Good game, I like seeing 2 of my armies on the table. Biggest advice for Cullen, Empire is synergy, no unit is going to shine without the others, that's what this list was. Anchor with greatswords, but keep all the key units like halbadiers nearby for support. Toss some ranged and the Pistoliers on the flanks as bait and picking off a few wounds. Bad luck also played in hard. Well done.
Just so we can learn, hurricanum fled directly away from the unit it lost combat to which would have meant the pursuers who have to follow directly would not have hit the greatswords. p.63 under move fleeing units and p.64 under move pursuers. Great game though a bit one sided.
I know this was recorded before the update, but I believe Matthias updated the rules via discord so that ultimate power (the extra rolls from 6s) only occurs on the initial roll, so you can't chain them anymore.
So my logic here is I hate not having priest support for my gswords so I figured this would be a good use of the hericanum new "rerolling ones" aura (no longer +1 to hit) which can be a redundant buff with a priests hatred. You did mention that the stank could be swapped with a hell blaster so I took that liberty and then some 😅 That is fair though that life magic choice makes more sense with the tank
@@cullenp4990 hey! I definitely did! Not sad about it at all. It was fun to see my idea out to the test. Just said it had to first be tested against a minobus. Lol
The Celestial Hurricanum seems really bad now. 130 points for re-roll 1s, one extra magic die and a crappy bound spell. Nah. Empire list overall seemed pretty bad, especially the two units of 10 Halberdiers, although I realise these games are for fun rather than being super competitive! Would like to see Cullen add to the Empire army with some cool units like Sisters of Sigmar, Flagellants, a War Wagon, Imperial Ogres, and maybe try out some different named lords. Haven't seen anything new for this army in a while.
I feel like reroll ones isn’t nearly as useful due to the Warrior Priest offering hatred, the Hurricanum synergized better when it gave out a +1 to hit
My thoughts are the same on the hericanum and this was really a test to see if it is worth the points if you didn't bring a priest because for sure with a priest, it's for sure not worth. As for the army, I do plan on stopping back at Empire painting once my dwarfs are done. My apologies I don't paint fast, I try to get the best results I can for camera
@@cullenp4990 no probs dude I just noticed Empire now have some really cool options when I was reading the WAP army book today! Thanks for the batrep 🙂
@@tyrannosaurus696 For real! 8th always had me down as it felt like if you didn't paint 40 what was the point and now that it's isn't that way it feel soo much more freeing
Hio guys! Greetings from germany. Love your show, keep up the good work^-^ I started watching, because its nice to see a BR from you not being 3hours long xP now, at minute 40 I know why.. this is called bad luck I guess 🤣 shame for the empire. I'm building up my highelves army again because of your channel! Next will be chaos dwarfs! Maybe a BR soon for me to know what I'm doing?:D Cheers Nice
I don't know if it would have affected the game, because of rallying etc, but the Ghorgon wouldn't have had swiftstride because of Bloodgreed, so the wizard would have gotten away
The Pegasus Captain seems like a liability. He doesn't do enough. With the Pistoliers he just isn't necessarily. If Cullen picks up a second unit of Pistoliers there isn't a reason to bring him.
Wonderful batrep as always! Just a question, in 20:25 gorgon charges with swiftstride to those poor halberdies... is it right? I cannot see that rule in its WAP book? Any help?
Love to see the minotaur bus with doom bull in action. That Empire list is losing 7-8x out of 10 especially when spread out so much. Did Cullen only kill a chariot? Oof what a paddling. Thanks for the upload and love the shorter edited format.
Standard of Discipline says that the unit can't use the Inspiring Presence special rule, so by my understanding a general in a unit with Standard of Discipline couldn't use his Inspiring Presence to give his leadership to other units. He loses the rule entirely so long as he's in that unit.
@@mrgabest The magic item, is word for word a copy from 8th edition, the Inspiring presence rule is word for word copy and paste (until we get unit strength...) So without an official errata it works as i played it
GW's ruling was bad in 8th and inapplicable in WAP. If your argument derives from GW rather than a reading of the text then it is not an argument at all.
What was the intention behind the list? Are the multiple small units for taking maximum advantage of state troop rules? Unfortunately that didn't come into play once this game.
@@luketrim7202 that, plus using pistoliers to steer stuff away from the guns. I think I originally had a stank instead of the hellblaster and arcanum to take better advantage of the life wizard. The MSU units were intended to block charges into the big guns and run things off the board if the died. As for magic, the ruby ring was there to bait out dispel dice as a first cast and get some extra DPS.
Think the list is pretty sweet but deployment lopsided imo, plus initial shooting was dire! Personally, I would just hide the lvl 4 behind the Gswords, he can avoid combat much easier and stay around Gen LD, then run into missile units as and when. The hurricanum and Sigismund banner (with hold the line) seems like a waste (imo), I'd add 5 halberdiers to each unit, bsb and/or warrior-priest to the Gswords. Bolster leadership amongst your little units and give some hatred.
Oh try deploying like a Roman maniple formation rather than a line, terrain permitting. It becomes harder for Steve to charge alternative units should you flee but should hold, the units flanks can counter charge/fire whilst increasing the difficulty of Steve to occupy them (creating longer charge distances).
Think it's good. Janky though. He reforms once, then goes straight forward, through the gap, and clips the pegasus. All he needs to do is clip it with the corner, then he closes the gap and slides back to maximize.
@@CaptainMcNoob Maybe, just looked like it wouldn't even clip the pegasis without a second wheel though, then again wouldn't be the first time the camera angles were deceiving.
I like the battle report it makes me nostalgic for when I used to play Warhammer Fantasy. However when GW killed fantasy I went to King's of War. I feel like a sudden surge of old hammer stuff being put out suddenly by "influencers" is just a attempt to ramp people up and get them to jump on board when GW drops their new old world warhammer edition. Which is a train I won't be riding.
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One day Cullen will learn to roll better and Steve won’t bring a throne of lies.
Algorithmo: an early lesser deity manifestation of the Machine God.
Toasters are hard to come by in WHF
@@philiphealy6415 A machine that leaves blessed bread blackened and charred? Heresy!
I love that you guys are keeping Fantasy going, any rule changes in WAP you would like to see for either of these factions?
30 minutes in and this is like watching a trailer for a TW Beastmen expansion.
Good game, I like seeing 2 of my armies on the table. Biggest advice for Cullen, Empire is synergy, no unit is going to shine without the others, that's what this list was. Anchor with greatswords, but keep all the key units like halbadiers nearby for support. Toss some ranged and the Pistoliers on the flanks as bait and picking off a few wounds. Bad luck also played in hard.
Well done.
The upside down barrels on the Helblaster always make my eye twitch.
Keep up the fantasy batreps!
It's modeled in action! It's spinning after firing 😅😅
@@cullenp4990 hmmm, how "convenient"
Loving all the beastmen battle reports!!
Love that Beastmen are strong in this edition - it‘s about time we got a decent book! I worry that they may have gone too far though.
Minotaurs with toughness 8. Nooo are you sure?
Chariots do have currently - 1 movement, not only barding.
Seems it will be clearer in the next update
For the algorithm: I've always wanted to do a beastmen army themed from the hell cows of the Diablo series
Moo moo moo, moo, moo moo moo, moo...
Thank you guys for keeping WH Fantasy alive.
Thanks gentlemen, what I wouldn't give to have a group of gaming friends like you guys.
You remembered to Vanguard before the role off!! 😲
Too bad Steve didn't role a single animosity test for the whole game!
Sad day for the mighty Empire
I love seeing the fantasy content. I over all prefer the fantasy's system over Sigmar so love seeing it kept alive.
Just so we can learn, hurricanum fled directly away from the unit it lost combat to which would have meant the pursuers who have to follow directly would not have hit the greatswords. p.63 under move fleeing units and p.64 under move pursuers. Great game though a bit one sided.
Engagement for the engagement god. Comments for the common throne of TH-cam!
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I know this was recorded before the update, but I believe Matthias updated the rules via discord so that ultimate power (the extra rolls from 6s) only occurs on the initial roll, so you can't chain them anymore.
nope. thats not in upcoming changes. there was a discusssion on whether or not to change it but it appears that change didnt make the cut.
@@spencergalland5754 sure about that? It's in the upcoming changes channel
Hugh Mann vs Moo Cow, fight of the century!
This smells like it's gonna be a Krumping
MAGNETS! or adapt warhammer to use multibases.
Individual casualty removal creates so many chores.
I thought I had a stank in the list? That was supposed to have synergy with the lore of life. Still excited to see how it performs.
So my logic here is I hate not having priest support for my gswords so I figured this would be a good use of the hericanum new "rerolling ones" aura (no longer +1 to hit) which can be a redundant buff with a priests hatred. You did mention that the stank could be swapped with a hell blaster so I took that liberty and then some 😅 That is fair though that life magic choice makes more sense with the tank
What are these 10 man strong units with banners for? No intention to be offensive, just new to the contemporary warhammer. :)
@@ondrejnadvornik495 probably counter charges as well as giving more fortitude in blood and glory!
@@ondrejnadvornik495 what the other guy said and to cover for light cav diving the war machines.
@@cullenp4990 hey! I definitely did! Not sad about it at all. It was fun to see my idea out to the test. Just said it had to first be tested against a minobus. Lol
yet to see a game with empire on the winning side. Got smushed as onesided as it gets. Again.
I was just searching for a video to watch and my discord pinged, good timing!
The Celestial Hurricanum seems really bad now. 130 points for re-roll 1s, one extra magic die and a crappy bound spell. Nah. Empire list overall seemed pretty bad, especially the two units of 10 Halberdiers, although I realise these games are for fun rather than being super competitive!
Would like to see Cullen add to the Empire army with some cool units like Sisters of Sigmar, Flagellants, a War Wagon, Imperial Ogres, and maybe try out some different named lords. Haven't seen anything new for this army in a while.
I feel like reroll ones isn’t nearly as useful due to the Warrior Priest offering hatred, the Hurricanum synergized better when it gave out a +1 to hit
My thoughts are the same on the hericanum and this was really a test to see if it is worth the points if you didn't bring a priest because for sure with a priest, it's for sure not worth.
As for the army, I do plan on stopping back at Empire painting once my dwarfs are done. My apologies I don't paint fast, I try to get the best results I can for camera
@@cullenp4990 no probs dude I just noticed Empire now have some really cool options when I was reading the WAP army book today! Thanks for the batrep 🙂
@@tyrannosaurus696 For real! 8th always had me down as it felt like if you didn't paint 40 what was the point and now that it's isn't that way it feel soo much more freeing
Hio guys! Greetings from germany.
Love your show, keep up the good work^-^
I started watching, because its nice to see a BR from you not being 3hours long xP now, at minute 40 I know why.. this is called bad luck I guess 🤣 shame for the empire.
I'm building up my highelves army again because of your channel! Next will be chaos dwarfs! Maybe a BR soon for me to know what I'm doing?:D
Cheers
Nice
only the live batreps are 3+ hours long. these hand held are only about an hour long.
I first read "Respec my Army!" xD
All praise the chaos god of algorithms!
Hail Algorithmo! May his RNG shine a light in your favour 🤣 love the batrep, can't wait to see tomb kings video blog thing! :)
I don't know if it would have affected the game, because of rallying etc, but the Ghorgon wouldn't have had swiftstride because of Bloodgreed, so the wizard would have gotten away
I love Steve's shirt
I see WAP i press like.
Hope we can get some HH content in the future.
Great battle as always!
The Pegasus Captain seems like a liability. He doesn't do enough. With the Pistoliers he just isn't necessarily. If Cullen picks up a second unit of Pistoliers there isn't a reason to bring him.
Yeah, he does nothing and dies
Wonderful batrep as always! Just a question, in 20:25 gorgon charges with swiftstride to those poor halberdies... is it right? I cannot see that rule in its WAP book? Any help?
If gor are beastmen, why arnt kroxigors? 🐊
Can’t wait for the flame cannon to roast the beast men
Holy Cow your Goat Shirt is amazing😂😂😂
did someone recreate the old army books?
Love to see the minotaur bus with doom bull in action. That Empire list is losing 7-8x out of 10 especially when spread out so much. Did Cullen only kill a chariot? Oof what a paddling. Thanks for the upload and love the shorter edited format.
Banner of discipline dont make your general presence +1 LD, that was discussed about at discord channel time ago.
Is this real? I have always believed it should not confer that to IP so this change would make me happy
if its not in the rule book or an faq, it isnt official.
Standard of Discipline says that the unit can't use the Inspiring Presence special rule, so by my understanding a general in a unit with Standard of Discipline couldn't use his Inspiring Presence to give his leadership to other units. He loses the rule entirely so long as he's in that unit.
@@mrgabest The magic item, is word for word a copy from 8th edition, the Inspiring presence rule is word for word copy and paste (until we get unit strength...)
So without an official errata it works as i played it
GW's ruling was bad in 8th and inapplicable in WAP. If your argument derives from GW rather than a reading of the text then it is not an argument at all.
Steve, what magic item on the doom bull are you using to gain +1 attack per model in base contact?
Why Cullen took those 2 charges with the xbows? there was little to gain and a lot to lose, that lvl4 hurt.
Fly you fools!!!
With the dice I was rolling, I'd rather see my boys die in combat then to a double 1's flee 😂
Praise algorithmo
I praise algorithmo
Great game!
Fences will get Steve.
Praise Al-Gorithmo.
All praise Algorithmo :)
Praise algarithmo
praise algoritmo!!
Ok, i need that goat t-shirt, where did you get it?
link in the description
Brutal game.
Definitely didn’t work out superbly. I’ll workshop it a bit more. Lol
What was the intention behind the list? Are the multiple small units for taking maximum advantage of state troop rules? Unfortunately that didn't come into play once this game.
@@luketrim7202 that, plus using pistoliers to steer stuff away from the guns. I think I originally had a stank instead of the hellblaster and arcanum to take better advantage of the life wizard. The MSU units were intended to block charges into the big guns and run things off the board if the died. As for magic, the ruby ring was there to bait out dispel dice as a first cast and get some extra DPS.
Steve wins! That’s the second time I see this happen!
I'm not sure the Beatmen had their minimal 500 points of core units. ^^'
I believe the Doombull makes Minos core.
@@pforson You're right ! Thanks
Think the list is pretty sweet but deployment lopsided imo, plus initial shooting was dire! Personally, I would just hide the lvl 4 behind the Gswords, he can avoid combat much easier and stay around Gen LD, then run into missile units as and when.
The hurricanum and Sigismund banner (with hold the line) seems like a waste (imo), I'd add 5 halberdiers to each unit, bsb and/or warrior-priest to the Gswords. Bolster leadership amongst your little units and give some hatred.
Oh try deploying like a Roman maniple formation rather than a line, terrain permitting. It becomes harder for Steve to charge alternative units should you flee but should hold, the units flanks can counter charge/fire whilst increasing the difficulty of Steve to occupy them (creating longer charge distances).
Beastmen the new elves?
Great to see a gun line heavy army get crunched once in a while.
Cullen fix your dice that hurt to watch the rolls man
commenting for the algorithm!
Wait why did you call it?! Cullen could've come back ;D
Nice
Ah the moo of boredome. Again.
Was it just me or would that charge into the peg knight need to wheel twice? Looked really janky and then glossed over how he got in.
Think it's good. Janky though. He reforms once, then goes straight forward, through the gap, and clips the pegasus. All he needs to do is clip it with the corner, then he closes the gap and slides back to maximize.
@@CaptainMcNoob Maybe, just looked like it wouldn't even clip the pegasis without a second wheel though, then again wouldn't be the first time the camera angles were deceiving.
Did Steve forget to shoot his Cygor turn 1? Maybe it didn't have range or something, but I swear I didn't see it fire??
He literally said it in the video, it can't march and shoot and he needed his Cygor to move
@@vilemnovak2839 Ahh, cool. Musta missed that
For Algorithmo!
Petition for Jonathan Kelly never to write lists again:
Praise AL Gore rythm!
Mooooo
I like the battle report it makes me nostalgic for when I used to play Warhammer Fantasy. However when GW killed fantasy I went to King's of War. I feel like a sudden surge of old hammer stuff being put out suddenly by "influencers" is just a attempt to ramp people up and get them to jump on board when GW drops their new old world warhammer edition. Which is a train I won't be riding.
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boyz
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Thanks gentlemen, what I wouldn't give to have a group of gaming friends like you guys.
saaaaame. i have like 1 friend around who plays