Even if he literally does nothing else, Joe Kerry fucking owned Gator playing an extremely damaged man, mostly the product of his upbringing, also that last line where he asks Dot if she really saw his mother...wow, "who the hells cutting onions" Currently my favourite Joe Kerry role.
What are you talking about? He had no redemption arc at all. He was just brutalised by a monster and then rejected by his father and got some comfort hug by Nadine. He didn't learn anything, nor would blinding a person be a rational lesson. He didn't get a chance to meet Wit again so they could work things out, nor did he get a chance to help anyone and we don't even know what happened to him after the ambulance.
@@Matt..S Did I ever say he deserved redemption? No. All I said was it took him to literally be blind in order to see the truth about the monster his father is, as you stated in your own comment.
@@damontoledo8253 He knew is father is a monster. And like most abused boys he just tried to outdo him to come home with a trophy, which he continued to fail to get. The only truth he learned was that his dad named him Gator out of spite for being a "weak lizard" at birth. But he knew that instantly when Nadine told him. He never questioned it because it was self explanatory with the broken naming tradition and his father constantly berating him and putting other guys in charge over his own son during missions. The audience knew that he knew the moment he left the property in pure rage. The writers just didn't know how to end the season, which was actually a decent one after four total disasters, but ruined it with the last episode
@@Matt..S Bro, he took accountability, accepting his impending prison sentence with no resistance or protest. He literally apologized. Something that Gator wouldn't do episodes 1-8.
I completely figured he just meant more of the youthful prostitutes (people his age, rather than however of Munch is) rather than you know what..... either way, inappropriate, but I figured he'd have access to that thing being an office. You know what they say... like father like son.
@@ColombianThunder He meant it, but his dad is why. Predation like his dads runs in families in those types of religious asshole abusive father situations so of course he would offer it. He learned from his dad.
Gator Tillman was basically an amalgamation of every woke blue-haired radical feminist's definition of a straight white male. He was so cartoonishly over-the-top with all the usual tropes of sexism, racism, inferiority complex, compensating for his "shortcomings" with trucks and guns, room full of posters blasting metal music, chanting in the mirror about how much of a winner he is, etc. They took all the Regressive-Left narratives, stuck them in a blender, then poured the entire glass into this joke of a character.
Yup Gator made his own bed utterly disrespectful to everybody given several chances to learn and when that failed was offered two chances at salvation (Pay off Munch) and one at redemption (chance to free Dot) and tossed them aside. Gator had some bad breaks but the gods have been more than generous with opportunities he wasted.
To be fair about the freeing Dot part.. I mean she started saying stuff like "she wanted to take you with her," and "she's coming back for you!" About his DEAD MOM
@@gunnarjames4248 Oh yeah but I don't think he KNEW she was dead suspected yeah but didn't actually know. She said things about his father that were hard to listen to but it was true and he was lying to himself. If he freed her it might have saved him from Ole Munch and saved Danish changing the course of events...
Meh. The supernatural angle in every Fargo season seems shoehorned in for no reason at all. The raining fish and UFOs and bathtub ghosts and 500-year-old sin-eaters and the god guy wondering around in Season 3 talking to the main characters, it all just comes off as corny and not really adding anything of value to any storylines. Ole could've played the usual walking death machine role that we see in every season of Fargo, we didn't need him to be some magical being from the 1500s.
Disagree. It adds a sense of intrigue and a mysterious quality to the Fargo world. It adds a light layer of something that makes us pick deeper at the character. A little sprinkling of weird does a plot some good.
@@magesalmanac6424 exactly my sentiment!!! Munch never openly admitted he was from the 15th century, it’s implied though. It’s not in your face like the season 2 UFO scene. What I love about Ole is he terrifies Roy, who is basically seen as unshakable.
After hearing Gator break down and cry for his dad, then promptly get told he's worth nothing... I kind of hope he gets out. I hope he gets to have a life for himself. Whether he was a good person as an adult or not... he had his life ripped away from him as a child and never grew up. I just hope they don't kill him off ... it's really easy to do those sacrificial character development arcs, but it is deeply moving to let them live and face the consequences of their actions.
There are, at this point, two possible ending for Gator: he will die, maybe shot by a stray bullet, or he will survive, after understanding that his father never truly cared about him (and that he killed His mother Linda, too), and that Dot has been right about everything.
@@kamithecompiler857 True, I hope the latter works out. I want him to see things the way they always have been, literally blinded rather than figuratively.
What I see in Gator is an insolent asshole but it's due to circumstances he was put in because of Roy. He was a victim indeed. I legit didn't like him at all at first but when things started to uncover as to how abusive Roy was with him too, I knew it effed his mind up. I never saw a chance for his redemption for what he did but tbh it's refreshing to see that he did one right thing and that simply changed everything for everyone - got Roy arrested. Now, Gator himself is going to get in prison and serve his jail time, so there's a chance for him to reflect more about his misdeeds. I see Gator as a grey character who would have turned out to be a good boy if he belonged to a right family. Dot and Gator hugging each other was so sweet to watch. Joe just did a terrific job playing Gator's character.
He was not an animal. He was human, and as any human he is respinsible for his decisions. He got what he deserved, altho he was a tragic figue, so to speak.
Gator is the unfortunate result of his toxic circumstances. He’s a terrible person for sure, but he’s also a victim who hasn’t fully realized the extent of his situation, living in a world shaped solely by his abusive father’s influence .I hope what Roy did to him in this episode can snap him out of it.
He is innocent and didn't deserve this. But that being said he took the initiative to track Ole car then went to snipe him and even killed the lady. What's not clear is the relationship between the old lady and Ole.
@@jonfreeman9682I think the lady was just someone that was nice to him, and after he saw how she was treated by her son he became even more sympathetic to her. ole’s all about what’s fair and just, so gator killing her had to be fixed
@@claytonsing You could be right but it's just so weird. Ole randomly shows up in the bathtub spouting philosophy and the old lady says who are you and why are you here in my bathroom. So he just randomly decides to live there then kills her son and she's okay with that? Ole is like Anton in no country for old Men with the bowl haircut and spouting the same philosophy.
@@baxatakbaxatak2014 He deserves an Emmy nomination. Episode 8 where he just sits there smokes a cigar then says tell me if you're so smart then why are you so dead is epic acting with only a few words. He was also good in Maggie Moore, Corner Office and Fletch Confess but Fargo is his best work. No comparison.
@@jonfreeman9682 That video he made to the other “Patriots”. Just a darkly funny Deep State message. He’s been great, but for whatever reason, his films haven’t done as well, and he did more commercials than TV shows until The Morning Show and Fargo. He didn’t fall off a cliff, but he kind of took a back seat.
"Announce yourselves!" It reminds me of Banquo and Macbeth meeting the witches (this scene is similar to Joel Cohen's version of Macbeth). Also, Munch gives the feeling of being something more ancient, even pagan. So much exclusion, so many wrongs he (or his ancestors) had to endure, that he becomes a brutal killer, albeit with his own code of honor.
I felt bad for Gator for how his dad treated him but he deserved what he got from Munch. I wanted it to happen a lot sooner tbh. Munch let him get away with a lot and he just kept pushing.
Munch acts like the almighty arbiter of biblical justice when it comes to Gator but he also killed 3 innocent people so when is he getting his eyes cut out?
It’s pretty clear he’s not a good person either. So many villains live by their own special “code” which may sound like they have honor at first, but really it’s just standards they apply only for themselves. He’s not good or honorable by our standards.
I have a cousin who, as a child, witnessed first hand the kind of physical abuse that went on with this son from his father. Maybe not as frequently, but certainly enough… The mother was a druggie, too. No help from her. Now, she got a son and husband, who both adore her, my mom and sis and me behind her, two dogs… And now, a sorry-ass father with a wrecked liver, who she comes to give food coupons to and change his diaper. To this day, I sincerely believe she got out the way she did, after doing what probably (if I’d been her) seemed like the most impossible thing anyone raised in an environment like that can do. And that’s trusting someone else. To those who are watching this video &/or reading this comment and who’ve gone through anything remotely close to what my cousin and that dude had- YOU ARE NOT ALONE! There IS someone out there who will love and respect you and show you what it really means to have a family! Don’t give up! And don’t become the very monster your parent(s) was/were. Only then, do they really win.
Gator is the only victim of the shiw who gets no sympathy and honestly get fucked up the most. It was a total mistake with the old lady, she caught him by surprise, it was dark snd icy and sadly old people are fragile, he is s good person who has tried to be something he's not his whole life just to impress his daddy and make him happy so he doesn't get hurt like he saw his mother and probably saw dot getting beat. His dad doesn't love him and it hurt to see gator ( a victim of abuse) have to realise this. He's never been loved and hasn't even really grown up, he's still kinda a confused and lost child in a way. His dad messed him up so much and honestly I want him to have a happy ending
I agree w. Gator being a victim of abuse, however he is an adult (just a few years younger than Dot), witnessed the monster his father is, yet still chose to step into his father's (a narcissist/ abuser) footsteps - by enabling Roy's behaviour, like he is his father's extension. Gator had a choice to live off, away from the ranch and cut off ties w. His dad but he didn't. His initial reaction was not "accidentally" killing the old woman. It was greed.
@@MrsReign I'm glad you see he's a victim of abuse. He did try to please his father by doing as his father did. It's a way to survive for some people, it comes from an internal place of fear and thought he has done wrong, I really hope he can get some redemption now in the final episode
A person who has evil done to them and chooses to visit the same evil upon others is evil. Even if he were to try and redeem himself in the final episode, how much do you really think he could do without his eyesight? He had few skills before and those have now become useless. He's also WILLINGLY also committed multiple crimes on behalf of Roy and the FBI are at his Ranch. The only way he isn't serving time by the end of this is if he's dead.
I think Joe just proved he's the one that is 100% breaking the Stranger Things curse when the final season drops.
Even if he literally does nothing else, Joe Kerry fucking owned Gator playing an extremely damaged man, mostly the product of his upbringing, also that last line where he asks Dot if she really saw his mother...wow, "who the hells cutting onions" Currently my favourite Joe Kerry role.
Legit, I completely forgot any Stranger Things association by the end of the season. I only saw Gator,
What is the curse
No he's not it's not a one person problem
Sam Spruell is fucking mesmerizing in this role.
"As if to steal... is a man's lineage."
reminded me of Ebal Violante from Season 4
"And I realize, to be an American... is to pretend."
It took Gator to literally be blind in order for him to see the truth.
LITERALLY WHAT I WAS SAYING!!! 🙌🙌
What are you talking about? He had no redemption arc at all. He was just brutalised by a monster and then rejected by his father and got some comfort hug by Nadine. He didn't learn anything, nor would blinding a person be a rational lesson. He didn't get a chance to meet Wit again so they could work things out, nor did he get a chance to help anyone and we don't even know what happened to him after the ambulance.
@@Matt..S
Did I ever say he deserved redemption? No.
All I said was it took him to literally be blind in order to see the truth about the monster his father is, as you stated in your own comment.
@@damontoledo8253 He knew is father is a monster. And like most abused boys he just tried to outdo him to come home with a trophy, which he continued to fail to get.
The only truth he learned was that his dad named him Gator out of spite for being a "weak lizard" at birth. But he knew that instantly when Nadine told him. He never questioned it because it was self explanatory with the broken naming tradition and his father constantly berating him and putting other guys in charge over his own son during missions.
The audience knew that he knew the moment he left the property in pure rage.
The writers just didn't know how to end the season, which was actually a decent one after four total disasters, but ruined it with the last episode
@@Matt..S Bro, he took accountability, accepting his impending prison sentence with no resistance or protest. He literally apologized. Something that Gator wouldn't do episodes 1-8.
I love how Munch speaks in proverbs.
He's what? The 7th character to do this
Gator screaming Daddy has been placed in my brain too hard
It's not that bad you baby boy
Gator became irredeemable when he started offering “young girls” for his freedom. Props to Keery though he totally crushed this role.
I completely figured he just meant more of the youthful prostitutes (people his age, rather than however of Munch is) rather than you know what..... either way, inappropriate, but I figured he'd have access to that thing being an office. You know what they say... like father like son.
I don't think he actually meant it. He was just saying anything to get himself out of the situation
@@ColombianThunder Yeah that’s fair,
@@ColombianThunder He meant it, but his dad is why. Predation like his dads runs in families in those types of religious asshole abusive father situations so of course he would offer it. He learned from his dad.
Gator Tillman was basically an amalgamation of every woke blue-haired radical feminist's definition of a straight white male. He was so cartoonishly over-the-top with all the usual tropes of sexism, racism, inferiority complex, compensating for his "shortcomings" with trucks and guns, room full of posters blasting metal music, chanting in the mirror about how much of a winner he is, etc. They took all the Regressive-Left narratives, stuck them in a blender, then poured the entire glass into this joke of a character.
Yup Gator made his own bed utterly disrespectful to everybody given several chances to learn and when that failed was offered two chances at salvation (Pay off Munch) and one at redemption (chance to free Dot) and tossed them aside. Gator had some bad breaks but the gods have been more than generous with opportunities he wasted.
To be fair about the freeing Dot part.. I mean she started saying stuff like "she wanted to take you with her," and "she's coming back for you!" About his DEAD MOM
@@gunnarjames4248 Oh yeah but I don't think he KNEW she was dead suspected yeah but didn't actually know. She said things about his father that were hard to listen to but it was true and he was lying to himself. If he freed her it might have saved him from Ole Munch and saved Danish changing the course of events...
He should have just left munch alone to begin with he was in way over his head with him
Gator had to be blinded to see.
Ole is a force of nature.
And his backstory from like 1500s is crazy
Meh. The supernatural angle in every Fargo season seems shoehorned in for no reason at all. The raining fish and UFOs and bathtub ghosts and 500-year-old sin-eaters and the god guy wondering around in Season 3 talking to the main characters, it all just comes off as corny and not really adding anything of value to any storylines. Ole could've played the usual walking death machine role that we see in every season of Fargo, we didn't need him to be some magical being from the 1500s.
@@JakeKoenig fair point. Lorne was supposed to be the devil in season 1 which was unnecessary.
Disagree. It adds a sense of intrigue and a mysterious quality to the Fargo world. It adds a light layer of something that makes us pick deeper at the character. A little sprinkling of weird does a plot some good.
@@magesalmanac6424 exactly my sentiment!!! Munch never openly admitted he was from the 15th century, it’s implied though. It’s not in your face like the season 2 UFO scene. What I love about Ole is he terrifies Roy, who is basically seen as unshakable.
“What’s goin’ on with his eyes?”
“Forfeit.”
Jfc, Munch was diabolical this season lmfao
After hearing Gator break down and cry for his dad, then promptly get told he's worth nothing... I kind of hope he gets out. I hope he gets to have a life for himself. Whether he was a good person as an adult or not... he had his life ripped away from him as a child and never grew up. I just hope they don't kill him off ... it's really easy to do those sacrificial character development arcs, but it is deeply moving to let them live and face the consequences of their actions.
There are, at this point, two possible ending for Gator: he will die, maybe shot by a stray bullet, or he will survive, after understanding that his father never truly cared about him (and that he killed His mother Linda, too), and that Dot has been right about everything.
@@kamithecompiler857 True, I hope the latter works out. I want him to see things the way they always have been, literally blinded rather than figuratively.
Hopefully he's okay and will turn good. Ole spared him knowing he's not all bad but just acts bad.
@@kamithecompiler857You were right. Cheers
@@jonfreeman9682ole isn't really a good moral center. He's arguably worse than Gator. How many innocent people did Munch gun down?
I know gator wasn’t good by any means but seeing how he was brought up it’s clear he didn’t have a shot. This is sad..
@@Darius-_ lol okay, good dialogue.
He didn't deserve that. He's just an innocent kid. Hopefully he's okay still and will turn good.
@@jonfreeman9682he murdered an old lady…
@@jonfreeman9682he’s 27, he’s not an innocent kid.
@@jonfreeman9682 He killed a lady.
What I see in Gator is an insolent asshole but it's due to circumstances he was put in because of Roy. He was a victim indeed. I legit didn't like him at all at first but when things started to uncover as to how abusive Roy was with him too, I knew it effed his mind up. I never saw a chance for his redemption for what he did but tbh it's refreshing to see that he did one right thing and that simply changed everything for everyone - got Roy arrested. Now, Gator himself is going to get in prison and serve his jail time, so there's a chance for him to reflect more about his misdeeds. I see Gator as a grey character who would have turned out to be a good boy if he belonged to a right family.
Dot and Gator hugging each other was so sweet to watch. Joe just did a terrific job playing Gator's character.
He was not an animal. He was human, and as any human he is respinsible for his decisions. He got what he deserved, altho he was a tragic figue, so to speak.
Gator is the unfortunate result of his toxic circumstances. He’s a terrible person for sure, but he’s also a victim who hasn’t fully realized the extent of his situation, living in a world shaped solely by his abusive father’s influence .I hope what Roy did to him in this episode can snap him out of it.
He is innocent and didn't deserve this. But that being said he took the initiative to track Ole car then went to snipe him and even killed the lady. What's not clear is the relationship between the old lady and Ole.
I was under the impression she was his mother? But i may have remembered wrong @@jonfreeman9682
@@jonfreeman9682 He deserved it all. But he is a victim of his father too. But still, he did some unforgivable shit.
@@jonfreeman9682I think the lady was just someone that was nice to him, and after he saw how she was treated by her son he became even more sympathetic to her. ole’s all about what’s fair and just, so gator killing her had to be fixed
@@claytonsing You could be right but it's just so weird. Ole randomly shows up in the bathtub spouting philosophy and the old lady says who are you and why are you here in my bathroom. So he just randomly decides to live there then kills her son and she's okay with that? Ole is like Anton in no country for old Men with the bowl haircut and spouting the same philosophy.
Quiet Rabbit!
“Daddy, I’m scared.”
“I said shut up. If there ever was a point to you, it’s gone now.”
Wow. 😰
Joe Keery has been a complete 180 from Stranger Things. He’s outstanding in this.
Jon Hamm really nailed the part. He's playing against type from his mad man days and it works.
@@jonfreeman9682 Easily Hamm’s best work since Mad Men. His career waned just a bit since then. This will bring him roaring back to the front.
@@baxatakbaxatak2014 He deserves an Emmy nomination. Episode 8 where he just sits there smokes a cigar then says tell me if you're so smart then why are you so dead is epic acting with only a few words. He was also good in Maggie Moore, Corner Office and Fletch Confess but Fargo is his best work. No comparison.
@@jonfreeman9682 That video he made to the other “Patriots”. Just a darkly funny Deep State message. He’s been great, but for whatever reason, his films haven’t done as well, and he did more commercials than TV shows until The Morning Show and Fargo. He didn’t fall off a cliff, but he kind of took a back seat.
"Announce yourselves!"
It reminds me of Banquo and Macbeth meeting the witches (this scene is similar to Joel Cohen's version of Macbeth). Also, Munch gives the feeling of being something more ancient, even pagan. So much exclusion, so many wrongs he (or his ancestors) had to endure, that he becomes a brutal killer, albeit with his own code of honor.
This season is up there with Season 2.
Guy started a fight he wasn't ready for.
Still a hand, but now without function. Munch is so cool
OLE MUNCH we need his story in a SPINOFF
Gator deserves this but Roy deserves much worse.
I felt bad for Gator for how his dad treated him but he deserved what he got from Munch. I wanted it to happen a lot sooner tbh. Munch let him get away with a lot and he just kept pushing.
I feel bad for gator. He did all those killings for his abusive dad. Glad he didnt die
i'm feeling your breakdown...i caint stop rewinding these scenes, i'm not the only one...Please tell my wife...this is the best season thus far
Gator was taking hella Ls, LMFAO.
Munch acts like the almighty arbiter of biblical justice when it comes to Gator but he also killed 3 innocent people so when is he getting his eyes cut out?
The devil sows evil and he actively punishes wrongdoers.
It’s pretty clear he’s not a good person either. So many villains live by their own special “code” which may sound like they have honor at first, but really it’s just standards they apply only for themselves. He’s not good or honorable by our standards.
I have a cousin who, as a child, witnessed first hand the kind of physical abuse that went on with this son from his father. Maybe not as frequently, but certainly enough… The mother was a druggie, too. No help from her.
Now, she got a son and husband, who both adore her, my mom and sis and me behind her, two dogs… And now, a sorry-ass father with a wrecked liver, who she comes to give food coupons to and change his diaper.
To this day, I sincerely believe she got out the way she did, after doing what probably (if I’d been her) seemed like the most impossible thing anyone raised in an environment like that can do.
And that’s trusting someone else.
To those who are watching this video &/or reading this comment and who’ve gone through anything remotely close to what my cousin and that dude had- YOU ARE NOT ALONE!
There IS someone out there who will love and respect you and show you what it really means to have a family! Don’t give up!
And don’t become the very monster your parent(s) was/were. Only then, do they really win.
Is it just me, or does Roy strike me as a bit cold
Not just you. He has little concern for his son and the women he beats to a pulp.
Nah, he’s got that nice jacket!
@@tentardigrades968 good point
dudes an evil monster w random hoop nipple piercings lolol
@@tentardigrades968 Which he stole from Bane.
Gator gonna help dot kill Roy… but how? My guess, gator, sacrifices himself.
What? Really? Do TELL please 😂
I hope Gator doesn't die
Damn that knife stayed hot a long time
For some reason in this scene I get a lot of Bill the Butcher from Gangs of New York. I could watch a whole series on Munch’s long life.
Sad, fulfilling, haunting, so much at once. It's eerie. He had it coming, but his breakdown changes things a bit.
I feel so bad for Gator.
Munch's undying respect for that old woman is admirable
"The rabbit only knows it wants to live"
Happy Father’s Day to world class dad Roy Tillman!
I'm crying
Stranger things have happened!
Sorry but he earned it.
Ole is immortal
If Donald Trump was a bond villain ...Roy Tillman would be his cheif Henchmen .
Finally, The Clips Have Arrived!
A man has to have a code or he isn't a man.
I AM A WINNER 😤
LOL!!!!!🫣🫣🫣🫣🫣
👅Lynne-e-egde 👅
Did he cut out both eyes?
i think only one
Yes.
Gator is the only victim of the shiw who gets no sympathy and honestly get fucked up the most.
It was a total mistake with the old lady, she caught him by surprise, it was dark snd icy and sadly old people are fragile, he is s good person who has tried to be something he's not his whole life just to impress his daddy and make him happy so he doesn't get hurt like he saw his mother and probably saw dot getting beat.
His dad doesn't love him and it hurt to see gator ( a victim of abuse) have to realise this.
He's never been loved and hasn't even really grown up, he's still kinda a confused and lost child in a way.
His dad messed him up so much and honestly I want him to have a happy ending
I agree w. Gator being a victim of abuse, however he is an adult (just a few years younger than Dot), witnessed the monster his father is, yet still chose to step into his father's (a narcissist/ abuser) footsteps - by enabling Roy's behaviour, like he is his father's extension. Gator had a choice to live off, away from the ranch and cut off ties w. His dad but he didn't. His initial reaction was not "accidentally" killing the old woman. It was greed.
@@MrsReign I'm glad you see he's a victim of abuse. He did try to please his father by doing as his father did. It's a way to survive for some people, it comes from an internal place of fear and thought he has done wrong, I really hope he can get some redemption now in the final episode
@@Luci11.11 yes, you share some valid points. Can't wait to see how this all plays out and if he does a 180 on his "dad".
@@MrsReign I'm hoping for a Dot and Gator team up. Excited for the final episode
A person who has evil done to them and chooses to visit the same evil upon others is evil.
Even if he were to try and redeem himself in the final episode, how much do you really think he could do without his eyesight? He had few skills before and those have now become useless.
He's also WILLINGLY also committed multiple crimes on behalf of Roy and the FBI are at his Ranch. The only way he isn't serving time by the end of this is if he's dead.
Munch is definitely my favorite other than Mike or maybe The Indian both from s2