bro just one more archetype bro. i promise just a little more Reptile support and Snake Rain will be BROKEN bro. bro. just one more archetype. please just
I unironically think that Snake Rain is the main reason we’ll never get a good reptile archetype. A non-OPT foolish for 4 is insane on paper. Sorta like how Adamancipator was only really broken because of Block Dragon and as soon as that card was gone the deck fell off. Snake Rain is a similar ticking time bomb card that would either need a pre-hit or have Konami just make the format absolutely awful for a while because Snake Rain is nearly an archetypal Painful Choice
these cards work perfectly with ogdoadic, being a lvl 8 ritual with that ritual spell is a blessing for reptiles and not a disadvantage. also their first turn boards are basically unbreakable.
@@pvzbronygodgaming8476 Just summoned the Ogdoadic tokens with Daybreak and make the snake girl in Ragnaraika Link monster to turn off hand traps. That's it. That's all you need to do.
@@pvzbronygodgaming8476 Ogdoadics have insane gas, the only problem was reptiles not having good boss monsters. Ogdoadic players were making Zer'oll. These are good boss monsters!
this is easily the most functional a TCG exclusive deck has been out the gate in an incredibly long time, just due to its incredible direct synergy with Ogdo. clearly deliberately designed to work with that deck, and that fixes the classic "this deck just doesn't have enough cards yet" problem. not meta or anything, but definitely something you can take to locals
@ccjl9160 doesn't that link monster stop you from tributing monsters to ACTIVATE effects but not per se tribute as PART of the effect resolution? Like it would stop you from tributing a monster when activating the quick play spell, but all ritual spells that conduct ritual summons tribute as part of their effect resolution and not as a cost for their activation, since negating a ritual spell that had to tribute for cost would be a huge downside to playing the card
Yo Josh you should get together some Yugi-tubers for a TCG exclusive banlist format, imagine how fun the game could be if the power level were limited to: Mitsu, Mimighoul, BA, Ghoti, Ashened, Subterror etc. Back and forth games guaranteed!
The things people are already working out with Ryzeal and King of the Feral imps or Odgoadic are definitely proving this to be a solid foundation, but you're right. We're still waiting until wave 2 to se what these cards are truly made of.
@@rashanmcrae9166 probably typhon style xyz monster that can be summoned if your opponent controls a ritual and has a system down for reptiles in deck and field
Played against this deck recently on simulator. Considering all the Oggdodoiacs there are, there's a lot of stuff you can dump to get your plays started.
My only issue with having every negate be "discard to disallow" is that you risk giving your opponent more combo by trying to interact with them... Banishing face down to disallow would be better since so many decks use the grave now
Not entirely true. The cards that have effect in the GY usually cannot function by themselves, so it’s usually a 1-of, hence the chance of them seeing it is low. I think people having too much trauma from Orcust / Salad / Thunder / Drytron formats that they forgot the GY isn’t always the 2nd hand. Shifter is also a card so the chance of opp playing a GY-based deck is significantly lower as Maliss and Ryzeal can easily play Shifter if they want.
Well, it's the idea. The drawback can be any number of things. Like.. Choose between omni-negate or only 2 more Special Summons. Choose between omni-negate or banish 3 Extra Deck cards face-down. Choose between omni-negate or skip your next Battle Phase. I'm not a hater of straight up omni-negates, but I do think that not every omni needs to have the same power. New generic bosses, or archetypal cards that are super consistent to access should be weaker then the negate on older and more clunky archetypal bosses, or cards with tough restrictions.
If it turns out mediocre, that just means i can afford it easier. Scalpers will be coping hard on this one though. I suggest getting your copies as early as possible on release.
Hello Josh, Je suis un joueur reptile depuis Octobre de l'année passée. Après de nombreux tests. L'archétype fonctionne bien avec les autres reptiles: - Ogdoadique (mécaniques sacrifice, niveau 8,...). - Pluie de serpent - Reptiles ténèbres niveau 4 (lamia pour tuto les rituel 8, Lézard Ragnaraika, Coatl reptilia,...). - XYZ 4 King Imps (tuto anyway reptile monster).
The thing about this archetype is that Reptile are already a singular deck combining the best stuff from the Reptile pool, and this goes VERY well with those and the new 4K Reptile from the same set. Snake Rain will go crazy starting 2 to 4 archetypes at once. Also, as these are Ritual, they get to use much of the generic Ritual support we've seen over the years. It is yet to be seen just how good they will be with one wave, but Reptile Soup decks are sure to be something.
Also gotta note the ritual spells cannot be ashed as tributing from deck is not deterministic for cards to go to gy. It is the same ruling as destroying cards in deck
@@jackofaces107 Ritual summoning involves sending monsters from the field or gy as part of a card effect, which would mean you are sending a monster from deck to gy if you are allowed to tribute from deck.
@@chewdoom8415wrong, it is not sending to the gy, it is tributing which is something else entirely, it’s in the same realm as destroying a card. It’s not going to the GY due to a card effect, it’s going to the GY via a game mechanic as a result of tributing/destroying.
@@connormccarthy6741 Well how is that any different from branded fusion? The monarch card allows you use an opponent's monster for a tribute summon would still not work on a monster that is unaffected by a card effect or spell card. And you are still performing a tribute summon as a result of a spell card. And would those monster sent on the resolution of the ritual spell still be treated as being sent to the gy by a card effect? Nibiru tributes as part of a card effect. Or are you saying that trubuting as part of a ritual summone is a procedure for the summoning mechanic as oppose to Nibiru where it is part of the effect of the monster? You are saying that I am wrong, but that is why I asked what is the precedent for the ruling you are stating?
Great Purification is kind of insane on the first Ritual considering how it becomes a Raigeki during your opponent's turn and gives you follow-up. As weird as it is to say, this is a pretty strong Wave 1 as far as TCG Exclusive archetypes go. There aren't any 1-card combos (yet), but Great Purification is honestly an amazing set-up card that can give you a lot of plusses, there's decent interruption and grindgame potential and being able to nuke the opponent's field during their turn on-command will never not be strong. The iffy parts are that the recovery effects of the Rituals are really handtrappable thanks to them being DARKs that revive themselves and tutor a Mitsurugi card. So if your opponent has a common handtrap available to interrupt you, you lose so much momentum and can lose the game. That being said, if they do not? The grindgame potential can be pretty nuts since you basically get infinite follow-up. All I'll say is that it's fun... like, really fun. If they get actual 1-card starters, this could be a very frustrating Rogue Deck to play against between the sheer grindgame and the fact that they got a nuke that eats up your opponent's resources
@duongky3114 Hopefully. All I can say is that an omni-negate trap + Raigeki on command during your opponent's turn being accessible in-archetype have never not led to a topping Deck even if they don't become top of the metagame
Im getting alot of dual avatar vibes from these (not an insult i like that deck), japanese theming with 2 main deck guys, 1 offensive, 1 defensive with a boss monster counterpart each and a pretty strong spell for getting to said bosses.
I think they made this archetype with the current reptile card pool in mind. Ogdoadic spams lv 8 and 4 monsters on field. it's basically the sunavalon for reptiles but it never had anything good to go for. it's going to be part of a 60 card ragnaraika pile like how plants are but with a lot less varied interaction. you also missed that the strategy most likely wants to end on the 2nd ritual with the first one being made turn 1 and bring it back on the opponents turn to wipe and negate a card.
I'm a sucker for Ritual monsters and Ritual archetypes: If I see it, I want to play it. That's how Magikey turned out to be my favorite archetype, Libromancer turned out to be the best engine for the archetype, and Voiceless turned out to be my most successful DC and WCS competitor - whilst we don't have Fiendsmith and/or Primite on Master Duel, then Magikey will be my main deck again.
Futsu no mitama no mitsurugi also summons back a flood gate if youre playing slicer and its in grave. one of the main issues with slicer was it was too easy to remove but now we can summon back with lily, strike, Ogdoadbyss, and now this card on the opp turn
They're kinda like Maliss: Needs 2 card combos for a lot of hands, if they full combo they win the game with their infinite follow up moreso than their having an impenetrable board. I think the biggest issue the deck has is a lack of extenders that access their bosses. With a lot of hands, if Saji gets handtrapped, you don't get to access the engine. But if Saji resolves, you get full combo. Fiendsmith is a good pairing with it just because it gives you some kind of endboard even if you get stopped. Ogdoadic makes your engine go crazier, but doesn't really help deal with hand traps. Azamina helps stop HTs, and Deception tributes which can be useful, but the two engines don't really lead into each other. It's kinda like how Ryzeal has a clear chokepoint, but Ryzeal is full of one card combos. Mitsurugi needs to run a ton of engine just to consistently hit their choke point. The endboard is already pretty cracked, though. The rituals are extremely annoying to play through, and even once you get past the board wipe and omni-negate, the mitsurugi player probably has a full hand and full board to crack back if you can't kill them.
People who say the 3200 Mitsurugi is mid are kinda missing point of it even though it has so many useful effects. It's omni negate effect is good, but if your opponent has no cards in their hand they don't have the option to cancel it's negate effect. That makes the effect go from good to great because then it becomes a regular omni negate with no cost and it's a quick effect by the way.
@@Renegade77784 Also it makes handtraps into 2 for 1s. If your opponent activates 1 hand trap, theyre starting their turn with 4 cards. Then they activate anything and now they have 2 cards in hand. And that's just the BONUS effect. The main effects are it's a quick play raigeki (with the other ritual monster) and its an extender.
On their favor I have to say that every card of this first wave is good and worth playing, even if it at 1, and they also have already good synergy with already existing archetypes and support.
You can summon Saji, search Ritual Spell, then ritual by tributing Saji and Kasunagi from the hand (or potentially deck), you get a Ritual Monster and +2. Plus 3 since you get Saji back and can use him again. I have no clue about the current Yu-Gi-Oh meta so I don't know how good this is. One card combo too. I'm sure you can do a lot more than this.
I tested quite a bit with these and they can do some fun stuff! They cant challenge ryzeal or maliss but they are a lot of fun to play and synergize really well with generic reptile stuff like ogdo or raika
I'm so glad my ogdos are finally playable without throwing them into some combo soup or making the cringe alien bagooska. Still waiting for some actual xyz ogdoadic boss monsters tho
Ogdo-Mitsurugi still makes and passes on Slicer. Sorry to break your heart. Granted it’s with the new Rituals now, but it’s not anything to brag about.
@torakandwolf6786 Not necessarily, there are lot's of boards that people are experimenting with. A-Bao for Herald, Dweller, I:P, Colossus etc Slicer seems more of a card to pivot to when you reptile lock via Neph than a focused upon end board piece.
The ritual spell is crazy, so the archetype can be good. I will play them because I love reptiles and Ritual is my favourite summoning mechanic. They can't use Ritual staples, but has access to Reptile ones (Snake Rain, Sword Night Serpent) and Ogdo package (Keurse, Nauya, Nephilabyss, Water Lily and Daybreak, I play only them) T2 potential in my opinion with an average good 2nd wave, there isn't one bad card in this 1st wave
Mitsuguri honestly seems like a good 5 card engine in Shinobird. Because the recursion and the fact that you have now the option to Rageki turn after turn seems strong enough on its own Maybe even throw in a Ragnaraika engine and play all gas 60 card piles as Ragnaraika can recycle the Rituals
This deck has just enough niche interactions and dumb design decisions for me to cope The first ritual basically just says your opponent discards a card every turn. You handtrap me: discard. You activate a card on your turn: discard The ritual spell being technically twice per turn sounds like it'll be broken at some point, especially not being ashable. The rituals play around nib, Kaiju esc monsters, etc, dodging imperm seems awesome
6:12 but when Ice Barrier does it, everyone gets mad! I also like Doomkalibur-style mandatory negates. You opponent will lose a card, but they pick which one
@@ThatOneWeirdFlex yeah but still floodgate bullshit. Very good that the endboard dies to 1 Imperm. I like the going second style with both trishs a lot more. The deck has some nice extenders
I’m honestly so excited for these cards. I’m just a casual player tbh But these seem so fun, gonna run reptile tri brigade with ragna-ogdo mitsurugi. I don’t care if it’s meta
It is shit with ragnaraika in my opinion. You can play the link 4 just ti have that floodgate, kills some decks. But there are to many ragnaraika cards you need to play, and it is a still better to just play ogdo with these or ogdo with raika but not all 3.
Can’t this deck also somewhat run dimension shitter well enough hurt the opp more since most effects are on tribute and they have a banishment recycler
3:25 I feel like they just wanted another in engine LV4 to work with the ritual spell and didn't want to make the archetype too overpowered from the getgo. Reptiles do have lots of really good generic support cards, so perhaps if they observe that the card doesn't break reptiles, they'll be more likely to add more powerful LV4 options in future support
Had to make the trap a normal trap bc if they made it a counter trap then 1: it would effectively be a better judgment, very simple And 2: almost nothing would be able to respond to its graveyard effect bc even though it’s a grave effect, the card is still spell speed 3
The second part is just not true. If a counter trap has a GY effect, it's spell speed 2. Same as the quick-play spells, even though on field they're SS2, in grave they're SS1
I feel like these cards should've been twice per turn, what is the point of the tribute trigger, if they are going to be triggering on summon anyways? I guess it's only one third of the archetype, but it really feels like something is missing.
The Rituals are a deterrent to make your opponent think twice about using Nibiru, Lava Golem, or Kaijus. The Ritual boss monsters are good enough, I would say they are really good cards. You think a 3200 atk monster that can special summon itself, Raigeki your opponent's monsters, and search twice wouldn't be overpowered? Lol. The 3200 atk ritual is also a tribute target for Eradicator Epidemic Virus and it summons itself and searches just from 1 card.
@Renegade77784 They might be good. Like Josh concludes, I think it really depends on the rest of the cards in the archetype. As they are now, I think if you open the ritual or a search they might be able to do something meta relevant, but I think the rest of the deck matters a lot. But I wasn't really talking about power level with them triggering twice. It just FEELS like that is what they were going for with special summon then tribute for ritual or protect etc.
@@Pistolsatsean The 3200 atk ritual can negate or make your opponent discard their hand traps as well. If your opponent has no cards to discard it's effect becomes a regular omni negate. 2 omni negates a turn for a monster is overpowered.
@Renegade77784 If a card requires a specific condition to be met to "be a good card" you are admitting that in other cases it isn't. Keep in mind that after reading these Josh the pro player doesn't think they are worth coping over. And if the entire deck only has two "omni-negates" which are actual just your opponent CHOOSING two discards. That is significantly worse than... Every single meta deck me thinks?
A very Ashable TCG archetype. But genuinely, this first wave is very playable, as long as you get to 1 ritual monster and a ritual spell, which is quite easy to achieve with King of the Feral Imps. And there just so happens to be a tier 1 rank 4 archetype in the game that does need its normal summon to go off. But once you get there with Mitsurugi, you literally see every card in this first wave on your first turn, and play them.
It's great that we all agree on one thing: it will be a meh/mediocre/bad Deck in the end. Even if it has a unique combination (Ritual Reptile), that uniqueness will be what dooms the Deck.
Imo we really need ritual cards that are interchangeable to be truly viable, so you can use whatever ritual spell you get to summon which ever ritual in hand using any other rituals as cost. We need generic Megaliths
I think making rituals lvl 8 was intentional, cause making them 6 would means they can abuse benten, and making them 7 would means they can abuse benten with drytrons.
Smh Libromancer had so much potential they just didn't wanna give it one more good Maindeck Monster that could generate advantage. Rituals as a mechanic is hard to make competitive without making both the rituals and ritual spells give you advantage.
its crazy to think how much the game has changed in just a few years. What he’s describing in the start screams Sky Striker, mostly good for follow up turn and doesnt really generate a giant advantage at first. It use to run the meta game for literal YEARS. Nowadays its just not good enough to compete except as a small engine in other meta decks. Kinda sad they would move the games towards first turn full board omni negates instead of staying at that level. To avoid similar comments disagreeing, Its a valid comparison that JOSH MADE IN THE VIDEO, his words not mine how a deck needs more generation on turn 1 for the current meta and cant survive if it only sets up for turn 2. Please watch the video before you go into the comments just to argue. Snake Eyes which just barely left the meta was making generic omni negates for their end board. Maliss is generally another cyber pile deck, ending on Terahertz for example. “Full Board” was a very obvious over exaggeration, comparing it to the single link monster that had no negates that Sky Striker ends on generally on turn 1, with a single negate from a widow anchor or afterburner unless you drew into another widow anchor or afterburner.
The omimni was before striker and then full throttle after it. And nowadays, omnis arent as prevalent. The new design is infinite resource. Orcust did that once too... but now ots turbo capitalism of sorts for cardeconomy.
Fiendschmidt doesn't generate a massive turn 1 board and is mostly focused on a good grind game backed up with hand traps, and that's a tier 1 deck right now. The most hardcore "turn 1 infinite negates" deck is yubel, which is like tier 2. Ryzeal and Maliss are both more grind game focused.
I'm definitelly hyped for these. Ritual is my favorite summoning mechanic and I love reptiles. My only problem is that you can fucking ash the ritual spell......
You don't get it. THIS archetype will be the one to break Snake Rain, trust.
bro just one more archetype bro. i promise just a little more Reptile support and Snake Rain will be BROKEN bro. bro. just one more archetype. please just
People say that everytime reptiles get support
I unironically think that Snake Rain is the main reason we’ll never get a good reptile archetype. A non-OPT foolish for 4 is insane on paper. Sorta like how Adamancipator was only really broken because of Block Dragon and as soon as that card was gone the deck fell off. Snake Rain is a similar ticking time bomb card that would either need a pre-hit or have Konami just make the format absolutely awful for a while because Snake Rain is nearly an archetypal Painful Choice
You all been saying that for years
@@Frame206asarcasm.... it's called sarcasm
But I will cope on these
cope on these nuts, nerd!
TCG figured out how to design archetypes that the OCG will let be good. Base them on Japanese mythology.
Like Kaijus
Like James Bond?
Ah, my favorite Japanese myth: How Dante pulled an angel.
Tcg exclusives are designed by OCG
@@kps3252they literally aren't?
these cards work perfectly with ogdoadic, being a lvl 8 ritual with that ritual spell is a blessing for reptiles and not a disadvantage. also their first turn boards are basically unbreakable.
That does depend on the opponent's handtraps and interactions.
@@pvzbronygodgaming8476 yeah ofc, in this case I'm talking about uninterrupted.
@@pvzbronygodgaming8476 also depends on what we draw. Ogdoadic is a little bricky
@@pvzbronygodgaming8476
Just summoned the Ogdoadic tokens with Daybreak and make the snake girl in Ragnaraika Link monster to turn off hand traps.
That's it.
That's all you need to do.
@@pvzbronygodgaming8476 Ogdoadics have insane gas, the only problem was reptiles not having good boss monsters. Ogdoadic players were making Zer'oll. These are good boss monsters!
this is easily the most functional a TCG exclusive deck has been out the gate in an incredibly long time, just due to its incredible direct synergy with Ogdo. clearly deliberately designed to work with that deck, and that fixes the classic "this deck just doesn't have enough cards yet" problem. not meta or anything, but definitely something you can take to locals
Honestly the Ryzeal version by Trif seems much better.
Several days later : "Today I learned about Mitsurugi Runick 🤔"
If Hugin would be a reptile, yes
You cannot ash the second effect of the ritual. Tributing is not sending
Good I'm glad to hear that. I'm interested in this archetype
Does get floodgated by Reirautari which is generic though. Although, generic link-4, so might not be the best thing to commit to
@@ccjl9160Reirautari only prevents you to tribute for cost, cards that tribute as part of the effect, like Nibiru and ritual spells, still work
@ccjl9160 doesn't that link monster stop you from tributing monsters to ACTIVATE effects but not per se tribute as PART of the effect resolution? Like it would stop you from tributing a monster when activating the quick play spell, but all ritual spells that conduct ritual summons tribute as part of their effect resolution and not as a cost for their activation, since negating a ritual spell that had to tribute for cost would be a huge downside to playing the card
Reiratauri prevents tributing for cost iirc, so it does not prevent ritual summons @ccjl9160
Yo Josh you should get together some Yugi-tubers for a TCG exclusive banlist format, imagine how fun the game could be if the power level were limited to: Mitsu, Mimighoul, BA, Ghoti, Ashened, Subterror etc.
Back and forth games guaranteed!
Why would he do that? That way he won't be able to use the most meta stuff available, and non worldchamp ygtubers might stand a chance
That's actually a pretty entertaining idea lol
That sounds really cool actually
Reptile will eventually be playable, trust.
Pyro can do it so can reptile
You've seen the year of fire. Get ready for the year of lizard
@@ccjl9160 ironically, 2025 is year of the snake, and the gx anniversary. Look out for venom support O_O
Just wait for the link 1 that searches snake rain copium
This makes reptile better than Rogue bro 💀
The things people are already working out with Ryzeal and King of the Feral imps or Odgoadic are definitely proving this to be a solid foundation, but you're right. We're still waiting until wave 2 to se what these cards are truly made of.
Ashen did noting.
Mimicghoul got screwed over by a trap that came out THE SAME SET there second wave.
How are they gonna screw over these guys?
@@rashanmcrae9166 probably typhon style xyz monster that can be summoned if your opponent controls a ritual and has a system down for reptiles in deck and field
@@rashanmcrae9166 Not as much as you are screwing the english language lol
@@kps3252 my english is fine i just suck at typing stuff on a phone
How often have we heard that said about a tcg elusive
Played against this deck recently on simulator. Considering all the Oggdodoiacs there are, there's a lot of stuff you can dump to get your plays started.
My only issue with having every negate be "discard to disallow" is that you risk giving your opponent more combo by trying to interact with them... Banishing face down to disallow would be better since so many decks use the grave now
Not entirely true. The cards that have effect in the GY usually cannot function by themselves, so it’s usually a 1-of, hence the chance of them seeing it is low. I think people having too much trauma from Orcust / Salad / Thunder / Drytron formats that they forgot the GY isn’t always the 2nd hand. Shifter is also a card so the chance of opp playing a GY-based deck is significantly lower as Maliss and Ryzeal can easily play Shifter if they want.
Well, it's the idea. The drawback can be any number of things.
Like..
Choose between omni-negate or only 2 more Special Summons.
Choose between omni-negate or banish 3 Extra Deck cards face-down.
Choose between omni-negate or skip your next Battle Phase.
I'm not a hater of straight up omni-negates, but I do think that not every omni needs to have the same power.
New generic bosses, or archetypal cards that are super consistent to access should be weaker then the negate on older and more clunky archetypal bosses, or cards with tough restrictions.
Or shuffle back into deck
@@ZeratoDuong thanks for putting tear trap brick into the grave and unclogging my hand that was really nice of you
I play orcust, thank you very much
and then Ryzeal happens...
Oooh. Intersting archetype. Probably the best stuff Reptiles have seen in ages.
If it turns out mediocre, that just means i can afford it easier. Scalpers will be coping hard on this one though. I suggest getting your copies as early as possible on release.
I’ve been rocking reptiles for 8 years since, and my beloved niche reptiles are getting bigger and I’m so proud of them
Hello Josh,
Je suis un joueur reptile depuis Octobre de l'année passée.
Après de nombreux tests.
L'archétype fonctionne bien avec les autres reptiles:
- Ogdoadique (mécaniques sacrifice, niveau 8,...).
- Pluie de serpent
- Reptiles ténèbres niveau 4 (lamia pour tuto les rituel 8, Lézard Ragnaraika, Coatl reptilia,...).
- XYZ 4 King Imps (tuto anyway reptile monster).
The thing about this archetype is that Reptile are already a singular deck combining the best stuff from the Reptile pool, and this goes VERY well with those and the new 4K Reptile from the same set.
Snake Rain will go crazy starting 2 to 4 archetypes at once.
Also, as these are Ritual, they get to use much of the generic Ritual support we've seen over the years.
It is yet to be seen just how good they will be with one wave, but Reptile Soup decks are sure to be something.
Cosmic Slicer, both ritual bosses , king , queen with any normal summon to protect from distraction end board gonna go crazy
Also gotta note the ritual spells cannot be ashed as tributing from deck is not deterministic for cards to go to gy. It is the same ruling as destroying cards in deck
I mean makes sense, Ash negates Sending, special summoning, and adding from deck, so those two don’t fall under the umbrella
Do we have confirmation of it being treated the same as destroying?
@@jackofaces107 Ritual summoning involves sending monsters from the field or gy as part of a card effect, which would mean you are sending a monster from deck to gy if you are allowed to tribute from deck.
@@chewdoom8415wrong, it is not sending to the gy, it is tributing which is something else entirely, it’s in the same realm as destroying a card. It’s not going to the GY due to a card effect, it’s going to the GY via a game mechanic as a result of tributing/destroying.
@@connormccarthy6741 Well how is that any different from branded fusion? The monarch card allows you use an opponent's monster for a tribute summon would still not work on a monster that is unaffected by a card effect or spell card. And you are still performing a tribute summon as a result of a spell card. And would those monster sent on the resolution of the ritual spell still be treated as being sent to the gy by a card effect?
Nibiru tributes as part of a card effect. Or are you saying that trubuting as part of a ritual summone is a procedure for the summoning mechanic as oppose to Nibiru where it is part of the effect of the monster?
You are saying that I am wrong, but that is why I asked what is the precedent for the ruling you are stating?
Great Purification is kind of insane on the first Ritual considering how it becomes a Raigeki during your opponent's turn and gives you follow-up. As weird as it is to say, this is a pretty strong Wave 1 as far as TCG Exclusive archetypes go. There aren't any 1-card combos (yet), but Great Purification is honestly an amazing set-up card that can give you a lot of plusses, there's decent interruption and grindgame potential and being able to nuke the opponent's field during their turn on-command will never not be strong. The iffy parts are that the recovery effects of the Rituals are really handtrappable thanks to them being DARKs that revive themselves and tutor a Mitsurugi card. So if your opponent has a common handtrap available to interrupt you, you lose so much momentum and can lose the game. That being said, if they do not? The grindgame potential can be pretty nuts since you basically get infinite follow-up. All I'll say is that it's fun... like, really fun. If they get actual 1-card starters, this could be a very frustrating Rogue Deck to play against between the sheer grindgame and the fact that they got a nuke that eats up your opponent's resources
This deck is like tier 7 or tier 8. Hope second wave can help it to get tier 4 or tier 5 I hope.
@duongky3114
Hopefully. All I can say is that an omni-negate trap + Raigeki on command during your opponent's turn being accessible in-archetype have never not led to a topping Deck even if they don't become top of the metagame
Im getting alot of dual avatar vibes from these (not an insult i like that deck), japanese theming with 2 main deck guys, 1 offensive, 1 defensive with a boss monster counterpart each and a pretty strong spell for getting to said bosses.
I really like them too. Just NO IDEA how to play them at all lol
I want a few a few more main deck cards so that when you branded ritual you get to plus 2-3
I think they made this archetype with the current reptile card pool in mind. Ogdoadic spams lv 8 and 4 monsters on field. it's basically the sunavalon for reptiles but it never had anything good to go for. it's going to be part of a 60 card ragnaraika pile like how plants are but with a lot less varied interaction.
you also missed that the strategy most likely wants to end on the 2nd ritual with the first one being made turn 1 and bring it back on the opponents turn to wipe and negate a card.
oh no Ritual Summons, my one weakness
I'm a sucker for Ritual monsters and Ritual archetypes: If I see it, I want to play it. That's how Magikey turned out to be my favorite archetype, Libromancer turned out to be the best engine for the archetype, and Voiceless turned out to be my most successful DC and WCS competitor - whilst we don't have Fiendsmith and/or Primite on Master Duel, then Magikey will be my main deck again.
I use Libromancers in Vanquish Soul lol. I have a 50 card version that is one of my favourite personal builds ever
Futsu no mitama no mitsurugi also summons back a flood gate if youre playing slicer and its in grave. one of the main issues with slicer was it was too easy to remove but now we can summon back with lily, strike, Ogdoadbyss, and now this card on the opp turn
You can tell by the name Mitsurugi, there will be 3 Ritual Monster.
There will probably be a Lv 12 Ritual boss monster in the second wave.
Pairs very well with Ryzeal so that's probably already enough to get it some level of play in top level regionals and YCSes.
The next wave needs 1 more level 8 Ritual (Pops Backrow) and 1 level 4 main deck reptile (more recursion perhaps). So far wave 1 seems promising.
2 more main deck level 4s would still be nice to have though.
second wave is usually 7 cards for tcg exclusives
They're kinda like Maliss: Needs 2 card combos for a lot of hands, if they full combo they win the game with their infinite follow up moreso than their having an impenetrable board.
I think the biggest issue the deck has is a lack of extenders that access their bosses. With a lot of hands, if Saji gets handtrapped, you don't get to access the engine. But if Saji resolves, you get full combo. Fiendsmith is a good pairing with it just because it gives you some kind of endboard even if you get stopped. Ogdoadic makes your engine go crazier, but doesn't really help deal with hand traps. Azamina helps stop HTs, and Deception tributes which can be useful, but the two engines don't really lead into each other.
It's kinda like how Ryzeal has a clear chokepoint, but Ryzeal is full of one card combos. Mitsurugi needs to run a ton of engine just to consistently hit their choke point.
The endboard is already pretty cracked, though. The rituals are extremely annoying to play through, and even once you get past the board wipe and omni-negate, the mitsurugi player probably has a full hand and full board to crack back if you can't kill them.
Only thing that i do see would do well with this deck are the virus cards which can also trigger their sp summon effecr
People who say the 3200 Mitsurugi is mid are kinda missing point of it even though it has so many useful effects. It's omni negate effect is good, but if your opponent has no cards in their hand they don't have the option to cancel it's negate effect. That makes the effect go from good to great because then it becomes a regular omni negate with no cost and it's a quick effect by the way.
@@Renegade77784 Also it makes handtraps into 2 for 1s. If your opponent activates 1 hand trap, theyre starting their turn with 4 cards. Then they activate anything and now they have 2 cards in hand. And that's just the BONUS effect. The main effects are it's a quick play raigeki (with the other ritual monster) and its an extender.
We'll just wait for Konami to print a broken Reptile Ritual monster to make that Ritual Spell crazy good.
I am back two days later to inform you that I am coping hard enough for your entire audience
I can’t believe we learned about Runick Mitsurugi today.
On their favor I have to say that every card of this first wave is good and worth playing, even if it at 1, and they also have already good synergy with already existing archetypes and support.
You can summon Saji, search Ritual Spell, then ritual by tributing Saji and Kasunagi from the hand (or potentially deck), you get a Ritual Monster and +2. Plus 3 since you get Saji back and can use him again. I have no clue about the current Yu-Gi-Oh meta so I don't know how good this is. One card combo too. I'm sure you can do a lot more than this.
The fact that it was a "special summon" instead of "ritual summon" make make it quick play torrential or raigeki
I tested quite a bit with these and they can do some fun stuff! They cant challenge ryzeal or maliss but they are a lot of fun to play and synergize really well with generic reptile stuff like ogdo or raika
This is also gonna be a ryzeal variant so it’s prob gonna contest with ryzeal anyway 😅
I'm so glad my ogdos are finally playable without throwing them into some combo soup or making the cringe alien bagooska.
Still waiting for some actual xyz ogdoadic boss monsters tho
Ogdo-Mitsurugi still makes and passes on Slicer. Sorry to break your heart. Granted it’s with the new Rituals now, but it’s not anything to brag about.
@torakandwolf6786 Not necessarily, there are lot's of boards that people are experimenting with. A-Bao for Herald, Dweller, I:P, Colossus etc Slicer seems more of a card to pivot to when you reptile lock via Neph than a focused upon end board piece.
I wish they had link one. And some good xyzs
@@PedroCastro-vn8qg Bruv don’t we all wish our favourite decks had a link 1 🤣 Ogdos should have an XYZ monster or two though.
@@torakandwolf6786 True, but IT WOULD BE SO GOOD it would improve the lv4s so much
These aren’t the world greatest but you can definitely splash this is in Ryzeal by using king of the feral imps
The ritual spell is crazy, so the archetype can be good. I will play them because I love reptiles and Ritual is my favourite summoning mechanic. They can't use Ritual staples, but has access to Reptile ones (Snake Rain, Sword Night Serpent) and Ogdo package (Keurse, Nauya, Nephilabyss, Water Lily and Daybreak, I play only them)
T2 potential in my opinion with an average good 2nd wave, there isn't one bad card in this 1st wave
The trap is just budget Crescendo
The trap should work with rollback right? If not, please enlighten me! Also was there already an omni negate that works with rollback?
Mitsuguri honestly seems like a good 5 card engine in Shinobird.
Because the recursion and the fact that you have now the option to Rageki turn after turn seems strong enough on its own
Maybe even throw in a Ragnaraika engine and play all gas 60 card piles as Ragnaraika can recycle the Rituals
MY SNAKE RAINS VALUE HAS RISEN!!!
2025 is the year of snake so we will get reptileGOD archetype in 2026.
I want them to be strong enough to be fun to play with but not strong enough to get super expensive
Even if wave 2/3 is bad, these are still good enough to throw in another deck.
I haven't seen anyone play Misturugi with Impcantations yet that would be cool.
Huh, with names straight out of japanese mythology like these I was expecting Spirit monsters.
These cards look fun.
This deck has just enough niche interactions and dumb design decisions for me to cope
The first ritual basically just says your opponent discards a card every turn. You handtrap me: discard. You activate a card on your turn: discard
The ritual spell being technically twice per turn sounds like it'll be broken at some point, especially not being ashable. The rituals play around nib, Kaiju esc monsters, etc, dodging imperm seems awesome
This will be fire with drytron 🐉
Snake rain will finally be good, trust.
Cant wait for the fusion in wave 2
6:12 but when Ice Barrier does it, everyone gets mad!
I also like Doomkalibur-style mandatory negates. You opponent will lose a card, but they pick which one
not to mention the little difference of once per turn (:
Also Ice barrier has no other wincon than floodgate bullshit
@@kohlenstoffmonoxid1215thats literally the idea of freezing your opponent with a field full of Ice Barriers
@@ThatOneWeirdFlex yeah but still floodgate bullshit. Very good that the endboard dies to 1 Imperm. I like the going second style with both trishs a lot more. The deck has some nice extenders
I’m honestly so excited for these cards. I’m just a casual player tbh
But these seem so fun, gonna run reptile tri brigade with ragna-ogdo mitsurugi. I don’t care if it’s meta
Merry Christmas 🎉
this with Ryzeal is super cool.
Ogdoadic will be playable at last!!
Can't wait to give megalith an upgrade
Would these not go with Ragnaraika ? I feel like these might help that deck maybe not. Anyone know?
It is shit with ragnaraika in my opinion. You can play the link 4 just ti have that floodgate, kills some decks. But there are to many ragnaraika cards you need to play, and it is a still better to just play ogdo with these or ogdo with raika but not all 3.
If doesn’t make Alien Tier 2 at a minimum I’m not interested
Can’t this deck also somewhat run dimension shitter well enough hurt the opp more since most effects are on tribute and they have a banishment recycler
Wave two gotta do a whole lot more..
What is there to cope on? Reptiles? Rituals? TCG support? Lol
3:25 I feel like they just wanted another in engine LV4 to work with the ritual spell and didn't want to make the archetype too overpowered from the getgo. Reptiles do have lots of really good generic support cards, so perhaps if they observe that the card doesn't break reptiles, they'll be more likely to add more powerful LV4 options in future support
Cope like every other tcg archetype
Every good archtype is good from the rip
JUST GIVE ME BACK DJINN AND ILL BREAK THE DECK and get it banned again
Had to make the trap a normal trap bc if they made it a counter trap then
1: it would effectively be a better judgment, very simple
And
2: almost nothing would be able to respond to its graveyard effect bc even though it’s a grave effect, the card is still spell speed 3
The second part is just not true. If a counter trap has a GY effect, it's spell speed 2. Same as the quick-play spells, even though on field they're SS2, in grave they're SS1
We have had better Judgement's for year but none of you want to use them because they are trap cards. That's it.
Might be rogue playable? Maybe?
I feel like these cards should've been twice per turn, what is the point of the tribute trigger, if they are going to be triggering on summon anyways?
I guess it's only one third of the archetype, but it really feels like something is missing.
It allows the cards to trigger on the opponent's turn to get the engine going and Plat around negation
The Rituals are a deterrent to make your opponent think twice about using Nibiru, Lava Golem, or Kaijus. The Ritual boss monsters are good enough, I would say they are really good cards. You think a 3200 atk monster that can special summon itself, Raigeki your opponent's monsters, and search twice wouldn't be overpowered? Lol. The 3200 atk ritual is also a tribute target for Eradicator Epidemic Virus and it summons itself and searches just from 1 card.
@Renegade77784 They might be good. Like Josh concludes, I think it really depends on the rest of the cards in the archetype.
As they are now, I think if you open the ritual or a search they might be able to do something meta relevant, but I think the rest of the deck matters a lot.
But I wasn't really talking about power level with them triggering twice. It just FEELS like that is what they were going for with special summon then tribute for ritual or protect etc.
@@Pistolsatsean The 3200 atk ritual can negate or make your opponent discard their hand traps as well. If your opponent has no cards to discard it's effect becomes a regular omni negate. 2 omni negates a turn for a monster is overpowered.
@Renegade77784 If a card requires a specific condition to be met to "be a good card" you are admitting that in other cases it isn't.
Keep in mind that after reading these Josh the pro player doesn't think they are worth coping over. And if the entire deck only has two "omni-negates" which are actual just your opponent CHOOSING two discards. That is significantly worse than... Every single meta deck me thinks?
If they really wanted to Konami can make every type extremely busted
I can see a pile of this + Ogdoatic being playable.
Not good, not even tier 3, but playable.
inb4 the 2nd wave has xyz or synchro support haha
Yeah i will cope, these will be my another go 2nd deck beside lunalight tear 😊
A very Ashable TCG archetype.
But genuinely, this first wave is very playable, as long as you get to 1 ritual monster and a ritual spell, which is quite easy to achieve with King of the Feral Imps. And there just so happens to be a tier 1 rank 4 archetype in the game that does need its normal summon to go off. But once you get there with Mitsurugi, you literally see every card in this first wave on your first turn, and play them.
Finally Snake-Rain ban incoming
I will never forgive them for what they've done with Ashened
Same here bro 😢
No translation problem when it comes to ocg. Nice play k
the Cope for Snake Rain to make Reptile Busted still goes on and even with this new Addition it aint still going to be the One to be break the Rain.
Reptiles honestly don't even need it. The type creates a billion material on its own without snake rain, snake rain just does it in fewer steps.
When do we think that this deck will end up in ,,Failed Cards, Archetypes and sometimes mechanics"?
inshallah more ritual decks
Come on dude the mimighoul cards May have not been the best buy they are genuinely playable (unlike some other ashened deck)
Mimi is hella underrated. Deck's legit good, but people don't see it
@@angel-memeroftheisles Dominus Impulse effect, response?
Giving me vendred vibes, starts off as a cool concept to ultimately flop, I'll wait and see on this.
Tbf this looks way better then garbage like Ashen
This could have been so good... if pre preperation could be used. but no, ofc we can't have nice things... smh smh
but tbh Reptile support isn't all that bad, it's just they're lacking endboard pieces I feel like
Fok this archetype they shouldve made ashened stronger !
It's great that we all agree on one thing: it will be a meh/mediocre/bad Deck in the end.
Even if it has a unique combination (Ritual Reptile), that uniqueness will be what dooms the Deck.
Not gonna lie, I was hoping we'd get a third wave of Mimighoul support instead
got to wait 4 japan
Copium, my favorite
I will cope on these, it's interesting that nib doesn't nesscaryly stop this archetype.
Nib absolutely can stop this deck because their tribute effects are hard one per turns so you'll just need to wait until the end to use it
Imo we really need ritual cards that are interchangeable to be truly viable, so you can use whatever ritual spell you get to summon which ever ritual in hand using any other rituals as cost.
We need generic Megaliths
Yea sure let's make everything generic slop so the competitive morons are satisfied.
I think making rituals lvl 8 was intentional, cause making them 6 would means they can abuse benten, and making them 7 would means they can abuse benten with drytrons.
A ritual deck that doesn’t act like one.
Smh Libromancer had so much potential they just didn't wanna give it one more good Maindeck Monster that could generate advantage.
Rituals as a mechanic is hard to make competitive without making both the rituals and ritual spells give you advantage.
its crazy to think how much the game has changed in just a few years. What he’s describing in the start screams Sky Striker, mostly good for follow up turn and doesnt really generate a giant advantage at first. It use to run the meta game for literal YEARS. Nowadays its just not good enough to compete except as a small engine in other meta decks. Kinda sad they would move the games towards first turn full board omni negates instead of staying at that level.
To avoid similar comments disagreeing, Its a valid comparison that JOSH MADE IN THE VIDEO, his words not mine how a deck needs more generation on turn 1 for the current meta and cant survive if it only sets up for turn 2. Please watch the video before you go into the comments just to argue. Snake Eyes which just barely left the meta was making generic omni negates for their end board. Maliss is generally another cyber pile deck, ending on Terahertz for example. “Full Board” was a very obvious over exaggeration, comparing it to the single link monster that had no negates that Sky Striker ends on generally on turn 1, with a single negate from a widow anchor or afterburner unless you drew into another widow anchor or afterburner.
The omimni was before striker and then full throttle after it. And nowadays, omnis arent as prevalent. The new design is infinite resource. Orcust did that once too... but now ots turbo capitalism of sorts for cardeconomy.
What deck is full Omni boards? Learn the meta before you cry about every deck being full Omni boards sheep
Fiendschmidt doesn't generate a massive turn 1 board and is mostly focused on a good grind game backed up with hand traps, and that's a tier 1 deck right now.
The most hardcore "turn 1 infinite negates" deck is yubel, which is like tier 2. Ryzeal and Maliss are both more grind game focused.
@@itsdamuno 1 cares, this is a YT comment section
@@xBonafidexProdigythen why did you comment? lmfao counter intuitive to your own comment. These comments have zero IQ its ridiculous.
I'm definitelly hyped for these. Ritual is my favorite summoning mechanic and I love reptiles. My only problem is that you can fucking ash the ritual spell......
it's only once per effect so you can get it back with the recursion guy
I love the Pokemon Centre background music. Colosseum version?
Sounds like Oras version
@@GreenOpurge it's certainly a Ruby/Sapphire-era version.
Hiten Mitsurugi Style