Thanks for doing the "can you sleep in it" test. Please do that for all SUV's and crossovers. Move the front seat all the way forward and fully upright for the smaller ones. The gap can be filled pretty easily and the real question is whether a 6 foot tall person has room to lie down flat. The manufacturer never says and I'll bet a lot of your viewers want to know. Cubic foot capacity or how many carry-on bags it will hold doesn't give you the same information.
My Husband just bought me one of these tonight. When it was new Dealership had it lifted and put bigger more aggressive wheels and tires on it They also put skid plates underneath. Apparently they agree that it needs the changes you mentioned. 🤗 Can't wait to start playing with my new rig.
This vehicle is fantastic in snow and ice. The snow storm that shut down 95 and northern VA, gave me a chance to test this is bad weather. Even at 14 inches of snow and 1-3 inches of ice was zero issues.
I think people forget most buyers will use this vehicle as a daily driver and occasionally for light off-roading, so it's adequate for its intended purpose.
Good video Ryan! I was waiting for this one! One thing about ground clearance is that “maximum” clearance starts getting more important on the technical stuff. The Passport has 8.1” of minimum and 12.5” of at the pinch weld / rocker panel. A Subaru Ascent has 8.7” min / 9.0” max and a Subaru Outback wilderness has 9.5” / 11.5”. This clearance is so incredibly important because the tires line up with the rocker panel after you drive up something like a Boulder. This allows a Stock Passport to overcome a 9 inch Boulder without body damage. It has the 20.4:1 crawl ratio with a real automatic transmission to slowly crawl up the above mentioned obstacle. **Because the way a CVT operates and non aggressive gearing, a Subaru Outback wilderness would need to use momentum. Also, because the lack of maximum clearance (or rocker clearance, as I like to cal it) the OBW would make damaging contact with the boulder**. My Honda Passport has a 3.5” lift with 32.1” tires. I have 12” of minimum clearance and 16” of maximum clearance, which proves the Trail Sport trim could have a lot of potential! The Subaru Outback wilderness is capped at around 10-10.5”. A friend lifted his OBW 2” and only benefited from another inch min clearance. The geometry of the subaru global platform chassis just doesn’t allow to take advantage of a larger lift. Will the future Honda Trailsports have 12 inches of minimum ground clearance? I have no idea, but that sure would be awesome!!!! I’d love to see the trailsport, or any other iVTM4 equipped AWD on your test hill. If you can’t find one, I’ll drive all the way up there (from California).
@@richeyrich2203 for 2022, that is correct. The Pilot goes from 7.3" clearance to 8.1" and all trailsports come with an option for 18 inch wheels. Everything is mechanically the same, so you can pick up a 2019 Passport Sport AWD and have the same capabilities. 20.4:1 crawl ratio and the twin clutch rear diff.
@@terence4427 all the Passport trims are mechanically the same. So you could get a Sport model with AWD and it would drive anywhere the trailsport would go. Just make sure to downsize the wheels from 20” to either 17” or 18”. More side wall = less chance to get a flat tire and the ability to air down more to increase traction and articulation
This is the best car ever in my book. Practical, capable, reliable, powerful, and safe. Pretty hard to find an SUV with a 250hp+ engine with no turbocharger, non-hybrid, with a conventional automatic transmission and AWD, especially from a good Japanese brand.
I drive a Land Rover with its legendary computerized 4WD system and I also own a latest-model-year Honda Pilot. I have to admit I have been really impressed with the Honda torque vectoring system. I’ve always been a little bummed out knowing Honda could easily create a very solid off roader even without formal mechanically locking setups. They would easily take a chunk out of Subaru’s market share if they tried. Maybe one day…
I agree, Bronco Sport has similar vectoring axle, but they were just little more serious about off road and added manual clutch closing buttons for center and rear... i like the ivtm4 and sh awd additional accelerator to achieve faster spinning rear wheels, but the off road focus is not as prominent
Subarus are crap with cvt anyways a proper slush box will transfer all that power to the wheels properly especially when these crossovers doesn't have low range even nissan realized that with the new pathfinder.
Same 👍🏻 I was hoping to swap my front struts out for passport ones because then I would have more actually shock rather than spacers but the strut top is more like the pilot. Honda has so much potential and no aftermarket support.
I was at the Honda release of the Rugged Roads Project and spoke to Honda reps about this. They know this model needs more support but it seems to me like they are so far down with the next model that the best they could do was the TrailsSport trim. They get it. It was a big deal that they came to Overland Expo West. Toyota didn't bother to show up...
LOL That ending. Love it. Keep up the wonderful content. I hope Honda didn't give you too much trouble. Full size spare is a must it seems for off-road.
This feels like what the forester would be, if it didn't have a cvt. Honda is weird. The CR-V has like the worst awd ever , but the passport as far as AWD goes is rather fantastic, and It was my friend Jon dz that sold me on it. I like these. I have a lifted Cherokee trailhawk on mts, but came from previous gen outbacks so I have a soft spot for normal awd vehicles. And I have grown to respect the passport a lot
I took same road as you with my 2021passport ex-l awd couple months ago and i was surprised how good this car performed, the best midsize suv for both world by far
Wow, why would honda call something a trailsport and then not slap some AT tires on it, at least some mild all-terrains would be great nothing to crazy
Well I say this is the best Passport TrailSport review. Well Tested imo and its a good lesson for Honda to include a full size spare tire if this is a "Trailsport". I don't mind not having A/T tires to save cost and owners can always buy A/T tires. As for the emergency communication on trails maybe having Garmin Inreach would be a great tool. I have the 11.95/mo plan which is ideal for me.
@@drivingsports so far my use of inReach is to send the location and status to my wife where me and kiddo at.. LoL. Mrs doesn't like trail runs, She says it raise her blood pressure and make me panic on technical areas as well.
Agree! Should have full size spare tire. This would also make the cargo floor at roughly the same elevation with the 2nd row seats when folded down. By then, it would be more comfortable/convenient to sleep in it. It is very still practical and capable enough in its current design for daily driving and weekend excursions. This is in my 2nd spot (1st is the new Tundra) if I would buy a vehicle.
@@autostechnos6432 I've been thinking about waiting for the twin turbo hybrid that should be available shortly to purchase. Even Subaru Wilderness line is on the same line of this Passport with more ground clearance and Subi seem to have lot of aftermarket support when it comes to skids and lockers / limited slip diffs. But the CVT is killing it imo. I think Bronco sport is also same class big contender. I don't know if Rav4 TRD can compete or not with its new AWD system.
Nice video. Looks like Honda listened to you and putting the things you mention (tires, under carriage support, more clearance) in their Pilot. Hopefully they can do the same with 2023 Passport.
Not selling as well as others though. Which means you can get discounts on these. Most people are buying Kias instead for all the tech and 100k warranty. So Honda is only selling 1/3 of the passports compared to the competitors. So they need to move the Passports at discount.
The lack of more trailworthy tires, a full size spare, and extra ground clearance is disappointing, as is the lack of tow hooks. I would wait until they have at least a little lift, a full size spare and tow hooks as tire choice depends on the type of driving it would be used for.
Best 'real life offroad' review I've ever seen! Those dang rocks just come out of nowhere! I've offroad'ed my previous MDX with A/T tires and ended up the same way. It happens. That being said, Trail Sport edition absolutely needs a Full Size Spare Tire. Moreover, for anybody considering a Subaru with a CVT transmission, there is no contest. Continuous Variable Trash (Admittedly not as bad as Jatco). They need to develop an 8 to 10 speed automatic asap, and setup a 'crawl ratio' at least as good as this Passport. Here's hoping they can redesign the body to squeeze in 33" skinny tires. This would do so much more than a suspension lift.
That Trailsport badge adds at least 10 inches of clearance with infinite approach and departure angles. An extra 200 hp and worth at least 3 1/2 beans and 4 1/2 penguins.
Thanks for your review...I am very happy when reviewers don't add what they want or wish was offered when they have no intention to buy Honda they review, because us customers are happy with what we get and sometimes would like more, but would rather reliability on what we get.
Thanks for the review! The passport needs 9.5 inches of ground clearance, better approach and departure, brake over. With all of that, plus a bit more like bumping up "Torque" and "HP"this will be the new big boy in town! Sucks Honda is moving so slow right now. I’ll be patiently waiting as I just got the 2.0t accord. They also need to add AWD to the accord’s. I honestly don’t think it would do anything to Acura sales…. It’s ridiculously disappointing at this point.
It’s kind of interesting that they went ahead and did a Trail Sport trim now vs waiting. If they would’ve waited, and included all the actual real off roading goodies, they may have had a big win. But since they did that beforehand, it’s like they’ve just watered down the name. I also don’t know why they did a Pilot version. Maybe there’s a big market for people who like the image of off-roading, and Honda thinks they’ll capitalize on those people. I’m also confused on what HPD is for. Are they going to have a Trail Sport Passport with HPD packages? I love Honda but they need to get organized.
Toyota did the same thing with TRD. I drove a 2008 FJ cruiser TRD. It was just a badge then, but now it actually means something. Well, actually TRD “off-road” is the trim where most Toyota trucks starts getting interesting. Maybe there will be a “Trail Sport Off-road”? Hehe
Didn’t you know? The HPD sticker ads 100 hp and lowers this suspension. And the trail sport sticker ads 10 inches of ground clearance with 90° approach angles.
I want a 4Runner but the Passport seems like a better choice in theory: more interior room, better passing power, better mpg, more advanced features, no third row. Only differences are the lack of 4Low and less towing capacity (not that the 4 Runner has a lot).
I owned a 2020 Passport and I just got a Passport Elite 2023 and I was REALLY hesitant between that and the 4runner. If you plan to go off-road OFTEN, take the Toyota. Otherwise, Passport all the way. By the way, the iVTM-4 works wonders
First of all, great video! Second, most people serious about going off-roading will most likely be doing all kinds of modifications on this very easily, new tires, tow hooks, full spare, real skid plates, and a small lift. Done.
I had a Pilot before my 4Runner and I really liked all the nice storage compartments. Both vehicles were the same length and width, but somehow Honda engineers got more space in their interior. Now if only Honda would make the Passport as good offroad as my 4Runner . . .
I would be interested to see how it does against the Outback Wilderness; but beyond that I think you nailed it one the head saying just wait for if they come out with a true Trailsport model.
I wonder the same. It’s kind of a draw. The Subaru has better ground clearance, and skid plates. The Passport has a traditional automatic which is a huge perk, and better AWD system.
No comparison. Honda is without question the better engineered, more reliable vehicle. The Passport will be on the road while the Subaru is on its 3rd engine and cvt.
Honda's iVTM-4 is very similar to the Acura sh-awd tq vectoring system. It is a full-time awd system that can do 90/10 to 30/70 between front and rear wheels. It can move that 70% rear tq to 100% of either rear wheel as needed. The Honda version is tuned for Utility/Comfort and the Acura system is tuned for more aggressive sporty driving. The PIlot is NOT a 4Runner or Jeep Trailhawk. The Pilot is a weekend warrior vehicle, cruise all day at +80 mph on the hwy, and handle rush hour traffic while returning good mpgs in comfort for +150,000 miles.
I really like the Pilot's complete redesign for 2023, but I have absolutely no need nor want for three rows. I suspect the Passport and Ridgeline will get the same ground-up redesign for 2024. If so, I'll be getting one of them.
Honda's management should change the "tomorrow" to "now". The AWD craze is old, they really need to speed up. Saying that, the Passport is really capable. Just have a look around on YT.
I have those 18" wheels on my 21 Ridgeline. I was disappointed at some of the changes that actually made it even less off road worthy compared to my 08 RL: poorer departure angle(those nice looking dual exhausts hanging down lower) and maybe other angles as well and even less ground clearance, no tow hooks. And they went from 17" to 18" wheels! What were they thinking? With lower gears and the newer iVTM-4, there was a chance at really improving off road ability, but dang they made it worse in a couple of areas. But, they also made it even better on road. So nice and quiet and great ride, and on a 1200 round trip to and up and down the Smoky Mountains, I averaged 24.6 MPG, and on a 2000+ mile trip to and from MN, I got between 26 and 28.3 MPG! I never got over 21, usually less, highway MPG on my 08. So they definitely chose to bias more towards the highway, and when on the highway I love it. But 18" or taller wheels off road is just not the way to go, IMO. I saw a video where a megabuck Land Rover with, I kid you not, 20" wheels( 255/60R-20), blew TWO tires on- one tire and then the full sized spare- on ONE small rock! A fantastic off roader crippled with 20" wheels! Crazy!
All bark and no bite. Puzzled as to why consumers need to be convinced that this is more than just a mall-crawler. Good job marketing department on that slick trail sport badge. At least it will last longer than any domestic off-roader as long as you keep it out of these conditions.
I've taken my Pilot off the beaten path a few times with great success. Love the AWD system. It climbs steep dirt hills with aplomb. It eats silt and sand for breakfast. But I also have AT tires on it so that helps a lot. What I won't do is go rock climbing with my Pilot. As mentioned in this video, low ground clearance, no underbody armor, no full size spare, and no tow points makes this a risky proposition offroad. Technically, I could lift the Pilot a couple of inches, add a full size spare, and skid plates to make it really offroad capable but it would still have one weakness; no tow points. That little eyelet under the front driver side is attached to the subframe and a hard yank would likely tear the whole front end out. The back has no tow points unless you install a tow hitch. But being a unibody that tow hitch wouldn't be rated for much more than 5000 lbs. It's sad because this platform could be so capable with the awesome AWD system and engine/tranny combo. A few design changes and this platform would be so much better than the Subaru Wilderness and right below the 4Runner.
I like the size of the 2023 Passport but might go with the 2023 Pilot Trailsport because of the skid plate, recovery points, trail cam and more rigid body. Wish the Passport Trailsport got those.
My deuce is custom 4x4 front coil spring suspension conversation removed the rear axle shortened the bed and swap the engine for a 6bt cummins and added a overdrive to the deuce stock transmission. 13mpg on highway at 60mph
Reminds of the 2nd Gen Passport.. Good evolution... only wish they didn't skimp out on some of the better off-roading features of the 2nd Gen.. like real thick metal skid plates. I think the Pilot has the skid plates though? Seems like the Pilot is actually the evolution of the original Passports.
Like many have said here, this should come with A/T tires, and for it not to come with a spare to match is a Honda fail. The 1st gen Passport (aka Isuzu Rodeo) had a spare on the tailgate. And yes, tow hooks!
This needs a lift, skid plates, and off road tires. Which they sell and you will have a great vehicle after that. Well that is if you take it off-road, which nobody who’s buying these do, other than 1 percent. People just love off-road look
That washboard section in your test drive was very telling to me, and wish it could be incorporated into more offroad tests. I have a 4Runner like yours that is overkill for my needs, but it can easily handle and smooth out desert washboard trails like that at a decent pace. It looks like this Passport could get me where I want to go, but at a much slower pace, and it would beat me up (and probably the vehicle too) in the process. No thanks. Great Review.
i really thought it was gonna be a little more capable, with more ground clearance and offroad tires, but honda dissapointed just like with the ridgeline. just get the elite or exl
I know this is a bit old. How comfortable did you find the seats now that you've driven these on a couple of occasions? I find many vehicles that I drive have seat bottoms that are too short and after a bit of time my legs start to ache. I'm not that tall either. Subaru of all makers is actually offering manually adjustable seat bottoms but I'm just not into the whole CVT thing. I've been down that road already. Thanks, Guy
A two inch lift and better tires, some underbody armor would do wonders for this vehicle. Being able to sleep in it without any mod’s makes it a serious contender for mild off-road and camping. My only gripe is why does it cost as much as a vehicle with a transfer case, underbody protection and a rear locker?
I absolutely love it...!!! However, some changes are needed. I just HOPE that future iterations of this new model. Particularly the EX-L and up trims allow people to choose the grey leather option on the sonic grey pearl exterior color. For right now from what i've researched only being able to choose from 3 color options; dark blue, silver, and white to get the grey interior leather is VERY limiting. And i think the pairing of grey interior leather with the exterior sonic grey pearl color would be stunning. Having just black too choose from is VERY VERY drab for an interior color option. I also think the grey leather would look stunning on the Trailsport with the orange contrast stitching and badging. It's the main reason i would choose an EX-L over a Trailsport as i simply do not like an all-black interior. And also, Honda needs to offer better options on the EX-L & Elite trims for tire choices. Having just 20in tires with the SUPER awful Continentals is ridiculous. I've read over at the Honda forums that if you want you can go from the OEM 265/45/50 to a 275/45/50 and that will give you a bit more sidewall for blazing non paved trail fire roads etc...And you can still keep your stock OEM rims. But most of all that opens you up too better and more tire choices. Such as an A/T tire like the General Grabber AT3 or the Firestone Destination LE3's. However, hopefully Honda will make these changes themselves so consumers don't have too. It's rather ridiculous of Honda to have a model labeled "Trailsport" but only make it "cosmetically appealing". And really no different than an EX-L or Elite trim. Considering they ALL use the same I-VTM4 AWD system. You can't "off road" Honda on 20in tires that’s just a fact. So either use 18in tires for every model Passport. Or pick a different 20in tire size to broaden people’s choices. It's really not that difficult for them to do. And i'd bet A LOT of folks would agree with me on all of this. So for 2023 please make these changes Honda...!!! Thank you.
More than half the people driving this thing don’t go off road. You know how many 20 year old chicks are driving Jeep wranglers and Toyota 4 runners just for looks? Almost all of them . Truth is I’ve seen this passport tested with the current tires and it does well. It’s a solid looking vehicle with the changes and that sells as well .
Nice review. You are one of the few reviewers who delve into Lane keeping assist. How does Toyota’s lane keeping assist compare to Subaru’s which you are always extolling. My search is down to a Highlander vs an Outback. This is an important feature for me as I often drive from Seattle to San Diego.
Depends on the Toyota version you get. 4Runner, for example, doesn’t have any lane tracing. If you get Toyota Sense 3.0 it’s close to Subarus EyeSight but with a narrower view and not as good in inclement weather.
Me with my 2014 Chevrolet silverado 1500 with the 4.3l v6 wanting a newer vehicle. 😅 I want either one of these or a newer chevy. But that won't happen for a very long time.
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Honda website says 77.7 cu ft cargo space with 2nd row folded. Thats roughly 6.5 ft by 4 ft by 3 ft, that is believable. I see this ~100 cu ft noted in several web sites for awd and 77 for fwd, that makes no sense. Someone planted a bad number somewhere that is getting repeated. A ford expedition has 104 cu ft and is 20 inches longer. While I think Honda has shown amazing cargo space efficiency compared to exterior dimensions, this would be magic.
If honda adds this an at least 9`` of ground clearence, proper skid plates, better tires and maybe even a hybrid is the day when i will rush to the honda dealer to order it.
Ryan, Is this the Passport Trailsport Trail Edition or Sport Edition or both? BTW the eternal virtues of sidewall may never have been more clearly illustrated in a TH-cam video.
@@drivingsports Why do I get the feeling this name will be updated shortly when the more trail-worthy variants arrive. Honda Passport Trailworthy Edition®
Great review of a good vehicle, but you are going too easy on Honda. A badge package isn't an indication of good things to come. It's a rip-off and another clear sign (like the Ridgeline) that Honda didn't care enough to do their homework.
Hi there is just me? Honda passport is some what similar size and kinda shape with Honda odysseys minivan. Not exact same but you kinda can see the image front and side how do you think? Thanks for the always best reviews!
Depends on the conditions. Subarus have a big issue with poor approach angle. But X-Mode is quite good. It's really a lot of give/take between the two. Very close.
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Thanks for doing the "can you sleep in it" test. Please do that for all SUV's and crossovers. Move the front seat all the way forward and fully upright for the smaller ones. The gap can be filled pretty easily and the real question is whether a 6 foot tall person has room to lie down flat. The manufacturer never says and I'll bet a lot of your viewers want to know. Cubic foot capacity or how many carry-on bags it will hold doesn't give you the same information.
One of the first questions I have. Mine would be basically an ad hoc camper.
If I can’t do it without moving any seats I don’t want it. Nope.
Lazy
My Husband just bought me one of these tonight. When it was new Dealership had it lifted and put bigger more aggressive wheels and tires on it They also put skid plates underneath. Apparently they agree that it needs the changes you mentioned. 🤗 Can't wait to start playing with my new rig.
This vehicle is fantastic in snow and ice. The snow storm that shut down 95 and northern VA, gave me a chance to test this is bad weather. Even at 14 inches of snow and 1-3 inches of ice was zero issues.
I think people forget most buyers will use this vehicle as a daily driver and occasionally for light off-roading, so it's adequate for its intended purpose.
Good video Ryan! I was waiting for this one! One thing about ground clearance is that “maximum” clearance starts getting more important on the technical stuff. The Passport has 8.1” of minimum and 12.5” of at the pinch weld / rocker panel. A Subaru Ascent has 8.7” min / 9.0” max and a Subaru Outback wilderness has 9.5” / 11.5”. This clearance is so incredibly important because the tires line up with the rocker panel after you drive up something like a Boulder. This allows a Stock Passport to overcome a 9 inch Boulder without body damage. It has the 20.4:1 crawl ratio with a real automatic transmission to slowly crawl up the above mentioned obstacle. **Because the way a CVT operates and non aggressive gearing, a Subaru Outback wilderness would need to use momentum. Also, because the lack of maximum clearance (or rocker clearance, as I like to cal it) the OBW would make damaging contact with the boulder**.
My Honda Passport has a 3.5” lift with 32.1” tires. I have 12” of minimum clearance and 16” of maximum clearance, which proves the Trail Sport trim could have a lot of potential! The Subaru Outback wilderness is capped at around 10-10.5”. A friend lifted his OBW 2” and only benefited from another inch min clearance. The geometry of the subaru global platform chassis just doesn’t allow to take advantage of a larger lift.
Will the future Honda Trailsports have 12 inches of minimum ground clearance? I have no idea, but that sure would be awesome!!!! I’d love to see the trailsport, or any other iVTM4 equipped AWD on your test hill. If you can’t find one, I’ll drive all the way up there (from California).
The trail sport doesn’t have any different cleanses and mechanical, right? It’s a visual package. All trim levels have the same capacity.
@@richeyrich2203 for 2022, that is correct. The Pilot goes from 7.3" clearance to 8.1" and all trailsports come with an option for 18 inch wheels. Everything is mechanically the same, so you can pick up a 2019 Passport Sport AWD and have the same capabilities. 20.4:1 crawl ratio and the twin clutch rear diff.
@JonDZ. A dealership in my area is offering the Passport TS for just under 43,000. Is this a good deal? I told the sales guy I'd ponder his offer.
@@terence4427 all the Passport trims are mechanically the same. So you could get a Sport model with AWD and it would drive anywhere the trailsport would go. Just make sure to downsize the wheels from 20” to either 17” or 18”. More side wall = less chance to get a flat tire and the ability to air down more to increase traction and articulation
@@JonDZ_Adventuring . Thanks!
This is the best car ever in my book. Practical, capable, reliable, powerful, and safe. Pretty hard to find an SUV with a 250hp+ engine with no turbocharger, non-hybrid, with a conventional automatic transmission and AWD, especially from a good Japanese brand.
I drive a Land Rover with its legendary computerized 4WD system and I also own a latest-model-year Honda Pilot. I have to admit I have been really impressed with the Honda torque vectoring system. I’ve always been a little bummed out knowing Honda could easily create a very solid off roader even without formal mechanically locking setups. They would easily take a chunk out of Subaru’s market share if they tried. Maybe one day…
I agree, Bronco Sport has similar vectoring axle, but they were just little more serious about off road and added manual clutch closing buttons for center and rear... i like the ivtm4 and sh awd additional accelerator to achieve faster spinning rear wheels, but the off road focus is not as prominent
Same here.. and your 1000% CORRECT!!!
Subarus are crap with cvt anyways a proper slush box will transfer all that power to the wheels properly especially when these crossovers doesn't have low range even nissan realized that with the new pathfinder.
honda is miles ahead of subaru. subaru is a 3rd tier japanese manufacturer. toyota and honda are the premier japanese car makers.
The product planners in California are people that are out of touch and too stuck up. I know from experience
The "can you sleep in it" segment is often overlooked in car reviews. Thanks for that!
I have the Honda Ridgeline and I put a 2 inch lift on it and some falcon wild peak at3 A/T tires. That helped it alot it's not to bad on the trails.
Same 👍🏻 I was hoping to swap my front struts out for passport ones because then I would have more actually shock rather than spacers but the strut top is more like the pilot. Honda has so much potential and no aftermarket support.
Dude your videos. There's nothing else like them on youtube that I've seen. It's always entertaining with you lol. We all love it.
I was at the Honda release of the Rugged Roads Project and spoke to Honda reps about this. They know this model needs more support but it seems to me like they are so far down with the next model that the best they could do was the TrailsSport trim. They get it. It was a big deal that they came to Overland Expo West. Toyota didn't bother to show up...
LOL That ending. Love it. Keep up the wonderful content. I hope Honda didn't give you too much trouble. Full size spare is a must it seems for off-road.
This feels like what the forester would be, if it didn't have a cvt. Honda is weird. The CR-V has like the worst awd ever , but the passport as far as AWD goes is rather fantastic, and It was my friend Jon dz that sold me on it. I like these. I have a lifted Cherokee trailhawk on mts, but came from previous gen outbacks so I have a soft spot for normal awd vehicles. And I have grown to respect the passport a lot
I took same road as you with my 2021passport ex-l awd couple months ago and i was surprised how good this car performed, the best midsize suv for both world by far
Wow, why would honda call something a trailsport and then not slap some AT tires on it, at least some mild all-terrains would be great nothing to crazy
Wildpeak AT Trail would have been perfect for this application. Or the same Geolandars that the Wilderness gets.
Most people aren’t driving this thing off road, they’re into the aesthetics.
Well I say this is the best Passport TrailSport review. Well Tested imo and its a good lesson for Honda to include a full size spare tire if this is a "Trailsport". I don't mind not having A/T tires to save cost and owners can always buy A/T tires. As for the emergency communication on trails maybe having Garmin Inreach would be a great tool. I have the 11.95/mo plan which is ideal for me.
We actually do keep a Garmin Inreach with us at all times. We didn't ever get to *that* level of emergency.
@@drivingsports so far my use of inReach is to send the location and status to my wife where me and kiddo at.. LoL. Mrs doesn't like trail runs, She says it raise her blood pressure and make me panic on technical areas as well.
After my run through Death Valley last year, my wife insisted I carry one. -RD
Agree! Should have full size spare tire. This would also make the cargo floor at roughly the same elevation with the 2nd row seats when folded down. By then, it would be more comfortable/convenient to sleep in it.
It is very still practical and capable enough in its current design for daily driving and weekend excursions. This is in my 2nd spot (1st is the new Tundra) if I would buy a vehicle.
@@autostechnos6432 I've been thinking about waiting for the twin turbo hybrid that should be available shortly to purchase. Even Subaru Wilderness line is on the same line of this Passport with more ground clearance and Subi seem to have lot of aftermarket support when it comes to skids and lockers / limited slip diffs. But the CVT is killing it imo. I think Bronco sport is also same class big contender. I don't know if Rav4 TRD can compete or not with its new AWD system.
Looking around for my next car - but honestly I keep coming back to this video and the Passport.
Nice video. Looks like Honda listened to you and putting the things you mention (tires, under carriage support, more clearance) in their Pilot. Hopefully they can do the same with 2023 Passport.
I’m so glad the passport is selling well and not going away. I love the new front end!
Selling well means they will raise prices and people will fight for them! 😂😂😂😂😂
Not selling as well as others though. Which means you can get discounts on these. Most people are buying Kias instead for all the tech and 100k warranty.
So Honda is only selling 1/3 of the passports compared to the competitors. So they need to move the Passports at discount.
Have been looking up cars for the last month. Every time I search what I’m looking for your amazing videos come up. Thank you 🙏🏻
The lack of more trailworthy tires, a full size spare, and extra ground clearance is disappointing, as is the lack of tow hooks.
I would wait until they have at least a little lift, a full size spare and tow hooks as tire choice depends on the type of driving it would be used for.
The tires don't fit the adventure. Its like going hiking with sneakers on instead of mountain boots.
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You can get 5k off on these because everyone is buying the Kia’s. Use that 5k to buy tires, skid plates, and a lift.
Ivtm4 is one of the best awd system on the marked. Impressive engine performance as well.
I thought Subaru had one of the best awd systems
Best 'real life offroad' review I've ever seen! Those dang rocks just come out of nowhere! I've offroad'ed my previous MDX with A/T tires and ended up the same way. It happens. That being said, Trail Sport edition absolutely needs a Full Size Spare Tire. Moreover, for anybody considering a Subaru with a CVT transmission, there is no contest. Continuous Variable Trash (Admittedly not as bad as Jatco). They need to develop an 8 to 10 speed automatic asap, and setup a 'crawl ratio' at least as good as this Passport. Here's hoping they can redesign the body to squeeze in 33" skinny tires. This would do so much more than a suspension lift.
My same complaint about my wife's Crosstrek...if the CVT had a legit 1st gear then CVT like the Corolla's it'd be something amazing.
That Trailsport badge adds at least 10 inches of clearance with infinite approach and departure angles. An extra 200 hp and worth at least 3 1/2 beans and 4 1/2 penguins.
That’s sticker power
Thanks for your review...I am very happy when reviewers don't add what they want or wish was offered when they have no intention to buy Honda they review, because us customers are happy with what we get and sometimes would like more, but would rather reliability on what we get.
Thanks for the review! The passport needs 9.5 inches of ground clearance, better approach and departure, brake over. With all of that, plus a bit more like bumping up "Torque" and "HP"this will be the new big boy in town! Sucks Honda is moving so slow right now. I’ll be patiently waiting as I just got the 2.0t accord.
They also need to add AWD to the accord’s. I honestly don’t think it would do anything to Acura sales…. It’s ridiculously disappointing at this point.
Gosh, I love th9s channel! No other youtuber would do stuff like this
Hopefully Honda increases ground clearance etc to make this an absolutely amazing off road machine and an incredible daily driver
8:50 - "Down the road, will Honda add extra elements..." i see what you did there! It's too bad they don't bring back the element
It’s kind of interesting that they went ahead and did a Trail Sport trim now vs waiting. If they would’ve waited, and included all the actual real off roading goodies, they may have had a big win. But since they did that beforehand, it’s like they’ve just watered down the name. I also don’t know why they did a Pilot version.
Maybe there’s a big market for people who like the image of off-roading, and Honda thinks they’ll capitalize on those people.
I’m also confused on what HPD is for. Are they going to have a Trail Sport Passport with HPD packages? I love Honda but they need to get organized.
It’s like they wanted to jump on the band wagon without actually offering any hardware 🤨
Toyota did the same thing with TRD. I drove a 2008 FJ cruiser TRD. It was just a badge then, but now it actually means something. Well, actually TRD “off-road” is the trim where most Toyota trucks starts getting interesting. Maybe there will be a “Trail Sport Off-road”? Hehe
Didn’t you know? The HPD sticker ads 100 hp and lowers this suspension. And the trail sport sticker ads 10 inches of ground clearance with 90° approach angles.
Uuuuufff that hurt in the end. Great vid!
Good tire changing tips, sometimes people may forget these simple things. Great job clinched pretty hard during that wrong hit
I want a 4Runner but the Passport seems like a better choice in theory: more interior room, better passing power, better mpg, more advanced features, no third row. Only differences are the lack of 4Low and less towing capacity (not that the 4 Runner has a lot).
I owned a 2020 Passport and I just got a Passport Elite 2023 and I was REALLY hesitant between that and the 4runner. If you plan to go off-road OFTEN, take the Toyota. Otherwise, Passport all the way. By the way, the iVTM-4 works wonders
$43000 wow.
The only red flags for me are the small screen and also the ground clearance could be better. I think apart from that... this looks fantastic
I didn't even know this model was made. I like it, I would have crossed shopped it when I bought my Forester last year.
Great review. I really appreciate watching your videos.
the tire of shame. Great video.
Thanks for including that ending
For low to mid 40’s this a great SUV…..wife purchased a 2022 EX-L and the dealer is adding a heated steering
Not quite ready for primetime, but there are aftermarket products that will bring it closer to what you want it to do.
First of all, great video! Second, most people serious about going off-roading will most likely be doing all kinds of modifications on this very easily, new tires, tow hooks, full spare, real skid plates, and a small lift. Done.
I had a Pilot before my 4Runner and I really liked all the nice storage compartments. Both vehicles were the same length and width, but somehow Honda engineers got more space in their interior. Now if only Honda would make the Passport as good offroad as my 4Runner . . .
JonDZ Adventuring is having a blast in this vehicle and is really demonstrating what this is capable of.
I absolutely love it...!!! However, some changes are needed.
I would be interested to see how it does against the Outback Wilderness; but beyond that I think you nailed it one the head saying just wait for if they come out with a true Trailsport model.
I wonder the same. It’s kind of a draw. The Subaru has better ground clearance, and skid plates. The Passport has a traditional automatic which is a huge perk, and better AWD system.
No comparison. Honda is without question the better engineered, more reliable vehicle. The Passport will be on the road while the Subaru is on its 3rd engine and cvt.
Subaru with CVT is a joke.
@@haroldbeauchamp3770True. Subaru engines and CVT are not built for longevity.
A Passport, like the Pilot and Ridgeline are just another Odyssey in a different suit. 🤪🤣🤣
Legit Honda designers don’t have artistic imagination whatsoever. Also nice coloring on your videos Ryan!
Hats off for not making a click baitey title for the ending
“You won’t believe what happens next… near DEATH experience ☠️… will they survive the punishing desert?!?” 😂
I really like this car because it is a fair opponent for the forester not too much like t 4runner and not less like the sportage or the outlander
That is one of my favorite car in black color looks really nice.
Honda's iVTM-4 is very similar to the Acura sh-awd tq vectoring system. It is a full-time awd system that can do 90/10 to 30/70 between front and rear wheels. It can move that 70% rear tq to 100% of either rear wheel as needed. The Honda version is tuned for Utility/Comfort and the Acura system is tuned for more aggressive sporty driving. The PIlot is NOT a 4Runner or Jeep Trailhawk. The Pilot is a weekend warrior vehicle, cruise all day at +80 mph on the hwy, and handle rush hour traffic while returning good mpgs in comfort for +150,000 miles.
Would love to see a review of the 2023 version of this and the Pilot. Strongly considering the Pilot over Sequoia for full size, off-road capable SUV
I really like the Pilot's complete redesign for 2023, but I have absolutely no need nor want for three rows. I suspect the Passport and Ridgeline will get the same ground-up redesign for 2024. If so, I'll be getting one of them.
Honda's management should change the "tomorrow" to "now". The AWD craze is old, they really need to speed up.
Saying that, the Passport is really capable. Just have a look around on YT.
Thanks for your review , you are amazing.
I have those 18" wheels on my 21 Ridgeline. I was disappointed at some of the changes that actually made it even less off road worthy compared to my 08 RL: poorer departure angle(those nice looking dual exhausts hanging down lower) and maybe other angles as well and even less ground clearance, no tow hooks. And they went from 17" to 18" wheels! What were they thinking? With lower gears and the newer iVTM-4, there was a chance at really improving off road ability, but dang they made it worse in a couple of areas. But, they also made it even better on road. So nice and quiet and great ride, and on a 1200 round trip to and up and down the Smoky Mountains, I averaged 24.6 MPG, and on a 2000+ mile trip to and from MN, I got between 26 and 28.3 MPG! I never got over 21, usually less, highway MPG on my 08. So they definitely chose to bias more towards the highway, and when on the highway I love it. But 18" or taller wheels off road is just not the way to go, IMO. I saw a video where a megabuck Land Rover with, I kid you not, 20" wheels( 255/60R-20), blew TWO tires on- one tire and then the full sized spare- on ONE small rock! A fantastic off roader crippled with 20" wheels! Crazy!
Exhaust tips will self clearance, and you get cool oval shaped tips!
All bark and no bite. Puzzled as to why consumers need to be convinced that this is more than just a mall-crawler. Good job marketing department on that slick trail sport badge. At least it will last longer than any domestic off-roader as long as you keep it out of these conditions.
Would be much better off getting the EX-L trim and adding skid plates, a minor lift kit, and real AT tires/wheels.
i agree, they should keep screens screens and put volume buttons or other knobs onto separate areas right below, to the side anything
I've taken my Pilot off the beaten path a few times with great success. Love the AWD system. It climbs steep dirt hills with aplomb. It eats silt and sand for breakfast. But I also have AT tires on it so that helps a lot. What I won't do is go rock climbing with my Pilot. As mentioned in this video, low ground clearance, no underbody armor, no full size spare, and no tow points makes this a risky proposition offroad.
Technically, I could lift the Pilot a couple of inches, add a full size spare, and skid plates to make it really offroad capable but it would still have one weakness; no tow points. That little eyelet under the front driver side is attached to the subframe and a hard yank would likely tear the whole front end out. The back has no tow points unless you install a tow hitch. But being a unibody that tow hitch wouldn't be rated for much more than 5000 lbs.
It's sad because this platform could be so capable with the awesome AWD system and engine/tranny combo. A few design changes and this platform would be so much better than the Subaru Wilderness and right below the 4Runner.
I like the size of the 2023 Passport but might go with the 2023 Pilot Trailsport because of the skid plate, recovery points, trail cam and more rigid body. Wish the Passport Trailsport got those.
This is my favorite suv
My deuce is custom 4x4 front coil spring suspension conversation removed the rear axle shortened the bed and swap the engine for a 6bt cummins and added a overdrive to the deuce stock transmission. 13mpg on highway at 60mph
I agree on that interior; it’s nice but the infotainment system really seems tiny and out of place for that spacious design
This was rougher terrain that most jeeps will ever see these days.
Reminds of the 2nd Gen Passport.. Good evolution... only wish they didn't skimp out on some of the better off-roading features of the 2nd Gen.. like real thick metal skid plates. I think the Pilot has the skid plates though? Seems like the Pilot is actually the evolution of the original Passports.
Like many have said here, this should come with A/T tires, and for it not to come with a spare to match is a Honda fail. The 1st gen Passport (aka Isuzu Rodeo) had a spare on the tailgate. And yes, tow hooks!
This needs a lift, skid plates, and off road tires. Which they sell and you will have a great vehicle after that. Well that is if you take it off-road, which nobody who’s buying these do, other than 1 percent.
People just love off-road look
hows the turnin radius?
You could buy a 4runner trd off-road with kdss for the same price.
Pretty impressive AWD system but simply not enough ground clearance. What were they thinking?
That washboard section in your test drive was very telling to me, and wish it could be incorporated into more offroad tests. I have a 4Runner like yours that is overkill for my needs, but it can easily handle and smooth out desert washboard trails like that at a decent pace. It looks like this Passport could get me where I want to go, but at a much slower pace, and it would beat me up (and probably the vehicle too) in the process. No thanks. Great Review.
i really thought it was gonna be a little more capable, with more ground clearance and offroad tires, but honda dissapointed just like with the ridgeline. just get the elite or exl
I know this is a bit old. How comfortable did you find the seats now that you've driven these on a couple of occasions? I find many vehicles that I drive have seat bottoms that are too short and after a bit of time my legs start to ache. I'm not that tall either. Subaru of all makers is actually offering manually adjustable seat bottoms but I'm just not into the whole CVT thing. I've been down that road already.
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A two inch lift and better tires, some underbody armor would do wonders for this vehicle.
Being able to sleep in it without any mod’s makes it a serious contender for mild off-road and camping.
My only gripe is why does it cost as much as a vehicle with a transfer case, underbody protection and a rear locker?
LOL at that spare tire moment !! 🙃That 46k is a lot more than my onyx was and I'm not sure you get more....
I absolutely love it...!!! However, some changes are needed. I just HOPE that future iterations of this new model. Particularly the EX-L and up trims allow people to choose the grey leather option on the sonic grey pearl exterior color. For right now from what i've researched only being able to choose from 3 color options; dark blue, silver, and white to get the grey interior leather is VERY limiting. And i think the pairing of grey interior leather with the exterior sonic grey pearl color would be stunning. Having just black too choose from is VERY VERY drab for an interior color option. I also think the grey leather would look stunning on the Trailsport with the orange contrast stitching and badging. It's the main reason i would choose an EX-L over a Trailsport as i simply do not like an all-black interior. And also, Honda needs to offer better options on the EX-L & Elite trims for tire choices. Having just 20in tires with the SUPER awful Continentals is ridiculous. I've read over at the Honda forums that if you want you can go from the OEM 265/45/50 to a 275/45/50 and that will give you a bit more sidewall for blazing non paved trail fire roads etc...And you can still keep your stock OEM rims. But most of all that opens you up too better and more tire choices. Such as an A/T tire like the General Grabber AT3 or the Firestone Destination LE3's. However, hopefully Honda will make these changes themselves so consumers don't have too. It's rather ridiculous of Honda to have a model labeled "Trailsport" but only make it "cosmetically appealing". And really no different than an EX-L or Elite trim. Considering they ALL use the same I-VTM4 AWD system. You can't "off road" Honda on 20in tires that’s just a fact. So either use 18in tires for every model Passport. Or pick a different 20in tire size to broaden people’s choices. It's really not that difficult for them to do. And i'd bet A LOT of folks would agree with me on all of this. So for 2023 please make these changes Honda...!!! Thank you.
More than half the people driving this thing don’t go off road. You know how many 20 year old chicks are driving Jeep wranglers and Toyota 4 runners just for looks? Almost all of them .
Truth is I’ve seen this passport tested with the current tires and it does well. It’s a solid looking vehicle with the changes and that sells as well .
Can you please do a off-road review of 2019-2023 Acura rdx?
Nice review. You are one of the few reviewers who delve into Lane keeping assist. How does Toyota’s lane keeping assist compare to Subaru’s which you are always extolling. My search is down to a Highlander vs an Outback. This is an important feature for me as I often drive from Seattle to San Diego.
Depends on the Toyota version you get. 4Runner, for example, doesn’t have any lane tracing. If you get Toyota Sense 3.0 it’s close to Subarus EyeSight but with a narrower view and not as good in inclement weather.
Both of those should be great for the trip.
I want a Trailsport with all the interior upgrades of the Elite.
The trail wrecker strikes again! Hope for better luck and less carnage in 2022!
Great video
nice review
Me with my 2014 Chevrolet silverado 1500 with the 4.3l v6 wanting a newer vehicle. 😅 I want either one of these or a newer chevy. But that won't happen for a very long time.
How does the Passport Trailsport compare to Forester / Outback Wilderness on snow?
Nice video ! Good vehicle !
Will you do a video on Honda Odyssey pretty please?
Oh shit! That tire got it real good.
Awesome review on the Honda. I think I'll pass and go back to looking at the 4 Runner....Thanks a lot..
They could've called it the ISUZU TROOPER for anyone who got the reference.
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Pretty good off roading ability for a mall crawler.
Honda website says 77.7 cu ft cargo space with 2nd row folded. Thats roughly 6.5 ft by 4 ft by 3 ft, that is believable. I see this ~100 cu ft noted in several web sites for awd and 77 for fwd, that makes no sense. Someone planted a bad number somewhere that is getting repeated. A ford expedition has 104 cu ft and is 20 inches longer. While I think Honda has shown amazing cargo space efficiency compared to exterior dimensions, this would be magic.
this review proved that Honda needs bigger and stronger tires for this suv///
If honda adds this an at least 9`` of ground clearence, proper skid plates, better tires and maybe even a hybrid is the day when i will rush to the honda dealer to order it.
It should had 18 wheels from the beginning. 20 inch weren't needed!!
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Ryan, Is this the Passport Trailsport Trail Edition or Sport Edition or both? BTW the eternal virtues of sidewall may never have been more clearly illustrated in a TH-cam video.
There is only a Passport TrailSport edition. No sub-version. Trim level under Elite.
@@drivingsports Why do I get the feeling this name will be updated shortly when the more trail-worthy variants arrive. Honda Passport Trailworthy Edition®
Great review of a good vehicle, but you are going too easy on Honda. A badge package isn't an indication of good things to come. It's a rip-off and another clear sign (like the Ridgeline) that Honda didn't care enough to do their homework.
We've seen what's coming. They get it, they just need time. If they honestly thought this trim version was the pinnacle, we'd be a little harsher.
Kinda like Subaru and their shitacular products.
@@haroldbeauchamp3770 No, nothing like that.
The taillights need some serious upgrade.
In addition, the volume button needs to be placed in a different location: don't like it much in the screen.
Hi there is just me? Honda passport is some what similar size and kinda shape with Honda odysseys minivan. Not exact same but you kinda can see the image front and side how do you think?
Thanks for the always best reviews!
It’s been the complaint for a long time with Pilot and Passport. The 2023 Pilot mostly fixed that. Passport not yet updated.
I love your content. No one else really tests crossovers off road. Question. How does the Passport compare off-road to a Subaru Ascent or Outback?
Depends on the conditions. Subarus have a big issue with poor approach angle. But X-Mode is quite good. It's really a lot of give/take between the two. Very close.