S+ got a double at Pity but the rest was full Pity there is a problem somewhere. Also it just sucks that the pity is that high when you need 8 copies of a character to unlock their full potential
Because there is a working theory that the pity's are included in the rates. Ie, the ACTUAL S rate is 0.5% or something, but counting the pity every brings it to 3%. And the ACTUAL A rate is like 5% and the pity brings it to 15%, or whatever it is. I'm making up the numbers, but that's the idea. Which would be dirty and intentionally obtuse, as a normal person would look at the rates assume that they are the odds, and the pity isn't included.
Yeah, only 1 A rate outside of 10-pull pity is really sus. I heard issues about rates, but only after I pulled on the rate-up for the first time I truly understood what people meant.
@@TheMrg59 That would not work in the case of Rate-up banner A-rank rates, since you get guaranteed A-rate every 10-pulls which equals 10%, but in the video you get 2 at the same time. And that's even worse, since this would mean they put whatever numbers they want here, since neither rate makes sense.
@@1vyexe Yeah the fact that I have been saving since the vala banner and mind you I am a spender yet somehow had to use all my savings to get her to S+, it is just wild both the rates and the lack of pulls 😂
Full pity for me to get her to S+. 280 pulls without hitting that 3% chance. Which has a 1 in 20 chance of happening. But from the sounds of it, it happened to a lot more than 1 in 20 people that went for it.
@Zeeebo can you make a guide on the best teams for the current battle drills? I feel like the teams I’m used just isn’t cutting it and I don’t want to experiment and waste the stamina
210 pulls 7 Lily. One of my 10pull i got one Lily without A-lvl or 30acorns. This happened to me on standard banner as well. I got Vala, without the purple stuff. I took a screenshot of this.
I'd be curious how many A-Levels you'd actually get if you didn't do 10 pulls, since you're guaranteed 1 for a full 10 pull. The rates are definitely FeelsBad.
same 6 pity and 1 was at 38 pulls. Basically almost 7 out of 7 pity xd (to get her S+ one was from the event) Not even in the stargazer Im this unlucky lol
Yep . Those "rates" are definitely not accurate lol. They want you to buy the bonus/limited packs. And I feel like they also shadow nerfed the rates to make everyone who've been saving their pulls to go full pity all the way to s+ lol
Had 230 tickets saved up. Never once beat a pity. Managed to used all 230 tickets and 9k gems to S+. I only got double purples a handful of times. Most 10 pulls were single purples.
FOR SCIENCE~! I only got her early twice while pulling just enough for S+ with that one additional copy from event. One was from 30 pulls and another from 10 pulls. Everything else went into pity with no dupes. This has been my experience for every S level rate up banner I've pulled in.
10 pull guarantees at least 1 A Tier character, unless you pulled a pity S tier which means A tier is not guaranteed . You definitely didn't hit the mark with those A tiers. Again we're checking a fairly small pull base but its exactly what I got too, so it seems consistent with other people.
It seems like that 3% is the combined rate including the base rate + pity. The chance of summoning on each pull would then be something like 0.8% per pull not including pity. If this is the case and my sim was correct then 72.5% of the time you expect to hit the pity or 27.5% of the time you will pull early. If it was 3% base rate that would mean about 70% of the time you beat pity.
Rate up banner has the harshest rate (even worse than stargazer), which is why you shouldn't pull for literally everyone if money is a concern. It is still better than standard/epic banner as you can estimate how many letters are needed to pull 1 character to a specific ascension, while you cannot do that with standard/epic.
So i pull for her. 280 summons, 7 pitty, only 1 A off 10 pull pitty and even worst 2 multi with my lily may pitty was without anything else ( no A, no epic acorn ...), and got 3 time epic acorn. Look rigged to me.
I beat pity 3/7 times when pulling for her, this should not be considered lucky with these rates. Still didn't feel good either, players shouldn't have to get lucky just to get one or two early copies early. Least they could do is throw in that rates include pity which is basically confirmed at this point.
Believe me or not (*I still have her at s+ even if you don't believe me so idc*) I got her to S+ with only 120 pulls!!! Last 2 copies was insane I hit a pity and got her again with a single pull from the event!!!
I’m not sure what players were expecting. It’s a slot machine with a guarantee at 40. Unlike other gatcha games there is no “soft pity that increases” before the hard pity is reached. Would you rather have hard pity at 60 and chance starts to slowly increase at 40 or simply get it at 40? Pick your poison
they included the pity chance on the calculation for the 3% chance. to my estimation you only have 0.5% chance to get the rate up character without the pity.
I got 3 copies in 1 pull of Lily May, its the first time I’ve done this kind of pull, and I got another pull slightly early (the 3 pull was also early) so I think its just a matter of bad luck for some, but Ive had bad luck for months before this, so i feel there might be a balance, if you have had insane luck earlier, then maybe not now and vice versa.
For some reason, the team with Temesia, Marilee and Kruger seems to be working better than replacing Lily with one of them. Haven’t tried to remove Thoran or Reinier to miss out on damage sponge and debuffs
@@Xeraphime13 pretty good ≠ meta tho xD so far she is meta in 1 pre-season boss and 1 seasonal boss.. everyone hopes the seasonal bosses will become permanent but we didnt get any confirmation yet
S+ got a double at Pity but the rest was full Pity there is a problem somewhere. Also it just sucks that the pity is that high when you need 8 copies of a character to unlock their full potential
i don't know why you were counting guaranteed A pulls for the purpuses of rates, but yeah overall these are "don't play the game" levels of bad
Because there is a working theory that the pity's are included in the rates. Ie, the ACTUAL S rate is 0.5% or something, but counting the pity every brings it to 3%. And the ACTUAL A rate is like 5% and the pity brings it to 15%, or whatever it is. I'm making up the numbers, but that's the idea. Which would be dirty and intentionally obtuse, as a normal person would look at the rates assume that they are the odds, and the pity isn't included.
Yeah, only 1 A rate outside of 10-pull pity is really sus. I heard issues about rates, but only after I pulled on the rate-up for the first time I truly understood what people meant.
@@TheMrg59 That would not work in the case of Rate-up banner A-rank rates, since you get guaranteed A-rate every 10-pulls which equals 10%, but in the video you get 2 at the same time. And that's even worse, since this would mean they put whatever numbers they want here, since neither rate makes sense.
Lily May, Paragon 1, full pity reporting in!
p2 all pity 🫡
I got her to S+ full pity it was very painful 😂
same here I feel like they changed something with the rates all the other rate ups were never this unlucky
@@1vyexe Yeah the fact that I have been saving since the vala banner and mind you I am a spender yet somehow had to use all my savings to get her to S+, it is just wild both the rates and the lack of pulls 😂
same lol rigged
118 Rate up Puls and 36k diamonds to get her on Supreme+. 1 pull after pitty. Rest pitty
Full pity for me to get her to S+. 280 pulls without hitting that 3% chance. Which has a 1 in 20 chance of happening. But from the sounds of it, it happened to a lot more than 1 in 20 people that went for it.
@Zeeebo can you make a guide on the best teams for the current battle drills? I feel like the teams I’m used just isn’t cutting it and I don’t want to experiment and waste the stamina
3 accounts all full pity. Early doesn't exist for me.
My condolences
210 pulls 7 Lily. One of my 10pull i got one Lily without A-lvl or 30acorns. This happened to me on standard banner as well. I got Vala, without the purple stuff. I took a screenshot of this.
Half of the fun in these games are saving up recruitment tickets to pull an s lvl char. But with the pity this bad I rather not play this game.
I'd be curious how many A-Levels you'd actually get if you didn't do 10 pulls, since you're guaranteed 1 for a full 10 pull. The rates are definitely FeelsBad.
We experiment next time
It doesn't matter wheter you do 10 or single pull.
same 6 pity and 1 was at 38 pulls. Basically almost 7 out of 7 pity xd (to get her S+ one was from the event)
Not even in the stargazer Im this unlucky lol
Never got anything early, always full pity. The same with scamgazers.
Yep . Those "rates" are definitely not accurate lol. They want you to buy the bonus/limited packs. And I feel like they also shadow nerfed the rates to make everyone who've been saving their pulls to go full pity all the way to s+ lol
11 copies and all pity.
no its not rigged, its just rigged AF!
You forget something here, when you make a 10pulls, you "pitty" an A caracter so that change think about your A rate up
Oh yeah u are right
Had 230 tickets saved up. Never once beat a pity. Managed to used all 230 tickets and 9k gems to S+. I only got double purples a handful of times. Most 10 pulls were single purples.
I went S+ full pity 100% in all copies. It felt super rigged.
FOR SCIENCE~! I only got her early twice while pulling just enough for S+ with that one additional copy from event. One was from 30 pulls and another from 10 pulls. Everything else went into pity with no dupes. This has been my experience for every S level rate up banner I've pulled in.
S+, full pity, someone in my guild got a tripple tho. surely my next rate up will be better, right?
10 pull guarantees at least 1 A Tier character, unless you pulled a pity S tier which means A tier is not guaranteed .
You definitely didn't hit the mark with those A tiers.
Again we're checking a fairly small pull base but its exactly what I got too, so it seems consistent with other people.
Ive gotten 2 S characters within 20 epic pulls
Yeah rate up and normal banner are complete bs and rigged 😂
I got lily may to S+ with 180 pulls, but I beat pity a couple of times and we also got her free copy
It seems like that 3% is the combined rate including the base rate + pity. The chance of summoning on each pull would then be something like 0.8% per pull not including pity. If this is the case and my sim was correct then 72.5% of the time you expect to hit the pity or 27.5% of the time you will pull early. If it was 3% base rate that would mean about 70% of the time you beat pity.
Would be cool this way
I hit all the pity on her banner. I just got 1 early pull on 30th pull
I summoned for 16 copies and 15 times full pity. It’s insane!!
The whole thing is a scam lol. Imagine getting more 5x temporal essence from scamgazer than cele/hypo
Rate up banner has the harshest rate (even worse than stargazer), which is why you shouldn't pull for literally everyone if money is a concern.
It is still better than standard/epic banner as you can estimate how many letters are needed to pull 1 character to a specific ascension, while you cannot do that with standard/epic.
200 pulls is like 60k gems. Tough ask for most if you haven't been saving for a little while. The pity pulls are savage on rate up.
118 Rate up Tickets + 36k diamonds to get her to Supreme+. All pity besides 1 early
Full pity here also 😢
So i pull for her. 280 summons, 7 pitty, only 1 A off 10 pull pitty and even worst 2 multi with my lily may pitty was without anything else ( no A, no epic acorn ...), and got 3 time epic acorn. Look rigged to me.
I beat pity 3/7 times when pulling for her, this should not be considered lucky with these rates. Still didn't feel good either, players shouldn't have to get lucky just to get one or two early copies early. Least they could do is throw in that rates include pity which is basically confirmed at this point.
Believe me or not (*I still have her at s+ even if you don't believe me so idc*)
I got her to S+ with only 120 pulls!!!
Last 2 copies was insane I hit a pity and got her again with a single pull from the event!!!
three times hard pity. 30 away from the next pity.
I’m not sure what players were expecting. It’s a slot machine with a guarantee at 40. Unlike other gatcha games there is no “soft pity that increases” before the hard pity is reached. Would you rather have hard pity at 60 and chance starts to slowly increase at 40 or simply get it at 40? Pick your poison
you need 1 copy in other games, you need 8 copies in this game.
full pity for all limited banners, there is something wrong
feels like this banner rate up harder
max pitty every time painge
Expensive 😞
was getting lucky, until the legendary+ pack pops up. since that pack pops up, i did not buy it, its all pities.
You actually got 1 dup for lucky pulling 200. Basically 0.5% rate.
Guess i was the only one who beat pity 3 times, lucky asf
Used 340 pulls and got 13 copies to p1 my lilymay
Beat pity rarely in normal and epic summons at times. Hard pity every single time so far for both rate up and scamgazer. Ffs
i did her supreme+ with 178 pulls, i did it cuz im getting bored from the game tbh
they included the pity chance on the calculation for the 3% chance. to my estimation you only have 0.5% chance to get the rate up character without the pity.
And he was right on track with the percentages then. Sadly it is this way
23 pity back to back.= 24*40 pulls . rates are fucking bad.
lili may to s+ all pitty.... its insane this is illegal
All the way to pitty to S+
I got 3 copies in 1 pull of Lily May, its the first time I’ve done this kind of pull, and I got another pull slightly early (the 3 pull was also early) so I think its just a matter of bad luck for some, but Ive had bad luck for months before this, so i feel there might be a balance, if you have had insane luck earlier, then maybe not now and vice versa.
Ekei ekei 😂
The fact that u didnt post nekrodragon is because she isnt meta?
She is pretty good there
For some reason, the team with Temesia, Marilee and Kruger seems to be working better than replacing Lily with one of them. Haven’t tried to remove Thoran or Reinier to miss out on damage sponge and debuffs
@@Xeraphime13 pretty good ≠ meta tho xD so far she is meta in 1 pre-season boss and 1 seasonal boss.. everyone hopes the seasonal bosses will become permanent but we didnt get any confirmation yet
@@norgedout thx
Yes it is rigged! 😂
7 copy lily may 6 pity Lmao rate-up banner
Idk it took me 200 to get her to S+ and that was after beating pity twice, and one of those was a double pull too...