My Issues with Ohio State Football's Hype
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- Legendary Ohio State Buckeye coaches Urban Meyer and Jim Tressel have voiced their opinion that this Ohio State Football team has the most talented Buckeye roster ever. With Ryan Day upgrading his staff by hiring Chip Kelly to be his offensive coordinator, bringing back multiple NFL players in running back TreVeyon Henderson, wide receiver Emeka Egbuka, defensive ends Jack Sawyer and JT Tuimoloau, and cornerback Denzel Burke, and using the transfer portal to bring in elite players, I can somewhat understand why this opinion was expressed. However, I think it is incorrect. The hype surrounding Ohio State is excessive given their multiple questions at quarterback, offensive line, and the upside they have on their defensive front. I also express my thoughts on Ryan Day's job security and how Ohio State matches up against their three best opponents, Michigan Football, Oregon Football, and Penn State Football. We talk about all of this and more in this episode of College Football with Sam. Make sure to comment so I can interact with you and answer any questions you have!
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0:00 Introduction
4:15 Ryan Day's Job Security
8:00 Analyzing Ohio State's Potential on Offense
11:20 Analyzing Ohio State's Potential on Defense
14:30 What Would Make Ohio State's Season Successful?
19:30 My Defenses and Criticisms of Ryan Day
26:00 Ohio State's Most Important Opponent: Michigan
29:45 Ohio State's Toughest Opponent: Oregon
33:20 Yes, Penn State is Tougher than You Think
36:20 Why This Ohio State Team is Elite, But Not Legendary
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A few things to clarify before I work on my next big video:
1) This is the first year I have ever believed an Ohio State team is overhyped. I still think this team will be elite, but being elite within a season can be much different than being a GOAT team (2020 Alabama would destroy 2007 LSU for example and both won National Titles). I know not everyone is saying this team will have GOAT potential, but clearly this is the public's favorite to win it all and most think they will cruise through the Big Ten.
2) No, Will Howard is not an automatic upgrade over Kyle McCord and the OL is not guaranteed to be good. Due to staff upgrades (Chip Kelly) and returning experience on the OL both QB and OL will likely improve, but improving may not be enough to win it all, especially with the receiver room taking a step back and Howard's proclivity to turn over the ball. Also, Ohio State did just lose some elite players from last year's team.
3) The Natty of Bust mentality is non-sensical when you have the talent to win it all every year. Ohio State will win a title under Ryan Day, I just think with his core identity of how College Football is right now they will a elite OL and/or and Elite QB to do it along with the defense that Jim Knowles has built.
Ohio State's biggest problem is just having efficiency. They always have a unit or two that isn't playing great which costs them against better teams. Until they have a team firing on all cylinders they'll mostly likely continue to come up short on a natty
2019: just weird play calling against Clemson
2020: not a good defense
2021: not a good defense
2022: defense improves but not there
2023: poor OL play and QB play.
Efficiency is OSU's biggest weakness.
Had trouble getting the offense and defense playing at a high level at the same time the last three years: '21-'22 D was the primary problem. '23 O was the problem with an inexperienced QB, primarily. Injuries were huge too in the past few seasons. For example, remember Henderson had to sit out for the Peach Bowl? I wonder if he would have made a difference? 🤔
A definite yes. You can see the recruiting results now show how Day has addressed these localized recruiting issues from 2017-2023.
The largest issue on the 23 team was the QB. He played stiff and scared, unable to see the field as needed.
An unwillingness to run the QB really hurt the run game as defenses could cheat up because of the lack of a run threat at QB.
Those days are over. Howard had 9 run TDs with middling talent in 23.
Howard may get 20 TDs with Chip calling the plays. Don’t forget his likely 35 TD passes.
At the end of the day, all of the opinions and talk are just that, all of the teams will play and the results will show
Facts. It is fun to speculate in the preseason though.
@@collegefootballwithsam True. But what I am somewhat surprised is that you or no commentator I have seen has talked about the upcoming college football game. That would be a suggestion for content, unless you don’t have enough interest from your subscribers and viewers and/or you aren’t interested yourself. Just a thought
@@kevinchavis8462 You know what, I can do that in the next two weeks 👍.
@@collegefootballwithsam Cool!
Hey Sam, im Ray Ray and this is the first time I have put in a comment on your show. I hate Michigan because I grew up in the Cooper era but I've always for the most part,respected them. Now we'll see what happens with this cheating scandal but even then I'm not looking down at the kids. I couldn't stand hairball even before he come to Michigan so I'm gonna lose respect for the individuals involved. Not the kids or the school itself and I know deep in your heart u hate OSU but I feel like me,u have a respect for them and when u talk about my Bucks I feel u give my guys their due because I have hated Michigan players, good or great Michigan players but even though it killed me I still gave it when it was due so thanks for being a Michigan fan but still giving us our due when it's due.
If in some universe that day gets fired and Dabo is our new head coach, I would become a Michigan fan until he’s fired 😂
Oh day will probably get canned after another 2 loss year probably another loss to Georgia
😂😂 Swinney isn't going to be hired by any serious program until he adapts to the game.
Sayin isn’t that good neither is Nolan and Lincoln stinks brown is injury prone Howard is a worse McCord conceivably we could go 9-3 or 8-4
Everyone will double egbuka
I don’t think Jeremiah smith should start right away our tight ends aren’t that good plus Henderson has injury issues I don’t Judkins will do much against good competition with our offensive line
I still do t get how we can say the Michigan OL will be elite when..
- there’s no proof of that when coaches who have seen the practice film said tackles and pass blocking will be an issue
-also you are starting 2 guys who have never started along said Hinton who struggled last year
-these 5 have never played a game together
Translation I’m a Michigan fan…
I have Michigan losing in Columbus and Ohio State ranked ahead of them... Does my opinion that Michigan State has one of the best staffs in College Football (one that is better than Michigan's) make me not a Michigan fan?
@@collegefootballwithsam it was a joke man I was just messing with you… I know
@@noah.conley I am sorry about that. You got me good lol.
You always this late to the party?
Comment translation: I’m a troll
Best recruited pool of talent ,again. Team?
Can't say I'm surprised a UM fan has issues with the OSU hype. To be fair, you're probably the most unbiased UM fan I've seen though. When you lost me on this channel is your season predictions where you keep having UM beating OSU this year, which seems objectively ridiculous given roster and staff changes, OSU's talent, and it being at OSU
They’ve had the best talent the last 3 yrs and how did that work? They got all that talent but didn’t address the o line
@@terencethompson5789messed-again had four five stars on last years team and the best o line in football.
They also had 4th and fifth year seniors, a bunch of them.
Don’t give me that talent crap.
They brag about development. Anybody could develop high talent kids that were around for five years.
@@jimmy5634 are you that stupid Donavan Edward’s was our only 5 star and and we had maybe 3 5th yr seniors you guys are nuts and need every excuse
@@jimmy5634sorry why can’t y’all say Michigan? Ohio is much more annoying of a name it’s just a bunch of freakin vowels…. Maybe Michigan doesn’t win this year but it’s this type of attitude that makes it so sweet to beat Ohio state community college
@jimmy5634 Many of their best players were true sophmores and juniors haha. It's not like they had a sixth year QB like Washington or some other teams. Well technically they did but he wasn't the starter. They were a little more seasoned than normal last year but definitely nothing crazy considering we are just getting out of the "covid" era.
I would think about it this way:
just like how UM only wants Harbaugh’s tenure at UM to be analyzed post CVD and staff turnover post 2020.
Essentially they want only to be analyzed for their 2021-2023 results, when predicting future records.
I think Day should be analyzed not for the records/stats achieved until 2023, but by what can be expected now that they have made over the team.
New (upgraded) OC, new (upgraded) QB, will have great positive affect on the offense, which was the biggest problem with the team in 23.
This is very similar to when UM started a new and upgraded QB.
The introduction to the video was 4 minutes and 20 seconds long. I would suggest splitting the promotion of the patreon and merch to later in the video
Good suggestion. I will try that in my next video 👍.
@@collegefootballwithsam still keep the mentions within the first third of the video though. Viewership retention begins to fall off shortly after typically.
Hey man, you do a good job of being a fan and still covering the league. Im a Nebraska fan and I don’t mind hearing about other teams. You cover the league well, but I think Oregon may have a harder time adjusting than people admit.
Everybody gets hung up on the whole talent thing and yes you can.
There is a much greater thing with OSU this year you all seem to avoid.
This will be Days most experienced team in returning players and depth.
I think that accounts for more than anything, just like Michigan last year, a lot of experience returned. It's will be played out on the field. To speculate in my thoughts, is that OSU will run, run, throw to stupidly open wide recievers, and their defense will give their offense a lot of opportunities more than CJ and his crew ever got.
I have never seen this many players return in a long time for OSU, and with talent.
I think it really comes down to OSU's defense and QB play. If the Buckeyes field a top 3 defense and Howard can more closely resemble Fields/Stroud than McCord, they can absolutely win a title. However, I want to see Howard be good before I predict the Bucks to win a championship. Definitely possible with their talent, but one can argue that OSU has been the most talented team in the country the last few years, and they haven't won anything of significance. Can't wait to see how this season plays out.
Edit - experience is huge though, and it's impossible to deny there's lots of it on the 2024 roster.
This team would beat last years team by 14 points minimum… can’t wait to see em play
I’ve said it before and I will say it again. Ohio State suffers from Elitism. This was painfully apparent in the 14-3 loss to Missouri to finish last season. EVERY GAME MATTERS! And quite frankly that loss was an embarrassment to the BIG 10. Their goal should be to win the BIG 10 first! Then win their bowl game. Their smug attitude and over confidence is holding them back as a team.
Yeah losing a bowl game with a freshman QB really made us look bad. You dudes just say anything I'd love to see any team try and play a freshman vs a top defense and back up O line and see how they do! Our QB left and another got re injured but go off sis
GTFOH with your weak garbage!! This BULLSHIT happens EVERY offseason. Its like you forget that young teams with inexperienced OL and QB play at times can look like hot garbage. Day has lost 8 games in 6 seasons.... I just have to laugh at TCUN fans who act like they have it all figured out.... they win a natty by cheating for 3/4 of last year they have the gall to shout that they won it all and did so "fair and square" whatever... Your smug attitude is effective your ability to think rationally
What was Harbaugh's bowl record before last years 2 wins 🤔
I can’t wait until we get to 11/30/24
@@NattyTime517 They didn't win any bowl games before this year in the CFP 🤣is even funnier
I’m a die hard buckeye fan. I gotta see us beat Oregon and Michigan to believe it. Yes we’re talented but talent doesn’t prevent getting your heart snatched every freaking time you play a top 5 team. Hate to say it but Michigan ain’t going anywhere so either toughen tf up mentally and step up to the plate or keep getting physically rolled and looked at as soft like the last 3 years
Reasonable buckeye fan I agree with you 100%
Felt the same way about Harbaugh and Michigan until he proved it on the field
I'm a real die hard Ohio State Buckeyes fan Nobody is going to beat Ohio State Buckeyes this season we got same team won the championship in 2002 and 2014 seasons both had great defense with high power offense Go Bucks 🙆🌰🏈
Maurice Clarett couldn’t even attend his classes much less pass them. That 2002 natty isn’t even real bruh 😂
@@jamescooper3324 yes they beat Miami in the championship its real I not real 🤣😂🤣
GBR Sam! I know this is a Big 10 channel primarily but let us get a video about the "New Alabama" and just what the season could hold for the once SEC powerhouse
Losing to oregon bc of howard
Yeah,I think that as a buckeye my expectations are really low especially with how the last few years have played out and having serious doubts about qb & oline play...I think I just want to focus on and see IF we can beat the major teams on our schedule this year and win our conference BEFORE we start talking about getting into the playoffs and winning a national championship
Remember, those three losses to Michigan don't count; they will be vacated.
Feeling awfully confident after three year run huh, Sam? We shall see November 30th...
Yes we will😂 go blue
You do know 〽️ lead all time head to head…
If Meyer just said that this might be the most talented Ohio State team of all time, that is definitely correct. He overstepped in his comments.
Remember who was so hyped last year?
Colorado.
How did that work out for them again?
What point are you making exactly?
@@gregjacksun speaks for itself.
@@markmudget3794 Apparently it doesn't. Enlighten me.
OSU is like a pro team...... players go there to get paid and make it to the league. These lowly 3 stars go to Michigan to be part of a team and develop over 3/4 years............ it's called culture and being part of something bigger than yourself. Twice, OSU could not beat UM w Stroud and 3 first round receivers. I don't care if OSU has fifty 1st round recievers......... they are getting beat in the trenches on both sides of the ball by UM...... it's called manball and OSU hasn't shown they can man up when they get punched in the mouth for 4 quarters. OSU and all their 5 stars got beat 3 years in a row by Harbaugh's 3 stars that were developed and buy-in and play for THE TEAM.
And enough whining with this sign stealing crap........ UM beat Penn St, OSU, Iowa, BAMA, and then Washington to go 15-0 and win the natty AND 13 of UM players got drafted, the most of any college team.............. had nothing to do with the dude video taping games from the sideline with an I-phone who wasn't part of the team the last 10 wks of the season... they were the best team w best players and best coaches. If OSU doesn't man up in the trenches and play as a team, UM will beat em again this year.
Problems became apparent in Ryan Day era with Oregon game in 21. Concerns 😟 😨 still linger.
Competition matters. Big ten had some of the worse offenses in the country
The natty or bust narrative is concerning Ryan Day's job security. Every team should have the goal of winning every game. If you do that then you win the B1G and National Championship. I would say Ohio State has won the Championship with lesser teams, so the pressure is at all time levels. My thought is that this off season, mainly players returning, went a long way in securing his job. Besides who could you bring in that could do any better?
We will remind your sorry wolverines this year. I can’t wait for November 30
They're probably the greatest hyped team of alltime. 😅
😂 agreed 👍🏾 💯
I would disagree with that. They are hyped this year and while I disagree with the amount of hype there are plenty of good reasons for why Ohio State is receiving recognition. The most hyped team of my life time that totally flopped was probably 2019 Michigan or 2021 and 2022 Texas A&M. Also throw in 2017 Florida State.
Likes for the like gods, comments for the algorithm!!
Yeah I agree. Natty or bust is a stretch. Absolutely win the big ten and beat Michigan is expected. I’m still pissed over the Missouri game lol I can’t let that horrible performance go
OS could face M three times this year...
Overhyped just like Georgia, buckteeth will walk through that weak ass schedule, and get waxed in the playoffs
Explain how georgia overhyped with two national titles 2 new year 6 bowl wins and 2 orange bowl wins
they don't have to win the nat championship but they do need to beat mich and win the big 10...
BUT, they should and BETTER win...
People who refer to Sabin as the GOAT lose credibility as they are stuck on recency bias.
Did you even mention that M has a new coach?
Or is that too incendiary, because of race?
M will start off strong but fail around game 8.
They will lose to OS, maybe make the playoff and be bounced...
$35 million on Coaches and Players for 2024, If yiu don't win this year OSU will mever win again
Why does anyone really care. Michigan fans stay worried about what Ohio State is doing. I’ve said this before, yall will talk about anything and even start out about another subject to only somehow bring Ohio State into your conversation. Let the hype be hype right😂😂
Aa for Penn sts schedule makes them 10 plus win team just when comes play off time sure maybe they beat a crappy ND who played no one either basically in the regular season but upper tier SEC school or oregon/ohio st probably be doom for them in playoffs. I doubt they pull off a michigan from last year is all I mean.
16-0. This is 2001 Miami😂. Bookmark that.
This team is kind of like Kevin Durant joining the Warriors
The team is stacked without a doubt, but I personally think you're going to get less than preferable QB play. I'm predicting OSU to make the playoffs but lose before making it to the championship.
@@MaizeBlueMichigan Will Howard is a seasoned veteran now. He is playing with way more talent, such as the best rb duo and room, one of the best wr rooms, a veteran and improved oline. The best defense in the nation to take off pressure on the offense and will give them many drive opportunities. Will Howard is now being coached by one of the best qb developers in the sport with Ryan Day and is being offensive coordinated by one of the best who specializes in mobile qb play with Chip Kelly. Day and Kelly who are already familiar with each other blending their pass and run concepts is extremely dangerous for all opponents. With the combination of all I have said Will Howard should be improved drastically , not saying he will be the best, but he will be one of the best college qb’s that doesn’t need to be CJ Stroud, just be routine, consistent, and make good, veteran decisions. If OSU doesn’t win the natty it will be a loss in the title game but I think they do win it. OSU has been unlucky with injuries at the wrong time and I think they have enough luck this time as a team with as talented as they have been are overdo for another national title. The Big 10(18) goes back to back and takes some shine away from the SEC’s dominance
@@kevinchavis8462 I'm going to watch some more Will Howard highlights later to better evaluate my opinion, but from what I've seen so far, I don't expect him to be particularly great. For example, I do not expect Howard to be a Heisman contender. However, like you said, he doesn't have to be CJ Stroud to lead this team to a title.
No it's natty or bust. The Buckeyes have failed to win one with some of the best talent over the years. Clearly should have 1-2 more natties. With some of the failures of the past and the talent we have, this year is natty or bust!!
Yeah…absolutely not this team needs to win a natty. People (you included) have no idea how talented this team is.
You said penn state could be ohio state's easiest game? Or you meant out of the contenders.
I just think you're too high on Michigan. They should be an easier opponent for OSU than Oregon and Penn State. They lost too much.
The White Out is ineffective and James Franklin can’t coach. Michigan will be much tougher than Pedo State
Zion Grady to Ohio state
OSUck OL blocking each other😂😂😂😂
Can't make that shist up
Two key differences between 21,22 and 23 is that in 23 OSUck held UM in the second half to FGs bit they still scored on every second half passion. Second, OSUck didn't have a total mental meltdown in the second half. They had been humbled enough the two previous years that they went into the game with a completely different mindset. But it still wasn't enough.
Third bases downfall is his hubris and arrogance.
*base's
How you gonna use "hubris" and mess that up?
Dabo’s experiences with ohio:
-beating ohio 😆 💯
He has experience being embarrassed by Ohio State as well. This is a goofy perspective.
I watch this one ohio st Homer channel and he think Matt Rhule can be ohio sts next HC as sees him as possibly upgrade to Ryan Day and that guy probably right if Day fails again this season.
It's over for Ohio ...program over
I disagree with that. Ohio State isn't falling off any time soon. Their recruiting and overall development are too good.
@@collegefootballwithsam This guy got you good.
11-1
Loss the Michigan
I'm not confident Will Howard or whoever plays QB will be anywhere near Stroud or Fields. OSU lives and dies on their passing game when they are playing a quality opponent (not that they can't run the ball, but that's not their identity). OSU will obliterate anyone lesser than them but will struggle with comparable opponents IMO.
This will ring true if they can't run with their current stable. That being said - this isn't likely. Best backfield in the country.
You're a casual.
Ohio state is just never able to put it all together. They either have elite talent and underperform. Or great talent and overperform. But it always evens out to a really good team but never elite.
Elite talent underperform🤣what we were a field goal and targeting call away from beating the UGA team that dragged UM. 18-25 years OSU would have made the playoff if it were a thing only other team in the nation close to that is Alabama and they were trash before Saban pulled up. Y'all just say anything
What is your definition of elite?
Elite means one of the best teams in the nation any given year, that top tier 1 which is compared to everyone else. OSU may have not gone undefeated in recent years but they have been in that top tier, looking at the context of the their shortcomings there are specifics reasons and have been real close. Elite is a top 4 program and OSU is at least that
@AndrewShunk Georgia and Michigan the last 3 years
@@southeastdaygo6193 That was different years dumpy. 22 Georgia wasn't as good as 21. Don't get so sensitive. Stop living in the past. You're not elite anymore.
i have alot of respect for urban meyer and of course jim tressel ,but i am not a fan of ryan day , ohio state lacks a offensive line to push for their running game , so they do have holes on this so called elite team ,and remember michigan pushed ohio state around the last 3 years on both sides of the front line ,i take alot heat from ohio state fanatics for exposing the real facts
They did not push Ohio State Around Last year my guy 🤣☠️ they won by 6 points at home corum had 88 yards and only averaged 4 per carry Edwards averaged 3.1 lmao Traynum averaged 6.0 YPC and Henderson averaged 3.2 verse them so who was really being pushed? 👀
Ohio State lost by 6 on the road with a chance to win the game. That was by far the closest game Michigan played last year outside of Bama and Michigan played much better against OSU. Michigan fans and the media at large make huge deals out of the OL which should be better this year and outside of the Missouri game (where they played a completely different OL than they had all year) improved over the year. If Howard is even equal to Kyle they should be favored to win it all this year. Let’s not get spoon fed Michigan propaganda, this team is loaded everywhere.
@@casuallynerdy1664 nobody cares about second best team ,and i do not care if you lost by 1 point we still lost ,my point is we need to make changes to get better and become elite ,but under ryan day we lost
@@user-ut8ls7qp1j Second best is pretty damn elite to me. If you come in second every year for 10 years you likely have the best record in football over the course of that time. We are that close every year, even last year which was the worst team under Ryan Day. Sure this team has questions but it sure seems like it has less than last year. Every team has some questions every year. One change could easily make the difference of a national title or not. I am sure people would have a different option if a certain kick goes in and Marv doesn’t get hurt.
@@casuallynerdy1664 my friend nobody cares about 2nd place or maybe and what in the world is a IF ? ohio state better get a offensive line or its 2nd place again ,
So sick of all the hype. All talk. Last time Michigan rolled into Columbus...Michigan won by 3 scores. Overrated.
1-3 is invalid when you cheated ijs don’t shoot the messenger 😂
See OSU fans can use whatever excuse they want. You had a month to field more than 22 players for the Mizzou game and you couldn’t. And don’t say the game didn’t matter. It mattered to the players that played. And if you would’ve beat Mizzou you’d be bragging about beating an SEC team. 5-16 all time vs the SEC despite you sucknuts counting wins over teams that weren’t in the SEC at the time. Brady Hart said when he left OSU, he knew Michigan’s culture wasn’t everywhere. That tells me the mentality is still the same and you’re soft. All I’ve needed to know the past couple years is if the mentality is the same and I already know the result of The Game. You beat ND 21-10 in 2022 who ended up being garbage. Then you come back in 2023 and win 17-14. You’re regressing. Not worried about OSU this year. A good team beats a great group of individuals posing as a team every single time.
Michigan will take some steps back and the SEC elites probably wins the natty this season. Buckeyes might win a playoff game or two