I love your honesty. It is so refreshing in this era of video editing. So many people wouldnt admit or even show their failed attempts. Only the one that worked so they can look cool or professional or whatever. Thank you for the lesson. I will try this tommorrow.
This is so much fun and educational. I’ve been having a ball with firemaking. I showed some techniques to my 3rd son, who is home for Thanksgiving from college. He’s been studying engineering with all kinds of chemistry and physics and finds your demonstrations interesting. Says that rust is used in thermite…
Not sure how I stumbled into your videos, but I find them very informational for survival skills. I was an Eagle scout, but I've learned a couple new tricks. Thanks.
First time I have ever seen a fire made by cloth, you are awesome! I saw your other videos as well and you my friend are a life saver, now it's time to try your 5 ways to start a friction fire...I'm excited because my grandkids and daughter are going to think I'm the smartest person on earth, bahahaha! Thanks sweetness, you are the man!
Thanks Dave for another video. I found a old file today and it is a spark master. I forgot how good the old mill bastards are for flint and steel. Thanks again for another good vid. Tommy
In the 80's I made char cloth pretty regular, I found a new quarter paint with lid worked really well. Put cloth in seal lid and take a small nail and poke 1 hole using just the tip,put can in fire and it will outgas and flame out of hole and as soon as the flame burns out take off the fire and plug hole with nail and let it cool, makes the best silky char cloth for catching embers.
To keep your char cloth fresh and reactive, you might want to put a silica gel packet or two in the container with the char cloth. One in the bottom and maybe on on the top before closing it up. Hope that helps.
Incidentally, that same packet could replace the ash if it has iron powder in it. Same with hand warmers. The iron powder rusts, & rust is the substitute for ash. Rust is important because ash only comes from fire. Rust is, if course, available from natural rock, vehicles, nails, etc. So, if you've not yet gained fire, you may not have ashes to use in the cotton. Practice not having ANY gear beyond what you can scrounge up. Because sometimes things don't go your way, and your kit could end up down the river.
is there any concern for needing to safely store the char? Like could it ignite by itself under extremely hot temperatures or a lot of sunlight exposure?
David, is the reason char cloth is not as reactive after it sits around in a tin, because it collects moisture from the air? If so, could this be corrected by keeping it in a tightly sealed container, or does that also have a deleterious effect on the char cloth?
So... from the time you start your back and forth movements about how long does it take on average to get an ember? Also... are some types of ashes better than others?
For me, I guess about a 100 strokes.A forward and a return equals one stroke. It will be different for everybody depending on their pressure, length of stroke, humidity, ability to control the roll during the rolling process, determination, endurance and skill level. One should master the cotton and ashes fire roll before trying all the others. Please watch my how to fire roll video within my Rudiger roll playlist. Thanks!.
Thank you for that. I went downstairs and tried it with a cotton ball. I felt some heat after about say 30 strokes.I mistook fine ash for smoke and found no ember. On another note. I see what you mean about controlling the roll because several tries and some cotton began to roll out one side of the wood. Oh well. I will have to practice ...anyway, love your videos. You're the master of fire. ha ha I'll keep watching. Thanks again.
30 strokes should have been enough... Like when I first started, you may be short stroking. Get used to long deliberate strokes and build your speed up gradually on your way to the 30 strokes. Good luck!
You sound just like the narrator for the Walt Disney film "Charlie the lonesome Cougar." I'd pay a dollar to hear you say " well about this time ol' Charlie had his paws full fightin' a swarm a' bees and an angry mama bear." By the way, you have a great channel!
Cotton balls are the ticket , stretch it out , if it's not thick enough , add another , it rolls up on itself and clings well . Only a few strokes makes an ember too .
Have you ever tried with cotton from a cigarette filter?? Im curious to see if that could work in a pinch. Because i seen you do this with cotton and ashes. That was nuts. Id never seen that done before. Thats whT got me on this channel. Great video!!
Nice presentation and nice hobby you have. Certainly interesting technique, but in a distress situation, not very useful. Where would you get ashes in the first place? If I bother to carry some fire starting equipment, it would be magnesium block with embedded ferro rod, beside lighter, assuming you include your knife for any field trip. Thanks for entertaining videos you make.
Could you use natural cotton like materials...such a milkweed pod silk, cottonwood cotton or cattail fluff? These materials might be more accessible in a survival scenario. Thanks...and great work creating and sharing these videos.
You can't know if everything is completely charred until it stops smoking. Even then some pieces are not fully charred.I like my method for producing the most reactive char cloth possible.
To check if a filler is fire rollable, put a flame to it. If it embers it may fire roll. If it melts like hair, silk, wool, sythetics then it won't fire roll.
Matches & lighter are convenient. But if lighter is empty, & matches are gone, (or unusable), & fire is essential to survival, what do you do? Without knowledge, & experience of making fire from natural sources, you freeze. Friction fire starters, water bottle lens, Soda can mirror, Flint/quartz & ferrous rock sparks from the stream bed, pine resin excellerent, pine needle tinder, fatwood & other fire starting techniques turn survival disaster into mere adventure story... Yesterday we met big game hunter who went to 11,000 feet for big game hunt. They walked back down the mountain, to spend the night in the hotel, because of cold & wind around their tents. He had never heard of alcohol stove from beer can, tuna can, fancy feast can, aluminum bottle, etc. Tent wood furnace would be ideal, on the Leeward mountain side, despite deep snow cover. They used candle heaters. Location, preparation, timing, & experience all factor into the adventure...
Dude I bet your lungs are filled with all that smoke. I do almost the same thing but geez I almost choked on all that smoke when I do it and I even breathe away from it your breathing almost right on top of it good video though thanks for the techniques
I love your honesty. It is so refreshing in this era of video editing. So many people wouldnt admit or even show their failed attempts. Only the one that worked so they can look cool or professional or whatever. Thank you for the lesson. I will try this tommorrow.
You're right. Rampant Dishonest Fire Making On TH-cam. Why They Do It And How. th-cam.com/video/MuyRY3lKfLU/w-d-xo.html
Brilliant again. I spent many years in the Armed Forces. Never knew whatI have learned by watching this video. Thank you.
I'm 80 years old and I learned something new today.... Thanks
Growing every day I see.
That is cool I can learn from you as well on this matter thanks you seem to be a very wise guy we need more like you in this world
This is so much fun and educational. I’ve been having a ball with firemaking. I showed some techniques to my 3rd son, who is home for Thanksgiving from college. He’s been studying engineering with all kinds of chemistry and physics and finds your demonstrations interesting. Says that rust is used in thermite…
Thanks Robert!
I've learned a lot from your videos. Thank you for what you do.
You are so welcome!
I am still learning from your teachings; much thanks for your hard work and dedication.
My pleasure.
Not sure how I stumbled into your videos, but I find them very informational for survival skills. I was an Eagle scout, but I've learned a couple new tricks. Thanks.
This is the greatest thing sense sliced bread.you have a lot of knowledge and I want it
You got one more subscriber, your work are fascinating!👏👏👏
Welcome aboard!
I learned how to make char-cloth back when I was a boy scout, but they only did one piece of cloth at a time. Your method is much better!
First time I have ever seen a fire made by cloth, you are awesome! I saw your other videos as well and you my friend are a life saver, now it's time to try your 5 ways to start a friction fire...I'm excited because my grandkids and daughter are going to think I'm the smartest person on earth, bahahaha! Thanks sweetness, you are the man!
Sir - you are a genuine genius. thank you for sharing.
Very good, but I'm thinking that it might be time to revisit this Cotton Fabric Fire Roll as you'll have an HD version and better angles.
I’ve heard of a fire roll, but didn’t know what it was. And I’m still surprised how it works. That is very good.
Check out my Rudiger Roll Playlist.
Great video. Never knew it was so easy
Fire rolling is the easiest friction fire there is.
Another superb video. Well done. Best regards.
Don't understand the negative thumbs downs, I guess they have loser's envy! Kudos! and thank you for a magnificent instructional video!
Mora knives are so good!
That's all I use, the Companion.
Thanks Dave for another video. I found a old file today and it is a spark master. I forgot how good the old mill bastards are for flint and steel. Thanks again for another good vid.
Tommy
I have about 5 videos where I make a file into a steel.
Good presentation
Good video
Well done
Another fine video. Thanks man. Your amazing.
Thanks!
This video was amazing! Thank you, we will have to try these methods.
Thank you!
Very good and thanks...
Thanks for your knowledge 😁😀
In the 80's I made char cloth pretty regular, I found a new quarter paint with lid worked really well. Put cloth in seal lid and take a small nail and poke 1 hole using just the tip,put can in fire and it will outgas and flame out of hole and as soon as the flame burns out take off the fire and plug hole with nail and let it cool, makes the best silky char cloth for catching embers.
To keep your char cloth fresh and reactive, you might want to put a silica gel packet or two in the container with the char cloth. One in the bottom and maybe on on the top before closing it up. Hope that helps.
Incidentally, that same packet could replace the ash if it has iron powder in it. Same with hand warmers. The iron powder rusts, & rust is the substitute for ash. Rust is important because ash only comes from fire. Rust is, if course, available from natural rock, vehicles, nails, etc. So, if you've not yet gained fire, you may not have ashes to use in the cotton. Practice not having ANY gear beyond what you can scrounge up. Because sometimes things don't go your way, and your kit could end up down the river.
exactly good job
Great stuff !!!
I carry a baggie of dryer lint in my BOB I think I'll try to see how well it works
Won't work. The fibers have to be strong like what you could make cordage out of. Only natural fibers work no synthetics. See my fire roll playlist.
You are fire man nice
I've gotten the cotton rolls to work with fine dust and dried ground leaves a few times.
Me too, but then the same dust may never work again. Strange!
Good video David we got to watch a dukes mixture in this one
Linkless Tennessee ty
How did you ever learn all this ? Facinating im trying it all.!
is there any concern for needing to safely store the char? Like could it ignite by itself under extremely hot temperatures or a lot of sunlight exposure?
No more than anything else that is flammable. I keep mine in a peanut can and the charred punkwood in a jar.
David, is the reason char cloth is not as reactive after it sits around in a tin, because it collects moisture from the air? If so, could this be corrected by keeping it in a tightly sealed container, or does that also have a deleterious effect on the char cloth?
Yes and yes and no! Merry Christmas!
Awesome
That's great David. I was wondering what is the scientific principle behind why the fire roll ignites? How do the ashes help? Thanks
I think friction and chemical reaction, but I have no details. A lot of people say what they think the details are.
@@DavidWestBgood2ppl thanks
Great!~~~Thanks !
So... from the time you start your back and forth movements about how long does it take on average to get an ember? Also... are some types of ashes better than others?
For me, I guess about a 100 strokes.A forward and a return equals one stroke. It will be different for everybody depending on their pressure, length of stroke, humidity, ability to control the roll during the rolling process, determination, endurance and skill level. One should master the cotton and ashes fire roll before trying all the others. Please watch my how to fire roll video within my Rudiger roll playlist. Thanks!.
Thank you for that. I went downstairs and tried it with a cotton ball. I felt some heat after about say 30 strokes.I mistook fine ash for smoke and found no ember. On another note. I see what you mean about controlling the roll because several tries and some cotton began to roll out one side of the wood. Oh well. I will have to practice ...anyway, love your videos. You're the master of fire. ha ha I'll keep watching. Thanks again.
30 strokes should have been enough... Like when I first started, you may be short stroking. Get used to long deliberate strokes and build your speed up gradually on your way to the 30 strokes. Good luck!
Can you use charcoal dust in a fire roll instead of ashes?
Frederick Kunitz Ashes with the LEAST amount of char material in them are best.
8:35 Dave, my man! Yer killin' me, son. Yer killin' me.
Why is ash required? Is it for friction? Can you just use fine sand or fine dirt?
Not just friction but chemical and insulating properties too... is my best guess.
Thanks David. Great channel
The good news is, you’ll always have a cup of coffee or tea where ever you are!
LOL!
You ever try to use silk for a fire roll or char cloth
Any fiber that melts instead of embering won't work. Please visit my Fire Roll Playlist.
That’s kinda how I roll my jibbers , long tight and with love ! 😂
Would it be best to keep it in a ziplock, or what would you recommend?
Yes, the less you expose char to the air the more reactive it stays. Also pressing on it or crushing it in anyway reduces reactivity.
You sound just like the narrator for the Walt Disney film "Charlie the lonesome Cougar." I'd pay a dollar to hear you say " well about this time ol' Charlie had his paws full fightin' a swarm a' bees and an angry mama bear." By the way, you have a great channel!
What if you put a piece of char cloth in the middle instead of ashes? Or both?
Char cloth does fire roll. See my fire roll playlist.
Awesome thank you
is there way to make fire with hammer ?
I don't know.
If anyone could, I'd put money it would Mr. West.
Cotton balls are the ticket , stretch it out , if it's not thick enough , add another , it rolls up on itself and clings well . Only a few strokes makes an ember too .
Please visit my fire roll playlist.
Have you ever tried with cotton from a cigarette filter?? Im curious to see if that could work in a pinch. Because i seen you do this with cotton and ashes. That was nuts. Id never seen that done before. Thats whT got me on this channel. Great video!!
Doesn't work. Everything logical has already been tried. See my Rudiger roll, fire roll playlist.
I use my knife edge to scrape those front stringers until they shred a bit.
That's the way to do it. I think I showed it during this video. This one was made a few years back.
@@DavidWestBgood2ppl Hi, Dave. Will ashed tinder take a flint and steel spark? I think I've seen cases where dry chaga will do so?
No, only a few plants on the planet will and they have to be unusually dry.
@@DavidWestBgood2ppl thanks
Nice presentation and nice hobby you have. Certainly interesting technique, but in a distress situation, not very useful. Where would you get ashes in the first place? If I bother to carry some fire starting equipment, it would be magnesium block with embedded ferro rod, beside lighter, assuming you include your knife for any field trip. Thanks for entertaining videos you make.
We agree! BTW, ashes are not the only filler that works.
Thank you
Hi David nice one buddy
Could you use natural cotton like materials...such a milkweed pod silk, cottonwood cotton or cattail fluff? These materials might be more accessible in a survival scenario. Thanks...and great work creating and sharing these videos.
No. See my fire roll playlist.
What is the ash for?
Friction.
Buenas noche podría decirme que es el polvo que tiene en el ánfora?
those foldable hand saws are great, way better than these silly wire saws they put in "survival" kits..
I use the Corona Saw all the time.
Would dryer lint work
No. Please check out my How To Fire Roll/ Rudiger Roll videos.
What about ashes from cigarettes?
Do you think it might work ?
Yes, see my fire roll playlist.
What's in the aluminum bottle?
Wood ashes any wood ashes will work. th-cam.com/play/PLkoXX8XsMW3kLMA7kY_LznhzK5nOrA3Wd.html
How much ash? a teaspoon full??
You'll need more advice than that, Please visit my fire roll playlist.
Nice
Scott Jason ty
Fascinating. Asbestos fingers....
I've found that if char cloth is taken out of the fire just before it is due to stop smoking it is of much better quality.
You can't know if everything is completely charred until it stops smoking. Even then some pieces are not fully charred.I like my method for producing the most reactive char cloth possible.
+Dave West, Great video, thank you for sharing :)
Why do you put the char can in the fire?
see my char playlist
Freakin Awesome
Problem is....what if you don't have ashes in the first place to roll into the fabric ?
Lots of fillers work. Please check out my fire roll playlist.
This is Fiya:)
The question is can you fire roll hair?
To check if a filler is fire rollable, put a flame to it. If it embers it may fire roll. If it melts like hair, silk, wool, sythetics then it won't fire roll.
two important lessons here: How to fire roll cotton fabric & If at first you don't succeed.......
Thank you!!!
Oh I see. : )
OIC2
seems you can get cotton fabric to roll to fire. Cheers David
The tin has to have 4 or 5 small holes in the lid. Far north bushcraft $ survival.
Please see my char cloth playlist and flint and steel playlist.
If you cut your sticks into 5 gallon bucket,
cleanup is quick.
Ya... No thks David, I'll use a match.
BIC here.
Hmmm🤔 never heard of a fire roll interesting.......
Please check out my Rudiger Roll Playlist.
A box of matches or a lighter is much easier
Always!
Matches & lighter are convenient.
But if lighter is empty, & matches are gone, (or unusable), & fire is essential to survival,
what do you do?
Without knowledge, & experience of making fire from natural sources, you freeze.
Friction fire starters,
water bottle lens,
Soda can mirror,
Flint/quartz & ferrous rock sparks from the stream bed, pine resin excellerent, pine needle tinder, fatwood
& other fire starting techniques turn survival disaster into mere adventure story...
Yesterday we met big game hunter who went to 11,000 feet for big game hunt.
They walked back down the mountain, to spend the night in the hotel, because of cold & wind around their tents.
He had never heard of
alcohol stove from
beer can, tuna can, fancy feast can, aluminum bottle, etc.
Tent wood furnace would be ideal, on the
Leeward mountain side, despite deep snow cover. They used candle heaters.
Location, preparation,
timing, & experience
all factor into the adventure...
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IL FAUT de la cendre donc avoir dejas du feu n importe quoi franchement
1) Keep ashes in your fire kit.
2) or you found someone elses campfire remains
3) or you can you many other fillers besides wood ashes
Dude I bet your lungs are filled with all that smoke. I do almost the same thing but geez I almost choked on all that smoke when I do it and I even breathe away from it your breathing almost right on top of it good video though thanks for the techniques