Screw-Propelled Vehicles: Surprising Advantages in Warfare
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Common joe:"you can't reinvent the wheel"
Simon:"screw you"
XD
I used one of these screw vehicles during a winter of oil & gas exploration in the Alaska arctic in the early 1980's. It worked great transitioning from water, ice, mud, to move people on ground in Spring and Fall. We used these as all season rescue and escape craft. We also used hovercraft vehicles and helicopters to move people around in summer. Once the ocean was totally frozen we used 'ice road trucker' technology to move most people and goods. For fully frozen ground we used 'conventional' tracked vehicles to move over frozen ground all around Alaska.
thats awesome.
I served in the Navy with a dude from Juneau. I thought he was full of it when he told me about the screw driven tractors his family had. Then he took me to AK on leave and showed me. Those things are wild as hell.
That's also when I saw just how big moose actually are.😳 Jeebus!
That sounds awesome, there’s so much ingenuity that goes into working in such harsh conditions, I bet you have some great stories about this experience.
Cool
@@SkunkApe407 The size of a moose is arguably the bigger shock. Went big game hunting in Alaska with a buddy from Force Recon who is from there, and saw an elk fairly close up. I just safed my rifle, slung it on my back, and said, "what the fuck is going to kill that?!?!"
Hyphen is important. I initially read the title of the video as, "Screw propelled vehicles!"
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Snake: "Metal Gear Shagohod?!"
Volgin: "SNAKE! It's not over yet!"
Engineering firm near me (next to Richard Hammond's workshop) built one of these to cross from USA to Russia (Bering Strait) on land/ice/snow/water all in 1 go. It would probably have made it had politics not intervened and turned it back half way across.
Are we sure it didnt have to turn around because Jeremy and James secretly stashed Richard onboard while he was asleep?
How did politics stop it? Did they not have the necessary Visa's to enter Russia?
And was this done for TV? If not what paid for it?
I was trying to swim across the lake as a kid. Halfway I got tired and had to turn around and go back.
@@petergerdes1094 There were 2 russian helicopters waiting for it at the international dateline who turned them back. The guy who built it is interviewed on 'Drivetribe' youtube channel 'This is where all Grand Tour inventions are made'. Not clear who paid for it, this was back in 2002.
@@petergerdes1094 Jeremy is on the ban list in Russia because of that time he made all those jokes about Putin not being able to perform as a man anymore. If you get my drift.
G'day,
During the 1920s, Sidney Cotton, the famous/infamous Australian Aviator/Aerial Photography Pioneer/Gun-Running Arms-Smuggler was operating an Aerial Seal-Spotting Charter Service, out of Nova Scotia, for the Seal-Fur "Industry", and at one point he took a Segue into developing and attempting to commercialise a Screw-driven Snow-Vehicle which turned out to be of doubtful actual practicality - and then Cotton fell onto one of the Screws when it was operating, trying to unstick the thing from some obstacle...; and it badly lacerated his Leg while breaking it for him.
It took him a year to regain his health..., after which he went back to Hairygoplanes - which appeared to him rather less dangerous things with which to make a living.
Such is life,
Have a good one...
Stay safe.
;-p
Ciao !
I once eliminated a nuclear capable screw drive tank in the Soviet union on foot. This was after a long motorcycle chase with a US/Soviet double agent. They were calling it the Shagohod.
004? Is that you?
Still in top 5 best games ever made. Playing that on PS2 for the first time was amazing.
What a thrill...
I came here just for that reference. Thank you!
I saw one gathering rust in my city. It looked kinda like a wrecker truck, 2 booms with winches in the back. Screw drive seems like a great idea for a recovery vehicle in places where anything other than a helicopter would get stuck.
Colin Furze built a small one as a project a year or two back and it can float 👍🏻 Interesting concept for sure.
Liking just because Colin Furze is a complete nutter, makes awesome machines (the jet-propelled bike is a favourite), and somehow seems to find time to make TH-cam videos. I don't know how, after all that, he has time to eat or sleep, but he seems to keep going. 😁
@@Cameron655 Yeah, the dude is a machine. He has been pumping out projects while digging a tunnel under his house and he still has time to help raise two kids and do editing and such on his channel. My admiration for that former plumber is PROFOUND.
@@readmyname. No, you're literally spamming. Goodbye.
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The positioning of the flywheel on some of those old vehicles is utterly terrifying.
If the 500Kg wheel spinning 900rpm is out in the open and clear for all to see, everyone will know to be careful around it.
@@ldobehardcore precisely! Hide it inside a casing that's not capable of containing the energy released if it went boom, would provide a false sense of security, I believe personally.
@@ldobehardcore Never underestimate the stupidity of people.
@@marcpeterson1092 And common sense is no longer common.
Stupidity and carelessness was often a capital offence in those days.
Their spirit lives on in those cool forklifts with those weird wheels.
Thank you for this video.
I was stationed at Mare Island Naval Facility.
I worked on PBR ans PCF patrol boats.
We also had two of those RUC screw driven craft.
We trained with them in the sloughs and mud flats in and around the base ,which was on the Napa River ( California).
It was fun to see one of our RUC craft featured on your
channel . They were fun to operate but a pain in the neck to work on.
Thanks for the memories
You're welcome, thanks for watching :)
Jeebus, shipmate! You're a salty old dawg, aren't you? We swapped those out for LCACs ages ago. What was John Paul Jones like in real life?
All ball busting aside, that's cool as hell. BZ, and thank you for your service.
@@SkunkApe407 Yup. I'm old as dirt. Back before laser guided munitions, drones,
The time and place were different but the shooting, killing and dying arr the same So is the PTSD
@@desertduck10 I'm an OIF/OEF vet. My uncle is a Destert Storm vet. My granddad was a 'Nam/Korea vet. I know all too well what you're talking about. Some memories you keep forever, others you wish you could forget.
Non Sibi Sed Patriae
This reminds me of the screw propelled Shagohod in Metal Gear Solid 3
Yes, that was an interesting boss fight too.
The Russian term for "screw-propelled vehicle" is "Shnekohod". I imagine the Shagohod's name came from that.
@@SeanMirrsen The literal translation for "Shagohod" would be "walks by steps", it was a common name for all machines with legs. "Shnekohod" means "walks by screws"
What about a video on the Tennessee valley authority….the construction of many Tennessee Dams and lakes.
I had a toy screw truck once. It was amazing on snow. Just swimmed across. But it broke, sadly.
I think it is not a problem to prevent these vehicles in military action from sinking when the screw get pierced by bullets. You can fill this hollow screws with some typ of foam like polyurethane.. that is light, doesn't burn, and so the screw is no more hollow and can't fill up with water. Also, might it is possible to use some kind of plastic or rubber on the screw flank for preventing damage to streets.. in a similar case, like tanks have "rubber-shoes" to prevent this.
Spray it with bedliner
Nope, foam doesnt work like that, all types of foam soak in water over time. It doesnt sink instant but you have to remove the foam and put new in everytime the hull gets damaged.
@@jonasstahl9826 it depends on the type of foam. If it's foam like a spons you are right. But if it's foam where the bubbles are not connected to each other. Also there is a possibility to use "solid" but light foam without bubbles ( like styropor)
@@swisstestpilot In theory you are right, in practice not the bubble of "solid" foam like styrofoam break from mechanical stress that you have from a vibrating vehicle or by getting shot, also plastic is biodegradable, there are a bunch of insects and microorganism that can eat plastic, given that the walls of the bubble are very thin it doesnt take much to break them, even more when it frezes the ice crystal just poke through the bubbles
Put a piece of styrofoam in a body of water with an ecosystem like a pond or aquarium not a bucket in your garage and the styrofoam will soak up alot of water and break down over time.
That is the reason why styrofoam cups or food boxes are coated.
Also you cant just weld the hole up if it is filled with foam that can burn.
@@jonasstahl9826 styrofoam was just as example for a bubbleless "foam" type, not for chemical and mechanical resistance, there are countless 100 different types of plastic for this application and some of them meet the requirements for such a vehicle as well. The point is that the vehicle should continue to function for some time (it may well be several days) in the event of being shot at or damaged. As with a car or airplane, it is clear that after a few years of use, parts (here this "filling" may have to be routinely replaced.
That could have been a colab with Colin Furze and his screw "tank".
7:10 - Simon love, the plural of craft is CRAFT, not ‘crafts’. I learnt that in primary school.
Another reason to hate this language
Hoped to see the shagohod in this one.
Two thoughts: The first being, if you make a tour of the countryside in one of these, you really could say you've been screwing around! (Yeah yeah boo hiss)
But also - I wonder how this type of design might fare in non-Terrestrial landscapes? Maybe not the Moon - I understand that the lunar regolith would be hell on such mechanisms and very likely it wouldn't work out well at all. But maybe in different gravity, it could handle better? Though plainly such experiments would need to remain computer models for now - you'd have to build one in situ, it's insane to try and launch something like that from Earth's surface (insanely expensive at least). But it's still an interesting idea to me.
Less gravity is less force on the blades. One guy did put a sizeable dent in one of the stainless mesh wheels of the moon buggy though. He hit a rock at speed. Probably the coolest car accident ever :D
The one big advantage i see in this design is...see the tracks it makes on the mud/ dirt?
why not make it bigger... and perhaps spray some concrete on the sides and hey why not add some concertina wire on the side facing the enemy?
I don't think gravity would meaningfully affect how one of these would perform. You've got a large surface area for friction to work over, and also importantly the propulsion speed will be limited by the screw angle and rotational speed of the screw.
As for sending one somewhere, I actually don't think it's that impossible. Stick most of your equipment inside the screw, and it could make sense for that petroleum moon (Titan, maybe?). Have the screw be hollow and stick some digging equipment at the front, and maybe it could be a new design for investigating the subsoil of Mars.
The big problem with using this sort of thing on other planets right now, is that for all the benefits of screw propulsion it has a couple requirements. Those being, mass and power. Mass is necessary for the whole machine obviously, but screws specifically endure a lot of wear and thus have to be extremely sturdy. And power is necessary because for driving on anything that isn't water, the screws waste a lot of energy on friction - and the more mass, the more energy is wasted. And if you're going electric, which is necessary for exoplanetary explorers, you also need batteries, which are more mass, and even more wasted energy, etc, etc.
Now take modern space exploration, with strict limits on how much mass you can deliver and how much energy you can procure. The further out from the Sun, the less you get out of solar panels. The further out from Earth, the less mass you have to work with.
All told, it combines to make the screw-drive a very impractical choice at this stage of the space exploration game.
@@SeanMirrsen this just makes me ask if said screw could be made of local materiel... then again shapping it like a screw might be challenge
What you're saying is, if we have to rely on this for transportation, we're screwed.
Lol
I once saw one of these screw driven vehicles on a bauxite mine site when i lived in western Australia, it was stationed on a tailings pond and was used to break the surface crust from forming and improves aeration in the ponds.
I pity whoever has to recover it the day after the lazy guy on site forgets to secure it so it won't float away.
@@absalomdraconis it was on a tether at each end of the craft attatched to a line at each side of the tailings pond. Does that compute with your snowflake brain ?
1:21 Thats the yellow one on the red mud in the video and the thumbnail. I was hoping he would talk about it.
@@mabamabam could have been,I saw this one from inside a moving mine site vehicle.
they’re still used on tailings around the world. The company is Phibion
I had this idea in drafting class 10th grade. My teacher filled me in on the disadvantages. A early lesson in system design.
Wow you came up with this idea. You must be old
commercial screw propelled vehicles: Phibion (tailings farming), HELIX (tailings monitoring), CAROL (catalyst removal), grain weevil (grain elevators), x5-hr (sewers)
Maybe they would be good at traversing the arctic terrain… for researchers and or expeditions ? Could be useful
They are very cool machines. I first come across them about 20 years ago when I built the cabs for the MudMaster, the one in the thumbnail.. Our workshop just built the cabs. I believe the rest of the machine was built in Baldivis.
I always thought this concept was cool my favorite concept was the fictional veev used to navigate the flesh scape of the mystery flesh pit. Fictional I know but the fact something like this would work so well in such an environment is so awesome.
70sBack in the easrly 1970s I had cause to visit MCRD Peris Island, delivering a prisoner. While waiting for the Base MPs to show up to accept our prisoner I noticed a screw drive vehicle parked by the bridge onto the Island. Useful for collecting people from the mud and swamps surrounding I presumed.
Many will think these are Russian designs, but from memory the first commercial design was a Ford tractor. I'm not talking the patents, nor the builds, but a commercial viable design. The Ford Tractor was around the 1950s and very few were actually built. There is footage of it to help sell it somewhere but it really never had traction with the consumer, pun intended :P
I think it was about 1964 in a copy of Mechanics Illistrated where I saw this.
Interesting Timing-- Hikari no Ou (The Fire Hunter) is a 2023 Winter Japanese Fantasy Anime featuring rail-less Land Trains with screw drives to connect remote villages.
You’ve totally missed the Fordson! Built in early 1900’s with video showing it pulling 10 ton of logs
Yes, those are the best videos. And the supposed first German one in this video looked identical. I suspect it was a Fordson. No point of cloning it, they would just buy one, if they wanted to test one.
The long version of the video shows the system attached to a car for city/town use.
The video I found today says "concept". It wasn't. You could order the kit by mail.
They tried to use them Alaska, but it was just too cold. There is one in a museum in Fairbanks.
I knew it! My father long ago showed me the Ford screw drive tractor. He's a Ford fanatic and many of my family worked as engineers for Ford.
Apparently, it was a kit that just fit the Fordson tractor and a Chevy. The thing was: Armstead Snow-Motor kit, Snow-Motor Co. Inc., Detroit
You should do a vid on the terex titan
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I've had an idea to use a similar drill, but made of rubber and light as possible resembling more of a Polynesian sail boat. Intended for desert travel where wheeled vehicles simply couldn't go.
This was also developed for use in Antarctica, and the Bearing sea..more recently "Ice Challenger"
I get confused sometimes and just need to get My Berings Strait.
Dad joke level: 100
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I don't know why USSR never designed a BMD APC with this instead of tracks. They were certainly light enough to do it. Would work great for Rasputitsa 7:45 that could easily be solved by putting a skirt of chains to the sides of the pontoons. These would deflect most shots and be flexible enough not to cause problems. Also you could fill the pontoons with polyurethane foam so they wouldn't fill with water after being hit.
I dunno, a drone top with screw tracks on the bottom.
Sounds like a super vehicle to me. You could even use the screws as air reservoirs and make the thing submersible as well.
This is the perfect all terrain vehicle
screw drive ballast tank? sounds awesome, if very complicated
Looks like the enemy has been … screwed over.
I guess they're good for one thing:
Doing doughnuts!
I have been on one of those already, we used to squeeze out water in the bauxite mines plant waste. As a matter of fact the screw vehicle at 1:26 mark is the being used in Jamaica 🇯🇲 I have been on it.
This gives me Toy Soldier: Cold War flashbacks. Hordes of Shnekohods swarming my base
But what about combining all three in a similar manner to what the Soviet did?
Screw-propelled drone and electronic warfare control platform on a wheeled carrier, the Metal Gear of tomorrow's battlefield.
How about a video on mono wheels?
Like the surface-effect plane (Ekranoplan), the screw-propelled vehicle has been around for nearly a century, with periodic resurgence in popularity. They have never been a commercial success in civilian use, nor adopted for military transport. That should tell you something.
1:40 origin
3:51 military interest
9:16 final thoughts
Your narration always impresses, but I was hoping to see you narrate while simultaneously demonstrating clockwise and counter clockwise with your hands.
That would be very impressive!
I can move each arm/hand independently in speed and direction. Not sure if it is because I am a lefty or what, but it requires no extra concentration or effort for me.
Side project idea: the Argo.. 6x6
Ah yes, the DESTROYER OF LAWNS! My Uncle had one for a while, it could rip the shit out of the ground lol. His tank wasn't nearly as destructive.
There is a good reason vor the idiom "You are screwed!". 😆
The dark colours and lighting and back light make you look like a classic Bond villain.
When you've got that need for speed, am I right?
Its very agile but not very mobile. Additionally, using screws instead of tracks makes it tricky to mount suspension making it a literally ball ache to pilot.
Yeah he doesn't mention the real reason it wasn't used much in Russia; the thing was so rigid while driving it was murder on your lower back after extended use.
@@zysis : Semis have a solution for that- shock-mounted cabs. Though, admittedly, it would be better to isolate the rest of the vehicle too, since any moving parts will also suffer...
Check out Colin Furze's screwtank build video.
This could've been a good chance to plug the game Crossout, which has parts to make your vehicle screw-driven, and I know you've had videos sponsored by it before, Fact Boi.
Finally I’ve learned something my state invented that was useful. Other then the machine gun
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I wonder how well this system of propulsion would work on an underwater vehicle?
the front and rear screws have the same angle, that makes it redundant.
reshaping the rear for higher angle to further accelerate water reduces the front screw efficiency.
I'd say not very well
Zil 4906 was also called "Bluebird"
Except for Colin Furze. Who said "HOLD MAH TEAH!" and made his own. :)
Interesting. Not something I was aware of before.
Search "Erkanoplan" or "The Caspian Sea Monster"
If the screw was in 4 sections, they could be rotated 90 degrees and function like a wheel.
No they would not function like a wheel
they would function as a pseudo wheel but still tear up the ground beneath them because that's just how corkscrews work
There's a screw drive farm tractor at the California Agricultural Museum in Woodland California.
They look like they would be better than Tracked Vehicle's?💯👍👍 Id rock a Troop Carrier with screw wheels on em! hard get stuck!? Maybe
Am I the only one who would be interested in a video on The Fender Stratocaster or Gibson Les Paul?
TH-camr British shed inventor Colin Furze built a screw-driven vehicle - he does some GOOD builds!
Elephants are still used in many Asian countries.
No mention of the Shagohod?
They tries to make us believe the concept would be viable.
We said "screw that"
So it's mostly useful as a last resort. Might do well as deployable outriggers on a vehicle to deal with a mix of mud, water, and sand or snow whenever the main drive wheels can't handle it anymore.
Not really, more appropriate as a "plan b" utility vehicle, much like hovercraft. You can use them to access areas that you otherwise couldn't, easing construction of roads through such areas in support of better performing vehicles. Prefer hovercraft if you want more speed, and screw vehicles if you want to deal with hillier terrain.
Opposing forces after seeing these vehicles : Yup, we are screwed
Also good enough for metal gear.
Kojima is an idiot, why tf does the metal gear have screw propulsion when it's supposed to go really fast? Screw propulsion is like the exact opposite of fast.
@@rubiconnn true but in terms of the timeline for the game being around the Vietnam War and the US testing similar craft it dose line up. Granted it may not be practical but it kinda look cool.
Well that's a cool idea!
Waiting for a Gak-propelled vehicle
I wondered if one could use self-sealing tank technology to reduce the problem of small arms fire puncture... with pressurized "tubes", the internal pressure can force material into a fairly large hole...if a pressure sensor is included, the vehicle/operator can detect an un-sealable hole, and/or pump more air into the cylinder for short-term mission continuation.
The exhaust could def provide the pressure or a pump off the motor. It's a great idea and certainly viable. It makes me think of the SAAB with the track-ball wheels. That thing was incredible- able to go at any speed in any direction.
Or just fill the tubes with Styrofoam...still buoyant, but wouldn't take on mud/water.
While they might be ill-suited for terrestrial use, what about exterrestrial missions? Might a screw drive be superior to tires or drones on the Moon, Mars, or similar environments?
Mars with all the rocks, screws all around the vehicle so it has no real top or bottom would be ideal. -It could tumble itself over if needed and do all kinds of gnarly things. I'm fairly certain something like that would outclass wheels of any design.
ZIL was the manufacturer. I wonder of Simon would have understood Russian and thought Russian names would have been better inspired.
The title: Screw-Propelled Vehicles: Surprising Advantages in Warfare
The content: None were ever used in warfare because they were considered useless, with more disadvantages than advantages that cannot be overcome due to physics, no matter how much technology advances in the future.
i 1st encountered this type of vehicle in operation Anchorage, (Fallout 3's DLC)
SHREDDER!!!
For a screw designed propeller system it would work in water even if it has a hole in the main part of the tank so long as the hold which is the ship hold can take the excess water amount it could reduce speed but it would still be capable of traversing through water
It would still produce a tipping effect though, so not desirable regardless. Some sort of sealing foam would be better, but you'd have to worry about it burning if attacked.
THE SHAGOHOD?!
I have those same porcelain cacti lol, I got them at ikea :3
Anyone remember the Tyco Terrain Twister when they were kids?
Now we just have to add a laser cannon to it
the screw idea actually probably be use as engine piece for flying I don't know just thinking about it
1:45 - Chapter 1 - Origin
3:55 - Chapter 2 - Military interest
9:20 - Chapter 3 - Final thoughts
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- Chapter 6 -
Who else start laughing when you first seen it move 😂
i use a screw driven vehicle in crossout the screws couses damage to oppossing vehicles pretty fun
screws are my favorite locomotion method in crossout, once you get used to strafing sideways to peek around cover you can never go back to treads lol
I have rarely heard such a long winded explanation of how a zero turn mower or skid steer operates outside of military focused channels :P.
Gotta be thorough
He doesn't mention skid-steer at all. I think he's a noob and probably has no clue of it in reality. Love driving the Bobcat. my favorite toy.
@@zysis you’re probably right.
what if you put rollers on the screws like an omniwheel or a mecanum(sp?) drive? would it be road legal?
Why not AT-AT Star Wars walkers?
Designed by the Sokolov Design Bureau. Final prototype destroyed at Grozny Grad.
4:48 “Both LEATHERS”? Come on Simon! You’re BRITISH for goodness sake!
ZIL means
"Factory in the name of Lenin"
First letters of each word in Russian.
I disagree with the conclusion. As antarctica becomes colonized in this century, the screw drive will be THE work truck of the south pole, with rolligons being used for snow road cargo transport.
Simon will make a video about literally anything else except the F22 Raptor 🤣
Thought for sure I'd see a Colin Furze reference in here somwhere. Shame.
Still can't believe there is none of these in the Mad Max universe. 😒
What if you wrapped a long rubber "U" channel strip around the screw that was steel belted and made out of vulcanized rubber like a tire? So instead of a spiral blade you had a spiral tire instead.
Are those screws any good at ploughing fields?