@@HeyoDaddyO Lori: "Shane is dangerous" - Rick kills Shane because he's dangerous and tried to kill Rick - Lori refuses to talk to Rick because he killed Shane
Yep. That relationship was doomed from the start. Lana's trust issues were incompatible with Clark's need for secrecy. So when they introduced Lois in season 4, I was all ready for Clark to move on. But he didn't. They ended up making her irradiated with Kryptonite in season 8 after bringing her back to complicate things with Lois.
@@Dalthos2 Aye I like Lana too, but she was not all around a good person, or partner for Clark. I'm rewatching the show and I've seen countless times Clark saved her, she knows he has, and she still tells him, basically, to jump off a bridge, them she comes to her senses and apologizes to Clark.
Amy Pond had her flaws, but during her run on the show she underwent character development and improved dramatically. Most of the sins you sited were during her first year on the show. By her second season there was no doubt that Rory was the love of her life ("Rory is the most beautiful man I've ever met." - The Girl Who Waited) to the point where she voluntarily shared his exile in the past at the end of their run. Yeah, I have issues with how they wrote them off, but in the end Amy chose Rory over all other considerations. Rory may have deserved better, but in the end Amy sought to be better.
@@thembill8246 The first time Amy went off with the Doctor it was the night before her wedding. But since she was back without Rory knowing i dont think it counts. And yes, most of the 'sins' were in the first season, she showed major growth throughout their run. She came to realize what most of us knew..Rory is the perfect man ;)
Honestly Amy is my least favourite companion ever and yes I include Adric -Mel and Dodo in that. She was always sulking or crying and Rory did deserve a lot better yes she picked Rory in the end but only after The Doctor made it very clear nothing was ever going to happen between them if she thought there was a chance Rory would have gotten dumped without a first let alone second thought
Also, I would have included Rose Tyler. She treats her poor boyfriend Mickey like crap as soon as The Doc showed up, completely overreeacted when The Doc regenerated (even though it happened right in front of her), was completely disgusting and disrespectful to Sarah Jane Smith and just completely turned into a possessive girlfriend. And she still wasn't happy when she ended up with The Doc's clone. I seriously, seriously hate her.
I don't really know if I'd say he was a terrible person but Darrin Stephens attitude really pissed me off on "Bewitched". So his wife was a witch - so what? I always felt like his "you can't be who you really are supposed to be" attitude about Samantha using her powers really crappy.
I agree with you, and I haven't watched this show, but I think his attitude towards his wife was from the time they were in and his up bringing tinted his view of her.
I don't know if they intended, it but I read a twinge of 'Civil Rights' Parable watching reruns in College (FWIW) in that She was 'Passing' and if she Publicly displayed too much of her heritage they could be outed as an 'Interracial' couple... so it was less "Don't be who you are." as much as don't get caught or we're both in trouble... Then of course there is the insults and personal attacks that he suffered from his Mother in Law solely because Samantha married a Mortal (again some racial allegory?) to say nothing of the physical abuse he suffered whenever another of her relatives showed up... is it any wonder he doesn't want her to turn out/ act like them.. all of that aside if you look at the era; how much of it was a sanitized/G-rated version of what we saw unfiltered in Mad Men... Darrin worked in Advertising (heck I think Mad Men might have even name checked the Agency he Worked for as an Easter Egg) he might have fancied himself a Draper-type... and had he married a lesser woman, could have easily turned her into 'Betty 2.0'
I'm so glad that Ted, Ross, Leonard and Dawson are being seen as the Entitled Nice Guys that they are nowadays. They should form some kind of a Support Group, since their behaviour DEFINITELY wouldn't fly today.
I don't know about the Star Trek bit, that's like comparing apples and oranges. It sounds disgusting by our standards, but with such a short life what sounds good?
Yeah, I didn't agree with that one. Especially since I'm currently bingeing Voyager. I _do_ like Neelix much more once they aren't together, though. I still can't figure out how the hell they met though.
If Kes starts the show one-fourth of the way through her nine-year lifespan, compare that to a seventy-two year human lifespan, and she's equivalent to an eighteen year old. Young, but not prohibitively so.
@@user-mg5mv2tn8q And even then physical and mental maturation rates during a species' lifespan can vary. A 2 year old Ocampa could be the equivalent of a human in mid-twenties.
@@MrSavagemaster She was always pretty emotionally mature, though yes, somewhat naive. I think she helped with emotional growth for multiple characters, especially early on- Neelix, sure, but the Doctor wouldn't be who he was without her (and he is amazing). And while I thought Jennifer Lien did a great job acting in Warlord, I couldn't stand Kes after that. The Neelix breakup was understandable (and I think matured his character) but she was just a completely different character after a single episode.
While I disagree with the judgment that Jack Shephard is a terrible person, I can see why his obsessive nature - an obsession with doing the right thing, as he perceives it, and saving others - would make him unlikable to many, though unlikable and terrible are not the same thing. But I find this criticism - "Judging his dad for drinking on the job" - to be bizarre. His dad's job was head of surgery at a large hospital. Christian Shephard was performing surgery while drunk. Jack struggles with the decision, but ultimately does the right thing and turns his father in. This is evidence of his being a good person. Betraying his father may make him unlikable, but doesn't make him a bad person. Loyalty is not always a good thing. I've never seen an episode of How I Met Your Mother. The premise doesn't appeal to me. So I can't comment on Ted Mosby. The rest, however are examples of people being unlikable, often making bad decisions, not being terrible. Having revisited Friends when it came to Netflix, I found my 20 years later perspective changed how I saw things drastically. Phoebe is the only one of the Friends that I find remotely likable. But again, likability and being a good person are separate things. Darth Vader is cool and badass and pure evil (I've never accepted that he deserves redemption at the end - his one "good" act is not killing his own son). Elphaba in Wicked is hard to like, but she's also the only genuinely good person in the musical. And in the original Wizard of Oz, the Wicked Witch of the West is also easy to hate . . . but she was also mostly in the right. She wants her sister's shoes back. That's it, she wants the property that rightly belongs to her to be returned. When the quartet shows up to break into her house and kill her, she defends herself. I can't watch the Wizard of Oz without thinking that the Witch is as much of a victim as Dorothy and the trio, and the true villains are the Wizard and Glinda. My favorite is Jack and the Beanstalk - Jack is a charming trickster who repeatedly breaks into a man's house to steal his things, then murders the homeowner for trying to stop him, and the giant is basically chillin' out when Jack repeatedly steals his most valuable property over and over and is killed while trying to catch the burgler. Likable Jack is a terrible person, and the monstrous Giant is at worst an innocent victim.
To be fair Ross suffered a lot. He fathered a child with his wife only for her to leave him for another woman. He was constantly put down by his friends even though he had the coolest job and Rachael strung him along.
I know! I loved Gilmore Girls for the most part, mostly for the side characters. By the end, both Lorelei and Rory were so self centered. It's like Lorelei was permanently stuck at the age of 16 as far as relationships go. For someone who who wanted to "break free" of the society debutante world her parents pushed her towards, she was still a princess who wanted everything her way.
@@wanderer7956 The side characters were amazing. I did like the chemistry between Sookie and Jackson. The storyline with Lane and her mother (including Zack and Brian) was always one of my favorites, and (hate me if you must) before A Year in the Life, I was in love with Logan's character and development (as much as a lesbian can love him). However, on rewatch, especially as I got older I really didn't like Luke most of the time. I was always more fond of Christopher especially, and also Max (?) Rory's teacher. I did not like Richard's business partner she dated though. Sorry for ranting, but yes, side characters were amazing even ones I was less fond of like Kirk and Babette
Penny was a horrible gf and the villain of TBBT. Her and Leonard make no sense as a couple, he only cared that she was beautiful. Had nothing in common, and she constantly made fun of the things he enjoyed, and made him feel bad about them.
Agatha Christie detectives are terrible. The "victim" is usually some loathsome creep who everybody hated and the murderer a thoroughly wronged person pushed to the brink by them. Once I knew the facts i would keep my gob shut and to hell with the law.
Xander was not a terrible person. Xander was a looser, pretty and simple... with tons of fear, insicurity, complex over complex and sadness, always saw himself out of place in any kind of situation. A tragedy in the end, but not a terrible person or character. Others were terrible people, in that series... most were also the villains..
Almost as if characters in the middle of the morality scale are capable of doing terrible things without being outright evil. Makes for more interesting characters to have characters who are flawed, make mistakes and aren't perfect, anyway...
I do too, but I hated how he wouldn't give Faith, Spike, and Angel a second chance. I really can't stand how he messed up everything with Anya and how he treated her.
So yall are saying Leonard is bad for being insecure and not growing out of that? While calling his friends nerds while at the same time adding himself to that equation everytime he does that? The same friends who you said they try to help him but most of the show were basically telling him to give up on the person he loved because he was ultimately beneath her??? Really?
@@stevegallo8483 seriously. I feel they were just adding Leonard to add to the list. Leonard practically people pleased his way throughout that show, from Sheldon and his many needs to Penny in order to accommodate a lot of things just so he can be with his dream girl.
Not sure judging aliens for their ALIEN biology/physiology is something that needs to be done. You cannot put human customs on alien species that’s just weird.
Dr. Thaddeus Venture The Venture Bros Mostly because of his traumitizing childhood still don't like him favoring Dean over Hank Venture thank god for Brock Samson he's the best character
Ted wasn't the best guy and the premise was weak once revealed but Lily was the worst person/character on that show hands down. She treated everyone around her like garbage and actively ruined their lives to get her preferred outcomes. She is awful.
True, but not as bad as Barney, the rapist. And Robin was spoiled, rich, judgmental, and willing to sabotage Ted's relationships. Marshall was probably the only decent human of the bunch---and he liked slapping people!
I’d add Leslie Knope from Parks & Rec, but it really isn’t subtle and her railroading behavior is addressed a number of times. Everyone on the cast is terrible for mistreating Jerry/Garry, but that’s all part of a classic comedy bit - the unfairly mistreated guy has a secret awesome home life and is generally happy despite the disrespect of his coworkers. They’re bad for doing it, but it’s framed as being like a cosmic thing, as if the universe has given Gergich a magical blessing and curse - at home, he is blessed beyond all rational expectation, while at work, his coworkers abuse him to an irrational extent, with even the most empathetic characters wholly unable to recognize it and even are drawn to participate. I mean, really, it’s just a comedy bit, and the laws of reason are suspended for the sake of the gag, with the corresponding “beautiful attentive wife, beautiful loving children, etc” allowing the audience to continue to enjoy the joke because they know Gergich will be fine at the end of the day.
I disagree a whole bunch with this list. Jim is definitely mean to Dwight and bullies him, but Jim for the most part does it in a light hearted manner which is through pranks. But the thing is Dwight is basically/sort of a horrible person to everyone which includes Jim. So in fact it’s two people being distasteful to one another. And could you really blame Jim, imagine having Dwight as a coworker and a new guy comes in and meets Dwight, who is immediately hostile and rude, so the new guy plays pranks on him, which probably goes to far and becomes non-stop. Also, I still do not condone Jim’s actions regarding Pam, but it is without a doubt Pam’s fault a whole lot more than Jim. Her actions are far worse. In a relationship with someone, you must expect your SO to be hit on but for your SO to shut down others, and especially not for your SO to flirt with them. Jim himself could have stepped back from Pam, but when he’s head over heels for her and she still flirts with him, that’s a pretty hard ask. But in the end he still moves branches to get away from her. With Karen, that’s not great. The relationship was born out of the fact that Jim could never get Pam, but Jim isn’t as flirty with Pam when with Karen, but Pam is very much flirty with Jim, understandably as she broke it of with Roy because of Jim. I haven’t watched The Office in a while so some details could be wrong but overall this video was lacking and I would write so much more but would write a dissertation then.
So it's OK for Jim to be flirty with Pam when Pam is in a relationship, but not for Pam to be flirty with Jim when he is in a relationship? That's a double standard.
@@mshilah I never said that either of their of their flirting was ok, both of their flirting is bad. But I did give connotation/context to their flirting. And both their flirting happened in different circumstances; Jim flirted with Pam and she flirted back with Jim, this is when Pam was in a relationship. Both shouldn’t of flirted and it was bad on both of them. Fair to Jim though as he was head over hills for this girl and this girl is flirting with him, hard to expect anyone to have that self control not to flirt. Both definitely should not have flirted though but especially Pam as she was in a relationship. Arguably you could even argue it was just playful office banter, and there was nothing wrong with it. Anyways Jim moved to another branch because of it, so he does end up sort of calling off his flirting. Then Jim was with Karen. Jim most definitely flirted less and less intensely with Pam as both had done before. But their was still some flirting and most of it was from Pam. To be fair to Pam though, she’d broken off her engagement to Roy, which was the right thing to do; I doubt any sane person could break off an engagement due to having feelings for someone else and then just not pursue that person. Correct me if am wrong but she also didn’t break off her engagement and for her to go ‘I am going to break Jim and Karen up’, she didn’t even know Jim was in a relationship. Being the moral police, Jim and Pam should never have flirted and interacted the way they did. But from a realistic stand point - they were in such a hard position, that they handled very well, and I find it hard pressed that many people would do the same, nor should they be judged as bad people for it when they ended up being the best people for one another in the end. No double standard.
Pam was engaged. Jim was just dating. Karen didn't have to move. She wanted too, and with her job gone, she also moved for work reasons. She had a client base at stake. Jim had the best of intentions with Karen. Pam hated being with Roy and should have ended that years ago. Ultimately though both are flawed heroes.
Agreed. Plus, the video made it seem like Jim didn't support Pam in her career endeavors. He never got in the way and supported her each time she changed her mind. However, when he wanted to pursue the whole sports rep thing, she really didn't want to leave Scranton and held him back. She is flawed but they all are - makes for a great show.
Jim is a classic narcissist and borderline sociopath. We think of him as the hero, but really he is a terrible terrible person that they try to gloss over and make the good guy by having him smirk a bunch and do the occasional good deed. He is white male entitlement encapsulated.
Skyler White is worse than Marie in Breaking Bad and a lot of times shes framed as the victim while Marie is clearly in the wrong for being a clepto. She even gets help for it. and theres whole video essays about how Jim is bad I dont think thats a secret
@@NeuromancerLV The creators kinda have a point, cause most people hate Skylar, but love Walt(the dude who literally poisoned a child!!!!) While Skylar and Marie had their annoying moments, the truly terrible person was Walter White.
@@LilySayyy Oh for sure WW was the worst of all. But blaming viewer dislike of Skylar on misogyny is weak sauce IMHO. She was better in later seasons but in the beginning she was a condescending bully. If they wanted her to be well liked from the start they should have written her differently.
@@NeuromancerLV Skylar is rather dislikable at the begining of the show but I grew to love her and sympathize with her because she was put in a seriously messed up position and she did the best she could. What I think is blamed on certain viewers is that they paint Skylar in a much worse colour than she truly is all while putting Walt on this weird pedestal. It's the dichotomy that's pointed out as misogyny. And to be fair, it wasn't "just" a dislike. There were active hate campaigns against Skylar. There are still people who, to this day, will argue that she was the worst of the lot, that she was somehow more manipulative than Walt, and that she was his true accomplice and as in on the meth business as he was. Some will even go as far as to say that she's the reason Walt had no other choice than to do what he did. It's all ridiculous, and it all stems from deeply rooted misogyny.
I guess nuance is something that is totally lost on whoever wrote this list. Why don't you give us a list of 10 totally flawless 2 dimensional characters that live up to your high standards. Awful list.
At least Neelix actually changed and became a better person on VOYAGER. Yeah the whole age difference between Kes & Neelix is a bit creepy, but they are both aliens at the end of the day! I'm glad they dropped that romance in Season 3. Everything gradually got better in terms of story and writing midway through VOYAGERS third year!
Neelix was always the worst for me, but the Kes age difference never bothered me. You can't judge the maturity of one species based on you own species' lifespan.
By our standards Kes would be equivalent to someone in their 20’s around a quarter of the way though their lifespan. In other species someone in their 20s would be considered a child and they may find it odd that Humans consider a 20 year old a adult
@@DanielDeLeon69 because she's manipulative and controlling of her "friends" lives. I personally still think Ted is worse, but that's why Lily is also a bad person.
The entry on Leonard is trash. You tell about his insecurities but not the horrible things he does. He never did anything terrible. Don't speak of him briefly cheating on Penny; that was written for only shock value, a tacked-on twist, and a major derailment.
... He purposely gave a false positive result on Sheldon's probably 100,000 dollar experiment and then had the whole way home to tell him before he sent those false results to multiple people and ruining the reputation of everyone on the trip but especially his best friend. Stole dates from the other guys. kinda stalked penny for a bit. tried to give a north korean spy rocket fuel... need I continue? told the woman he loved that she was kinda too stupid for him, treated penny like a trophy to be won, and treats her badly for his own ego. pressured her into almost every step of their relationship and could not give her space, time, or actual real friendship until after they were married and stuck with each other? made penny give up her dreams, and discouraged her from going to community college. encouraging amy when sheldon was clearly uncomfortable with how fast she wanted to take the relationship physically which caused them to have a break. i'm sure i missed a lot but i haven't seen the show in a while
I watch just a few of these. Neelix just the most ANNOYING Star Trek character ever. Rachael Green takedown was way overdone and I see your point with Jack but Lost was just a mess overall. Marie Schrader was both terrible and annoying as hell. Your Jim Hatred at number one was unhinged. He kissed Pam ONCE in Casino night, not repeatedly.Roy stunk as a boyfriend and Fiancé any way- your other points were weak. Just embrace your hate. Dwight, with Nazi family blood was far more terrible
Jim is only seen as a villain because, unexpectedly, audiences started to love Dwight and what was initially valid pranking/retaliation for Dwight making work life difficult became seen as bullying. Season 9 Jim was undeniably awful, though. The writers did his character dirty for the cheap sake of plot development. They also tried to make him cheat on Pam in season 8, but John Krasinski refused to film those scenes. If you were going to go with an office character, Michael is clearly the worst.
Agreed! I'm binge-watching The Office again and Steve Carall is fantastic as Michael. However, Michael is incredibly selfish, childish and infuriating! He is very rarely able to recognize other's pain or discomfort...although he's often able to create it or contribute to it!
Whoever's reading this, i pray that whatever you're going through gets better and whatever you're struggling with or worrying about is going to be fine and that everyone has a fantastic day! Amen
Every day for me is great. Possibly because I've never bothered with imaginary friends who never, ever come through if you ask them for anything. I need something - I sort it out for myself. Life is too short to worry about stuff.
I can blame him for a lot of stuff but them acting like he's the worst for having inferiority issues because vampire slayer chose a literal 300-year-old pedo of a vamp to date is weird. if i'm honest i can't blame him for not telling buffy about willow trying that re-soul spell because if it hadn't actually worked then what? they sacrificed the world for buffy's high school romance?
How is Cam from Modern Family not on this list. He's SO toxic. He's manipulative, selfish, a liar, jealous of anyone other than himself having anything remotely good happen to him, he has to be the center of attention at all times, he gossips non stop even to his husband's detriment, and so much more.
Agreed. For every episode where he's shown to be the strong, stable, supportive guy (and he is), there are at least five episodes showing him as a self-absorbed and ultimately uncaring whiner.
I saw a video the for a there on why Jim hates Dwight so much is because Dwight is do what he wants like his dream job and Jim is stuck where he is with his faild dream and it makes him mad that his lowest point makes another man happy
Perhaps not that secret, but I'd say Jack Bauer from 24 is a pretty terrible person--although someone who pretty much has to be terrible to save the day. He was a very flawed character from the first episode when it was clear he had cheated on Terri. And every season, Jack simply acts without thinking or taking opinions of others into account. While he turns out to be right more often than not, it keeps him from connecting to others, or even from accomplishing his goals at times. Another one that may not be so secret, but Jock Ewing of Dallas is a pretty terrible person. While he loves his family, he drove one son out of the state (Gary), kept another secret for years (Ray), and pitted the other two against each other, even after his death (Bobby and JR). He also kept the ongoing feud against the Barnes family, particularly Digger, which drove Digger to his death.
The charming in once alone a time. They act like these pious role models, but deep down, they're hypocrites, who judge others for mistakes and wrongdoings as bad as their own
When a "nice" character abruptly starts doing mean things, it's usually a sign that the writers are out of ideas. People being uncharacteristically selfish / greedy is a very easy way to bring conflict in to a plot. Sometimes it's also comforting to the audience "if that nice character can do something selfish like that, I'm not too bad for doing similar things myself."
"Charlotte " from Sex in the City ". Overly fussy and her expectations unrealistic. Married her first husband because he looked good on paper and not much else. So, she sleeps with "some dide". Very judgmental about Samantha's choices but could get "down low" at a moment's notice.
I'm still bitter about Xander. At the start, he was my favorite character. As the series went on, I started disliking him more and more, he just seemed so clueless, spiteful, and self absorbed. When he dumped Anya, it was over, he became the worst character in the show for me =(
I think Lennard is unfair. Yea he let his insecurities lead him alot but being a doormat doesn't really make him a bad person. On top of his constant mistreatment FROM his friends. Hell he was berated for being okay giving up his want for kids rather than forcing penny to choice a kid she didn't want or leave the marriage
Good grief. Kes' species ages faster than humans. She's not a child, she is an adult. The relationship was terrible, Neelix was annoying, but no she wasn't a child.
Lol, Jack 'not making time for his son...'? Jack never had a son! (Only in the 'flash-sideways', which weren't exactly real). Anyhow, regarding 'The Office', Jim is by no stretch of the imagination a bad guy! He's a decent man who pulls hilarious pranks. And if you watch the show closely, Dwight does terrible things to Jim throughout - not just pranks, but actions that could seriously hurt Jim financially and/or ruin his career. Sure, Jim's a slacker at first, but his character grows and matures throughout the show. He makes some mistakes, but when he realizes what he's done, he makes up for them. He didn't kiss Pam 'repeatedly' - who wrote that? He decided to express his feelings to her and kissed her once. When she said 'no', he backed-off. If you're going to choose a 'terrible person' from the office, it would 100% be Michael. One of the most infuriating, needy, selfish, embarrassing, childish characters ever written!
Except Amy, in the end, made the decision to follow Rory. Unlike most of these others, she didn't manipulate him into anything. He willingly followed like said puppy dog, he's as much to blame as she is. But when it came to it in the end, she let the angel take her back to him to live out their days. I didn't watch Lost, but he had no responsibility to use his skills for anyone else's benefit. No one exists to support anyone else.
Pam should also be on this list plus her "art career" was an absolute joke and her pieces were usually just a way for her to get people to say she did a good job. Low self esteem people pleasers are perfect for a self serving jacka** narcissist.
Well pretty much every lead character in sitcoms are horrible people. Like JD from Scrubs. tough the series addresses that a couple of times he really doesn't grow much
Pam Beasley cheated on her fiance Roy, with Jim and it is implied she did again on Jim, or atleast got close to cheating with a documentary cameraman. She is also not nice to anyone else in the office.
Lori did not convince Rick to rescue Merle. Rick and T-Dog decided to go with Daryl back into Atlanta to rescue Merle. Rick convinced Glenn to go with them. Get your facts straight.
Yeah, I disagree with that one too, especially because they say "he didn't make time for his son" when his son didn't exist, he was a construct of the flash-sideways. If I'd have to choose one character on Lost who was secretly a terrible person, it'd be Charlie Pace, not Jack Shephard.
Terrible take on like 4 people on this list… I feel like they didn’t watch any of these shows and putting Jim at #1, really tells me you didn’t watch the show
I could never stand Jim Halpert! I never understood the likability of him. I was never a Jam fan but even how he treated and spoke to Pam. Especially the episode when he missed Cece's recital, unforgivable!
Similar to Amy Pond in Doctor Who, the spin off series Torchwood had the ghastly Gwen Cooper. Constantly lying to her scripted SIMP boyfriend while bagging off with others, her 'ballsy woman' act going against the male Captain Harkness's advice often caused the team to be in danger, and I stopped watching after 2 series and characters I liked were no more thanks to her selfish stubborn actions causing it.
Considering how badly Roy actually treated Pam and we are shown that continuously throughout the show, Jim is basically the guy that says "you deserve better" and then gives it to her. So trying to place him as "the bad guy" makes you look like a fool lol you mean pam, who was engaged for years and basically forced to wait to get married, to a guy who didn't want to marry her lol considered her options and found someone who actually wanted her? XD *facepalm* Pams dream actually did not die and she went on to paint murals and handle other large projects, that not only encouraged but sustained her desire to be an artist. Being a mom had nothing to do with that and she was never a stay at home mom else she would not work at the office lol The whole irony of Jim starting his own Company was due to Jim and Pam having a discussion in an earlier episode where Pam clearly says "if you start your own company you'd tell me right?", thus the segway from that lead into Jim starting Athleat, which was a joke / gag due to the previous statement from Pam. Jim actually purchased the house on his own, to give to Pam as a place to express her art and grow as an artist, as well as a place for them to start a family lol if all you see is selfishness, then you sir have some pretty deluded thoughts about what a relationship / family is all about XD Seems like you missed the whole point of The Office show and projected your own stuff into the show, that's clearly not there lol
I loved Buffy summers the first few seasons but by the end I hated her and wanted her to die,she became so self righteous and treated her friends like crap even though they were always there for her and saved her time and time again.really everyone on that show went from good to crappy except spike.
Not only that, but Jack does start making time for his son in the flash sideways. The whole point of his character arc throughout the series is to show just how deeply flawed he actually is; yeah, he has issues, kinda the whole point of the show, but he finally shows himself to be working through them by the end. It’s very intentional that the show sets him up as the hero only to break him down and eventually redeem him.
This list came off rather "edgelord-y". While some of these are clearly not as good as their writers or actors would like you to think, maybe you should have called it "Why every popular character is a total piece of s*** if you look close enough"?
@@LilySayyy yeah, there are a few I like and watched for. Actually, I watched through season five because of Blaine and even he had HUGE flaws. I just personally thought his positive traits were better than his negative
Really? Is that all you say for neelix? Yes the kes stuff is bad but he lies constantly about his experiences saying he’s a survival expert and is immediately responsible for someone’s death. He causes a I bio contagion on the ship nearly crippling it. He put the crew in danger in the very first episode lying to them then goes back on a deal that the bad guys followed through on. He forces his bs on everyone but gets really defensive when it’s the other way around. I could go on and on. Also as shitty as xander is he is not even close to as bad as spike or faith
Literally when I took a psychology class one of the students did a presentation on why Jim showed traits of being a sociopath… it was awesome
Lori being terrible isn't really a secret
Getting pregnant by another Man while your Husband is in Hospital in a coma isn't bad?
@@susanalderson8267 wait it was just a lie???
I know right? I absolutely hated her from the beginning. I applauded her death haha 😅 but then Carl's grief ruined my jubilation
Why was she terrible tho… because she believed a man that told her that her husband was dead and in her vulnerable state he banged her???
@@HeyoDaddyO Lori: "Shane is dangerous"
- Rick kills Shane because he's dangerous and tried to kill Rick
- Lori refuses to talk to Rick because he killed Shane
Lana Lang from SMALLVILLE. Lana’s “right” to know everything about Clark took self-righteousness and entitlement to new levels .
It really annoyed me how she turned on Clark over and over again but he kept taking her back
Yep. That relationship was doomed from the start. Lana's trust issues were incompatible with Clark's need for secrecy. So when they introduced Lois in season 4, I was all ready for Clark to move on. But he didn't. They ended up making her irradiated with Kryptonite in season 8 after bringing her back to complicate things with Lois.
I'm Team Lana, but then again I might just be a terrible simp.
@@Dalthos2 Aye I like Lana too, but she was not all around a good person, or partner for Clark. I'm rewatching the show and I've seen countless times Clark saved her, she knows he has, and she still tells him, basically, to jump off a bridge, them she comes to her senses and apologizes to Clark.
Amy Pond had her flaws, but during her run on the show she underwent character development and improved dramatically. Most of the sins you sited were during her first year on the show. By her second season there was no doubt that Rory was the love of her life ("Rory is the most beautiful man I've ever met." - The Girl Who Waited) to the point where she voluntarily shared his exile in the past at the end of their run. Yeah, I have issues with how they wrote them off, but in the end Amy chose Rory over all other considerations. Rory may have deserved better, but in the end Amy sought to be better.
Also, in what way did she walk out Rory on her wedding day?
@@thembill8246 The first time Amy went off with the Doctor it was the night before her wedding. But since she was back without Rory knowing i dont think it counts. And yes, most of the 'sins' were in the first season, she showed major growth throughout their run. She came to realize what most of us knew..Rory is the perfect man ;)
Yeah, I know, it's Rose I think deserves a place here
Honestly Amy is my least favourite companion ever and yes I include Adric -Mel and Dodo in that.
She was always sulking or crying and Rory did deserve a lot better yes she picked Rory in the end but only after The Doctor made it very clear nothing was ever going to happen between them if she thought there was a chance Rory would have gotten dumped without a first let alone second thought
@@TheDarkVampire666 Sounds like Rose (and I can't comment on classic Dr Who
Also, I would have included Rose Tyler. She treats her poor boyfriend Mickey like crap as soon as The Doc showed up, completely overreeacted when The Doc regenerated (even though it happened right in front of her), was completely disgusting and disrespectful to Sarah Jane Smith and just completely turned into a possessive girlfriend. And she still wasn't happy when she ended up with The Doc's clone. I seriously, seriously hate her.
I agree with you %100 She is my least favorite companion of the new who.
"Judging his dad for drink on the job" is not bad
I know fancy them thinking that’s something acceptable and shouldn’t be called out.
It’s absolutely no secret that Ted Moseby is a terrible person. He’s an absolute SeeYouNextTuesday
hes a SYNT? lol
He's my dad?
I would say that Penny is the secretly awful character in the Big Bang Theory.
They all were, to one degree or another.
Totally agree. She used to guys all the time for free meals, internet . Etc .. she was the worst
Zack Morris
Zack Morris is trash
Is trash
He’s trash
That was no secret
I don't really know if I'd say he was a terrible person but Darrin Stephens attitude really pissed me off on "Bewitched". So his wife was a witch - so what? I always felt like his "you can't be who you really are supposed to be" attitude about Samantha using her powers really crappy.
I agree with you, and I haven't watched this show, but I think his attitude towards his wife was from the time they were in and his up bringing tinted his view of her.
I don't know if they intended, it but I read a twinge of 'Civil Rights' Parable watching reruns in College (FWIW) in that She was 'Passing' and if she Publicly displayed too much of her heritage they could be outed as an 'Interracial' couple... so it was less "Don't be who you are." as much as don't get caught or we're both in trouble...
Then of course there is the insults and personal attacks that he suffered from his Mother in Law solely because Samantha married a Mortal (again some racial allegory?) to say nothing of the physical abuse he suffered whenever another of her relatives showed up... is it any wonder he doesn't want her to turn out/ act like them..
all of that aside if you look at the era; how much of it was a sanitized/G-rated version of what we saw unfiltered in Mad Men... Darrin worked in Advertising (heck I think Mad Men might have even name checked the Agency he Worked for as an Easter Egg) he might have fancied himself a Draper-type... and had he married a lesser woman, could have easily turned her into 'Betty 2.0'
@@TJ52359 Interesting points you bring up, I must say.
All I know is if my SO was magical I'd be totally like "magic away all you want, hon!"
@@PlatinumRoseLady It's all fun and games until they Put that Duck on the other side of the scale...
Thank you,
Jim is a villain, plain and simple
You all should explore the 70's and 80's..
You have ran these shows and topics into the ground
I never thought about that before,but you make an excellent point.
I'm so glad that Ted, Ross, Leonard and Dawson are being seen as the Entitled Nice Guys that they are nowadays. They should form some kind of a Support Group, since their behaviour DEFINITELY wouldn't fly today.
@@12thMandalorian Why should we be sympathetic to them?
Also rose is just as horrible to Micky in dr who. She pretty much ditches him as soon as the dr shows up
Ross is 1000000% the worst one.
Leonard isn't that bad.
Michael Scott is also toooooo bad to even consider anyone else
None of them is secretly terrible
Everyone knows they are terrible
I don't know about the Star Trek bit, that's like comparing apples and oranges. It sounds disgusting by our standards, but with such a short life what sounds good?
Yeah, I didn't agree with that one. Especially since I'm currently bingeing Voyager. I _do_ like Neelix much more once they aren't together, though.
I still can't figure out how the hell they met though.
If Kes starts the show one-fourth of the way through her nine-year lifespan, compare that to a seventy-two year human lifespan, and she's equivalent to an eighteen year old. Young, but not prohibitively so.
@@user-mg5mv2tn8q And even then physical and mental maturation rates during a species' lifespan can vary. A 2 year old Ocampa could be the equivalent of a human in mid-twenties.
@@MrSavagemaster She was always pretty emotionally mature, though yes, somewhat naive. I think she helped with emotional growth for multiple characters, especially early on- Neelix, sure, but the Doctor wouldn't be who he was without her (and he is amazing).
And while I thought Jennifer Lien did a great job acting in Warlord, I couldn't stand Kes after that. The Neelix breakup was understandable (and I think matured his character) but she was just a completely different character after a single episode.
While I disagree with the judgment that Jack Shephard is a terrible person, I can see why his obsessive nature - an obsession with doing the right thing, as he perceives it, and saving others - would make him unlikable to many, though unlikable and terrible are not the same thing. But I find this criticism - "Judging his dad for drinking on the job" - to be bizarre. His dad's job was head of surgery at a large hospital. Christian Shephard was performing surgery while drunk. Jack struggles with the decision, but ultimately does the right thing and turns his father in. This is evidence of his being a good person. Betraying his father may make him unlikable, but doesn't make him a bad person. Loyalty is not always a good thing.
I've never seen an episode of How I Met Your Mother. The premise doesn't appeal to me. So I can't comment on Ted Mosby. The rest, however are examples of people being unlikable, often making bad decisions, not being terrible.
Having revisited Friends when it came to Netflix, I found my 20 years later perspective changed how I saw things drastically. Phoebe is the only one of the Friends that I find remotely likable. But again, likability and being a good person are separate things. Darth Vader is cool and badass and pure evil (I've never accepted that he deserves redemption at the end - his one "good" act is not killing his own son).
Elphaba in Wicked is hard to like, but she's also the only genuinely good person in the musical. And in the original Wizard of Oz, the Wicked Witch of the West is also easy to hate . . . but she was also mostly in the right. She wants her sister's shoes back. That's it, she wants the property that rightly belongs to her to be returned. When the quartet shows up to break into her house and kill her, she defends herself. I can't watch the Wizard of Oz without thinking that the Witch is as much of a victim as Dorothy and the trio, and the true villains are the Wizard and Glinda.
My favorite is Jack and the Beanstalk - Jack is a charming trickster who repeatedly breaks into a man's house to steal his things, then murders the homeowner for trying to stop him, and the giant is basically chillin' out when Jack repeatedly steals his most valuable property over and over and is killed while trying to catch the burgler. Likable Jack is a terrible person, and the monstrous Giant is at worst an innocent victim.
To be fair Ross suffered a lot. He fathered a child with his wife only for her to leave him for another woman. He was constantly put down by his friends even though he had the coolest job and Rachael strung him along.
How is Dennis from Its Always Sunny not here? He’s the reasonable one at the start but becomes a serial killer as it goes on 😂
Well it’s not really a secret that he’s a narcissistic psychopath tho
Yeah it's weird that Charlie seems to be the " normal " one.
Always sunny kinda owns the fact that the characters are awful people 😂
It's kinda the point of the show.
It's really no secret that all the characters on the show are terrible.
Also I got so sick of Lorelei Gilmore from Gilmore Girls. At the end I was happy for Christopher that he saw the real her and left
I know! I loved Gilmore Girls for the most part, mostly for the side characters. By the end, both Lorelei and Rory were so self centered. It's like Lorelei was permanently stuck at the age of 16 as far as relationships go. For someone who who wanted to "break free" of the society debutante world her parents pushed her towards, she was still a princess who wanted everything her way.
@@wanderer7956 The side characters were amazing. I did like the chemistry between Sookie and Jackson. The storyline with Lane and her mother (including Zack and Brian) was always one of my favorites, and (hate me if you must) before A Year in the Life, I was in love with Logan's character and development (as much as a lesbian can love him).
However, on rewatch, especially as I got older I really didn't like Luke most of the time. I was always more fond of Christopher especially, and also Max (?) Rory's teacher. I did not like Richard's business partner she dated though.
Sorry for ranting, but yes, side characters were amazing even ones I was less fond of like Kirk and Babette
Judging characters in dramas for not being perfect. So, the twist is, Whatculture were the terrible people all along!
Penny was a horrible gf and the villain of TBBT. Her and Leonard make no sense as a couple, he only cared that she was beautiful. Had nothing in common, and she constantly made fun of the things he enjoyed, and made him feel bad about them.
Agatha Christie detectives are terrible. The "victim" is usually some loathsome creep who everybody hated and the murderer a thoroughly wronged person pushed to the brink by them. Once I knew the facts i would keep my gob shut and to hell with the law.
Xander was not a terrible person. Xander was a looser, pretty and simple... with tons of fear, insicurity, complex over complex and sadness, always saw himself out of place in any kind of situation. A tragedy in the end, but not a terrible person or character. Others were terrible people, in that series... most were also the villains..
You make a great point.
Almost as if characters in the middle of the morality scale are capable of doing terrible things without being outright evil. Makes for more interesting characters to have characters who are flawed, make mistakes and aren't perfect, anyway...
I might be in the minority here, but I disagree with that take on Leonard.
I love Xander Harris. Such a great, flawed character.
I do too, but I hated how he wouldn't give Faith, Spike, and Angel a second chance. I really can't stand how he messed up everything with Anya and how he treated her.
So yall are saying Leonard is bad for being insecure and not growing out of that? While calling his friends nerds while at the same time adding himself to that equation everytime he does that? The same friends who you said they try to help him but most of the show were basically telling him to give up on the person he loved because he was ultimately beneath her??? Really?
How was Leonard supposed to grow out of being insecure when Sheldon continually made him feel insecure.
@@stevegallo8483 seriously. I feel they were just adding Leonard to add to the list. Leonard practically people pleased his way throughout that show, from Sheldon and his many needs to Penny in order to accommodate a lot of things just so he can be with his dream girl.
Zack Morris.
They'd have to do a whole movie on why he's trash.
@@Frink108 Brock Lesnar gets arrested
Ted is a bad person and nobody should try to be like him.
Not sure judging aliens for their ALIEN biology/physiology is something that needs to be done. You cannot put human customs on alien species that’s just weird.
Dr. Thaddeus Venture The Venture Bros Mostly because of his traumitizing childhood still don't like him favoring Dean over Hank Venture thank god for Brock Samson he's the best character
I love this!
Not enough Venture Bros fans out there.
I hope it will come back after the movie.
This one is pretty overt though
Ted wasn't the best guy and the premise was weak once revealed but Lily was the worst person/character on that show hands down. She treated everyone around her like garbage and actively ruined their lives to get her preferred outcomes. She is awful.
True, but not as bad as Barney, the rapist.
And Robin was spoiled, rich, judgmental, and willing to sabotage Ted's relationships.
Marshall was probably the only decent human of the bunch---and he liked slapping people!
I’d add Leslie Knope from Parks & Rec, but it really isn’t subtle and her railroading behavior is addressed a number of times. Everyone on the cast is terrible for mistreating Jerry/Garry, but that’s all part of a classic comedy bit - the unfairly mistreated guy has a secret awesome home life and is generally happy despite the disrespect of his coworkers. They’re bad for doing it, but it’s framed as being like a cosmic thing, as if the universe has given Gergich a magical blessing and curse - at home, he is blessed beyond all rational expectation, while at work, his coworkers abuse him to an irrational extent, with even the most empathetic characters wholly unable to recognize it and even are drawn to participate. I mean, really, it’s just a comedy bit, and the laws of reason are suspended for the sake of the gag, with the corresponding “beautiful attentive wife, beautiful loving children, etc” allowing the audience to continue to enjoy the joke because they know Gergich will be fine at the end of the day.
I disagree a whole bunch with this list. Jim is definitely mean to Dwight and bullies him, but Jim for the most part does it in a light hearted manner which is through pranks. But the thing is Dwight is basically/sort of a horrible person to everyone which includes Jim. So in fact it’s two people being distasteful to one another. And could you really blame Jim, imagine having Dwight as a coworker and a new guy comes in and meets Dwight, who is immediately hostile and rude, so the new guy plays pranks on him, which probably goes to far and becomes non-stop. Also, I still do not condone Jim’s actions regarding Pam, but it is without a doubt Pam’s fault a whole lot more than Jim. Her actions are far worse. In a relationship with someone, you must expect your SO to be hit on but for your SO to shut down others, and especially not for your SO to flirt with them. Jim himself could have stepped back from Pam, but when he’s head over heels for her and she still flirts with him, that’s a pretty hard ask. But in the end he still moves branches to get away from her. With Karen, that’s not great. The relationship was born out of the fact that Jim could never get Pam, but Jim isn’t as flirty with Pam when with Karen, but Pam is very much flirty with Jim, understandably as she broke it of with Roy because of Jim.
I haven’t watched The Office in a while so some details could be wrong but overall this video was lacking and I would write so much more but would write a dissertation then.
So it's OK for Jim to be flirty with Pam when Pam is in a relationship, but not for Pam to be flirty with Jim when he is in a relationship? That's a double standard.
@@mshilah I never said that either of their of their flirting was ok, both of their flirting is bad. But I did give connotation/context to their flirting. And both their flirting happened in different circumstances;
Jim flirted with Pam and she flirted back with Jim, this is when Pam was in a relationship. Both shouldn’t of flirted and it was bad on both of them. Fair to Jim though as he was head over hills for this girl and this girl is flirting with him, hard to expect anyone to have that self control not to flirt. Both definitely should not have flirted though but especially Pam as she was in a relationship. Arguably you could even argue it was just playful office banter, and there was nothing wrong with it. Anyways Jim moved to another branch because of it, so he does end up sort of calling off his flirting.
Then Jim was with Karen. Jim most definitely flirted less and less intensely with Pam as both had done before. But their was still some flirting and most of it was from Pam. To be fair to Pam though, she’d broken off her engagement to Roy, which was the right thing to do; I doubt any sane person could break off an engagement due to having feelings for someone else and then just not pursue that person. Correct me if am wrong but she also didn’t break off her engagement and for her to go ‘I am going to break Jim and Karen up’, she didn’t even know Jim was in a relationship.
Being the moral police, Jim and Pam should never have flirted and interacted the way they did. But from a realistic stand point - they were in such a hard position, that they handled very well, and I find it hard pressed that many people would do the same, nor should they be judged as bad people for it when they ended up being the best people for one another in the end.
No double standard.
Pam was engaged. Jim was just dating.
Karen didn't have to move. She wanted too, and with her job gone, she also moved for work reasons. She had a client base at stake.
Jim had the best of intentions with Karen. Pam hated being with Roy and should have ended that years ago.
Ultimately though both are flawed heroes.
Agreed. Plus, the video made it seem like Jim didn't support Pam in her career endeavors. He never got in the way and supported her each time she changed her mind. However, when he wanted to pursue the whole sports rep thing, she really didn't want to leave Scranton and held him back. She is flawed but they all are - makes for a great show.
Jim is a classic narcissist and borderline sociopath. We think of him as the hero, but really he is a terrible terrible person that they try to gloss over and make the good guy by having him smirk a bunch and do the occasional good deed. He is white male entitlement encapsulated.
Skyler White is worse than Marie in Breaking Bad and a lot of times shes framed as the victim while Marie is clearly in the wrong for being a clepto. She even gets help for it.
and theres whole video essays about how Jim is bad I dont think thats a secret
agreed! klepto is nothing compared to how manipulative and secretive skyler was
And the creators of the show said "People who don't like Skylar probably hate women." Watch season 1 again and tell me she isn't a horrible person.
@@NeuromancerLV The creators kinda have a point, cause most people hate Skylar, but love Walt(the dude who literally poisoned a child!!!!)
While Skylar and Marie had their annoying moments, the truly terrible person was Walter White.
@@LilySayyy Oh for sure WW was the worst of all. But blaming viewer dislike of Skylar on misogyny is weak sauce IMHO. She was better in later seasons but in the beginning she was a condescending bully. If they wanted her to be well liked from the start they should have written her differently.
@@NeuromancerLV Skylar is rather dislikable at the begining of the show but I grew to love her and sympathize with her because she was put in a seriously messed up position and she did the best she could.
What I think is blamed on certain viewers is that they paint Skylar in a much worse colour than she truly is all while putting Walt on this weird pedestal. It's the dichotomy that's pointed out as misogyny.
And to be fair, it wasn't "just" a dislike. There were active hate campaigns against Skylar. There are still people who, to this day, will argue that she was the worst of the lot, that she was somehow more manipulative than Walt, and that she was his true accomplice and as in on the meth business as he was. Some will even go as far as to say that she's the reason Walt had no other choice than to do what he did. It's all ridiculous, and it all stems from deeply rooted misogyny.
Every single character in Peaky Blinders is not really a secret but it's an awesome show about awful people so I thought it was wroth a mention.
I guess nuance is something that is totally lost on whoever wrote this list. Why don't you give us a list of 10 totally flawless 2 dimensional characters that live up to your high standards. Awful list.
Rory Gilmore! She was awful, esp in the reboot.
Is anyone surprised that jim halpert or leonard is on this list? Because I didn't realize that was a hidden secret wasn't that their characters
At least Neelix actually changed and became a better person on VOYAGER. Yeah the whole age difference between Kes & Neelix is a bit creepy, but they are both aliens at the end of the day! I'm glad they dropped that romance in Season 3. Everything gradually got better in terms of story and writing midway through VOYAGERS third year!
Neelix was always the worst for me, but the Kes age difference never bothered me. You can't judge the maturity of one species based on you own species' lifespan.
By our standards Kes would be equivalent to someone in their 20’s around a quarter of the way though their lifespan.
In other species someone in their 20s would be considered a child and they may find it odd that Humans consider a 20 year old a adult
Lily is far worse than Ted if u ask me.
Why is she the worst???
@@DanielDeLeon69 because she's manipulative and controlling of her "friends" lives. I personally still think Ted is worse, but that's why Lily is also a bad person.
The entry on Leonard is trash. You tell about his insecurities but not the horrible things he does. He never did anything terrible. Don't speak of him briefly cheating on Penny; that was written for only shock value, a tacked-on twist, and a major derailment.
... He purposely gave a false positive result on Sheldon's probably 100,000 dollar experiment and then had the whole way home to tell him before he sent those false results to multiple people and ruining the reputation of everyone on the trip but especially his best friend. Stole dates from the other guys. kinda stalked penny for a bit. tried to give a north korean spy rocket fuel... need I continue? told the woman he loved that she was kinda too stupid for him, treated penny like a trophy to be won, and treats her badly for his own ego. pressured her into almost every step of their relationship and could not give her space, time, or actual real friendship until after they were married and stuck with each other? made penny give up her dreams, and discouraged her from going to community college. encouraging amy when sheldon was clearly uncomfortable with how fast she wanted to take the relationship physically which caused them to have a break. i'm sure i missed a lot but i haven't seen the show in a while
Jim was a office cut up, not a bad person. Engaged isn’t married, and he is as much a flawed character as Pam or Dwight.
I watch just a few of these. Neelix just the most ANNOYING Star Trek character ever. Rachael Green takedown was way overdone and I see your point with Jack but Lost was just a mess overall. Marie Schrader was both terrible and annoying as hell. Your Jim Hatred at number one was unhinged. He kissed Pam ONCE in Casino night, not repeatedly.Roy stunk as a boyfriend and Fiancé any way- your other points were weak. Just embrace your hate. Dwight, with Nazi family blood was far more terrible
Jim is only seen as a villain because, unexpectedly, audiences started to love Dwight and what was initially valid pranking/retaliation for Dwight making work life difficult became seen as bullying. Season 9 Jim was undeniably awful, though. The writers did his character dirty for the cheap sake of plot development. They also tried to make him cheat on Pam in season 8, but John Krasinski refused to film those scenes.
If you were going to go with an office character, Michael is clearly the worst.
Agreed! I'm binge-watching The Office again and Steve Carall is fantastic as Michael. However, Michael is incredibly selfish, childish and infuriating! He is very rarely able to recognize other's pain or discomfort...although he's often able to create it or contribute to it!
Whoever's reading this, i pray that whatever you're going through gets better and whatever you're struggling with or worrying about is going to be fine and that everyone has a fantastic day! Amen
The Farmer in the Dell
Every day for me is great. Possibly because I've never bothered with imaginary friends who never, ever come through if you ask them for anything. I need something - I sort it out for myself. Life is too short to worry about stuff.
Neelix wasn't bad as comedy relief.. and he helped the crew at times
Enjoyed this list, thought JD from Scrubs was a glaring omission though.
Right especially when he broke up with Elliot after ruining her engagement.
BS on Jim! Pam made it OBVIOUS that she didn’t want to be with Roy- and talk about someone pushing her away from her dreams. This is just so dumb
The character of Xander hit his peak in episode called the Zeppo everything was downhill after that
I can blame him for a lot of stuff but them acting like he's the worst for having inferiority issues because vampire slayer chose a literal 300-year-old pedo of a vamp to date is weird. if i'm honest i can't blame him for not telling buffy about willow trying that re-soul spell because if it hadn't actually worked then what? they sacrificed the world for buffy's high school romance?
How is Cam from Modern Family not on this list. He's SO toxic. He's manipulative, selfish, a liar, jealous of anyone other than himself having anything remotely good happen to him, he has to be the center of attention at all times, he gossips non stop even to his husband's detriment, and so much more.
Agreed. For every episode where he's shown to be the strong, stable, supportive guy (and he is), there are at least five episodes showing him as a self-absorbed and ultimately uncaring whiner.
Immature also.
I saw a video the for a there on why Jim hates Dwight so much is because Dwight is do what he wants like his dream job and Jim is stuck where he is with his faild dream and it makes him mad that his lowest point makes another man happy
Perhaps not that secret, but I'd say Jack Bauer from 24 is a pretty terrible person--although someone who pretty much has to be terrible to save the day. He was a very flawed character from the first episode when it was clear he had cheated on Terri. And every season, Jack simply acts without thinking or taking opinions of others into account. While he turns out to be right more often than not, it keeps him from connecting to others, or even from accomplishing his goals at times.
Another one that may not be so secret, but Jock Ewing of Dallas is a pretty terrible person. While he loves his family, he drove one son out of the state (Gary), kept another secret for years (Ray), and pitted the other two against each other, even after his death (Bobby and JR). He also kept the ongoing feud against the Barnes family, particularly Digger, which drove Digger to his death.
Hilarious video thanks for posting, but taking a few character flaws and making them out to be fatal to goodness doesn't really work.
The charming in once alone a time. They act like these pious role models, but deep down, they're hypocrites, who judge others for mistakes and wrongdoings as bad as their own
When a "nice" character abruptly starts doing mean things, it's usually a sign that the writers are out of ideas. People being uncharacteristically selfish / greedy is a very easy way to bring conflict in to a plot. Sometimes it's also comforting to the audience "if that nice character can do something selfish like that, I'm not too bad for doing similar things myself."
I saw the same thing in how I met your mother. 😂
"Charlotte " from Sex in the City ". Overly fussy and her expectations unrealistic. Married her first husband because he looked good on paper and not much else. So, she sleeps with "some dide". Very judgmental about Samantha's choices but could get "down low" at a moment's notice.
I’m just starting Lost for the first time…
JACK IS ANNOYING AS HELL. Does that continue??
I'm still bitter about Xander. At the start, he was my favorite character. As the series went on, I started disliking him more and more, he just seemed so clueless, spiteful, and self absorbed. When he dumped Anya, it was over, he became the worst character in the show for me =(
Ricky from High School Musical: The Musical: The Series
hell yeah
@@lopold7462 I am glad someone agrees :).
Thank you! Jim is legit the worst and I’ve gotten into so many debates about it!
He is literally not. Angela, Scott, and Dwight are 1000x worse. All he did was pull harmless pranks.
I don’t know why more people don’t see the simple truth the Jim was the worst.
I tried to get into friends but I couldn't get over how horrible the cast was
Right?! they are all terrible people who don't even really get consequences
How I Met Your Mother was beyond terrible.
I think Lennard is unfair. Yea he let his insecurities lead him alot but being a doormat doesn't really make him a bad person. On top of his constant mistreatment FROM his friends. Hell he was berated for being okay giving up his want for kids rather than forcing penny to choice a kid she didn't want or leave the marriage
Good grief. Kes' species ages faster than humans. She's not a child, she is an adult. The relationship was terrible, Neelix was annoying, but no she wasn't a child.
Karen from Californication.
Lol, Jack 'not making time for his son...'? Jack never had a son! (Only in the 'flash-sideways', which weren't exactly real). Anyhow, regarding 'The Office', Jim is by no stretch of the imagination a bad guy! He's a decent man who pulls hilarious pranks. And if you watch the show closely, Dwight does terrible things to Jim throughout - not just pranks, but actions that could seriously hurt Jim financially and/or ruin his career. Sure, Jim's a slacker at first, but his character grows and matures throughout the show. He makes some mistakes, but when he realizes what he's done, he makes up for them. He didn't kiss Pam 'repeatedly' - who wrote that? He decided to express his feelings to her and kissed her once. When she said 'no', he backed-off. If you're going to choose a 'terrible person' from the office, it would 100% be Michael. One of the most infuriating, needy, selfish, embarrassing, childish characters ever written!
Except Amy, in the end, made the decision to follow Rory. Unlike most of these others, she didn't manipulate him into anything. He willingly followed like said puppy dog, he's as much to blame as she is. But when it came to it in the end, she let the angel take her back to him to live out their days.
I didn't watch Lost, but he had no responsibility to use his skills for anyone else's benefit. No one exists to support anyone else.
Pam should also be on this list plus her "art career" was an absolute joke and her pieces were usually just a way for her to get people to say she did a good job.
Low self esteem people pleasers are perfect for a self serving jacka** narcissist.
Rory got shit on constantly. Which is wild cuz ricky was actively ridiculed but he at least got peace with his love being one way.
I'm convinced the writers kinda hated him or rather loved dunking on him... poor guy kept on dying or nearly dying... 😅
@@shadowsoul121 like he was basically a wubby. And probably a whipping boy a bit too
Well pretty much every lead character in sitcoms are horrible people. Like JD from Scrubs. tough the series addresses that a couple of times he really doesn't grow much
Pam Beasley cheated on her fiance Roy, with Jim and it is implied she did again on Jim, or atleast got close to cheating with a documentary cameraman. She is also not nice to anyone else in the office.
Lori did not convince Rick to rescue Merle. Rick and T-Dog decided to go with Daryl back into Atlanta to rescue Merle. Rick convinced Glenn to go with them. Get your facts straight.
Jim and Pam are the least likeable people on The Office, they're both terrible people.
Where's Elena Gilbert?
Jack Shepard? Dafuq
Yeah, I disagree with that one too, especially because they say "he didn't make time for his son" when his son didn't exist, he was a construct of the flash-sideways. If I'd have to choose one character on Lost who was secretly a terrible person, it'd be Charlie Pace, not Jack Shephard.
Xander was such a jerk and my least favorite character. Poor Anya never got what she deserved in the series.
Terrible take on like 4 people on this list… I feel like they didn’t watch any of these shows and putting Jim at #1, really tells me you didn’t watch the show
It's cool to dislike Jim. He doesn't represent a fictional protagonist the average office worker is allowed to believe should exist in this modern day
With the exception of #3, all of these were based on how they treated their SO.
Neelix was also terribly racist towards Tuvok
Jack Bauer's wife and daughter on the first season of 24 were awful. I never wanted two people dead more.
Detective Boyle from Brooklyn 99 should be on this list! He is an absolutely terrifying psychopath!
I LOVE the 99! Your opinion intrigues me. What are some examples that made you feel this way?
I could never stand Jim Halpert! I never understood the likability of him. I was never a Jam fan but even how he treated and spoke to Pam. Especially the episode when he missed Cece's recital, unforgivable!
Similar to Amy Pond in Doctor Who, the spin off series Torchwood had the ghastly Gwen Cooper. Constantly lying to her scripted SIMP boyfriend while bagging off with others, her 'ballsy woman' act going against the male Captain Harkness's advice often caused the team to be in danger, and I stopped watching after 2 series and characters I liked were no more thanks to her selfish stubborn actions causing it.
Yeah, I feel the same. Poor Rhys deserved better.
Considering how badly Roy actually treated Pam and we are shown that continuously throughout the show, Jim is basically the guy that says "you deserve better" and then gives it to her.
So trying to place him as "the bad guy" makes you look like a fool lol you mean pam, who was engaged for years and basically forced to wait to get married, to a guy who didn't want to marry her lol considered her options and found someone who actually wanted her? XD *facepalm*
Pams dream actually did not die and she went on to paint murals and handle other large projects, that not only encouraged but sustained her desire to be an artist.
Being a mom had nothing to do with that and she was never a stay at home mom else she would not work at the office lol
The whole irony of Jim starting his own Company was due to Jim and Pam having a discussion in an earlier episode where Pam clearly says "if you start your own company you'd tell me right?", thus the segway from that lead into Jim starting Athleat, which was a joke / gag due to the previous statement from Pam.
Jim actually purchased the house on his own, to give to Pam as a place to express her art and grow as an artist, as well as a place for them to start a family lol if all you see is selfishness, then you sir have some pretty deluded thoughts about what a relationship / family is all about XD
Seems like you missed the whole point of The Office show and projected your own stuff into the show, that's clearly not there lol
Jim terrorising Dwight??
I loved Buffy summers the first few seasons but by the end I hated her and wanted her to die,she became so self righteous and treated her friends like crap even though they were always there for her and saved her time and time again.really everyone on that show went from good to crappy except spike.
I hated how she treated Giles in S7. She "surpassed" him, an experienced watcher with decades of experience, at age 22? Arrogant beyond belief.
"NOT MAKING TIME FOR HIS SON"
Jack doesn't have a son, David was a construct of the flash-sideways.
Not only that, but Jack does start making time for his son in the flash sideways. The whole point of his character arc throughout the series is to show just how deeply flawed he actually is; yeah, he has issues, kinda the whole point of the show, but he finally shows himself to be working through them by the end. It’s very intentional that the show sets him up as the hero only to break him down and eventually redeem him.
@@tuvantrader Probably the only reason he's on this list is because this channel is just full of huge John Locke fans.
This list came off rather "edgelord-y". While some of these are clearly not as good as their writers or actors would like you to think, maybe you should have called it "Why every popular character is a total piece of s*** if you look close enough"?
Disagree with a few things on this list. But hey! It's Whatculture.🤷🏾
Maybe an unpopular opinion but I have recently (past ten years) thought Kurt from Glee was kind of terrible
Pretty sure ALL characters in Glee are horrible. Mr. Shue especially
@@LilySayyy yeah, there are a few I like and watched for. Actually, I watched through season five because of Blaine and even he had HUGE flaws. I just personally thought his positive traits were better than his negative
Really? Is that all you say for neelix? Yes the kes stuff is bad but he lies constantly about his experiences saying he’s a survival expert and is immediately responsible for someone’s death. He causes a I bio contagion on the ship nearly crippling it. He put the crew in danger in the very first episode lying to them then goes back on a deal that the bad guys followed through on. He forces his bs on everyone but gets really defensive when it’s the other way around. I could go on and on. Also as shitty as xander is he is not even close to as bad as spike or faith
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I always knew Jack Shepard sucked!
***obviously and not secretly
Take Ted Mosby off this list. The only reason he's on here is for not being perfect. Stop