But seriously dude was like in the middle of a battle.If she wanted to get his attention so bad she could have made the invading army GO HOME.Or at the very least gave queen rich bitch a bull better than her husband's in exchange for going away!!! Then she could have gotten her supernatural mac on without interruption. :P
In some versions of this story cú chulainn was offered breakfast that he knew was dog meat but it’s he would have been cursed for eating dog meat or cursed for turning down hospitality both of which were sacred in Irish tradition, so he was caught in a catch 22
There's a lot to unpack here. Top down: The men of Ulster weren't cursed with sickness, they were cursed 'to suffer labor pains in their hour of need' by the goddess of the city, since the king had forced his wife to run a race while heavily pregnant. Cu Chulainn got a pass because of a loophole (Being a teenager, not yet a man), not because he was the son of a god. I'm sad you skipped over the days-long fight he had with his closest friend that he had trained with. It's heartbreaking and intense. The meat that he ate wasn't cursed, it was entirely non-magical dog meat. Cu Chulainn had taken a series of vows in exchange for more power and skill; one of those vows was to never eat dog meat. Over the course of several days he was tricked into breaking each of the other vows in turn as well, so that all he had in the final day was his natural capability. When he died, none of the men around him could believe he was dead, so one of them finally approached him to check, at which point Cu Chulainn's sword swung down from the ready position he'd held it in, chopping off the man's hand.
@@danielmiller1178 Yes, except iirc it wasn't supposed to be kept near the other bull that her husband owned, the two fought and exploded into a shower of black bile.
Great points. I cringe now whenever I see Extra Credits covering Irish history or myth. It's great to see a big channel covering things like this but it looks like they just read and misunderstood half of a Wikipedia article.
also it wasnt in many tellings the morigan that gave him the dog meat, as cu chullain did not die in that battle but later as revenge, the tellings i have seen during the battle after he caused her the injuries cu chullain drank some milk and ate a meal provided by an old lady, with eat part he consumed she recovered at which point then he realised he had insulted the morrigan but said he would do it again as he did not regret any action he had taken. After the battle where he found Queen Madb in a comprimising position but protected her as she escaped Ulster, she gathered the sons of the men Cu Chullain had killed and it was them who used the rules of hospitality to make him eat dog meat and then later kill him. And yeah when he was hit he tied himself to a rock with his own intestines, as OP said he took the arm of Lugaid who tried to take his head and then no one approached until the raven landed on his shoulder marking he was finally dead.
When Morrigan was human, she fell in love with and fell pregnant by a farmer. Because she was a goddess, and many-skilled, he couldn’t keep quiet about how awesome she was at everything. The king of Ulster tested out the farmers claims by making her run a race against his fastest horse. She won, but upon winning, began labour. Lying on the ground, she cursed the men of Ulster that they should be as weak as a woman in labour. Cuchullain escaped because he was a boy and not yet a man. His birth name was Setanta, but when he was small he defended himself against the fearsome hound of Colm the blacksmith, killing it with a ball. He vowed to protect Colm’s home until a pup grew to maturity, hence the title of Colm’s Dog (Cu Cullan). For more information, listen to The Táin by the Horslips
Like cutting your hand off and throwing it so you're the first person to touch Ulster. We've got some wild stories, haven't we? 🤣 My family's from Magherafelt
I know there was probably no time but did you have to leave out the fact that while tied to that stone he still killed anyone who attacked his body and the fact he tied himself to that stone with his own entrails
To add to this, I had always heard the story told that it was more than one army, that while dying he slew another whole army. Warriors were only brave enough to approach when the M Morrigan landed on his shoulder to show that he was dead
Or that the illness was actually so that the men of ulster would feel labour pains in their hour of need for the morrigan being forced to run a race while pregnant Or that Cuchulainn was actually 17 and wasnt counted as a man yet...
Morrigan: *Falls in love with a demi god because they are currently single handedly protecting her land by dueling an entire army* Also Morrigan: *Kills said demi god because they where too busy single handedly protecting her land by dueling an entire army to date her*
The whole "reverse cause and effect" thing they mentioned about the spear was the one thing I didn't like about that fight. It made no sense lol other than that it was INSANE.
Limitations of episode length, I suppose. If you try to put everything in that people want, you end up with an episode several hours long, using the same budget. I hope you enjoy stick figures for graphics and whistling and humming for music.
@@ribbitgoesthedoglastnamehe4681 To be fair, the epic of Cú Chulainn isn't that long, they could easily have done his entire story justice with only three parts. One part to explain his name and origin, a second about how he came to be a fighter, and have this video be the third part. It's only once you focus on the parts of his epic outside of his perspective that things get convoluted.
@@Aderon how about the part where he got a son (Conla) and killed him without knowing about the fact it was his son? And I completely agree with your three part idea.
"I am a Ranger, We Walk In The Dark Places No Others Will Enter, We Stand On The Bridge And No One May Pass, We Live For The One, *WE DIE FOR THE ONE!"*
Not gonna lie, this feels like an oddly incomplete telling of this story. No mention of the payoff of the Morrigan's injuries, omission of the significance of dog meat, no mention of the duel with Ferdiad and several other aspects. Maybe I'm just too familiar with this story, but still, bit dissapointed nonetheless.
Agreed. It took two separate events and tied them together as well. There could have been an entire series on Cú Chulainn, but instead they squashed two related portions of his myth together.
Yeah this was an oversimplified mashup. Kinda like that advert from Guiness that had him as an adult, holding his caman, facing the brown bull of Cooley ...which was a mashup of how he got his name, only that was against a hound, and the Tain. Which makes it wrong, but not the most wrong CuChulainn story I've ever heard. I've got one in a book somewhere that mashes up stories about him, Lugh, some Greek stuff, and I don't remember what else but says it's all him. It's pretty insane. XD
Another version of the story is that she sent messengers and the owner of the bull agreed but the messengers got drunk at a feast with the owner and said that if he had not agreed they would have used military force and the bull owner insulted refused to sell the bull
Interesting interpretation guys, well done! The tale of Cu Chulainn battling his foster-brother an close lifelong friend Ferdia during this saga never fails to break my ole heart. Could of done a video dedicated just to that sad clash.☘
He did not die like that he died killing more men but when he died the Morgan did land on his shoulder but before the queen could take his head he took her hand off
Wait didnt he die Fighting a Sword Throwing Asshole or Did he die After a Priest told him to Kill Himself.........or is it because some ottoman Assasin ate his ate.
Actually it is Lugaid's hand he takes way after the cattle raid happened. Cause that battle ends with Cu Chullain protecting Medb as she retreats after he found her peeing and forced her to surrender.
of course the queen was the bad guy, this was hundreds of years ago, afterall. none of the historians back then would make a queen the hero of their retelling of history. it just wouldn't be profitable, but instead would be scandalous and bring overwhelming criticism his way
Male god falls in love with you: Consent is not really an option. (Look at you, Zeus.) Female god falls in love with you: You are allowed to say no, but you will have horrible vengeance inflincted upon you. Pick your poison.
Usually I love how accurate these video are and the effort that goes into them but this episode got so much wrong, mispronounced the name of Cuchulain and even left out how in death he tied himself upright and proceeded to continue to slay the men of Connaught until finally he bled to death. Though he did die laughing at his cruel twist of fate at the hands of the Morrigan. I understand there are different versions of this story but this is something that almost every Irish person learns in primary school. Also the king's bull was white, which is important as it slays/ is slain by the brown bull of Cooley.
So the cunning of the Morrigan is a little overlooked in here. The meat that was given to Cú Chulainn was not poisoned, it was dog meat. You see Irish deities often have a Geas, a Gaes is a kind of double edged sword, living by it gives you strength but breaking it can kill you. Cú Chulainn had two that the Morrigan abused here. He could not eat dog meat and he could not reject food offered by a woman. No matter what he did he was done for. As a side note pronunciation is normally closer to "coo" (the bird noise) and "cullin" like culling without the g. Though it does sound like you had trouble with this from the couple of audio snippets that I believe were the same. Fun episode all round, been wondering when you would get into Celtic mythos.
Isn’t it in some versions the army of ulster was forced by a goddess to suffer laybor pains in the hour need as revenge against the king who made her run a foot race against horses while pregnant with twins
@@oliversynowiec3350 Not in FGO he's hard to be killed easily unless your facing Ibaraki Doji or Abigail (both can remove his battle continuation guts)
Huh, this is the first time I’ve see the Cattle Raid of Cooley crossed with his death. Usually that is told as one of his first triumphs not his downfall.
Even in the versions where he died in the Cattle Raid that wasn't the way he kicked the bucket. In those versions he died fighting his battle brother ( and possible lover) Ferdiad(?).
The emphasis in CuChulainn is on the “Chu” part, because it means “The Hound of Chulainn”, another of the men of Ulster whose guard dog CuChulainn had killed.
Yo y'all neglected to mention how the army was so spooked by cuchulainn after all the fighting he did that, even after he died standing up, they still waited to make sure. And when someone finally got the balls enough to try and attack his corpse, cuchulainn's arm gave way with sword still in hand, and killed the guy. That's right this fucking dog is such a champ he kills people even when he's dead.
Were these the same Ulstermen that were said to be cursed with labor pains? Edit: that is, their "illness" was that the men periodically experienced labor pains as their curse.
The Ulstermen sickness didnt come from disrespectingthe Morrigan, it came from the King od Ulster forcing his wife, the goddess Macha in human guise, to outrun all the horses in a race because he was being goaded by his noblemen since he often boasted she could outrun any horse (which she normally could, goddess of horses and whatnot) but she was heavily pregnant this time, she was understandably miffed, ran anyway, won, gave birth on the track to twins or something, died, and placed a curse on Ulstermen. Which required Cuchalain's later intervention in the war with Connaught to save the province because he wasnt born in Ulster and thus spared the curse. Also he was the son of Lugh thrice conceived or something and a totally chad for disregarding thots that try to control him.
So you've kind of left out the most badass parts of Cuchulainn's death. He didn't just tie himself to a rock with some rope but rather with his own fucking entrails. Also none of the enemy soldiers dared to approach him because they didn't think he was dead until they saw the Raven land on his shoulders. (Also I think he fell over his spear killing the dude who was checking up on him so not even dying could stop this guy^^)
You forgot the best part where Cu chulainn held his sword up as he died so when the opposing forces went to collect his head his sword swung down and killed the first man to try and they all backed off after that
That one fucking expression on Cuchulainn's face made me laugh for too long and I tried very poorly to copy and paste it on the Fate/Grand Order Cuchulainn
Good telling... I heard it a bit different having lived in Ireland my whole life... Would love to tell you it the way I have heard it.... But that is a story for another time
Don't think we forgot about your promise to do a video on the Morrigan's prophecy about the end of the world (at the end of the Celtic mythology saga about the children of the Danu) Please, please do that one
The "illness" the Ulster were suffering from is actually a lot more interesting and funny than is described here. They were suffering from labor pains. Not only that, it was something that happened yearly to all Ulter men after they repeatedly disrespected a completely different godess called Macha years prior. It also only lasted 5 days each year, not 9 like what was said. So... basically nothing like what was described here.
The way I heard it is that he tied himself up standing against that rock with his entrails to make Medb's army think he was still alive only for the Morrigan to render it moot by landing on his shoulder as a crow and pecking at his corpse signalling his death. Then, when the first of Medb's soldiers went to claim his head, his sword arm that had held up in his death, fell and chopped the soldier's head off. Now do Queen Medb next. Tell about how she used she used bed as a tool for power yet was viscous toward any man who disrespected her and how she was ultimately killed by a piece of cheese.
When I was young, this was told as two separate stories, the bull of cooley, in which Cuchulainn would fight days and days in single combat against an old friend (and perhaps lover) and the death of cuchulainn at the hands of the morrigan.
Specifically, the meat he was offered was that of a dog, it was a violation of his geass, which stated he could not eat the flesh of dogs, or refuse food offered to him by a woman. Either way, he was screwed. From what I know of Irish mythology, one does not simply break their geass and live.
@@whitelily6658 -- In the same way "loch" is pronounced "lock" or "logh" depending on the person, "Cuchulainn" can be "coo-chull-in" or "cu-hull-in" depending on the person.
Different areas say things differently, it's literally impossible to pronounce the name of a Celtic myth correctly because there are at least 3 different names for the same person just a bit different
If I am not mistaken, Cuchulainn" originated from "Culainn"s hound". In his youth the hero used to work as smithy's guard and strangled the owner's (Culainn's) dog after which he proposed to replace it.
It wasn't that he worked as a guard--essentially the King who was his guardian was invited to a feast and Cú came late, encountering the guard dog of the host, Culain the smith, and killed the dog. *Then* he offered to replace the hound until a new dog was raised.
oh but in the original it was so much better though... Curse: 9 days of *labor pains*. The king of Ulster forced a goddess to run a race against horses. While she was pregnant. She did not like this.
The story was changed a bit, Maeb didn't ask to buy the bull, she sent a messanger asking to borrow it, the Ulster men accepted, but the messenger she sent got drunk and stated that if they had refused Connaught would have taken the bull by force, the Ulster men perceived this as an insult and refused to send the bull. Hence the war.
That's the thing with any form of storytelling. If the characters did logical, reasonable things then the story would be over quickly and wouldn't be very entertaining.
Far as I know Cu chulainn didnt die at the tain bo cuailnge, the whole thing is half right, bases from the stories I've heard his dad one of the tuatha de danan comes from the other world and puts him into a healing slumber. The other boys from the crann Rua took over from where cu chulainn left off, cu chulainn woke to find they all died. The curse only applied to men old enough to have hair on their chins because macha was furious that grown men couldn't stand up for a pregnant woman. The point was so they would loose their strength when they needed it most. Still bleak but that's Irish folklore for ya
You missed out alot of details in this video, like how he got his name, how he became so strong, his weapon, his weird ability to turn into a monster, the king forcing his wife to run a race against a horse while pregnant and all the men getting cursed with labour pains in there hour of need forcing the children to fight. His battle with his best friend who he trained with, Him cutting a mans hand off even in death.
A proud day to be an Ulsterman. Also Cú Chúlainn is literally a roughly translated Irish Gaelic for "blond" man so I'm not sure why he's got his reddish hair in your drawings. Love from an Ulsterman living in Canada
There's a lot wrong in this retelling, unfortunately. It's worth mentioning that the Mórrígan 'seducing' Cú Chullain was likely a revision thrown in when the person recording the story wasn't familiar with the Táin Bó Regamna, one of the pre-tales to the Táin Bó Cúailnge, and so inserted this to explain why she came after him in the forms she did. Also, It was Macha as a fairy-woman who cursed the Ulstermen with labor pains. She is generally considered one of the Mórrígna, but is also a separate goddess. He got out of it cause he was only 17 and not considered a man yet. The meat wasn't cursed, it was dog meat, he had oaths to not eat his namesake (dog) or refuse hospitality. The Mórrígan isn't associated with Morgan le Fay except in modern accounts. There are a lot better retellings out there, or you can read it yourself and get all the pieces that are missing.
@@prestonjones1653 - it's the source of many of our debates in Irish language groups. Too many regional dialects across Ireland. There's generally four dialects across Ireland... Then you've got the plastic Paddies in the States who think they speak Irish and try to tell you that "póg mo thoin" means "I love you" because they heard it from someone else who thought it's a funny prank. It isn't. I mean, it is, but it isn't.
I know there are different verses of stories but what about the warp spasems, Cooalane kill is war brother, the spear that busted into forns, and the reason the army was having kidney problems was because the king had his wife(who was a godes) race horses while pregnant.
As an irish man myself from what what I can remeber of the story the old women offered Cu Chulian dog meat and as part of some promises he made for his powers he couldnt refuse hospitality and he couldnt eat dog meat. So in the last part of his battle he had lost a lot of his powers. But he still continued to fight even when he strapped himself to the rock dying where he mannaged to killed a few more soilders and the rest stayed back until the crow landed on him and the knew Morrigan had killed him.
I know it's implied in the animation, but I just want to bring home the bit about how Cú Chulainn pulled his own entrails out through his wound and used used *them* to tie himself upright.
There's also the point during this battle where he threw a spear through a combatant, but the combatant survived and was still able to walk around with the spear sticking clean through him. They agreed Cuchulainn had won the fight but he asked to go back to camp to show the other soldiers what had happened, because come on, that's just awesome. Cuchulainn agreed, yes, that was awesome, go show your friends, just come back tomorrow to die. The dude came back the next day trying to pull off a turn-around but of course Cuchulainn killed him properly this time.
Dear god the pronunciations. You're butchering my language. But in all seriousness it'd be pretty cool if you did the wooing of Grainne. It's one of the best story's in our culture
The reason Cu Chulainn wasn't affected was that he was 17, and the men of Ulster were affected because the queen had cursed them that any person in the army above the age of 18 was affected.
And they missed the opportunity right at the beginning of the battle of the ford, where the men of Connatch dismiss him for being a boy who still couldn't shave, so the Hound of Ulster plucked some dry grass and held it over his chin, mocking them.
You'd think so but David Gaider has said specifically otherwise. According to him she's named after a character someone was running in a tabletop game he was in.
The issue with the meat was Cu Chulainn was that it was dog meat. He had a two fold geas that he could not refuse hospitality, and that he could not eat dog meat.
While I may not know Cú Chullain's tale very well I know enough that A. You're pronouncing his name wrong and don't give the name's origin which is fairly important and B. That you missed out on fairly important details and you probably could've started with Setanta's (I'm using the og name on purpose) other accomplishments to give non Irish people more context for him.
Morrigan: Bae, come over.
Cuchulain: Sorry i'm busy soloing an entire army to protect my home.
Morrigan: So, you have chosen death.
It wouldn't be the first time. LANCER GA SHINDA!
Quite literally lol
But seriously dude was like in the middle of a battle.If she wanted to get his attention so bad she could have made the invading army GO HOME.Or at the very least gave queen rich bitch a bull better than her husband's in exchange for going away!!! Then she could have gotten her supernatural mac on without interruption. :P
@@stevengreen9536 She's a war goddess, you don't ignore her in her own house.
@@scribejay What house!? They were outside. :P
"You don't just swipe left on a beautiful terrifying goddess of war and death."
Gilgamesh: *you do* .
Enkidu:(throw bull ass at Ishtar)yeah you right
Ishtar is a goddess of fertillity and good harvest though?
@@gamechanger8908 Yes, among other things. Those "other things" include war and strife in general.
@@stretopovermind9680 Ereshkigal: she took my job!!
Well, Gilgamesh ended up losing his boyfriend beacuse of it
In some versions of this story cú chulainn was offered breakfast that he knew was dog meat but it’s he would have been cursed for eating dog meat or cursed for turning down hospitality both of which were sacred in Irish tradition, so he was caught in a catch 22
What if you took the dog meat and left saying you'll eat it later then threw it away?
I don't know why they dropped his two geis of not eating dog meat and not refusing hospitality and instead made it generic cursed meat
Yeah, this is the version I know...
@@charlietizzardokevlahan3130 shorten for time, I guess? they may not have wanted to tell a whole chunk of the ulster cycle in 8 minutes
Thats sum 4 dimensional chess shit
There's a lot to unpack here. Top down:
The men of Ulster weren't cursed with sickness, they were cursed 'to suffer labor pains in their hour of need' by the goddess of the city, since the king had forced his wife to run a race while heavily pregnant. Cu Chulainn got a pass because of a loophole (Being a teenager, not yet a man), not because he was the son of a god.
I'm sad you skipped over the days-long fight he had with his closest friend that he had trained with. It's heartbreaking and intense.
The meat that he ate wasn't cursed, it was entirely non-magical dog meat. Cu Chulainn had taken a series of vows in exchange for more power and skill; one of those vows was to never eat dog meat. Over the course of several days he was tricked into breaking each of the other vows in turn as well, so that all he had in the final day was his natural capability.
When he died, none of the men around him could believe he was dead, so one of them finally approached him to check, at which point Cu Chulainn's sword swung down from the ready position he'd held it in, chopping off the man's hand.
Did the Queen ever get that prize bull?
Cu is the most metal person that has ever lived
@@danielmiller1178 Yes, except iirc it wasn't supposed to be kept near the other bull that her husband owned, the two fought and exploded into a shower of black bile.
Great points. I cringe now whenever I see Extra Credits covering Irish history or myth. It's great to see a big channel covering things like this but it looks like they just read and misunderstood half of a Wikipedia article.
also it wasnt in many tellings the morigan that gave him the dog meat, as cu chullain did not die in that battle but later as revenge, the tellings i have seen during the battle after he caused her the injuries cu chullain drank some milk and ate a meal provided by an old lady, with eat part he consumed she recovered at which point then he realised he had insulted the morrigan but said he would do it again as he did not regret any action he had taken.
After the battle where he found Queen Madb in a comprimising position but protected her as she escaped Ulster, she gathered the sons of the men Cu Chullain had killed and it was them who used the rules of hospitality to make him eat dog meat and then later kill him. And yeah when he was hit he tied himself to a rock with his own intestines, as OP said he took the arm of Lugaid who tried to take his head and then no one approached until the raven landed on his shoulder marking he was finally dead.
When Morrigan was human, she fell in love with and fell pregnant by a farmer. Because she was a goddess, and many-skilled, he couldn’t keep quiet about how awesome she was at everything. The king of Ulster tested out the farmers claims by making her run a race against his fastest horse.
She won, but upon winning, began labour. Lying on the ground, she cursed the men of Ulster that they should be as weak as a woman in labour.
Cuchullain escaped because he was a boy and not yet a man. His birth name was Setanta, but when he was small he defended himself against the fearsome hound of Colm the blacksmith, killing it with a ball. He vowed to protect Colm’s home until a pup grew to maturity, hence the title of Colm’s Dog (Cu Cullan).
For more information, listen to The Táin by the Horslips
Wasnt that Macha though?? :0
@@kimmmmm871 Macha is an aspect of The Morrigan.
GiHyun Kim You’re quite right
Thank you
@@kimmmmm871 yup
"Realizing his folly, he died with a bitter laugh on his lips." That's the most Ulster thing I've ever heard, and my dad's from Fermanagh.
Like cutting your hand off and throwing it so you're the first person to touch Ulster. We've got some wild stories, haven't we? 🤣 My family's from Magherafelt
@@AndrewGeierMelons *Leinster screaming*
@@whitelily6658 🤣🤣🤣
Yo fermanagh bois
"He's pretty much irish hercules, Rin!"
throws Irish hercules to actual Hercules. LANCER GA SHINDA!
"BUT, is he Satan?"
"Lancer is dead!"
He actually has much more in common with Achilles than Heracles
@@thevine2010 KONO HITO DE NASHI!!
I know there was probably no time but did you have to leave out the fact that while tied to that stone he still killed anyone who attacked his body and the fact he tied himself to that stone with his own entrails
"METAL!"
Yeah, at least that last bit was sort of implied visually.
What!!!
To add to this, I had always heard the story told that it was more than one army, that while dying he slew another whole army. Warriors were only brave enough to approach when the M
Morrigan landed on his shoulder to show that he was dead
Or that the illness was actually so that the men of ulster would feel labour pains in their hour of need for the morrigan being forced to run a race while pregnant
Or that Cuchulainn was actually 17 and wasnt counted as a man yet...
Morrigan: *Falls in love with a demi god because they are currently single handedly protecting her land by dueling an entire army*
Also Morrigan: *Kills said demi god because they where too busy single handedly protecting her land by dueling an entire army to date her*
Priorities.
That sums up what I took away from this story. That and gods really suck.
Women..
@s. Hennessy uhhh deities we would've done all the same thing stop playing
@@issybelsertado5989 nah B. You don't interrupt somebody mid-match. Godly vag or not
Wait this isn't Overly Sarcastic productions
Walter ist Magni must have taken a wrong turn somewhere
Time to warp spasm like i've never warp spasmed before
I know right? I’ve been waiting for them to talk about her for ages.
@@macmongeon1614 probably at alberquerque
@@christianfarren1179 One day.. we will get the mythology collage we've always dreamt of.
7:01
"I see you dodged my undodgeable strike"
The whole "reverse cause and effect" thing they mentioned about the spear was the one thing I didn't like about that fight. It made no sense lol other than that it was INSANE.
7:39 RANSA GA SHINDA!
@@TheOtherNeutrino Kono hito de nashi!
Morrigan looks like if my goth phase was a person
Weren't *you* your goth phase as a person?
@@lnsflare1 you right
@@lnsflare1 lmao
So your goth phase was a god ?
That's basically the premise behind The Wicked + the Divine
Highly recommended
Good rule of thumb: never anger a war goddess. Or goddesses in general.
Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned, especially if the woman just so happens to be the queen of death
@@pretzelbomb6105 tell that to paris befo- aaaannd he gave the golden apple to aphrodite.
Tell that to Kratos.
Don’t anger anything supernatural.
The morrigan is essentially jus a psycho nice-girl with magic powers
Imagine trying to kill somebody just because you got rejected
I’d laugh at it but considering the human race, that wouldn’t be suprising.
The gods are a sketchy lot.
This basically happens in every story, same as selling your children for wealth
Deities in general tend to be REALLY bad at handling rejection.
This is why Christianity became more popular than paganism.
You really talked about Cú Chulainn without even a single mention of his Ríastrad? Not even a mention about why he's the dog of Chulainn?
Limitations of episode length, I suppose. If you try to put everything in that people want, you end up with an episode several hours long, using the same budget. I hope you enjoy stick figures for graphics and whistling and humming for music.
@@ribbitgoesthedoglastnamehe4681 To be fair, the epic of Cú Chulainn isn't that long, they could easily have done his entire story justice with only three parts. One part to explain his name and origin, a second about how he came to be a fighter, and have this video be the third part. It's only once you focus on the parts of his epic outside of his perspective that things get convoluted.
@@Aderon how about the part where he got a son (Conla) and killed him without knowing about the fact it was his son? And I completely agree with your three part idea.
@@ribbitgoesthedoglastnamehe4681 To be fair, OSP covered a lot more of Cú Chulainn in a shorter period of time
this channel also said Ostara was totally areal Goddess. so.
Cuchulainn: "You... Shall... Not... Pass!"
"I am a Ranger, We Walk In The Dark Places No Others Will Enter, We Stand On The Bridge And No One May Pass, We Live For The One, *WE DIE FOR THE ONE!"*
Not gonna lie, this feels like an oddly incomplete telling of this story. No mention of the payoff of the Morrigan's injuries, omission of the significance of dog meat, no mention of the duel with Ferdiad and several other aspects.
Maybe I'm just too familiar with this story, but still, bit dissapointed nonetheless.
Agreed. It took two separate events and tied them together as well. There could have been an entire series on Cú Chulainn, but instead they squashed two related portions of his myth together.
Yeah this was an oversimplified mashup. Kinda like that advert from Guiness that had him as an adult, holding his caman, facing the brown bull of Cooley ...which was a mashup of how he got his name, only that was against a hound, and the Tain. Which makes it wrong, but not the most wrong CuChulainn story I've ever heard. I've got one in a book somewhere that mashes up stories about him, Lugh, some Greek stuff, and I don't remember what else but says it's all him. It's pretty insane. XD
The full story would have to be a five episode series. I wouldn't complain about that though.
If you want a more detailed telling go see Overly Sarcastic Productions
Any man link us it be a i only vaguely remember this from primary school
Scrolling down for them Fate/Stay Night references.
Adrian Ng You want a Fate reference? Lancer ga shinda!
Gae Bolg!
Lancer died again
His Battle Continuation failed him...
LANCER GA SHINDA
Another version of the story is that she sent messengers and the owner of the bull agreed but the messengers got drunk at a feast with the owner and said that if he had not agreed they would have used military force and the bull owner insulted refused to sell the bull
I think the "cursed meat" was dog meat, which Cuchulainn was under geass (magical contract) on to consume.
Interesting interpretation guys, well done! The tale of Cu Chulainn battling his foster-brother an close lifelong friend Ferdia during this saga never fails to break my ole heart. Could of done a video dedicated just to that sad clash.☘
He did not die like that he died killing more men but when he died the Morgan did land on his shoulder but before the queen could take his head he took her hand off
Wait didnt he die Fighting a Sword Throwing Asshole or Did he die After a Priest told him to Kill Himself.........or is it because some ottoman Assasin ate his ate.
@@lettuceman9439 Ottoman assassin ate his what!?
Actually it is Lugaid's hand he takes way after the cattle raid happened. Cause that battle ends with Cu Chullain protecting Medb as she retreats after he found her peeing and forced her to surrender.
of course the queen was the bad guy, this was hundreds of years ago, afterall. none of the historians back then would make a queen the hero of their retelling of history. it just wouldn't be profitable, but instead would be scandalous and bring overwhelming criticism his way
Someone got their hands chopped off
Not morigan
Male god falls in love with you: Consent is not really an option. (Look at you, Zeus.)
Female god falls in love with you: You are allowed to say no, but you will have horrible vengeance inflincted upon you.
Pick your poison.
Wise and Cunning Odysseus survived 2 goddesses for the sake of being fateful
Usually I love how accurate these video are and the effort that goes into them but this episode got so much wrong, mispronounced the name of Cuchulain and even left out how in death he tied himself upright and proceeded to continue to slay the men of Connaught until finally he bled to death. Though he did die laughing at his cruel twist of fate at the hands of the Morrigan. I understand there are different versions of this story but this is something that almost every Irish person learns in primary school. Also the king's bull was white, which is important as it slays/ is slain by the brown bull of Cooley.
So the cunning of the Morrigan is a little overlooked in here. The meat that was given to Cú Chulainn was not poisoned, it was dog meat. You see Irish deities often have a Geas, a Gaes is a kind of double edged sword, living by it gives you strength but breaking it can kill you. Cú Chulainn had two that the Morrigan abused here. He could not eat dog meat and he could not reject food offered by a woman. No matter what he did he was done for.
As a side note pronunciation is normally closer to "coo" (the bird noise) and "cullin" like culling without the g. Though it does sound like you had trouble with this from the couple of audio snippets that I believe were the same.
Fun episode all round, been wondering when you would get into Celtic mythos.
It has been a year or since I've last looked at this channel. The art and presentation has developed considerably!
Isn’t it in some versions the army of ulster was forced by a goddess to suffer laybor pains in the hour need as revenge against the king who made her run a foot race against horses while pregnant with twins
Correct, ish, yes. I think EC took some creativity liberties with the story because that fell outside the realm of relevance to Cú Chúlainn himself
The same Queen Medb? Acourse have to deal with her army and some of us who played FGO know her.
Yes, but also no. Because FGO is usually about as far from canon to the myths as you get. Don't take it to heart, is what I'm saying.
*laughs in already knowing who the person is bc Fate*
Lancer ga shinda!
Like always he die while mortaly wounding himself
@@oliversynowiec3350 Not in FGO he's hard to be killed easily unless your facing Ibaraki Doji or Abigail (both can remove his battle continuation guts)
Just to let you know, Cuchulainn is pronounced Coo-Cull-In. * flies away in irish *
Benny, the Irish Polyglot, is that you?
Cú Chúlainn is close enough to his pronunciation. He is American, after all, and they're not known for their international pronunciations
@@AndrewGeierMelons I think I heard Matt's actually Polish.
I've also heard it pronounced Coo-Hull-in!
Maith an fear.
Huh, this is the first time I’ve see the Cattle Raid of Cooley crossed with his death. Usually that is told as one of his first triumphs not his downfall.
Even in the versions where he died in the Cattle Raid that wasn't the way he kicked the bucket. In those versions he died fighting his battle brother ( and possible lover) Ferdiad(?).
The emphasis in CuChulainn is on the “Chu” part, because it means “The Hound of Chulainn”, another of the men of Ulster whose guard dog CuChulainn had killed.
*Insert Fate references here*:
Lancer is dead
Oh no what have you done! You have brought them here!
I've been waiting for a Cuchulainn episode. Thanks guys.
He’s basically Irish Hercules.
Hahaha fuckin spot on I was thinking that the whole video
With a side order of Achilles.
But You're Actually Satan
@@Raiga0310 who Is?
Mike Oxsmal he’s quoting a parody show, it was a response to the person who said what I was quoting above.
I come from a very Irish family and lived in Ireland for a year I live these story's keep up the great work
You took two parts of the Ulster Cycle and smashed them together.
If only that guy hadn't been so attached to his cow, this could all have been avoided.
If something like this happended in reality the ruler of Ulster would probably have just made him sell the bloody cow.
Is a man not entitled to the milk of his cow?
"Leonidas was such a wimp for needing 299 backups!"
I"m so glad you finally did a video on this!
Heck yeah, Gaelic mythos are awesome!
Yo y'all neglected to mention how the army was so spooked by cuchulainn after all the fighting he did that, even after he died standing up, they still waited to make sure. And when someone finally got the balls enough to try and attack his corpse, cuchulainn's arm gave way with sword still in hand, and killed the guy. That's right this fucking dog is such a champ he kills people even when he's dead.
Were these the same Ulstermen that were said to be cursed with labor pains?
Edit: that is, their "illness" was that the men periodically experienced labor pains as their curse.
The Morrigan: Bro, help me with the enemy team.
Cu: Sorry, farming minions rn.
The Morrigan: Reported
I don't want them to take my tier 1 :(
Don't forget the version of the story where he used a spear that he threw with his foot.
There's also the ones where the Gae Bolg turns targets into human pincushions too. I think it was supposedly fashioned from whalebone or something.
The Ulstermen sickness didnt come from disrespectingthe Morrigan, it came from the King od Ulster forcing his wife, the goddess Macha in human guise, to outrun all the horses in a race because he was being goaded by his noblemen since he often boasted she could outrun any horse (which she normally could, goddess of horses and whatnot) but she was heavily pregnant this time, she was understandably miffed, ran anyway, won, gave birth on the track to twins or something, died, and placed a curse on Ulstermen. Which required Cuchalain's later intervention in the war with Connaught to save the province because he wasnt born in Ulster and thus spared the curse. Also he was the son of Lugh thrice conceived or something and a totally chad for disregarding thots that try to control him.
'A Witch of the Wilds, such idle fancies'
Finally a dragon age reference
So you've kind of left out the most badass parts of Cuchulainn's death. He didn't just tie himself to a rock with some rope but rather with his own fucking entrails. Also none of the enemy soldiers dared to approach him because they didn't think he was dead until they saw the Raven land on his shoulders. (Also I think he fell over his spear killing the dude who was checking up on him so not even dying could stop this guy^^)
You forgot the best part where Cu chulainn held his sword up as he died so when the opposing forces went to collect his head his sword swung down and killed the first man to try and they all backed off after that
As I've heard it they tried two more times and those two guys somehow got killed.
That one fucking expression on Cuchulainn's face made me laugh for too long and I tried very poorly to copy and paste it on the Fate/Grand Order Cuchulainn
Good telling... I heard it a bit different having lived in Ireland my whole life... Would love to tell you it the way I have heard it....
But that is a story for another time
The dude who impaled him must have gotten his own legend afterwards
I clicked on this video entirely to see how they'd butcher the names
source: i passed that standing stone on the way to school for like 15 years
Don't think we forgot about your promise to do a video on the Morrigan's prophecy about the end of the world (at the end of the Celtic mythology saga about the children of the Danu)
Please, please do that one
The "illness" the Ulster were suffering from is actually a lot more interesting and funny than is described here. They were suffering from labor pains. Not only that, it was something that happened yearly to all Ulter men after they repeatedly disrespected a completely different godess called Macha years prior. It also only lasted 5 days each year, not 9 like what was said.
So... basically nothing like what was described here.
Macha, Babd and Nemain are the three Morrigna(?) . The Morrigan was a triple goddess.
The way I heard it is that he tied himself up standing against that rock with his entrails to make Medb's army think he was still alive only for the Morrigan to render it moot by landing on his shoulder as a crow and pecking at his corpse signalling his death. Then, when the first of Medb's soldiers went to claim his head, his sword arm that had held up in his death, fell and chopped the soldier's head off.
Now do Queen Medb next. Tell about how she used she used bed as a tool for power yet was viscous toward any man who disrespected her and how she was ultimately killed by a piece of cheese.
When I was young, this was told as two separate stories, the bull of cooley, in which Cuchulainn would fight days and days in single combat against an old friend (and perhaps lover) and the death of cuchulainn at the hands of the morrigan.
Specifically, the meat he was offered was that of a dog, it was a violation of his geass, which stated he could not eat the flesh of dogs, or refuse food offered to him by a woman. Either way, he was screwed. From what I know of Irish mythology, one does not simply break their geass and live.
It's pronounced Coo-CHULL-inn, stress on the second syllable.
Is it not "Ku-HUE-lin"?
@@TlalocTemporal I????? No??? How????
@@whitelily6658 -- In the same way "loch" is pronounced "lock" or "logh" depending on the person, "Cuchulainn" can be "coo-chull-in" or "cu-hull-in" depending on the person.
@@TlalocTemporal but how Ku-Hue-in????????? I’ve been everywhere across the country and have not heard that???
This channel does such a great job at consolidating the often confusing Celtic tradition into great narratives like this one. Keep it up!
My God he has a kill streak OVER 9000
Map ended after he tried to get his care package 3 times.
4:17 these faces are great thanks extra credits
“Coo-ca-lin”. Yikes on bikes.
Different areas say things differently, it's literally impossible to pronounce the name of a Celtic myth correctly because there are at least 3 different names for the same person just a bit different
The correct pronunciation is the Ulster dialect: "Keh-Hoo-linn"
@@Tailikku1 I've heard "keh-Cullen" from Irish people before.
Coo cull inn
Coo-khull-an
If I am not mistaken, Cuchulainn" originated from "Culainn"s hound". In his youth the hero used to work as smithy's guard and strangled the owner's (Culainn's) dog after which he proposed to replace it.
It wasn't that he worked as a guard--essentially the King who was his guardian was invited to a feast and Cú came late, encountering the guard dog of the host, Culain the smith, and killed the dog. *Then* he offered to replace the hound until a new dog was raised.
2:21 Toxicity debuff : 9-Day Illness.
oh but in the original it was so much better though... Curse: 9 days of *labor pains*. The king of Ulster forced a goddess to run a race against horses. While she was pregnant. She did not like this.
The story was changed a bit, Maeb didn't ask to buy the bull, she sent a messanger asking to borrow it, the Ulster men accepted, but the messenger she sent got drunk and stated that if they had refused Connaught would have taken the bull by force, the Ulster men perceived this as an insult and refused to send the bull. Hence the war.
I really love how supposed gods always come up with incredibly convoluted plans that often don't work
That's the thing with any form of storytelling. If the characters did logical, reasonable things then the story would be over quickly and wouldn't be very entertaining.
Omg omg omg ty ty ty i have been wanting this one for sooooooo long now!
Far as I know Cu chulainn didnt die at the tain bo cuailnge, the whole thing is half right, bases from the stories I've heard his dad one of the tuatha de danan comes from the other world and puts him into a healing slumber. The other boys from the crann Rua took over from where cu chulainn left off, cu chulainn woke to find they all died. The curse only applied to men old enough to have hair on their chins because macha was furious that grown men couldn't stand up for a pregnant woman. The point was so they would loose their strength when they needed it most.
Still bleak but that's Irish folklore for ya
Ravens and crows get treats anyway because I don't wanna piss off the bird mafia
I'm pretty sure it's pronounced Coo Culan, with a space between the words, since Cu Chullain means Chullain's Guard
Well, Hound (of) Cullain, but yeh
*Dog
@@jimmynyarlathotep6857 no its hound. Cú is hound. Madra is Dog
@@mikeoxsmal8022 Yeh cú and hound are both cognate from PIE *ḱwṓ, but I don't think anyone would be aggrieved if it got translated as dog
You missed out alot of details in this video, like how he got his name, how he became so strong, his weapon, his weird ability to turn into a monster, the king forcing his wife to run a race against a horse while pregnant and all the men getting cursed with labour pains in there hour of need forcing the children to fight. His battle with his best friend who he trained with, Him cutting a mans hand off even in death.
"He's basically Irish Hercules."
@ทักษะ รอดภัย no
@ทักษะ รอดภัย Please, it's THE Satan, THE is the important part here.
@@Blazo_Djurovic wasn't it ACTUALLY satan?
I may be wrong, but iirc the meat wasnt specifically cursed, it was dog meat which he was mystically forbidden to eat
I read different versions of this, including the ending, but nevertheless you out done yourselves.
After hearing this story, I might want to see Cartoon Saloon try its hand at adapting it.
AAAAAAAAHHH I LOVE THIS LEGEND!
I have been waiting for a new one :)
While i'm watching fate/stay night 😂
A proud day to be an Ulsterman.
Also Cú Chúlainn is literally a roughly translated Irish Gaelic for "blond" man so I'm not sure why he's got his reddish hair in your drawings.
Love from an Ulsterman living in Canada
You're thinking of Fionn, which means light-haired. Cú Chúlainn is Hound of Culain.
Any president: I've done alot for my country
Cookulin: hold my sword
There's a lot wrong in this retelling, unfortunately. It's worth mentioning that the Mórrígan 'seducing' Cú Chullain was likely a revision thrown in when the person recording the story wasn't familiar with the Táin Bó Regamna, one of the pre-tales to the Táin Bó Cúailnge, and so inserted this to explain why she came after him in the forms she did. Also, It was Macha as a fairy-woman who cursed the Ulstermen with labor pains. She is generally considered one of the Mórrígna, but is also a separate goddess. He got out of it cause he was only 17 and not considered a man yet. The meat wasn't cursed, it was dog meat, he had oaths to not eat his namesake (dog) or refuse hospitality. The Mórrígan isn't associated with Morgan le Fay except in modern accounts.
There are a lot better retellings out there, or you can read it yourself and get all the pieces that are missing.
Oh god the pronunciation of the names, and I thought his Glasgow was bad...
Tbf, even the Irish can barely understand Gealge spelling and pronunciation rules.
@@prestonjones1653 - it's the source of many of our debates in Irish language groups. Too many regional dialects across Ireland. There's generally four dialects across Ireland...
Then you've got the plastic Paddies in the States who think they speak Irish and try to tell you that "póg mo thoin" means "I love you" because they heard it from someone else who thought it's a funny prank. It isn't. I mean, it is, but it isn't.
I know there are different verses of stories but what about the warp spasems, Cooalane kill is war brother, the spear that busted into forns, and the reason the army was having kidney problems was because the king had his wife(who was a godes) race horses while pregnant.
Morrigan was not in the Witcher to my knowledge, she was in Dragon Age though.
As an irish man myself from what what I can remeber of the story the old women offered Cu Chulian dog meat and as part of some promises he made for his powers he couldnt refuse hospitality and he couldnt eat dog meat. So in the last part of his battle he had lost a lot of his powers. But he still continued to fight even when he strapped himself to the rock dying where he mannaged to killed a few more soilders and the rest stayed back until the crow landed on him and the knew Morrigan had killed him.
Also Queen Maeve was a terrifying figure who married many kings and then murdered them when she got bored of them.
*Insert Fate Lancer Memes*
I know it's implied in the animation, but I just want to bring home the bit about how Cú Chulainn pulled his own entrails out through his wound and used used *them* to tie himself upright.
I can predict that the FGO players will come here.
There's also the point during this battle where he threw a spear through a combatant, but the combatant survived and was still able to walk around with the spear sticking clean through him. They agreed Cuchulainn had won the fight but he asked to go back to camp to show the other soldiers what had happened, because come on, that's just awesome. Cuchulainn agreed, yes, that was awesome, go show your friends, just come back tomorrow to die. The dude came back the next day trying to pull off a turn-around but of course Cuchulainn killed him properly this time.
Dear god the pronunciations. You're butchering my language. But in all seriousness it'd be pretty cool if you did the wooing of Grainne. It's one of the best story's in our culture
Oh, man, that'll just give me national school flashbacks lol I'm aghast we haven't seen our man Fionn MacCool yet!
Oh Morrigan, the dark mistress of soverainty. One of my favourite Goddesses
what version of the story did you source this episode from if I may ask?
I love just how many different telling and versions of Irish mythology.
Wasn't the meat just dog which violated the geas he had that gave him his strength?
The reason Cu Chulainn wasn't affected was that he was 17, and the men of Ulster were affected because the queen had cursed them that any person in the army above the age of 18 was affected.
And they missed the opportunity right at the beginning of the battle of the ford, where the men of Connatch dismiss him for being a boy who still couldn't shave, so the Hound of Ulster plucked some dry grass and held it over his chin, mocking them.
I read Morrigan and thought on my waifu from Dragon Age: Origins haha turns out she was probably inspired by this myth, being a shapeshifter and all.
Total;y, and very well put in the game.
You'd think so but David Gaider has said specifically otherwise. According to him she's named after a character someone was running in a tabletop game he was in.
@@scribejay Maybe it could even be that whoever played the character wanted this reference, but then Gaider didn't know about that lol
The issue with the meat was Cu Chulainn was that it was dog meat. He had a two fold geas that he could not refuse hospitality, and that he could not eat dog meat.
While I may not know Cú Chullain's tale very well I know enough that A. You're pronouncing his name wrong and don't give the name's origin which is fairly important and B. That you missed out on fairly important details and you probably could've started with Setanta's (I'm using the og name on purpose) other accomplishments to give non Irish people more context for him.
"If you see a dark black raven fly overhead..."
Son. I live in Fairbanks, ALASKA. That's like. 10 times a day...