Cuchulainn & the Morrigan - Spurning a Goddess - Irish - Extra Mythology

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    The goddess Morrigan is a complicated figure in mythology. A goddess of both prosperity and ruin, the Morrigan is a protector first and foremost. But woe be to those who catch her eye as Cuchulainn will quickly find out when he rejects her in her human disguise.
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  • @YamiSouru
    @YamiSouru 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1552

    Morrigan: Bae, come over.
    Cuchulain: Sorry i'm busy soloing an entire army to protect my home.
    Morrigan: So, you have chosen death.

    • @thevine2010
      @thevine2010 4 ปีที่แล้ว +48

      It wouldn't be the first time. LANCER GA SHINDA!

    • @AymenDZA
      @AymenDZA 4 ปีที่แล้ว +16

      Quite literally lol

    • @stevengreen9536
      @stevengreen9536 4 ปีที่แล้ว +54

      But seriously dude was like in the middle of a battle.If she wanted to get his attention so bad she could have made the invading army GO HOME.Or at the very least gave queen rich bitch a bull better than her husband's in exchange for going away!!! Then she could have gotten her supernatural mac on without interruption. :P

    • @scribejay
      @scribejay 4 ปีที่แล้ว +18

      @@stevengreen9536 She's a war goddess, you don't ignore her in her own house.

    • @stevengreen9536
      @stevengreen9536 4 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      @@scribejay What house!? They were outside. :P

  • @Nazrega
    @Nazrega 4 ปีที่แล้ว +367

    "Realizing his folly, he died with a bitter laugh on his lips." That's the most Ulster thing I've ever heard, and my dad's from Fermanagh.

    • @AndrewGeierMelons
      @AndrewGeierMelons 4 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      Like cutting your hand off and throwing it so you're the first person to touch Ulster. We've got some wild stories, haven't we? 🤣 My family's from Magherafelt

    • @whitelily6658
      @whitelily6658 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@AndrewGeierMelons *Leinster screaming*

    • @AndrewGeierMelons
      @AndrewGeierMelons 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@whitelily6658 🤣🤣🤣

    • @shirley241
      @shirley241 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yo fermanagh bois

  • @Mono-gb4hh
    @Mono-gb4hh 4 ปีที่แล้ว +525

    I know there was probably no time but did you have to leave out the fact that while tied to that stone he still killed anyone who attacked his body and the fact he tied himself to that stone with his own entrails

    • @Romellenios_Lanz_Daemos
      @Romellenios_Lanz_Daemos 4 ปีที่แล้ว +53

      "METAL!"

    • @Artur_M.
      @Artur_M. 4 ปีที่แล้ว +18

      Yeah, at least that last bit was sort of implied visually.

    • @dandraantwineLive
      @dandraantwineLive 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      What!!!

    • @snababo3914
      @snababo3914 4 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      To add to this, I had always heard the story told that it was more than one army, that while dying he slew another whole army. Warriors were only brave enough to approach when the M
      Morrigan landed on his shoulder to show that he was dead

    • @finnpom7795
      @finnpom7795 4 ปีที่แล้ว +25

      Or that the illness was actually so that the men of ulster would feel labour pains in their hour of need for the morrigan being forced to run a race while pregnant
      Or that Cuchulainn was actually 17 and wasnt counted as a man yet...

  • @MazzaAzi
    @MazzaAzi 4 ปีที่แล้ว +212

    Morrigan: *Falls in love with a demi god because they are currently single handedly protecting her land by dueling an entire army*
    Also Morrigan: *Kills said demi god because they where too busy single handedly protecting her land by dueling an entire army to date her*

    • @acninee
      @acninee 4 ปีที่แล้ว +23

      Priorities.

    • @Russo-Delenda-Est
      @Russo-Delenda-Est 4 ปีที่แล้ว +33

      That sums up what I took away from this story. That and gods really suck.

    • @heno86
      @heno86 4 ปีที่แล้ว +14

      Women..

    • @issybelsertado5989
      @issybelsertado5989 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @s. Hennessy uhhh deities we would've done all the same thing stop playing

    • @williamknox6648
      @williamknox6648 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@issybelsertado5989 nah B. You don't interrupt somebody mid-match. Godly vag or not

  • @alanepithet2931
    @alanepithet2931 4 ปีที่แล้ว +984

    There's a lot to unpack here. Top down:
    The men of Ulster weren't cursed with sickness, they were cursed 'to suffer labor pains in their hour of need' by the goddess of the city, since the king had forced his wife to run a race while heavily pregnant. Cu Chulainn got a pass because of a loophole (Being a teenager, not yet a man), not because he was the son of a god.
    I'm sad you skipped over the days-long fight he had with his closest friend that he had trained with. It's heartbreaking and intense.
    The meat that he ate wasn't cursed, it was entirely non-magical dog meat. Cu Chulainn had taken a series of vows in exchange for more power and skill; one of those vows was to never eat dog meat. Over the course of several days he was tricked into breaking each of the other vows in turn as well, so that all he had in the final day was his natural capability.
    When he died, none of the men around him could believe he was dead, so one of them finally approached him to check, at which point Cu Chulainn's sword swung down from the ready position he'd held it in, chopping off the man's hand.

    • @danielmiller1178
      @danielmiller1178 4 ปีที่แล้ว +60

      Did the Queen ever get that prize bull?

    • @Foxenco
      @Foxenco 4 ปีที่แล้ว +52

      Cu is the most metal person that has ever lived

    • @dr.velious5411
      @dr.velious5411 4 ปีที่แล้ว +47

      @@danielmiller1178 Yes, except iirc it wasn't supposed to be kept near the other bull that her husband owned, the two fought and exploded into a shower of black bile.

    • @TheIrishNationLives
      @TheIrishNationLives 4 ปีที่แล้ว +67

      Great points. I cringe now whenever I see Extra Credits covering Irish history or myth. It's great to see a big channel covering things like this but it looks like they just read and misunderstood half of a Wikipedia article.

    • @ak318
      @ak318 4 ปีที่แล้ว +35

      also it wasnt in many tellings the morigan that gave him the dog meat, as cu chullain did not die in that battle but later as revenge, the tellings i have seen during the battle after he caused her the injuries cu chullain drank some milk and ate a meal provided by an old lady, with eat part he consumed she recovered at which point then he realised he had insulted the morrigan but said he would do it again as he did not regret any action he had taken.
      After the battle where he found Queen Madb in a comprimising position but protected her as she escaped Ulster, she gathered the sons of the men Cu Chullain had killed and it was them who used the rules of hospitality to make him eat dog meat and then later kill him. And yeah when he was hit he tied himself to a rock with his own intestines, as OP said he took the arm of Lugaid who tried to take his head and then no one approached until the raven landed on his shoulder marking he was finally dead.

  • @MundaneAxiom
    @MundaneAxiom 4 ปีที่แล้ว +159

    Not gonna lie, this feels like an oddly incomplete telling of this story. No mention of the payoff of the Morrigan's injuries, omission of the significance of dog meat, no mention of the duel with Ferdiad and several other aspects.
    Maybe I'm just too familiar with this story, but still, bit dissapointed nonetheless.

    • @Tecrogue
      @Tecrogue 4 ปีที่แล้ว +19

      Agreed. It took two separate events and tied them together as well. There could have been an entire series on Cú Chulainn, but instead they squashed two related portions of his myth together.

    • @PheOfTheFae
      @PheOfTheFae 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Yeah this was an oversimplified mashup. Kinda like that advert from Guiness that had him as an adult, holding his caman, facing the brown bull of Cooley ...which was a mashup of how he got his name, only that was against a hound, and the Tain. Which makes it wrong, but not the most wrong CuChulainn story I've ever heard. I've got one in a book somewhere that mashes up stories about him, Lugh, some Greek stuff, and I don't remember what else but says it's all him. It's pretty insane. XD

    • @travisarcher23
      @travisarcher23 4 ปีที่แล้ว +14

      The full story would have to be a five episode series. I wouldn't complain about that though.

    • @gothnerd887
      @gothnerd887 4 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      If you want a more detailed telling go see Overly Sarcastic Productions

    • @dreadpiraterobertsii4420
      @dreadpiraterobertsii4420 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Any man link us it be a i only vaguely remember this from primary school

  • @Jebbtube
    @Jebbtube 4 ปีที่แล้ว +19

    I think the "cursed meat" was dog meat, which Cuchulainn was under geass (magical contract) on to consume.

  • @adrianng8367
    @adrianng8367 4 ปีที่แล้ว +99

    Scrolling down for them Fate/Stay Night references.

  • @Unbottled.Water23
    @Unbottled.Water23 4 ปีที่แล้ว +141

    He did not die like that he died killing more men but when he died the Morgan did land on his shoulder but before the queen could take his head he took her hand off

    • @lettuceman9439
      @lettuceman9439 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Wait didnt he die Fighting a Sword Throwing Asshole or Did he die After a Priest told him to Kill Himself.........or is it because some ottoman Assasin ate his ate.

    • @stevengreen9536
      @stevengreen9536 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@lettuceman9439 Ottoman assassin ate his what!?

    • @ak318
      @ak318 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Actually it is Lugaid's hand he takes way after the cattle raid happened. Cause that battle ends with Cu Chullain protecting Medb as she retreats after he found her peeing and forced her to surrender.

    • @BothHands1
      @BothHands1 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      of course the queen was the bad guy, this was hundreds of years ago, afterall. none of the historians back then would make a queen the hero of their retelling of history. it just wouldn't be profitable, but instead would be scandalous and bring overwhelming criticism his way

    • @anadaere6861
      @anadaere6861 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Someone got their hands chopped off
      Not morigan

  • @tfp2164
    @tfp2164 4 ปีที่แล้ว +22

    Another version of the story is that she sent messengers and the owner of the bull agreed but the messengers got drunk at a feast with the owner and said that if he had not agreed they would have used military force and the bull owner insulted refused to sell the bull

  • @snababo3914
    @snababo3914 4 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    So the cunning of the Morrigan is a little overlooked in here. The meat that was given to Cú Chulainn was not poisoned, it was dog meat. You see Irish deities often have a Geas, a Gaes is a kind of double edged sword, living by it gives you strength but breaking it can kill you. Cú Chulainn had two that the Morrigan abused here. He could not eat dog meat and he could not reject food offered by a woman. No matter what he did he was done for.
    As a side note pronunciation is normally closer to "coo" (the bird noise) and "cullin" like culling without the g. Though it does sound like you had trouble with this from the couple of audio snippets that I believe were the same.
    Fun episode all round, been wondering when you would get into Celtic mythos.

  • @MaxHDAvenger
    @MaxHDAvenger 4 ปีที่แล้ว +73

    The same Queen Medb? Acourse have to deal with her army and some of us who played FGO know her.

    • @alanepithet2931
      @alanepithet2931 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Yes, but also no. Because FGO is usually about as far from canon to the myths as you get. Don't take it to heart, is what I'm saying.

    • @StellanQuin
      @StellanQuin 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      *laughs in already knowing who the person is bc Fate*

    • @JSNDragon
      @JSNDragon 4 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      Lancer ga shinda!

    • @oliversynowiec3350
      @oliversynowiec3350 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Like always he die while mortaly wounding himself

    • @MaxHDAvenger
      @MaxHDAvenger 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@oliversynowiec3350 Not in FGO he's hard to be killed easily unless your facing Ibaraki Doji or Abigail (both can remove his battle continuation guts)

  • @yifeiwang3953
    @yifeiwang3953 4 ปีที่แล้ว +33

    *Insert Fate references here*:

  • @Tecrogue
    @Tecrogue 4 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    Huh, this is the first time I’ve see the Cattle Raid of Cooley crossed with his death. Usually that is told as one of his first triumphs not his downfall.

    • @tanyanikolaevagizdova6571
      @tanyanikolaevagizdova6571 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Even in the versions where he died in the Cattle Raid that wasn't the way he kicked the bucket. In those versions he died fighting his battle brother ( and possible lover) Ferdiad(?).

  • @Pjvenom1985
    @Pjvenom1985 4 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Interesting interpretation guys, well done! The tale of Cu Chulainn battling his foster-brother an close lifelong friend Ferdia during this saga never fails to break my ole heart. Could of done a video dedicated just to that sad clash.☘

  • @happygoluckyscamp
    @happygoluckyscamp 4 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    You took two parts of the Ulster Cycle and smashed them together.

  • @thisisanalt
    @thisisanalt 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    The Ulstermen sickness didnt come from disrespectingthe Morrigan, it came from the King od Ulster forcing his wife, the goddess Macha in human guise, to outrun all the horses in a race because he was being goaded by his noblemen since he often boasted she could outrun any horse (which she normally could, goddess of horses and whatnot) but she was heavily pregnant this time, she was understandably miffed, ran anyway, won, gave birth on the track to twins or something, died, and placed a curse on Ulstermen. Which required Cuchalain's later intervention in the war with Connaught to save the province because he wasnt born in Ulster and thus spared the curse. Also he was the son of Lugh thrice conceived or something and a totally chad for disregarding thots that try to control him.

  • @Verastoc13
    @Verastoc13 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    There's a lot wrong in this retelling, unfortunately. It's worth mentioning that the Mórrígan 'seducing' Cú Chullain was likely a revision thrown in when the person recording the story wasn't familiar with the Táin Bó Regamna, one of the pre-tales to the Táin Bó Cúailnge, and so inserted this to explain why she came after him in the forms she did. Also, It was Macha as a fairy-woman who cursed the Ulstermen with labor pains. She is generally considered one of the Mórrígna, but is also a separate goddess. He got out of it cause he was only 17 and not considered a man yet. The meat wasn't cursed, it was dog meat, he had oaths to not eat his namesake (dog) or refuse hospitality. The Mórrígan isn't associated with Morgan le Fay except in modern accounts.
    There are a lot better retellings out there, or you can read it yourself and get all the pieces that are missing.

  • @Prich319
    @Prich319 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Specifically, the meat he was offered was that of a dog, it was a violation of his geass, which stated he could not eat the flesh of dogs, or refuse food offered to him by a woman. Either way, he was screwed. From what I know of Irish mythology, one does not simply break their geass and live.

  • @milocarteret8770
    @milocarteret8770 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Were these the same Ulstermen that were said to be cursed with labor pains?
    Edit: that is, their "illness" was that the men periodically experienced labor pains as their curse.

  • @midimusicforever
    @midimusicforever 4 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    If only that guy hadn't been so attached to his cow, this could all have been avoided.

    • @thuranz2773
      @thuranz2773 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      If something like this happended in reality the ruler of Ulster would probably have just made him sell the bloody cow.

    • @charlesforsyth8655
      @charlesforsyth8655 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Is a man not entitled to the milk of his cow?

  • @thomasbosworth8013
    @thomasbosworth8013 4 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    The "illness" the Ulster were suffering from is actually a lot more interesting and funny than is described here. They were suffering from labor pains. Not only that, it was something that happened yearly to all Ulter men after they repeatedly disrespected a completely different godess called Macha years prior. It also only lasted 5 days each year, not 9 like what was said.
    So... basically nothing like what was described here.

    • @tanyanikolaevagizdova6571
      @tanyanikolaevagizdova6571 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Macha, Babd and Nemain are the three Morrigna(?) . The Morrigan was a triple goddess.

  • @alexbrown1930
    @alexbrown1930 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    The issue with the meat was Cu Chulainn was that it was dog meat. He had a two fold geas that he could not refuse hospitality, and that he could not eat dog meat.

  • @robrechtcordemans3763
    @robrechtcordemans3763 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Don't forget the version of the story where he used a spear that he threw with his foot.

    • @dr.velious5411
      @dr.velious5411 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      There's also the ones where the Gae Bolg turns targets into human pincushions too. I think it was supposedly fashioned from whalebone or something.

  • @kasinokaiser1319
    @kasinokaiser1319 4 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    Oh no what have you done! You have brought them here!

  • @TheDarthbinky
    @TheDarthbinky 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    It's been a while but wasn't Cuchulainn usually armed with a magic barbed spear, not a sword? I dimly remember something about him throwing it by basically kicking it at his target.

  • @tryingstuffout
    @tryingstuffout 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Far as I know Cu chulainn didnt die at the tain bo cuailnge, the whole thing is half right, bases from the stories I've heard his dad one of the tuatha de danan comes from the other world and puts him into a healing slumber. The other boys from the crann Rua took over from where cu chulainn left off, cu chulainn woke to find they all died. The curse only applied to men old enough to have hair on their chins because macha was furious that grown men couldn't stand up for a pregnant woman. The point was so they would loose their strength when they needed it most.
    Still bleak but that's Irish folklore for ya

  • @NephilimHunter1959
    @NephilimHunter1959 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    You missed out alot of details in this video, like how he got his name, how he became so strong, his weapon, his weird ability to turn into a monster, the king forcing his wife to run a race against a horse while pregnant and all the men getting cursed with labour pains in there hour of need forcing the children to fight. His battle with his best friend who he trained with, Him cutting a mans hand off even in death.

  • @CaptainHoers
    @CaptainHoers 4 ปีที่แล้ว +18

    I clicked on this video entirely to see how they'd butcher the names
    source: i passed that standing stone on the way to school for like 15 years

  • @Toothicus
    @Toothicus 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    When I was young, this was told as two separate stories, the bull of cooley, in which Cuchulainn would fight days and days in single combat against an old friend (and perhaps lover) and the death of cuchulainn at the hands of the morrigan.

  • @LucianoThePig
    @LucianoThePig 4 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    I'm pretty sure it's pronounced Coo Culan, with a space between the words, since Cu Chullain means Chullain's Guard

    • @charlietizzardokevlahan3130
      @charlietizzardokevlahan3130 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Well, Hound (of) Cullain, but yeh

    • @jimmynyarlathotep6857
      @jimmynyarlathotep6857 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      *Dog

    • @mikeoxsmal8022
      @mikeoxsmal8022 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@jimmynyarlathotep6857 no its hound. Cú is hound. Madra is Dog

    • @charlietizzardokevlahan3130
      @charlietizzardokevlahan3130 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@mikeoxsmal8022 Yeh cú and hound are both cognate from PIE *ḱwṓ, but I don't think anyone would be aggrieved if it got translated as dog

  • @correnwei9470
    @correnwei9470 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    So you've kind of left out the most badass parts of Cuchulainn's death. He didn't just tie himself to a rock with some rope but rather with his own fucking entrails. Also none of the enemy soldiers dared to approach him because they didn't think he was dead until they saw the Raven land on his shoulders. (Also I think he fell over his spear killing the dude who was checking up on him so not even dying could stop this guy^^)

  • @mjbull5156
    @mjbull5156 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    "Leonidas was such a wimp for needing 299 backups!"

  • @scribejay
    @scribejay 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The way I heard it is that he tied himself up standing against that rock with his entrails to make Medb's army think he was still alive only for the Morrigan to render it moot by landing on his shoulder as a crow and pecking at his corpse signalling his death. Then, when the first of Medb's soldiers went to claim his head, his sword arm that had held up in his death, fell and chopped the soldier's head off.
    Now do Queen Medb next. Tell about how she used she used bed as a tool for power yet was viscous toward any man who disrespected her and how she was ultimately killed by a piece of cheese.

  • @theMosen
    @theMosen 4 ปีที่แล้ว +27

    It's pronounced Coo-CHULL-inn, stress on the second syllable.

    • @TlalocTemporal
      @TlalocTemporal 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Is it not "Ku-HUE-lin"?

    • @whitelily6658
      @whitelily6658 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@TlalocTemporal I????? No??? How????

    • @TlalocTemporal
      @TlalocTemporal 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@whitelily6658 -- In the same way "loch" is pronounced "lock" or "logh" depending on the person, "Cuchulainn" can be "coo-chull-in" or "cu-hull-in" depending on the person.

    • @whitelily6658
      @whitelily6658 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@TlalocTemporal but how Ku-Hue-in????????? I’ve been everywhere across the country and have not heard that???

  • @miguelhernandez1045
    @miguelhernandez1045 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Don't think we forgot about your promise to do a video on the Morrigan's prophecy about the end of the world (at the end of the Celtic mythology saga about the children of the Danu)
    Please, please do that one

  • @Brian-tn4cd
    @Brian-tn4cd 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    While I may not know Cú Chullain's tale very well I know enough that A. You're pronouncing his name wrong and don't give the name's origin which is fairly important and B. That you missed out on fairly important details and you probably could've started with Setanta's (I'm using the og name on purpose) other accomplishments to give non Irish people more context for him.

  • @alexandercolefield9523
    @alexandercolefield9523 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    so... did the Queen get her cow?

  • @pirateking56128
    @pirateking56128 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Yo y'all neglected to mention how the army was so spooked by cuchulainn after all the fighting he did that, even after he died standing up, they still waited to make sure. And when someone finally got the balls enough to try and attack his corpse, cuchulainn's arm gave way with sword still in hand, and killed the guy. That's right this fucking dog is such a champ he kills people even when he's dead.

  • @Googledeservestodie
    @Googledeservestodie 4 ปีที่แล้ว +91

    The Virgin Hercules
    THE CHAD CUCHULAINN

    • @acninee
      @acninee 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Nah, he was married.

    • @PheOfTheFae
      @PheOfTheFae 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Most Pagans who know the stories well agree that he was gay, and got Alexander the Great treatment in the great Christian "our warrior heroes can't be GAY" tradition.

    • @tanyanikolaevagizdova6571
      @tanyanikolaevagizdova6571 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@PheOfTheFae He was probably bi though as he was also married.

    • @tanyanikolaevagizdova6571
      @tanyanikolaevagizdova6571 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@acninee And had a lot of extramarital affairs.

    • @geilleadh4852
      @geilleadh4852 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@PheOfTheFae who Cu Chulainn?

  • @jackhelm9852
    @jackhelm9852 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Morrigan was not in the Witcher to my knowledge, she was in Dragon Age though.

  • @ladylunaginaofgames40
    @ladylunaginaofgames40 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    If your gonna contribute the story of the Goddess, you gotta talk about the history of the hero she brought down cause he's way more interesting. Additionally, this whole war over a bull transcend lifetimes: The bulls were, in a previous life, bickering neighbors from the other land. They became bulls when, during their shapeshifting duels, one gets swallowed by a cow and thus reborn as a Bull. Both men became bulls with the prophecy that they will duel one more time, with the bull of Cu's land beating the bull of the Queen's land across the land as he avenges his calf (which the King's Cow slaying the child). When they got the cow, all that have been prophecized happened, and an epic Bull duel took place before the loser died, and the winner died of exhaustion. Celtic Mythology: When you have a wacky story of why there was a pointless war over a cow just to make your OC's death look epic

  • @engleberteverything421
    @engleberteverything421 4 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Oh god the pronunciation of the names, and I thought his Glasgow was bad...

    • @prestonjones1653
      @prestonjones1653 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Tbf, even the Irish can barely understand Gealge spelling and pronunciation rules.

    • @AndrewGeierMelons
      @AndrewGeierMelons 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@prestonjones1653 - it's the source of many of our debates in Irish language groups. Too many regional dialects across Ireland. There's generally four dialects across Ireland...
      Then you've got the plastic Paddies in the States who think they speak Irish and try to tell you that "póg mo thoin" means "I love you" because they heard it from someone else who thought it's a funny prank. It isn't. I mean, it is, but it isn't.

  • @aroma13
    @aroma13 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Fun fact : another story tells that the man of ulster could not fight because they had labor pains, but cu chulainn was 17 and so not a man yet.
    Fun fact 2 : the man ulster had labor because their queen was made to out ran horses while pregnant

  • @MRDLT00
    @MRDLT00 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    2:25 "Illness"?!?!
    She made them experience childbirth pains! XD

  • @basvriese1934
    @basvriese1934 4 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    I really love how supposed gods always come up with incredibly convoluted plans that often don't work

    • @feynstein1004
      @feynstein1004 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      That's the thing with any form of storytelling. If the characters did logical, reasonable things then the story would be over quickly and wouldn't be very entertaining.

  • @generalkohn
    @generalkohn 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The Morrigan: Bro, help me with the enemy team.
    Cu: Sorry, farming minions rn.
    The Morrigan: Reported

    • @LatinaCreamQueen
      @LatinaCreamQueen 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      I don't want them to take my tier 1 :(

  • @morganjackson5854
    @morganjackson5854 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Good telling... I heard it a bit different having lived in Ireland my whole life... Would love to tell you it the way I have heard it....
    But that is a story for another time

  • @AkDragoon
    @AkDragoon 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    "If you see a dark black raven fly overhead..."
    Son. I live in Fairbanks, ALASKA. That's like. 10 times a day...

  • @nathanbu543
    @nathanbu543 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    what version of the story did you source this episode from if I may ask?

  • @geilleadh4852
    @geilleadh4852 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The story was changed a bit, Maeb didn't ask to buy the bull, she sent a messanger asking to borrow it, the Ulster men accepted, but the messenger she sent got drunk and stated that if they had refused Connaught would have taken the bull by force, the Ulster men perceived this as an insult and refused to send the bull. Hence the war.

  • @Jian13
    @Jian13 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Wasn't the meat just dog which violated the geas he had that gave him his strength?

  • @RemWantsAmbrosia
    @RemWantsAmbrosia 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I might not know this particular myth very well but doesn't he used Gáe Bulg during this myth and kill his best friend / foster brother who was on the opposing army in this myth? Doesn't he also use his ríastrad and turn into like a murder hulk machine. He is severly injured and the god Lug forces him to rest and while he does the local boy-troop of Emain Macha hold the bridge for him and they all die. He finds their bodies when he awakes and uses ríastrad and killed so many people in this rage he builds a wall out of their bodies.
    Like I know myths can be varied but those seem like some pretty key details to leave out. It'd be like talking about Hercules without mentioning his strength...

  • @madmouse1016
    @madmouse1016 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    That one fucking expression on Cuchulainn's face made me laugh for too long and I tried very poorly to copy and paste it on the Fate/Grand Order Cuchulainn

  • @Thoralmir
    @Thoralmir 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    "He's basically Irish Hercules."

    • @mikeoxsmal8022
      @mikeoxsmal8022 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @ทักษะ รอดภัย no

    • @Blazo_Djurovic
      @Blazo_Djurovic 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @ทักษะ รอดภัย Please, it's THE Satan, THE is the important part here.

    • @lucasbeck1391
      @lucasbeck1391 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Blazo_Djurovic wasn't it ACTUALLY satan?

  • @brianhoelzle8111
    @brianhoelzle8111 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    As an irish man myself from what what I can remeber of the story the old women offered Cu Chulian dog meat and as part of some promises he made for his powers he couldnt refuse hospitality and he couldnt eat dog meat. So in the last part of his battle he had lost a lot of his powers. But he still continued to fight even when he strapped himself to the rock dying where he mannaged to killed a few more soilders and the rest stayed back until the crow landed on him and the knew Morrigan had killed him.

    • @brianhoelzle8111
      @brianhoelzle8111 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Also Queen Maeve was a terrifying figure who married many kings and then murdered them when she got bored of them.

  • @niklass.8699
    @niklass.8699 4 ปีที่แล้ว +19

    While i'm watching fate/stay night 😂

  • @cohomologygroup
    @cohomologygroup 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    It seems this version of the myth conflates the Cattle Raid of Cooley with the Death of Cu Chulainn. In the version I know, Cu Chulainn succeeds in guarding the pass, defeats Queen Medb, and even allows her to escape. He doesn't die until a later adventure where she plots to have him killed.
    Btw, The Decemberists did a long song about the Cattle Raid of Cooley (Táin Bó Cúailnge) that has an official music video that depicts the myth. It's really good, and can be found here: th-cam.com/video/_rVMgv0jj5w/w-d-xo.html

  • @imjustdandy9799
    @imjustdandy9799 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Me: what a nice summary of this myth!
    Gaelic me: Is anyone capable of saying cù chulainn correctly? Anyone??

    • @Sevenseasick
      @Sevenseasick 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      He got closer than some butcherings I've heard. It's more he's putting the stress on the wrong syllable than a mispronunciation. Also sorry to nitpick but the fada goes the other way in Irish. Cú Chulainn

  • @GreysonMacAllister
    @GreysonMacAllister 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Specifically the meat was dog meat, something Cu Chulainn had a Geas against eating, which is why the curse affected him.

  • @JosephJoboLicayan
    @JosephJoboLicayan 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    *Insert Fate Lancer Memes*

  • @christophersteiner6596
    @christophersteiner6596 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I know there are different verses of stories but what about the warp spasems, Cooalane kill is war brother, the spear that busted into forns, and the reason the army was having kidney problems was because the king had his wife(who was a godes) race horses while pregnant.

  • @drallagon
    @drallagon 4 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    I read Morrigan and thought on my waifu from Dragon Age: Origins haha turns out she was probably inspired by this myth, being a shapeshifter and all.

    • @sushanalone
      @sushanalone 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Total;y, and very well put in the game.

    • @scribejay
      @scribejay 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      You'd think so but David Gaider has said specifically otherwise. According to him she's named after a character someone was running in a tabletop game he was in.

    • @drallagon
      @drallagon 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@scribejay Maybe it could even be that whoever played the character wanted this reference, but then Gaider didn't know about that lol

  • @Dmania1000
    @Dmania1000 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Wow, this was a very very weird rendition of the battle and how it played out. I have not heard this one.

  • @sleepyburr
    @sleepyburr ปีที่แล้ว

    I know it's implied in the animation, but I just want to bring home the bit about how Cú Chulainn pulled his own entrails out through his wound and used used *them* to tie himself upright.

  • @TielhardSJ
    @TielhardSJ 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    ExtraCredit Guys, what have you been consuming? Usually your stuff is pretty good apart from the occasional duff SF analysis but this, this partial telling of the Táin and especially your characterisations of the Morrigan, she is a tripple godess not a goth girl with PMT ffs and Setanta dog soldier who may have been heroic but was also a demi-god and a right little shite is excrable. As for your pronunciation ... would it have been so hard to find an Irishman or woman where you guys work? It is not like the buggers don't get everywhere. You might also have tied the ending to Irish national identity given how central it is, there is a statue of Cú Chulainn's death in the GPO at Dublin as a memorial to the Rising. Hope your next effort is a lot better.

  • @dearbhlaobeirne9716
    @dearbhlaobeirne9716 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Meave didn't fail to secure the purchase of the bull, nor did she go herself to Ulster. She sent her men who, did indeed offer more than the price of the bull to it's owner, who drove a hard bargain, but in the end she successfully negotiates with the bull's owner, Dáire mac Fiachna, to rent the animal for a year.The deal included Meave's offer of "the friendship of her thighs" to the Dáire, because that's how she rolled. However, her messengers while drunk, reveal that Medb intends to taken the bull by force if she is not allowed to borrow him. The deal breaks down, and Medb raises an army,

  • @Romellenios_Lanz_Daemos
    @Romellenios_Lanz_Daemos 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I read different versions of this, including the ending, but nevertheless you out done yourselves.

  • @NoNameThoughtOfYet
    @NoNameThoughtOfYet 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    This Story Is Called "An Táin Bó Cúllaige" Or "The Cattle Raid Of Cooley" It's From "The Ulster Cycle" Of Irish Mythology, The Cooley Peninsula Is A Valley In Louth, Northeasten Ireland... Just If Anyone Was Wondering Where The Names Are From! :D

  • @MovieFan1912
    @MovieFan1912 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    After hearing this story, I might want to see Cartoon Saloon try its hand at adapting it.

  • @cronoros
    @cronoros 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Point of order! "Uster" is the Norse name for Ulaid/ Ulaidh. While it goes by Ulster in common language now, the period name for it would have been the original Irish version.
    PS, you should also do a video on the origin and meaning of Cuchulainn's name

  • @jortak1169
    @jortak1169 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Two main corrections:
    1. The 9-day illness was menstrual cramps
    2. Cú Chulainn was killed by his battle brother Ferdiadh. The one man Cú Chulainn viewed as an equal. Making the story all the more tragic

  • @wackyboi7540
    @wackyboi7540 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Hey Extra Credits.
    Back when you made a series about dentistry, WHERE IS THE FULLY DETAILED VERSION? I see your reasons as to why you didn’t include that and l respect that decision. But please, make a more gruesome one with ALLL the details for us Nerds who want to know all about it with great detail.

  • @AndrewGeierMelons
    @AndrewGeierMelons 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    A proud day to be an Ulsterman.
    Also Cú Chúlainn is literally a roughly translated Irish Gaelic for "blond" man so I'm not sure why he's got his reddish hair in your drawings.
    Love from an Ulsterman living in Canada

    • @faolanj66
      @faolanj66 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      You're thinking of Fionn, which means light-haired. Cú Chúlainn is Hound of Culain.

  • @ribbitgoesthedoglastnamehe4681
    @ribbitgoesthedoglastnamehe4681 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    "She is the protector of the land."
    Well done Morrigan, just next time, protect the other country, please!

  • @BossBattle21
    @BossBattle21 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    I've been waiting for a Cuchulainn episode. Thanks guys.

  • @someoneawesome8717
    @someoneawesome8717 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Ravens and crows get treats anyway because I don't wanna piss off the bird mafia

  • @Tsuruchi_420
    @Tsuruchi_420 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    0:35 cheeky Walpole, always plotting in a distant hills of London

  • @gwenward2141
    @gwenward2141 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Although I love to see more youtubers cover Irish myths, I do need to point on one thing: The timeline for this is all wrong.
    You implied that this was going on during the war between Ulster and Connought (ussually called the Cattle Raid of Cooley, one of the most well-documented stories from this mythology) Which ended while Cuchulainn was still alive.
    One of the last one-on-one battles Cuchulainn fought in the war was against queen Meadb's lover and his foster brother. They did that whole song-and-dance where they don't want to fight and give the other person a chance to back down, but honor demands that they fight. When Cuchulainn kills his friend, he becomes so enraged that he goes into berserker mode for a while, the looses his will to fight during which the Connought forces comes in and steels the bull they want.
    I suspect that you just messed up the timeline a little, and that there's a large time skip between the Cattle Raid and whatever war Cuchulainn died in. Considering that Mythological Ireland wasn't exactly peaceful, there were a lot of battles going on.

  • @mythosandlogos
    @mythosandlogos 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    This channel does such a great job at consolidating the often confusing Celtic tradition into great narratives like this one. Keep it up!

  • @WolvieXXXZandalari
    @WolvieXXXZandalari 4 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    That endings lame. Does the godess ever get her comeuppance? From another hero? Also... whats the point of the story? Being a good hero bad? Ignoring a goddess to save ur kingdom bad?
    Usually these tales have an underlying message.

    • @patrickbeart7091
      @patrickbeart7091 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      cumuppins?

    • @elafimilo8199
      @elafimilo8199 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      It's a myth, not a story. Cuchullain met a bad end. It happens.

    • @shmuel6
      @shmuel6 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I'm with you on this. The message I'm getting is if your boyfriend dumps you go burn down his house and you'll be the winner in the end.

    • @GaldirEonai
      @GaldirEonai 4 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      The message is "when _the goddamn Morrigan_ says 'jump', all you ask is 'how high?'".

    • @dejohnson1113
      @dejohnson1113 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Well her worship was usurped for Christianity. So I guess no more worship for her... I guess a lot of gods got their comeuppance that way...

  • @mitchellhardman3558
    @mitchellhardman3558 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    This:
    Exist
    Fate fans: Allow us to introduced ourselves

  • @BlueDog241
    @BlueDog241 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    All this happened because someone wanted a cow.

    • @brianhoelzle8111
      @brianhoelzle8111 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      At that time in Ireland cows were one of the most expensive things someone could own and were used as currency.

    • @AndrewGeierMelons
      @AndrewGeierMelons 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      We're talking about nobility here... Someone who could have almost everything she wanted... Except this cow that a mere commoner refused to sell her. Great insult upon her entire family's prestige to be rejected by a commoner. The whole story is a story of cautioning rejection. And pregnant foot races. Don't do that.

    • @PheOfTheFae
      @PheOfTheFae 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Also the "who had more wealth" argument was about who was in charge between them in what realms of life: it wasn't entirely that it was "a man's role" to be in charge outside of the household and "a woman's role" to be in charge of the household so much as it was whichever spouse was richer was in charge outside and the other in charge of the household. In their case being royalty, Medb was the real ruler and her husband Ailill was not; if he had ended up being richer than her, it would have been a power move to try and take over ruling.
      Also the bull that he had, the whole point of contention was that that bull (the white bull of Ai) used to be in her herds but had moved of its own volition over to Ailill's herds so he claimed it and so did she. She was after the brown bull of Cooley to definitively be richer, and the rightful ruler.
      In the end she got the bull, but then it killed the other bull, trotted back home to Ulster, and promptly died.
      And hundreds, possibly thousands of warriors died.

  • @oneanimatortorulethemall4714
    @oneanimatortorulethemall4714 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    I"m so glad you finally did a video on this!

  • @DurandCompton
    @DurandCompton 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    There is so much wrong with this telling, I don't even know where to begin.

  • @cursedcat9557
    @cursedcat9557 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    This is interesting and all but does he gets his red spear and a blue tight?

  • @jdzencelowcz
    @jdzencelowcz 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    No Ravens in GA, but plenty of the southern variety, Crows. Not as many as that one YT vid, but still a noticeable amount.

  • @theshadowsagas3617
    @theshadowsagas3617 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I am on my way! I can go the dis--oh wait wrong mythology

  • @megaman455
    @megaman455 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I can't believe you cut the fact that he tied himself to the rock *with his own guts.* Cowards!

  • @calebharding8221
    @calebharding8221 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    I love just how many different telling and versions of Irish mythology.

  • @Joust149
    @Joust149 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    "Could you come back later? I'm a little busy right now."
    "....listen here you little shit."

  • @trippyhare
    @trippyhare 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Fun fact: crows and ravens hold grudges, and teach others to hold the same grudge! So be nice to corvids. :)

    • @scribejay
      @scribejay 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      And they can remember a human's specific face. A college experiment had someone go out wearing a mask (a Nixon mask if I remember correctly) and harass crows till they did the same in kind. Later someone else went out in the same mask and got the what for from said crows.
      Corvids are the best. They also have specific dialects for their families and use that to keep secrets.

  • @BobTheGodly
    @BobTheGodly 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    You can keep a cat off of a keyboard by putting up a decoy keyboard all they really want is to lay on the square thing. Bonus points if it's warm.

  • @gabbyp4221
    @gabbyp4221 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    You didn't tell the part where the whole army refuses to approach his corpse for hours, fearing that this is a ruse and he will cut them all down. They only feel safe enough to approach when the Raven lands on his shoulder, but as the first does lightning strikes the stone, and cuchulainns arm falls, cutting off the hand of the advancing man.

  • @mureithikivuti
    @mureithikivuti 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    The queen and her husband were probably couple goals back in the day

  • @3osma617
    @3osma617 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    She is just a hardcore r/nicegirls

  • @ignaciox9067
    @ignaciox9067 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I've never heard a more simplified version of this story - Totally skipped over the "labour pains" suffered by the men of Ulster.. Cú Chulainn being 17.. An old friend of his coming to fight him and that's not technically how he died.. Also got the reason Méabh invaded in the first place wrong
    But still an entertaining video

  • @cerocero2817
    @cerocero2817 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    I'd say if something sets apart Cuchulainn from other mythologyc heroes from the perspective of a modern spectator is just how damm metal his riastrad was.

  • @samuelschonenberger
    @samuelschonenberger 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The legend of Mario Mario, first name Mario, last name Mario

  • @Dorrovian
    @Dorrovian 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Not really cursed meat, but dog's meat - which went against his geas of not eating dog's meat. But he also couldn't refuse meal, as this was (depending on version) against laws of hospitality or against another geas he had. Which means he was in situation when he couldn't not violate geas and become weakened.
    Also, why didn't you talk how metal his last stand was (fighting army while bound to stone by his own entrails and still undefeated)?