I don't think it's making commander worse, commander wasn't that good to begin with, and the best cards in it were incredibly toxic. Printing cards for it has just closed the gap between the best cards and the cards that are accessible.
My two cents as someone who primarily plays Commander but has dabbled in constructed? wotc have made pretty clear that foundations is a product for *beginners,* and so having Commander product along with that set's release is better for onboarding beginners, since they'll more likely be running into other commander players.
Yeah, I agree that having a set designed for beginners should have commander product alongside it, commander was how I got into the game and I love it still, while also appreciating other formats
Dawg. Not everything needs to lead you to commander. I wanted a product to lead you to standard.....ya know the previous main format of MTG.....plus you get 100 precons a year....you needed more?...
@@koolaiddude7685894 The problem with leading people to standard is that it's inherently temporary (and that it's not as popular, but that's not particularly relevant.) If someone starts playing Magic and they build a standard deck, after a while the cards rotate and they're left with a deck they can't play anymore. As a beginner, that's a rough thing to go through (it happened to me with Pokemon when I used to play that.) Not to mention that any "Standard Precon" would eventually not be legal in standard anymore, which would likely confuse people. Foundations could very well be a good path to getting people into standard by being a pool of known cards that will stick around for a lot longer, but time will tell. As for the precons argument, I'll never bemoan having an accessible pick up and play product, although they should absolutely support more formats.
@@khub5660 Yeah, that's been the status quo for years, so what's the problem? Commander is popular, Hasbro sees that Commander makes hella money, WOTC makes more Commander product, both to make money and to give the playerbase what they want. Nobody's forcing you to play Commander or interact with Commander-only cards, just like no one's forcing you to play Magic to begin with
I was introduced to magic through commander last year, and it’s still how I primarily engage with the game. Your commander shorts led me to watch your constructed content and it has given me a new appreciation for the game.
Having cards legal in Standard for 5+ years with Foundations is equivalent to reprinting them over time in sets that are present at any point in time in a Standard rotation (e.g., reprint them every
Also only "Select Foundation cards included in the Starter Collection" will be for Commander only - that means only a small subset and only in a specific product in the Foundations lineup. That's great, those will be Commander staples and will further increase accessibility to them - sorry but what's not to like about it?
Commander was an absolute boon to WotC execs, but it was most definitely a damaging presence to Magic as a whole. MtG was kept up for 25+ years on the back of competitive play, and EDH has all but decimated that in most markets that are not super centralized and major cities.
I'm not sure I'm convinced of that. I can tangentially agree that for 25 years magic was built on its competitive community, but once they stopped focusing in that and focusing on the casual one instead they exploded in popularity
I relate so much with the product fatigue and missing the time before FIRE design and made-for-commander. However it has been like 5 years since commander started to be the forefront of Magic with sets like throne of eldraine. In some ways, I think everything including commander cards everywhere is good for the game. The majority casual audience gets to buy toys that fund the hobby and competitive environment that some of us still want. If Foundations including non-standard legal cards is what the game needs for balance while still selling, then I think it's a fair compromise. My proposed solution to "selling commander in standard" was to make The List slot be non-standard cards to give other players a reason to buy. And that's essentially what they've done here I guess only time will tell if they've learned a lesson from rotating modern and killing standard. My hopes are that they leave Pioneer alone as a successor to Modern, and that Foundations becomes something like the basic cards in Hearthstone or Shadowverse. (like a core set that doesn't rotate while everything else does)
There's no way it gets as bad as Yugioh. Foundations just seems like it's taking the place of old core sets and since those sold poorly and Jumpstart which didn't pivot new players into Standard. Yugioh is a runaway freight train of power creep and the conductor snapped off the emergency brake to make sure the ride never ends. The game system itself is also not self-limiting at all due to having no deck restrictions or resources so when they printed the first archetypes that could go +1 in card advantage all limits were gone and balance snapped in half.
I really like that huge volume of commaders tbh. Like it feels like everyone in you local community has their commander. Like we have this guy who play kinnan, some kaalia player, some bello, a korvold 2, a god damn gimbal player, like everyone has their own main.
I played modern FNM at my lgs for year, but stopped around Khan of Tarkir when college started getting tough. When I returned last year I was repulsed by the "trashification" of the game. Its like a fortnite project manager bought the MTG ip and just started pumping out thoughtless product tie-ins that dilute the integrity of all formats
I really only play commander apart from the odd draft or prerelease. I like looking at spoilers to see what cards might fit well in my decks or what legendaries might be cool to build, but the sheer number of sets being released nowadays can make this a bit exhausting and make me feel like I'm trying to keep up with the Joneses. There's already 27K legal cards in the format, we can go a set or two without pushed cards.
2:00, yea that part. Im new to magic as of this year, play casual commander, my friends and i try to play with 4 but often have 5 or 6 player games and the norm is for them to last 4+ hours. Longest was 9 hours haha
In constructed, if I really need to read the opponents cards which does not happen often then I read it. But in commander, I just don’t care because on reading the new cards from pre cons because I don’t think that commander is not as fun as every constructed format.
Started with modern and commander, then exclusively commander shortly after as that all that was supported across all lgs's in the area. I played arena tho. Got into pioneer a bit, but again still no support. And then BAM, started playing standard with blomburrow and am so excited for 60card formats. Commander is cool, but some people don't get to know how to play as there's so many cards and targets and 4 players and 120 life, it's a lot to learn on. 60(really like 12 cards and several copies of it) vs 100 cards, and major inconsistencies in a game, and learning steps and phases and removal, and building your own decks to figure all of that out, in a rapid fire game, vs a 4 hour game where people bitch when they get attacked 2 turns in a row. It's a game where I'm supposed to kill you, there's just so much to love for commander, but damn they're making so much to hate, with the products and the players mentalities now.
You have fantastic points here. But in my honest opinion, as a solely commander player, I love every set having precons attached to them, weather its 2 or 4 or 5 precons, it puts more stuff out there for me to build or even include in what ive built. I dont play modern or standard, and I rarely play pauper because I know where my skillset is. EDH and cEDH where I can try and break things and brew and I love it. Im horrible at building constructed decks for Modern or Standard and honestly, I also think those formats are very toxic. I pre releass occasionally but again im even worse at building a deck in a time constraint. Again you have great points, and Honestly I agree foundations should only be full of standard legal cards and the Special Guests that arent standard legal. But as a commander player, every new set excites me for what cards are going to be good in Commander. Thats just my opinion.
I gave up reading cards in edh years ago. Right now I just ask "do I need to remove it?" And if they say yes I cast a removal spell. Otherwise I just look at my phone during the 30 minutes my opponents are taking moving around their little counters and drawing stuff. Commander is really a boring game.
I definitely understand the “commander is everywhere” thing as nearly every set now has a batch of commander pre cons to go along with it. I wish Modern Horizons 3 didn’t have commander sets. I feel certain sets that are intended to be designed for other formats shouldn’t have commander decks tied to them. However, Foundations is meant to be an introductory set to Magic. Everything you need to teach new players young or old the game you enjoy. Commander and Standard are very popular formats, so it makes sense to include them both for this release in my opinion. The whole “this set is for commander players” makes me laugh a bit. Let’s say MH3 didn’t have pre cons associated with it. There still would have been the same legendary creatures in the main set regardless. Wherever there is a legendary creature printed, it’s immediately viable to the commander community. Even if it’s super niche or has a lack luster ability, someone would make a deck around it because they found it appealing. I do believe the amount of commander precons should be less frequent and not tied to as many other format themed sets, but again, any time there’s a legendary creature in the main set, that technically makes it “for commander players”.
Just make them legal. Ban and limit them if they cause problems, but don't force product that people can't play with into their packs. EDIT: I'm fine with reading, it annoys my friends when we play cardgames lol
Look, the reality is that Wizards of the Coast is a company and they respond to market pressure and what the customer wants. Commander is the most popular format, probably by a pretty wide margin, and one of the primary reasons it became popular is because your cards are always relevant. People got tired of constantly having to buy cards and with the increased release cadence that problem was seriously exacerbated.
@mooninites755 no they really don't, if they did we wouldn't be having a bunch of lame ass secret lairs that have done nothing but collect dust on numerous shelves of any LGS. The real reality is that WotC and Hasbro...more so Hasbro, is in the Market of Money. So they will pump out content and try to be "first". That is ALL EVERY COMPANY CARES ABOUT NOW!!! Not even that it's right or even useful. Just get it out and be the first to do so, so they can then copyright sue for damages.
I hate how there's multiple versions of a single card. It used to be the case that I can look at the card art and know exactly what it does, now I can't tell if it's even a Magic card.
Ya this product isn’t for you but don’t forget we’re power creeping everything and there’s gonna be new staples to chase and be aware of existing in your meta potentially
@Xoderfla The issue is that you're telling people to leave a space that they called home for years. These aren't complaints coming from people that are new and dont like MTG, we are players who have many memories of decades of great design and fun interesting gameplay. EDH existed just fine without Wizards pushing specialized products and many formats thrived during that time, but now look at the playerbase/metagames. Sure you can say "well get out if you dont like it," but that makes you the colonizer, the invader.
I mean, this is basically a core set. Basically, it's them printing the same Core Set every year without them having to actually print the core set. I think when they brought it back it should have been how it was pre 2010 with a core set every 2 years instead of every year
Im excited about foundations, but i also have some problems with it. I like the idea of having a good baseline of cards to make decks out of. But im worried they will forget they printed Omniscience and then print a pickle rick card in the rick and morty universes Beyond 2028 set that breaks standard. Foundations needs to have strong cards to build decks out of but not busted cards to warp the format. Busted cards sells the set better...
I am a vested commander player and i am sick of all of the commander product. With this constant push it pushes out the head space around older commanders. It had made putting together a new deck a nightmare since by the time im finalising a list i might as well wait for a later set since that card bolsters the deck to new heights. And with all of this it makes other people move on to new stuff making dialog about old stuff seem outdated. When the last deck tech on a 3 year old card was 3 years ago it's just moving too fast
There is a simple solution! MAKE COMMANDER THE NEW STANDARD FORMAT. MAKE STANDARD PLAY PODS OF 4-8 and get points in leagues and whatnot based on what place you got in the pod. Continue until you have the last 4 in a pod. #COMMANDER=STANDARD
More products, more mental fatigue. As a Commander player, you need to know what's in it to know if you want to engage in it. And its not like you're going to tell opponents not to play "new precon", "Aftermath" or "The Big Score" cards....
As someone who only plays commander I hate that they cater to me so much. It’s too much and too expensive. Commander was more fun in the beginning when you had to find niche cards for you deck but now I feel like I have to dredge through a mountain of staples to find the character of a deck. Too many legends now giving you card draw and ramp, engine and payoff, too many trip into infinite combos it makes it not worth playing. I refuse to give wizards money now all my commander decks are proxy’s.
Sounds like commander is the most popular format if it has infected every aspect of wizards release. I’m all for it. I left standard for commander. I’d rather just be able to make a deck with whatever I want. The one card restriction leads to creative synergies..instead of just relying on 8 cards x4 and 25 lands
so what im hearing is that jumpstart packs won't be entirety standard legal the same as they have always been. i feel obligated to point out that Jumpstart is its own format closely related to sealed. Starter Collection (deck builders toolkit 2.0) setting people up for how kitchen tables are more likely to be playing (aka commander) is fine. nobody is demanding that new players make commander decks from them. these aren't products for me, the established player, but are instead some of the all-time best hits for new player experience.
Standard rotates less than modern, like you said. Standard was why I joined and MH3 was why I left competitive mtg. I'm getting back into Standard now.
Commander precons are extremely desirable products to the people who play Commander. They're safer surefire products for their demographics than packs are for constructed players. The value for players and WotC are obviously higher than any preconstructed product released before. WotC needs to incentivize people to play constructed formats for sure but I'm not sure anyone would be happy killing the golden goose to make it happen. Players wouldn't be happy, stores wouldn't be happy, and WotC wouldn't be happy.
I wish they released less commander stuff purely cuz it makes me not wanna upgrade or modernize my decks. Like I like finding fun new cards to replace old ones, but when there's atleast 100 potential cards and depending on how many decks you have, you might see upgrades or potential side grades every month
And now each commander product just feels throwaway, like how exciting is it when next month there's another commander deck! Why can't they just do brawl decks again, I think it's so cool how korvold or syr gwyn were standard, and therefore pioneer, legal.
Every set is for commander cus commander can us almost all the cards. I think it is a net positive that WOTC casts a wide net. Isn't it good when a standard or a commander player buys product they can both walk away with good cards to play with? I would hope the same for modern and pioneer as well.
You're dismissing the fact that making products specifically for commander ruins every format, including commander. How many cards designed for commander have fucked up other formats heavily? Off the top of my head I can think of Hogaak, Nadu, True-name, Uro, mind goblin, etc.
@notmrcrowley9757 I don't know about "ruined." It seems to me that most of these issues and problematic cards affect the top percentage of players. I think, in general, more cards being playable for more formats, and adding spice is good for the average player. in spite of the Nadu and Hogaaks of the world, I see more excitement when a set drops and the cards are good, can be added to a known deck, or can make a new deck. It really sucks when a set has almost no playable cards outside limited and commander. Commander is so popular because it not compeative, it's a format that depending on your pod, it may be rude or cringe to make an optimal deck or play powerful cards. You're incuraged to cut cards from your deck that may have an impact on the tables fun. On top of that I don't think "most" cards that have a home in commander are that good in 60 card it's more that broken cards can be broken in more than one format.
Standard cards are always legal in every other format so the fact they're tacking on extra cards for everything but standard is kinda irrelevant. New cards were coming anyway
It's easy to ignore products here and there if you're anything but a commander player. If you like commander, every set applies to you if you want it to. This is one reason I've never even stepped to commander. I don't like the overwhelming choices. It's beyond a functionally beneficial amount of choices. It's to the point where it's needlessly saturating. Modern/legacy still feels like I can hand select fine cards only good enough for my competitive formats. And I love that fine, more narrow selection. My choices feel more meaningful and impactful.
the amount of times i've watched Diamond players concede because they don't realize they can sacrifice a creature to pay Ygra's ward cost is insane to me. standard is a strange place for sure. I wish they would stop releasing so much damn removal though, topdeck control black is sooooo boringggg
I mean i don't really see the argument for getting upset that Special Guest cards are commander legal. Like if the Special Guest cards were all standard legal why even make them Special Guest cards. I feel there's more of a solid argument to be made on why the Jumpstart product is commander legal. that one i do agree is too much if this is a beginner product meant to introduce new players to standard they should be able to grav 2 Jumpstart packs shuffle them together and hava a standard deck like randomized pre cons. They dont have to be super powerful or meta just playable
WoTC doesn’t care about format or game health if it comes at the expense of sales. Delayed bans for new cards, powercreep, and product overload are all bad to various degrees for the game, but they help sales.
you confused the "new raccoon commander from bloomburrow". He doesnt do anything with enchantments and junk thats the precon bloomburrow Commander Bello and Not the raccoon commander. The raccoon commander from bloomburrow IS Muerra, He is a raccoon tribal support Commander. Bello does nothing with raccoons
If I were to ever think twice about making a wish, it would be for a beloved format to be more popular. Wizards is allergic to making good decisions when pushing a format, and I would absolutely hate to see a repeat of Commander in something I love like Pauper or PEDH.
"We have the gathering, but we are losing the Magic" is quite profound. I am at a point where I actively dislike current-day Magic, but I will still play it if it enables social interactions. It is so easy to find pick-up games of Commander with strangers. When the next 4-player gaming fad comes along I can't wait to drop this game like a bad habit.
wtf... although I enjoy EDH, I realize I've reached the point that I'm buying the new commander decks SOLELY to possess them for the fact there are so many cards that aren't printed elsewhere... In addition, I'm kind of burned out from Commander as a genre because it is EVERYWHERE! I have moved on to standard and pioneer for the most part, but even then, there hasn't been enough buzz in my area to play those formats at a weekly even due to lack of participants...
Everything was already for commander as an eternal format. Players are sick of fatigue, sick of commander design in standard and tacked on to modern, etc.
You gotta get the views, they gotta get the sales. I get it, getting commander slotted into each set is getting annoying but from their standpoint, what's the largest audience? What will sell the most packs? WOTC has gotta carry the burden of Hasbro. Worrying about how X standard set impacts Y eternal set has been an issue since eternal formats were established. In one of your previous videos you were hyped at how mill got 'support' with Tasha's Hideous Laughter, but that's just a strong mill card that was printed in standard. Powerful, pushed cards from modern/standard have bled into vintage/legacy for years, the same with powerful cards from standard appear in modern and now pioneer. In regards to standard not rotating I personally think that 4-5 years (its mid 2024 and they stated at least until 2029) is better longevity/return on investment (hobby dollars) than previous 'core' sets that were every other year or even annually.
Vote with your wallet folks, if you want change convince your fellow Whale to spend into older sets or a different game. Im into one piece atm (best decision ever)
It's an standard set, this has happened for years, I am numb for this. Besides playing most of my time on MtgArena, I dodge many of those because normaly just a few of them come to Arena. Calm down, Jumpstart standard products were denounced as phony because there weren't included cards reprints nor powerfull enough card to avoid mess with standards. So they decided 2 axis, for one that it helps to learn to play with powerful cards as the original Jumpstart did (not legal on MOdern cards but legal for the rest of eternal formats like this), and then the low level introductory products with standard level cards.
If it wasn't for about 90% of my friendgroup I would've left this sinking ship years ago. Funny how a card game keeps you kind of hostage in that manner when Magic is the thing that keeps friendships together. I'm so truly tired of this game..
You answered your own question. The fact that if you make edh videos you get more views, shows why wotc adds commander to everything. They make more money! If people change their spending habits then wotc will change how they print products.
Tolarian Community College, the largest MTG TH-cam channel by subscriber numbers, has pretty much completely switched over to commander content once he found out that this is what brings in views. The channels that blew up during lockdown were all commander focused. We can dislike it as much as we want, but it is just the truth that commander is what the biggest part of the community wants.
Standard was made to rotate to be the gateway for players to play competitive magic, the only reason people piss and moan is some cards are expensive due to standard and not other formats. But if standard keeps getting cards pumped into it, some are gonna lose value anyways. We as a community need to stop pressuring WOTC to print us money and pressure them to actually playtest shit and be honest with us
I'd agree if the precon products were getting worse but they're not. Ever since Lost Caverns of Ixalan the precons have been getting noticeably better and more feature complete. If you had asked me back around March of the Machine I'd agree completely.
@@geek593 idk land base is for 99% of pre cons complete trash. There is legit 0 reason to gatekeep the better lands for other product. Magic is the only tcg that has expensive energy system. Every other tcg, the energy system is either free or so cheap it doesnt matter. Of course there are foil or limited releases etc.
@@tehkuzio The only way I see lands getting substantially better in precons is Bond lands or Cycle Triomes. Maybe Surveils or a single Shock if they're really desperate for reprint value. But they've been doing a better job of adding in conditional tap lands instead of filling tricolor precons with basics and taps.
Yeah breath the magic copium my guy. There is no reason that any land should be above 10+ $/€ unless its full art/ foil / special version Like I already said no tcg does that. No one is going to be excited about playing a fetch land or shock land. Its the creature or enchantment or artifact etc. that players are hyped about.
@tehkuzio is it though? When's the last time you had mana problems playing a 3 or 2 color modern precon? 5 color sure, that's a mess. But 3 color mana bases in precons have not given me any issues casting all colors. With the last 3 color precon I played being the knight deck.
It's commander everything all commander all the time every product don't you know. It's like 90 percent of wizards money so it must be in everything because they need that money
As a commander player Wotc has went crazy with Commander, what once was a format described as "battleship magic" has now become the over pushed flagship.
This isn’t about the commander products it’s about the product fatigue. When it used to be 4 sets a year it was totally fine and welcome to have commander products with every set release. And tbh, the “everything is for commander players” will always be a thing… it’s the only true eternal format that isn’t legacy. If there were no commander decks then The base sets would be picked and pulled at for commander playable cards like they used to be. Modern has been pushed and is now rotating because of it, deal with it, not a commander issue. Standard has a foundation set in a attempt to save it from its slow death, not a issue because of commander. I think you’re using commander as a scape goat to skirt around the fact that modern magic card design “FIRE” and continual product releases are the issue, not commander.
I've been trying for years and for the life of me can't figure out what the appeal of playing commander is. I don't get why so many people play it. It feels so restrictive and uninteresting for it to be this popular. And the casual multiplayer aspect is absolutely not unique to it so I really can't see why people prefer it to any of the other casual multiplayer alternatives...
Sorry but... maybe this set isnt only for standard? The set is called FOUNDATIONS because it simbolize what the backbone of magic should be. Its a "guideline" for what base magic is, and so it cathers for lots of format? Because standard isnt the only format out here. Sometimes people are just blinded by bias, and i understand. I understand that wotf isnt making really great decisions and is focusing a tad too much on commander, but let them cook with this set.
And no, giving more years to the set isnt a way to make standard into a non rotating format. I come from Heartstone, and there is a set, the base set, that hardly ever rotates. The base set is literally the BASE for the game, a guideline on what the classes should do or shouldnt. Same for FOUNDATIONS... its not really that hard
MTG players can't read now? The "Starter Collection" ( a box with a bunch of starter stuff in it ) is what will have 3 Commander cards in it... Not the standard set. Foundations Jumpstart and Foundations Special Guests are different sets that have commander cards in it... not the standard set. Its right there on the page, you can even google search to get a TLDR. This guy is trying to convince y'all to hate the game as much as he does. Must suck to hate something so much but are forced to make a living off of it.
This is not a battle you are gonna win, pal. Apologize and we will consider appointing you into the Committee. Fail to do so and we will crush you courtesy of the "Committee for acceptable mill gameplay for casual gaming enjoyment". You have been warned.
Sry not trying to hate on ya this just kinda comes across as a competitive player mad that the competitive side of the game they play isnt the popular side. The comment at the start about having to read and reread new cards also came across bad because thats always been a thing with magic its a game that has a lot of cards in it that keeps increasing each year just because u dont instantly know what a card is and what all its interactions are isnt a bad thing.
The issue is that you have to CONSTANTLY do this every time you play basically. The amount of product being pushed out is insane and cards have been getting more complicated overall
@cherry9787 that's been a normal thing for magic since it's first set that introduced new cards. Yes I agree the amount has grown by a ton in recent years makeing it much more a common issue then it used to be but again it's not a new issue or an issue that will ever go away.
This extreme focus on Commander is just getting on my nerves. Universe Beyond is also just endlessly ridiculous and gives the impression that WOTC thinks their own IP is crap (which is understandable with Karlov and Outlaws in mind) but that goes hand in hand with Commander players, because I feel they are the driving force behind Universe Beyond products. I'm also already at the point where I've only played 2 sets this year and only because the flavor of the design appealed to me. But the problem is not just that every damn set comes with Commander products, but mostly half the set is designed for Commander and nowadays every damn set has to contain 50+ legendary creatures. Furthermore, WOTC has primarily killed of constructed formats with this shitty design and the complete ignoring of entry-level products for these constructed formats. After all, how can someone be introduced to something that is ignored and even hated by the creators? I'm at this point completely out of "Modern Magic" and I primarily play pre-modern, old school or draft older sets.
GIVE ME CONSTRUCTED PRECONS SO I CAN ONBOARD MY FRIENDS TO THE GAME WITHOUT PLAYING A 2 HOUR BOARDGAME!! I'm sick and tired of having to push people to either $200-$750 meta decks or the 2/3year ~$50 old challenger decks that aren't great at this point in the format's lifecycle.
It's pretty sad because I've been a commander player for years, and I love watching Modern content, but Modern has looked like a chaotic shit-show ever since MH2 and it kills my interest in trying the format
It’s not gunna stop until people stop shilling out money for overpriced commander product. I’ve played magic for like 12 years now. I transitioned to playing primarily edh like 7 years ago now. Its starting to wear me down with all these new players and the power creeped commander product flood. I miss when it was just a few of the more veteran players at the LGS and you had to really scan for commander cards hiding in standard sets. It went from updating my decks with a handful of new cards printed over a handful of sets. Now it’s worse than Standard used to be, which is why i ditched standard. It also seems to have attracted a bunch of cry babies to the format who want to rule 0 half the win conditions out of the format because “they dont find it fun”. Then go play a format where that kind of stuff doesnt exist. I just shamelessly run stuff i know will put a sour taste in newer players mouths and then tell them to go give standard or pioneer a try. I wish everything didnt have to be for everybody anymore.
I see a lot of comments that blame Commander and say they don't like it. And here is my unpopular opinion: I like Commander/EDH, because it is a slower format, designed to sit down and relax along with a cold one. I tried to get into Pauper and ending the game in the third round is something I extremely dislike and is the reason why I dislike YGO. At the same time I don't want to invest more and more and more money into the deck just to end up facing literally seven same decks because they are the best in meta, or that my favorite deck will rotate out and I won't have the similar style deck. I used to do drafts until LGS around me tripled their prices while I just wanted to draft cards, play and go home, and it's been a long time since I went to any FMN because of that: pricing. To play EDH you can spend $10 and go into your pod without issues, even beat people with more expensive decks if you had an unorthodox idea. I also feel that a lot of comments come from people who like to end things quickly and cannot focus on a single game for more than 30 minutes, a byproduct of TikTok and "fast dopamine rush" watching short videos, leading into extremely short attention span. Commander is about the journey, not the goal itself.
Non issue, buy singles That is it, buy singles and it literally doesn't affect you It really feels like every time I hear magic players complaining it is just non issues, or is it just this guy being negative?
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I'm exhausted by the constant deluge of commander and commander products, it feels like most things are designed for it at this point
Literally, and designing for commander is just making commander worse and worse
I don't think it's making commander worse, commander wasn't that good to begin with, and the best cards in it were incredibly toxic. Printing cards for it has just closed the gap between the best cards and the cards that are accessible.
Everything is designed for commander. Modern, standard, legacy have all been killed to make the worst format in the game more profitable.
Facts, stop trying to innovate a game that's ALREADY THERE!!!
You don't say?
My two cents as someone who primarily plays Commander but has dabbled in constructed? wotc have made pretty clear that foundations is a product for *beginners,* and so having Commander product along with that set's release is better for onboarding beginners, since they'll more likely be running into other commander players.
Yeah, I agree that having a set designed for beginners should have commander product alongside it, commander was how I got into the game and I love it still, while also appreciating other formats
Dawg. Not everything needs to lead you to commander. I wanted a product to lead you to standard.....ya know the previous main format of MTG.....plus you get 100 precons a year....you needed more?...
My brother in Christ, every single MTG product has a commander product running alongside it now. Get your head out of your ass
@@koolaiddude7685894 The problem with leading people to standard is that it's inherently temporary (and that it's not as popular, but that's not particularly relevant.) If someone starts playing Magic and they build a standard deck, after a while the cards rotate and they're left with a deck they can't play anymore. As a beginner, that's a rough thing to go through (it happened to me with Pokemon when I used to play that.) Not to mention that any "Standard Precon" would eventually not be legal in standard anymore, which would likely confuse people. Foundations could very well be a good path to getting people into standard by being a pool of known cards that will stick around for a lot longer, but time will tell. As for the precons argument, I'll never bemoan having an accessible pick up and play product, although they should absolutely support more formats.
@@khub5660 Yeah, that's been the status quo for years, so what's the problem? Commander is popular, Hasbro sees that Commander makes hella money, WOTC makes more Commander product, both to make money and to give the playerbase what they want. Nobody's forcing you to play Commander or interact with Commander-only cards, just like no one's forcing you to play Magic to begin with
I was introduced to magic through commander last year, and it’s still how I primarily engage with the game. Your commander shorts led me to watch your constructed content and it has given me a new appreciation for the game.
I play commander when I want to hang out with friends, I play arena when I want to play magic
Arena is even less magic than commander is
Having cards legal in Standard for 5+ years with Foundations is equivalent to reprinting them over time in sets that are present at any point in time in a Standard rotation (e.g., reprint them every
Also only "Select Foundation cards included in the Starter Collection" will be for Commander only - that means only a small subset and only in a specific product in the Foundations lineup. That's great, those will be Commander staples and will further increase accessibility to them - sorry but what's not to like about it?
Commander was an absolute boon to WotC execs, but it was most definitely a damaging presence to Magic as a whole. MtG was kept up for 25+ years on the back of competitive play, and EDH has all but decimated that in most markets that are not super centralized and major cities.
I'm not sure I'm convinced of that. I can tangentially agree that for 25 years magic was built on its competitive community, but once they stopped focusing in that and focusing on the casual one instead they exploded in popularity
EDH isn't the issue. WoTC noticing it and focusing on it with extreme tunnel vision is the issue.
Blaming Commander for what WOTC does is like blaming the victim for something the abuser has done to them.
Commander is no longer a niche format. It's taken the entire game hostage. For many places, it's play EDH or don't play MTG at all.
At this point I wonder why they don't just drop Standard.
Its a way for wotc to constantly print new set and make them some what relevant
Standard is just reprints for commander and new staples for modern anyway maybe a fun draft format if you're lucky
it is necessary
I relate so much with the product fatigue and missing the time before FIRE design and made-for-commander.
However it has been like 5 years since commander started to be the forefront of Magic with sets like throne of eldraine.
In some ways, I think everything including commander cards everywhere is good for the game. The majority casual audience gets to buy toys that fund the hobby and competitive environment that some of us still want. If Foundations including non-standard legal cards is what the game needs for balance while still selling, then I think it's a fair compromise.
My proposed solution to "selling commander in standard" was to make The List slot be non-standard cards to give other players a reason to buy. And that's essentially what they've done here
I guess only time will tell if they've learned a lesson from rotating modern and killing standard. My hopes are that they leave Pioneer alone as a successor to Modern, and that Foundations becomes something like the basic cards in Hearthstone or Shadowverse. (like a core set that doesn't rotate while everything else does)
Man, Core set 2024 is named funny
@@nathanieldewalt1707 yeah you mean core set 2024-2029, thats a mouthfull
I wish commander wasn’t a thing
I don't magic the gathering to become like yugioh i want rotation in a format.
You will have rotation: it's called _power creep_
*Say goodbye to your 4/6-months-old deck*
There's no way it gets as bad as Yugioh. Foundations just seems like it's taking the place of old core sets and since those sold poorly and Jumpstart which didn't pivot new players into Standard. Yugioh is a runaway freight train of power creep and the conductor snapped off the emergency brake to make sure the ride never ends. The game system itself is also not self-limiting at all due to having no deck restrictions or resources so when they printed the first archetypes that could go +1 in card advantage all limits were gone and balance snapped in half.
I love how we are just now talking about commander product being attached to standard sets when that has always been the case for who knows how long?
I really like that huge volume of commaders tbh. Like it feels like everyone in you local community has their commander. Like we have this guy who play kinnan, some kaalia player, some bello, a korvold 2, a god damn gimbal player, like everyone has their own main.
I played modern FNM at my lgs for year, but stopped around Khan of Tarkir when college started getting tough. When I returned last year I was repulsed by the "trashification" of the game. Its like a fortnite project manager bought the MTG ip and just started pumping out thoughtless product tie-ins that dilute the integrity of all formats
Three set blocks and actually fun times. Yeah I also remember those.
Pretty much exactly what happened
@@KazDM Commanderism.
When I hear someone say their content is about Modern and not really Commander: Congrats, you just earned a subscriber.
I really only play commander apart from the odd draft or prerelease. I like looking at spoilers to see what cards might fit well in my decks or what legendaries might be cool to build, but the sheer number of sets being released nowadays can make this a bit exhausting and make me feel like I'm trying to keep up with the Joneses. There's already 27K legal cards in the format, we can go a set or two without pushed cards.
Is there ever going to come a day when they run out of functionality unique things to make with the rapid release of sets.
If they ever run out of ideas that's when they'll introduce a sixth mana color
Thats what powercreep is for! Just reprint old cards with bigger numbers.
Bro they've run out of ideas years ago lol
They have 2 sided cards with lands on both sides now lmao
@@hatimzeineddine8723 purple!!!!!!!!!!
@@hatimzeineddine8723they already did. They made colorless it's own mana symbol
Commander is now the equal attention cake skit from family guy.
2:00, yea that part. Im new to magic as of this year, play casual commander, my friends and i try to play with 4 but often have 5 or 6 player games and the norm is for them to last 4+ hours. Longest was 9 hours haha
In constructed, if I really need to read the opponents cards which does not happen often then I read it. But in commander, I just don’t care because on reading the new cards from pre cons because I don’t think that commander is not as fun as every constructed format.
Started with modern and commander, then exclusively commander shortly after as that all that was supported across all lgs's in the area. I played arena tho. Got into pioneer a bit, but again still no support. And then BAM, started playing standard with blomburrow and am so excited for 60card formats. Commander is cool, but some people don't get to know how to play as there's so many cards and targets and 4 players and 120 life, it's a lot to learn on. 60(really like 12 cards and several copies of it) vs 100 cards, and major inconsistencies in a game, and learning steps and phases and removal, and building your own decks to figure all of that out, in a rapid fire game, vs a 4 hour game where people bitch when they get attacked 2 turns in a row. It's a game where I'm supposed to kill you, there's just so much to love for commander, but damn they're making so much to hate, with the products and the players mentalities now.
You have fantastic points here. But in my honest opinion, as a solely commander player, I love every set having precons attached to them, weather its 2 or 4 or 5 precons, it puts more stuff out there for me to build or even include in what ive built. I dont play modern or standard, and I rarely play pauper because I know where my skillset is. EDH and cEDH where I can try and break things and brew and I love it. Im horrible at building constructed decks for Modern or Standard and honestly, I also think those formats are very toxic. I pre releass occasionally but again im even worse at building a deck in a time constraint.
Again you have great points, and Honestly I agree foundations should only be full of standard legal cards and the Special Guests that arent standard legal. But as a commander player, every new set excites me for what cards are going to be good in Commander. Thats just my opinion.
commander was better when we had to take the scraps from modern standard and legacy, now i just feel to full to even be excited about anything new
I gave up reading cards in edh years ago. Right now I just ask "do I need to remove it?" And if they say yes I cast a removal spell.
Otherwise I just look at my phone during the 30 minutes my opponents are taking moving around their little counters and drawing stuff. Commander is really a boring game.
I enjoy playing brawl and this gives direct support for it that they haven’t given since the original eldraine.
I definitely understand the “commander is everywhere” thing as nearly every set now has a batch of commander pre cons to go along with it. I wish Modern Horizons 3 didn’t have commander sets. I feel certain sets that are intended to be designed for other formats shouldn’t have commander decks tied to them.
However, Foundations is meant to be an introductory set to Magic. Everything you need to teach new players young or old the game you enjoy. Commander and Standard are very popular formats, so it makes sense to include them both for this release in my opinion.
The whole “this set is for commander players” makes me laugh a bit. Let’s say MH3 didn’t have pre cons associated with it. There still would have been the same legendary creatures in the main set regardless. Wherever there is a legendary creature printed, it’s immediately viable to the commander community. Even if it’s super niche or has a lack luster ability, someone would make a deck around it because they found it appealing.
I do believe the amount of commander precons should be less frequent and not tied to as many other format themed sets, but again, any time there’s a legendary creature in the main set, that technically makes it “for commander players”.
Just make them legal. Ban and limit them if they cause problems, but don't force product that people can't play with into their packs.
EDIT: I'm fine with reading, it annoys my friends when we play cardgames lol
I like foundations, make more of these sets
Look, the reality is that Wizards of the Coast is a company and they respond to market pressure and what the customer wants. Commander is the most popular format, probably by a pretty wide margin, and one of the primary reasons it became popular is because your cards are always relevant. People got tired of constantly having to buy cards and with the increased release cadence that problem was seriously exacerbated.
@mooninites755 no they really don't, if they did we wouldn't be having a bunch of lame ass secret lairs that have done nothing but collect dust on numerous shelves of any LGS. The real reality is that WotC and Hasbro...more so Hasbro, is in the Market of Money. So they will pump out content and try to be "first". That is ALL EVERY COMPANY CARES ABOUT NOW!!! Not even that it's right or even useful. Just get it out and be the first to do so, so they can then copyright sue for damages.
I hate how there's multiple versions of a single card. It used to be the case that I can look at the card art and know exactly what it does, now I can't tell if it's even a Magic card.
Ya this product isn’t for you but don’t forget we’re power creeping everything and there’s gonna be new staples to chase and be aware of existing in your meta potentially
Imo this will pump the single cards market even higher.
Ironically wish they wouldn’t print specifically for commander to make commander deck building more fun.
Me acting like I'm fucking surprised In the absolute slightest that Commander is smothering Magic entirely. Nope couldn't be me 💁
Not surprised at all, Commander it THE FORMAT.
Here's a crazy idea. If it has a black border and within the time limitations for standard, it would be legal.
@Xoderfla The issue is that you're telling people to leave a space that they called home for years. These aren't complaints coming from people that are new and dont like MTG, we are players who have many memories of decades of great design and fun interesting gameplay.
EDH existed just fine without Wizards pushing specialized products and many formats thrived during that time, but now look at the playerbase/metagames. Sure you can say "well get out if you dont like it," but that makes you the colonizer, the invader.
I mean, this is basically a core set. Basically, it's them printing the same Core Set every year without them having to actually print the core set. I think when they brought it back it should have been how it was pre 2010 with a core set every 2 years instead of every year
"if you cant make standard stick, you stick standard to everything." Every format is and has been rotating on a almost constant basis since 2019-20.
Im excited about foundations, but i also have some problems with it. I like the idea of having a good baseline of cards to make decks out of. But im worried they will forget they printed Omniscience and then print a pickle rick card in the rick and morty universes Beyond 2028 set that breaks standard.
Foundations needs to have strong cards to build decks out of but not busted cards to warp the format. Busted cards sells the set better...
I am a vested commander player and i am sick of all of the commander product. With this constant push it pushes out the head space around older commanders. It had made putting together a new deck a nightmare since by the time im finalising a list i might as well wait for a later set since that card bolsters the deck to new heights.
And with all of this it makes other people move on to new stuff making dialog about old stuff seem outdated. When the last deck tech on a 3 year old card was 3 years ago it's just moving too fast
Is this Pioneer Horizon?
Standard horizon. With pioneer being to standard what legacy is to modern.
now im waiting for pauper precon
There is a simple solution! MAKE COMMANDER THE NEW STANDARD FORMAT. MAKE STANDARD PLAY PODS OF 4-8 and get points in leagues and whatnot based on what place you got in the pod. Continue until you have the last 4 in a pod. #COMMANDER=STANDARD
This sounds horrible
More products, more mental fatigue. As a Commander player, you need to know what's in it to know if you want to engage in it. And its not like you're going to tell opponents not to play "new precon", "Aftermath" or "The Big Score" cards....
As someone who only plays commander I hate that they cater to me so much. It’s too much and too expensive. Commander was more fun in the beginning when you had to find niche cards for you deck but now I feel like I have to dredge through a mountain of staples to find the character of a deck. Too many legends now giving you card draw and ramp, engine and payoff, too many trip into infinite combos it makes it not worth playing. I refuse to give wizards money now all my commander decks are proxy’s.
Foundations to be legal for 5 years in standard sounds good if they go back to a 2 year rotation instead of 3 for other sets
Sounds like commander is the most popular format if it has infected every aspect of wizards release. I’m all for it. I left standard for commander. I’d rather just be able to make a deck with whatever I want. The one card restriction leads to creative synergies..instead of just relying on 8 cards x4 and 25 lands
Exactly why I started playing competitive constructive formats. There’s wayyy to much commander products. It’s getting stale.
so what im hearing is that jumpstart packs won't be entirety standard legal the same as they have always been.
i feel obligated to point out that Jumpstart is its own format closely related to sealed.
Starter Collection (deck builders toolkit 2.0) setting people up for how kitchen tables are more likely to be playing (aka commander) is fine. nobody is demanding that new players make commander decks from them.
these aren't products for me, the established player, but are instead some of the all-time best hits for new player experience.
Standard rotates less than modern, like you said. Standard was why I joined and MH3 was why I left competitive mtg. I'm getting back into Standard now.
Commander precons are extremely desirable products to the people who play Commander. They're safer surefire products for their demographics than packs are for constructed players. The value for players and WotC are obviously higher than any preconstructed product released before. WotC needs to incentivize people to play constructed formats for sure but I'm not sure anyone would be happy killing the golden goose to make it happen. Players wouldn't be happy, stores wouldn't be happy, and WotC wouldn't be happy.
I wish they released less commander stuff purely cuz it makes me not wanna upgrade or modernize my decks.
Like I like finding fun new cards to replace old ones, but when there's atleast 100 potential cards and depending on how many decks you have, you might see upgrades or potential side grades every month
And now each commander product just feels throwaway, like how exciting is it when next month there's another commander deck!
Why can't they just do brawl decks again, I think it's so cool how korvold or syr gwyn were standard, and therefore pioneer, legal.
Every set is for commander cus commander can us almost all the cards. I think it is a net positive that WOTC casts a wide net. Isn't it good when a standard or a commander player buys product they can both walk away with good cards to play with? I would hope the same for modern and pioneer as well.
You're dismissing the fact that making products specifically for commander ruins every format, including commander. How many cards designed for commander have fucked up other formats heavily? Off the top of my head I can think of Hogaak, Nadu, True-name, Uro, mind goblin, etc.
@notmrcrowley9757 I don't know about "ruined." It seems to me that most of these issues and problematic cards affect the top percentage of players. I think, in general, more cards being playable for more formats, and adding spice is good for the average player. in spite of the Nadu and Hogaaks of the world, I see more excitement when a set drops and the cards are good, can be added to a known deck, or can make a new deck. It really sucks when a set has almost no playable cards outside limited and commander.
Commander is so popular because it not compeative, it's a format that depending on your pod, it may be rude or cringe to make an optimal deck or play powerful cards. You're incuraged to cut cards from your deck that may have an impact on the tables fun. On top of that I don't think "most" cards that have a home in commander are that good in 60 card it's more that broken cards can be broken in more than one format.
Commander 2016 decks were the peak imo
Standard cards are always legal in every other format so the fact they're tacking on extra cards for everything but standard is kinda irrelevant. New cards were coming anyway
It's easy to ignore products here and there if you're anything but a commander player. If you like commander, every set applies to you if you want it to. This is one reason I've never even stepped to commander. I don't like the overwhelming choices. It's beyond a functionally beneficial amount of choices. It's to the point where it's needlessly saturating.
Modern/legacy still feels like I can hand select fine cards only good enough for my competitive formats. And I love that fine, more narrow selection. My choices feel more meaningful and impactful.
the amount of times i've watched Diamond players concede because they don't realize they can sacrifice a creature to pay Ygra's ward cost is insane to me. standard is a strange place for sure.
I wish they would stop releasing so much damn removal though, topdeck control black is sooooo boringggg
People forget about both Marvel and Final Fantasy sets
I only play edh. I can play any format but this is what i like. If u dont like making edh content ill watch someone else who does 🤷🏾♂️.
Standard rotating slower is also probably the worst call. People are excited about standard right now. Why? IT JUST ROTATED.
I mean i don't really see the argument for getting upset that Special Guest cards are commander legal. Like if the Special Guest cards were all standard legal why even make them Special Guest cards. I feel there's more of a solid argument to be made on why the Jumpstart product is commander legal. that one i do agree is too much if this is a beginner product meant to introduce new players to standard they should be able to grav 2 Jumpstart packs shuffle them together and hava a standard deck like randomized pre cons. They dont have to be super powerful or meta just playable
WoTC doesn’t care about format or game health if it comes at the expense of sales. Delayed bans for new cards, powercreep, and product overload are all bad to various degrees for the game, but they help sales.
CEDH is the answer.
@@BarrenIamninja preeeeaaacchh
@@BarrenIamninja someone said, for real though facts
Magic is a progressive game. Ever changing. Conservatives beware.
you confused the "new raccoon commander from bloomburrow". He doesnt do anything with enchantments and junk thats the precon bloomburrow Commander Bello and Not the raccoon commander. The raccoon commander from bloomburrow IS Muerra, He is a raccoon tribal support Commander. Bello does nothing with raccoons
If I were to ever think twice about making a wish, it would be for a beloved format to be more popular. Wizards is allergic to making good decisions when pushing a format, and I would absolutely hate to see a repeat of Commander in something I love like Pauper or PEDH.
"We have the gathering, but we are losing the Magic" is quite profound. I am at a point where I actively dislike current-day Magic, but I will still play it if it enables social interactions. It is so easy to find pick-up games of Commander with strangers. When the next 4-player gaming fad comes along I can't wait to drop this game like a bad habit.
wtf... although I enjoy EDH, I realize I've reached the point that I'm buying the new commander decks SOLELY to possess them for the fact there are so many cards that aren't printed elsewhere... In addition, I'm kind of burned out from Commander as a genre because it is EVERYWHERE! I have moved on to standard and pioneer for the most part, but even then, there hasn't been enough buzz in my area to play those formats at a weekly even due to lack of participants...
Everything was already for commander as an eternal format. Players are sick of fatigue, sick of commander design in standard and tacked on to modern, etc.
You gotta get the views, they gotta get the sales. I get it, getting commander slotted into each set is getting annoying but from their standpoint, what's the largest audience? What will sell the most packs? WOTC has gotta carry the burden of Hasbro. Worrying about how X standard set impacts Y eternal set has been an issue since eternal formats were established. In one of your previous videos you were hyped at how mill got 'support' with Tasha's Hideous Laughter, but that's just a strong mill card that was printed in standard. Powerful, pushed cards from modern/standard have bled into vintage/legacy for years, the same with powerful cards from standard appear in modern and now pioneer. In regards to standard not rotating I personally think that 4-5 years (its mid 2024 and they stated at least until 2029) is better longevity/return on investment (hobby dollars) than previous 'core' sets that were every other year or even annually.
Vote with your wallet folks, if you want change convince your fellow Whale to spend into older sets or a different game. Im into one piece atm (best decision ever)
It's an standard set, this has happened for years, I am numb for this. Besides playing most of my time on MtgArena, I dodge many of those because normaly just a few of them come to Arena.
Calm down, Jumpstart standard products were denounced as phony because there weren't included cards reprints nor powerfull enough card to avoid mess with standards. So they decided 2 axis, for one that it helps to learn to play with powerful cards as the original Jumpstart did (not legal on MOdern cards but legal for the rest of eternal formats like this), and then the low level introductory products with standard level cards.
I find it so pointless having specific EDH products in standard products.
If it wasn't for about 90% of my friendgroup I would've left this sinking ship years ago. Funny how a card game keeps you kind of hostage in that manner when Magic is the thing that keeps friendships together. I'm so truly tired of this game..
You answered your own question. The fact that if you make edh videos you get more views, shows why wotc adds commander to everything. They make more money! If people change their spending habits then wotc will change how they print products.
Tolarian Community College, the largest MTG TH-cam channel by subscriber numbers, has pretty much completely switched over to commander content once he found out that this is what brings in views. The channels that blew up during lockdown were all commander focused. We can dislike it as much as we want, but it is just the truth that commander is what the biggest part of the community wants.
Standard was made to rotate to be the gateway for players to play competitive magic, the only reason people piss and moan is some cards are expensive due to standard and not other formats. But if standard keeps getting cards pumped into it, some are gonna lose value anyways. We as a community need to stop pressuring WOTC to print us money and pressure them to actually playtest shit and be honest with us
I'm mainly a commander player and I think its too much product for commander. also the format is so pushed
I'd agree if the precon products were getting worse but they're not. Ever since Lost Caverns of Ixalan the precons have been getting noticeably better and more feature complete. If you had asked me back around March of the Machine I'd agree completely.
@@geek593 idk land base is for 99% of pre cons complete trash. There is legit 0 reason to gatekeep the better lands for other product.
Magic is the only tcg that has expensive energy system. Every other tcg, the energy system is either free or so cheap it doesnt matter. Of course there are foil or limited releases etc.
@@tehkuzio The only way I see lands getting substantially better in precons is Bond lands or Cycle Triomes. Maybe Surveils or a single Shock if they're really desperate for reprint value. But they've been doing a better job of adding in conditional tap lands instead of filling tricolor precons with basics and taps.
Yeah breath the magic copium my guy. There is no reason that any land should be above 10+ $/€ unless its full art/ foil / special version
Like I already said no tcg does that.
No one is going to be excited about playing a fetch land or shock land. Its the creature or enchantment or artifact etc. that players are hyped about.
@tehkuzio is it though? When's the last time you had mana problems playing a 3 or 2 color modern precon? 5 color sure, that's a mess. But 3 color mana bases in precons have not given me any issues casting all colors. With the last 3 color precon I played being the knight deck.
It's commander everything all commander all the time every product don't you know. It's like 90 percent of wizards money so it must be in everything because they need that money
As a commander player Wotc has went crazy with Commander, what once was a format described as "battleship magic" has now become the over pushed flagship.
@@taylors1369 what's wrong? You don't want to eat your cake now?
I mean they're trying to sell product, I don't get the negativity. If people keep buying commander they're gonna keep making it.
I was hoping this was just a late April fools joke...
This isn’t about the commander products it’s about the product fatigue. When it used to be 4 sets a year it was totally fine and welcome to have commander products with every set release. And tbh, the “everything is for commander players” will always be a thing… it’s the only true eternal format that isn’t legacy. If there were no commander decks then The base sets would be picked and pulled at for commander playable cards like they used to be. Modern has been pushed and is now rotating because of it, deal with it, not a commander issue. Standard has a foundation set in a attempt to save it from its slow death, not a issue because of commander. I think you’re using commander as a scape goat to skirt around the fact that modern magic card design “FIRE” and continual product releases are the issue, not commander.
I am begging people. Come play Oathbreaker, it is such a better multiplayer format.
I've been trying for years and for the life of me can't figure out what the appeal of playing commander is. I don't get why so many people play it.
It feels so restrictive and uninteresting for it to be this popular. And the casual multiplayer aspect is absolutely not unique to it so I really can't see why people prefer it to any of the other casual multiplayer alternatives...
Sorry but... maybe this set isnt only for standard? The set is called FOUNDATIONS because it simbolize what the backbone of magic should be. Its a "guideline" for what base magic is, and so it cathers for lots of format? Because standard isnt the only format out here. Sometimes people are just blinded by bias, and i understand. I understand that wotf isnt making really great decisions and is focusing a tad too much on commander, but let them cook with this set.
And no, giving more years to the set isnt a way to make standard into a non rotating format. I come from Heartstone, and there is a set, the base set, that hardly ever rotates. The base set is literally the BASE for the game, a guideline on what the classes should do or shouldnt. Same for FOUNDATIONS... its not really that hard
MTG players can't read now? The "Starter Collection" ( a box with a bunch of starter stuff in it ) is what will have 3 Commander cards in it... Not the standard set. Foundations Jumpstart and Foundations Special Guests are different sets that have commander cards in it... not the standard set. Its right there on the page, you can even google search to get a TLDR. This guy is trying to convince y'all to hate the game as much as he does. Must suck to hate something so much but are forced to make a living off of it.
This is not a battle you are gonna win, pal. Apologize and we will consider appointing you into the Committee. Fail to do so and we will crush you courtesy of the "Committee for acceptable mill gameplay for casual gaming enjoyment". You have been warned.
I’ll quit modern if I see any super heroes are tournament legal.
get ready to quit
Sry not trying to hate on ya
this just kinda comes across as a competitive player mad that the competitive side of the game they play isnt the popular side.
The comment at the start about having to read and reread new cards also came across bad because thats always been a thing with magic its a game that has a lot of cards in it that keeps increasing each year just because u dont instantly know what a card is and what all its interactions are isnt a bad thing.
The issue is that you have to CONSTANTLY do this every time you play basically. The amount of product being pushed out is insane and cards have been getting more complicated overall
@cherry9787 that's been a normal thing for magic since it's first set that introduced new cards. Yes I agree the amount has grown by a ton in recent years makeing it much more a common issue then it used to be but again it's not a new issue or an issue that will ever go away.
This extreme focus on Commander is just getting on my nerves. Universe Beyond is also just endlessly ridiculous and gives the impression that WOTC thinks their own IP is crap (which is understandable with Karlov and Outlaws in mind) but that goes hand in hand with Commander players, because I feel they are the driving force behind Universe Beyond products.
I'm also already at the point where I've only played 2 sets this year and only because the flavor of the design appealed to me. But the problem is not just that every damn set comes with Commander products, but mostly half the set is designed for Commander and nowadays every damn set has to contain 50+ legendary creatures.
Furthermore, WOTC has primarily killed of constructed formats with this shitty design and the complete ignoring of entry-level products for these constructed formats.
After all, how can someone be introduced to something that is ignored and even hated by the creators?
I'm at this point completely out of "Modern Magic" and I primarily play pre-modern, old school or draft older sets.
bosh and roll is equivocating terms. product is not equivalent to set
Commander is the downfall of magic.
Seems to be carrying and growing the game but sure
GIVE ME CONSTRUCTED PRECONS SO I CAN ONBOARD MY FRIENDS TO THE GAME WITHOUT PLAYING A 2 HOUR BOARDGAME!! I'm sick and tired of having to push people to either $200-$750 meta decks or the 2/3year ~$50 old challenger decks that aren't great at this point in the format's lifecycle.
Constructed precons are financial failures
And they have never been well made
Better off getting them into constructed via pauper
@@V2ULTRAKill You're absolutely right, the trouble is that they showed way less interest in pauper than in pioneer simply because of companions.
@@ralphieboy97 show them some funny shit like walls combo
Sorry that you don't have an attention span to play for more than 30 minutes.
@@mugthemagpie3001bruh you comment this so much.
It's pretty sad because I've been a commander player for years, and I love watching Modern content, but Modern has looked like a chaotic shit-show ever since MH2 and it kills my interest in trying the format
It’s not gunna stop until people stop shilling out money for overpriced commander product. I’ve played magic for like 12 years now. I transitioned to playing primarily edh like 7 years ago now. Its starting to wear me down with all these new players and the power creeped commander product flood. I miss when it was just a few of the more veteran players at the LGS and you had to really scan for commander cards hiding in standard sets. It went from updating my decks with a handful of new cards printed over a handful of sets. Now it’s worse than Standard used to be, which is why i ditched standard. It also seems to have attracted a bunch of cry babies to the format who want to rule 0 half the win conditions out of the format because “they dont find it fun”. Then go play a format where that kind of stuff doesnt exist. I just shamelessly run stuff i know will put a sour taste in newer players mouths and then tell them to go give standard or pioneer a try. I wish everything didnt have to be for everybody anymore.
I see a lot of comments that blame Commander and say they don't like it. And here is my unpopular opinion: I like Commander/EDH, because it is a slower format, designed to sit down and relax along with a cold one. I tried to get into Pauper and ending the game in the third round is something I extremely dislike and is the reason why I dislike YGO. At the same time I don't want to invest more and more and more money into the deck just to end up facing literally seven same decks because they are the best in meta, or that my favorite deck will rotate out and I won't have the similar style deck. I used to do drafts until LGS around me tripled their prices while I just wanted to draft cards, play and go home, and it's been a long time since I went to any FMN because of that: pricing. To play EDH you can spend $10 and go into your pod without issues, even beat people with more expensive decks if you had an unorthodox idea.
I also feel that a lot of comments come from people who like to end things quickly and cannot focus on a single game for more than 30 minutes, a byproduct of TikTok and "fast dopamine rush" watching short videos, leading into extremely short attention span.
Commander is about the journey, not the goal itself.
Non issue, buy singles
That is it, buy singles and it literally doesn't affect you
It really feels like every time I hear magic players complaining it is just non issues, or is it just this guy being negative?
I love magic, that's why I don't play anymore.