@@cskvisionyeah, funny how everything is aggressive to the ruZZi’s. Every move is crossing their red line. But everything they do is in the name of peace and unity…. Yeah…. Oooook. Fascist scumbags.
We were never part of Russia my friend. What are you talking about. This monument should be removed because this era is over. Nothing to do with Russia so stfu.
ABSOLUTELY 💯 To call Russians or Soviets any but occupiers is an insult to the national sovereignty of all the nations of Eastern Europe. The correct place for Russians are in Russia!!!
They were liberators, not occupiers. Even in Bulgaria not all people support that evil action. Russian liberated bulgaria from nazism. Now, they are under control of global Amerian fascism. That's why they doing that, because Russia is advancing and in few years will be on Bulgarian border and nato is falling.
Some of the people were so deep in the propaganda, that the didn't realize it was to be preserved in a history museum, or were still criticizing the removal to museum as a bad thing. Seriously, getting burning themselves and their bad information.
Just for contex in Sofia there is not a single monument of this scale that in anyway represents Bulgarian history or important Bulgarian people and mind you this is right in the city center.
I personally think they should make a huge monument of han Asparuh, who is the father of our country, on that place. Or maybe a monument of han Krum. He contributed a lot for our history and I don't see any monument of him in Sofia which is a shame. Another thing they can do is to make another monument for 1300 years of existence of Bulgaria because the previous one was also dangerous communist relic that was dangerous and dismantled.
@@nataliiateteruk585 I agree but both parties should want to participate. For example, Bulgaria had an extremely brutal and very bloody history with Greece that lasted for more than a millenium. Now we're friends with the Greeks because both Bulgarians and Greeks wanted and want to participate in such friendship. We have business together, we are in the same union, our people go to Greece for vacation and Greeks come here to study. It makes me happy because I personally like Greece a lot. I have been there countless times and have studied their language and culture for more than 10 years now. Hope soon I can actually move there because I really like that country. It would be cool if we could be friends with all our neighbors in the Balkans but this doesn't depend only on us. They have to want to be our friends too because otherwise it becomes bullying which results to bloody conflicts that we have seen in the past such as the Yugoslav wars in the '90s.
@stef_naste This your take is very humble and human and ochen nice to bewitness. Hopefully the Bosnia and Serbia can become part ofbtheb Union in Europe as well.
That's the problem, ruzzia DO thing is their business; ruzzians think they have all the rights to intervene and dictate the lives not just of the former soviet states, but of all territories that had a presence of soviet boots. And that's from several ruzzians in diverse forums, social networks, etc.
@@nobbynobbs8182I can talk to you with a much older account, do you enjoy it? And what does communist state that was founded by a man who loathed russia has to do with "russian imperialism"?
@@SimplyMartin #5.4 on the list of USSR/Russian military invasions and occupations: 1 Poland (1939-1956) 2 Baltic states (1940-1991) 3 Finnish territories (1940) 4 Bessarabia and Northern Bukovina (1940) 5 After the Soviet Union entered the war on the Allied side 5.1 Iran (1941-1946) 5.2 Hungary (1944) 5.3 Romania (1944) 5.4 Bulgaria (1944) 5.5 Czechoslovakia (1944) 5.6 Northern Norway (1944-1946) 5.7 Bornholm, Denmark (1945-1946) 5.8 Germany (1945) 5.9 Austria (1945-1955) 5.10 Manchuria (1945-1946) 5.11 Korea (1945-1948) 5.12 Kuril Islands (1945) 6 Cold War 6.1 Hungarian Revolution of 1956 6.2 Czechoslovakia (1968-1989) 6.3 Afghanistan (1979-1989) 7 Moldova (1990-1992 still partially occupied today) 8 Chechnya (1999-today) 9 Abkhazia and South Ossetia, Georgia (2008-today) 10 Crimea, Ukraine (2014-today) 10.1 Parts of Donetsk and Luhansk oblasts, Ukraine (2014-today) 11 Syrian intervention (2015-today)
@@AyRCeefair, but nobody hates communism more than post-communist countries so its understandable why statues would be taken down. Maybe a memorial to all those who suffered under communism is more appropriate
@Omega0850 Good point. I see the dark, heavy material while my mind is injecting the thought in response to knowledge of the nature of the system they represent.
@@Silver_Prussian No, they were actually allies until one attacked the other. The people of Europe won't forget how Russians made their deal with the Nazis and then took even more after the war. They both annihilated millions of people. Very similar indeed.
@@Christian-rj2yc they werent. The molotov-ribbentrop pact was a non aggression pact that was never meant to last long not even until it has run its natural course. It was a way for the germans to ensure their safety during their invasion of france. Stop using the word russian instead of soviet. I just love it when all the russophobes do that they atribute all the bad stuff the soviet union has done to russia as if its their legacy and they are to blame while, claiming soviet achievements.
And what is the problem? It is not as if they will completely destroy it, taking the monument to the museum. There it can be seen by fans. The rest, they have the right to choose what they want to be in the public space.. A choice that I doubt was what was before the Stalinist monument.
Listen to what they are saying, some of them thing it's removal to museum is an insult in itself, they are deep in the propaganda and either do not know what is actually happening, are offended by the removal itself for some ignorant reasons, or are so deep in the Russian propaganda that they don't really know what is going on anyhow.
@@TheJasonBorn You speak of propaganda and ignorance so much yet spew nothing but that. How exactly ARE YOU offended by them just existing? How are these monuments that depict the many WW2 soviet sacrifices a threat? How is wanting to pay respect to these nameless people ignorance? What dose wanting these to stay have to do with Russian propaganda? Your ignorance on the other hand seems not to realize that their destruction DO bring harm. Harm to the memories of the people died for them, harm to those that still payed their respect AND A SERIOUS HARM to relationships between Russia, Bulgaria and the people that wanted it to stay. What do you have to show as actually positive for its destruction? Nothing but increased tensions, anger and hatred. You yourself are so deep in Ukrainian propaganda that you simply either do not thing of the consequences for these actions or just do not care and think that this will magically make things "better". In the end you "don't really know what is going on anyhow". So do not bother to speak as if you are some kind of expert without even saying 1 positive about their removal.
Soviets literally destroyed the state that was actually called "russian" and was founded entirely by jews, and commoners still assume that it is just another "russia".
What does this have to do with Russia if it's a monument to the Soviet era? What kind of primitive logic is this? You cannot consider objects in isolation from the context of when they were created. Yes, it was a unified country during the Soviet era and there was no contradiction in that. Besides, what's wrong with the "mother and child" statue? What can a "mother" propagandize? Bullshit. Everything. Yes, you can dislike the USSR, for historical reasons. But don't look for an excuse like "Everything the Soviets built is Russian". You are ruled by breakthroughs, not pragmatism. Even if you remove this monument, will it change history? No. As an art historian, I'm just sad that people can't find normal arguments for demolition, except for political ones. If you don't like it (the monument) so much, but you care about the context of history, at least send a fragment of it to a museum. Not scrap as they advise. I'm waiting for everyone to become like the Belgians in matters of heritage (everything is stupidly for sale) After all, no one is stopping you from reinterpreting the monument. As they did in Romania. Compositionally strange, but still. Again, I see it as simple negligence on the part of the Minister of Culture. Yes, monuments to "workers" were stamped on a production scale and the same bust of Lenin can be quietly demolished, as it is considered a "standard" monument. There were very rarely any peculiarities in its depiction. Therefore, before demolition, it is necessary to conduct at least a comparative analysis to find some differences. To be sure that this particular monument does not represent any cultural and historical value (because it is among the masses). After all, this monument was erected by Bulgarians and the models who posed them were also Bulgarians. It is quite possible that the national influence could have remained and some elements of Bulgarian sculpture could have penetrated into the statue. But even this was not done. "Everything Soviet - break it down!", "These are symbols of the occupation"....
@@Kontuberniy You wrote a lot and said nothing. This monument is a symbol of propaganda, lies and the occupation of Bulgaria. It is huge, we don't need an enormous piece of s*** showing our stupidity in the past.
@@Kontuberniy Obviously u know very little about that statue. What do u mean by "it was a unified country during the Soviet era"? Bulgaria was NOT part of USSR. It's literaly "monument of russian army" glorifying it, what does it have to do with Bulgaria??? USSR declared war on Bulgaria, when BG did not send troops on Eastern front, even though we were allied with the germans (only because their army was on the Danube border and pressed us, and because GER promised we can get Macedonia back, at the time 3 of our neighbours except Greece were allied with the germans. Later Hitler assumably poisoned our king. Then we allied with the russians pushing germans out of Serbia.). There was not a single german troop on BG soil, what were the russians liberating us from? This is the tallest statue in Sofia, the project was sent from Moscow and they ordered us to erect it. After 1949 pro-russian Communists killed 30 000 of the brightest most educated bulgarians. The Red Army directly killed, ran over, raped, thieved more than 150 bulgarians. They OCCUPIED US. Hitler occupied part of Russia, and therefore is a part of russian history and should be remembered, right??? When RUS erect a very tall statue of Hitler and Nazism in Moscow glorifying it, then we will put back the statue in Sofia, is that understood?
Well, they had to build the museum of Soviet Art first and that museum had to start working normally because the monument is kinda big. It took some time to build that museum and after it was opened the discussions to take it off have started again. Another thing that happened is that Bulgaria entered a political crisis and lost it's stable government so they had other things to do first like saving the economy from covid and the inflations etc.
Russians cannot forget their history, they don't know their history, it is classified, anyway, they know an official daily version of "history" which is constantly at least slightly different tomorrow and may be wiped out day after tomorrow with a newer "true" version.
Though I personally prefer the method that Lithuania and Hungary have employed with putting Soviet statues in parks, I can see that this is a pretty big monument and perhaps not suited for that. The next best thing is to put it in a museum. As these statues are part of history, they definitely should not be destroyed. The man at 1:12 is correct when he says, "Understand that this is a symbol of occupation. They occupied us." This is important to remember. Other than the Jewish prisoners in concentration camps, the Soviet armies did not liberate anybody: They were conquerors who imposed the evil of communism on the lands that they conquered and occupied. In a similar vein, I wish that the Bulgarians would move the communist art from the Buzludzha monument and place it in a museum, and, then, turn that building into a monument to Bulgarian history and its leaders. True leaders such as Khan Krum of the Bulgarian Empire to Tsar Boris III could be memorialized there.
The man at 1:12 is f*cking idiot, he doesnt know the meaning of the word occupation, I can say the same about us being occupied by the us and it would be true if I use his definition
While I am not a fan of communism and Russian propaganda... this statue is more about the anti-fascist movement than about Russian influence. I am more against the falsification or distortion of history on both sides of the arguement.
This statue is a memory of the Bulgarian army which is part of the red army and Bulgarian sacrifice. People just forgot their history. Bulgarian army does unbelievable heroic push against the army of Germany in ww2.
Whats facsists in bulgarian goverment or our Tsar who simply wants to save our people from another World War cathastrophy. We never send a single soldier to the East front and till the end Bulgaria stay neutral to Soviet union. Our army never shoot a bullet in Macedonia, which was the poorest part of Yugoslavia. Our goverment invest more than 10 billions leva for less than year. The idea for Macedonian nation was created in Kremlin, all macedonian bulgarians were hunted like dogs. Our new communsts gov did nothing to help the bulgarians in Macedonia. So called facsists before invested more money than the serbs for 30 years, they also didnt send no one bulgarian jewesh to the death camps. German intell requests 43000 bulgarian jewesh. Finally our country save more than 51000 jewesh, which means jewesh from Romania and Yugoslavia possibly increase the number. How ironic our neighbours from Macedonia still call us facsists. They even pay 5 millions $ to us lobbists to sell their story to the world. Our soft diplomacy to recognize their country first, when they were terrorised by albanian gangs we decide to send them couple of hunderts tanks, if they need gas or electricity they come to the facsists again.
In 1947 bulgarian comminist delagate told milovan djilas that "50 000 white guard" been liquadated" exaggeration or not,very large number of bulgarian were murdered by soviet back regime.
Wrong move for the Bulgarian Government what happened to our bond with Russia? Sadly we forget the past, the people that saved the world from fascism and brought glory to their country.
What bond? Look at our history. Russia has been trying to destroy Bulgaria since we became a country again. There is no bond. It never existed. Only delusions.
Russians cannot forget their history, they don't know their history, and it is permanently classified, anyway. What Russians know is an official daily version of "history" which will be at least slightly different tomorrow and may be wiped out the day after tomorrow with a newer ideologically "true" version.
So you rather be in one of Hitler's concentration camps? Barking as if the Holocaust was any better 😂 Don't forget the Soviet Union was the reason the whole Europe didn't have to speak German as their main language.
Political landmine. Many people in Bulgaria believe the USSR was better than oligarchs. Considering that democracy in the west is being undermined and dismantled, this issue may not yet be resolved.
History dictated from Stalin... Script is typical soviet lie. Soviets never came as friendly liberators, niether the bulgarian volks were thankful. As bulgarian I dont want the next gen students from our most notorious university to see infront bad looking soldier holding high ak riffle.
Bulgaria forgot that Russia helped them a lot during the soviet times. THey helped them with transportation, infrostructuer, etc. What a shame this country have turned into.
Yes, soviets helped Bulgaria to turn into communst republic for 45 years. The lie about how advanced was our economy under Soviet dictatorship fall apart in only few years when Bulgaria fully collapsed.
By comparison, the russian cemetery from Bucharest, named "cimitirul parohial Herăstrău" has a permanent armed guard since the war started. His mission is to protect the big statue of the soviet soldier.
Noroc si bine ai spus, frate, la noi in Moldova la fel avem multe monumente historice in memoria soldatilor razboiului mondial, care au liberat Moldova de ocupatia fascista. Este estimat ca 300.000 Moldoveni au pierdut viata in razboiul acela. Imi pare bine ca Romania are un respect catre monumente anti fasciste. 👍Rușine la dobitocii din statele baltice (rahat 💩 de Lithuania, Latvia si Estonia) si Polonezii si acum Bulgarii 🤮
@@Goorood in Romania, după ce rușii au adus libertatea, au violat milioane de femei și au creat 230 de centre de exterminare ale intelectulitatii, din care cel mai renumit a fost fenomenul Pitești.
@@Gooroodmai du-te în Rusia. Fac ceva pe rusia ta și eroi tăi. Care este diferenta intre bolșevici și fasciști. Îți spun eu bolșevici sau dovedit de ori mai rai decât fasciști cum ar fi, violatori barbari, au depășit genocidul fascist. Și ciordeala era ceva normal "davai ceas davai palton". Cu drag din România 🤮🤮🤮
@@raduvalentinrosca3996 Sau cum fascistii au mers pe sat si cautau pe evrei si tigani, si cum oamenii si vecinii au desparut ? Cum au luat ultimul porumb de la familii cu copii, ultima gisca, gaina si capra ? Cum din buruieni se facea sup ? Totul asta o fost facut de FASCISTII dobitoci, bunica mea toata viata o avut memorii din timpul cela. Sa ma cac eu pe fascistii cei si moderni. Daca careva colaboranti si au fost deportati in Siberia, lasa sa spuna multumesc ca numai pe 10 de ani, dupa tat ce au facut. 😡 Multa stima catre armata Sovietica pentru liberarea Moldovei. Ii mare pacat ca mai sunt prosti cu creer spalat care traiesc in istoria alternativa ...
The woman who said the way of removing the monument is to provoke the russian clones, must to learn that such big and heavy parts cant be moved at once. P. P. Some from the interviewed said the monument is historical, which isnt true. Its not even a millitary one.
Here we see the two major types of antagonists in Bulgarian politics, whom the majority of the populace does not associate with but who nonetheless dominate the vote through sheer activity and blind idealism: on one extreme we have the Russophile, a product of 19th century Pan-Slavic Russian propaganda, who believes Bulgaria is is linguistically, culturally, economically, historically and religiously a continuation of the Russian state (and vice versa) and must therefore align itself with Tzar Putin as is its rightful place in History On the other extreme we have the Russophobe who believes all Russians in Bulgaria to be foreign spies and colonizers and opportunists who must be expelled as they are supposedly exploiting the economy in favour of Putin's regime, lying in wait for an opportunity to seize power and transform Bulgaria into an Asiatic Communist dictatorship, stripping cituzens of all rights and freedoms we associate with the Liberal European Democracy.
They would have been removed eventually, because they commemorate a foreign occupation. No country leaves those sorts of monuments up once the occupiers have left.
Simple fact- even the sculptor story is prove that the monuments role is to demonstrate occupacion of Sofia. Every detail was direcrtly dictated from Moscow. Thats why the inscript "appreciative bulgarian people to our soviet liberators" its pure lie. The stories of the olders are very different. Sofia was very sad, many people lost their homes, ruins everywhere and soviets with guns all around.
I can understand nostalgia for times in which the economy was better. The fall of the Soviet regime caused many satellite economies to collapse. Key for the West is to invest enough in SE Europe to materially provide the advantages of belonging.
The economy wasn't better because a lot of the numbers in the statistics were faked, the parties decided what is the target and the bureaucrats just filled in the form with the required numbers regardless of actual demographics or money circulation. Also many so-called satellites have been robbed of many of the natural resources on which these countries could have built their prosperity. Likewise, their technological development stalled because of the ideology that the Soviet Union could develop better things, so each of these countries had limited access to advanced semiconductors and more efficient machines and production lines, and that's the main reason why many companies were not competitive in the 90s, because they needed more resources/time and labor for the same quality and volume of production as western companies.
Actually feels like it's mostly the older generation who want it removed and the younger who want it to stay (except for the first guy, who's dad was probably a party official, if not himself.
The economy were never better in soviet times. Bulgarian economy wasnt open and the stats were announced by our goverment. If our economy was in good shape, it wouldnt collapse in few years later. The nostalgia was mostly cause the past. People always miss most when they were young.
Soviet Russia was just as evil as the nazis. And what makes you think that Russia were the good guys in the Napoleonic wars, WW1, WW2? And WW2 was started when the nazis and their soviet allies invaded Poland in 1939
dont worry every indian has soviet monuments in hearts and in our county soviets are saviours for 1 billon people who ares for 300 million who hate soviets 😂😂
if you wanna remove them - go on. why should i feel offended, or anyone in this entire comment section, for that matter? my parents weren't even PLANNED when these great commie monuments were installed. would be wise to ask the bulgarian folk, tho. that's the conclusion i came to from reading the comments.
There are many Russian monuments in Sofia because Russia did in fact contribute to our liberty and most have been paid for by common Russian people. This one, the monument of the Soviet army is not one of them. It was built as a propaganda tool 10 years after the Soviet Union invaded Bulgaria. This monument was created by Bulgarians and the people who posed for the figures are Bulgarians too. I would like to highlight that the text in this video is a little deceiving because dismantling it has nothing to do with the war in Ukraine. The discussions for dismantling the monument of the Soviet Army have been existing for around 30 years and they had to build a place so it can be moved. It is a part of our history and we would like to preserve it. In the same time, the place for that monument had to change. That's what's done. It's important to note also that the monument itself started to become dangerous for the people. It has nothing to do with the war in Ukraine.
@@EvacuationRoute101 there are no pure nations in general. I don't believe in sayings like "pure nations" or "pure races" etc. People were mixing with each other since the beginning of humanity. For me countries are a delusional concept similar to the tribal structure with fancier names. If you look broader at the situation things didn't really change a lot since antiquity. We just changed the dictionary but the actions are pretty much the same. But that is just my opinion of course.
Even earlier they got rid of monument to Russian czar Alexander II who literally granted Bulgaria her independence. Russians are very sentimental about things like this. If they only knew it back then, would probably leave it a part of Turkey.
What was the reaction of liberators when Kingdom of Bulgaria unification with South Rumelia? The hole operation was made secretly from the Great powers. Batenberg decision to support Bulgaria made his cousin the russian Tsar very angry. Why our friends dont support the unification of Bulgaria? Even the other Great powers appreciate the brave bulgarian action without no victims.
Still the emblem of Sofia and Bulgaria is Alexander Nevski Cathedral, which is a Russian Prince from 13th century. The Sofia Municipality is located on Moskovska (Moscow's) street. We still have a long way to go... Also the anthem of Bulgaria was the Soviet one between 1951-1964 singing how the great sun of Stalin and Lenin will illuminate our way.
Honestly pathetic is our two most important administration buildings to be Dondukov 1 and 2. Or a famous sofia's street to hold the name of one of the biggest bulgarian enemies- graf Ignatiev, the man who appointed the commision responsible for the hanging of our biggest bulgarian heroe, politician and a visionary-Levski. Naming a street of him wasnt enough, but a villigea and an airport too... Shame on us!
Щом е така, единият да отиде и да бутне паметника на американските летци, другия да попремисли и после дружно да решим кой български герой от историята да увековечим там. Това делене и цепене на филофоби е изгодно на всички, но не и нас България...
well done, this statue represents Russia's power after WW2, after they and then occupying almost the entire Europe instead of Hitler 😀. Don't know who was worst
Unless you had to live the steel-tipped boots of a tyrannical, dictatorial, fascistic regime of an evil overlord, and yes communism is that bad, for context this would be like if the American Confederacy and Napoleonic Empire fully occupied North Africa for over 60 years, you do know how important this is for many Europeans, its tearing down the statues of the Confederacy,
Freaks like you supported fascism! The only ones who showed real resistance to the Nazis in Europe were the communists who fled to the partisan Jews and the Soviet army!
Are the people of Bulgaria actually Russian, or are they Bulgarian? Do the people not remember their ancestors before Russia forced their way in, forcing a mind set on Bulgaria? I recognize all the big players, and the little siblings, do this to other countries they deem lesser/weaker. It is one thing to protect yourself, and if asked to help by another sovereign populace.
I'm all for this country doing what it wishes. I'm a history buff and I prefer to see this statues/monuments survive. If the countries values have changed, they can use these as reminders and teaching points for younger generations to not forget. This is my personal opinion but I think it's lazy to take them down to erase the past, it's tougher to teach the youth the "Why" it shouldn't happen again. For example the concentration camps of WW2 need to remain standing FOREVER so future generations can learn the horrible lessons of the Holocaust to make sure it never ever happens again. Tear it down and it will be forgotten in a few generations.
I disagree. There are many ways to teach history and giant looming statues are not effective. Most people who are interested in history read books and there's no need to have ugly unartistic monuments dotted around public spaces that are shared by everyone some of whom have traumatic memories of that past. I think new statues reflecting change and growth with some artistic merit would be preferable in public spaces. 'Let the dead bury the dead" The statues will go to a museum which is where they belong and anyone interested can view them there.
@chellisdodge probably why Ukraine's Holocaust memorial center was the first things that got bombed by Putin's fascist regime when Russia invaded Ukraine without provocation
Ти си позор! Този паметник символизира убийците на прадядо ми, и до днес не знаем къде е погребан и от кого е убит. Този паметник е символ на онези, които вкараха дядо ми в концлагер в Белене, а след това го изпратиха да работи в урановите мини в Челопеч. Ако зависеше от мен, нямаше да го демонтирам и да го пратя в музей, а щях да го разбия с тежък багер и да хвърля останките в морето.
Никой не руши паметника бе мунчо. Както е сглобен така и трябва да бъде разглобен - реже се на сглобните точки. След 1-2 години като го реставрират и сглобят в музеят на соца, ще може да ходиш, и по цял ден да му се любуваш ако искаш.
@@akselmani No point arguing with him. He is Russian, so he sees no reason why a monument to commemorate the invasion of a neutral country by Russia should be removed.
Monuments are usually meant to reflect a country's values. Germany didn't keep monuments built by nazis, but it did build monuments to the victims of the nazis. You can remove a monument and still maintain history in public spaces.
Is Putin an anti-semite? Why does he have concentration camps in Ukraine that separate males from females before being deported deep into Siberia? Why did Putin orchestrate the lynch-mob trying to kill Israeli kids landing in Dagestan? We're seeing Russia once again siding with the nazis just like they did during ww2. It's scary as there is a reason 291,000 Soviet Jews fled their country fearing for their life. The pogrom of Jews never left.
The traitors were the soviets who promised better lives and freedom for the workers but brought the opposite, and when countries like Hungary and Czechoslovakia tried to move in a more free direction, they invaded. The incompetence of the soviet system led to its fall. Why should anyone celebrate it?
It’s weird how Russia doesn’t acknowledge Ukraine’s right to independence and claims that slavic Ukrainians are just confused Russians, yet at the same time the rights of an ethnic Russian minority in Ukraine must be protected. From what? The tyranny of the (allegedly) ethnically Russian majority?
>Symbol of occupation Maybe. But it's the tallest monument in Sofia which got its own art and architecture values besides its meaning (which someone may find offensive I suppose). Some people say that's the problem because so-called symbols of occupation shouldn't be this large but what are the replacement? So I propose that maybe we shouldn't judge work of art by political criteria but rather by its visual impact on the city and its architectural diversity. If we have judged any piece of media or culture by political agenda then there would have been no French New Wave, no German literature and art made during Third Reich and any soviet compositors including Shostakovich, Khachaturian and Myaskovsky Should works of Arno Breker be dismantled just because those statue were erected by the order of Reich?
I can tell you right away, the answer is: for that amount of years, for which Bulgaria has been ruled by puppet governments, whose only task is to silently dismantle the country, but in a neocolonial way, so the western countries could take use of the natural resources - gas, wood, copper, gold, and also from the cheap labor onsite + the one leaving towards the rich but demographically stagnated west... And more or less was in the same way during the communism, but still looked far better on its facade, that's why the population is so much divided. The gold then was still taken by the Russians. Is the answer good enough, or should I be giving you even better insights?
Bulgaria now has higher GDP per capita than the entire Russia lol. There are many poorer Non EU states, especially Serbia and North Macedonia. Both Romania and Bulgaria have faster economic growth compared to other EU members + the lowest taxes in the EU. Check Greece and Italy's taxes and the corruption index of Hungary. Both Romania and Bulgaria are doing better than these 4 in that cathegory.
@@HeroManNick132 Oh, poor boy...you still believe in GDP, the paper can handle anything small. Look at America, look at its streets, look at its people...what does your GDP tell you? It is a country in decline in every sense, full of whores, drug addicts, tents, crime...the GDP is only worth 2% of its population, the rest have everything, they owe everything
Moscow considering it a 'hostile step' pretty much says it all.
It's a shame how ignorant they are about the hostile steps the Kremlin has taken since 2014.
@@cskvisionyeah, funny how everything is aggressive to the ruZZi’s. Every move is crossing their red line. But everything they do is in the name of peace and unity…. Yeah…. Oooook. Fascist scumbags.
Moscow considers farting a hostile step.
@@aleksandarm4489 If you fart in their general direction.
Moscow considers someone holding a blank piece of paper up as hostile.
🤣🤣🤣 Moscow triggered because they are finally being recognized for what they were and are - OCCUPIERS! Russian colonization being reversed.
We were never part of Russia my friend. What are you talking about. This monument should be removed because this era is over. Nothing to do with Russia so stfu.
ABSOLUTELY 💯
To call Russians or Soviets any but occupiers is an insult to the national sovereignty of all the nations of Eastern Europe.
The correct place for Russians are in Russia!!!
They're also rconized or terror-wrists!
When you destroy history you dont know who you are. 1984 comes to pass.
They were liberators, not occupiers. Even in Bulgaria not all people support that evil action. Russian liberated bulgaria from nazism. Now, they are under control of global Amerian fascism. That's why they doing that, because Russia is advancing and in few years will be on Bulgarian border and nato is falling.
If its preserved in a Museum then whats the problem for some of these people?.
You expect logical reasoning from them 😆.
Some of the people were so deep in the propaganda, that the didn't realize it was to be preserved in a history museum, or were still criticizing the removal to museum as a bad thing. Seriously, getting burning themselves and their bad information.
@@huskytailI think you're too hard on them.
Because "museum" means "past", and Russia doesn't want to be in its former vassals past. The Ego cant handle it.
The problem is that the symbol of the victory over fascism and Nazism in Europe is being removed, stupid fascist!
Just for contex in Sofia there is not a single monument of this scale that in anyway represents Bulgarian history or important Bulgarian people and mind you this is right in the city center.
I personally think they should make a huge monument of han Asparuh, who is the father of our country, on that place. Or maybe a monument of han Krum. He contributed a lot for our history and I don't see any monument of him in Sofia which is a shame.
Another thing they can do is to make another monument for 1300 years of existence of Bulgaria because the previous one was also dangerous communist relic that was dangerous and dismantled.
@@flexparachutebulgaria should commence friendship with Macedonia in order to get peace within the EU.
@@nataliiateteruk585 I agree but both parties should want to participate. For example, Bulgaria had an extremely brutal and very bloody history with Greece that lasted for more than a millenium. Now we're friends with the Greeks because both Bulgarians and Greeks wanted and want to participate in such friendship. We have business together, we are in the same union, our people go to Greece for vacation and Greeks come here to study. It makes me happy because I personally like Greece a lot. I have been there countless times and have studied their language and culture for more than 10 years now. Hope soon I can actually move there because I really like that country.
It would be cool if we could be friends with all our neighbors in the Balkans but this doesn't depend only on us. They have to want to be our friends too because otherwise it becomes bullying which results to bloody conflicts that we have seen in the past such as the Yugoslav wars in the '90s.
@stef_naste
This your take is very humble and human and ochen nice to bewitness. Hopefully the Bosnia and Serbia can become part ofbtheb Union in Europe as well.
@@nataliiateteruk585 let's wait and see. :)
It’s up to Bulgaria what they do in their own country. It’s nothing to do with russia. 🇧🇬
That's the problem, ruzzia DO thing is their business; ruzzians think they have all the rights to intervene and dictate the lives not just of the former soviet states, but of all territories that had a presence of soviet boots. And that's from several ruzzians in diverse forums, social networks, etc.
@@CesarGarcia-nd5xz I am russian and you are a liar
A monument to Russian imperialism, state oppression and colonization
Bulgaria is now an American colony! That is why this is being removed!
@@ivanbg9694 clown
Soviet monuments and russian imperialism?
You certainly brainwashed.
@@Quarequieus the Soviet union was Russian imperialism under a different name, 2 month old botski account
@@nobbynobbs8182I can talk to you with a much older account, do you enjoy it?
And what does communist state that was founded by a man who loathed russia has to do with "russian imperialism"?
As a pole bravo bulgaria
If it wasn't for the Soviet Army, you wouldn't be there now, stupid Zionist!
Not surprising to see a pile support Nazis
no oni wtedy wpierdalali hitlerowską sperme w osi więc no bravo bulgaria
Congratulations for Bulgaria government and the people of this bright country.
Where they rehabilitate Nazism and fascism???
Everyone just wants to escape from this "brightness".
What are you congratulating us for ? This is historical revisionism
So much for Putin's game to rebuild the Russian empire. 😂
Bulgaria was never part of it. What are you talking about? The greatest empire is the Bulgarian one😎💪🏼
@@SimplyMartin Another one living in past, who care about past empires? Move on!
@@SimplyMartin #5.4 on the list of USSR/Russian military invasions and occupations:
1 Poland (1939-1956)
2 Baltic states (1940-1991)
3 Finnish territories (1940)
4 Bessarabia and Northern Bukovina (1940)
5 After the Soviet Union entered the war on the Allied side
5.1 Iran (1941-1946)
5.2 Hungary (1944)
5.3 Romania (1944)
5.4 Bulgaria (1944)
5.5 Czechoslovakia (1944)
5.6 Northern Norway (1944-1946)
5.7 Bornholm, Denmark (1945-1946)
5.8 Germany (1945)
5.9 Austria (1945-1955)
5.10 Manchuria (1945-1946)
5.11 Korea (1945-1948)
5.12 Kuril Islands (1945)
6 Cold War
6.1 Hungarian Revolution of 1956
6.2 Czechoslovakia (1968-1989)
6.3 Afghanistan (1979-1989)
7 Moldova (1990-1992 still partially occupied today)
8 Chechnya (1999-today)
9 Abkhazia and South Ossetia, Georgia (2008-today)
10 Crimea, Ukraine (2014-today)
10.1 Parts of Donetsk and Luhansk oblasts, Ukraine (2014-today)
11 Syrian intervention (2015-today)
@@christianevanherck6023 I copied and will responsibly check with research then share this valuable information. Thanks 👍
@@SimplyMartin Bulgaria was a Sowjet satellite state, and therefore part of the Russian empire.
Oh my, is a country doing what it wants and making sure their monuments reflects who they are? The nerve of some people! lol
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Why do you have to hide your history you keep them as a reminder of you never want to go or be in that time.
@AyRCee Or, how about this...they do what they want to do, because they're free to do it...😳
@@AyRCeefair, but nobody hates communism more than post-communist countries so its understandable why statues would be taken down. Maybe a memorial to all those who suffered under communism is more appropriate
@@AyRCeeIf your country was occupied by the nazis and they built a statue of Hitler, you would destroy it too.
De Russification has began.
The soviet monuments I've seen all appeared to me as dark and dominating threats, like beacons of depression.
I don´t think thats because of their appearance, but because we all know what they stand for.
@Omega0850 Good point. I see the dark, heavy material while my mind is injecting the thought in response to knowledge of the nature of the system they represent.
symbol of opression
I figured these ungrateful countries would start to destroy these monuments, some of these countries are still begging Russia for money lol.
@@ironhell813 What countries Orc?
Seems to me that Moscow is 'structurally unsound' as well.
LOL 🤣🤣🤣
When somethng seems to you then go to doctor. You have sickness
It seems that Kremlin is mentally unsolid too, with a dictator in power fir more than 23 years and trolls factories supporting his crazy ideas.
@@AlexanderTchwhen you see Putin ass licker like you, you know that it is a troll.
those who forgets its past doomed to repeat it in the future
Should Poland have kept Nazi monuments? Of course not, same thing.
What nazis built in Poland?
Yes, Poland needs turn back its jewish population (at last survivors and their descendants...).
Yeah sure bud compare apple to oranges
@@Silver_Prussian No, they were actually allies until one attacked the other. The people of Europe won't forget how Russians made their deal with the Nazis and then took even more after the war. They both annihilated millions of people. Very similar indeed.
@@Christian-rj2yc they werent.
The molotov-ribbentrop pact was a non aggression pact that was never meant to last long not even until it has run its natural course. It was a way for the germans to ensure their safety during their invasion of france.
Stop using the word russian instead of soviet. I just love it when all the russophobes do that they atribute all the bad stuff the soviet union has done to russia as if its their legacy and they are to blame while, claiming soviet achievements.
And what is the problem? It is not as if they will completely destroy it, taking the monument to the museum. There it can be seen by fans. The rest, they have the right to choose what they want to be in the public space.. A choice that I doubt was what was before the Stalinist monument.
Listen to what they are saying, some of them thing it's removal to museum is an insult in itself, they are deep in the propaganda and either do not know what is actually happening, are offended by the removal itself for some ignorant reasons, or are so deep in the Russian propaganda that they don't really know what is going on anyhow.
@@TheJasonBorn Well we do have nazi propaganda displayed in WW2 museums. If you forget history you're doomed to repeat it.
@@TheJasonBorn Well, you're probably mired in American propaganda
@@TheJasonBorn You speak of propaganda and ignorance so much yet spew nothing but that.
How exactly ARE YOU offended by them just existing? How are these monuments that depict the many WW2 soviet sacrifices a threat? How is wanting to pay respect to these nameless people ignorance? What dose wanting these to stay have to do with Russian propaganda?
Your ignorance on the other hand seems not to realize that their destruction DO bring harm. Harm to the memories of the people died for them, harm to those that still payed their respect AND A SERIOUS HARM to relationships between Russia, Bulgaria and the people that wanted it to stay. What do you have to show as actually positive for its destruction? Nothing but increased tensions, anger and hatred. You yourself are so deep in Ukrainian propaganda that you simply either do not thing of the consequences for these actions or just do not care and think that this will magically make things "better".
In the end you "don't really know what is going on anyhow". So do not bother to speak as if you are some kind of expert without even saying 1 positive about their removal.
Dude they already gutted it to pieces. The problem is that they are desecrating a monument that is dedicated to the sacrifices of millions of people
Russia: Attacks Ukaine
Bulgaria: removes Russian Statue
Also Russia: You are being hostile🤬
Millions of Ukrainians participate in the Soviet army, stupid fascist!
@@ivanbg9694 Millions of Ukrainians were also murdered by the soviets, Russian fascist troll
@@nobbynobbs8182 not millions, billions. you speak as experts on topics you learned from the likes og freaking CNN
Soviet statue and the pissheads that removed it just found another excuse to remove it.
Яж ми кура ....Симитли !
These Soviet Monuments are symbols of Russia, not Bulgaria.
Soviets literally destroyed the state that was actually called "russian" and was founded entirely by jews, and commoners still assume that it is just another "russia".
What does this have to do with Russia if it's a monument to the Soviet era? What kind of primitive logic is this? You cannot consider objects in isolation from the context of when they were created. Yes, it was a unified country during the Soviet era and there was no contradiction in that. Besides, what's wrong with the "mother and child" statue? What can a "mother" propagandize? Bullshit. Everything. Yes, you can dislike the USSR, for historical reasons. But don't look for an excuse like "Everything the Soviets built is Russian". You are ruled by breakthroughs, not pragmatism. Even if you remove this monument, will it change history? No.
As an art historian, I'm just sad that people can't find normal arguments for demolition, except for political ones. If you don't like it (the monument) so much, but you care about the context of history, at least send a fragment of it to a museum. Not scrap as they advise.
I'm waiting for everyone to become like the Belgians in matters of heritage (everything is stupidly for sale)
After all, no one is stopping you from reinterpreting the monument. As they did in Romania. Compositionally strange, but still.
Again, I see it as simple negligence on the part of the Minister of Culture. Yes, monuments to "workers" were stamped on a production scale and the same bust of Lenin can be quietly demolished, as it is considered a "standard" monument. There were very rarely any peculiarities in its depiction. Therefore, before demolition, it is necessary to conduct at least a comparative analysis to find some differences. To be sure that this particular monument does not represent any cultural and historical value (because it is among the masses).
After all, this monument was erected by Bulgarians and the models who posed them were also Bulgarians. It is quite possible that the national influence could have remained and some elements of Bulgarian sculpture could have penetrated into the statue.
But even this was not done.
"Everything Soviet - break it down!", "These are symbols of the occupation"....
@@Kontuberniy You wrote a lot and said nothing. This monument is a symbol of propaganda, lies and the occupation of Bulgaria. It is huge, we don't need an enormous piece of s*** showing our stupidity in the past.
@@Kontuberniy Obviously u know very little about that statue. What do u mean by "it was a unified country during the Soviet era"? Bulgaria was NOT part of USSR. It's literaly "monument of russian army" glorifying it, what does it have to do with Bulgaria??? USSR declared war on Bulgaria, when BG did not send troops on Eastern front, even though we were allied with the germans (only because their army was on the Danube border and pressed us, and because GER promised we can get Macedonia back, at the time 3 of our neighbours except Greece were allied with the germans. Later Hitler assumably poisoned our king. Then we allied with the russians pushing germans out of Serbia.). There was not a single german troop on BG soil, what were the russians liberating us from? This is the tallest statue in Sofia, the project was sent from Moscow and they ordered us to erect it. After 1949 pro-russian Communists killed 30 000 of the brightest most educated bulgarians. The Red Army directly killed, ran over, raped, thieved more than 150 bulgarians. They OCCUPIED US. Hitler occupied part of Russia, and therefore is a part of russian history and should be remembered, right??? When RUS erect a very tall statue of Hitler and Nazism in Moscow glorifying it, then we will put back the statue in Sofia, is that understood?
Why did it take 30 years to move it into a museum?
it takes a bulgar 1 hour to scratch his ass
Well, they had to build the museum of Soviet Art first and that museum had to start working normally because the monument is kinda big. It took some time to build that museum and after it was opened the discussions to take it off have started again. Another thing that happened is that Bulgaria entered a political crisis and lost it's stable government so they had other things to do first like saving the economy from covid and the inflations etc.
"Those Who Forget Their History Are Condemned to Repeat It"
Russians cannot forget their history, they don't know their history, it is classified, anyway, they know an official daily version of "history" which is constantly at least slightly different tomorrow and may be wiped out day after tomorrow with a newer "true" version.
If you have cancer in your body, would you remove it or just let it be there?
Cancer?
How many cancers did you eat?
Solidarity and positive vibes from New Hampshire, remember to be kind to each other and yourself during these trying times.
Who is looking for your solidarity stupid american fascist??All this is happening because of you!
Do you understand what does "vibe" means?
@@waragque do you understand k8nd?
All soviet symbols should be removed from free countries.
Could you call at least one free country in this world?
Free from opressors, free to follow your own way.
They are not oppressors. They are liberators. They fought nazism. Now those eastern european midgets are puppets of oppressing USA
@@AlexanderTch occupiers*
not ''liberators''
Though I personally prefer the method that Lithuania and Hungary have employed with putting Soviet statues in parks, I can see that this is a pretty big monument and perhaps not suited for that. The next best thing is to put it in a museum. As these statues are part of history, they definitely should not be destroyed.
The man at 1:12 is correct when he says, "Understand that this is a symbol of occupation. They occupied us." This is important to remember. Other than the Jewish prisoners in concentration camps, the Soviet armies did not liberate anybody: They were conquerors who imposed the evil of communism on the lands that they conquered and occupied.
In a similar vein, I wish that the Bulgarians would move the communist art from the Buzludzha monument and place it in a museum, and, then, turn that building into a monument to Bulgarian history and its leaders. True leaders such as Khan Krum of the Bulgarian Empire to Tsar Boris III could be memorialized there.
Такива фашистки талибани, като теб за 30 години нищо не направихте, няма и да направите! Вие сте пълни боклуци и само знаете да рушите!
The man at 1:12 is f*cking idiot, he doesnt know the meaning of the word occupation, I can say the same about us being occupied by the us and it would be true if I use his definition
Bulgaria again standing with the side that they think is more powerful at a specific moment. Bulgaria is the Italy of the Balkans.
A lot of countries have dismantled them and moved them to historical parks or museums where they can be seen in context .
While I am not a fan of communism and Russian propaganda... this statue is more about the anti-fascist movement than about Russian influence. I am more against the falsification or distortion of history on both sides of the arguement.
This statue is a memory of the Bulgarian army which is part of the red army and Bulgarian sacrifice.
People just forgot their history.
Bulgarian army does unbelievable heroic push against the army of Germany in ww2.
Whats facsists in bulgarian goverment or our Tsar who simply wants to save our people from another World War cathastrophy. We never send a single soldier to the East front and till the end Bulgaria stay neutral to Soviet union. Our army never shoot a bullet in Macedonia, which was the poorest part of Yugoslavia. Our goverment invest more than 10 billions leva for less than year. The idea for Macedonian nation was created in Kremlin, all macedonian bulgarians were hunted like dogs. Our new communsts gov did nothing to help the bulgarians in Macedonia. So called facsists before invested more money than the serbs for 30 years, they also didnt send no one bulgarian jewesh to the death camps. German intell requests 43000 bulgarian jewesh. Finally our country save more than 51000 jewesh, which means jewesh from Romania and Yugoslavia possibly increase the number. How ironic our neighbours from Macedonia still call us facsists. They even pay 5 millions $ to us lobbists to sell their story to the world. Our soft diplomacy to recognize their country first, when they were terrorised by albanian gangs we decide to send them couple of hunderts tanks, if they need gas or electricity they come to the facsists again.
In 1947 bulgarian comminist delagate told milovan djilas that "50 000 white guard" been liquadated" exaggeration or not,very large number of bulgarian were murdered by soviet back regime.
It's Djilas, no one in his right mind would believe anything this guy said.
Thank you
Putin doesn't like this.😊
A crime against Bulgarian history and culture!!!
Relief And Anger).These are different feelings, they don't go together. Someone who has betrayed his past has no future.
Wrong move for the Bulgarian Government what happened to our bond with Russia? Sadly we forget the past, the people that saved the world from fascism and brought glory to their country.
R u rushist?❤
What bond? Look at our history. Russia has been trying to destroy Bulgaria since we became a country again. There is no bond. It never existed. Only delusions.
I thought that their biggest Soviet monument is in the president's office.
those who forgets its past doomed to repeat it in the future
Russians cannot forget their history, they don't know their history, and it is permanently classified, anyway. What Russians know is an official daily version of "history" which will be at least slightly different tomorrow and may be wiped out the day after tomorrow with a newer ideologically "true" version.
huh I didn't know there were pro-gulag groups. they might feel differently if they were In one of the gulags they support
Unfortunately a lot of elderly people had been indoctrinated during the socialist regime.
So you rather be in one of Hitler's concentration camps? Barking as if the Holocaust was any better 😂
Don't forget the Soviet Union was the reason the whole Europe didn't have to speak German as their main language.
Political landmine. Many people in Bulgaria believe the USSR was better than oligarchs. Considering that democracy in the west is being undermined and dismantled, this issue may not yet be resolved.
Yes, recent trends in Western countries work in opposition by alienating the population and turning it towards its roots and traditions.
No doubt that is why there was a popular uprising to overthrow communism, it was because the people liked it so much 😂
They belong in the museum, not displayed proudly on the streets. This is not some 2000 year old artifact, it's just a symbol of recent occupation.
After 2000 years, it will be artifact.
And they anyway destroying it.
The comment section is what we call Hypocrisy
Bravo Bulgaria! 🇧🇬👍
the first guy you asked really clarified his stance by even calling RFE/RL bad people.
The first guy is a critically sick in his mind but that's what Russia sells 🤷🏼♀️
Because radio liberty is propaganda look at their origins, they have not changed much
Nations that ignore their history tend to repeat their tragedies.
History is History and can't be erase.
History dictated from Stalin... Script is typical soviet lie. Soviets never came as friendly liberators, niether the bulgarian volks were thankful. As bulgarian I dont want the next gen students from our most notorious university to see infront bad looking soldier holding high ak riffle.
Bulgaria forgot that Russia helped them a lot during the soviet times. THey helped them with transportation, infrostructuer, etc. What a shame this country have turned into.
And who made North Macedonia? Russia as well.
Yes, soviets helped Bulgaria to turn into communst republic for 45 years. The lie about how advanced was our economy under Soviet dictatorship fall apart in only few years when Bulgaria fully collapsed.
U will remember this Day ....
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Russians will never forget it ........... ........
By comparison, the russian cemetery from Bucharest, named "cimitirul parohial Herăstrău" has a permanent armed guard since the war started. His mission is to protect the big statue of the soviet soldier.
Noroc si bine ai spus, frate, la noi in Moldova la fel avem multe monumente historice in memoria soldatilor razboiului mondial, care au liberat Moldova de ocupatia fascista. Este estimat ca 300.000 Moldoveni au pierdut viata in razboiul acela. Imi pare bine ca Romania are un respect catre monumente anti fasciste. 👍Rușine la dobitocii din statele baltice (rahat 💩 de Lithuania, Latvia si Estonia) si Polonezii si acum Bulgarii 🤮
@@Goorood in Romania, după ce rușii au adus libertatea, au violat milioane de femei și au creat 230 de centre de exterminare ale intelectulitatii, din care cel mai renumit a fost fenomenul Pitești.
@@Gooroodmai du-te în Rusia. Fac ceva pe rusia ta și eroi tăi. Care este diferenta intre bolșevici și fasciști. Îți spun eu bolșevici sau dovedit de ori mai rai decât fasciști cum ar fi, violatori barbari, au depășit genocidul fascist. Și ciordeala era ceva normal "davai ceas davai palton". Cu drag din România 🤮🤮🤮
@@Goorood Spune ceva despre foamete din 46-47 din Moldova , s-au despre cei deportați din Moldova în Siberia ...
@@raduvalentinrosca3996 Sau cum fascistii au mers pe sat si cautau pe evrei si tigani, si cum oamenii si vecinii au desparut ? Cum au luat ultimul porumb de la familii cu copii, ultima gisca, gaina si capra ? Cum din buruieni se facea sup ? Totul asta o fost facut de FASCISTII dobitoci, bunica mea toata viata o avut memorii din timpul cela. Sa ma cac eu pe fascistii cei si moderni. Daca careva colaboranti si au fost deportati in Siberia, lasa sa spuna multumesc ca numai pe 10 de ani, dupa tat ce au facut. 😡 Multa stima catre armata Sovietica pentru liberarea Moldovei. Ii mare pacat ca mai sunt prosti cu creer spalat care traiesc in istoria alternativa ...
I wouldn't do that if I was the leader of Bulgaria but to be honest I wouldn't be upset either
The woman who said the way of removing the monument is to provoke the russian clones, must to learn that such big and heavy parts cant be moved at once.
P. P. Some from the interviewed said the monument is historical, which isnt true. Its not even a millitary one.
Used to visit that monument as a kid with my grandpa😢. It was vandalized often but impressive
Disgrace , f ...
Here we see the two major types of antagonists in Bulgarian politics, whom the majority of the populace does not associate with but who nonetheless dominate the vote through sheer activity and blind idealism:
on one extreme we have the Russophile, a product of 19th century Pan-Slavic Russian propaganda, who believes Bulgaria is is linguistically, culturally, economically, historically and religiously a continuation of the Russian state (and vice versa) and must therefore align itself with Tzar Putin as is its rightful place in History
On the other extreme we have the Russophobe who believes all Russians in Bulgaria to be foreign spies and colonizers and opportunists who must be expelled as they are supposedly exploiting the economy in favour of Putin's regime, lying in wait for an opportunity to seize power and transform Bulgaria into an Asiatic Communist dictatorship, stripping cituzens of all rights and freedoms we associate with the Liberal European Democracy.
Каждому свое..............................
if russia hadnst started a special military fucked up war none of thst would have happened smt these statuss are beautiful
They would have been removed eventually, because they commemorate a foreign occupation. No country leaves those sorts of monuments up once the occupiers have left.
The Soviet union is gone, why have a monument to failure?
Simple fact- even the sculptor story is prove that the monuments role is to demonstrate occupacion of Sofia. Every detail was direcrtly dictated from Moscow. Thats why the inscript "appreciative bulgarian people to our soviet liberators" its pure lie. The stories of the olders are very different. Sofia was very sad, many people lost their homes, ruins everywhere and soviets with guns all around.
Wise choice.
Give a thumbs up if you know the reference.
Congratulations Bulgaria, Putin just put you on his little list, right next to England and France!😂😂
That list is getting quite long for the mad midget to manage!
🤮🛳️👈
Very funny clown
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And Putin poops himself.
If they think this is part of their history then they should go to their history( russia) and today right now.
I can understand nostalgia for times in which the economy was better. The fall of the Soviet regime caused many satellite economies to collapse. Key for the West is to invest enough in SE Europe to materially provide the advantages of belonging.
The economy wasn't better because a lot of the numbers in the statistics were faked, the parties decided what is the target and the bureaucrats just filled in the form with the required numbers regardless of actual demographics or money circulation.
Also many so-called satellites have been robbed of many of the natural resources on which these countries could have built their prosperity. Likewise, their technological development stalled because of the ideology that the Soviet Union could develop better things, so each of these countries had limited access to advanced semiconductors and more efficient machines and production lines, and that's the main reason why many companies were not competitive in the 90s, because they needed more resources/time and labor for the same quality and volume of production as western companies.
Actually feels like it's mostly the older generation who want it removed and the younger who want it to stay (except for the first guy, who's dad was probably a party official, if not himself.
The economy were never better in soviet times. Bulgarian economy wasnt open and the stats were announced by our goverment. If our economy was in good shape, it wouldnt collapse in few years later. The nostalgia was mostly cause the past. People always miss most when they were young.
Now I feel sorry for Russia who fought so many wars like Napoleon, WW1, WW2, etc and this is what they get? Wow just wow
Soviet Russia was just as evil as the nazis.
And what makes you think that Russia were the good guys in the Napoleonic wars, WW1, WW2?
And WW2 was started when the nazis and their soviet allies invaded Poland in 1939
Because after the war they treated their allies like slaves and abused them. Just ask anyone from the Eastern Europe, they will answer you.
@@NguyenTran-mf9gj Yes, you discovered the warm water, and still ironic how Vietnam is a communistic country.
You know they invaded neutral Bulgaria at the end of WW2 and replaced the government with a puppet state by force right?
Eeeew communism
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dont worry every indian has soviet monuments in hearts and in our county soviets are saviours for 1 billon people who ares for 300 million who hate soviets 😂😂
Okay, paid Z.
@@HeroManNick132 so you us paid 🤣🤣
Europe is healing
if you wanna remove them - go on. why should i feel offended, or anyone in this entire comment section, for that matter? my parents weren't even PLANNED when these great commie monuments were installed. would be wise to ask the bulgarian folk, tho. that's the conclusion i came to from reading the comments.
А вие шо за текот на втората светска војна, Хитлер и нацисти? Па сега советите биле окупатори 🤣. Ако не беше советите во Хаг ќе бевте досега.
Къде са ви монументите на Сталин, Тито и Димитров? Не ги виждам!
Расія вперде 😂😂😂
0:36 OMG it is *Jay Baumann!1*
There are many Russian monuments in Sofia because Russia did in fact contribute to our liberty and most have been paid for by common Russian people. This one, the monument of the Soviet army is not one of them. It was built as a propaganda tool 10 years after the Soviet Union invaded Bulgaria. This monument was created by Bulgarians and the people who posed for the figures are Bulgarians too. I would like to highlight that the text in this video is a little deceiving because dismantling it has nothing to do with the war in Ukraine. The discussions for dismantling the monument of the Soviet Army have been existing for around 30 years and they had to build a place so it can be moved. It is a part of our history and we would like to preserve it. In the same time, the place for that monument had to change. That's what's done. It's important to note also that the monument itself started to become dangerous for the people. It has nothing to do with the war in Ukraine.
fair note: common Russian people were not pure Russians, it consisted of Ukrainians, Tajiks, Kazakhs and so on - if we are talking about Red Army.
@@EvacuationRoute101 there are no pure nations in general. I don't believe in sayings like "pure nations" or "pure races" etc. People were mixing with each other since the beginning of humanity. For me countries are a delusional concept similar to the tribal structure with fancier names. If you look broader at the situation things didn't really change a lot since antiquity. We just changed the dictionary but the actions are pretty much the same. But that is just my opinion of course.
@@flexparachute purity of the nations wasn't the point, but thanks for the explanation.
Има общо с това, че сме американска колония фашистки боклук! Защо не махнете паметника на американските летци-военопрестъпници!??
@@EvacuationRoute101 Today the Kiev government honors the Ukrainians who, like the Bulgarians, fought for the Nazis.
Bien por Bulgaria
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Even earlier they got rid of monument to Russian czar Alexander II who literally granted Bulgaria her independence. Russians are very sentimental about things like this. If they only knew it back then, would probably leave it a part of Turkey.
What was the reaction of liberators when Kingdom of Bulgaria unification with South Rumelia? The hole operation was made secretly from the Great powers. Batenberg decision to support Bulgaria made his cousin the russian Tsar very angry. Why our friends dont support the unification of Bulgaria? Even the other Great powers appreciate the brave bulgarian action without no victims.
Still the emblem of Sofia and Bulgaria is Alexander Nevski Cathedral, which is a Russian Prince from 13th century. The Sofia Municipality is located on Moskovska (Moscow's) street. We still have a long way to go... Also the anthem of Bulgaria was the Soviet one between 1951-1964 singing how the great sun of Stalin and Lenin will illuminate our way.
You are honestly pathetic
Honestly pathetic is our two most important administration buildings to be Dondukov 1 and 2. Or a famous sofia's street to hold the name of one of the biggest bulgarian enemies- graf Ignatiev, the man who appointed the commision responsible for the hanging of our biggest bulgarian heroe, politician and a visionary-Levski. Naming a street of him wasnt enough, but a villigea and an airport too... Shame on us!
@@stanislavstanchev7734 Само дето това не е вярно и е само конспиративна история от книгата на Янко Гочев.
Neko je dao svoj život za te ideale, da bi neko slobodnije živeo. Ovako je sramotno što se ne poštuju te žrtve..
Ko nema istoriju nema ni budućnost.
Бягай си в Москва, копейко! Този съветски монумент няма нищо общо с Освобождението ни, прави разлика, сърбино на върбе!
Paid protesters.
I am Bulgarian, hello people. We fight against politician's about this monument. It;s not what people wants.
Аз също съм българин и отдавна мечтаех това да се случи. Това е и желанието на повечето софиянци.
Щом е така, единият да отиде и да бутне паметника на американските летци, другия да попремисли и после дружно да решим кой български герой от историята да увековечим там. Това делене и цепене на филофоби е изгодно на всички, но не и нас България...
Russian soldiers will not come to you again.
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Bulgaria knows what means Russian mir in the history of Soviet union. It was hortible for the Bulgarians those dark epoc.
Ещё одна хохлина тупорылая🤣. ты за болгар выискалась это сказать или за тетерук?
They seriously want to be under germans instead of russia, who freed them from ottomans?
why do you speak in the name of Bulgarians??? you are a banderite!
the fact that the first guy interviewed, was so stupid, rude and angry, tell's you everything you need to know about communism and pro russians.
well done, this statue represents Russia's power after WW2, after they and then occupying almost the entire Europe instead of Hitler 😀.
Don't know who was worst
you don't know who was worse? i bet your family was supporting the Austrian painter...
So you supporting Hitler and the Holocaust? 🤢🤮
@@NguyenTran-mf9gj Seems you are still a communist and you support Kim Jong Un and Stalin?
@@puzzled012 Stalin did worse than him. Yes, both were attrocious but Stalin isn't inoccent either.
Unless you had to live the steel-tipped boots of a tyrannical, dictatorial, fascistic regime of an evil overlord, and yes communism is that bad, for context this would be like if the American Confederacy and Napoleonic Empire fully occupied North Africa for over 60 years, you do know how important this is for many Europeans, its tearing down the statues of the Confederacy,
Freaks like you supported fascism! The only ones who showed real resistance to the Nazis in Europe were the communists who fled to the partisan Jews and the Soviet army!
@@ivanbg9694 The soviets were just as evil as the nazis, Russian nazi botski
I stand with Bulgaria! I don't like the destruction of historical monuments, but what can you do? We don't keep monuments of Nazi Germany either!
В мозъка ти е пълна каша фашистки талибанин!
interesting how people whose ancestors were allied with nazis equate it with communism... (and in privete do the salutes around the house)
Are the people of Bulgaria actually Russian, or are they Bulgarian? Do the people not remember their ancestors before Russia forced their way in, forcing a mind set on Bulgaria? I recognize all the big players, and the little siblings, do this to other countries they deem lesser/weaker. It is one thing to protect yourself, and if asked to help by another sovereign populace.
Russia forced their way in? do you know how Bulgaria got their country back from the Turks? do you know on which side Bulgaria was in ww2 btw??
Taking history away did some non Bulgarian get upset 😂😂
I'm all for this country doing what it wishes. I'm a history buff and I prefer to see this statues/monuments survive. If the countries values have changed, they can use these as reminders and teaching points for younger generations to not forget. This is my personal opinion but I think it's lazy to take them down to erase the past, it's tougher to teach the youth the "Why" it shouldn't happen again. For example the concentration camps of WW2 need to remain standing FOREVER so future generations can learn the horrible lessons of the Holocaust to make sure it never ever happens again. Tear it down and it will be forgotten in a few generations.
I disagree. There are many ways to teach history and giant looming statues are not effective. Most people who are interested in history read books and there's no need to have ugly unartistic monuments dotted around public spaces that are shared by everyone some of whom have traumatic memories of that past.
I think new statues reflecting change and growth with some artistic merit would be preferable in public spaces.
'Let the dead bury the dead"
The statues will go to a museum which is where they belong and anyone interested can view them there.
don't you see that they are practically rehabilitating Nazism in Europe after removing the monument to the winners!?
@@ivanbg9694 they aren't botski. If you worry about rekindling Nazism, worry about RuSSia under Putin
@chellisdodge probably why Ukraine's Holocaust memorial center was the first things that got bombed by Putin's fascist regime when Russia invaded Ukraine without provocation
@@ivanbg9694 and Soviet Russia was just as evil as nazi Germany, their former allies until 1941
Изключително позорно действие, 80% от българите не одобряват подобни действия!Само талибаните рушат паметници!
Позорен е коментара ти. Повечето напълно одобряват
Ти си позор! Този паметник символизира убийците на прадядо ми, и до днес не знаем къде е погребан и от кого е убит. Този паметник е символ на онези, които вкараха дядо ми в концлагер в Белене, а след това го изпратиха да работи в урановите мини в Челопеч. Ако зависеше от мен, нямаше да го демонтирам и да го пратя в музей, а щях да го разбия с тежък багер и да хвърля останките в морето.
Никой не руши паметника бе мунчо. Както е сглобен така и трябва да бъде разглобен - реже се на сглобните точки. След 1-2 години като го реставрират и сглобят в музеят на соца, ще може да ходиш, и по цял ден да му се любуваш ако искаш.
@@akselmani Мунчо си ти, иди и виж къде в музея има място за такъв паметник?!Аман от недоразумения...
@@akselmani No point arguing with him. He is Russian, so he sees no reason why a monument to commemorate the invasion of a neutral country by Russia should be removed.
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быть поэтами среди говна - это высший удел украинствующих🤣
They also remove part of their history. They can open a mcdonalds on this place. USA never occupie other countries
Monuments are usually meant to reflect a country's values. Germany didn't keep monuments built by nazis, but it did build monuments to the victims of the nazis. You can remove a monument and still maintain history in public spaces.
@@Dudelsackpfeifer well said
Is Putin an anti-semite? Why does he have concentration camps in Ukraine that separate males from females before being deported deep into Siberia? Why did Putin orchestrate the lynch-mob trying to kill Israeli kids landing in Dagestan? We're seeing Russia once again siding with the nazis just like they did during ww2. It's scary as there is a reason 291,000 Soviet Jews fled their country fearing for their life. The pogrom of Jews never left.
Well, the Holocaust is part of Jewish history, should they erect a monument to Hitler... or to the people who he killed?
@@Dudelsackpfeiferthey kept many German empire monuments though
Traitors
Well, they're gone now.
The traitors were the soviets who promised better lives and freedom for the workers but brought the opposite, and when countries like Hungary and Czechoslovakia tried to move in a more free direction, they invaded. The incompetence of the soviet system led to its fall. Why should anyone celebrate it?
It’s weird how Russia doesn’t acknowledge Ukraine’s right to independence and claims that slavic Ukrainians are just confused Russians, yet at the same time the rights of an ethnic Russian minority in Ukraine must be protected. From what? The tyranny of the (allegedly) ethnically Russian majority?
Bulgaria are now free from the USSR and russian shadow.
Hahahahaha
>Symbol of occupation
Maybe. But it's the tallest monument in Sofia which got its own art and architecture values besides its meaning (which someone may find offensive I suppose). Some people say that's the problem because so-called symbols of occupation shouldn't be this large but what are the replacement?
So I propose that maybe we shouldn't judge work of art by political criteria but rather by its visual impact on the city and its architectural diversity. If we have judged any piece of media or culture by political agenda then there would have been no French New Wave, no German literature and art made during Third Reich and any soviet compositors including Shostakovich, Khachaturian and Myaskovsky
Should works of Arno Breker be dismantled just because those statue were erected by the order of Reich?
Don't blame them, Bulgaria needs money and the US ordered.....how many years has Bulgaria been in the EU and is it still just as poor?
I can tell you right away, the answer is: for that amount of years, for which Bulgaria has been ruled by puppet governments, whose only task is to silently dismantle the country, but in a neocolonial way, so the western countries could take use of the natural resources - gas, wood, copper, gold, and also from the cheap labor onsite + the one leaving towards the rich but demographically stagnated west... And more or less was in the same way during the communism, but still looked far better on its facade, that's why the population is so much divided. The gold then was still taken by the Russians.
Is the answer good enough, or should I be giving you even better insights?
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Bulgaria now has higher GDP per capita than the entire Russia lol. There are many poorer Non EU states, especially Serbia and North Macedonia. Both Romania and Bulgaria have faster economic growth compared to other EU members + the lowest taxes in the EU. Check Greece and Italy's taxes and the corruption index of Hungary. Both Romania and Bulgaria are doing better than these 4 in that cathegory.
@@HeroManNick132 Oh, poor boy...you still believe in GDP, the paper can handle anything small. Look at America, look at its streets, look at its people...what does your GDP tell you? It is a country in decline in every sense, full of whores, drug addicts, tents, crime...the GDP is only worth 2% of its population, the rest have everything, they owe everything
@HeroManNick132 this is why Bulgarians going to Germany and other countries to work and not stay in Bulgaria with 5k Leva salary.