Also, thanks so much for your amazing review, thanks to your feedback about the cable buckles slipping off easily, I no longer consider them as an option.
@@gregorioa1214 the maestrale has a more defined heel pocket and better lockdown over the instep. I also believe the vertical space in the zero g is taller. It's been a couple years since I've been in a zero g though. The maestrale walks better and is stiffer. The flex profile of the maestrale will feel different depending on how tight you make the booster strap. The zero g will feel more progressive, but it is subtle imo.
I've broken the ski/walk mode lever on my older mastrales multiple times and it makes me hesitant to pick them again. Do you think they're sufficiently upgraded?
Scarpa tends to adapt to warranties and refine their products. I have only heard of one breakage on a lever on a quattro and none on the new maestrale.
is the inside boot/liner the same as in the quattro. I tested the normal maestrale's 2024 and I felt the inside boot was too stiff and uncomfortable. I also don't know much about punching etc. So not sure I would not buy them. However, I was wondering if the boot ont he rs is more cushy/comfortable. Let me know your thoughts. I have a bit wider feet. Also, since they have made the boots like one size bigger, does that mean i should order one size bigger than i normally use? I also tested the fischer ranger 130 whcih are hyper comfortable and also wide for my feet. however, i wonder if i could go ski touring with them, since they are 3.6 kg. they also have a walk mode, but not sure if it is good enough for touring
@@martincarrascoso1053 The inside is based on the same last. The Quattro is 1 mm narrower in all directions. So if you found the maestrale uncomfortable the Quattro will be moreso. Quatro + 1 size is going to be the same size as maestrale as far as length of the shell. The shell fit will be 1mm narrower in all directions.
@@thicccboyztvthanks so much for your fast reply man! I need to grab those bfriday deals hehe My question was more about the maestrale vs maestrale rs inside liners. But so far, I think I’ll go for the Fischer ranger one bcs they are incredibly comfortable. I wonder how good is their walk mode tho.
Hey, Have you skied the Zero Gs much? I've been in those forever, but the new style Maetrale actually fits me a bit better. However the cuff of the Maestrale is notably shorter which concerns me. Any thoughts on comparing the two?
@@justinwilcox-b6s scarpa is stiffer and at least for me much more precise fitting. Imo that compensates for the shorter cuff. I skied the zero g's for a couple months. Imprecise heel hold and too much volume over the foot. And less stiff. More progressive feeling though. But not worlds apart.
Do the maestrales have a full bootboard? Or are the toes just straight on the shell like in the quattro? That and the cuff are my biggest gripes with the quattro, toes get so cold and calf’s cramp when i faceplant 😂
It would just be dependent on the size break and if you were able to gain the next size tongue depending on if you stuck with the same stated size or not. Ie 26 quattro equals 27 maestrale and if it bumps the tongue you gain probably a half cm is my guess
Tried on quattro and old maestrale fiew days ago, I was wondering if they brought the amazing walk mode to New maestrale, so this video has perfect timing xd Is there any difference in walking when you compare the Two?
I generally tour with all upper buckles undone and all straps loose and usually only have one midfoot strap done for walking. With the same amount of buckles buckled up ie just the forefoot wave style buckle on the maestrale and the second buckle closest to the heel on the Quattro I find them to walk near frictionless and indistinguishable. The pivot design and cuff overlap is the same as Quattro so it has that same super smooth initial ROM when stuff is unbuckled
Now that you’ve skied the maestrale for a season, how do you like the flex? Do you wish you had the other version? I heard in the previous boot that in the stiffer model, it felt like you were flexing into a wall, not a damp progressive flex. Does the new boot flex progressively or?
To be clear, I've not got to ski this boot a lot because our season kind of never showed up in the Pacific Northwest. However, I do not think that this is a wall type feel, Quattro is more wall like, this is a little more supple. In fact, I actually wish that it had a little more responsive stiffness to it off the top. Ultimately, we are talking about lightweight touring boots so dampness and progressivity are not their strong suits as opposed to heavier boots or boots that are constructed differently, ie lange xt3 tour, roxa r3 130 etc. both of those outright are going to have similar absolute stiffness but going to be way more damp and progressive. However, amongst the lightweight category, I would say that the dampness and progressivity is improving. From what I remember of the old version, I do believe that this one is more progressive.
Yes, I owned the original f1 for awhile. This is just a totally different boot. A whole lot stiffer, and better walking, more precise closure. It's just far superior in every way. Fit different too. I remember the f1s having a pretty pointy toe box. This one is more anatomical. Maestrale heavier by a couple hundred grams. F1 also had weirdly aggressive forward leans for a touring boot. Maestrale has aggressive leans that are more comparable to everyone else's boots. Frankly the f1 is due for an update and likely even lighter boots like the f1 xt will outski and outwalk it.
@thicccboyztv good to know, thanks for the details. Yeah I'm definitely regretting the F1 one all but the biggest tours. I'll be very interested in your thoughts on these new ones once you've skied them!
Thank you very much. I am also considering Maestrale XT. Do you have any thoughts on them? I am still riding my old Maestrale RS and love them, but I want something stiffer so maybe it is worth going one step farther.
@@tomaszscieplek3760 the fit has gotten slightly lower volume, so if the old fit is dialed for you, the old xt is stiffer than the old RS. The brand new rs is stiffer than both but slightly lower volume.
The fit is different and the liner of the RS is beefier than the tecnica. Overall I'd say maestrale is lower volume. So it depends on where your foot is big. The length on the 26.5 zero g was slightly short for me, but had too much volume in the heel. The maestrale is more appropriate length for me, but is a more secure fit overall. I would go true to size for all day comfort fit or size down for an aggressive fit that may require boot work.
You talked about the length and flex, but what about the last? I have somewhat narrow and pointy feet, so The Dynafit Radical Free is way too wide for me. The Quattro feels snug/perfect, but I see reviews say the Maestrale are best for wide feet, so I'm really at a loss whether the listed 1mm difference makes them too wide for me. Also, a size 27 Quattro felt like the perfect size for me. Would a 26 Maestrale really be the proper size?
@@thicccboyztv Update on this if anyone's curious: I bought a 26 Maestrale RS but ended up switching to a 27. 26 crunched my forefoot a bit and my toes touched the front unless I pushed my shin forward, so I knew the uphill would suck (learned this from my Dynafit boot being just too short). I deemed 26 too small to mold/adapt, so I didn't even try - might've been a mistake. The 27 feels too wide, so I added the 2mm volume reducer (the 4mm was too much) and the fit is pretty good. Still a tiny bit too wide in the forefoot for my liking on the downhill, but I'm sure it makes the uphill comfier. The heel is very snug, so I end up getting blisters on the inside heel of both my feet. I've yet to heat mold or punch the shell, but I'll give that a go. All in all I really am a fan of the Maestrale RS, just wish it would've fit like the Quattro 27 did. Given this, I can't decide if I made a mistake going with the Maestrale RS instead of the Quattro. For the record, footbed is a Sidas 3d Merino, medium arch support.
@@olasving1 the Quattro is 1mm narrower on all sides. So it will be slightly snugger. I have the new quattro pro as well, and it is also a notable stiffer boot over previous quattro and maestrale. My personal favorite of the bunch. Fit is a rabbit hole and there are many factors to consider. You could also go for a thicker liner from intuition if you wanted to keep the same boot.
@@thicccboyztv I actually had an Intuition Pro Tour liner size 27 in my 26,5 Dynafit, which made just enough space for the toes but didn't reduce the volume enough for the rest of my foot and the calves got choked. It didn't work with the Maestrale, my ankles/instep choked, so I sold it together with the Dynafits. And I also hated that liner's tongue and laces, to be honest. Too often tore the tongue off trying to pull it into place. I just don't understand why Scarpa has to make the Maestrale and Quattro fit so differently. Do you know any boots with similar fit to the Quattro? Atomic XTD Ultra 120 felt really nice, I'm just afraid it doesn't ski as good as Maestrale RS.
thanks for this compare, very helpful info. do you think they improved walking range of motion with new model year Maestrale? I have previous Maestrale, and when shop tested Quattro, I was shocked how much more range of motion there was compared to my Maestrale. that been said, I walk up with fairly closed buckles to avoid unnecessary foot movement. I can confirm that Quattro was immediately feeling as lower boot, like lower cuff compared to my Maestrale.
Yes, I feel as though the ROM matches the Quattro as opposed to old maestrale. The cuff pivot joint and shell overlap is identical to Quattro, so the only difference in range of motion that's going to occur is based off of how you buckle either of them
I have not heard that although the Quattro pro is confirmed, which is a 130 plus whatever that means. I think that there is a lot of overlap between the new maestrale and the Quattro so I would be really surprised if they came out with an XT, although anything is possible
The new Maestrale RS is a nice boot, stiff enough for stronger skiers as well but the new instep much lower than the previous Maestrale is a no go for me and many others which have a higher instep. Even trying the boot in a one full shell size larger than what I previously use (normally 28) the 29 is still applying to much pressure on the top of the foot/instep area. Too bad they changed the last and made it lower volume.
@@alltoone while it is upsetting for long time users who got accustomed to a higher volume option, back when the maestrale was newer all the other options were very narrow and very low volume. Now it's the opposite and I think scarpa recognized that. Now almost all boots have pretty accommodating fit overall with brands like dynafit going from making one of the lowest volume narrowest boots to the widest. Tecnicas have moderately high instep, I think Scotts is even higher. In fact this era has the most selection of high volume boots available. If you need even higher try something where you can mold the entire shell like atomics memory fit. Roxa also is high volume instep. Good luck! Dynafit users said the same but opposite going from the tlt 5 and 6 to the 7. 5 and 6 were quite narrow and low volume and the 7 became super high volume and very wide.
You are comparing their stiffness, saying the flex was the same give or take. I found the Quattro XT to essentially not flex at all on snow. And a RS to be quite soft on shop floor 😅
Well I own and ski both boots. I would agree with scarpas statement that RS is 125 and quattro is 130 which could feel the same based on how you buckle. Shop isn't the best indicator. I've had more time on the maestrale since this video skiing inbounds and I don't think anyone except a racer would desire more stiffness than the maestrale offers. If it can handle 190 cm 108 underfoot resort rigs it's not going to have a problem with any touring ski. Like I said the stiffness is going to vary immensely based off of how you buckle. If you crank it tight, it's not going to offer much flex at all.
Thanks! Sounds very Quattro how I remember it. Do you have experience with last year's RS? I am looking for something more 120ish if that makes sense. Cheers
@@danieljakowski7799 I don't have personal experience other than floor test and fitting with it. It definitely is softer, but I think most importantly it fits a lot higher volume than both Quattro and new maestrale. My concern would be that if you have a decent fit in either of those two that the last generation would have too sloppy of a fit, enough that the subjective flex doesn't matter
Yeah I thought so. I have probably the highest instep you could still put in a Quattro. Flex was stiff and abrupt enough to cause boot edge shin bang. I also seem to like a bit more flex to play with. Currenty in Zero Gs but there I am between sizes and this big tendon coming down from the shins gets crushed. 3piece boots seem generally better in that regard, never had this im AT Dynafits. Thanks for your input!
Also, thanks so much for your amazing review, thanks to your feedback about the cable buckles slipping off easily, I no longer consider them as an option.
Thanks so much for the review. How would you compare the maestrale rs to the tecnica g zero in terms of fit and flex? Thanks
@@gregorioa1214 the maestrale has a more defined heel pocket and better lockdown over the instep. I also believe the vertical space in the zero g is taller. It's been a couple years since I've been in a zero g though. The maestrale walks better and is stiffer. The flex profile of the maestrale will feel different depending on how tight you make the booster strap. The zero g will feel more progressive, but it is subtle imo.
Totally agree with you about the ankle strap! It is far more important for heel hold than having two buckles above and below this crucial area!
I've broken the ski/walk mode lever on my older mastrales multiple times and it makes me hesitant to pick them again. Do you think they're sufficiently upgraded?
Scarpa tends to adapt to warranties and refine their products. I have only heard of one breakage on a lever on a quattro and none on the new maestrale.
is the inside boot/liner the same as in the quattro. I tested the normal maestrale's 2024 and I felt the inside boot was too stiff and uncomfortable. I also don't know much about punching etc. So not sure I would not buy them. However, I was wondering if the boot ont he rs is more cushy/comfortable. Let me know your thoughts. I have a bit wider feet. Also, since they have made the boots like one size bigger, does that mean i should order one size bigger than i normally use?
I also tested the fischer ranger 130 whcih are hyper comfortable and also wide for my feet. however, i wonder if i could go ski touring with them, since they are 3.6 kg. they also have a walk mode, but not sure if it is good enough for touring
@@martincarrascoso1053 The inside is based on the same last. The Quattro is 1 mm narrower in all directions. So if you found the maestrale uncomfortable the Quattro will be moreso. Quatro + 1 size is going to be the same size as maestrale as far as length of the shell. The shell fit will be 1mm narrower in all directions.
@@thicccboyztvthanks so much for your fast reply man! I need to grab those bfriday deals hehe
My question was more about the maestrale vs maestrale rs inside liners. But so far, I think I’ll go for the Fischer ranger one bcs they are incredibly comfortable. I wonder how good is their walk mode tho.
How would you compare to your time in the Tecnica Zero G?
phenomenal review thank you
Hey, Have you skied the Zero Gs much? I've been in those forever, but the new style Maetrale actually fits me a bit better. However the cuff of the Maestrale is notably shorter which concerns me. Any thoughts on comparing the two?
@@justinwilcox-b6s scarpa is stiffer and at least for me much more precise fitting. Imo that compensates for the shorter cuff. I skied the zero g's for a couple months. Imprecise heel hold and too much volume over the foot. And less stiff. More progressive feeling though. But not worlds apart.
@@thicccboyztv Have you tried the new version of the Zero G?
Do the maestrales have a full bootboard? Or are the toes just straight on the shell like in the quattro? That and the cuff are my biggest gripes with the quattro, toes get so cold and calf’s cramp when i faceplant 😂
How much does the cuff heights differ? The low cuff of my Quattros are getting on my nerves.
It would just be dependent on the size break and if you were able to gain the next size tongue depending on if you stuck with the same stated size or not. Ie 26 quattro equals 27 maestrale and if it bumps the tongue you gain probably a half cm is my guess
@@thicccboyztv Thanks, appreciated!
Tried on quattro and old maestrale fiew days ago, I was wondering if they brought the amazing walk mode to New maestrale, so this video has perfect timing xd Is there any difference in walking when you compare the Two?
I generally tour with all upper buckles undone and all straps loose and usually only have one midfoot strap done for walking. With the same amount of buckles buckled up ie just the forefoot wave style buckle on the maestrale and the second buckle closest to the heel on the Quattro I find them to walk near frictionless and indistinguishable. The pivot design and cuff overlap is the same as Quattro so it has that same super smooth initial ROM when stuff is unbuckled
Now that you’ve skied the maestrale for a season, how do you like the flex? Do you wish you had the other version? I heard in the previous boot that in the stiffer model, it felt like you were flexing into a wall, not a damp progressive flex. Does the new boot flex progressively or?
To be clear, I've not got to ski this boot a lot because our season kind of never showed up in the Pacific Northwest. However, I do not think that this is a wall type feel, Quattro is more wall like, this is a little more supple. In fact, I actually wish that it had a little more responsive stiffness to it off the top. Ultimately, we are talking about lightweight touring boots so dampness and progressivity are not their strong suits as opposed to heavier boots or boots that are constructed differently, ie lange xt3 tour, roxa r3 130 etc. both of those outright are going to have similar absolute stiffness but going to be way more damp and progressive. However, amongst the lightweight category, I would say that the dampness and progressivity is improving. From what I remember of the old version, I do believe that this one is more progressive.
Do you have any experience with the F1, not the LT version? Any idea how that compares with the new maestrale?
Yes, I owned the original f1 for awhile. This is just a totally different boot. A whole lot stiffer, and better walking, more precise closure. It's just far superior in every way. Fit different too. I remember the f1s having a pretty pointy toe box. This one is more anatomical. Maestrale heavier by a couple hundred grams. F1 also had weirdly aggressive forward leans for a touring boot. Maestrale has aggressive leans that are more comparable to everyone else's boots. Frankly the f1 is due for an update and likely even lighter boots like the f1 xt will outski and outwalk it.
@thicccboyztv good to know, thanks for the details. Yeah I'm definitely regretting the F1 one all but the biggest tours. I'll be very interested in your thoughts on these new ones once you've skied them!
Great review. Did you get a chance to ski-test the new Maestrale? Are they holding up to the expectations?
Yes, our season is off to a slow start but I've been out about 5 times. Love them, no surprises.
Thank you very much. I am also considering Maestrale XT. Do you have any thoughts on them? I am still riding my old Maestrale RS and love them, but I want something stiffer so maybe it is worth going one step farther.
@@tomaszscieplek3760 the fit has gotten slightly lower volume, so if the old fit is dialed for you, the old xt is stiffer than the old RS. The brand new rs is stiffer than both but slightly lower volume.
Thanks for the great review. If I'm a 26.5 in tecnicas, are you thinking that I should size down for the RS given that the shell is bigger?
The fit is different and the liner of the RS is beefier than the tecnica. Overall I'd say maestrale is lower volume. So it depends on where your foot is big. The length on the 26.5 zero g was slightly short for me, but had too much volume in the heel. The maestrale is more appropriate length for me, but is a more secure fit overall. I would go true to size for all day comfort fit or size down for an aggressive fit that may require boot work.
Wow. This is super useful honest review. Thank you. "The GripWalk... It doesn't grip or walk well.." Hahaha..
You talked about the length and flex, but what about the last? I have somewhat narrow and pointy feet, so The Dynafit Radical Free is way too wide for me. The Quattro feels snug/perfect, but I see reviews say the Maestrale are best for wide feet, so I'm really at a loss whether the listed 1mm difference makes them too wide for me.
Also, a size 27 Quattro felt like the perfect size for me. Would a 26 Maestrale really be the proper size?
Sorry, Radical Pro 22/23*.
If the Quattro works for you then the maestrale in the size down would most likely work as well
@@thicccboyztv Update on this if anyone's curious:
I bought a 26 Maestrale RS but ended up switching to a 27. 26 crunched my forefoot a bit and my toes touched the front unless I pushed my shin forward, so I knew the uphill would suck (learned this from my Dynafit boot being just too short). I deemed 26 too small to mold/adapt, so I didn't even try - might've been a mistake.
The 27 feels too wide, so I added the 2mm volume reducer (the 4mm was too much) and the fit is pretty good. Still a tiny bit too wide in the forefoot for my liking on the downhill, but I'm sure it makes the uphill comfier.
The heel is very snug, so I end up getting blisters on the inside heel of both my feet. I've yet to heat mold or punch the shell, but I'll give that a go.
All in all I really am a fan of the Maestrale RS, just wish it would've fit like the Quattro 27 did. Given this, I can't decide if I made a mistake going with the Maestrale RS instead of the Quattro.
For the record, footbed is a Sidas 3d Merino, medium arch support.
@@olasving1 the Quattro is 1mm narrower on all sides. So it will be slightly snugger. I have the new quattro pro as well, and it is also a notable stiffer boot over previous quattro and maestrale. My personal favorite of the bunch. Fit is a rabbit hole and there are many factors to consider. You could also go for a thicker liner from intuition if you wanted to keep the same boot.
@@thicccboyztv I actually had an Intuition Pro Tour liner size 27 in my 26,5 Dynafit, which made just enough space for the toes but didn't reduce the volume enough for the rest of my foot and the calves got choked. It didn't work with the Maestrale, my ankles/instep choked, so I sold it together with the Dynafits.
And I also hated that liner's tongue and laces, to be honest. Too often tore the tongue off trying to pull it into place.
I just don't understand why Scarpa has to make the Maestrale and Quattro fit so differently. Do you know any boots with similar fit to the Quattro? Atomic XTD Ultra 120 felt really nice, I'm just afraid it doesn't ski as good as Maestrale RS.
thanks for this compare, very helpful info. do you think they improved walking range of motion with new model year Maestrale? I have previous Maestrale, and when shop tested Quattro, I was shocked how much more range of motion there was compared to my Maestrale. that been said, I walk up with fairly closed buckles to avoid unnecessary foot movement. I can confirm that Quattro was immediately feeling as lower boot, like lower cuff compared to my Maestrale.
Yes, I feel as though the ROM matches the Quattro as opposed to old maestrale. The cuff pivot joint and shell overlap is identical to Quattro, so the only difference in range of motion that's going to occur is based off of how you buckle either of them
I hear they are releasing a new maestrale xt next year...?
I have not heard that although the Quattro pro is confirmed, which is a 130 plus whatever that means. I think that there is a lot of overlap between the new maestrale and the Quattro so I would be really surprised if they came out with an XT, although anything is possible
Thanks for the review
The new Maestrale RS is a nice boot, stiff enough for stronger skiers as well but the new instep much lower than the previous Maestrale is a no go for me and many others which have a higher instep. Even trying the boot in a one full shell size larger than what I previously use (normally 28) the 29 is still applying to much pressure on the top of the foot/instep area. Too bad they changed the last and made it lower volume.
@@alltoone while it is upsetting for long time users who got accustomed to a higher volume option, back when the maestrale was newer all the other options were very narrow and very low volume. Now it's the opposite and I think scarpa recognized that. Now almost all boots have pretty accommodating fit overall with brands like dynafit going from making one of the lowest volume narrowest boots to the widest. Tecnicas have moderately high instep, I think Scotts is even higher. In fact this era has the most selection of high volume boots available. If you need even higher try something where you can mold the entire shell like atomics memory fit. Roxa also is high volume instep. Good luck! Dynafit users said the same but opposite going from the tlt 5 and 6 to the 7. 5 and 6 were quite narrow and low volume and the 7 became super high volume and very wide.
You are comparing their stiffness, saying the flex was the same give or take. I found the Quattro XT to essentially not flex at all on snow. And a RS to be quite soft on shop floor 😅
Well I own and ski both boots. I would agree with scarpas statement that RS is 125 and quattro is 130 which could feel the same based on how you buckle. Shop isn't the best indicator. I've had more time on the maestrale since this video skiing inbounds and I don't think anyone except a racer would desire more stiffness than the maestrale offers. If it can handle 190 cm 108 underfoot resort rigs it's not going to have a problem with any touring ski. Like I said the stiffness is going to vary immensely based off of how you buckle. If you crank it tight, it's not going to offer much flex at all.
Thanks! Sounds very Quattro how I remember it. Do you have experience with last year's RS? I am looking for something more 120ish if that makes sense. Cheers
@@danieljakowski7799 I don't have personal experience other than floor test and fitting with it. It definitely is softer, but I think most importantly it fits a lot higher volume than both Quattro and new maestrale. My concern would be that if you have a decent fit in either of those two that the last generation would have too sloppy of a fit, enough that the subjective flex doesn't matter
Yeah I thought so. I have probably the highest instep you could still put in a Quattro. Flex was stiff and abrupt enough to cause boot edge shin bang. I also seem to like a bit more flex to play with. Currenty in Zero Gs but there I am between sizes and this big tendon coming down from the shins gets crushed. 3piece boots seem generally better in that regard, never had this im AT Dynafits. Thanks for your input!
@@danieljakowski7799 I'd check out the Dynafit radical pro. It offers a different fit. And also they have the radical if the pro is too stiff.