StarCraft 2: Has' AMAZING Eco Cheese vs ByuN! (Best-of-3)

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  • Best-of-3 series of StarCraft 2 between Has (Protoss) and ByuN (Terran). In this series Has decides to do Has things, as he focuses on an insane Protoss economy, going toe to toe versus ByuN in macro games. I guess we can call this economy cheese?
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  • @helmutalexanderrubiowilson6835
    @helmutalexanderrubiowilson6835 ปีที่แล้ว +120

    Has the mad Sc2 scientist... Has playing early agression= cheese.. Has playing macro= macro cheese xD

    • @cappachino20
      @cappachino20 ปีที่แล้ว +36

      You could call it.... Mac n' cheese 😎

  • @jindrichjochec296
    @jindrichjochec296 ปีที่แล้ว +58

    Lowko randomly backing up the game is becoming a nice tradition now. XD OOoOps, I tried opening the battle report again...

    • @ZDarabos
      @ZDarabos ปีที่แล้ว +3

      We get more content, no complain here. :D

    • @bertpettersson6042
      @bertpettersson6042 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      New feature for our Lowko-bingo. Yay!

  • @BackyardFilms2
    @BackyardFilms2 ปีที่แล้ว +28

    The theory behind no wall at all as toss vs terran is this. A normal wall at one of the ramps only hurts toss because terran has no melee units but toss does. As for the reaper jump location, it is mixed but the argument against is that ends up where the core gets placed which makes it vulnerable to being sniped

  • @DrakeyC
    @DrakeyC ปีที่แล้ว +6

    36:30 - Yes, that IS the lore-accurate answer, actually. To copy from the campaign description for the Orbital Depot update (not the supply depot hat, but the upgrade to construct them instantly):
    "We can now call down supply depots straight from orbit due to our new understanding of protoss architecture. Key point joints have been added to the supply depot's structure, allowing the supply depot to survive the violent turbulence of breaking through an atmosphere. Now an SCV simply has to place a beacon, and the crew on the Hyperion will handle the rest."

  • @matiashamalainen4574
    @matiashamalainen4574 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    Supply depots are "extra" minerals because MULEs only deplete mineral fields faster. You can also have your SCV mine the whole time instead of building if you use them.

  • @phantomsea8987
    @phantomsea8987 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Has is just a a wild card in my opinion, very much looking forward in all his games

  • @Mr.Faoustay
    @Mr.Faoustay ปีที่แล้ว +59

    I know Has is not the best SC2 player. But he plays the game exactly the way he wants, and he just has fun with it. I wouldn't change a thing.

    • @magnusbjarni
      @magnusbjarni ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Has is the type of guy that goes to the casino, says what he has at the poker table and goes all in. And somehow wins half the time.
      He's IMO the most fun player in SC2, cause he doesn't give a f-ck what the other guys are really doing, he just wants to see if his alternative strats work, cause they're fun as hell

    • @jonnmostovoy2406
      @jonnmostovoy2406 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@magnusbjarni agreed! Go Has!

  • @chasefleetfang9542
    @chasefleetfang9542 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Lowko procrastinating on changing the hotkeys for pulling up the Battle Report and ending up rewinding the replay is lowkey kinda hilarious tbh xD

  • @kriegscommissarmccraw4205
    @kriegscommissarmccraw4205 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    Winter has an excellent explanation of why reaper walls are a bad idea.
    Byun also exploits reaperwalls constantly.

    • @nahruz.w3044
      @nahruz.w3044 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      link, source

    • @Vevvev8
      @Vevvev8 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@nahruz.w3044 Don't know where it is, but essentially what he does is he baits out colossi, and then drops into the main base. The colossus can't go up the wall and has to walk around there by cutting off part of the Protoss army.

  • @saranteravatin1641
    @saranteravatin1641 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    This guy is legend made
    Always jaw drop people
    From dark maru to serrel and Raynor
    Has was always my favorite mad man

  • @Runsofourlives
    @Runsofourlives ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Lowko your casts are so entertaining I have trouble staying engaged viewing other casters replays. Looking forward to more exciting action in 2023

  • @liveinamber1307
    @liveinamber1307 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Hello and welcome back to learning with Lowko!
    Here are the facts:
    -Zealots can also do a roll by (although it's not as elegant as the banelings)
    -Mules and supply depos are dropped from orbit thanks to Amazon.

  • @lordlard2833
    @lordlard2833 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Did anyone else notice at 5:44 the zealot killed the widow mine that uncloaked to fire before it died to that very mine?

  • @fayman5717
    @fayman5717 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Amazing match, it was quite entertaining.
    I just love macro cheese as it is a risky strategy for early game especially if you are trying to be as efficient as you can but if you survive long enough you can quickly turn the tide and overwhelm your opponent.
    This volatility is why it is so fun to watch and Byun is really good in prodding its weaknesses which has kept me on the edge of my seat wondering whether Has is gonna flip it.

  • @GhostT696
    @GhostT696 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The Hyperion could be fighting the other races' capital ships, so he would be busy fighting as well

  • @elvin_771
    @elvin_771 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    time to add this cheese to the ladder

  • @jacobsvensson8193
    @jacobsvensson8193 ปีที่แล้ว

    That 2nd game was def one of the highlights on DH Atlanta imo... I remember twitch chat laughing their ass off when he went for that charge rush into 2x forge after how the first game went...

  • @squirrelgray945
    @squirrelgray945 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The Jugglier is like the Joker but has a thing for veins and arteries ;)

  • @aikiseppuku
    @aikiseppuku ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Dont do math in a video, the numbers at 25:00 added up perfectly :D

  • @elvin_771
    @elvin_771 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    FINALLY ANOTHER HAS VIDEO!!

  • @The_Chaosburger
    @The_Chaosburger ปีที่แล้ว

    Lowko: I don't like the placement of these structures. OK, I'm gonna shut up about it.
    Lowko two minutes later: Wouldn't it have been nice if this had been blocked off..OK I'm gonna shut up about it.
    Lowko two minutes later: Ya know, if he hadn't lost those workers...OK I'm gonna shut up about it.

  • @Damaged7
    @Damaged7 ปีที่แล้ว

    Aww man I miss the Shield Battery Immortal Juggle.

  • @John__-ie3od
    @John__-ie3od ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Has expanding like he's using Zerg.

  • @BigBossMar10
    @BigBossMar10 ปีที่แล้ว

    Has had me yelling for an observer the first 2 games. He was getting wrecked by those widow mines.

  • @AwoudeX
    @AwoudeX ปีที่แล้ว

    i heard: 'very quick toilet council'
    xD

  • @Michael-vo3tk
    @Michael-vo3tk ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Has gotta tighten up the game, but the second half of game 2 was just amazing

    • @YoungbloodEric
      @YoungbloodEric ปีที่แล้ว

      yeh theres just too many small mistakes that are really hurting him. Even the second game there were so many miss rallies and none probe movement, and sadly as much as i love disruptors, has killed sooooo many of his own units with them for some reason.

  • @Midnight2630
    @Midnight2630 ปีที่แล้ว

    The extra supply fly from the Orbital CC to the space and fall like a missile in the deposit.

  • @rodrigosinastre7203
    @rodrigosinastre7203 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    21:00, essa sonda deveria ser demitida por justa causa kkkkkk

  • @LostMekkaSoft
    @LostMekkaSoft ปีที่แล้ว

    i am VERY far from being a pro player, but i have a theory for the supply depot hat:
    a mule mines 200 minerals, but it still mines them, so they are not free, because you mine out faster. a supply drop however is totally free. it creates the value of 100 minerals out of thin air. and the lost mining time of an scv building a supply depot may also contribute to the decision. at 21sec build time plus a bit of walking time you lose maybe 20 or 25 minerals of mining.
    so every depot hat gives you two more marines in the ultra lategame when the map is mined out. maybe trading off some growth acceleration for long term sustainability is worth it sometimes? 🤔

  • @EsportsStoryteller
    @EsportsStoryteller ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Has playing anything at all = cheese basically :D

  • @PZMKSD
    @PZMKSD ปีที่แล้ว

    I’m waiting for the new hearthstone Exp to drop today! Long StarCraft games are my savior!!

  • @PotatoMussab
    @PotatoMussab ปีที่แล้ว

    You are turning me into a ByuN fanboy and I welcome it

  • @petrutpaul
    @petrutpaul ปีที่แล้ว

    "Once more, excelent control here by B By Ba Be ... b ... by ByuN" - minute 22:06

  • @kittyflier8338
    @kittyflier8338 ปีที่แล้ว

    Saw this on the Harstem's channel.

  • @MetalMan1245
    @MetalMan1245 ปีที่แล้ว

    Love Has, love ByuN, where's the Florencio games???

  • @imaguy7070
    @imaguy7070 ปีที่แล้ว

    The Protoss Crazy players went from
    Has, to Zest, to hero, to ShowTime, And MAYBE just, MAYbe back to HAS

  • @JoADomingo
    @JoADomingo ปีที่แล้ว

    I think mules come from the same ship the first CC came from haha it probably is still in orbit but maybe just a transport or something not the hyperion

  • @adrianbyg5553
    @adrianbyg5553 ปีที่แล้ว

    You can't ever be hungry in starcraft whit so many cheese

  • @artemirrlazaris7406
    @artemirrlazaris7406 ปีที่แล้ว

    Oracle/ observor.. photoncannon... oracles two of them are great for utility detection like a mini terran scan ,but if it hits you have longer vision, plus it onyl generates value and can do many great things...
    Observor has great observation and can be deployed so its like a static system.
    I htink 2 phoenixes should be a minumum, its really good to ahve utlity units, becasue they are so handy... IE phoenix can lift a siege tank... fro mthe back while you run forward delaying or keeping medivacs away... with their 5+ bonus damage.. so ... its also times two. so they do liek 20 damage to a medivac on a 150 life pol... so 4 phoenixes cna wipe out terran drops really quickly... DT as edge spies for stopping early expansion since most humasn have hte same pattern of moving out, yo ucna sit on spying on expansions... better use of teh hold key, meh.

  • @Ash-fz1sm
    @Ash-fz1sm ปีที่แล้ว

    When playing how do you see what your opponent is building (pre structure completion) or what upgrades their units have? 17:43 for reference.

    • @kaosce
      @kaosce ปีที่แล้ว

      You click on them

  • @Nozdormu1982
    @Nozdormu1982 ปีที่แล้ว

    When Byun almost has had it.

  • @CMF412
    @CMF412 ปีที่แล้ว

    Not knowing about has, and being an idiot about punctuations, I thought this vids title was saying that the game was weighted against Byun.

  • @ivanangeli
    @ivanangeli ปีที่แล้ว

    @Lowko: There is that tournament when BuyN raised to fame as he won, using reapers - can you tell me what was it, so I can google it and watch from start (hopefully the narators will be equally suprised with his play:) I would love to see that tournament, all of his games, from first to finale. Thanks

  • @Panda-cp9cs
    @Panda-cp9cs ปีที่แล้ว

    lowko has there been anything else about soo? i liked his past games since his return they were entertaining

  • @tilmanvogel2387
    @tilmanvogel2387 ปีที่แล้ว

    Title: Has' AMAZING cheese
    Commentary: Yeah, not actually that refined -.-

  • @thelonemadlad
    @thelonemadlad ปีที่แล้ว

    Was this a reupload or something? TH-cam has a red bar saying I already watched it and it’s only been up for two hours? And I just woke up?

  • @almasabey8340
    @almasabey8340 ปีที่แล้ว

    Lowko I dont know these numbers but does it cost more in build time and pulling the scv to build the depo than the mule makes? If so that poses a theory towards build order cause it's more efficient in the early game

  • @vivelempereur8246
    @vivelempereur8246 ปีที่แล้ว

    hello mister lowko :P may you make a video on how effektive drone stacking/ annoying probes with a probes splitting drones etc is
    in wol with 6 probes i can remember it made a 2-3 second difference for a 6 pool id like to hear your answer xD

  • @hyperbolicowl6123
    @hyperbolicowl6123 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hell yeah!

  • @CubeItself
    @CubeItself ปีที่แล้ว +3

    i think the big oof is that Has is going for big eco and forges
    but no photon cannons in the mineral lines at least :p

    • @hivetech4903
      @hivetech4903 ปีที่แล้ว

      Which would make him a Gold leaguer and lose very fast against someone like Byun lol. The build did work, but Has' map awareness and timings are pretty bad compared to top Protoss players.

    • @CubeItself
      @CubeItself ปีที่แล้ว

      @@hivetech4903 i wont judge his awareness or timings based off a single game, i feel like its too nitpicky; after all this is the only cast i've seen him do this build

  • @TritonTv69420
    @TritonTv69420 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    25:07 i will give you a pass here. Its jugular not JUGLIER hahaha. Its ok since english isn't your first language. I will still stay subbed. 😉😉😎😎

  • @thomaschevrierlaliberte5884
    @thomaschevrierlaliberte5884 ปีที่แล้ว

    I hope Taiwan never goes to war. If it does, I hope they never name Has a general. If they do, I hope he doesn't order every soldier to run towards the enemy like those zealots...

  • @TheRogal87
    @TheRogal87 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Wohooooo!

  • @yamilabugattas3895
    @yamilabugattas3895 ปีที่แล้ว

    I think HAS has some really nice ideas, but the execution looks a bit shaky.

  • @CK-ys3tu
    @CK-ys3tu ปีที่แล้ว

    Sorry Lowko… these games were Byunbelivable

  • @HalcyonStarlight
    @HalcyonStarlight ปีที่แล้ว

    Lowkow, please... It's pronounced Jug You Ler. You're welcome.

  • @christopherfunakoshi1272
    @christopherfunakoshi1272 ปีที่แล้ว

    can someone drop the time for when all the Zelots are there?

  • @dominicdo2719
    @dominicdo2719 ปีที่แล้ว

    I see Has I insta click and like cuz I know I'm gonna have a good time

  • @ryanprettyman758
    @ryanprettyman758 ปีที่แล้ว

    Idea: Lowko should answer fan submitted questions during a long Sc2 cast.

  • @spoken_truth2501
    @spoken_truth2501 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Has plays SC2=cheese

  • @russellinator
    @russellinator ปีที่แล้ว

    Cheese = most overused, misused word in SC2.

  • @Panda-cp9cs
    @Panda-cp9cs ปีที่แล้ว

    has not using an observer offensively makes no sense to me

    • @Panda-cp9cs
      @Panda-cp9cs ปีที่แล้ว

      the early game one

  • @sc2youtube744
    @sc2youtube744 ปีที่แล้ว

    I love has. I will always click if has

  • @Kirk.television
    @Kirk.television ปีที่แล้ว

    Let's go

  • @StrigWilson
    @StrigWilson ปีที่แล้ว

    Jeeze man, ads every 2 minutes is a bit absurd :x

  • @hivetech4903
    @hivetech4903 ปีที่แล้ว

    Meh... Byun games always look the same to me. Its hard calling him a macro Terran - I guess he always does macro openers so its true in that sense, but his 3rd is always late, Armory is ALWAYS late and reluctant as he tries to micro his opponent to death lol.

  • @Mstrskeletor89
    @Mstrskeletor89 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Has' nick name should now be "macro-n-cheese"

  • @hopchikichiki6431
    @hopchikichiki6431 ปีที่แล้ว

    Could someone tell me please ! What does “cheese” mean?!

    • @paulenevoldsen841
      @paulenevoldsen841 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Cheese is any unusual strategy that depends on surprising the opponent to gain an advantage

  • @frankwhite2072
    @frankwhite2072 ปีที่แล้ว

    If you could recast the first game, but root for byun instead, that would be eye opening.

  • @Solairz
    @Solairz ปีที่แล้ว

    yeeyee

  • @silvestreneto9508
    @silvestreneto9508 ปีที่แล้ว

    Bro I love protoss, but why they aways loses?

    • @Mstrskeletor89
      @Mstrskeletor89 ปีที่แล้ว

      They dont always lose we've seen quite a few solid protoss wins

    • @silvestreneto9508
      @silvestreneto9508 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Mstrskeletor89 But I mean, they lose more

    • @hivetech4903
      @hivetech4903 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@silvestreneto9508 You're wrong - if you look on aligulac you'll see Protoss is currently the strongest race at tournament level.

  • @byeemobileguardian7612
    @byeemobileguardian7612 ปีที่แล้ว

    Second