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I love how you seamlessly switched from your conversational tone of voice into narration voice at the end 😂. I agree with you on the changes to Chani. They made her into an angry High Schooler. Most of her scenes in Part 2 are unwatchable for me. Gurney is the only one who kind of puts in her place a little. When they’re at the war council, and she says to him this isn’t his fight, and he delivers his “this is all of my business” line. Subtext basically being “you aren’t the only one whose life was ruined by these monsters, stop acting like a child”.
I would still put the mini-series at the top. The relationship between Paul and Chani in that one was the best, and to me that is central to the second half of the story. While Paul was great in the recent movie, I did not for one minute believe the love story between him and Chani. Zendaya spent the whole movie scowling at him.
miniseries often gets criticized because the sets are obviously fake and the lighting. but I dig that it looks like a stage play. but yeah mainly I like it because it is the most faithful to the book. Chalemet and Zendaya however are probably closest agewise to Paul and Chani in the books so it was nice to see younger people portray the character.
@@seanhewitt603 When we meet Paul Atreides he is 15, and small for his age... I'm not sure that Chani's age is revealed to us, but Stilgar referred to their marriage as "a marriage of youth."
The casting for the Villeneuve movies was actually insanely good. Stilgar, Jessica, Leto, all the Harkonnens, Margot Fenring, irulan, PAUL, piter Devries. And actually Gurney and Thuffir too for that matter. Imo all these characters are almost exactly what you imagine when reading the book. Probably only “bad” casting was the emperor
Dune '84 is the perfect rainy Sunday film for me. Saw it when I was 12 so it's sort of a film equivalent of comfort food. As I probably said before the egg and chips of films. I still think the costumes and sets were and still are amazing. The idea of sound guns was a bit wanky but I still enjoy it, the longer cut though. Thanks for the vid
Kenneth McMillan's over the top psycho Baron from the Lynch movie is still one of my guilty pleasures. And it was this movie that introduced me to the great Brad Dourif.
I first saw Brad in alien resurrection. And I’m with you there. I love the new movie and miniseries Baron as far as adaptations go. But I love the original Baron as a screen chewing villain. Plus as much as I hate the heart plugs, I feel like it made the Baron more insane and ruthless than the book version. Though I have a hard time believing he orchestrated the downfall of house Atredies
It's worth it for Barbara Kodetová alone. Not only for Chani's characterization, but her physicality as well. She's not a giant muscle woman, nor should she be (Sean Young was also believable), but I believed she could fight Sardaukar. Zendaya, or anyone with her build, look like they would be destroyed with one good swipe from a Sardaukar arm! And lets not forget Alia as well.
Just imagine. 10 hours of high budget Dune television. Every character from the book. All the intrigue and desert survival scenes. I wanna see people sipping from their catch tubes for cryin out loud. Also more sweat would be realistic.
Agreed! I was thinking the same thing when I ran into your comment. A television show could be so good, especially with Villenueve’s eye/cinematic vision…his movies are always pretty to look at and they all have a mood/tone. It’s what makes his Dune movies so spectacular. I just really like the world he built in the films.
@@khankrum1 The most faithful of the adaptations to date. It lacked the budget to be the epic motion picture which Villeneuve produced, and was no worse in that respect than the Lynch adaptation.
I won't bring up how I feel about Chani's arc in Dune Part 2 but my biggest issue with the deviations is with Alia. She was so pivotal to the conclusion of the book and Dune '84. Which made her "fall" into Abomination so profound in Dune Messiah. I'm very interested in how Denis is going to bring Alia and Chani's threads to where they should be for Part 3.
The SciFi miniseries did a very good job within the limitations of its budget. Chani was a very beautiful girl and the actress who played Alia was absolutely stunning
my fav from narrative point of view is the miniseries, even the extra scenes with Irulan brought something to the table. from the visual and aesthetics point of view, it's the Villeneuve.
one thing i did love about his version is how paul whispers his thoughts to himself, the way most people actually quietly think to themselves. i thought that was a beautiful mood that is missing in the other adaptations
It's quite common to have a protagonist's inner thoughts. But in this film we hear the thoughts of everyone adding to the Shakespearian feel to it all.
Thanks so much for this, comparing the different adaptations is such an interesting conversation. I really enjoyed Oscar and Timothy as Leto and Paul, they nailed it. Nothing will ever top Patrick Stewart as Gurney Halleck though 😂
I like the spice diver edit, but I’m not a fan of some of the choices they made on the movie making side, and my one nitpick of the spice diver edit was that the scene with Mohiam chastising Jessica for having a son should’ve ended with Paul coming in when she said he was there
You are absolutely correct about the mini-series being the most well adapted version of the book. I love the way it almost looks like an expensive theater production with its sets and back drops. The 1984 version is the guiltiest of pleasures. It its not very close to the books in so many ways, but I still love the characters and the inner monologues. Dune part 1 is fantastic, it would have been perfect with a bit more fleshing out of the spacing guild as well as mentats. Paul speaking before council toward the end of part 2 is probably my favorite part. Timothe was so powerful and the language rolls off his tongue so naturally. I've already gone on and on about Chani in Part 2, I personally really like Chani in the miniseries best. She develops that close bond with Jessica which I feel is important for the ending to be done properly. I can't wait to see Messiah, if only in morbid fascination to see how he brings this all back together. However, I admit that I'm prepared to be disappointed.
Remember that the main character of Dune is not Paul Atredies. The main Character of Dune is the Dune universe. In that, Lynch's version stands head and shoulders in creating a sense of that culture and political interplay.
Hi! Came here from Quinn's page. I actually enjoy the Lynch version, particularly the scene where Lady Jessica and Paul escape from the Harkonens. When Paul, uses the Voice "Remover her gag"... was well acted, you can see him struggling to be effective. And, I absolutely love the elegant way Lady Jessica uses the Voice, "There's no need to fight over me"... "Release my son's bonds". So, cool and in control. As opposed to the barking of orders to their captors the character did in the latest movie. I also enjoyed the way the Lynch version displayed their inner thoughts and reasoning. And the costuming in the Lynch version was just slamming! 😄
The DV films captured the world the best (out of our options. It still did an atrocious job with the emperor and the fremen) but Lynch's dune actually made me feel something deep that none of Villeneuve's vanity Dune films did, especially the Spicediver cut, so ill go with Lynch. Also, TOTO
What they did with Paul’s character: -Lynch(84 Film): Basically an adapted version of King David or King Arthur -Harrison/Yaitanes(Mini-series): Made Paul as close to the books As live action media on TV can make possible. -Villeneuve: Starts with book accurate Paul, ends with new version with Paul, like the variants are from their original characters, in the Multiverse saga from the MCU.
Really fantastic points about key character's motivations diverging from Dune 1 and 2. I hadn't considered it that closely, but you're absolutely correct. It DOESN'T make sense. This also makes me somewhat wary about Dune 3, because I feel like rather than try to maintain motivational consistency/character arcs, they'll simply pick whatever works best for 3 in isolation.
I agree. I recently found my DVD copy of the Scifi version and love it. Dv's astetic was beautiful but the key change to some character are hard to accept.
The Villeneuve films, especially the first film, are my favourite as they got me interested in the Duniverse. I totally agree about the deviation from the book in part two re who decided the Atreides had to go, although I wonder if DVN changed it from Shaddam to RM Mohiam because she was a character we knew and were familiar with as opposed to the emperor who was hardly in the second film. I love Christopher Walken as an actor but I question whether he was the right choice for Shaddam IV, IMHO Jose Ferrer and Giancarlo Giannini each brought more to the role. But yeah, each adaptation has its strengths and faults.
I first read Dune in high school when I was 14 and fell in love with it. The adaptions that have come since are a mixed bag for sure. If I were to rate them it would be the mini series first, Villeneuve's Dune part One second and David Lynch's Dune movie from the 80's third. Dune part 2 is so greatly altered from the book version I hate it to be honest. It feels like a bait and switch from Villeneuve. As if he thought if I can get the Dune fans in to see the first movie, get it a big box office, then they will let me do what I want to do with the movies pushing forward. Breaking it down though: Dune story adaption: 1: SciFi Mini series 2: Dune Part One 3: Lynch's Dune (Making it rain at the end was ridiculous, but supposedly not Lynch's idea) As I visualised the book in my head: 1: Lynch's Dune 2: Mini series 3: Dune Part One Quality of visuals: 1: Dune Part One 2: Lynch's Dune 3: Mini series (how many times did the same warehouse scene blow up, lol?) Character authenticity from the book: 1: Mini Series 2: Lynch's Dune (Again other than Paul being able to make it rain) 3: Dune Part One (other than Duncan, he finally gets the screen time he deserves) Faithfulness to the books lore: 1: Mini Series 2: Lynch's Dune 3: Dune Part One
I can’t remember what drew me to the 2021 Dune. But I fell in love with it personally. The immersion of costumes, sets and locations. The quiet atmosphere, though slightly annoying when I already have bad tinnitus and Jack up the volume to hear then scurry to crank it back down when the chanting or explosions start 😆 But in all seriousness, I bought a paperback set for my birthday this year and I’m still working on it. I waited forever for part 2 to come out in theaters and took one of my roommates to see it. I waited until it was out on Amazon just so I could watch it again! I discovered Elaine and Quinn’s channel’s and are my favorites for lore and news. So far Dune is in the biggest inspirations for my own writing.
5:03 This is my angry look. Oh wait no, this is my worried look. Hold up hold up, this my I'm irritated look. Well actually this is my I'm in deep thought look. Yes, that's the one...
Denis Villeneuve's second movie deviated so much from the source material that I don't count his version as a good one anymore. The definitive version is the miniseries followed by Lynch's version and then Villeneuve. It's sad because I had high hopes for his version. When I saw who was cast as Emperor I started having doubts. Although the actor was about the correct age Shaddam is described as looking around 35, having red hair and a beard. Walken did not look the part. The Emperor is supposed to be the spitting image of Duke Leto. The fact that the Spacing Guild was not included and that the Great Houses did not accept Paul as Emperor also did not make sense.
The arc of Villeneuve's is better than Lynch's still. In Lynch's Paul literally becomes a Messiah figure who magically brings rain when he wins. He becomes a Messiah in the way a Messiah is supposed to be, not the Dune version where it's actually subversive. Villeneuve understands the message better, while Lynch was more willing to let the strangeness of the world come forward. With that said, the miniseries is the best of all, with the exception of visuals obviously. It understands the message and the universe and does both well.
I am so engrossed in reading Frank's books, that I have lost interest in the upcoming movie adaptation of Messiah. I am very surprised at this development, but it looks like my old passion for bookreading is back in force!
I loved the David Lynch version of Dune over the series, mainly because it fitted with how I visualized the books in my head. I'd love to see that film reedited with the shields from Denis Villeneuve's films. keep the Nerdy flag flying.
Agreed. Lynch's Bene Gesserit (including Alia there since she dresses like them) are 100% iconic and book accurate. Lynch's military uniforms are stunning and for the time it came out the still suits look great too. I think Dune 1984 won an Oscar for costume design so yeah, that team/Lynch hit that out of the park!
Thank you for making this. Its been around four decades since I read the book. About two decades since I watched the mini-series. I am curious to know how much CG was actually used in the latest iterations. Part one was definitely the stronger of the two. I knew Chani was different in this one I just didn't realize how much until watching your video due to the passage of time for me.
The Mini-Series was 100% the most faithful. Villanueve's was probably the absolute best you could expect from a massive budget Hollywood blockbuster. Lynch's version kinda felt similar the situation that Starship Troopers went through where the studio had the rights to use the IP so slapped some names on an entirely different story while making some superficial and loosely connected parallel's to the book. It's not bad, it just would have been better as it's own thing.
I first watched the Deni Part 1 and later read the books. Now Frank Herbert's Dune is my favourite Sci-Fi story of all time and both Deni's part 1 and 2 are some of my favourite movies
The lack of guild reps and tying spice to the worms kind of ruined the new Dune. I would put the series 1, and Lynch's at 2. The series did a ton of great work on a tv budget . The Lynch was kind of overdone in spots, but you have to admire the amazing set designs---and they had the navigator scene. Not saying the latest version was bad at all, it just had a lot of things that didn't really fit for me. It's like Lord of the Rings---the PJ version was the gold standard for sure, but I keep going back to the animated versions on VHS from the 70's as well.
Good video. Here's a quick rundown of who I thought was best based mainly on how close their character was to the character as described in the books. I only picked about a half dozen of the top characters: Paul - Chalamet Duke Leto - Oscar Issac Lady Jessica - Francesca Annis Baron Harkonnen - Ian McNeice Chani - Barbora Kodetova Piter - Brad Durif Gurney - 50/50 between Patrick Stewart and P.H. Moriarty (Brolin was good, but he just seemed too pissed off all the time - the book version had moments of humor and whimsy that didn't come across in Brolin's version). Just my opinions, of course.
Hands down 1984. I mean, there is simply no match for the monumental moment when Gurney Halleck charges into battle clutching the Atreides war pugs . . . .
Glad that the SyFy mini-setirs got some love. The effects are "budget" constrained, but aside from that, the casting & performances were excellent across the board - save Hurt & The Duke (ehich I always thought was a producers' driven requirement to attach a big name). Both film versions have their strengths, but Villeneuve's cinematography is stunning. Variety is as theyvsay, the spice of life
Okay first off I'm like you I like all of the adaptations because they all bring something unique and something that was missing in the other adaptations.. ... But I have a guilty pleasure towards the 1984 David Lynch version. Partially because I saw the movie before reading the book as a kid. And I thought visually I'd never seen anything like this. I loved the score and when I think of the spacing guild I automatically think of the senior mentioned where the guild meet the emperor. You are correct that it's not in the book however it could easily have been in the book.... And one of my favorite lines in cinema history I won't lie.... "I did not say this, I was not here..." But overall I totally agree with your assessment.
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I definitely agree Jason as Duncan was one of my favourite aspectanhis sacrifice scene was my best scene of part 1 besides the bagpipes (THAT was my favourite scene of part 1)
This is great - I was reading the second Dune novel for the first time when the David Lynch movie came out and I love it. I love the newest ones too, for different reasons, but the Lynch one still has a place in my heart despite how it differs from the novels. I've never seen the mini-series but I recently re-read all six novels and I'm interested in seeing what Denis Villeneuve does with Dune Messiah. I agree with you about the way Margot Fenring was used to represent the way the Bene Gesserit influence people - it was a clever little scene. I just wish Thufir's scenes had been included and I also wish they'd included the scenes with Hasimir Fenring...but you can't have everything I guess.
Denis did his cinematic skills a disservice by deviating from the original story and exposed his storytelling weaknesses. Adding to it by devoting time to Gideon Prime is not the same as deviating, hence being the best part of his adaptation. But Lynch is king, mini series is crown Prince. Timothy tried, but I couldn't shake the feeling that him and Zendaya were riding worms to the mall.
I personally love the mini series best when it comes to accuracy but you were correct that each film has its own charm and cast favorites think what the mini series would have been like if they had the big theatre budget. It to me comes down to Alia I love the character in the book and Denis under developed her hopefully its corrected in the next film.
I agree 100% the Mini-Series Chani was my favorite as well; Duke Leto was surprisingly weak and phoned in considering it was William Hurt. I put the mini-series ahead on much of the list BUT look and budget. Yes, Villeneuve did the most visually appealing part of the Dune remakes. It's all well and good to Bring something new to the table I agree that is a good thing but when you change fundamental aspects for silliness like "Giving Chani Agency", then you really missed a heck of a lot about the books IMO.
Butler's Feyd embodies the idea of Feyd and Paul as parallels, as Feyd as another option that the Bene Gesserit were looking at. By virtue of that it means that Feyd is different, because he has to be. In the book Feyd felt like a nervous talker, he felt like he was stalling for time before the Kanly with Paul started but Austin Butler's interpretation felt like more of a genuine fighter....Part of that being owed to the fact that the undrugged Atreides fighter in the pit wasn't part of his own machinations. I would have kept some of the scheming and sneaking in the last fight though, specifically the fact that *Both of them* went into it with poison-coated knives, it drags home the "We win by being Harkonnen" idea and the symbolism you can have with both of them using two blades is better.
I have my own thoughts on the whole plan in general. When the spacing guild got word of the Harkonen plan and the emperor’s involvement, they sent an envoy to tell them that Paul must die, but she was trying to manipulate things like saying that Paul and Jessica were under her protection knowing the Baron wouldn’t keep his word on the matter since she had personal dealings with him in the past. And she would be able to tell he was lying. Idk, I hope they explain more in messiah. Because I think Mohiam did want to protect Jessica, but was also prepared to sacrifice the bloodline should they lose control since Jessica already disobeyed the sisterhood by having Paul. That already told Mohiam the Atreides were a liability, so she would advise the emperor to help the Baron. I think Mohiam also became more absolute once the word of Muad’Dib started circulating. But as she says, ultimately there are no sides. Yes she advised the emperor to make a move, but she also provided Jessica with the missionaria protectiva
Ah, the Missionaria Protectiva, as I understand from the Frank Herbert novels, was a branch of the Bene Gesserit specializing in preparing cultures to be influenced by and protect other Bene Gesserit who would follow later... Bene Gesserit plans and plots are generations in their execution.
I personally like all 3 adaptations for different reasons. All are products of their time and each chooses to focus on different elements from the novel. It is always important to remember that this story was conceived, written and produced for print, not cinema. As such, there will always be shortcomings in a film version.
I loved the 84 movie and I really loved the new films…the world Villenueve built. I’ve heard nothing but good things about the miniseries, but I haven’t seen it.
In many ways how most people seem to react to the various adaptations spings from what their introduction to Dune was. I had read the Frank Herbert novels back in the late 70's, and approach all of the adaptations in comparison to the true quill of the author.
The Sfi Fi version of the Baron was easily the most book-accurate. On the whole, the mini series is still my favourite. You just have to ignore the hats.
You make an important point regarding how much time Villeneuve had/has to tell his story. For that reason, and the advances in cinema technologies and funding I too would place the mini series first but Lynch second, Dune Part One third. And the latest installment dead last for many of the reasons you also alluded too. Lynch and others achieved far more visually with the resources available to them. And yes, all are guilty of deviating or adding to the source material. It does make me fear of what Dune Messiah and Prophecy will do for integrity of Frank Herbert’s legacy, but I’ll still pay to see.
I’ve been kinda here and there with Feyd and the gom jabbar. But he was still a prospect, and therefore had to be subjected to the gom jabbar. After all the true test is crisis and observation. They had to see if the bloodline was worth preserving. And if he died, Margot would be able to slip out before anyone would know. Though that probably would cause him to go after the sisterhood. Idk, some changes don’t bother me as much since you can chalk it up to the plans within plans within plans
The SyFy channel version is the most accurate. I like all of the versions for their unique takes on the Dune universe. Everyone should watch Frank Herbert’s take on “artistic license “🖖🏽
Wooo mini series Master Race! Btw what happened to your epic voice performance? It was the most ideal info expose tone ever, hope you didnt entirely ditch it *. *
When I imagine Dune, I imagine the Sci Fi version of it. That's my cast in my head. Except for count Fenring. Oddly enough, I cast Kyle Maclachlan as that guy. And Jeremy Irons as Thufir Hawat.
I actually really like the costumes from the mini-series, had a very European, Moebius style for a lot of the costumes, very baroque and feudal, like a shakesperean play. Justice for Count Fenring too!
I've never read the books but im looking forward to what Denis comes up with for the 3rd film although i have a feeling it will be the most different than the source material because the book goes WAY out there according to the truncation videos I've watched. I doubt highly Denis will go where Frank Hebert did with worm kids and whatnot. I love the Lynch version and it's a favorite of me and my dad's. I haven't watched the mini series and I ABSOLUTELY love Denis' version. I'm going to watch Dune Prophecy despite the bad reviews I've heard.
In my head, Denny's interpretation is what I picture in my head when I read the books, Lynch's Pietre is what I picture for the scenes he's around in. (Actually it's a hybrid mix between the two actors for the movies, I love them both) Sorry Sir Patrick Stewart... You're no longer my Gurney 😂
All the adaptations have elements to recommend them. Lynch's 1984 version has some incredible actors, a sound track that has become legendary (I especially enjoy Brian Eno's ethereal Prophecy theme, and Toto's music for the film is also very well regarded), and some timeless practical effects for the Sandworms. Denis Villeneuve's version is the most cinematic and is at times mesmerising to experience. The Sci Fi miniseries is the most faithful of the adaptations that cleaves closest to Frank Herbert's original vision and has the best translation of most of the characters from page to screen. Equally, all versions have their flaws. The 1984 version is at times a confused narrative and takes extreme liberties with the plotline and world building of Dune, like the odd concept of the 'weirding module' sonic weapons and 'killing words' replacing the Weirding Way from the books which was a martial art based upon Bene Gesserit Prana Bindu muscle control techniques, and most egregiously at the end of the movie Paul creating rain ex nihilo by a literal magical miracle, which has nothing to do with his abilities from the books. Villeneuve's version similarly takes liberties with the source material, but in some ways even more damaging ones. Leaving the Spacing Guild out of the narrative almost entirely is a mystifying creative choice that tears gaping holes in the world building of Dune. Perhaps even worse, we see a rewrite of the Fremen and characters like Paul, Chani, Jessica and Stilgar to all appearances in the name of crudely hammering home the point about the dangers of charismatic leaders from the books in a far less nuanced way that Herbert's own writing went about exploring the topic, because the movie writers apparently think the general audience is too stupid and oblivious to get the point if it isn't hammered into their skull with a pile driver. Add in a seeming desire to rewrite Chani in particular in a misguided bid to try to make her character supposedly more suited to a 'modern audience' (since some parties wrongly believe that Herbert's version of Chani was 'boring', 'weak' and 'submissive' - when she was none of those things - and are conceited enough to think they have the skill and the right to 'fix' Herbert's work) and the problems with this version of Dune become evident, as does the likelihood that any future 'Dune Part 3' will deviate even further from the source material than Part 2 did, given the status quo left at the end of the second movie. The Sci Fi miniseries makes a few relatively minor deviations from the lore (like Irulan being present at the dinner scene in Arrakeen and meeting Paul earlier than she did in the book), and some of the casting is a bit off, but its biggest problem is its relatively shoestring budget and wonky early 2000s CGI that hasn't aged especially well (though in all honesty I consider those last two points but minor cosmetic flaws given the overall faithfulness to the source material of the miniseries adaptation). I have seen and enjoyed them all, though like Elaine the Sci Fi miniseries remains my clear favourite despite its budgetary limitations.
i must agree that the mini series is the best, the one thing i dislike about the latest adaption is that Paul leading the fremen only took six months and that Chanie did not trust Paul
I love the mini-series - I find it easier to think of that Paul as a flawed, false prophet. The houses, history, and factions seem richer and fill out the world better. And best Alia...! The young actress totally rocked the psycho child homunculus thing.
Both film Barons annoy the hell out of me. One is too crazed to be a match for Leto, even with the Emperor's help and his twisted mentats. The other is dull, boring, bland. The TV version is pretty close. Ian McNiece if anything gets better in the second series
The best adaptation to me is the 2000 miniseries. Incredible the level of detail they accomplished in 5 hours. That completely invalidates the argument that the movies didn’t have “enough time”.
I agree with you that the mini-series I had the best Chani. The Lynch version had the best visuals. I really love all three versions. Overall I have to go with Villeneuve’s.
I think Villeneuve's movies are the best of the three screen experiences, though I've never seen the whole mini-series (I've started it twice). Villeneuve's version had at least half an hour more time than the mini-series; so, I don't think "having enough time" is an issue. But he was confined to making a cinematic experience. And as such it succeeds resoundingly. But, as a faithful adaptation of a very idea-first, pensive novel (with some action here and there), I assume the mini-series wins by a mile.
I was an 80s kid. 1984 Dune was my introduction. I didn't read the book until 1995. I remember liking it, but not enough to continue with the series. My only criticism with the movie was that it was slowly paced. I didn't watch the Sci-Fi Channel miniseries until the new movie came out. I ordered thd DVD and eventually got the new bluray box set. Glad I did. I love Children of Dune even more than the first one. Dune: Part One got me to reread the book and continue with the series. Love all six books. I like both movies. I'm more forgiving when it comes to adaptation. As long as the movie is entertaining and gets me to read the book. I'm looking forward to Dune Prophecy. With the downfall of Star Wars, it's time for another great Sci-Fi series to take the spotlight. For me, it’s Dune, Foundation, Three Body Problem, and shows like that.
Who did it best. That's subjective and from my perspective neither did the books well enough to call either best. The only thing certain is Villeneuve's version was hyped through the roof to where no one can talk against it.
The fact that Denis Vellenueve won't release the deleted scenes just makes him a wanker in my eyes. Nobody would know who Denis Vellenueve is if he didn't get the rights to use the Dune IP and the characters of the Dune universe. So for him to deny Dune fans (many of them fans for 40-50 years) the deleted scenes of their beloved characters because... Wait for it.... According to Denis, he is a surgeon when he edits his movies. Removed scenes are cut and lost forever. Yeah. No wonder nobody gives a shit about this guy if he isn't using Dune material to work from. He's just a pretentious artsy fartsy clown. Lynch released every deleted scene. Lynch turned down making Return of the Jedi and was already nominated for Best Picture Oscars before directing Dune... Mind you, his pictures (before and after Dune) were all his original ideas. As in, he wrote the scripts and came up with every idea. Denis' second best movie is a sequel to Blade Runner (again, just using an IP). Outside of that he has no career at all.
The Mini-Series of Dune & Children of Dune are still my fav, and I love how Emperor Battle for Dune was inspired by the David Lynch film and introducing the non-Canon House Ordos. I only like the Thopters from the new Dune and that's it not a fan of what was done with Chani, Dr, Kynes or the changes to House Harkkonen and the absence of Alia.
I liked all of them but, I choose Lynch's version for best acting. (there were some truly great actors in it), Harrison's (SyFy 2000) version for being closest to the book, and Villeneuve's version for the cinematography. (what a beautiful film, eye candy)
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I love how you seamlessly switched from your conversational tone of voice into narration voice at the end 😂. I agree with you on the changes to Chani. They made her into an angry High Schooler. Most of her scenes in Part 2 are unwatchable for me. Gurney is the only one who kind of puts in her place a little. When they’re at the war council, and she says to him this isn’t his fight, and he delivers his “this is all of my business” line. Subtext basically being “you aren’t the only one whose life was ruined by these monsters, stop acting like a child”.
Jodorowsky's dune directed by Alfonso Cuaron and Ged Clarke as prodution designer would've been a great one off movie
Lynch for the Aesthetic, SyFy for the lore, latest rendition for the spectacle. They all have their place.
I agree 100%.
I would still put the mini-series at the top. The relationship between Paul and Chani in that one was the best, and to me that is central to the second half of the story. While Paul was great in the recent movie, I did not for one minute believe the love story between him and Chani. Zendaya spent the whole movie scowling at him.
miniseries often gets criticized because the sets are obviously fake and the lighting. but I dig that it looks like a stage play. but yeah mainly I like it because it is the most faithful to the book. Chalemet and Zendaya however are probably closest agewise to Paul and Chani in the books so it was nice to see younger people portray the character.
Quality and care over youth and budget, I say
Timmi is Way too Tall to be Paul.
@@seanhewitt603 When we meet Paul Atreides he is 15, and small for his age... I'm not sure that Chani's age is revealed to us, but Stilgar referred to their marriage as "a marriage of youth."
Agreed with your assessment.
Each adaptation had its own merits
Exactly. I like to picture different elements from the movies when l read the book
Though some had fewer merits than the others... And none were without issue.
The casting for the Villeneuve movies was actually insanely good. Stilgar, Jessica, Leto, all the Harkonnens, Margot Fenring, irulan, PAUL, piter Devries. And actually Gurney and Thuffir too for that matter. Imo all these characters are almost exactly what you imagine when reading the book. Probably only “bad” casting was the emperor
Dune '84 is the perfect rainy Sunday film for me. Saw it when I was 12 so it's sort of a film equivalent of comfort food. As I probably said before the egg and chips of films. I still think the costumes and sets were and still are amazing. The idea of sound guns was a bit wanky but I still enjoy it, the longer cut though. Thanks for the vid
Although the original 1984 release is my favorite, the 2001 mini series was well done, in-depth and faithful to the spirit of Herbert's work.
Kenneth McMillan's over the top psycho Baron from the Lynch movie is still one of my guilty pleasures. And it was this movie that introduced me to the great Brad Dourif.
I first saw Brad in alien resurrection. And I’m with you there. I love the new movie and miniseries Baron as far as adaptations go. But I love the original Baron as a screen chewing villain. Plus as much as I hate the heart plugs, I feel like it made the Baron more insane and ruthless than the book version. Though I have a hard time believing he orchestrated the downfall of house Atredies
That performance was great. Definitely not how I pictured the Baron though.
It's worth it for Barbara Kodetová alone. Not only for Chani's characterization, but her physicality as well. She's not a giant muscle woman, nor should she be (Sean Young was also believable), but I believed she could fight Sardaukar. Zendaya, or anyone with her build, look like they would be destroyed with one good swipe from a Sardaukar arm!
And lets not forget Alia as well.
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I love the newest Dune films. I wish Paul and Chani’s relationship and the portrayal of Lady Jessica were different but otherwise a good movie.
Yea, they only missed the entire point of the book, but otherwise great. I guess you’re a Rings of Power fan too?
They only missed the entire point of the book, otherwise great.
Villeneuve's adaptation did no favors to the major female characters of Frank Herbert.
They did Stilgar dirty, too. 😢
@@jennabronson4704 Indeed they did. When Stilgar became yet another of Paul's Accolytes, Paul lost his last friend...
Each Dune book needs a 10 episode season with a 20 million dollar budget per episode. So much is lost in the shorter movie format.
Just imagine. 10 hours of high budget Dune television. Every character from the book. All the intrigue and desert survival scenes. I wanna see people sipping from their catch tubes for cryin out loud. Also more sweat would be realistic.
Agreed! I was thinking the same thing when I ran into your comment. A television show could be so good, especially with Villenueve’s eye/cinematic vision…his movies are always pretty to look at and they all have a mood/tone. It’s what makes his Dune movies so spectacular. I just really like the world he built in the films.
After Villeneuve’s Messiah, we NEED the rest of the books as an anime. These books would definitely be best as a very stylized anime!
Love the mini series.
I also enjoyed the Children of Dune and Messiah.
I was certainly the nearest to the book!
SyFy
It was very strong on story and acting.
@@khankrum1 The most faithful of the adaptations to date. It lacked the budget to be the epic motion picture which Villeneuve produced, and was no worse in that respect than the Lynch adaptation.
I won't bring up how I feel about Chani's arc in Dune Part 2 but my biggest issue with the deviations is with Alia. She was so pivotal to the conclusion of the book and Dune '84. Which made her "fall" into Abomination so profound in Dune Messiah. I'm very interested in how Denis is going to bring Alia and Chani's threads to where they should be for Part 3.
The SciFi miniseries did a very good job within the limitations of its budget. Chani was a very beautiful girl and the actress who played Alia was absolutely stunning
Alia was 1000/1000. She crushed that role on every level!!? ❤❤❤
my fav from narrative point of view is the miniseries, even the extra scenes with Irulan brought something to the table.
from the visual and aesthetics point of view, it's the Villeneuve.
Lynchs Dune was my gateway drug LOL and I do appreciate the background it laid out which wasn’t given by the newest version.
The Lynch version. No question, the man's an artist. Bring in that floating fat man.
one thing i did love about his version is how paul whispers his thoughts to himself, the way most people actually quietly think to themselves. i thought that was a beautiful mood that is missing in the other adaptations
It's quite common to have a protagonist's inner thoughts. But in this film we hear the thoughts of everyone adding to the Shakespearian feel to it all.
Thanks so much for this, comparing the different adaptations is such an interesting conversation.
I really enjoyed Oscar and Timothy as Leto and Paul, they nailed it.
Nothing will ever top Patrick Stewart as Gurney Halleck though 😂
Thanks for the support! Agreed on Patrick Stewart ♥️
I love David Lynches version.
I watch it every five years or so.
Every five months from me. One of my favorite movies ever.
Now this video is a good way to start out my 44th birthday day! Shout out to all you beautiful people from Texas
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Happy birthday from the Rust belt!
@@MrLivewire1970 Happy Birthday from Dixie...
love your vids!
Well found comparison and criticism like this are your enduring strength, Elaine. Keep up the good work.
The 84 lynch adaptation is the best and the spicediver cut on TH-cam is the best rendition
The Spicediver cut is the definitive David Lynch version. It expanded the lore and made things a lot clearer.
I like the spice diver edit, but I’m not a fan of some of the choices they made on the movie making side, and my one nitpick of the spice diver edit was that the scene with Mohiam chastising Jessica for having a son should’ve ended with Paul coming in when she said he was there
I feel like I've watched this SPICEDIVER cut, but really need to see it again, as I love Lynch's original, a lot.
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Well, it was. Until people started talking about it. Now it seems to be gone.
lynch adaptation is a clown show 😂
You are absolutely correct about the mini-series being the most well adapted version of the book. I love the way it almost looks like an expensive theater production with its sets and back drops. The 1984 version is the guiltiest of pleasures. It its not very close to the books in so many ways, but I still love the characters and the inner monologues.
Dune part 1 is fantastic, it would have been perfect with a bit more fleshing out of the spacing guild as well as mentats. Paul speaking before council toward the end of part 2 is probably my favorite part. Timothe was so powerful and the language rolls off his tongue so naturally. I've already gone on and on about Chani in Part 2, I personally really like Chani in the miniseries best. She develops that close bond with Jessica which I feel is important for the ending to be done properly. I can't wait to see Messiah, if only in morbid fascination to see how he brings this all back together. However, I admit that I'm prepared to be disappointed.
Remember that the main character of Dune is not Paul Atredies.
The main Character of Dune is the Dune universe.
In that, Lynch's version stands head and shoulders in creating a sense of that culture and political interplay.
Hi! Came here from Quinn's page. I actually enjoy the Lynch version, particularly the scene where Lady Jessica and Paul escape from the Harkonens. When Paul, uses the Voice "Remover her gag"... was well acted, you can see him struggling to be effective. And, I absolutely love the elegant way Lady Jessica uses the Voice, "There's no need to fight over me"... "Release my son's bonds". So, cool and in control. As opposed to the barking of orders to their captors the character did in the latest movie. I also enjoyed the way the Lynch version displayed their inner thoughts and reasoning. And the costuming in the Lynch version was just slamming! 😄
The DV films captured the world the best (out of our options. It still did an atrocious job with the emperor and the fremen) but Lynch's dune actually made me feel something deep that none of Villeneuve's vanity Dune films did, especially the Spicediver cut, so ill go with Lynch.
Also, TOTO
What they did with Paul’s character:
-Lynch(84 Film): Basically an adapted version of King David or King Arthur
-Harrison/Yaitanes(Mini-series):
Made Paul as close to the books
As live action media on TV can make possible.
-Villeneuve: Starts with book accurate Paul, ends with new version with Paul, like the variants are from their original characters, in the Multiverse saga from the MCU.
Really fantastic points about key character's motivations diverging from Dune 1 and 2. I hadn't considered it that closely, but you're absolutely correct. It DOESN'T make sense. This also makes me somewhat wary about Dune 3, because I feel like rather than try to maintain motivational consistency/character arcs, they'll simply pick whatever works best for 3 in isolation.
My biggest concern with Part 3 is how they're going to bring Chani's character back into the fold.
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I agree. I recently found my DVD copy of the Scifi version and love it. Dv's astetic was beautiful but the key change to some character are hard to accept.
I really like the 1984 fan edit that is here on TH-cam. It would be interesting to hear a deep dive into that version.
They will be using the sandworm riding sequence in part 2 in film schools for years to come. Awesome.
The Villeneuve films, especially the first film, are my favourite as they got me interested in the Duniverse. I totally agree about the deviation from the book in part two re who decided the Atreides had to go, although I wonder if DVN changed it from Shaddam to RM Mohiam because she was a character we knew and were familiar with as opposed to the emperor who was hardly in the second film. I love Christopher Walken as an actor but I question whether he was the right choice for Shaddam IV, IMHO Jose Ferrer and Giancarlo Giannini each brought more to the role. But yeah, each adaptation has its strengths and faults.
I first read Dune in high school when I was 14 and fell in love with it. The adaptions that have come since are a mixed bag for sure. If I were to rate them it would be the mini series first, Villeneuve's Dune part One second and David Lynch's Dune movie from the 80's third. Dune part 2 is so greatly altered from the book version I hate it to be honest. It feels like a bait and switch from Villeneuve. As if he thought if I can get the Dune fans in to see the first movie, get it a big box office, then they will let me do what I want to do with the movies pushing forward.
Breaking it down though:
Dune story adaption:
1: SciFi Mini series
2: Dune Part One
3: Lynch's Dune (Making it rain at the end was ridiculous, but supposedly not Lynch's idea)
As I visualised the book in my head:
1: Lynch's Dune
2: Mini series
3: Dune Part One
Quality of visuals:
1: Dune Part One
2: Lynch's Dune
3: Mini series (how many times did the same warehouse scene blow up, lol?)
Character authenticity from the book:
1: Mini Series
2: Lynch's Dune (Again other than Paul being able to make it rain)
3: Dune Part One (other than Duncan, he finally gets the screen time he deserves)
Faithfulness to the books lore:
1: Mini Series
2: Lynch's Dune
3: Dune Part One
I can’t remember what drew me to the 2021 Dune. But I fell in love with it personally. The immersion of costumes, sets and locations. The quiet atmosphere, though slightly annoying when I already have bad tinnitus and Jack up the volume to hear then scurry to crank it back down when the chanting or explosions start 😆
But in all seriousness, I bought a paperback set for my birthday this year and I’m still working on it. I waited forever for part 2 to come out in theaters and took one of my roommates to see it. I waited until it was out on Amazon just so I could watch it again!
I discovered Elaine and Quinn’s channel’s and are my favorites for lore and news. So far Dune is in the biggest inspirations for my own writing.
5:03 This is my angry look. Oh wait no, this is my worried look. Hold up hold up, this my I'm irritated look. Well actually this is my I'm in deep thought look. Yes, that's the one...
Denis Villeneuve's second movie deviated so much from the source material that I don't count his version as a good one anymore. The definitive version is the miniseries followed by Lynch's version and then Villeneuve. It's sad because I had high hopes for his version. When I saw who was cast as Emperor I started having doubts. Although the actor was about the correct age Shaddam is described as looking around 35, having red hair and a beard. Walken did not look the part. The Emperor is supposed to be the spitting image of Duke Leto. The fact that the Spacing Guild was not included and that the Great Houses did not accept Paul as Emperor also did not make sense.
Yep.
I agree and I don't consider them canon because of the huge and unnecessary deviations.
They are just movies inspired by Dune.
The arc of Villeneuve's is better than Lynch's still. In Lynch's Paul literally becomes a Messiah figure who magically brings rain when he wins. He becomes a Messiah in the way a Messiah is supposed to be, not the Dune version where it's actually subversive. Villeneuve understands the message better, while Lynch was more willing to let the strangeness of the world come forward. With that said, the miniseries is the best of all, with the exception of visuals obviously. It understands the message and the universe and does both well.
I am so engrossed in reading Frank's books, that I have lost interest in the upcoming movie adaptation of Messiah. I am very surprised at this development, but it looks like my old passion for bookreading is back in force!
Me too! Heretics (book 5) is awesome!
@@BrianHerbertTryant keep on enjoying the good reads!
I loved the David Lynch version of Dune over the series, mainly because it fitted with how I visualized the books in my head. I'd love to see that film reedited with the shields from Denis Villeneuve's films. keep the Nerdy flag flying.
The mini-series is also my favourite.
the set and costume design of the Lynch version is my favorite.
Agreed. Lynch's Bene Gesserit (including Alia there since she dresses like them) are 100% iconic and book accurate. Lynch's military uniforms are stunning and for the time it came out the still suits look great too. I think Dune 1984 won an Oscar for costume design so yeah, that team/Lynch hit that out of the park!
I want to see the deleted Banquet scene from the Dennis V movie. Also, does anyone know how to watch the mini-series?
The miniseries is here on ytube.
Thank you for making this. Its been around four decades since I read the book. About two decades since I watched the mini-series. I am curious to know how much CG was actually used in the latest iterations. Part one was definitely the stronger of the two. I knew Chani was different in this one I just didn't realize how much until watching your video due to the passage of time for me.
The Mini-Series was 100% the most faithful. Villanueve's was probably the absolute best you could expect from a massive budget Hollywood blockbuster. Lynch's version kinda felt similar the situation that Starship Troopers went through where the studio had the rights to use the IP so slapped some names on an entirely different story while making some superficial and loosely connected parallel's to the book. It's not bad, it just would have been better as it's own thing.
I first watched the Deni Part 1 and later read the books. Now Frank Herbert's Dune is my favourite Sci-Fi story of all time and both Deni's part 1 and 2 are some of my favourite movies
The lack of guild reps and tying spice to the worms kind of ruined the new Dune. I would put the series 1, and Lynch's at 2. The series did a ton of great work on a tv budget . The Lynch was kind of overdone in spots, but you have to admire the amazing set designs---and they had the navigator scene. Not saying the latest version was bad at all, it just had a lot of things that didn't really fit for me. It's like Lord of the Rings---the PJ version was the gold standard for sure, but I keep going back to the animated versions on VHS from the 70's as well.
Good video. Here's a quick rundown of who I thought was best based mainly on how close their character was to the character as described in the books. I only picked about a half dozen of the top characters:
Paul - Chalamet
Duke Leto - Oscar Issac
Lady Jessica - Francesca Annis
Baron Harkonnen - Ian McNeice
Chani - Barbora Kodetova
Piter - Brad Durif
Gurney - 50/50 between Patrick Stewart and P.H. Moriarty (Brolin was good, but he just seemed too pissed off all the time - the book version had moments of humor and whimsy that didn't come across in Brolin's version).
Just my opinions, of course.
Hands down 1984. I mean, there is simply no match for the monumental moment when Gurney Halleck charges into battle clutching the Atreides war pugs . . . .
Glad that the SyFy mini-setirs got some love.
The effects are "budget" constrained, but aside from that, the casting & performances were excellent across the board - save Hurt & The Duke (ehich I always thought was a producers' driven requirement to attach a big name).
Both film versions have their strengths, but Villeneuve's cinematography is stunning.
Variety is as theyvsay, the spice of life
While I don't watch all your videos, I trust your knowledge of the books to be accurate that I'll like your video before watching it.
Okay first off I'm like you I like all of the adaptations because they all bring something unique and something that was missing in the other adaptations.. ... But I have a guilty pleasure towards the 1984 David Lynch version. Partially because I saw the movie before reading the book as a kid. And I thought visually I'd never seen anything like this. I loved the score and when I think of the spacing guild I automatically think of the senior mentioned where the guild meet the emperor. You are correct that it's not in the book however it could easily have been in the book.... And one of my favorite lines in cinema history I won't lie....
"I did not say this, I was not here..."
But overall I totally agree with your assessment.
I definitely agree Jason as Duncan was one of my favourite aspectanhis sacrifice scene was my best scene of part 1 besides the bagpipes (THAT was my favourite scene of part 1)
This is great - I was reading the second Dune novel for the first time when the David Lynch movie came out and I love it. I love the newest ones too, for different reasons, but the Lynch one still has a place in my heart despite how it differs from the novels. I've never seen the mini-series but I recently re-read all six novels and I'm interested in seeing what Denis Villeneuve does with Dune Messiah. I agree with you about the way Margot Fenring was used to represent the way the Bene Gesserit influence people - it was a clever little scene. I just wish Thufir's scenes had been included and I also wish they'd included the scenes with Hasimir Fenring...but you can't have everything I guess.
Denis did his cinematic skills a disservice by deviating from the original story and exposed his storytelling weaknesses. Adding to it by devoting time to Gideon Prime is not the same as deviating, hence being the best part of his adaptation. But Lynch is king, mini series is crown Prince. Timothy tried, but I couldn't shake the feeling that him and Zendaya were riding worms to the mall.
I personally love the mini series best when it comes to accuracy but you were correct that each film has its own charm and cast favorites think what the mini series would have been like if they had the big theatre budget. It to me comes down to Alia I love the character in the book and Denis under developed her hopefully its corrected in the next film.
I agree 100% the Mini-Series Chani was my favorite as well; Duke Leto was surprisingly weak and phoned in considering it was William Hurt. I put the mini-series ahead on much of the list BUT look and budget. Yes, Villeneuve did the most visually appealing part of the Dune remakes. It's all well and good to Bring something new to the table I agree that is a good thing but when you change fundamental aspects for silliness like "Giving Chani Agency", then you really missed a heck of a lot about the books IMO.
I am glad to see we are of much the same mind as to the three adaptations and their relative strengths and weaknesses.
100 percent agree, great video, I re read the books every few years 👍🏼🔥🔥🔥
Butler's Feyd embodies the idea of Feyd and Paul as parallels, as Feyd as another option that the Bene Gesserit were looking at.
By virtue of that it means that Feyd is different, because he has to be. In the book Feyd felt like a nervous talker, he felt like he was stalling for time before the Kanly with Paul started but Austin Butler's interpretation felt like more of a genuine fighter....Part of that being owed to the fact that the undrugged Atreides fighter in the pit wasn't part of his own machinations.
I would have kept some of the scheming and sneaking in the last fight though, specifically the fact that *Both of them* went into it with poison-coated knives, it drags home the "We win by being Harkonnen" idea and the symbolism you can have with both of them using two blades is better.
I think that the mini series was more accurate to the book than the movies were
An adaptation that gets the viewer to read the book is a great adaptation.
I have my own thoughts on the whole plan in general. When the spacing guild got word of the Harkonen plan and the emperor’s involvement, they sent an envoy to tell them that Paul must die, but she was trying to manipulate things like saying that Paul and Jessica were under her protection knowing the Baron wouldn’t keep his word on the matter since she had personal dealings with him in the past. And she would be able to tell he was lying. Idk, I hope they explain more in messiah. Because I think Mohiam did want to protect Jessica, but was also prepared to sacrifice the bloodline should they lose control since Jessica already disobeyed the sisterhood by having Paul. That already told Mohiam the Atreides were a liability, so she would advise the emperor to help the Baron. I think Mohiam also became more absolute once the word of Muad’Dib started circulating. But as she says, ultimately there are no sides. Yes she advised the emperor to make a move, but she also provided Jessica with the missionaria protectiva
Ah, the Missionaria Protectiva, as I understand from the Frank Herbert novels, was a branch of the Bene Gesserit specializing in preparing cultures to be influenced by and protect other Bene Gesserit who would follow later... Bene Gesserit plans and plots are generations in their execution.
I personally like all 3 adaptations for different reasons. All are products of their time and each chooses to focus on different elements from the novel. It is always important to remember that this story was conceived, written and produced for print, not cinema. As such, there will always be shortcomings in a film version.
I loved the 84 movie and I really loved the new films…the world Villenueve built. I’ve heard nothing but good things about the miniseries, but I haven’t seen it.
In many ways how most people seem to react to the various adaptations spings from what their introduction to Dune was. I had read the Frank Herbert novels back in the late 70's, and approach all of the adaptations in comparison to the true quill of the author.
The Sfi Fi version of the Baron was easily the most book-accurate. On the whole, the mini series is still my favourite. You just have to ignore the hats.
You make an important point regarding how much time Villeneuve had/has to tell his story. For that reason, and the advances in cinema technologies and funding I too would place the mini series first but Lynch second, Dune Part One third. And the latest installment dead last for many of the reasons you also alluded too. Lynch and others achieved far more visually with the resources available to them. And yes, all are guilty of deviating or adding to the source material. It does make me fear of what Dune Messiah and Prophecy will do for integrity of Frank Herbert’s legacy, but I’ll still pay to see.
I’ve been kinda here and there with Feyd and the gom jabbar. But he was still a prospect, and therefore had to be subjected to the gom jabbar. After all the true test is crisis and observation. They had to see if the bloodline was worth preserving. And if he died, Margot would be able to slip out before anyone would know. Though that probably would cause him to go after the sisterhood. Idk, some changes don’t bother me as much since you can chalk it up to the plans within plans within plans
The SyFy channel version is the most accurate. I like all of the versions for their unique takes on the Dune universe. Everyone should watch Frank Herbert’s take on “artistic license “🖖🏽
I loved Rebecca Ferguson's adaptation of lady Jessica. She carved out her own space amongst a host of very strong performances from an excellent cast.
The Hallmark Miniserieses version is still my favorite of all of the types.
Wooo mini series Master Race!
Btw what happened to your epic voice performance? It was the most ideal info expose tone ever, hope you didnt entirely ditch it *. *
When I imagine Dune, I imagine the Sci Fi version of it. That's my cast in my head. Except for count Fenring. Oddly enough, I cast Kyle Maclachlan as that guy. And Jeremy Irons as Thufir Hawat.
Very interesting =] I was just thinking earlier today that I need to watch the sci fi channel version so now I definitely will
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I actually really like the costumes from the mini-series, had a very European, Moebius style for a lot of the costumes, very baroque and feudal, like a shakesperean play. Justice for Count Fenring too!
I've never read the books but im looking forward to what Denis comes up with for the 3rd film although i have a feeling it will be the most different than the source material because the book goes WAY out there according to the truncation videos I've watched. I doubt highly Denis will go where Frank Hebert did with worm kids and whatnot.
I love the Lynch version and it's a favorite of me and my dad's. I haven't watched the mini series and I ABSOLUTELY love Denis' version. I'm going to watch Dune Prophecy despite the bad reviews I've heard.
In my head, Denny's interpretation is what I picture in my head when I read the books, Lynch's Pietre is what I picture for the scenes he's around in. (Actually it's a hybrid mix between the two actors for the movies, I love them both)
Sorry Sir Patrick Stewart... You're no longer my Gurney 😂
My favorite Line is Jah Ha Eesh (Fear the Moment), but in Hebrew God the Man.
All the adaptations have elements to recommend them. Lynch's 1984 version has some incredible actors, a sound track that has become legendary (I especially enjoy Brian Eno's ethereal Prophecy theme, and Toto's music for the film is also very well regarded), and some timeless practical effects for the Sandworms. Denis Villeneuve's version is the most cinematic and is at times mesmerising to experience. The Sci Fi miniseries is the most faithful of the adaptations that cleaves closest to Frank Herbert's original vision and has the best translation of most of the characters from page to screen.
Equally, all versions have their flaws. The 1984 version is at times a confused narrative and takes extreme liberties with the plotline and world building of Dune, like the odd concept of the 'weirding module' sonic weapons and 'killing words' replacing the Weirding Way from the books which was a martial art based upon Bene Gesserit Prana Bindu muscle control techniques, and most egregiously at the end of the movie Paul creating rain ex nihilo by a literal magical miracle, which has nothing to do with his abilities from the books.
Villeneuve's version similarly takes liberties with the source material, but in some ways even more damaging ones. Leaving the Spacing Guild out of the narrative almost entirely is a mystifying creative choice that tears gaping holes in the world building of Dune. Perhaps even worse, we see a rewrite of the Fremen and characters like Paul, Chani, Jessica and Stilgar to all appearances in the name of crudely hammering home the point about the dangers of charismatic leaders from the books in a far less nuanced way that Herbert's own writing went about exploring the topic, because the movie writers apparently think the general audience is too stupid and oblivious to get the point if it isn't hammered into their skull with a pile driver. Add in a seeming desire to rewrite Chani in particular in a misguided bid to try to make her character supposedly more suited to a 'modern audience' (since some parties wrongly believe that Herbert's version of Chani was 'boring', 'weak' and 'submissive' - when she was none of those things - and are conceited enough to think they have the skill and the right to 'fix' Herbert's work) and the problems with this version of Dune become evident, as does the likelihood that any future 'Dune Part 3' will deviate even further from the source material than Part 2 did, given the status quo left at the end of the second movie.
The Sci Fi miniseries makes a few relatively minor deviations from the lore (like Irulan being present at the dinner scene in Arrakeen and meeting Paul earlier than she did in the book), and some of the casting is a bit off, but its biggest problem is its relatively shoestring budget and wonky early 2000s CGI that hasn't aged especially well (though in all honesty I consider those last two points but minor cosmetic flaws given the overall faithfulness to the source material of the miniseries adaptation).
I have seen and enjoyed them all, though like Elaine the Sci Fi miniseries remains my clear favourite despite its budgetary limitations.
i must agree that the mini series is the best, the one thing i dislike about the latest adaption is that Paul leading the fremen only took six months and that Chanie did not trust Paul
I love the mini-series - I find it easier to think of that Paul as a flawed, false prophet. The houses, history, and factions seem richer and fill out the world better.
And best Alia...! The young actress totally rocked the psycho child homunculus thing.
I see the 2020 version is filmed as it happened. The Lynch version is a Shakespearian play based on it. The TV version is a good stage performance.
Both film Barons annoy the hell out of me. One is too crazed to be a match for Leto, even with the Emperor's help and his twisted mentats. The other is dull, boring, bland. The TV version is pretty close. Ian McNiece if anything gets better in the second series
The best adaptation to me is the 2000 miniseries. Incredible the level of detail they accomplished in 5 hours. That completely invalidates the argument that the movies didn’t have “enough time”.
I agree with you that the mini-series I had the best Chani. The Lynch version had the best visuals. I really love all three versions. Overall I have to go with Villeneuve’s.
I think Villeneuve's movies are the best of the three screen experiences, though I've never seen the whole mini-series (I've started it twice). Villeneuve's version had at least half an hour more time than the mini-series; so, I don't think "having enough time" is an issue. But he was confined to making a cinematic experience. And as such it succeeds resoundingly. But, as a faithful adaptation of a very idea-first, pensive novel (with some action here and there), I assume the mini-series wins by a mile.
Project to do: Mash up the best of Mini Series, David Linch and Villenueve version into a 6 hour movie. It would be fun.
I guess the Sci-Fi mini-series wasn't good enough.
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I was an 80s kid. 1984 Dune was my introduction. I didn't read the book until 1995. I remember liking it, but not enough to continue with the series. My only criticism with the movie was that it was slowly paced. I didn't watch the Sci-Fi Channel miniseries until the new movie came out. I ordered thd DVD and eventually got the new bluray box set. Glad I did. I love Children of Dune even more than the first one.
Dune: Part One got me to reread the book and continue with the series. Love all six books.
I like both movies. I'm more forgiving when it comes to adaptation. As long as the movie is entertaining and gets me to read the book. I'm looking forward to Dune Prophecy. With the downfall of Star Wars, it's time for another great Sci-Fi series to take the spotlight. For me, it’s Dune, Foundation, Three Body Problem, and shows like that.
James McAvoy should return as older letoII / god emperor. Was so good
Just asking, you seem to be MIA for the Prophecy series, did you get a strike?
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I still think the Dune miniseries is the best adoption of all.
Who did it best. That's subjective and from my perspective neither did the books well enough to call either best. The only thing certain is Villeneuve's version was hyped through the roof to where no one can talk against it.
Which is how you know it sucked balls
Um, Elain and several of her correspondents here have indeed been critical of numerous choices in Villenueve's adaptation...
Never getting to see Tim Blake Nelsons turn as Hasimir Fenring robs me of sleep. I'm so sad.
The fact that Denis Vellenueve won't release the deleted scenes just makes him a wanker in my eyes.
Nobody would know who Denis Vellenueve is if he didn't get the rights to use the Dune IP and the characters of the Dune universe. So for him to deny Dune fans (many of them fans for 40-50 years) the deleted scenes of their beloved characters because... Wait for it....
According to Denis, he is a surgeon when he edits his movies. Removed scenes are cut and lost forever.
Yeah. No wonder nobody gives a shit about this guy if he isn't using Dune material to work from. He's just a pretentious artsy fartsy clown. Lynch released every deleted scene. Lynch turned down making Return of the Jedi and was already nominated for Best Picture Oscars before directing Dune... Mind you, his pictures (before and after Dune) were all his original ideas. As in, he wrote the scripts and came up with every idea.
Denis' second best movie is a sequel to Blade Runner (again, just using an IP). Outside of that he has no career at all.
Realistically different versions captured different aspects of Dune better than each other
Lynch did a hommage to older scifi, older filmlanguage etc
Totos music a little to rockguitarish some places. Brian Eno good.
Best witch.
Lynch
Entry to spaceship a old roman entry.
Where did he get that visually idea?
The Mini-Series of Dune & Children of Dune are still my fav, and I love how Emperor Battle for Dune was inspired by the David Lynch film and introducing the non-Canon House Ordos. I only like the Thopters from the new Dune and that's it not a fan of what was done with Chani, Dr, Kynes or the changes to House Harkkonen and the absence of Alia.
I liked all of them but,
I choose Lynch's version for best acting. (there were some truly great actors in it),
Harrison's (SyFy 2000) version for being closest to the book,
and Villeneuve's version for the cinematography. (what a beautiful film, eye candy)
Villeneuve for design, cinematography, photography, sound design, and sound effects.
Thanks Elaine