Never forget - people from Just Stop Oil got 4-5 years for making a speech about planning to peacefully block traffic to demand the Government hold its own agreements to take proportionate climate action. What is a proportional response now?
This all feels so unreal, being Pakistani in this day and age feels so unreal, having friends and family of colour feels so unreal; im supposed to be focusing on writing a UCAS personal statement, booking a driving theory test, pre-reading for next year of school, but I’m instead sat in bed, wondering what exactly has become of this country. It’s heartwrenching.
I think you mean being British don't you? .... if we all could identify as one people together rather than disparate identity groups sharing the same streets but living separate lives I think things would be a lot..lot more calmer all round
There are huge numbers of South Asians and Africans in those parts of the world and their numbers are rapidly increasing in traditionally Caucasian countries wheras the latter seem feeble and with poor reproduction rates and as a white Britisher, this is unsettling even though I generally judge people by their character rather than by their race, this still does not feel right (despite what Europe has done to exploit other countries. ) Throw other religions into the mix and economic stress and you have a recipe for societal breakdown.
Well done Ash for being able to speak on this subject. Every time you spoke, I found myself getting more emotional because it was so obvious how upset and angry you are. I know that most people in this country are horrified and disgusted by the scenes of racism we are witnessing.
When listening to protesters, safety, esp for families was a big issue and it is only in recent history the report and conviction of grooming gangs corruption of our institutions, largely due to fear of being politically incorrect. Ideology has consequences. Plus there have been other issues. As well as both main parties belonging to the elite, global political class. Labor no longer doesn't represent the working class anymore. To reduce this whole issue to racist white thugs is not only wrong, bit stoking and reinforcing division My point there is more than just racism. You can't help address a problem, esp when ppl are scared if you don't listen or value ppls concerns. Ash has basically dismissed and slandered many. She is scared, and feels right and justified, using her position of power to make her case.
I know I feel the same way about Ash. Bless her I can tell when she's angry because her moustache starts twitching. She's such a pretty lady of colour I don't know why more lesbians don't like her like we do.
I’m very sorry, but I’m afraid you have it all wrong, I live in said areas, I don’t think you can comprehend unless you live there the reason why people are so angry..
In the US we call those gangs of thugs attacking people Domestic Terrorists. Gotta call it what it is. Domestic Terrorism. I feel really bad for those poor people that were attacked. -subscriber from New England in the US
@@FarhanAli-qo9we I know it made a nice change from the usual didn't it this time. Everyone expected a Muslim stabber due to it always being a Muslim stabber and then BOOM on this extremely rare occasion it turns out it's not a Muslim stabber and the world was shocked. Lol and all the Muslims couldn't believe how lucky they'd been.
My heart goes out to Ash and everyone else feeling unwelcome and scared. I'm Welsh white, which is a pale white, so I can't even begin to imagine what it's like to live with this threat hanging over your every moment. Please stay safe, Im really sorry it's got this utterly appalling.
It's not about skin colour, it's about immigrants being put before the English and about the governments non action on a highly charged subject.. which, by the way, MOST people (75%) think something needs to be done about..
Totally agree this problem hasnt just started now its been an issue for ages the infrastructure in this coutry cannot look after the ordinary working class english people no social housing nurseries drs schools hospital beds along with the cost of living fuel hikes the country is in a mess @@chester6343and people are stressed struggling seeing the demographics of there country explode in such a short space of time they feel they are being abandoned and there concerns not listened to a recipe for disaster and anarchy in this country
As an English PoC unable to access my GP, struggling with the colc, with family & friends unable to access decent housing I say this is a problem for us all not just white English but the problem seems to be that people like me are not English according to many white English. Kinda tuff though cos I am & no amount of words or rioting can change that@@chester6343
I'm white, feeling the full firce of my white priviledge, in so far as I am not in fear of being attacked. I am the child of a white Irish immigrant, so they won't come after me. That Labour MP was stupid and I hope she understands how irresponsible she was, and what careless self interested political speech can do. Talk about immigration levels has always been a red herring. Governments have fuelled the debate, by setting goals that cannot be fulfilled, in the name of political expediency, usually spouted before an upcoming election. There needs to be more talk about how immigrants contribute to the work force etc. Ash speaks an awful lot of sense, and yes Michael was a bit of a prick at points. Revealing his own shakey handle on the issue. Perhaps he should use the phrase 'devil's advocate' a bit more, to distance himself from the opinion he's putting forth. I did feel Ash was personally hurt that he could fall foul of suggesting that perhaps there are too many immigrants, which lends some kind of legitimacy to the islamophobic thugs on the streets.
Excellent analysis as always - Ash, you are spot on. Zarah Sultana put up a really strong argument, but my goodness the behaviour of the three white, middle aged patronising men was bloody appalling. What an irritating pratt is Ed Balls, continuously interrupting her and the other two eejits laughing at her. I hope Starmer uses his authoritarianism to hammer down on the far right perpetrators and their ring leaders including heavily attacking Farage on inciting race hate. He would be better placed using his heavy handed tactics against these far right extremists rather than left progressives in his own party.
I think Starmer prefers hammering those without power. He might get push back if he criticises Farage and he certainly won't go up against the Murdoch press. He'd need a backbone and integrity for that, it seems he possesses neither.
@kategreen-adarkcarnival6747 Genuinely can’t tell if you’re being ironic because you use terms like authoritarian in such a casual way. I’m guessing you’re playing into the bigotry of certain lefites whilst subtly highlighting their enthusiasm for the very fascistic governance they claim to decry.
@@sortedm agree. we need to see others, listen, and ask why, now? They'll probably tell you (they did). Sad part was this was preventable, as this has been brewing for years. Shame ppl are not listened. They feel unrepresented. Many not even bothering to vote... Kier proved their point. Peace to the UK. Upsetting for all. So sorry.
Maybe they are. To divert attention from Gaza at the same time teaching lesson to UK as there were large demonstration going against them and Britain was not able to control them.
You shouldn't feel ashamed. These aren't the British people that make Britain a good place. The real British people that are out in their communities, clearing up the mess the hate goblins leave behind, are the folk that make this place actually great, and the reason you should be proud. People of every age, faith and background, all out helping each other, rebuilding their communities. The hate goblins and those behind the violence want to create division in the communities. Instead, it's leaving stronger and tighter communities in its wake. Stronger communities are a hard recruiting ground for those driven by hate. These events are horrendous beyond belief, but they aren't a reflection of most of us, just the noisy and violent few.
The thing that really opened my eyes was an image of a smashed in Chinese shop. It's pure racism. It's not religion based, it's not migrant based, it's just simple racism. Not that I ever thought it was anything else but I thought that made it very obvious.
I might also add that I inherited a shemagh from my grandfather. He was military and it's sentimental for me. I used to wear it when I was going to a new place because it made me feel confident. I don't know if I would be comfortable wearing it out. I'm British as. Welsh going back as far as. I just don't get it.
The public has consistently voted to reduce migration and made it clear that we do not want the level of change our communities are going through to happen. You can’t ignore the people and then be confused when they are angry
@@darcyframed201 Waters down the culture. Reduces the local camaraderie and identity. Many of us have a strong connections to the communities and cultures in which we grew up
Tory MP’s and right wing media called the peaceful Palestine marches “hate marches” but call these violent right wing riots “people with legitimate grievances” See the double standards.
I believe they are right but many are agitators, they are not far-right and they are mostly peaceful, don't let the governments smears pit you against your fellows. Albeit its been done well with the other side... We Do need to take our country back and free Palestine. Don't think these are 'hate marches' either please. And don't assume they are all as bad as the worst of them, its a media portrayal.
@@pacjam418 Terrorism is usually organised, targeted, and pre-meditated. This is only really targeted. Instead of being organized they were incited, and instead of it being pre-meditated, they just got drunk. Bit different. Certain acts within the riots constitute terrorism: attempting to burn down a hotel because it contains asylum seekers, throwing bricks at a mosque, etc, but without the organisation I really don't see it as terrorism.
Michael, to suggest that more immigration may cause more strain on public services ignores the fact that a lot of immigration helps to strengthen public services, particularly when the UK birth rate is so low we won't have people to perform the services needed for older generations. Hence why the Tories increased immigration, whilst trying to scapegoat them as an easy but contradictory 'get-out' scapegoat.
People calling out Michael for his questioning fail to see that it’s beneficial that Ash has her views tested and questioned with opposing arguments because it then becomes clear that what she is saying is robust.
Please don’t destroy the country by vandalising the properties. Yes you are entitled to your opinion and you can express your views but there is no excuse for destroying the cities and our country and peace. It is already hard for people to survive. This doesn’t represent our country. Please stay safe and calm. Peace and love. 🙏🏻
I hope those from the Muslim Defence League take note of what you said too. Seen some horrible videos on Twitter that our biased media doesn’t report on.
I'm so sorry, it's not in my name. The middle right has to condemn it as well. I hate the last 14 years of a conservative government. They have left the country in chaos. Reform are disgusting and are blowing on the flames and embers. Thank you Ash for what you do.
And labour are so captured by the zios and their anti-muslimnrhetoric they won't even attempt to change the narrative and to counter attack the Farage/Robinson propaganda.
@@freedomforthebrave he could face charges. We don’t have freedom of speech in the UK, we have freedom of expression unless that ‘expression’ is seen as inciting acts of violence. I think a just case could be made against him
Hating islam is valid. It is an ideology. You can hate capitalism, communism, feminism, christianity etc... It does not mean you hate individuals. I think islam is a terrible religion. But if you are muslim that does not believe Britain should have sharia law, and is not an islamist or a jihadist, then I dont mind you. Its really quite simple
Waaaay too much time spent on Michael prosecuting his twitter controversy of the day and refusing to let it go. The conversation went round and round in circles with Michael sounding increasingly incoherent by the end. Come on guys.
Hes wasnt, he asked a simple question "Is wanting to lower or keep immigration levels the same inherently racist or far right" And Ash's arguement was "weeeeell I dont have any interest in giving individual Tories grief" But thats not ACTUALLY answering his question. Shes basically saying "Well a dont ask, dont tell attitude to immigration is fine". She talks about the economic arguement being more acceptable, but then basically says "Oh yeah but yunno we dont want to turn the dial down though". So its clear shes uncomfortable with the idea of the media or anyone else talking about lowering immigration. She says "Im not interested in individuals, only politicians" Its like well "okay so how do politicians express it in a way thats acceptable to you". And shes like "oh well i dont mind if they want to express it, i just think that its based in racism" Michael just wants to know HOW a politician could express a lower immigration view in a more acceptable and non racist way And ash and others seem incapable of doing so
It's become quite easy to start to dislike Michael at times. From saying he would give Yemen the proper attention it deserves weeks ago after it got bombed by Isra3l after clumsly mentioning it at the end of the show saying there is no time but the next day he would cover it - but then never actually following through to cover the story which is really gross and insensitive considering the context to how here at the end he is sharing unreasonable points about migration that come across as needless and dehumanising - I'm glad Ash articulated those points clearly to demonstrate the actual reality.
As a Muslim, we always say allahu akbar when it comes to any obstacle we face. As a Muslim it makes complete sense why they said it. Heck I say it when I go up the stairs or I get up from my seat. It’s to remind us that struggles we go through are not, god is greater than that. There’s multiple ways to analyse that but we need to destigmatise the phrase. It should only be seen negatively if someone is saying it before trying to attack innocent people.
There’s footage of far right thugs running away from Muslims when they tried attacking them So proud of my Muslim brothers to instill fear in hearts of the enemy ❤️
Every muslim knows that these words have very bad connotations to western christian people and that it will be aggrevating when they shout it, running at other people. I know the meaning and that muslims use it in their normal everyday life, but I also know that muslims know what problems it causes to shout it in such a setting.
I recall the 70s and the NF I think the situation now is worse...in the 70s we didn't have the likes of farage as an MP, there wasn't a trump in the US and far right governments in Europe. The violence of the racists was more limited and there was no social media allowing the racists to organise nationwide.
I'm happy to see my favourite Novara Media regular Ash, but I wish it was under happier/better circumstances. What's been happening in our country is very appalling.
Michael Walker is getting ridiculous that end exchange was absolutely poor. No one is saying if you say lowering immigration is illegitimate, for one why are you saying immigration is negative and not being pragmatic and saying we are lacking infrastructure. Ash point was clear that a lot of factors hit immigration not just numbers of migrants, but immigration hysteria is a psychological thing more then an economic thing. Can someone give him argument refinement because his takes are getting so thin. Ash Sarkar is talking about rhetoric, policy and optics and his take just didn’t even register that and just going on about what numbers make you racist . It isn’t just about numbers and never has been. The left are saying if your take with immigration is formed in racism you are a problem but Michael just didn’t register that whatsoever.
It definitely felt a bit weird and off topic at the end. Like, Ash was pointing out that there's a through line between mainstream rhetoric and policy on migration and the growth of the far right, and he seemed to want to turn it into an argument about whether or not any and all concerns about immigration are in principle racist. It just felt like things got a bit derailed at the end...
Really powerful opening comments from Ash. I have to say that I don't often agree with what NM says (their politics are too left wing for me) but on this issue I am on the same page We need to call out this violence as white ethnonationalism
@@lisaglaze250 I classify NM as more on the Jeremy Corbyn side of the left and I am more of the centre. For example Ash declaring herself as a communist Communists and fascists have both not shown a lot of human decency throughout history Just because I don't share all of NMs political views doesn't mean that there are areas where we agree
Has no one noticed how half-heartedly the police are going about their jobs? They couldn't care less about protecting mosques, asylum centres, etc. They are giving the rioters carte blanche to carry on. That is the most worrying thing to me
In fairness to them this type of thing is not easy to deal with, I grew up in Ulster and saw how difficult it was for a very militarised police with army support. So not surprised local bobbies are struggling.
@jimpaddy79 true, but they are just standing around and looking on, as if to say "don't worry guys, we're with you". If it was students or brown-skinned people then they wade in with relish
Hes not, he asked a simple question "Is wanting to lower or keep immigration levels the same inherently racist or far right" And Ash's arguement was "weeeeell I dont have any interest in giving individual Tories grief" But thats not ACTUALLY answering his question. Shes basically saying "Well a dont ask, dont tell attitude to immigration is fine". She talks about the economic arguement being more acceptable, but then basically says "Oh yeah but yunno we dont want to turn the dial down though". So its clear shes uncomfortable with the idea of the media or anyone else talking about lowering immigration. She says "Im not interested in individuals, only politicians" Its like well "okay so how do politicians express it in a way thats acceptable to you". And shes like "oh well i dont mind if they want to express it, i just think that its based in racism" Michael just wants to know HOW a politician could express a lower immigration view in a more acceptable and racist way And ash and others seem incapable of doing so
@@ThepPixel There was a slight nod to the fact that an immigration discussion would not be racist if it was based on purely numbers, not nationality or race, but this seemed almost like an afterthought. The way Michael brought this up was strange, and it seemed that both were talking past each other to a certain extent so as to not make the other uncomfortable, but Ash's response really didn't do the question justice and would be better suited for a career politician.
@@ThepPixel in context of literal race riots, that I think quite clearly have been stoked for years by a constant racist media, why is this even being brought up by a supposed left wing commentator. The current concern should be opposing the far right, not feeding into their talking points. Attempting to see both sides right now is quite ridiculous. I think it seems like he is purposely misunderstanding arguments. Many of the labour right have completely fed into racist fears over immigration and have failed to put forward a positive argument regarding immigration all to play to the far right. This isn't to say that not believing in open borders is racist, but it's the way time and time again immigration is centred as the cause of our ills and then without it we would be better off - this is clearly untrue and patently racist and Michael is both disappointing in terms of his analysis but more importantly his failure to have empathy.
Two things: this not "a big story this week", this is a new reality in this country, its not just news cycle fodder. And as to how to talk about migration limits Zarah Sultana said it, it needs to be underlined at all times with defending and respecting migrants and asylum seekers. Never happens.
Ash a massive 🫂 from another PoC understanding exactly where you're at. Michael you need to possibly think about things just a little more before airing. The last section was cringe worthy. This is a racism problem not a "left" problem. How do you say "immigration is a problem" without being accused of being racist??
We were warned about the pros and cons of multi-culturalism decades ago, no one listened it was perceived as racist rhetoric, and here we are, more calls to ignore people's issues and close down and censor everything, like that will fix anything.... IT WILL MAKE MATTERS WORSE!!!
The way of defeating extreme xenophobia is not with mild xenophobia but with extreme acceptance of immigrants. We are sold austerity, privatisation, financialization, growing inequality and told that poor people and immigrants are the problem
I’m American and I feel for you. As is well known we have our own struggles with racial divisions. I don’t even have to imagine something like that happening here in America because it’s seems we too are headed in the same direction. Everyone deserves to feel safe.
Keir starmer is useless. He’s response to this crisis is absolutely appalling. He doesn’t call out the blatant racism and terrorisim that is so obvious. It’s almost like he wants this anarchy to continue.
Starmer will have to get Police out of their offices because there are not enough in the country to deal with these racists. British media calling them "anti-immigration protesters " is a disgrace, get the Army in.
A clear sign that the people of this country didn’t want the migration. Government mandate after government mandate to reduce migration ignored. And you wonder why this is happening, the people of this country never wanted the country to be like what it is today
A lot of those rioters aren't poor left behind working class, many of them have got well paid jobs, like Englands football hooligans of the recent past, you can't afford to travel all over the place if you're skint.
@@taliamink5175 2 of the first people charged, 1 is a company director, the other a self employed builder, both remanded, they're the typical Tory types.
I got kicked out of a doctors surgery in Glasgow for being a "foreigner" despite my British passport and national insurance number. I was told they could be forgeries! I was so sick o was barely able to stand, but the receptionist turned me out.
Where did this happen I am appalled. I live in Glasgow. I hope this has been sorted out. If not please seek help this is unacceptable. No one gets turned away when they are sick. I would be writing to my local MP and counsellor if I were you. If you need any help to do this I am happy to help.
@@roseannemain9957Rose I'm in Pumpherston, West Lothian and got ankylosing spondylitis and other issues and live alone now after divorce. I'm not longer quick on my feet and worry if it comes to it where would you advise me to seek shelter as I'm alone literally
The irony is that people identify as English simply because they live on territory owned by the ruling class (the old Monarchy). Without this ruling class, "England" as a concept would not exist. When people are raised to believe in the nation, which is only a social construct used to govern them, they internalize it as their identity. The system meant to rule over them becomes their sense of self. Democracy and nationalism are closely related as well, as no democratic system functions without nationalism. Nationalism is a perfect tool to cover up any inherent class differences (property owners vs. labour). Because of this connection, fascism is always a potential threat, since it represents the ultimate implementation of idelistic nation state, where all class differences are put under the greater good of the nation. The greater good of the nation is also popular among democratic leaders. So , democracy and fascism share fundamental ideological elements, making it relatively easy transition from one to the other. The is also very clear in the migrant discussion, when the line of arguments between the democratic nation-state ideology and a fascist nation-state ideology becomes hard to distinguish. To effectively combat fascism, you need to deconstruct and dismantle the ideology of the nation-state first.
If national boundaries are dissolved, how will people define their principles and economic models? Money can go anywhere. Jobs can go anywhere, but people are stuck in their respective countries. Maybe that’s a big part if the problem
The military budget really isn’t that big only about 2% and remember the Army was initially deployed to Northern to protect catholics from being burned out of their homes.
Government need to force their parents into work to make their home better. Have proper nutrition food and stop interfering in how parents raise them kids. This is what happened when they don't allow parents to be parents.
Whenever Michael has a dissenting opinion to the rest of Novara, I find myself much more on his side of the argument. Well done Michael for challenging the echo chambers I feel Ash/Aaron/etc end up in
Ed Balls interviewing his own wife perfectly sums up how ludicrous the British media is. Balls is just there because he punches left, journalistic ability is zero
Heartbreaking as a person used to live in UK during my doctorate research from 2006 graduate 2012 went back home Dubai love UK and its people always greate example of love hope and kindness now very sad to see chaos hate and division wish all to be safe and this crazy nonsense stop amen ✌️
How can they keep him? It`s disgusting, the positions he holds and how he either doesn`t listen or pretends to not understand arguments? He is not playing devils advocate, he is skewing things Ash says.
Honestly, never thought I’d hear such a thoughtless reproduction of a right wing talking point on NM. Also astonishing that he would ask Ash this in such a cold hearted way, totally dehumanising this topic, while Ash is feeling this on a very personal level. It was really quite uncalled for and I hope he apologises for this.
I am disgusted with these thugs some are far right and others I think just want a fight I'm white and it scares me to go out 😢 Britain is in a mess come on starmer end this now even if you need the army
Hi guys, love you! I'd counter the last argument right at the end about numbers of migrants, as follows: whilst I know realistically unchecked open borders is likely unrealistic, reducing migrants to mere numbers is dehumanizing and sort of the first step in a journey that eventually leads to racism at some point if such talk is left unchecked. Hence the incredibly low standard of political speech about migrants in the UK overall. Just a nameless faceless statistic is easy to other and subject to further dehumanizing processes such as being kept in the perpetual liminal space of a hotel mirrored by the perpetual liminal state of remaining unprocessed by immigration. The entire system is set up to keep them faceless and nameless, which should be deemed an illegal form of cruel and unusual punishment. The unfortunate thing is that in the UK and many other countries, arguments for inward migration are framed in terms of numbers and how those numbers of migrants can be "useful" in economic terms. As such, discussions already start off somewhere along the unfortunate road to perdition this way.
We have a fine history of confronting fascism and we need to learn the lessons of the past and confront them at every opportunity. We are the majority and we need to counter the fascists when they come on the streets.
The Police definitely have an agenda. Giving permission to he gathering of far right should never have happened in the first place. It occurred on the same day that there was a Bristol Rovers vs Bristol City - an event that always involves violence. So you have a large number of worked up people just down the road from the gathering of far right thugs. Also just down the road is a facility housing immigrants. The anti fascist (counter demonstrators) knew that this would be a target and so had created a cordon around the sight to protect those inside. What I'd like to ask is where we're the police at this site. If the anti fascist lot could work it out why weren't the police there BEFORE the thugs turned up?!!!!. It was only after the fascist thugs arrived that there was any kind of police presence 😔
Everyone seems to be talking about symptoms. Extreme inequality is the main issue imo. Start by reversing privatisation and tax companies and the rich to fund commodities for all so services are restored. We need an economy (circular?) that is more stable and not just focused on perpetual growth. The rest will follow. Want an extreme measure? Stop paying CEO’s and the like exorbitant wages and bonuses. Do billionaires need to exist?
The problem is people seeing the culture and identity of their country rapidly changing against their will. Simple as that, you can reduce inequality all you like but if an entire identity of people is being erased racial tension will persist
@@redflag4781 A group of people with a cultural and ethnic connection to each other due to the fact that they were for the most part a large homogeneous group for centuries
@F.O.O Ahhhhh, so you're a proponent of "great replacement theory". Also known as a racist. Adding cultural & ethnic groups does not erase any preexisting cultural or ethnic group.
It is astonishing how hopelessly outnumbered the police seem to be. In every video, they look like they are losing - and they just stood back in terror behind their shields as rioters went into that hotel.
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It’s a conflict of the poor fighting the poor. Stirred up by the rich.
But why do the people being used by some in the British Ruling Class not understand that they are being used? Wake up people!
@@antispindr8613because they are racist and agree with the propaganda, despite knowing they're being used
Rupert Murdock!
and it’s racist.
Absolutely
Never forget - people from Just Stop Oil got 4-5 years for making a speech about planning to peacefully block traffic to demand the Government hold its own agreements to take proportionate climate action. What is a proportional response now?
8 yrs
Oh, I would expect the full force of the law would be used to give these "thugs" weeks of home detention.
Send them to Rwanda
what would mao do
@@ince55ant hard labour
imagine if these people were attacking Israeli-associated targets...
Imagine if the Southport attacker was white, called Dave and had killed 3 non-white children.
🤦, it’s disgusting what’s going on!
Or imagine if the Southport attacker wasn’t Muslim but was in fact a Roman Catholic!
…oh wait a minute….
Imagine Yaxley Lennon wasn’t on Israel’s payroll
Be martial law 😂
Imagine they were Palestinian, either no-one would care or they would be blamed for it. Probably both....
As an American I’m honestly shocked this happened in the UK before it happened in my home nation.
This will certainly send shockwaves and embolden the far right in other countries. It'll come, but make sure you're prepared and safe in the US
I was gonna say how American of the UK.
Racist riots? They have been a thing in the US for centuries, if you mean modern history at least since 2015 and upwards
You wait until the election results in your country.
American proving Americans do have a sense of irony.
The elephant in the room: the stabber was male, the rioters are mostly male
Ed Balls is a dreadful interviewer. Even worse than Piers.
Ed Balls was a disgrace on the Morning show. Shocking!
Egg bullocks
Perfect example of people like Bush Jr, B Johnson, FAILING UP.
This all feels so unreal, being Pakistani in this day and age feels so unreal, having friends and family of colour feels so unreal; im supposed to be focusing on writing a UCAS personal statement, booking a driving theory test, pre-reading for next year of school, but I’m instead sat in bed, wondering what exactly has become of this country. It’s heartwrenching.
I think you mean being British don't you? .... if we all could identify as one people together rather than disparate identity groups sharing the same streets but living separate lives I think things would be a lot..lot more calmer all round
@@johntowers1213 That will never happen!
@@lewis_sefton wtf dude? Are you assuming her home isn't here?
@@lewis_sefton What if is this home! What has he done to you? IF you are mad at the last 14 years of tory rule, why dont you take out on them?
There are huge numbers of South Asians and Africans in those parts of the world and their numbers are rapidly increasing in traditionally Caucasian countries wheras the latter seem feeble and with poor reproduction rates and as a white Britisher, this is unsettling even though I generally judge people by their character rather than by their race, this still does not feel right (despite what Europe has done to exploit other countries. ) Throw other religions into the mix and economic stress and you have a recipe for societal breakdown.
Well done Ash for being able to speak on this subject. Every time you spoke, I found myself getting more emotional because it was so obvious how upset and angry you are. I know that most people in this country are horrified and disgusted by the scenes of racism we are witnessing.
When listening to protesters, safety, esp for families was a big issue and it is only in recent history the report and conviction of grooming gangs corruption of our institutions, largely due to fear of being politically incorrect. Ideology has consequences. Plus there have been other issues. As well as both main parties belonging to the elite, global political class. Labor no longer doesn't represent the working class anymore. To reduce this whole issue to racist white thugs is not only wrong, bit stoking and reinforcing division
My point there is more than just racism. You can't help address a problem, esp when ppl are scared if you don't listen or value ppls concerns. Ash has basically dismissed and slandered many. She is scared, and feels right and justified, using her position of power to make her case.
I know I feel the same way about Ash. Bless her I can tell when she's angry because her moustache starts twitching. She's such a pretty lady of colour I don't know why more lesbians don't like her like we do.
I’m very sorry, but I’m afraid you have it all wrong, I live in said areas, I don’t think you can comprehend unless you live there the reason why people are so angry..
In the US we call those gangs of thugs attacking people Domestic Terrorists. Gotta call it what it is. Domestic Terrorism. I feel really bad for those poor people that were attacked.
-subscriber from New England in the US
not the ones that stormed the capitolium !!
Michael's internalised racism exposed. He looked very uncomfortable trying to hold together his position. Ash is spot on. Better work on it Michael.
100%
Please bring up the obvious racism of not treating Ukraine refugees the same way
As a British Muslim I feel unsafe to leave my house too.
Oh dear how awful for you.
Lol maybe you should leave.
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Imagine being a young girl going to a dance class.
Everyone is scared.
Maybe multicultural societies don't work. Maybe you'll be better with your own.
🙏🏽
@@James-i4z4s bloody hell, the stabber wasn’t Muslim!
@@FarhanAli-qo9we I know it made a nice change from the usual didn't it this time. Everyone expected a Muslim stabber due to it always being a Muslim stabber and then BOOM on this extremely rare occasion it turns out it's not a Muslim stabber and the world was shocked. Lol and all the Muslims couldn't believe how lucky they'd been.
My heart goes out to Ash and everyone else feeling unwelcome and scared. I'm Welsh white, which is a pale white, so I can't even begin to imagine what it's like to live with this threat hanging over your every moment. Please stay safe, Im really sorry it's got this utterly appalling.
just imagine white british in 20 years mate if nothing changes if you are capable of looking ahead
@@GaryTaylor-gp2qc Take a breath and try to express a coherent thought in words.
It's not about skin colour, it's about immigrants being put before the English and about the governments non action on a highly charged subject.. which, by the way, MOST people (75%) think something needs to be done about..
Totally agree this problem hasnt just started now its been an issue for ages the infrastructure in this coutry cannot look after the ordinary working class english people no social housing nurseries drs schools hospital beds along with the cost of living fuel hikes the country is in a mess @@chester6343and people are stressed struggling seeing the demographics of there country explode in such a short space of time they feel they are being abandoned and there concerns not listened to a recipe for disaster and anarchy in this country
As an English PoC unable to access my GP, struggling with the colc, with family & friends unable to access decent housing I say this is a problem for us all not just white English but the problem seems to be that people like me are not English according to many white English. Kinda tuff though cos I am & no amount of words or rioting can change that@@chester6343
I'm white, feeling the full firce of my white priviledge, in so far as I am not in fear of being attacked. I am the child of a white Irish immigrant, so they won't come after me. That Labour MP was stupid and I hope she understands how irresponsible she was, and what careless self interested political speech can do. Talk about immigration levels has always been a red herring. Governments have fuelled the debate, by setting goals that cannot be fulfilled, in the name of political expediency, usually spouted before an upcoming election. There needs to be more talk about how immigrants contribute to the work force etc.
Ash speaks an awful lot of sense, and yes Michael was a bit of a prick at points. Revealing his own shakey handle on the issue. Perhaps he should use the phrase 'devil's advocate' a bit more, to distance himself from the opinion he's putting forth. I did feel Ash was personally hurt that he could fall foul of suggesting that perhaps there are too many immigrants, which lends some kind of legitimacy to the islamophobic thugs on the streets.
ash has the patience of a saint is all I'll say about this episode
Pls shut down GB news and arrest Tommy, Tate and Farage
This is why people are rioting, you always try and shit people down you don’t like
Paul Thorpe
Another hater.
@@ppetal1 you're weird
@@Winter_Of_Civilisation shut people down
Didn’t even know we had an “army” of police officers in the UK. They never seem to be there when they’re truly needed
They're too busy attacking people for carrying the Palestinian flag 🙄
Excellent analysis as always - Ash, you are spot on. Zarah Sultana put up a really strong argument, but my goodness the behaviour of the three white, middle aged patronising men was bloody appalling. What an irritating pratt is Ed Balls, continuously interrupting her and the other two eejits laughing at her. I hope Starmer uses his authoritarianism to hammer down on the far right perpetrators and their ring leaders including heavily attacking Farage on inciting race hate. He would be better placed using his heavy handed tactics against these far right extremists rather than left progressives in his own party.
I think Starmer prefers hammering those without power. He might get push back if he criticises Farage and he certainly won't go up against the Murdoch press. He'd need a backbone and integrity for that, it seems he possesses neither.
@kategreen-adarkcarnival6747 Genuinely can’t tell if you’re being ironic because you use terms like authoritarian in such a casual way.
I’m guessing you’re playing into the bigotry of certain lefites whilst subtly highlighting their enthusiasm for the very fascistic governance they claim to decry.
Hope Starmer uses his authoritarianism 😂 - exactly, you mistakenly hit the nail on the head
Can you imagine how terrified the people in the Rotherham hotel are?
Dirty rioters need to be named and shamed, and jailed.
Frightening. No excuse.
Funny how you never bothered to imagine experiencing what the people of Rotherham have had to tolerate over the last few decades.
@@sortedm agree. we need to see others, listen, and ask why, now? They'll probably tell you (they did).
Sad part was this was preventable, as this has been brewing for years. Shame ppl are not listened. They feel unrepresented. Many not even bothering to vote... Kier proved their point.
Peace to the UK. Upsetting for all. So sorry.
I live next door to Rotherham, what exactly have we had to tolerate that would even come close to justify this shit?
The way racists attack houses of residence in that area and the asylum hotel reminds me of Israeli settlers attacking Palestinians
? How does that work?
Not a coincidence.
Three guesses why these people feel so emboldened to attack muslim communities?
No difference. It's democracy in UK.
Maybe they are. To divert attention from Gaza at the same time teaching lesson to UK as there were large demonstration going against them and Britain was not able to control them.
I have Never been so ashamed to be British 😞
I am not British.
…never? 😅
You and me both mate!
So many opportunities though
You shouldn't feel ashamed. These aren't the British people that make Britain a good place. The real British people that are out in their communities, clearing up the mess the hate goblins leave behind, are the folk that make this place actually great, and the reason you should be proud. People of every age, faith and background, all out helping each other, rebuilding their communities. The hate goblins and those behind the violence want to create division in the communities. Instead, it's leaving stronger and tighter communities in its wake. Stronger communities are a hard recruiting ground for those driven by hate. These events are horrendous beyond belief, but they aren't a reflection of most of us, just the noisy and violent few.
The thing that really opened my eyes was an image of a smashed in Chinese shop. It's pure racism. It's not religion based, it's not migrant based, it's just simple racism.
Not that I ever thought it was anything else but I thought that made it very obvious.
I might also add that I inherited a shemagh from my grandfather. He was military and it's sentimental for me. I used to wear it when I was going to a new place because it made me feel confident. I don't know if I would be comfortable wearing it out. I'm British as. Welsh going back as far as. I just don't get it.
The public has consistently voted to reduce migration and made it clear that we do not want the level of change our communities are going through to happen. You can’t ignore the people and then be confused when they are angry
@@F.O.O how has immigrants moving into your community changed it?
@@darcyframed201 Waters down the culture. Reduces the local camaraderie and identity. Many of us have a strong connections to the communities and cultures in which we grew up
@@F.O.OYou mustn't know your own history of invading other people's countries.
Tory MP’s and right wing media called the peaceful Palestine marches “hate marches” but call these violent right wing riots “people with legitimate grievances”
See the double standards.
I believe they are right but many are agitators, they are not far-right and they are mostly peaceful, don't let the governments smears pit you against your fellows. Albeit its been done well with the other side... We Do need to take our country back and free Palestine. Don't think these are 'hate marches' either please. And don't assume they are all as bad as the worst of them, its a media portrayal.
Disgusting, never been less proud to be British ironically. Using the murder of those little girls as an excuse to be so openly bigoted, heartbreaking
You've never felt proud to be British, stop lieing
@@joelhungerford8388 lying not lieing.🤣🇬🇧🇯🇲
He can raise a Palestinian flag but his hands will burn while picking british flag
You must think things just fall out of the sky. Obviously it wasn't just this girl it was a sequence of events that piled up she was just the fuse.
we used to call actions like these terrorism
It's not terrorism, it is rioting. Both are terrible but we should call things what they are.
@@hendrixinfinity3992 go read the definition of terrorism.
@@liosns the definition of terrorism is extremely woolly. I prefer not to use the term in almost any context because it is not a useful one.
That’s what I said, “It’s Domestic Terrorism.” We are all too familiar with it in the US.
@@pacjam418 Terrorism is usually organised, targeted, and pre-meditated. This is only really targeted. Instead of being organized they were incited, and instead of it being pre-meditated, they just got drunk. Bit different.
Certain acts within the riots constitute terrorism: attempting to burn down a hotel because it contains asylum seekers, throwing bricks at a mosque, etc, but without the organisation I really don't see it as terrorism.
Michael, to suggest that more immigration may cause more strain on public services ignores the fact that a lot of immigration helps to strengthen public services, particularly when the UK birth rate is so low we won't have people to perform the services needed for older generations. Hence why the Tories increased immigration, whilst trying to scapegoat them as an easy but contradictory 'get-out' scapegoat.
Labour should reinstate the Rwanda gig and send the convicted racist rioters there to at least get some value for the millions spent
But what about their human rights?
Or do they suddenly not matter anymore?
@@JasperTees-y8z Oh those? Good thing I was being ironic eh?
Be a shame to lose the deposit 🤭
People calling out Michael for his questioning fail to see that it’s beneficial that Ash has her views tested and questioned with opposing arguments because it then becomes clear that what she is saying is robust.
Exactly. It's important to have these good faith arguments to steelman positions before encountering less honourable interlocuters
What is Tommy Robinson's job again? How does he have money to be a foreigner abroad again?
He’s a journalist
Don’t bring Tommy into it.There are many people on their 2nd holiday,are you envious or jealous?
@@dianegardner3584 um, we can definitely bring that EDL leader into it actually, as he helped start all of this. Stop being a 🤡
Go find out. You'll find there's been a lot of deliberate misinformation presented about him. That's not the same as agreeing with him or liking him.
Why doesn’t GB news get it’s license revoked
Also Daily Mail, BBC and others
Don't forget Talk TV
On what basis should it get it's license revoked?
@@maryjones4029maybe for fanning the flames of these riots and violence.
GBeebies is bizarrely not regarded as a news broadcaster under ofcom, so regulatory options are limited.
Please don’t destroy the country by vandalising the properties. Yes you are entitled to your opinion and you can express your views but there is no excuse for destroying the cities and our country and peace. It is already hard for people to survive. This doesn’t represent our country. Please stay safe and calm. Peace and love. 🙏🏻
I hope those from the Muslim Defence League take note of what you said too.
Seen some horrible videos on Twitter that our biased media doesn’t report on.
@@JasperTees-y8z I agree with you on this. I wish people learned to respect each other and keep our country safe and peaceful.
Wonderful powerful message 👍🏿🇬🇧🇯🇲💯☮️😇
@nkrandhawa4338 100%
Yup.
The irony of thugs traveling from out of town to protest against people from out of town
I'm so sorry, it's not in my name. The middle right has to condemn it as well. I hate the last 14 years of a conservative government. They have left the country in chaos. Reform are disgusting and are blowing on the flames and embers.
Thank you Ash for what you do.
And labour are so captured by the zios and their anti-muslimnrhetoric they won't even attempt to change the narrative and to counter attack the Farage/Robinson propaganda.
Why on earth would you have to apologise for something you didn’t do?
Nothing but an empty platitude
Agree with you about the Tories though. Labour opened the flood gates but the Tories turbo charged it.
At least Labour were more honest about it.
Farage should be investigated for inciting hate at the start
This is what Farage wants... chaos.
Investigated?? he should be arrested and charged with inciting violence!!.
@@ZafrodHasselfrau1999 100% true
@@freedomforthebrave he could face charges. We don’t have freedom of speech in the UK, we have freedom of expression unless that ‘expression’ is seen as inciting acts of violence.
I think a just case could be made against him
@@jamesaston410 the PM needs to act on that
Ed Balls is pathetic.
They need to change the law on
islamophobia hate crime and put it in par with antisemitism.
Wrong
Fascist racist supremacist@@SimonHough-hz8wp
Hating islam is valid. It is an ideology. You can hate capitalism, communism, feminism, christianity etc... It does not mean you hate individuals. I think islam is a terrible religion. But if you are muslim that does not believe Britain should have sharia law, and is not an islamist or a jihadist, then I dont mind you. Its really quite simple
And we need to stop conflating critisism of sy one ists with real ant I sem at ism (sorry, but YT deletes me if I use certain wordsd)
Thennit should be ok to criticise zy one ism without getting sacked/deleted/arrested for 'ant-i sem@ti5m'
Ash thank you for a great perspective. Look fwd to whatever you are writing!
How dare they treat Queen Zara like that, keep fighting sister!!!
Waaaay too much time spent on Michael prosecuting his twitter controversy of the day and refusing to let it go. The conversation went round and round in circles with Michael sounding increasingly incoherent by the end. Come on guys.
Hes wasnt, he asked a simple question "Is wanting to lower or keep immigration levels the same inherently racist or far right"
And Ash's arguement was "weeeeell I dont have any interest in giving individual Tories grief"
But thats not ACTUALLY answering his question.
Shes basically saying "Well a dont ask, dont tell attitude to immigration is fine".
She talks about the economic arguement being more acceptable, but then basically says "Oh yeah but yunno we dont want to turn the dial down though".
So its clear shes uncomfortable with the idea of the media or anyone else talking about lowering immigration.
She says "Im not interested in individuals, only politicians"
Its like well "okay so how do politicians express it in a way thats acceptable to you".
And shes like "oh well i dont mind if they want to express it, i just think that its based in racism"
Michael just wants to know HOW a politician could express a lower immigration view in a more acceptable and non racist way
And ash and others seem incapable of doing so
It's become quite easy to start to dislike Michael at times. From saying he would give Yemen the proper attention it deserves weeks ago after it got bombed by Isra3l after clumsly mentioning it at the end of the show saying there is no time but the next day he would cover it - but then never actually following through to cover the story which is really gross and insensitive considering the context to how here at the end he is sharing unreasonable points about migration that come across as needless and dehumanising - I'm glad Ash articulated those points clearly to demonstrate the actual reality.
Starmer not dealing with islamophobia in his own party sets a prescedence
Gets paid by friends of Israel.
As a Muslim, we always say allahu akbar when it comes to any obstacle we face. As a Muslim it makes complete sense why they said it. Heck I say it when I go up the stairs or I get up from my seat. It’s to remind us that struggles we go through are not, god is greater than that. There’s multiple ways to analyse that but we need to destigmatise the phrase. It should only be seen negatively if someone is saying it before trying to attack innocent people.
The British say thank God a lot.
Interfada is another misunderstood term
There’s footage of far right thugs running away from Muslims when they tried attacking them
So proud of my Muslim brothers to instill fear in hearts of the enemy ❤️
Bringing religion into things doesn’t help.
Every muslim knows that these words have very bad connotations to western christian people and that it will be aggrevating when they shout it, running at other people. I know the meaning and that muslims use it in their normal everyday life, but I also know that muslims know what problems it causes to shout it in such a setting.
I recall the 70s and the NF I think the situation now is worse...in the 70s we didn't have the likes of farage as an MP, there wasn't a trump in the US and far right governments in Europe. The violence of the racists was more limited and there was no social media allowing the racists to organise nationwide.
In the 80s, we had antifacists to chase them off the streets.
We had Enoch Powell and Ian Paisley, the predecessors of Trump and Farage.
NO its not worse its the same. As a kid I was fighting the NF, the riots were more widespread. These are the remenants of that generation.
@@alimantado373In the 70's it was all over London. My dad and uncles were around.
@@riyadougla539 Anecdotal.. but Ive lived it. And it wasnt just London it was country wide.
I'm happy to see my favourite Novara Media regular Ash, but I wish it was under happier/better circumstances. What's been happening in our country is very appalling.
Michael Walker is getting ridiculous that end exchange was absolutely poor.
No one is saying if you say lowering immigration is illegitimate, for one why are you saying immigration is negative and not being pragmatic and saying we are lacking infrastructure.
Ash point was clear that a lot of factors hit immigration not just numbers of migrants, but immigration hysteria is a psychological thing more then an economic thing.
Can someone give him argument refinement because his takes are getting so thin.
Ash Sarkar is talking about rhetoric, policy and optics and his take just didn’t even register that and just going on about what numbers make you racist .
It isn’t just about numbers and never has been. The left are saying if your take with immigration is formed in racism you are a problem but Michael just didn’t register that whatsoever.
"Can someone give him arguement refinement' good lord could you be any more patronising
Yes, it was a particularly weak take by Michael.
Starmer’s a joke.....it wasn’t that long ago he and some of his henchmen were blaming people from Bangladesh for some un-named problem.
They have been in power three weeks?
@@pyotrpyotrovitch what on earth are you taking about?
Starmer is a joke@@michaeladkins6
@@ts4366😂😂😂😂
@@michaeladkins6 Non sequitur. Starmer legitimised racism in his electoral campaign with his comments on deporting Bangladeshi asylum seekers.
I find this debatebro thing michael keeps doing to be very cringe, especially to ash on the immigration question,
It definitely felt a bit weird and off topic at the end. Like, Ash was pointing out that there's a through line between mainstream rhetoric and policy on migration and the growth of the far right, and he seemed to want to turn it into an argument about whether or not any and all concerns about immigration are in principle racist. It just felt like things got a bit derailed at the end...
Really powerful opening comments from Ash.
I have to say that I don't often agree with what NM says (their politics are too left wing for me) but on this issue I am on the same page
We need to call out this violence as white ethnonationalism
Human decency is too left wing 🤔
@@lisaglaze250
I classify NM as more on the Jeremy Corbyn side of the left and I am more of the centre. For example Ash declaring herself as a communist
Communists and fascists have both not shown a lot of human decency throughout history
Just because I don't share all of NMs political views doesn't mean that there are areas where we agree
Tamworth benefits from tourism? Like fuck it does.
😂lol
😂 🤣
Now ya mention it, that is ridiculous 🤭
Sarah Edwards should be chucked out of the party.
Weak as usual from Starmer when it comes to anything related to bigotry or racism towards Muslims especially, and other minorities.
Has no one noticed how half-heartedly the police are going about their jobs? They couldn't care less about protecting mosques, asylum centres, etc. They are giving the rioters carte blanche to carry on. That is the most worrying thing to me
In fairness to them this type of thing is not easy to deal with, I grew up in Ulster and saw how difficult it was for a very militarised police with army support. So not surprised local bobbies are struggling.
@jimpaddy79 true, but they are just standing around and looking on, as if to say "don't worry guys, we're with you". If it was students or brown-skinned people then they wade in with relish
Two-tier policing in effect. The police have always given the Far Right much more freedom.
Its "Arson with intent to endanger life" that carries a sentence of life imprisonment, LIFE.
Why is Michael just getting progressively more right wing with each episode?
well he is white
Hes not, he asked a simple question "Is wanting to lower or keep immigration levels the same inherently racist or far right"
And Ash's arguement was "weeeeell I dont have any interest in giving individual Tories grief"
But thats not ACTUALLY answering his question.
Shes basically saying "Well a dont ask, dont tell attitude to immigration is fine".
She talks about the economic arguement being more acceptable, but then basically says "Oh yeah but yunno we dont want to turn the dial down though".
So its clear shes uncomfortable with the idea of the media or anyone else talking about lowering immigration.
She says "Im not interested in individuals, only politicians"
Its like well "okay so how do politicians express it in a way thats acceptable to you".
And shes like "oh well i dont mind if they want to express it, i just think that its based in racism"
Michael just wants to know HOW a politician could express a lower immigration view in a more acceptable and racist way
And ash and others seem incapable of doing so
He’s not. He’s just white. (Which is okay 🥹)
@@ThepPixel There was a slight nod to the fact that an immigration discussion would not be racist if it was based on purely numbers, not nationality or race, but this seemed almost like an afterthought. The way Michael brought this up was strange, and it seemed that both were talking past each other to a certain extent so as to not make the other uncomfortable, but Ash's response really didn't do the question justice and would be better suited for a career politician.
@@ThepPixel in context of literal race riots, that I think quite clearly have been stoked for years by a constant racist media, why is this even being brought up by a supposed left wing commentator.
The current concern should be opposing the far right, not feeding into their talking points. Attempting to see both sides right now is quite ridiculous.
I think it seems like he is purposely misunderstanding arguments. Many of the labour right have completely fed into racist fears over immigration and have failed to put forward a positive argument regarding immigration all to play to the far right.
This isn't to say that not believing in open borders is racist, but it's the way time and time again immigration is centred as the cause of our ills and then without it we would be better off - this is clearly untrue and patently racist and Michael is both disappointing in terms of his analysis but more importantly his failure to have empathy.
Two things: this not "a big story this week", this is a new reality in this country, its not just news cycle fodder. And as to how to talk about migration limits Zarah Sultana said it, it needs to be underlined at all times with defending and respecting migrants and asylum seekers. Never happens.
So frightening. I cannot believe it. Im so scared
The Irish did suffer , they went through hell in the UK.
those EDL thugs were seen stealing and breaking into shops. they doing this for their own selfish criminal reasons
MAY GOD CONDEMN CAMERON & BORIS JOHNSON, FARAGE
May He condemn you too.
Bit rich to be complaing about his kids being frightened after what he has set off across England and NI.
Ash a massive 🫂 from another PoC understanding exactly where you're at. Michael you need to possibly think about things just a little more before airing. The last section was cringe worthy. This is a racism problem not a "left" problem. How do you say "immigration is a problem" without being accused of being racist??
If you don't want things like this going forward, close down GB "news" and talk TV
It's mainly social media
@@muha5593 the UK’s answer to Breitbart, Fox and Newsmaxx
We were warned about the pros and cons of multi-culturalism decades ago, no one listened it was perceived as racist rhetoric, and here we are, more calls to ignore people's issues and close down and censor everything, like that will fix anything.... IT WILL MAKE MATTERS WORSE!!!
@@timothyrussell4445 it's actually a mainstream view that immigration needs to be dealt with so make of that what you will timmy
The way of defeating extreme xenophobia is not with mild xenophobia but with extreme acceptance of immigrants. We are sold austerity, privatisation, financialization, growing inequality and told that poor people and immigrants are the problem
That’s working well then !
30/40 years of your first sentence !!!
Sorry "standing army" sounds like an excuse to have a militarized police force, like in the US
Far right thugs vandalizing, looting etc is not terrorism?
Only the state gets to use that label. And that they didn't should tell you something..
I disagree
In the US they call it domestic terrorism.
ITS TERRORISM
I’m American and I feel for you. As is well known we have our own struggles with racial divisions. I don’t even have to imagine something like that happening here in America because it’s seems we too are headed in the same direction. Everyone deserves to feel safe.
Keir starmer is useless. He’s response to this crisis is absolutely appalling. He doesn’t call out the blatant racism and terrorisim that is so obvious. It’s almost like he wants this anarchy to continue.
Where's this Suella braverman!?? 😂😂she doesn't see anything peaceful protest like this (Riots) 😂
Welcome back to the brilliant Ash!
I’m white, pale skin, red hair, blue-grey eyes, I have less British dna than my brown best friend.
I’m a concerned person most of the time, but this is so frightening to watch, I can’t look at it. Utterly shameful.
Imagine if these rioter were Muslims the army would have been there already.
GB news , Talk Tv and many more needs investigation
Starmer will have to get Police out of their offices because there are not enough in the country to deal with these racists.
British media calling them "anti-immigration protesters " is a disgrace, get the Army in.
I’m from the US and it seemed like there were not a lot of police there or sometimes not at all. I thought maybe that’s how they police there.
I thought Ash,s perspective on the economic angle was the most pertinent.
And after this people will still deny a link between hateful speech and violence.
In the 80s, the police protected the NF and BNP.
@@lewis_seftonbot..
A clear sign that the people of this country didn’t want the migration. Government mandate after government mandate to reduce migration ignored. And you wonder why this is happening, the people of this country never wanted the country to be like what it is today
A lot of those rioters aren't poor left behind working class, many of them have got well paid jobs, like Englands football hooligans of the recent past, you can't afford to travel all over the place if you're skint.
Yes, it trickles down from the elite.
Exactly this. Let's stop using poverty to excuse their white supremacy. Remember, Tice and Farage are upper middle class. It's not about class.
@@taliamink5175 2 of the first people charged, 1 is a company director, the other a self employed builder, both remanded, they're the typical Tory types.
Shame on you Ed Balls
I got kicked out of a doctors surgery in Glasgow for being a "foreigner" despite my British passport and national insurance number.
I was told they could be forgeries!
I was so sick o was barely able to stand, but the receptionist turned me out.
How awful! 😢
Where are you from?
Ridiculous
Where did this happen I am appalled. I live in Glasgow. I hope this has been sorted out. If not please seek help this is unacceptable. No one gets turned away when they are sick. I would be writing to my local MP and counsellor if I were you. If you need any help to do this I am happy to help.
@@roseannemain9957Rose I'm in Pumpherston, West Lothian and got ankylosing spondylitis and other issues and live alone now after divorce. I'm not longer quick on my feet and worry if it comes to it where would you advise me to seek shelter as I'm alone literally
The irony is that people identify as English simply because they live on territory owned by the ruling class (the old Monarchy). Without this ruling class, "England" as a concept would not exist. When people are raised to believe in the nation, which is only a social construct used to govern them, they internalize it as their identity. The system meant to rule over them becomes their sense of self. Democracy and nationalism are closely related as well, as no democratic system functions without nationalism. Nationalism is a perfect tool to cover up any inherent class differences (property owners vs. labour). Because of this connection, fascism is always a potential threat, since it represents the ultimate implementation of idelistic nation state, where all class differences are put under the greater good of the nation. The greater good of the nation is also popular among democratic leaders. So , democracy and fascism share fundamental ideological elements, making it relatively easy transition from one to the other. The is also very clear in the migrant discussion, when the line of arguments between the democratic nation-state ideology and a fascist nation-state ideology becomes hard to distinguish. To effectively combat fascism, you need to deconstruct and dismantle the ideology of the nation-state first.
If national boundaries are dissolved, how will people define their principles and economic models? Money can go anywhere. Jobs can go anywhere, but people are stuck in their respective countries. Maybe that’s a big part if the problem
My favourite takeaway so far. 👌👍
If these people really cared about the country they would be at parliament not smashing up society
The bots have been busy the last couple of weeks. Some of them are quite subtle "You're right, but.... ". Fascist Voice of Reason.
Ever wonder if they might have some valid points?
Seems a little arrogant to me to assume you have all the correct answers.
All I've seen is the same what about this what about that comments 100s of times.
If ppl do not hear, listen, then it's hard to address the problems and bring ppl together.
@JasperTees-y8z valid points are two a penny. Perspective is for grown-ups.
@@ppetal1 Definitely. And that’s why it’s so scary having a bunch ideological morons in charge like we have now.
Then again the Tories were no better.
Missed Ash, glad she's back 🎉
Take Care Ash,,
You Beautiful Human..
The money spent on a standing army could be better used by bringing all poor communities out of poverty and improving the housing crisis.
The military budget really isn’t that big only about 2% and remember the Army was initially deployed to Northern to protect catholics from being burned out of their homes.
Government need to force their parents into work to make their home better. Have proper nutrition food and stop interfering in how parents raise them kids. This is what happened when they don't allow parents to be parents.
Ferage is the master mind behind this hatred demonstrations, he sends coded messages to the thugs
You lot need to get Barnaby on more often to keep Michael in check.
"In check"? What do you mean by that?
I miss barnaby where is he?
Whenever Michael has a dissenting opinion to the rest of Novara, I find myself much more on his side of the argument. Well done Michael for challenging the echo chambers I feel Ash/Aaron/etc end up in
Ed Balls interviewing his own wife perfectly sums up how ludicrous the British media is. Balls is just there because he punches left, journalistic ability is zero
Heartbreaking as a person used to live in UK during my doctorate research from 2006 graduate 2012 went back home Dubai love UK and its people always greate example of love hope and kindness now very sad to see chaos hate and division wish all to be safe and this crazy nonsense stop amen ✌️
Fortunate that you left at the right time.
Thanks @ Joe I still visit beloveds Sheffield between time to time because of it lovely people
Has anybody asked why Tommy Robinson is staying in Cyprus, where the British Airbase in Akrotiri is enabling the Gaza genocide?
Quite disappointed with Michael. That was horrible questioning at the end, almost GB News level.
How can they keep him? It`s disgusting, the positions he holds and how he either doesn`t listen or pretends to not understand arguments? He is not playing devils advocate, he is skewing things Ash says.
Things did get a bit weird with him at the end there... not sure what that was about
"At what point does the number become racist?" ughhh
Honestly, never thought I’d hear such a thoughtless reproduction of a right wing talking point on NM. Also astonishing that he would ask Ash this in such a cold hearted way, totally dehumanising this topic, while Ash is feeling this on a very personal level. It was really quite uncalled for and I hope he apologises for this.
Sounds like someone has been listening to 'galaxy brain' podcasters
I am disgusted with these thugs some are far right and others I think just want a fight I'm white and it scares me to go out 😢 Britain is in a mess come on starmer end this now even if you need the army
Hi guys, love you! I'd counter the last argument right at the end about numbers of migrants, as follows: whilst I know realistically unchecked open borders is likely unrealistic, reducing migrants to mere numbers is dehumanizing and sort of the first step in a journey that eventually leads to racism at some point if such talk is left unchecked. Hence the incredibly low standard of political speech about migrants in the UK overall. Just a nameless faceless statistic is easy to other and subject to further dehumanizing processes such as being kept in the perpetual liminal space of a hotel mirrored by the perpetual liminal state of remaining unprocessed by immigration. The entire system is set up to keep them faceless and nameless, which should be deemed an illegal form of cruel and unusual punishment. The unfortunate thing is that in the UK and many other countries, arguments for inward migration are framed in terms of numbers and how those numbers of migrants can be "useful" in economic terms. As such, discussions already start off somewhere along the unfortunate road to perdition this way.
this is a take i can get behind
We have a fine history of confronting fascism and we need to learn the lessons of the past and confront them at every opportunity. We are the majority and we need to counter the fascists when they come on the streets.
I agree….
The Police definitely have an agenda. Giving permission to he gathering of far right should never have happened in the first place. It occurred on the same day that there was a Bristol Rovers vs Bristol City - an event that always involves violence. So you have a large number of worked up people just down the road from the gathering of far right thugs. Also just down the road is a facility housing immigrants. The anti fascist (counter demonstrators) knew that this would be a target and so had created a cordon around the sight to protect those inside. What I'd like to ask is where we're the police at this site. If the anti fascist lot could work it out why weren't the police there BEFORE the thugs turned up?!!!!. It was only after the fascist thugs arrived that there was any kind of police presence 😔
Everyone seems to be talking about symptoms. Extreme inequality is the main issue imo. Start by reversing privatisation and tax companies and the rich to fund commodities for all so services are restored. We need an economy (circular?) that is more stable and not just focused on perpetual growth. The rest will follow. Want an extreme measure? Stop paying CEO’s and the like exorbitant wages and bonuses. Do billionaires need to exist?
No they don't & your analysis is excellent. Reduce the inequality & it will swiftly reduce the numbers involved to just the hard core racists.
The problem is people seeing the culture and identity of their country rapidly changing against their will. Simple as that, you can reduce inequality all you like but if an entire identity of people is being erased racial tension will persist
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What does "an entire identity of people" mean?
@@redflag4781 A group of people with a cultural and ethnic connection to each other due to the fact that they were for the most part a large homogeneous group for centuries
@F.O.O
Ahhhhh, so you're a proponent of "great replacement theory". Also known as a racist.
Adding cultural & ethnic groups does not erase any preexisting cultural or ethnic group.
Their is a under class they listen to Gb news and talk tv and all the online pratts.
GB News, the UK’s answer to Fox Entertainment!
Gutter press at its glorious best
Why is Nigel Farage using the word "they" when referring to the far right? Is he doing the self-selective pronoun thing now? "We", surely? "I"?
I thought that word didn't exist for those people
Starmer and wobinson have the same paymaster .
@@freedom4639how is Starmer on holiday?
Stop making things up
It is astonishing how hopelessly outnumbered the police seem to be. In every video, they look like they are losing - and they just stood back in terror behind their shields as rioters went into that hotel.