I run a 102" whip on my Tram 5" magnet triple mount. Done high speeds, hit plenty of things with it. Never had any sign it would fly off. I'm pretty convinced you can't lose your mobile antenna, ANY of them, with these mount.
@@brentOhlookAsnake I used the 102" whip for CB and 10 meter. I actually did use it straight for 20m one time with my MFJ matcher one time, it wasn't great but actually worked. More tests with my analyzer suggest I should probably using the matcher on 10 meters as well.....
You forget the mast ! The mast is needed and then swr is perfect ! I use this antenna und works perfect .. do all Europe with very Good Reports .. I don’t drive with that . Only when car is stopped
@@hamradiocq yes , for driving is not good ....I use it only for maybe F&F activation ... the tripod adapter works also well ... 3 bands at the same time ... I use same magnetic foot as you and have good swr 1.4 ... only 40 m has very small bandwidth
I would put two magnets facing forward and the 3rd facing the rear. It seems to me the wind would have to push against two magnets with one in the rear. I’d trust it in that orientation.
@@hamradiocq Aerodynamics suffer if the one magnet in the front pops and the antenna flies off (not going to happen but...) With the two in the front it will hold better. To demonstrate try pulling the antenna off with two magnets away from you compared to one away from you. Just my opinion and experience. With this mount and a MFJ 20M Ham Stick I had Boy Scouts talking SSB to Belgium and Japan from Texas on 100 Watts. Good luck and love the videos. de KE5ES
The mag mount will hold for sure. Put two magnets facing forward. Replace the spring with Hustler solid (tubing) mast. Your placement is the best on a vehicle and is paramount if you want performance. The 54" mast would be best. Also get the much slender resonator from Hustler. Less wind resistance.
The hustler resonators were meant to be mounted on a 22 - 54" mast, or in the case of the 75/80 also on top of an 4BTV base vertical. They are great resonators and WatersStanton (YT channel) is also using them mounted directly on a base. I think that next to a larger screwdriver, the Hustler antennas are probably the best. I used them for years.
Hi Tom, You need one of the Hustler masts with the resonator. The 22" one should work, but I use the 54" MO-2 with my resonators. I have not used them with a magnetic mount and only at home. WJ3U
@@hamradiocq I have the MO-1, and got 1.18 SWR and 21 dB return loss on 20 metres. Obviously I am only going to use this on the top of my vehicle only while parked. 73 VE7NDE
As in some earlier post you need a mast. Most use the 54 inch mast, but there is a 22 inch mast that comes with a longer stinger to go on top of the resonator. If stick with what you have you need a way longer stinger. For what you have there the magnet would be just fine, but if you get one of the mast don't use the magnet unless you are parked somewhere.
I have an older version of that antenna, and with an 80m hamstick on it I traveled 1100 miles from Ma to GA , ave speed 70mph interstate. (hit 75 and 80 couple times . you cud hang a 102 inch steel whip off that sucker it won't go anywhere!. trust it. you also found out abt low and high pwr chk out swr. cool! nicely done. thanks again for sharing Tom. de Ellis
Just added my old RM-20-S on top of my Hustler mast on an MFJ mag mount on top of my Ford Escape. Center loaded vertical configuration. Tuned for resonance with my new MFJ antenna analyzer and called CQ on 14.307 after asking if the frequency was in use. Told that I was interfering with a net in Hawaii! I guess it works. I have the 430S grounded to the car frame and SWR is 1.2:1. Then I broke through a pile up after 3 calls and worked Italy with a 5x7. All fixed mobile in my driveway. I wouldn't use this antenna while moving. Should be good for POTA, standing still. Mel, K2JWD
Hey, Melvin I love that story. Talk about a great way to get a bad report to know it works! I will be releasing an interesting mobile/portable video soon.
I ran a triple mag with the original ham sticks on 17m and 20m back in the early 2000’s with my IC-706 (the original, not the Mk2) and never had any problems, used to chat with European hams on my commute into work in the morning and US stations on my commute home in the evening. Bonding will get that SWR down. I’d go with the longest possible whip too, the solar cycle hasn’t really arrived yet.
it will be fine., if you look at your shadow running down the road, the ananna will actually catch very little wind up there. My dual band is on a single magnet on both of my vehicles. never had a problem yet.
1k output? Wow. I have had terrible luck with HF mag mounts. The coil is ground, so right out the gate you are running on a loading coil. I use a door jam / trunk antenna mount and a HF whip, works great. ( on 40 and above, I bonded the doors and body ) As far as the mag mount, you want to glue on felt or a thin piece of inner tube type rubber. The mount alone won’t move but it will leave rings over time. Water gets trapped in between the mount and the roof. I have had to buff out the marks from the mag mounts we use on fleet vehicles at work after extended amounts of time.
Hey JMTAUL. I hear what you are saying. This car is getting older now and I fully expect it to get hail damage lol. I have no plans to sell it. I also plan to use this antenna mostly while parked.
Tom, I think you'll find that a Hustler mast will improve your results. I think there is a 2 foot mast available. It will work great. I think you are OK with that Mag Mount. I've used it with much larger antennas and it never budged. Thanks for the great video. 73, George K2WO.
Move that mag mount to the rear of the roof when you drive and you will only get a good reading not near any structures what your swrs really are. If you want to go one step further take a wire and ground it to your chassis or your rear hatch bolts. Good luck
For an RF ground 6in is long so it wont help a lot to add one where your are mounted. You do get RF capacitor coupled with that mag mount. The point is your antenna has a high Q and very short for 20m. A longer whip and more adjustment you can get to a more reasonable SWR.
Hi Tom, Great test you have done. I have recently imported the 80.40,20,15,11,10 Hustler Super resonators from HRO to compliment the FT857D and Ameritron ALS-500MR setup. Running them in a base loaded configuration, the only one that would give a good SWR was 80m. As others have indicated a mast underneath them is required to lower the SWR and improve efficiency,which I plan to do. I am still in the trial days due to winter weather making things unpleasant out side. 73 de ZL1PO, way down here in the South Pacific Ocean.
Hey John very interesting comment. I couldn't imagine winter weather as it's been a heat wave draught for months here now : ) I will checkout your gear online. Tnx
The resonator is not meant to be the whole antenna. I use a 54 inch mast and the resonator is simply top loading. I have the complete set of resonators for 80 through 10. The mast alone will even work on 6 meters. The current distribution on any antenna is always zero at the open end building up to maximum current at 1/4 wave down from the end. With a short antenna you can put a loading coil at the bottom ( high current point = high loss) or at or near the top ( low current = low or lower loss). I think top loading is always best if you have a choice. Current is what causes radiation. You want to have as much current as possible over as long a length as possible. Top loading does this better than bottom loading.
On RBN, you can call "CQ TEST" and get a report. That will cut down on probability of getting a call back. To run mobile on the cheap, use your mag mount, a wolf river coil, and a 5-6 foot whip. You'll do well on 10-40 mtrs.
Another great and informative video. I wonder if centering the antenna base a bit more will help. I have been wanting to get that type of magnet for the same purpose as you. Thank you very much for posting this video. All the best, KG5OBD
Glad it was helpful! I'm going to be using it a lot this weekend (hopefully). Stay tuned and I'll show you what I do. I am driving to my mom's house and I want to use it as a stationary mount for the long whip antenna.
The tri-magnet will hold the antenna just fine. There's not much wind load on a hustler antenna . I have used them in the past. And using the hustler 22" shaft will help out on the SWR. 73 AE4OY WILLIAM EM-81UF
Heads up on the shield contact on the magnet it might just be a light pressure contact and once moisture gets in there its done, Cost me a expensive radio repair. Also you might find if you can run a jumper from the shield to the car frame you will see much better performance. In my case I tapped a hole in to the triangle and bolted the shield contact to it and then attached vis alligator clips from that to the frame. Then just covered it all with hot glue to keep water out. Did not help on the receive but on the transmit it was night and day.
Like some of the others have said, face 2 of the disks towards the front. Also, since they are so cheap try an mfj-2320T mini 20 meter hamstick. Lower wind profile, excellent bandwidth, great receive for the size.
I have run Hustler mobile antennas for years. You really need to have at least the short 22" long lower mast under the resonator if you want decent performance. They can be tuned without but will perform much, much better with the addition of a lower mast section under the spring.
Tom, I think you will be fine with the magnet mount. It looks solid. There is always the possibility (slight) of the antenna structure failing / breaking but that would be the case regardless of the mount. Anxious to hear what you think.
I believe those magnets have rubber on the bottom of them, preventing grounding to the car's roof. Maybe you can clip a lead from the magnet frame to the car body. Nice radio and Begali, awesome choices. Fernando N2FQ/6
Not to worry with 3 magnets. It's a rather short antenna you have there. I use one magnet (16 cm diameter) with my Diamond 700H, (almost 1 m long), travel up to 180 km/h and it just stays put.
That mount will hold a lot if you have good steel under it. I always run my Hustler resonators mounted on a hustler mobile mast that gives you a center loaded antenna, much more efficient radiator. you can also get a multi mount under the resonator and get up to 4 band antenna. I ran that at Scout camp not knowing what band would be hot. That is a good resonator they sell smaller diameter resonators but you lose band width.
you can order it from hustler site. just got 20 40 mo3 mast and the tram 5 in mount. just for pota. if all works out going to get the multi band adapter. shipping was cheaper there then ebay.
The real pain for mag mounts is having to glue a steel plate between the roof and the inside roof felt trim if you have a vehicle that is aluminum to even use a mag mount.
You won’t have a single issue with that 3-mag mount. Especially with that short of an antenna. Don’t worry. I’ve seen CB guys run these mag mounts with 102” whips on them at 80mph and never had an issue.
I tried a mag mount like that but it wouldn’t fit around the ridges in the roof of my Toyota Highlander. Went with a single mag that fit between the ridges. I don’t drive with an antenna in the mount though.
I would get unlimited nationwide minutes and just phone him. And , by the way i bought the same identical tram mag mount. Huge SWRS. i put it with all my other bad ideas. Cheers
It will not come off with those three magnets. I would be comfortable with it. Also measure out 3 lengths of wire for 20m. put each wire under the outer edge of each magnet and spread them out. your reflected power should be reduced dramatically. (aka SWR)
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I had a friend who had one of those triple mag mounts. He went everywhere with it. No problem.
Sound good.
I run a 102" whip on my Tram 5" magnet triple mount. Done high speeds, hit plenty of things with it. Never had any sign it would fly off. I'm pretty convinced you can't lose your mobile antenna, ANY of them, with these mount.
Hey, King, thanks for the comment. I'll go ahead and use it I think.
If you are still active on TH-cam lol. Did you use a loading coil or matching unit with the 102” whip
@@brentOhlookAsnake I used the 102" whip for CB and 10 meter. I actually did use it straight for 20m one time with my MFJ matcher one time, it wasn't great but actually worked. More tests with my analyzer suggest I should probably using the matcher on 10 meters as well.....
You forget the mast ! The mast is needed and then swr is perfect ! I use this antenna und works perfect .. do all Europe with very Good Reports .. I don’t drive with that . Only when car is stopped
You're right, I do have one that came with my MP1 Super Antenna I can use for now but I don't want to drive with it.
@@hamradiocq yes , for driving is not good ....I use it only for maybe F&F activation ... the tripod adapter works also well ... 3 bands at the same time ... I use same magnetic foot as you and have good swr 1.4 ... only 40 m has very small bandwidth
exactly. How do you forget the mast???
I would put two magnets facing forward and the 3rd facing the rear. It seems to me the wind would have to push against two magnets with one in the rear. I’d trust it in that orientation.
That's interesting I'm hearing that a lot in these comments. My theory was that it was more aerodynamic with 1 in front.
@@hamradiocq Aerodynamics suffer if the one magnet in the front pops and the antenna flies off (not going to happen but...) With the two in the front it will hold better. To demonstrate try pulling the antenna off with two magnets away from you compared to one away from you. Just my opinion and experience. With this mount and a MFJ 20M Ham Stick I had Boy Scouts talking SSB to Belgium and Japan from Texas on 100 Watts. Good luck and love the videos. de KE5ES
I agree, i used to put 2 in the front and 1 on the rear.
The mag mount will hold for sure. Put two magnets facing forward. Replace the spring with Hustler solid (tubing) mast. Your placement is the best on a vehicle and is paramount if you want performance. The 54" mast would be best. Also get the much slender resonator from Hustler. Less wind resistance.
I have since been driving around with it, it is fine. Tnx.
It won’t even know that tiny antenna is there. I’ve seen that mount hold a 108” whip at freeway speeds.
Ditto!!!
Ha! You're probably right. I just know weird things happen when wind starts to kick up.
The hustler resonators were meant to be mounted on a 22 - 54" mast, or in the case of the 75/80 also on top of an 4BTV base vertical. They are great resonators and WatersStanton (YT channel) is also using them mounted directly on a base. I think that next to a larger screwdriver, the Hustler antennas are probably the best. I used them for years.
Ok
Hi Tom,
You need one of the Hustler masts with the resonator. The 22" one should work, but I use the 54" MO-2 with my resonators. I have not used them with a magnetic mount and only at home. WJ3U
You're right, I do have one that came with my MP1 Super Antenna I can use for now but I don't want to drive with it.
@@hamradiocq I have the MO-1, and got 1.18 SWR and 21 dB return loss on 20 metres. Obviously I am only going to use this on the top of my vehicle only while parked.
73 VE7NDE
I used the RM s series with the 54" foldover mast and a homebrew KW amp. Busting pile ups from the mobile was easy
As in some earlier post you need a mast. Most use the 54 inch mast, but
there is a 22 inch mast that comes with a longer stinger to go on top
of the resonator. If stick with what you have you need a way longer stinger.
For what you have there the magnet would be just fine, but if
you get one of the mast don't use the magnet unless you are parked somewhere.
Thanks for the info!
The mag mount we be fine. I've run single mag mount at 85 mph. And have never had a problem
Ok, tnx
I have an older version of that antenna, and with an 80m hamstick on it I traveled 1100 miles from Ma to GA , ave speed 70mph interstate. (hit 75 and 80 couple times . you cud hang a 102 inch steel whip off that sucker it won't go anywhere!. trust it. you also found out abt low and high pwr chk out swr. cool! nicely done. thanks again for sharing Tom. de Ellis
I just bought a hamstick. That's my next endeavor.
Just added my old RM-20-S on top of my Hustler mast on an MFJ mag mount on top of my Ford Escape. Center loaded vertical configuration. Tuned for resonance with my new MFJ antenna analyzer and called CQ on 14.307 after asking if the frequency was in use. Told that I was interfering with a net in Hawaii! I guess it works. I have the 430S grounded to the car frame and SWR is 1.2:1. Then I broke through a pile up after 3 calls and worked Italy with a 5x7. All fixed mobile in my driveway. I wouldn't use this antenna while moving. Should be good for POTA, standing still. Mel, K2JWD
Hey, Melvin I love that story. Talk about a great way to get a bad report to know it works! I will be releasing an interesting mobile/portable video soon.
I ran a triple mag with the original ham sticks on 17m and 20m back in the early 2000’s with my IC-706 (the original, not the Mk2) and never had any problems, used to chat with European hams on my commute into work in the morning and US stations on my commute home in the evening. Bonding will get that SWR down. I’d go with the longest possible whip too, the solar cycle hasn’t really arrived yet.
Nice comment and agreed.
it will be fine., if you look at your shadow running down the road, the ananna will actually catch very little wind up there. My dual band is on a single magnet on both of my vehicles. never had a problem yet.
Hey Okie. I'll give it a try. I just know weird things can happen to stuff outside of cars and trailers at speed.
You don't have the bottom half of the antenna, Where's the mast section?
i run a 22in truck ext. and a spring + 40m resenator at 80mph
I have a 20m Shark mini hamstick with same mag mount you have. VSWR 1.1
The mini ham stick antennas work great and you can really get good results with the SWR by adjusting the length of the whip.
I'll look that up, but I don't need to spend any more money!!!
@@hamradiocq replace that lost set screw too. The screws on mini sticks are not stainless steel so I replaced them. Cheap preventative medicine.
1k output? Wow. I have had terrible luck with HF mag mounts. The coil is ground, so right out the gate you are running on a loading coil. I use a door jam / trunk antenna mount and a HF whip, works great. ( on 40 and above, I bonded the doors and body ) As far as the mag mount, you want to glue on felt or a thin piece of inner tube type rubber. The mount alone won’t move but it will leave rings over time. Water gets trapped in between the mount and the roof. I have had to buff out the marks from the mag mounts we use on fleet vehicles at work after extended amounts of time.
Hey JMTAUL. I hear what you are saying. This car is getting older now and I fully expect it to get hail damage lol. I have no plans to sell it. I also plan to use this antenna mostly while parked.
@@hamradiocq gotcha.
Tom, I think you'll find that a Hustler mast will improve your results. I think there is a 2 foot mast available. It will work great. I think you are OK with that Mag Mount. I've used it with much larger antennas and it never budged. Thanks for the great video. 73, George K2WO.
Yeah, for now I'll use my MP1 Super antenna mast portion and get the hustler one later.
@@hamradiocq Tom, that should work fine, just make sure everything it tight. Have fun! Looking forward to follow up videos. 73, George K2WO
Move that mag mount to the rear of the roof when you drive and you will only get a good reading not near any structures what your swrs really are. If you want to go one step further take a wire and ground it to your chassis or your rear hatch bolts. Good luck
Yeah I hear ya. Next step is grounding.
For an RF ground 6in is long so it wont help a lot to add one where your are mounted. You do get RF capacitor coupled with that mag mount. The point is your antenna has a high Q and very short for 20m. A longer whip and more adjustment you can get to a more reasonable SWR.
Hi Tom,
Great test you have done.
I have recently imported the 80.40,20,15,11,10 Hustler Super resonators from HRO to compliment the FT857D and Ameritron ALS-500MR setup. Running them in a base loaded configuration, the only one that would give a good SWR was 80m.
As others have indicated a mast underneath them is required to lower the SWR and improve efficiency,which I plan to do.
I am still in the trial days due to winter weather making things unpleasant out side.
73 de ZL1PO, way down here in the South Pacific Ocean.
Hey John very interesting comment. I couldn't imagine winter weather as it's been a heat wave draught for months here now : )
I will checkout your gear online. Tnx
Trust it Tom, I have only one and smaller and I do 120kmh and doesn't move... Your's will be fine for sure!
Hey Kiwi. That's the comment that seems to be what I'm getting. Giver a go. I think I need the mast though, 22" people been telling me.
The resonator is not meant to be the whole antenna. I use a 54 inch mast and the resonator is simply top loading. I have the complete set of resonators for 80 through 10. The mast alone will even work on 6 meters. The current distribution on any antenna is always zero at the open end building up to maximum current at 1/4 wave down from the end. With a short antenna you can put a loading coil at the bottom ( high current point = high loss) or at or near the top ( low current = low or lower loss). I think top loading is always best if you have a choice. Current is what causes radiation. You want to have as much current as possible over as long a length as possible. Top loading does this better than bottom loading.
On RBN, you can call "CQ TEST" and get a report. That will cut down on probability of getting a call back.
To run mobile on the cheap, use your mag mount, a wolf river coil, and a 5-6 foot whip. You'll do well on 10-40 mtrs.
Hey, Mike. I thought about that but I figured it meant Con-test. Thanks for comment friend
Another great and informative video. I wonder if centering the antenna base a bit more will help. I have been wanting to get that type of magnet for the same purpose as you. Thank you very much for posting this video. All the best, KG5OBD
Glad it was helpful! I'm going to be using it a lot this weekend (hopefully). Stay tuned and I'll show you what I do. I am driving to my mom's house and I want to use it as a stationary mount for the long whip antenna.
The tri-magnet will hold the antenna just fine. There's not much wind load on a hustler antenna . I have used them in the past. And using the hustler 22" shaft will help out on the SWR. 73 AE4OY WILLIAM EM-81UF
You're right, I do have one that came with my MP1 Super Antenna I can use for now but I don't want to drive with it.
Heads up on the shield contact on the magnet it might just be a light pressure contact and once moisture gets in there its done, Cost me a expensive radio repair. Also you might find if you can run a jumper from the shield to the car frame you will see much better performance. In my case I tapped a hole in to the triangle and bolted the shield contact to it and then attached vis alligator clips from that to the frame. Then just covered it all with hot glue to keep water out. Did not help on the receive but on the transmit it was night and day.
Great tips Scot, thanks!
Like some of the others have said, face 2 of the disks towards the front. Also, since they are so cheap try an mfj-2320T mini 20 meter hamstick. Lower wind profile, excellent bandwidth, great receive for the size.
Good tip!
I have run Hustler mobile antennas for years. You really need to have at least the short 22" long lower mast under the resonator if you want decent performance. They can be tuned without but will perform much, much better with the addition of a lower mast section under the spring.
You're right, I do have one that came with my MP1 Super Antenna I can use for now but I don't want to drive with it.
@@hamradiocq Is it the short mast?
Tom, I think you will be fine with the magnet mount. It looks solid. There is always the possibility (slight) of the antenna structure failing / breaking but that would be the case regardless of the mount. Anxious to hear what you think.
Yeah, from what I hear in the comments it will be fine. I am just paranoid. I had that mattress fly onto the highway once.
I believe those magnets have rubber on the bottom of them, preventing grounding to the car's roof. Maybe you can clip a lead from the magnet frame to the car body. Nice radio and Begali, awesome choices. Fernando N2FQ/6
Agreed.
Not to worry with 3 magnets. It's a rather short antenna you have there. I use one magnet (16 cm diameter) with my Diamond 700H, (almost 1 m long), travel up to 180 km/h and it just stays put.
Thanks fer comment.
With such short anternna the efficienty of antenna is very small like 1-2 percentages.
Sure it's not going to be great. Hopefully being up high on a hill or mountain makes up for it.
Do you have a choke on your coax for common mode current reduction, and car bonding straps, to keep your SWR down!?
Not yet Robbie, maybe I should add that.
Yes, I think that would hold ok up to 100mph.
Only one way to find out...... Vrrorooooom.
@@hamradiocq good luck, let us know how it goes.
That mount will hold a lot if you have good steel under it. I always run my Hustler resonators mounted on a hustler mobile mast that gives you a center loaded antenna, much more efficient radiator. you can also get a multi mount under the resonator and get up to 4 band antenna. I ran that at Scout camp not knowing what band would be hot. That is a good resonator they sell smaller diameter resonators but you lose band width.
I still need to get that mast. Meanwhile I can use my MP1 Super antenna Mast.
you can order it from hustler site. just got 20 40 mo3 mast and the tram 5 in mount. just for pota. if all works out going to get the multi band adapter. shipping was cheaper there then ebay.
you make morse look so easy..
I struggle too sometimes. : ) thanks
The real pain for mag mounts is having to glue a steel plate between the roof and the inside roof felt trim if you have a vehicle that is aluminum to even use a mag mount.
I plan on taking this off and on mostly and using while parked.
You won’t have a single issue with that 3-mag mount. Especially with that short of an antenna. Don’t worry. I’ve seen CB guys run these mag mounts with 102” whips on them at 80mph and never had an issue.
Ha you're right, I just get scared it'll rip off.
Sad you did not talk on 20 meters. CW will get through when voice cannot. So I am not sure how it will do on voice.
When I get a chance I'll try.
I tried a mag mount like that but it wouldn’t fit around the ridges in the roof of my Toyota Highlander. Went with a single mag that fit between the ridges. I don’t drive with an antenna in the mount though.
I see.... tnx for comment.
dont forget to bond the exhaust (muffler ) to the cars chassis
Will do
So, how often do you drive and send Morse code at the same time?
i never do. I need to write things down. at best I'd do SSB
Hi
Can groundwater vein signals be captured with the rosanans method? :)
I donno man!
@@hamradiocq ☹️
Where did you get the mag mount with the male 3/8 X 24thd? Thanks
Check the link in the description for product info.
Put it in the middle of the roof towards the back it will be fine.
Thanks Marty.
2 magnets front, one rear. It'll be fine.
Yeah I drive with it now.
I would get unlimited nationwide minutes and just phone him. And , by the way i bought the same identical tram mag mount. Huge SWRS. i put it with all my other bad ideas. Cheers
: ) Ha
SRI meant to say antenna mount. still trust it. de Ellis
Agreed.
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Agreed.
better add guy wires 🤣
which guy?
Stick with VHF and UHF
Nah
It will not come off with those three magnets. I would be comfortable with it.
Also measure out 3 lengths of wire for 20m. put each wire under the outer edge of each magnet and spread them out. your reflected power should be reduced dramatically. (aka SWR)
YEah, I have some radials cut for 20M already I'll probably make a way to connect them.
you should be using that resonator with the hustler MO-2 mast - it is how i have mine set up and it seems to work pretty well! :)