In my opinion, yes. The Navitimer is one of the most unique looking watches. Simplifying its utility and aesthetic raises the argument, why not simply purchase a Daytona or Speedmaster if you want a similarly priced and simpler chronograph? I really hope the old Navitimer stays, until I can buy one at least.
The original Navitimer is going nowhere. These Navi 8’s have now been rebranded as the Aviator 8 range as they are modelled on the Aviator range from the 50’s and 60’s. A decision made last year..
100% my words good sir. The old Navitimer is one of my dream watches and, given the fact the others are watches like the A. Lange & Söhne Tourbograph Perpetual, the navitimer is probably the first dream to come true. I love the look, the functions and the history, all of which are in my opinion lost in the new navitimer. The new model still is a beatuful timepiece but the reason to buy it over another watch is lost.
Unpopular opinion..... The Navitimer is a relic of a time passed. I actually fly airplanes for a living and I need a watch that is clear and easy to read. The dial on the navitimer is just to busy to be useful. The “flight computer” bezel is useless in actual operation. If you want a Chrono the Speedmaster is much more readable and useful option. The simpler Breitling Premier Chronos appeal more to me.
Fernando Ramos generally it’s basic arithmetic with some mental math but nothing too complicated. The complex things that used to require a manual flight computer also known as E6B have a lot of use when doing manual flight plans but in the airlines we use much more advanced flight planning computers normally originating from our dispatch center. Weight and Balance and performance has also moved on from paper forms and load sheets to electronic as well. It allows us to do a lot more with performance, load planning and efficiency than we could achieve ever achieve with manual methods.
I would just buy the Navitimer for a collectible piece. Even though modern aeroplanes renders these time pieces obsolete, I find it appealing just because it belongs to an era when slide rule and flight computers are essentials for a pilot. It's a classic. I don't really purchase a watch to be worn all the time. I wear them alternately. The Navitimer is a great watch to be worn in the early evening or late afternoon when you are drinking coffee with your spouse or relaxing beside a swimming pool. If I am flying, will just put my tool watch on. A Casio will suffice. 😁
Kyle Rogers - That’s what I was about to add. And I believe they did so rather quickly after having launched the new collection - the confusion was just too big. Surprised that WF’s video title is still „milking” this misstep.
The first Breitling I ever saw was worn by a WWII fighter pilot. His name was "Jessie" and he used to hang out at Caldwell Wright Airport in Fairfield, New Jersey back in the late 60s and 1970s. If memory serves correct his name was Jessie McKeon, or something similar. Jessie wore a real WWII Navitimer. As a 17-year-old "line boy" who used to fuel airplanes at "Caldwell Wright" (now "Essex County Airport, KCDW, where JFK, Jr. departed) I often wondered how this WWII pilot was able to wear his WWII bomber jacket with perfectly ironed Khaki tan flight officer pants with spit-shined leather boots every day of the week. I heard he used to fly P-51s during the war. The slide rule function on the watch was designed to be similar to a mini-E6B navigator's circular slide-rule but without all the other bells and whistles. It worked. Pilots were able to use their watches to calculate their ground speed, time to the next checkpoint, and other functions the E-6B computer could do. Besides his reputation, the thing I admired most was his WWII vintage Navitimer.
Tony blundetto an the asian have fought over the correct pro- nounciation of north caldwell... An opening in 3 daysszzz partner... An watching tony do you all the work.. Painting an shit.. An the fish tank goes everywhere.. Its north caldwell !!!!.the sopranos.....
Great story daffidavit except that the Navitimer debuted in 1952, seven years after the end of WWII. Perhaps Jesse was wearing a Chronomat? Or maybe it was the Korean war?
@@coopdivi He said he was wearing it in the 60's,so could have bought it in the '50's and you are right it wasn't available until '52 maybe a different model Breitling?
As a massive Breitling fan, I can't help but to turn my nose up at Georges Kern's changes. Yes, Breitling needs to change, that much is known to anyone who pays attention to the market, but I don't think that's the way to go. He's approaching Breitling the way he approached IWC and I don't think that's smart. He's destroying the brand's identity by changing its core watches and logo to cater to potential buyers (especially in the Asian market) that don't even take the brand seriously. You can't make everyone happy, yet he wants to please the Schneider era fans, the vintage fans and people who don't buy Breitlings. And by doing so, he's pushing away the customers that support the brand. Yes, more money is great, but at the expense of your identity and fanbase? I don't think so. Not only that, but he said he'd cut down the number of watches (something that I agree that needs to be done) but then Baselworld comes around and he launches some 10 new watches. This has to be a joke. If you don't think these are bad decisions, just ask yourself if Rolex would change its logo, launch a GMT-Master III without rotating bezel, and start making 44mm watches to cater to potential buyers.
Zonda I disagree and as an owner of 7 Breitlings, both old and modern, the brand was failing to move with the times. It needed to change and draw from its past rather than the horrible 90’s....with large jangly crap... It’s attracting more people with the Premier range and remodelled SuperOceans. The SO Heritage 2 is their biggest seller. The Navitimer 8 is in fact based on the historic Aviator range and has now been changed to the Aviator 8 - so this video is already out of date.
@@FacPhoto If you're a fan of the brand and you're liking the direction its heading towards then I'm happy for you. You're gonna enjoy it a lot more than I will. You're absolutely right, they needed to move on, but I don't think they're doing it right. I mean, ffs, they're still selling brand new watches with the old logo. This is like Audi selling a brand new R8 with a Auto Union badge. And big watches aren't a bad thing. Yes, they might not be popular anymore, but a lot of people can't wear 38mm watches. Not everyone has princess-like wrists, anything smaller than 44mm looks small on mine. I don't think the Heritage II was a mistake, it's a great watch and I'm happy it's Breitling's best seller. However, the Premier has a name and price issue imo. The name makes you think that it's some high-end Breitling line, but you can get those sub seconds-only versions for *less* than 4k USD. They should move the cheaper Premiers to the Galactic line and keep building the higher-end Premiers. And imo, the Avenger and the Chronomat are too similar. One of them needs to go. But I don't think they should always draw inspiration from the past. Just like with reissues, this makes it seem that all the good watches from that brand were already made and that they have no imagination to create new stuff. They need to reinvent, not reuse. And btw, I see that you didn't watch the video (at least not in it's entirety), because the "Aviator" name change is adressed.
They have barely changed anything. They just bring back classic from Breitling's history with some subtle modern twist. Perfect move. Now Breitling is the strongest as I ever remember. I even see some new models from Breitling becoming iconic timepieces. It actually now makes sense to invest into more than one timepiece from Breitling. I am glad about Breitling.
Zonda first of all wait to see the new avengers and new chronomat's... Then they don't have change the logo ..In the breitling catalogs allways coexist models with wings and without .. You talk about Mr.Kern and IWC ..When Mr.Kern left iwc the yearly revenue was close to Sfr 800m and in 2002 before Kern close to 40m ... I don't remember the exact numbers but yes...Now breitling has less than half the models compared to 2 years ago ..
I actually really like the new watch. It‘s very aesthetic in my eyes. It just shouldn‘t be called nor replace the Navitimer. It‘s something wholly different and in this case I can really appreciate it!
@@bikefreak5787 no. it was a navitimer aviator. They never stopped selling Navitimers...they have like 20 models of navitimer. They even acknowledge that in this video. The narrator was making a GUESS that they would change the navitimer to this...2 years later...that clearly hasn't happened. He just made a guess and was wrong.
I don't like breitling and never was a fan off but how can you take a unique design and make it look like every other chrono on the market? Just mind baffling.
That is just not a Navitimer, if they would have just call it a different name we would not even think about it. For me this have to be one of the biggest flops in recent years from such a big brand. You do not mess with the Navitimer as you would not mess with a Submariner. Iconic watches shoud be just twicked bot not changed like that.
I love my Navitimer and I'm so happy to learn that they renamed the new collection as the Aviator Series. They definitely got it wrong but by renaming it they're acknowledging that they are willing to listen to their customers and change accordingly. The new tribute AOPA Navitimer is gorgeous and one of the nicest releases this past decade IMHO. Cheers
At 3:40 the author refers to AOPA (the U.S. Aircraft Owner's and Pilot's Association this year is the 80th anniversary). I recall as a young pilot in the 1970s seeing advertisements in the AOPA magazine for a special AOPA made by "Breitling" which was similar to the WWI Navitimer. I recall the early versions of the watch having some reference to AOPA, but I'm not sure. But I recall very early 1970 AOPA magazines advertising "Breitling" watches on their pages as "aviation watches" similar to WWII watches.
I hope they are making both, the old, and the new? If not, big mistake! The old, for me, is the perfect piece, but the new is also nice as a more elegant rendition of the old design.
I've been watching these videos for a number of months. Dreaming mostly. But yesterday, I purchased my very first luxury swiss watch and it was a new Navitimer GMT. Thank you for making these videos and keeping our passion alive.
As an aviator and engineer I total appreciate the functionality of Navitimer. The watch works just like my slide rule I used in high school and during my initial pilot training. I am guessing with calculators and apps no younger person knows what a slide ruler is. But if you are going to take away the true function and soul of a watch have the common decency to at least name a replacement something else. Oh how I wonder who will sponsor the Reno Air Races. I am guessing that the old Breathing AOPA watches will be worth their weight in gold and then some.
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I like the watch but didn't like the name Navitimer 8, but now when they have changed the name to Aviator I am happy again!!
Not that I’m the most knowledgeable about watches, but just an anecdote. I’m a young guy, 25 going on 26, who’s been into watches since I was 16. The first watch I ever bought, after saving up for years and getting a big high school graduation gift from my parents, was a Tag Heuer Aquaracer. Why? I live by the ocean and occasionally dive, so I wanted something waterproof and reliable. I also wanted something simple. I looked at simple chronographs, but at the time even a tachymeter seemed a bit too busy. I actually remember seeing a Navitimer at my local watch store when I was researching what to get and was immediately turned off by it. “Too much going on,” I thought. “Too many lines, and intersecting circles, and tiny text I’ll never use.” Cut to now. In the past few years I’ve started learning my stuff when it comes to watch history. I’ve gotten into the vintage Japanese side of collecting, own a few tachymeter watches and even a World Timer from ‘73. And while I still don’t know if a Navitimer is for me, I can certainly appreciate the utility, history and craftsmanship that go into making it a powerful, wrist-portable computational device. The point being, I get that the classic look of the Navitimer could be a turnoff for the younger market, but this redesign strips away everything that made it stand out from the crowd. And it certainly risks losing out on the potential market of collectors who might’ve been building toward adding one to their collection
...as someone has prob realized, the new watch is a ringer for the Breitling Premier Reference 765, circa 1946, a three-hand, three sub-dial (3, 6 and 9) hand-wound in stainless steel case.
I do agree with a lot of the comments about the Navitimer DNA being lost. However, if you look closer, there are a few differentiating factors; The bezel for a start, the sub-dials are panda based which although common in a lot of watches still do not come with the overall package the navitimer has such as the B01 and of course the brand name Breitling. Going back to the so called panda dial, this panda dial does have some differentiation of its own. I do think it is a nice addition to the Breitling range giving access to a very old, romantic military chronograph design. I was quite sure that I would never feel the need to own 1 until i starting projecting my future collection with a traditional navitimer in it. I think this model will be a to go piece for second timers, second timers being those that have already purchased a Navitimer.
I've not thought about Breitling before but your excellent macro photography show that their dials are as crisp and clean in terms of dial ink as the very best. Thank you
That's cool 😌, I bought a premier with the b logo in January and love it , wear it over my Rolex and hublot every day . They still make wing logoed watches btw ... Theyre not completely gone
Short answer: almost. As long as a true-to-form Navi remains available, all is well. As soon as they move away from the timeless design across the board they're screwed
The "old" Navitimer carried tradition and more importantly, something entirely different from the available chronographs. This new version is everything but that as it's a simple chrono. In my mind, keeping the Navitimer model name was a mistake as it no longer truly one. Perhaps "Breitling ChronoTimer" would be, unfortunately, better suited.
The irony of the old navitimer is that it's a really spectacular tool to get the job done, no matter what the job is. The irony in that is that the people that actually DO need it and are able to master it completely, will never be able to get it.
They called the model Navitimer 8 in the beginning just for marketing, to attract peoples attention. As a decision of the last minute, and now they correct this and they rename to Aviator. I think both watches have space in Breitling line up, and this new watch is for the people who think the Navitimer has a dial too busy to use everyday, but like to have both in the collection.
This is not accurate...this model for a couple months now has been referred to as the Aviator 8. And it’s not like they are getting rid of the Navitimer line so I don’t understand this video
Vassilis Argiris just bad info all around. Nobody ever said this would replace the Navitimer. Meant to be more of a modern day pilots watch without the crazy slide rule and easy readability. Something more useful to modern day pilots. I usually like this guys videos but this was just bad all around, with bad information.
I agree the new Breitling doesn’t have the busyness and Power Reserve of the classic lineup BUT the new Navitimer has much better design language than they had a few years ago. I believe they are heading in the right directions...
I like it very much. It's cleaner and better designed for general usability of the mere public. I have owned a good few Breitlings over the years and would like to again. Not sure which one, though I do like the Transocean range. This new 8 is a good move for the company and I wish it well.
Kern has done well at IWC and I do like the direction in which he is taking Breitling. That clutter Breitlings used to be known for has become unfashionable just like digital watches with calculators, and the functions are of no use in the age of smart watches and smart mobiles. Decluttering is the way forward IMHO, I like the new clean lines.
I have an original navitimer and a B1. The navitimer is not only beautiful but it has function. I have been a commercial pilot for 30 years. In my day we were all taught how to use the navigation slide rule so we knew how to use the navitimer and I have done so for many years. Yes, I use all the new toys when flying today and it makes life easier and safer but I know I can revert to the simplicity of pencil and paper and the navitimer if I need to. It is comforting. I have no need of a Breitling that is not a navitimer. Calling a watch a navitimer without a slide rule makes absolutely no sense.
They just bring back classic from Breitling's history with some subtle modern twist. Perfect move. Now Breitling is the strongest as I ever remember. I even see some new models from Breitling becoming iconic timepieces. It actually now makes sense to invest into more than one timepiece from Breitling. I am glad about Breitling.
Navitimer is Breitling's icon ! One the most recognizable watches on the market. I love it ! But, yes, it's style and design shows it's day and age. Modern times require more streamlined design.
Breitling Navitimer will always be the three subdial chronometer with slide rule and tachometer. That is what makes it legend and a holy grail watch. Its powered by an inhouse engine where as the old ones likely were powered by a ETA/Valjoux 7750. There may be a smaller niche that likes the stripped down "8". But we want the old slide rule and tachometer equipped version.
I forgot to mention that I contacted Breitling to arrange a service for my original navitimer and they don’t support them anymore. I was shocked, why not? Anyway, I found a chap in Philadelphia who did a great job and sent me a personal letter about my watch which was a nice touch. I really don’t understand why any company of a prestigious watch would think it acceptable to drop the required support.
Heads up , the navitimer still exists today with. The wing logo and slide rule. The new model line aviator 8 or navitimer was instilled pre Georges Kern . Imo the brand is headed in the right direction.
@@badlarry172 yes at the end .. But the whole video and especially the title is intriguing and misleading since the whole series has changed both in design and as a name. A pointless video imho...
If Breitling rids the collection of the Navitimer, then I.M.O. They should cease making watches as “The Navitimer is the watch that i have always hoped to own.
A wonderful watch that I'd love to own BUT... It's just a swiss watch with an E6B bezel. What is the big deal? Also, replacing the iconic wings for a simplistic "B" is a huge downer.
I got lucky enough to hunt down an A23322 in prestine condition with flawless, spotless AR coating on bracelet with box and papers. To me it has always been my grail and the watch to end all watches. From this point on i am sure it will only increse in price so i think it is the best time to get that version.
As the the presenter mentioned towards the end of this video, Breitling has already renamed this watch the Aviator 8. A change from the Navitimer 8 because it is a nice looking Chronograph, but it is not a Navi.
Navitimer look is a classic the look will always sell but the thing is how.Change is good on thd case but the bracelet looks and still like the same without barely any improvements.Maybe that a good place to start.
I fear Breitling is doomed, that new Navitimer is just like all the other chronos on the market so what is the point? The old Navitimer is cool as, especially if you actually know how to use it!
I don’t think you would buy a Navitimer as an investment (you shouldn’t buy anything for that reason alone), so if you want a Breitling buy a second hand Navitimer, I got my now almost 20 year old Montbrillant for about £1000 ten years ago, it’s the right size, and hard to distinguish from any classic era Navitimer, you can still pick them up for a fraction of the price of a new one.
Out of all the chronographs on the market, out of the speedmaster and Daytona, the navitimer has always been my favourite, but the new one just looks all the other ones
That's why I went for the Navitimer Special edition ( very similar to the opening piece here ) as there are still the iconic wing and that ever so famous slide rule.
This is akin the new Landrover Defender (launched yesterday) compared to the illustrious 90 and 110 models with their wind up windows and cassette decks. Dumbed down and a little flashy.
The new one is just wrong. The previous version ticks all the right box. Navitimer with the slide rule is the way to go. Even with all the modern cockpit instruments, the watch with the slide rule still is the basics for all calculations needed by a pilot. I really would like to own the old Navitimer for a collectible piece. It's classic and a beauty.
Well, as long as the original Navitimer is not being replaced then that's fine. It's a risky step but the Navitimer 8 could appeal to people who like simplified, retro pilot watches. I quite like myself as well as the original so I'll have both :)
Very different. Further proof of the death numeracy. Young buyers wouldn't know how to use a slide rule no matter how loud the squeal they miss it. Perhaps if it came with a smart phone app to teach them basic calculation methods using a slide rule? This is a Navitimer for the upscale Fossil buyer.
Hi there, I recently purchased a brand new Breitling B55 watch from an authorised retailer in the UK. I straight had some issues with the watch, one digit was dodgy on the top screen and the bloutooth was acting up too. Went back to the retailer, they sent it to Breitling for repair. I got the watch back, now it looks all fine apart from one thing. When you first turn the watch on, you need to synchronise the time on the displays to the time shown by the hands. I noticed that I have to synchronise every day as the hands tend to fall behind a few seconds every day. Every second day it can add up to a minute or two so if I don’t synchronise hands will show wrong time. Anybody can help me in this please? Is this normal? Anybody has experience with the B55? Thank you in advance, Gary
I recently fell in love with this complex aviation watch. Eventually I bought the Sinn 903 st. It is such a beautiful watch. Decided on the Sinn because of the slightly smaller size and water resistence
The original navatimers had the same tricomplex (valjoux 72) set up which is more elegant and usable than the 7750. The new dial is actually legable at a glance (the whole purpose of a watch, right?) as opposed to the old which was a cluttered slide rule full of dopey calculations that no one would ever use.The new design is an actual pilots watch for an age of glass cockpits, not just an affectation.
I have been dreaming of owning a Navitimer since I became a pilot 14 years ago. Breitling changing their logo lost a customer when I bought my first Navitimer yesterday. I had to buy an "as new" secondhand watch. The new Navitimers with the B logo will never be the watch with the golden wings I always dreamed about.
I've got a 2015 Navitimer World and LOVE it, I don't see why they even call this new one the same...it's an insult to an amazing, beautiful, work-of-art
Thanks for always great videos! Could you review a movement instead of a watch? One of the most used in the industry, the ETA 2824 under its different versions. Thanks!
Breitling seems to be in a state of confusion, they’ll sell you a navitimer without the slide rule (the navi) or without the chronograph function (the timer). I don’t need to look too far into it to tell they’re confused, they will after all sell you a diver’s chronograph instead of doing what Rolex does and just engraving the tachometer into a non rotating bezel of roughly similar shape.
I like Breitling. It’s a shame to see it struggle because of unwise managerial/marketing strategies. Would be nice to see a video about the Heritage chrono. Especially the 44mm version with the in-house movement. There is yet to be a decent video online for that.
My Super Avenger 2 in steel with blue face and silver Chrono dials is stunning- that latest Navitimer is not so Stunning but at least they are trying .
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In my opinion, yes. The Navitimer is one of the most unique looking watches. Simplifying its utility and aesthetic raises the argument, why not simply purchase a Daytona or Speedmaster if you want a similarly priced and simpler chronograph? I really hope the old Navitimer stays, until I can buy one at least.
EXACTLY!
They won't be getting rid of it. Can you imagine Rolex without the Submariner? Audimars without the Royal Oak?
The original Navitimer is going nowhere. These Navi 8’s have now been rebranded as the Aviator 8 range as they are modelled on the Aviator range from the 50’s and 60’s. A decision made last year..
100% my words good sir. The old Navitimer is one of my dream watches and, given the fact the others are watches like the A. Lange & Söhne Tourbograph Perpetual, the navitimer is probably the first dream to come true. I love the look, the functions and the history, all of which are in my opinion lost in the new navitimer. The new model still is a beatuful timepiece but the reason to buy it over another watch is lost.
Because you cannot just go out and buy a Daytona! And the Daytona is nowhere near the same price range as the Navitimer.
‘There is simplification & there is obliteration’. Brilliant statement.
Haha im reading this comment and 2 sec later he says it.
Same here
What a statement indeed! Who writes these reviews must be in love with watches.
Very accurate statement.
@Avonmoremilk are you a troll?
Unpopular opinion..... The Navitimer is a relic of a time passed. I actually fly airplanes for a living and I need a watch that is clear and easy to read. The dial on the navitimer is just to busy to be useful. The “flight computer” bezel is useless in actual operation. If you want a Chrono the Speedmaster is much more readable and useful option. The simpler Breitling Premier Chronos appeal more to me.
Similar thoughts... hence why when went in to the boutique to purchase a navitimer, there was no competition....I bought the premier for bentley :)
Adam R Thanks for the input. As a pilot, what calculations would you find yourself having to make more often than not?
Fernando Ramos generally it’s basic arithmetic with some mental math but nothing too complicated. The complex things that used to require a manual flight computer also known as E6B have a lot of use when doing manual flight plans but in the airlines we use much more advanced flight planning computers normally originating from our dispatch center. Weight and Balance and performance has also moved on from paper forms and load sheets to electronic as well. It allows us to do a lot more with performance, load planning and efficiency than we could achieve ever achieve with manual methods.
I would just buy the Navitimer for a collectible piece. Even though modern aeroplanes renders these time pieces obsolete, I find it appealing just because it belongs to an era when slide rule and flight computers are essentials for a pilot. It's a classic. I don't really purchase a watch to be worn all the time. I wear them alternately. The Navitimer is a great watch to be worn in the early evening or late afternoon when you are drinking coffee with your spouse or relaxing beside a swimming pool. If I am flying, will just put my tool watch on. A Casio will suffice. 😁
I find the 43+ mm Navitimers very legible. The 41mm and smaller ones are usually missing the minute hash marks at the 3-6-9 positions.
The new one is fairly handsome, but very like many other chronos. That over-the-top uniqueness is gone. Not for me.
At the price point, the numerals look underwhelming to me. I really feel that Breitling has made some odd design choices in the last years.
Shouldn't be called a Navitimer.
Max Power Navinomat would have been better
Kyle Rogers - That’s what I was about to add. And I believe they did so rather quickly after having launched the new collection - the confusion was just too big. Surprised that WF’s video title is still „milking” this misstep.
Kyle Rogers Still doesn’t work without a tachymetere. 🤦♂️ Oh Breitling... You have lost your way. 😢
Kyle Rogers Where does the aviator theme show itself in this timepiece?
@@superseries7007 it doesn't!
The first Breitling I ever saw was worn by a WWII fighter pilot. His name was "Jessie" and he used to hang out at Caldwell Wright Airport in Fairfield, New Jersey back in the late 60s and 1970s. If memory serves correct his name was Jessie McKeon, or something similar. Jessie wore a real WWII Navitimer.
As a 17-year-old "line boy" who used to fuel airplanes at "Caldwell Wright" (now "Essex County Airport, KCDW, where JFK, Jr. departed) I often wondered how this WWII pilot was able to wear his WWII bomber jacket with perfectly ironed Khaki tan flight officer pants with spit-shined leather boots every day of the week. I heard he used to fly P-51s during the war. The slide rule function on the watch was designed to be similar to a mini-E6B navigator's circular slide-rule but without all the other bells and whistles. It worked. Pilots were able to use their watches to calculate their ground speed, time to the next checkpoint, and other functions the E-6B computer could do.
Besides his reputation, the thing I admired most was his WWII vintage Navitimer.
Tony blundetto an the asian have fought over the correct pro- nounciation of north caldwell... An opening in 3 daysszzz partner... An watching tony do you all the work.. Painting an shit.. An the fish tank goes everywhere.. Its north caldwell !!!!.the sopranos.....
Great story daffidavit except that the Navitimer debuted in 1952, seven years after the end of WWII. Perhaps Jesse was wearing a Chronomat? Or maybe it was the Korean war?
@@coopdivi He said he was wearing it in the 60's,so could have bought it in the '50's and you are right it wasn't available until '52 maybe a different model Breitling?
The Navitimer is the one, must-have Breitling piece for me. Such a stylish and utilitarian piece.
It's also a summer linen dress watch
Agree with you, is speacial classic..must have watch
@@rohitchowdary27 let's be honest, you can wear this timepiece to any dress...
It's as if Porsche redesigned the 911 and presented a Ford Focus to the world. Bonkers!
Is like porsche make one suv based on the look of the 911...Oh wait a moment ..
You mean: its as if BMW redesigned the 1 series and presented a Ford Focus...
It's as if Porsche redesigned the 911 and presented it as a Panamera or Macan. Oh, wait...
@@johnedwards7542 ...on VW's, you mean.
@@jmsterdam I was gobsmacked that the Ford is the nicer looking 1-Series. 🤣
As a massive Breitling fan, I can't help but to turn my nose up at Georges Kern's changes. Yes, Breitling needs to change, that much is known to anyone who pays attention to the market, but I don't think that's the way to go. He's approaching Breitling the way he approached IWC and I don't think that's smart.
He's destroying the brand's identity by changing its core watches and logo to cater to potential buyers (especially in the Asian market) that don't even take the brand seriously. You can't make everyone happy, yet he wants to please the Schneider era fans, the vintage fans and people who don't buy Breitlings. And by doing so, he's pushing away the customers that support the brand. Yes, more money is great, but at the expense of your identity and fanbase? I don't think so.
Not only that, but he said he'd cut down the number of watches (something that I agree that needs to be done) but then Baselworld comes around and he launches some 10 new watches. This has to be a joke.
If you don't think these are bad decisions, just ask yourself if Rolex would change its logo, launch a GMT-Master III without rotating bezel, and start making 44mm watches to cater to potential buyers.
Zonda I disagree and as an owner of 7 Breitlings, both old and modern, the brand was failing to move with the times. It needed to change and draw from its past rather than the horrible 90’s....with large jangly crap... It’s attracting more people with the Premier range and remodelled SuperOceans. The SO Heritage 2 is their biggest seller. The Navitimer 8 is in fact based on the historic Aviator range and has now been changed to the Aviator 8 - so this video is already out of date.
@@FacPhoto If you're a fan of the brand and you're liking the direction its heading towards then I'm happy for you. You're gonna enjoy it a lot more than I will. You're absolutely right, they needed to move on, but I don't think they're doing it right. I mean, ffs, they're still selling brand new watches with the old logo. This is like Audi selling a brand new R8 with a Auto Union badge.
And big watches aren't a bad thing. Yes, they might not be popular anymore, but a lot of people can't wear 38mm watches. Not everyone has princess-like wrists, anything smaller than 44mm looks small on mine.
I don't think the Heritage II was a mistake, it's a great watch and I'm happy it's Breitling's best seller. However, the Premier has a name and price issue imo. The name makes you think that it's some high-end Breitling line, but you can get those sub seconds-only versions for *less* than 4k USD. They should move the cheaper Premiers to the Galactic line and keep building the higher-end Premiers. And imo, the Avenger and the Chronomat are too similar. One of them needs to go.
But I don't think they should always draw inspiration from the past. Just like with reissues, this makes it seem that all the good watches from that brand were already made and that they have no imagination to create new stuff. They need to reinvent, not reuse.
And btw, I see that you didn't watch the video (at least not in it's entirety), because the "Aviator" name change is adressed.
They have barely changed anything. They just bring back classic from Breitling's history with some subtle modern twist. Perfect move. Now Breitling is the strongest as I ever remember. I even see some new models from Breitling becoming iconic timepieces. It actually now makes sense to invest into more than one timepiece from Breitling. I am glad about Breitling.
Zonda agree
Zonda first of all wait to see the new avengers and new chronomat's...
Then they don't have change the logo ..In the breitling catalogs allways coexist models with wings and without ..
You talk about Mr.Kern and IWC ..When Mr.Kern left iwc the yearly revenue was close to Sfr 800m and in 2002 before Kern close to 40m ...
I don't remember the exact numbers but yes...Now breitling has less than half the models compared to 2 years ago ..
I actually really like the new watch. It‘s very aesthetic in my eyes. It just shouldn‘t be called nor replace the Navitimer. It‘s something wholly different and in this case I can really appreciate it!
Yes the Navitimer without the calculation bezel just isn't a Navitimer. What a shame. Breitling should stick with their classics.
Breitling DID NOT change the navitimet and this model is called aviator 8 ...
I'm a massive Breitling fan - and I concur
@@WIS7802 Well. Was it not called Navitimer first and then renamed to Aviator?
@@bikefreak5787 no. it was a navitimer aviator. They never stopped selling Navitimers...they have like 20 models of navitimer. They even acknowledge that in this video. The narrator was making a GUESS that they would change the navitimer to this...2 years later...that clearly hasn't happened. He just made a guess and was wrong.
Looks too much like a fossil watch to me, an insult to the old beautiful navitimer 806
As an owner of the original Navitimer, I look at the new model and shudder... This is NOT what I would want in a Navitimer...
Adamantium T. Same here. The new Navitimer is not even a contestant to be honest. But maybe for some it is.
This model is now called aviator 8 ...
@@WIS7802 This model should be named Rolex Celini as far as I care... it wont sell very well.
Those original 806 watches are in demand, they sell for $8000+ with original box and papers
I don't like breitling and never was a fan off but how can you take a unique design and make it look like every other chrono on the market? Just mind baffling.
skkane
They just did!
That is just not a Navitimer, if they would have just call it a different name we would not even think about it.
For me this have to be one of the biggest flops in recent years from such a big brand.
You do not mess with the Navitimer as you would not mess with a Submariner.
Iconic watches shoud be just twicked bot not changed like that.
I know, I do not understand why they did not do that from the begining, just bad management I guess.
I love my Navitimer and I'm so happy to learn that they renamed the new collection as the Aviator Series. They definitely got it wrong but by renaming it they're acknowledging that they are willing to listen to their customers and change accordingly. The new tribute AOPA Navitimer is gorgeous and one of the nicest releases this past decade IMHO. Cheers
At 3:40 the author refers to AOPA (the U.S. Aircraft Owner's and Pilot's Association this year is the 80th anniversary). I recall as a young pilot in the 1970s seeing advertisements in the AOPA magazine for a special AOPA made by "Breitling" which was similar to the WWI Navitimer. I recall the early versions of the watch having some reference to AOPA, but I'm not sure. But I recall very early 1970 AOPA magazines advertising "Breitling" watches on their pages as "aviation watches" similar to WWII watches.
The answer is YES. “Has Breitling finally lost it” yes, they have. There’s no direction at the great house of watchmaking.
I bought the 18k version . You can judge as you wish , but I love it ! It’s beautifully made . I love the simplicity of it’s design .
I hope they are making both, the old, and the new? If not, big mistake! The old, for me, is the perfect piece, but the new is also nice as a more elegant rendition of the old design.
Of course they will ..The navitimer is not going anywhere ..And the new model is the aviator 8 ...
I imagine Sinn must be happy about this.
Not really , Sinn markets themselves a bit different
I've been watching these videos for a number of months. Dreaming mostly. But yesterday, I purchased my very first luxury swiss watch and it was a new Navitimer GMT. Thank you for making these videos and keeping our passion alive.
Crocodile Dundee:
That's not a Navitimer,
This is a Navitimer!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
If you want a true, original Navitimer, you can just get a Sinn 903 (for half the price of the Breitling remake).
I’m only 16 and have already been looking forward to buying a Navitimer when I grow up. I’m sincerely hoping my options aren’t limited to this thing.
As an aviator and engineer I total appreciate the functionality of Navitimer. The watch works just like my slide rule I used in high school and during my initial pilot training. I am guessing with calculators and apps no younger person knows what a slide ruler is. But if you are going to take away the true function and soul of a watch have the common decency to at least name a replacement something else. Oh how I wonder who will sponsor the Reno Air Races. I am guessing that the old Breathing AOPA watches will be worth their weight in gold and then some.
I like the watch but didn't like the name Navitimer 8, but now when they have changed the name to Aviator I am happy again!!
I"ve got a 2015 Navitimer World, just super glad I got it when they still had the wings!
Could not agree more!
One thing you can’t deny, the B01 movement is a masterpiece given the price point. I have a Transocean Chronograph with the B01 and it’s incredible.
Breitling is a mess now. From their terrible redesigns to issues with their service center.
Not the best time for everyone over there...
Not that I’m the most knowledgeable about watches, but just an anecdote. I’m a young guy, 25 going on 26, who’s been into watches since I was 16. The first watch I ever bought, after saving up for years and getting a big high school graduation gift from my parents, was a Tag Heuer Aquaracer. Why? I live by the ocean and occasionally dive, so I wanted something waterproof and reliable. I also wanted something simple. I looked at simple chronographs, but at the time even a tachymeter seemed a bit too busy.
I actually remember seeing a Navitimer at my local watch store when I was researching what to get and was immediately turned off by it. “Too much going on,” I thought. “Too many lines, and intersecting circles, and tiny text I’ll never use.”
Cut to now. In the past few years I’ve started learning my stuff when it comes to watch history. I’ve gotten into the vintage Japanese side of collecting, own a few tachymeter watches and even a World Timer from ‘73. And while I still don’t know if a Navitimer is for me, I can certainly appreciate the utility, history and craftsmanship that go into making it a powerful, wrist-portable computational device. The point being, I get that the classic look of the Navitimer could be a turnoff for the younger market, but this redesign strips away everything that made it stand out from the crowd. And it certainly risks losing out on the potential market of collectors who might’ve been building toward adding one to their collection
...as someone has prob realized, the new watch is a ringer for the Breitling Premier Reference 765, circa 1946, a three-hand, three sub-dial (3, 6 and 9) hand-wound in stainless steel case.
I do agree with a lot of the comments about the Navitimer DNA being lost.
However, if you look closer, there are a few differentiating factors;
The bezel for a start, the sub-dials are panda based which although common in a lot of watches still do not come with the overall package the navitimer has such as the B01 and of course the brand name Breitling. Going back to the so called panda dial, this panda dial does have some differentiation of its own.
I do think it is a nice addition to the Breitling range giving access to a very old, romantic military chronograph design.
I was quite sure that I would never feel the need to own 1 until i starting projecting my future collection with a traditional navitimer in it. I think this model will be a to go piece for second timers, second timers being those that have already purchased a Navitimer.
I've not thought about Breitling before but your excellent macro photography show that their dials are as crisp and clean in terms of dial ink as the very best. Thank you
The answer is a big YES. Just changing the iconic wing logo is already a No for me.
Still exists dude .... Both in the navitimer and super oceans
The last 100+ years breitling have models without the wings in his catalogue..
That's cool 😌, I bought a premier with the b logo in January and love it , wear it over my Rolex and hublot every day . They still make wing logoed watches btw ... Theyre not completely gone
@JettYung the ‘B’ is the original logo...
As others have pointed out, the B is the original logo
Some watch snobs just want to rage for the sake of raging
Short answer: almost. As long as a true-to-form Navi remains available, all is well. As soon as they move away from the timeless design across the board they're screwed
The "old" Navitimer carried tradition and more importantly, something entirely different from the available chronographs.
This new version is everything but that as it's a simple chrono.
In my mind, keeping the Navitimer model name was a mistake as it no longer truly one.
Perhaps "Breitling ChronoTimer" would be, unfortunately, better suited.
I have older Breitling and I would never buy this new "simple" type...
The irony of the old navitimer is that it's a really spectacular tool to get the job done, no matter what the job is.
The irony in that is that the people that actually DO need it and are able to master it completely, will never be able to get it.
They called the model Navitimer 8 in the beginning just for marketing, to attract peoples attention. As a decision of the last minute, and now they correct this and they rename to Aviator. I think both watches have space in Breitling line up, and this new watch is for the people who think the Navitimer has a dial too busy to use everyday, but like to have both in the collection.
When was the last time anyone used a linear slide rule in preference to an electronic calculator or a computer?
This is not accurate...this model for a couple months now has been referred to as the Aviator 8. And it’s not like they are getting rid of the Navitimer line so I don’t understand this video
Exactly !!!
Vassilis Argiris just bad info all around. Nobody ever said this would replace the Navitimer. Meant to be more of a modern day pilots watch without the crazy slide rule and easy readability. Something more useful to modern day pilots. I usually like this guys videos but this was just bad all around, with bad information.
Is impressive the level of ignorance about breitling in the watch community on social media.
Vassilis Argiris agreed
I love the detail, information and historical background you add to your videos, keep up the good work and keep well :-)
I agree the new Breitling doesn’t have the busyness and Power Reserve of the classic lineup BUT the new Navitimer has much better design language than they had a few years ago. I believe they are heading in the right directions...
I like it very much. It's cleaner and better designed for general usability of the mere public. I have owned a good few Breitlings over the years and would like to again. Not sure which one, though I do like the Transocean range. This new 8 is a good move for the company and I wish it well.
When I was at school, I was taught to use a slide rule; if and when I get a classic Navitimer I will have to remember how to use it again.
Kern has done well at IWC and I do like the direction in which he is taking Breitling. That clutter Breitlings used to be known for has become unfashionable just like digital watches with calculators, and the functions are of no use in the age of smart watches and smart mobiles. Decluttering is the way forward IMHO, I like the new clean lines.
I have an original navitimer and a B1. The navitimer is not only beautiful but it has function. I have been a commercial pilot for 30 years. In my day we were all taught how to use the navigation slide rule so we knew how to use the navitimer and I have done so for many years. Yes, I use all the new toys when flying today and it makes life easier and safer but I know I can revert to the simplicity of pencil and paper and the navitimer if I need to. It is comforting. I have no need of a Breitling that is not a navitimer. Calling a watch a navitimer without a slide rule makes absolutely no sense.
Ive never seen you struggle this bad to find nice things about a watch 😂
The detail quality on the new version is horrific. There are white spots on the dial at 5:12, and a black mark on the "10" at 5:33.
They just bring back classic from Breitling's history with some subtle modern twist. Perfect move. Now Breitling is the strongest as I ever remember. I even see some new models from Breitling becoming iconic timepieces. It actually now makes sense to invest into more than one timepiece from Breitling. I am glad about Breitling.
Guys both original navitimer and new model are still in production. Take it easy.
Navitimer is Breitling's icon ! One the most recognizable watches on the market. I love it ! But, yes, it's style and design shows it's day and age. Modern times require more streamlined design.
Breitling Navitimer will always be the three subdial chronometer with slide rule and tachometer.
That is what makes it legend and a holy grail watch. Its powered by an inhouse engine where as the old ones likely were powered by a ETA/Valjoux 7750.
There may be a smaller niche that likes the stripped down "8". But we want the old slide rule and tachometer equipped version.
Not gonna lie the new 8 looks classier to me
I forgot to mention that I contacted Breitling to arrange a service for my original navitimer and they don’t support them anymore. I was shocked, why not? Anyway, I found a chap in Philadelphia who did a great job and sent me a personal letter about my watch which was a nice touch. I really don’t understand why any company of a prestigious watch would think it acceptable to drop the required support.
Heads up , the navitimer still exists today with. The wing logo and slide rule. The new model line aviator 8 or navitimer was instilled pre Georges Kern . Imo the brand is headed in the right direction.
The most beautiful closeup videos and pictures of a watch I have ever seen. Good job!
The navitimer 8 series no longer exists. Now the whole series has been renamed to aviator 8
He did say that ,I think in the narration
Watch the video to the end.
@@thomasdawe1837 i have...but all the comments are about the name.....
He definitely mentioned the name change
@@badlarry172 yes at the end .. But the whole video and especially the title is intriguing and misleading since the whole series has changed both in design and as a name. A pointless video imho...
I really like the Navi 8. The original is a classic, don't worry, it's not going anywhere.
The Navitimer is one of my Dream Watch
If Breitling rids the collection of the Navitimer, then I.M.O. They should cease making watches as “The Navitimer is the watch that i have always hoped to own.
A wonderful watch that I'd love to own BUT... It's just a swiss watch with an E6B bezel. What is the big deal? Also, replacing the iconic wings for a simplistic "B" is a huge downer.
I got lucky enough to hunt down an A23322 in prestine condition with flawless, spotless AR coating on bracelet with box and papers. To me it has always been my grail and the watch to end all watches. From this point on i am sure it will only increse in price so i think it is the best time to get that version.
As the the presenter mentioned towards the end of this video, Breitling has already renamed this watch the Aviator 8. A change from the Navitimer 8 because it is a nice looking Chronograph, but it is not a Navi.
The new one is extremely clean, much much tidier. The scale and tachometer are missed, but it’s looking quite exiting.
I am glad I bought my breitling over 20 years ago as it seems like the new leadership is taking them in the wrong direction
Navitimer look is a classic the look will always sell but the thing is how.Change is good on thd case but the bracelet looks and still like the same without barely any improvements.Maybe that a good place to start.
I love that traditional Breitling look.
Crazy to change it.
It's now called the Aviator 8, not the Navitimer 8 (they changed this months ago.) I for one, am very happy that they changed the name !
No need to.panic you can still get the legend. The day they dare to stop making it will be the day Breitling ceases to be Breitling.
The dial is too busy as a practical everyday watch.
What is the point of a chronograph without a Tachymeter or Telemeter?
I fear Breitling is doomed, that new Navitimer is just like all the other chronos on the market so what is the point? The old Navitimer is cool as, especially if you actually know how to use it!
Yes. Absolutely. This is sacrilege IMO
It's a good looking watch. It's just not a Navitimer. They could have just introduced a new line instead of destroying their staple.
I don’t think you would buy a Navitimer as an investment (you shouldn’t buy anything for that reason alone), so if you want a Breitling buy a second hand Navitimer, I got my now almost 20 year old Montbrillant for about £1000 ten years ago, it’s the right size, and hard to distinguish from any classic era Navitimer, you can still pick them up for a fraction of the price of a new one.
Out of all the chronographs on the market, out of the speedmaster and Daytona, the navitimer has always been my favourite, but the new one just looks all the other ones
That's why I went for the Navitimer Special edition ( very similar to the opening piece here ) as there are still the iconic wing and that ever so famous slide rule.
This is akin the new Landrover Defender (launched yesterday) compared to the illustrious 90 and 110 models with their wind up windows and cassette decks. Dumbed down and a little flashy.
The new one is just wrong. The previous version ticks all the right box. Navitimer with the slide rule is the way to go. Even with all the modern cockpit instruments, the watch with the slide rule still is the basics for all calculations needed by a pilot. I really would like to own the old Navitimer for a collectible piece. It's classic and a beauty.
Well, as long as the original Navitimer is not being replaced then that's fine. It's a risky step but the Navitimer 8 could appeal to people who like simplified, retro pilot watches. I quite like myself as well as the original so I'll have both :)
Very different. Further proof of the death numeracy. Young buyers wouldn't know how to use a slide rule no matter how loud the squeal they miss it. Perhaps if it came with a smart phone app to teach them basic calculation methods using a slide rule? This is a Navitimer for the upscale Fossil buyer.
I bought a Navitimer in '08, I have worn it everyday since. Great watch.
Hi there,
I recently purchased a brand new Breitling B55 watch from an authorised retailer in the UK. I straight had some issues with the watch, one digit was dodgy on the top screen and the bloutooth was acting up too. Went back to the retailer, they sent it to Breitling for repair. I got the watch back, now it looks all fine apart from one thing.
When you first turn the watch on, you need to synchronise the time on the displays to the time shown by the hands. I noticed that I have to synchronise every day as the hands tend to fall behind a few seconds every day. Every second day it can add up to a minute or two so if I don’t synchronise hands will show wrong time.
Anybody can help me in this please? Is this normal? Anybody has experience with the B55?
Thank you in advance,
Gary
I recently fell in love with this complex aviation watch. Eventually I bought the Sinn 903 st. It is such a beautiful watch. Decided on the Sinn because of the slightly smaller size and water resistence
The original navatimers had the same tricomplex (valjoux 72) set up which is more elegant and usable than the 7750. The new dial is actually legable at a glance (the whole purpose of a watch, right?) as opposed to the old which was a cluttered slide rule full of dopey calculations that no one would ever use.The new design is an actual pilots watch for an age of glass cockpits, not just an affectation.
My favory breitling is Premier B01.
Breguet uses the B01 movement of Breitling ???
I have been dreaming of owning a Navitimer since I became a pilot 14 years ago. Breitling changing their logo lost a customer when I bought my first Navitimer yesterday. I had to buy an "as new" secondhand watch. The new Navitimers with the B logo will never be the watch with the golden wings I always dreamed about.
Why is there an Anchor on the Navitimer?
I've got a 2015 Navitimer World and LOVE it, I don't see why they even call this new one the same...it's an insult to an amazing, beautiful, work-of-art
I dont know, but the new Navitimer looks fantastic
Thanks for always great videos! Could you review a movement instead of a watch? One of the most used in the industry, the ETA 2824 under its different versions. Thanks!
Absolutely beautiful narration
Breitling seems to be in a state of confusion, they’ll sell you a navitimer without the slide rule (the navi) or without the chronograph function (the timer). I don’t need to look too far into it to tell they’re confused, they will after all sell you a diver’s chronograph instead of doing what Rolex does and just engraving the tachometer into a non rotating bezel of roughly similar shape.
I like Breitling. It’s a shame to see it struggle because of unwise managerial/marketing strategies.
Would be nice to see a video about the Heritage chrono. Especially the 44mm version with the in-house movement. There is yet to be a decent video online for that.
I love the classic nav timer ! Also loved the emergency for what it is, and a lot of the new ocean Series.
My Super Avenger 2 in steel with blue face and silver Chrono dials is stunning- that latest Navitimer is not so Stunning but at least they are trying .
A navitimer with the bezel calculator is not a navitimer.