You got my lock! The box was already in rough shape, so I was hoping it would get there. Truly such a bad lock that I hoped it would at least get a laugh out of people. For those wondering, the lock is made by FATH, model FH 333. It has 3 wafers. I've opened it with a paperclip and a little flat-head screwdriver, as well as a pair of broken zip ties while outside at the cabinet when we forgot the keys (one to tension, one to rake). It was horrible before the locking mechanism failed...then that failed too...on 4 different handles (we got the first two replaced, then the replacements broke). Also, we put pretty decent pad-locks on now. I'm not going to mention the brand, but they're not master locks.
It looks like the locking lugs (or whatever you want to call them) are cast zinc? I'm guessing you could easily just force that open with one hand even if the lugs weren't worn at all.
I'm a retired IT professional and this cabinet lock does NOT surprise me at all. I've seen so many of these same situations it's sickening. A super expensive, well-made, almost bank vault level type cabinet....fitted with a flimsy, cheap or extremely weak lock. Now, IT people are hackers in nature, and there's nothing more fun for us than to sit around thinking of ways to circumvent and/or improve upon everyday items around us. Our in-house lunchtime way of having fun was to challenge each other. My favorite was what we called the "EZ challenge." Basically, you had to come up with the easiest way to pick, circumvent, disable or bypass a security feature. You'd be amazed how many of these "high security" cabinets, etc., were bypassed with something as silly as a piece of string! Seriously! Anyway, just had to share some of those memories. Excellent video BB and an excellent giveaway! I hope I win that sucker; it's exactly what I need! lol
I had an IT cabinet, that when new, all you needed to open it was jiggle the handle back and forth rapidly and it would open. I'm not even talking about raking inside the lock cylinder. Just grab the handle. Yes, it was locked. We changed the locks on those cabinets. I only found this by accident...
There are 3 keys that open a majority of server rack cabinets, the 222, the 333, and the 2233X. You can see in the video that this one is the 333. Carry those 3 keys and you most likely won't need to pick a server rack cabinet... although picking might be faster than digging the keys out of your pocket as Bill so aptly demonstrates.
There are replacement cores with different keying that you can get for server cabinets, but it's amazing how difficult they are to find. You'd think that APC, etc., would have these as standard available parts, but: no, they just sell every one they ever make with one bitting.
Shift the decimal point! My employer uses cabinets like these that can contain $100,000. + worth of analyzer equipment controlling processes that control processes that blow up if not run properly. This includes locations that though in a access controlled environment we are talking about sprawling outdoor environments with miles of shabby fencing. Refineries, Power Plants, and even Landfills use stuff like this and I carry wafer lock jigglers since sometimes I need access another makers stuff while servicing equipment on site my employer sells. All these cabinets by various makers have looks that are a very bad joke.
Yea i think I've packed about 200K in a cabinet like that and then had wired up to millions$ of processes equipment, though never even consider locking them LOL. on rare occasion where we were installing something where the public could get to it we put a pad lock on we always just installed and external pad lock. really these lock are only meant to to stop the most casual of people opening them up.
I know those cabinets well with lots of electronics and industrial control equipment inside. I used to work on the equipment but never paid any attention to the locks. The biggest danger is not theft but messing around in there at the wrong time could get someone killed.
Exactly. Also, if someone uses force to break the lock with authorization, it's not in good faith and intent, unless there is an emergency like a fire inside the cabinet. So this lock ensures protection by law. Third layer of protection is the voltage present inside.
As an electrician of 30 years I can tell you those cabinets are NEVER used as a safety lockout. The only danger is to the person opening it or that they may disable some piece of equipment and shutdown production. Safety lockouts are always done at the power source.
We locked our enclosures to prevent them from being used as storage for girly magazines, alcohol and such. We didn't want some idiot to get shocked or dead then then the company would get sued.
@@ohmbug10 exactly. The lock is just to let you know you're not supposed to be in there. But since that equipment is usually in an electrical room we never locked ours because the only people that go in that room know enough not to open that cabinet unless they need to.
@@parapicktog7734 Yes. We had many on machines. In operator cabs were the ones we always locked so they didn't become lunch/personal storage for operators. Most were keyed alike except some test equipment and large furnace controls for building heat. Otherwise the workers would be in their underwear in January complaining it's too hot.😂
Every industrial electrical enclosure I built, or worked on (in a past life) always had the worst locks possible. Most of the time they just used a square, or triangle drive key... If anything at all. Usually just a latch, unless it needed to be liquid tight; then it was a Mfr. standard hold down with a simple screw. "No user serviceable parts inside." I've seen enclosures & panels come back years later for upgrades, or refurbishing. It's like someone pooped all over, hours of meticulous work. Trying to keep clean lines with everything; labeled, groomed, ducted, ferruled, bonded, grounded, inspected, detected, tested, or rejected! Now it looks like the onsite -squirrel- "Tech"; just rat nested a bunch of new connections, jumpers, with random bits of assorted lengths and colors of wire, crimp on connectors, bread twist ties.. Gosh, just anything!!
@Bosnianbill. Yes Bill! The World's Worst Lock only needs less than a second with a rake pick! You've started my day. Hope you and your family stay safe and well. Stay safe, stay legal.
Hi Bill, cylinder of this lock is clearly poor, but generally theese lock are not designed to keep thieves out, but just prevent curious non electricians to get hurt or make some damage by wrong manipulation... keys of these lock are generally same (in europe there are 20 diferent keys and You are able open 90percent of electrical or industrial equipment ... on video is cheap clone of german lock emka key EK333 or DIRAK 1333
After some of the 'gems' you've reviewed over the years, I knew by the title this had to be something real 'special' 😉. Awesome video and a crazy generous giveaway!
I remember when a company I worked for put on an electronic security badge entrance system to the server room which cost them a pretty penny I must say, one day I'd forgot to pick up my badge off my desk and couldn't be bothered to go back to get it so I figured out a way to gain access, now you've got to remember these things log who's entered and at what time, needless to say there was never another log of me entering the server room for some time after that Lol. Good quality door locks are much cheaper and more reliable ;-)
Security of the day. At work they implimented card access locks... those of us with keys, which amounts to at least half of us and all of maintanence can still come and go without any electronic foot print.
If you know the buildung well you can get almost anywhere without a badge where i work. There are even parts of the buildung where you can get in without a card, but not out again :D
Many electrical cabinets are all keyed alike and open with industry keys. Not much point in putting a good lock on them when the key is so easily available. The cabinets are solid because they are designed to contain an explosion if there is a major failure, they are also solid to keep dust and the weather out. its not for security reasons.
We use similar cabinets at work. The lock are made to prevent casual users from tampering with the electronics or connection inside. Our hardware have screws retaining the electronics in front and removable side panels for ease of repair. We add lock wire screws for tamper evidence but the room and building are the main securing element. These are not meant to be left out in public. As we have learned from you, no lock will keep anyone desperate enough to get in.
There is an upside to this lock - I can use it when I start doing my own lock picking videos (I have zero hands-on experience, but I've watched enough of your videos to know I probably don't need any hands-on experience if I select the right lock)
Finally, a handle that I can use to open my mini-fridge. This should keep my drunken self from raiding that thing again but also be able to open it while semi-drunk.
Server cabinets use the same locks - the key is standard, I have a pile of them. I guess the assumption is you’ve got cameras pointing everywhere and the real security is the door on the room, or the room you have to walk through / present ID.
The 333 key is such a bs-key... It fits so many equipment, its unbelievable... Server and electronics cabinets, field kitchens by Kärcher, i have even seen huge generators with this as an ignition key 😑
So...most other cabinets with similar use can be opened with a 7/16" nut driver... This is not about security. It's about keeping the door latched. If someone has access to your cabinet, the lock doesn't matter at all.
When I saw the post worlds worst lock first thing that jumped to my mind was how can he keep doing videos about Master Locks! Bahahaha Its sad that these company’s sell you these expensive equipment box’s and then put some random piece of junk lock on it to protect it !
We only install the lock version if a customer requests it at work and they are mostly for show to keep the tweakers and lookie-loos out. The last thing you want as a maintenence guy is a locked box and a lost key when management is breathing down your neck to get a line running. So a cheap lock like that will open with a swift kick or well placed hammer blow in a pinch.
I don't understand why skimp on a dollar or two from the lock on a $2500 cabinet. You will have to sell 100000 of these cabinets to noticed a tiny difference in the profit margins.
We always removed the doors that had these shitty locks. Most of our cabinets had equipment worth close to a million bucks each rack - all of which was the barest fraction of the value of the customer data in these racks - so the sorts of protection we had were different and usually wrapped around the room (or cage/suite), the zone, then the building.
I worked as an industrial electrician for many years and I honestly don't know why electrical control panels or cabinets come with locks. It didn't matter if it was a $100000 drive or a small cabinet they all had cheap wafer locks. It was plant standard to through the keys away and install at the time a bi-lock.
Those locks aren't made to secure things, rather to secure people from things. It's cheap insurance that no idiot goes putting their mitts in a bajilion watts or whatever. Simple, and why you'll rarely see those locks rise past farts and yawns. That doesn't mean that there aren't cabinets out there with both security and safety in mind, mind you. I've seen transformer points that were sold with ABUS locks at the door and made from thick metal.
@@aserta True when I started my apprenticeship all that was required to protect people from themselves was the use of a tool. eg. All you needed was some type of tool to open the door of death. This could be a simple as a flat head screwdriver all the way to a weird shaped thing I had on my key ring. 7 years later you needed an electricians key to open anything to do with the control system of any line or equipment.
@@Lazy_Tim I recall a clause in the EU electrical code that an oddly shaped tool (such as the common triangle "key") doesn't count as keyed access to dangerous equipment.)
You really wouldn't want to know what kinds of "locks" you can find on professional racks, both for audio and IT equipment... Most of the time it's OK, though, because, at least in principle, those things should be in a well protected area and not that easy to reach for just anybody
The point is not to be good, it is to provide “key needed” for machine safety standards. Two different keys open or start 80% of all industrial cabinets or heavy machinery.
None of these cab locks are really designed for security, mostly it's anti tamper or just keeping nosey people out, if you want to secure cabinets then you don't rely on the cabinet's built in security, even good cabinets like Rittal have their weak points and their locks aren't especially brilliant.
Most Rittal industrial cabinet locks are this bad or worse. We have plenty of them at my work that I have to access on a regular basis. They are not designed for high security.
@@darkzeus851 Definitely not designed for security! We have a huge number of cabs which should have had a special differ on the lock, but ended up being the same as every other Rittal cab we had! The look on the boss' face was a picture when we told him!
Thanks Bill for another video that lock was shameful to say the least they spend money in all the wrong places , I have a question about the giveaway can a person register on Sunday for the following week I know it says Monday but I am curious if it still will count for the week coming up? Thanks Steve S
To be fair this sort of cabinet is expected to be in a secure location - where I work cabinets like this are rarely locked except in special circumstances. ("Hey, it's locked. BOB! It's locked! Do you know if Jerry is doing something with this rack today? Oh, ok, I'll ask him if it's OK if I reconfigure it then.") The lock is only there to regulate who is allowed to open the cabinet among already authorized personnel and defense against picking and force is largely unimportant. The lock to the door on the room leading to a cabinet like this is the real security requirement. That all said, would it really hurt them to spend an extra $10 on a product like this to make it more secure? I'm not a bean counter so I guess I'm not qualified to answer that question.
Bean counters and paper shufflers, their disservice to the mechanical world continues. Always find junk wafer locks on electrical panels and enclosures, its a shame. Thanks Bill!
Got a few of these in work,thankfully in a locked cupboard with a decent lock on it lol
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Bean Counters need to add a column to their spreadsheets called "Cost of a @Bosnianbill feature"... because saving a few beans on a cast iron housing isn't going to help the profit margin if people stop buying the product.
To be fair, in nearly all instances the lock built into the cabinet is to keep the mooks from poking around in the electrical hardware and breaking things, these are absolutely NOT designed as a theft deterrent. I have built thousands of cabinets, I have installed many hundreds of door operators, and most cabinets are simply closed with a tab and screw. Even the auxiliary locking tab underneath is designed for lock-out/tag-out procedures, not security.
Good video Bill, but that lock does not belong here. As a retired electrician of over 30 years, I know quite a bit about those cabinets. First off: the cabinets made by hubble are NOT a lock box. They are made to hold electrical equipment such as a PLC (computer equipment controller) or I/O board. I've often worked on frequency drives worth 1/4 million housed in that type of cabinet. $50,000 is cheap when it comes to the type of industries these devices are used in (usually a large factory, refinery, or other automated plant). The locks on these cabinets are not meant for security, but only to keep someone from opening the wrong cabinet, and are usually left unlocked anyway with the key forgotten in some file cabinet in an office in a different building. The equipment these cabinets house are not generally standing in random places in the plant, but are contained in an electrical equipment room that may have a lockable door if it is necessary to prevent unauthorized entry, but again is probably left unlocked as nobody would want to go in unless they had business in there. In my years of working on equipment, the only reason I ever seen of those actually locked, was to prevent an old worn one from falling open by accident and even then the key was hanging right beside it.
So that trigger thing then, basically they knew the lock was awful even before selling it, so they added that rather than actually fixing the problem. Well done guys! Haha
Thank you for always running the give-aways, but would you consider selling some of your give-away sets? I like to pay for value and you definitely provide value.
Such locks are Not intended for security, but as a way of saying “electricians only. Often every cabinet by a manufacturer uses the same key - and the key is found in the electrical aisle at Lowe’s.
While a bad lock is a bad lock, these are not really intended for security. Like the locks on most electronic/computer equipment, they are there to keep random idiots from pressing buttons they shouldn't press or unplugging cables to try and 'fix' it. The trigger hole is intended for a LOTO lock and not for securing anything. Security is meant to be handled far outside of the room with the equipment in it.
There's a "Join" button that is basically a paid subscription to a person's YT channel, so... yeah. Makes sense. Have you never seen this feature before?
@@BeamMonsterZeus I've joined some time ago. And I thought when doing so entered "US" in all the give aways. I was just wondering if that was true, or even still going on? Because since then, I stopped entering manually.
It's probably not even done for cost cutting. It smacks of ignorance to me. I'd guess that the locking handle, complete with lock cylinder and key, was selected from Alibaba or a hardware catalog by some product designer or procurement manager with no expertise on security or lockpicking whatsoever. He/she picked something that looked nice and beefy and simply assumed that it was fit for purpose. They may even have picked something that cost a bit more just because it looked beefier in the picture. Nobody ever tested it on the completed product, nobody with any security or lockpicking expertise ever passed judgement on it. By the way, I just looked up "FATH, model FH 333" and found that you can buy a replacement key for this lock on Amazon for $4+$6.04 s&h. Looks like it was never intended to be secure. All such locks have the same bitting.
Even when there is a padlock on it, it's simple to open it with force. Simply put a pipe on the handle. Locks shouldn't be in the handle itself. No matter how good the lock is, you can get to it from all sides.
I work in an environment involving the storage and distribution of incapacitant sprays, they're not stored any safer than this. Always a person present, that's our only safety.
Uh, I don't think that was protecting the $50,000 worth of electrical equipment. It was probably protecting idiots from the electrical equipment in the cabinet. My guess is that the cabinet contains 480VAC three phase circuitry, if not so-called "medium voltage" (1,000V to 35kV). Those locks are usually not overwhelmingly secure-they're really just there to encourage you to follow proper safety procedures, like LOTO locks.
I once heard a story, and I can’t say if it’s true. This group of soldiers were resuplied with grenades, not too shocking. Somone decided to lock them up due to civilian bla bla bla, anyway the dude used a no.3 master lock. Already a bad start. So down the line they desperately needed those grenades and couldn’t find the key, so one of the soldiers got down by the lock with his handgun, held it to the lock and said. “Open up, we just wanna talk.”. And they got their grenades after shooting the lock off with the breachers shotgun.
It irony is that they don't care the cost of the equipment, insurance covers it. But insurance requires that it be secured somehow. They could put zip tie on door and still get insurance. lol Hell Walmart keeps its server equipment in plain view in the backroom. They keep the door open because it "gets to hot when we take lunches in there". lol
The lock is required to avoid criminal liability if someone opens the cabinet and get themselves (or others) killed. It's their own fault for breaking in.
I've seen tech companies leave box trucks parked on the street overnight containing hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of equipment in them with their doors secured by Master padlock # 3's....
The hook is for LoTo equipment. It's a electrical cabinet lock, those are always not very good. The 50k is nothing in a big industrial electrical controls cabinet. Rittal is a better brand. This is probably a Chinese cheap cabinet.
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You got my lock! The box was already in rough shape, so I was hoping it would get there. Truly such a bad lock that I hoped it would at least get a laugh out of people. For those wondering, the lock is made by FATH, model FH 333. It has 3 wafers. I've opened it with a paperclip and a little flat-head screwdriver, as well as a pair of broken zip ties while outside at the cabinet when we forgot the keys (one to tension, one to rake). It was horrible before the locking mechanism failed...then that failed too...on 4 different handles (we got the first two replaced, then the replacements broke). Also, we put pretty decent pad-locks on now. I'm not going to mention the brand, but they're not master locks.
It looks like the locking lugs (or whatever you want to call them) are cast zinc? I'm guessing you could easily just force that open with one hand even if the lugs weren't worn at all.
Check my comment(and number 333) but usually is there 5 pins in german quality version of this locks, this one is cheep knockoff
I'm a retired IT professional and this cabinet lock does NOT surprise me at all. I've seen so many of these same situations it's sickening. A super expensive, well-made, almost bank vault level type cabinet....fitted with a flimsy, cheap or extremely weak lock. Now, IT people are hackers in nature, and there's nothing more fun for us than to sit around thinking of ways to circumvent and/or improve upon everyday items around us. Our in-house lunchtime way of having fun was to challenge each other. My favorite was what we called the "EZ challenge." Basically, you had to come up with the easiest way to pick, circumvent, disable or bypass a security feature. You'd be amazed how many of these "high security" cabinets, etc., were bypassed with something as silly as a piece of string! Seriously! Anyway, just had to share some of those memories.
Excellent video BB and an excellent giveaway! I hope I win that sucker; it's exactly what I need! lol
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I recall a cabinet that let me remove a lock by reaching inside and simply unscrewing the nut.
I had an IT cabinet, that when new, all you needed to open it was jiggle the handle back and forth rapidly and it would open. I'm not even talking about raking inside the lock cylinder. Just grab the handle. Yes, it was locked.
We changed the locks on those cabinets. I only found this by accident...
@@mrdanomac7937 Ditto with the one in the video.
Good times. To this day, I still refer to paperclips as universal network credentials :D
There are 3 keys that open a majority of server rack cabinets, the 222, the 333, and the 2233X. You can see in the video that this one is the 333. Carry those 3 keys and you most likely won't need to pick a server rack cabinet... although picking might be faster than digging the keys out of your pocket as Bill so aptly demonstrates.
There are replacement cores with different keying that you can get for server cabinets, but it's amazing how difficult they are to find. You'd think that APC, etc., would have these as standard available parts, but: no, they just sell every one they ever make with one bitting.
Shift the decimal point! My employer uses cabinets like these that can contain $100,000. + worth of analyzer equipment controlling processes that control processes that blow up if not run properly. This includes locations that though in a access controlled environment we are talking about sprawling outdoor environments with miles of shabby fencing.
Refineries, Power Plants, and even Landfills use stuff like this and I carry wafer lock jigglers since sometimes I need access another makers stuff while servicing equipment on site my employer sells.
All these cabinets by various makers have looks that are a very bad joke.
It's amazing, isn't it? They at least ought to mount a good strong hasp on the things so people could use a decent padlock.
You trie stealing some equipment in these cabinets and the plant stops. Not very likely to happen
You're probably right, DeKempster. Still, cabinets like this should either have decent locks or just hasps, IMO. Bad locks give false confidence.
Yea i think I've packed about 200K in a cabinet like that and then had wired up to millions$ of processes equipment, though never even consider locking them LOL. on rare occasion where we were installing something where the public could get to it we put a pad lock on we always just installed and external pad lock. really these lock are only meant to to stop the most casual of people opening them up.
So if you put a Master #3 through the padlock hole and you’ll double the time it takes to get in.
a free lock :D
I think it's would more than double it.
@@darthkarl99 I don't think you got the joke.
@@remchaill9898 Oh i got it, i just think it's probably giving this lock to much credit in the process.
I know those cabinets well with lots of electronics and industrial control equipment inside. I used to work on the equipment but never paid any attention to the locks. The biggest danger is not theft but messing around in there at the wrong time could get someone killed.
Exactly. Also, if someone uses force to break the lock with authorization, it's not in good faith and intent, unless there is an emergency like a fire inside the cabinet. So this lock ensures protection by law. Third layer of protection is the voltage present inside.
As an electrician of 30 years I can tell you those cabinets are NEVER used as a safety lockout. The only danger is to the person opening it or that they may disable some piece of equipment and shutdown production. Safety lockouts are always done at the power source.
We locked our enclosures to prevent them from being used as storage for girly magazines, alcohol and such. We didn't want some idiot to get shocked or dead then then the company would get sued.
@@ohmbug10 exactly. The lock is just to let you know you're not supposed to be in there. But since that equipment is usually in an electrical room we never locked ours because the only people that go in that room know enough not to open that cabinet unless they need to.
@@parapicktog7734 Yes. We had many on machines. In operator cabs were the ones we always locked so they didn't become lunch/personal storage for operators. Most were keyed alike except some test equipment and large furnace controls for building heat. Otherwise the workers would be in their underwear in January complaining it's too hot.😂
I love watching these. New to the hobby and it is just fascinating. Thanks for all you do!
Every industrial electrical enclosure I built, or worked on (in a past life) always had the worst locks possible. Most of the time they just used a square, or triangle drive key... If anything at all. Usually just a latch, unless it needed to be liquid tight; then it was a Mfr. standard hold down with a simple screw.
"No user serviceable parts inside."
I've seen enclosures & panels come back years later for upgrades, or refurbishing.
It's like someone pooped all over, hours of meticulous work. Trying to keep clean lines with everything; labeled, groomed, ducted, ferruled, bonded, grounded, inspected, detected, tested, or rejected!
Now it looks like the onsite -squirrel- "Tech"; just rat nested a bunch of new connections, jumpers, with random bits of assorted lengths and colors of wire, crimp on connectors, bread twist ties.. Gosh, just anything!!
@Bosnianbill. Yes Bill! The World's Worst Lock only needs less than a second with a rake pick! You've started my day.
Hope you and your family stay safe and well.
Stay safe, stay legal.
Hi Bill, cylinder of this lock is clearly poor, but generally theese lock are not designed to keep thieves out, but just prevent curious non electricians to get hurt or make some damage by wrong manipulation...
keys of these lock are generally same (in europe there are 20 diferent keys and You are able open 90percent of electrical or industrial equipment ... on video is cheap clone of german lock emka key EK333 or DIRAK 1333
Looks like a 333 or 751 key on that lock.. VERY common key for all sorts of equipment.
After some of the 'gems' you've reviewed over the years, I knew by the title this had to be something real 'special' 😉. Awesome video and a crazy generous giveaway!
Love you highlighting these cowboy companies. We should all link your vids as much as possible to force them to rethink.
I remember when a company I worked for put on an electronic security badge entrance system to the server room which cost them a pretty penny I must say, one day I'd forgot to pick up my badge off my desk and couldn't be bothered to go back to get it so I figured out a way to gain access, now you've got to remember these things log who's entered and at what time, needless to say there was never another log of me entering the server room for some time after that Lol. Good quality door locks are much cheaper and more reliable ;-)
Security of the day. At work they implimented card access locks... those of us with keys, which amounts to at least half of us and all of maintanence can still come and go without any electronic foot print.
If you know the buildung well you can get almost anywhere without a badge where i work. There are even parts of the buildung where you can get in without a card, but not out again :D
Many electrical cabinets are all keyed alike and open with industry keys. Not much point in putting a good lock on them when the key is so easily available. The cabinets are solid because they are designed to contain an explosion if there is a major failure, they are also solid to keep dust and the weather out. its not for security reasons.
We use similar cabinets at work. The lock are made to prevent casual users from tampering with the electronics or connection inside. Our hardware have screws retaining the electronics in front and removable side panels for ease of repair. We add lock wire screws for tamper evidence but the room and building are the main securing element. These are not meant to be left out in public. As we have learned from you, no lock will keep anyone desperate enough to get in.
Actually its ingenious criminals will just die of laughter apon looking at it
There is an upside to this lock - I can use it when I start doing my own lock picking videos (I have zero hands-on experience, but I've watched enough of your videos to know I probably don't need any hands-on experience if I select the right lock)
Finally, a handle that I can use to open my mini-fridge. This should keep my drunken self from raiding that thing again but also be able to open it while semi-drunk.
We like junk food so why not like a junk lock. Thanks for the video Bill
Love your videos, very entertaining, hope all is well with you all!
Happy retirement Bill!
thanks for your videos
Thanks for making these great videos! Just found you and binge watching now!
700lb cabinet, but managed to save a few ounces on the lock ;)
Server cabinets use the same locks - the key is standard, I have a pile of them.
I guess the assumption is you’ve got cameras pointing everywhere and the real security is the door on the room, or the room you have to walk through / present ID.
If it's locked up you can file an insurance claim and say the stuff was locked up, which is true but the lock is worthless.
I picked a random video of BosnianBill's to just say Thank You for all your videos, and best wishes in your well earned retirement!
The 333 key is such a bs-key... It fits so many equipment, its unbelievable... Server and electronics cabinets, field kitchens by Kärcher, i have even seen huge generators with this as an ignition key 😑
Bill, would a double ball/snowman pick work ?? Thanks for the info😉👍
I am extremely new to the world of lock picking. But that lock definitely looks like it takes all the fun out of it.
lmao, that thing set so fast it looked like it only had one wafer in it.
So...most other cabinets with similar use can be opened with a 7/16" nut driver... This is not about security. It's about keeping the door latched. If someone has access to your cabinet, the lock doesn't matter at all.
When I saw the post worlds worst lock first thing that jumped to my mind was how can he keep doing videos about Master Locks! Bahahaha Its sad that these company’s sell you these expensive equipment box’s and then put some random piece of junk lock on it to protect it !
We only install the lock version if a customer requests it at work and they are mostly for show to keep the tweakers and lookie-loos out. The last thing you want as a maintenence guy is a locked box and a lost key when management is breathing down your neck to get a line running. So a cheap lock like that will open with a swift kick or well placed hammer blow in a pinch.
Wow what a piece of junk lock, wouldn't use that to lock up my phone charger. Great video and review as always, keep up the outstanding work:)
I don't understand why skimp on a dollar or two from the lock on a $2500 cabinet. You will have to sell 100000 of these cabinets to noticed a tiny difference in the profit margins.
Enjoy your retirement! Your informative videos like this one were a true treasure.
We always removed the doors that had these shitty locks. Most of our cabinets had equipment worth close to a million bucks each rack - all of which was the barest fraction of the value of the customer data in these racks - so the sorts of protection we had were different and usually wrapped around the room (or cage/suite), the zone, then the building.
Nice Video. Cannot understand how such a bad lock can be implemented to a strong cabinet.
Master is taking notes while watching this video!
The core seems like the same one used on that stupid yellow Reese trailer hitch lock. Hysterically easy pick. What a hoot. 😂
I worked as an industrial electrician for many years and I honestly don't know why electrical control panels or cabinets come with locks. It didn't matter if it was a $100000 drive or a small cabinet they all had cheap wafer locks. It was plant standard to through the keys away and install at the time a bi-lock.
Those locks aren't made to secure things, rather to secure people from things. It's cheap insurance that no idiot goes putting their mitts in a bajilion watts or whatever. Simple, and why you'll rarely see those locks rise past farts and yawns.
That doesn't mean that there aren't cabinets out there with both security and safety in mind, mind you. I've seen transformer points that were sold with ABUS locks at the door and made from thick metal.
@@aserta True when I started my apprenticeship all that was required to protect people from themselves was the use of a tool. eg. All you needed was some type of tool to open the door of death. This could be a simple as a flat head screwdriver all the way to a weird shaped thing I had on my key ring. 7 years later you needed an electricians key to open anything to do with the control system of any line or equipment.
@@Lazy_Tim I recall a clause in the EU electrical code that an oddly shaped tool (such as the common triangle "key") doesn't count as keyed access to dangerous equipment.)
"bean counters" haha love it! Keep up the great vids Bill!!
You really wouldn't want to know what kinds of "locks" you can find on professional racks, both for audio and IT equipment... Most of the time it's OK, though, because, at least in principle, those things should be in a well protected area and not that easy to reach for just anybody
The point is not to be good, it is to provide “key needed” for machine safety standards. Two different keys open or start 80% of all industrial cabinets or heavy machinery.
None of these cab locks are really designed for security, mostly it's anti tamper or just keeping nosey people out, if you want to secure cabinets then you don't rely on the cabinet's built in security, even good cabinets like Rittal have their weak points and their locks aren't especially brilliant.
Most Rittal industrial cabinet locks are this bad or worse. We have plenty of them at my work that I have to access on a regular basis. They are not designed for high security.
@@darkzeus851 Definitely not designed for security! We have a huge number of cabs which should have had a special differ on the lock, but ended up being the same as every other Rittal cab we had! The look on the boss' face was a picture when we told him!
Thanks Bill for another video that lock was shameful to say the least they spend money in all the wrong places , I have a question about the giveaway can a person register on Sunday for the following week I know it says Monday but I am curious if it still will count for the week coming up? Thanks Steve S
Nice, vid! Thanks Bill.
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To be fair this sort of cabinet is expected to be in a secure location - where I work cabinets like this are rarely locked except in special circumstances. ("Hey, it's locked. BOB! It's locked! Do you know if Jerry is doing something with this rack today? Oh, ok, I'll ask him if it's OK if I reconfigure it then.") The lock is only there to regulate who is allowed to open the cabinet among already authorized personnel and defense against picking and force is largely unimportant. The lock to the door on the room leading to a cabinet like this is the real security requirement. That all said, would it really hurt them to spend an extra $10 on a product like this to make it more secure? I'm not a bean counter so I guess I'm not qualified to answer that question.
Bean counters and paper shufflers, their disservice to the mechanical world continues. Always find junk wafer locks on electrical panels and enclosures, its a shame. Thanks Bill!
Ive seen crappy locks like this in many electrical and server cabinets.
Got a few of these in work,thankfully in a locked cupboard with a decent lock on it lol
Bean Counters need to add a column to their spreadsheets called "Cost of a @Bosnianbill feature"... because saving a few beans on a cast iron housing isn't going to help the profit margin if people stop buying the product.
To be fair, in nearly all instances the lock built into the cabinet is to keep the mooks from poking around in the electrical hardware and breaking things, these are absolutely NOT designed as a theft deterrent. I have built thousands of cabinets, I have installed many hundreds of door operators, and most cabinets are simply closed with a tab and screw. Even the auxiliary locking tab underneath is designed for lock-out/tag-out procedures, not security.
Many locks have professed to be the worlds worst, but I think we finally have a winner.
Good video Bill, but that lock does not belong here.
As a retired electrician of over 30 years, I know quite a bit about those cabinets. First off: the cabinets made by hubble are NOT a lock box. They are made to hold electrical equipment such as a PLC (computer equipment controller) or I/O board. I've often worked on frequency drives worth 1/4 million housed in that type of cabinet. $50,000 is cheap when it comes to the type of industries these devices are used in (usually a large factory, refinery, or other automated plant).
The locks on these cabinets are not meant for security, but only to keep someone from opening the wrong cabinet, and are usually left unlocked anyway with the key forgotten in some file cabinet in an office in a different building. The equipment these cabinets house are not generally standing in random places in the plant, but are contained in an electrical equipment room that may have a lockable door if it is necessary to prevent unauthorized entry, but again is probably left unlocked as nobody would want to go in unless they had business in there.
In my years of working on equipment, the only reason I ever seen of those actually locked, was to prevent an old worn one from falling open by accident and even then the key was hanging right beside it.
What's the difference between a wafer lock and a disk lock?
Wafer locks have wafers moving sideways, disc detainer locks have wafers turning around.
Next up is Locklab Babaganoush, he teaches security fundamentals to underprivileged children
right you are, Ken!
Holy crap! Nuff said...
So that trigger thing then, basically they knew the lock was awful even before selling it, so they added that rather than actually fixing the problem. Well done guys! Haha
Thank you for always running the give-aways, but would you consider selling some of your give-away sets? I like to pay for value and you definitely provide value.
Just google the names and firms he gives and buy it from those who makes it ? :P
@@UltraSuperDuperFreak Sure, but that does not contribute to Mr. Bill (Ohh noo ;-).
@@phrozenwun become a member of his channel or support his patreon
Such locks are Not intended for security, but as a way of saying “electricians only. Often every cabinet by a manufacturer uses the same key - and the key is found in the electrical aisle at Lowe’s.
I work as an electrician in Norway, and here we don't even use fancy keys. We just these called "Iron Double Bit Key"
Saw the caption world's worst locked and thought you was going to say master lock
While a bad lock is a bad lock, these are not really intended for security. Like the locks on most electronic/computer equipment, they are there to keep random idiots from pressing buttons they shouldn't press or unplugging cables to try and 'fix' it. The trigger hole is intended for a LOTO lock and not for securing anything. Security is meant to be handled far outside of the room with the equipment in it.
yeah but this one wouldnt even have appeared locked. so it wouldnt have kept out a canadian priest
Bean counters make it hard to stay legal.
I skip a lot of giveaways because I don't think I'll use the stuff, but I'm definitely jumping on this one!
Wow it's crazy how some companies can get away with such poor products.
Meanwhile, the Microcenter near me uses Mul-T-Lock Interactive cores on everything.
Am I mistaken or did I hear Bosnianbill say that if you JOIN his channel, that automatically enrolls you in the give away??
There's a "Join" button that is basically a paid subscription to a person's YT channel, so... yeah. Makes sense. Have you never seen this feature before?
@@BeamMonsterZeus I've joined some time ago. And I thought when doing so entered "US" in all the give aways. I was just wondering if that was true, or even still going on? Because since then, I stopped entering manually.
Wow, it’s amazing how many security products are made to cut cost & in the process end up compromising overall security.🤷🏽♂️
It's probably not even done for cost cutting. It smacks of ignorance to me. I'd guess that the locking handle, complete with lock cylinder and key, was selected from Alibaba or a hardware catalog by some product designer or procurement manager with no expertise on security or lockpicking whatsoever. He/she picked something that looked nice and beefy and simply assumed that it was fit for purpose. They may even have picked something that cost a bit more just because it looked beefier in the picture. Nobody ever tested it on the completed product, nobody with any security or lockpicking expertise ever passed judgement on it.
By the way, I just looked up "FATH, model FH 333" and found that you can buy a replacement key for this lock on Amazon for $4+$6.04 s&h. Looks like it was never intended to be secure. All such locks have the same bitting.
dlwatib that makes a lot of sense. Thanks for the insight.
Even when there is a padlock on it, it's simple to open it with force.
Simply put a pipe on the handle.
Locks shouldn't be in the handle itself.
No matter how good the lock is, you can get to it from all sides.
Time makes Tight, Bill ;)
Wow, I'm so early this time the drawing isn't even updated from last weekend yet!
Brilliant
“The choices are made by bean counters” Yep, the workers and experts should own these businesses if you ask me. Bean counters can go to hell.
I work in an environment involving the storage and distribution of incapacitant sprays, they're not stored any safer than this. Always a person present, that's our only safety.
Uh, I don't think that was protecting the $50,000 worth of electrical equipment. It was probably protecting idiots from the electrical equipment in the cabinet. My guess is that the cabinet contains 480VAC three phase circuitry, if not so-called "medium voltage" (1,000V to 35kV). Those locks are usually not overwhelmingly secure-they're really just there to encourage you to follow proper safety procedures, like LOTO locks.
I once heard a story, and I can’t say if it’s true. This group of soldiers were resuplied with grenades, not too shocking. Somone decided to lock them up due to civilian bla bla bla, anyway the dude used a no.3 master lock. Already a bad start. So down the line they desperately needed those grenades and couldn’t find the key, so one of the soldiers got down by the lock with his handgun, held it to the lock and said. “Open up, we just wanna talk.”. And they got their grenades after shooting the lock off with the breachers shotgun.
It irony is that they don't care the cost of the equipment, insurance covers it. But insurance requires that it be secured somehow. They could put zip tie on door and still get insurance. lol Hell Walmart keeps its server equipment in plain view in the backroom. They keep the door open because it "gets to hot when we take lunches in there". lol
The lock is required to avoid criminal liability if someone opens the cabinet and get themselves (or others) killed. It's their own fault for breaking in.
I've seen tech companies leave box trucks parked on the street overnight containing hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of equipment in them with their doors secured by Master padlock # 3's....
Never thought I'd say this but a master pad lock would be better..
Shocking
something worse then a masterlock ? damn that's an achievement.
When your vending machine has a better lock then your rack mount...🙄
I'm wondering when we will start seeing locks made from Proteus.
Haha nasty... A lock needed for a lock...
Thats such a generous giveaway!
"I'm going to put this right into the circular file" 😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣
Doesn't matter what lock is on these cabinets the electricians always sit the keys on top or tape them somewhere around it anyway.
The hook is for LoTo equipment. It's a electrical cabinet lock, those are always not very good. The 50k is nothing in a big industrial electrical controls cabinet. Rittal is a better brand. This is probably a Chinese cheap cabinet.
The cabinet is actually very nice and made in USA. The lock is made by FATH and sold to Hubbell.
Bean counters always make the worst decision!
I just can't wrap my brain around why they wouldn't put something like a KABA on there. Cheap SOBs or not.
Wow, that was just terrible. It feels like a do not disturb sign would be better security than that thing.
3 videos in 1?
great video
Wow what a rubbish lock but an amazing giveaway
Love your videos always fun and informative
What are these lock companies thinking, obviously not security.
Wow, it should be against the law to make stuff like that.
That's about as bad as it gets. For a cabinet protecting that level maybe they should look at using something more serious.