I remember hearing that when sora was fighting terror xehanort he was slowly getting weaker because of him needed to maintain a physical form do to the rules of time travelling sora through the repeat was in his friends hearts but when fighting terror xehanort sora took a physical form which must have taken a great deal of his strength to do that
I also heard that the data battles are the seekers true abilities meaning the data battles were what they were really like in the keyblade war so yeah I'll say they are more powerful to there past self's and it does make sense why would xehanort who knows what happened to them would have taken them as his vessels if not make them stronger
You could say that, I suppose. But I just really wanted to point out the whole training thing, in general. The kind of training they did, no matter how long they took, wouldn’t have prepared them for that kind of battle.
I agree. And especially if u take in account they were being trained by Merlin. Like hes a fairly strong wizard (not as strong as Yen SId, more along the lines of Fairy Godmother) but do u remember his training session for Sora in KH1? Dude had us hitting slow moving floating furniture with fireballs... not exactly the type of combat training that wud prove useful in real life scenarios, let alone a keyblade war lol @mezuGC
i really love that people can recognize that kairi's role was not just of a figther,i just wish the translation made sure that all of the do over was thanks to kairi's efforts. This is an amazing video ^v^
Something I recently realized about Kairi is that she's ALWAYS there, even if not physically. Like a princess who serves as a figure head for her people to be inspired from, or that goddess you have faith in even when you can not see her. And yet, as a Guardian...she's SO limited. Like Naminé. She never manages to get her hands dirty. And I'm afraid of what will happen when she does. We know what happened to Jesus.
So like, does sora win outright cause he done the most protecting the worlds?? Oh the war, I thought u were ranking the destiny trio on how they did as wielders, but again, sora just wins
Dude... Goofy and Donald are multiuniversal at least. Fucking Goofy parried the unstoppable Terranort and Donald just went and vaporized it with a single blow. Also, Sora and Riku already had some martial training before their journey, be it rudimentary, but still training, while Kairi never showed to have some.
Goofy and Donald were going off in KH III lol. And yeah, Sora and Riku's Mark of Mastery was technically training, but they were still on their own, like previous games.
Sora & Aqua did not defeat Final Xemnas & Terranort on their own. Sora had Riku’s help, Aqua had Terra’s help. Also Ven’s sacrifice and is what caused the X-Blade to shatter, which is why Aqua was able overpower Ventus-Vanitas.
Unfortunaly Aqua in KH3 is just lame, she's supposed to be one of the strongest keyblade master with lots of feat in her account, she was fightning very powerful heartless in the realm of darkness (heartless in the realm of darkness are terribly stronger than the heartless found in the realm of light) all alone for quite some times, but, nope, in KH3 she is just so weak, they messed up so many characters in KH3...
It’s weird. By all accounts, she should be stronger after fighting so much. But to be fair, the 13 darknesses could just be stronger than they were before.
@@mezuGC I think they just wanted her to get a more "passive" role, she did shine a lot in 0.2, 2.8 and BBS, in these games she's the strongest keyblade user for me, even in BBS, it's no luck she passes the trial of mastery with flying colors, she was keeping up agains't terra physical capabilities (which he is focused on) while still being a magic master, she's by far for me the best of the BBS trio, but yeah in KH3 she's got this massive drop of power, it feels like she fighted so much before the event of the game that she is very exhausted of all of these fights and now she's under performing because of this fatigue. Oh well. Anyway I can't disagree with your list, except MAYBE for Mickey being 2 instead of 3. Also you didn't mentionned how Kairi was doing awesomely good in the fight with sora agaisn't Xehanort, for a newbie facing the (almost) final boss, she was doing extremly well ! Even if she was helped by Sora, it was still insane how well she fought, but still I rly feels like Mickey should be above everyone else outside Sora, I think he did really really good in the keyblade war even tho he is a veteran of fighting.
No argument here. I would put Terra in 3 personally. Not that there is any valid reason other than theory. Xehanort is putting his everything in fighting Sora, Donald and Goofy inside Scala Ad Caelum. While Mickey fought against multiple puppets that just received basic commands with low efficiency and not using strategy to overwhelm him. Terranort on the other hand, is Xehanort with full control on the vessel itself and play cunning mind games towards Aqua and Ven's naivete for their friend. The problem with some of KH definition really bothered me so bad. I blamed Mickey in DDD for saying Keyblade Wielders are Guardians of Light. It undermines Donald and Goofy's contribution to what they've been through with Sora and Square Enix making Axel a keyblade wielder was an excuse of not wanting him being left out for all the guardians that are humans. Seeing how only 4 out of 13 true org members are keyblade wielders work out so well for a spectacle battle, it won't be a big loss just because Axel isn't one. I am sure its going to be a big letdown if every seekers of darkness are keyblade wielders.
All good points. Yeah, Terra is an absolute monster in KH. He’s overwhelming everyone with just brute strength. As for Axel, I like his character, but he doesn’t really have a place in the story anymore. There is the plotline about the girl him and Saïx were looking for, but Axel doesn’t even seem concerned about her.
Aqua lost most of her power due to being in darkness for 10 years probably why she couldn’t sense him. She’s not in her prime that’s my theory. Now the Sora stuff w xemnas makes zero sense ☠️
That’s the thing. We can only theorize. We can assume that Aqua got weaker, but that’s never concretely stated. It is possible though. But it’s also possible that the 13 darknesses are just stronger than they were before somehow. Again, never stated. As far as I know.
And this is why you don't bring characters back........... They are only cannon fodder for the Main Character to look good and do everything they couldn't do😞
I remember hearing that when sora was fighting terror xehanort he was slowly getting weaker because of him needed to maintain a physical form do to the rules of time travelling sora through the repeat was in his friends hearts but when fighting terror xehanort sora took a physical form which must have taken a great deal of his strength to do that
I also heard that the data battles are the seekers true abilities meaning the data battles were what they were really like in the keyblade war so yeah I'll say they are more powerful to there past self's and it does make sense why would xehanort who knows what happened to them would have taken them as his vessels if not make them stronger
I always figured that the training just meant that Axel and Kairi wouldn't have been curb-stomped embarrassingly hard otherwise. It's just to keep up.
You could say that, I suppose. But I just really wanted to point out the whole training thing, in general. The kind of training they did, no matter how long they took, wouldn’t have prepared them for that kind of battle.
@@mezuGC Yeah, you're still right.
I agree. And especially if u take in account they were being trained by Merlin. Like hes a fairly strong wizard (not as strong as Yen SId, more along the lines of Fairy Godmother) but do u remember his training session for Sora in KH1? Dude had us hitting slow moving floating furniture with fireballs... not exactly the type of combat training that wud prove useful in real life scenarios, let alone a keyblade war lol @mezuGC
I’d argue Mickey > Kairi, because he held his own physically much better than her, but other than that you were spittin facts.
From a physical standpoint, I agree with you completely. Thanks for watching!
i really love that people can recognize that kairi's role was not just of a figther,i just wish the translation made sure that all of the do over was thanks to kairi's efforts.
This is an amazing video ^v^
Her role was much bigger than that of a fighter, for sure.
If Xion is last imma crash out
Forgot she isn't technically one, so everything is fine. :)
Lol if she was a guardian, I probably would have put her between Ventus and Aqua.
@@mezuGC for some reason Aqua has just been the largest jobber in Kingdom hearts 3, so I have her above Aqua. But I respect your placement, good sir!
Something I recently realized about Kairi is that she's ALWAYS there, even if not physically. Like a princess who serves as a figure head for her people to be inspired from, or that goddess you have faith in even when you can not see her.
And yet, as a Guardian...she's SO limited. Like Naminé. She never manages to get her hands dirty. And I'm afraid of what will happen when she does. We know what happened to Jesus.
So like, does sora win outright cause he done the most protecting the worlds??
Oh the war, I thought u were ranking the destiny trio on how they did as wielders, but again, sora just wins
It’s pretty much impossible to not put Sora at the top of any KH tier list.
Dude... Goofy and Donald are multiuniversal at least. Fucking Goofy parried the unstoppable Terranort and Donald just went and vaporized it with a single blow.
Also, Sora and Riku already had some martial training before their journey, be it rudimentary, but still training, while Kairi never showed to have some.
Goofy and Donald were going off in KH III lol. And yeah, Sora and Riku's Mark of Mastery was technically training, but they were still on their own, like previous games.
Sora & Aqua did not defeat Final Xemnas & Terranort on their own. Sora had Riku’s help, Aqua had Terra’s help. Also Ven’s sacrifice and is what caused the X-Blade to shatter, which is why Aqua was able overpower Ventus-Vanitas.
Unfortunaly Aqua in KH3 is just lame, she's supposed to be one of the strongest keyblade master with lots of feat in her account, she was fightning very powerful heartless in the realm of darkness (heartless in the realm of darkness are terribly stronger than the heartless found in the realm of light) all alone for quite some times, but, nope, in KH3 she is just so weak, they messed up so many characters in KH3...
It’s weird. By all accounts, she should be stronger after fighting so much. But to be fair, the 13 darknesses could just be stronger than they were before.
@@mezuGC I think they just wanted her to get a more "passive" role, she did shine a lot in 0.2, 2.8 and BBS, in these games she's the strongest keyblade user for me, even in BBS, it's no luck she passes the trial of mastery with flying colors, she was keeping up agains't terra physical capabilities (which he is focused on) while still being a magic master, she's by far for me the best of the BBS trio, but yeah in KH3 she's got this massive drop of power, it feels like she fighted so much before the event of the game that she is very exhausted of all of these fights and now she's under performing because of this fatigue. Oh well.
Anyway I can't disagree with your list, except MAYBE for Mickey being 2 instead of 3.
Also you didn't mentionned how Kairi was doing awesomely good in the fight with sora agaisn't Xehanort, for a newbie facing the (almost) final boss, she was doing extremly well ! Even if she was helped by Sora, it was still insane how well she fought, but still I rly feels like Mickey should be above everyone else outside Sora, I think he did really really good in the keyblade war even tho he is a veteran of fighting.
No argument here. I would put Terra in 3 personally. Not that there is any valid reason other than theory. Xehanort is putting his everything in fighting Sora, Donald and Goofy inside Scala Ad Caelum. While Mickey fought against multiple puppets that just received basic commands with low efficiency and not using strategy to overwhelm him. Terranort on the other hand, is Xehanort with full control on the vessel itself and play cunning mind games towards Aqua and Ven's naivete for their friend.
The problem with some of KH definition really bothered me so bad. I blamed Mickey in DDD for saying Keyblade Wielders are Guardians of Light. It undermines Donald and Goofy's contribution to what they've been through with Sora and Square Enix making Axel a keyblade wielder was an excuse of not wanting him being left out for all the guardians that are humans. Seeing how only 4 out of 13 true org members are keyblade wielders work out so well for a spectacle battle, it won't be a big loss just because Axel isn't one. I am sure its going to be a big letdown if every seekers of darkness are keyblade wielders.
All good points. Yeah, Terra is an absolute monster in KH. He’s overwhelming everyone with just brute strength. As for Axel, I like his character, but he doesn’t really have a place in the story anymore. There is the plotline about the girl him and Saïx were looking for, but Axel doesn’t even seem concerned about her.
Riku also fought young xehanort
If you count Ventus’s Chirithy, wouldn’t that push Ven higher? Since Chirithy is his spirit and he helped Sora a lot.
That wouldn’t put Ventus higher. At least not to me. Chirithy was acting independently from Ventus.
Kingdom hearts 3 could have been wrote and choreographed alot better smh
Aqua lost most of her power due to being in darkness for 10 years probably why she couldn’t sense him. She’s not in her prime that’s my theory. Now the Sora stuff w xemnas makes zero sense ☠️
That’s the thing. We can only theorize. We can assume that Aqua got weaker, but that’s never concretely stated. It is possible though. But it’s also possible that the 13 darknesses are just stronger than they were before somehow. Again, never stated. As far as I know.
@@mezuGC yea it’s ether she got weaker or they got stronger lol
And this is why you don't bring characters back...........
They are only cannon fodder for the Main Character to look good and do everything they couldn't do😞