I really enjoy listening to the vital mx rumor mill especially with Michael being the host. He explains things very well and goes in depth for a lot of the rumors. Great work over there!
I have been asking club for years to do a woods loop. They started one a couple of years ago but never opened it up to the public. They said they had some water/drainage issues and that’s all I ever heard about it. I live close to club and there are a ton of people around here that would love to see a woods loop.
@@shanemoto97 I’m aware just haven’t seen them since push gear and helmets like they did in 2000’s. Make a JB helmet? Deck it out, add the logos and let us buy his race helmet. Easy money. But not done
So essentially… the KTM group went buck wild when they went on a winning streak with Dungey, Webb, cairoli, heaings. Brought back these other brands and now have spent less time developing leaving Yamaha and Honda to actually work on their bikes and thus a better team.
It's borderline lateral move for club to leave Yamaha, although the yam platform isn't head and shoulders above everyone on 250s anymore its still very solid and they have built the team around it with twisted etc. I wonder how much factory money is in it for them if they go gas gas? Factory IS factory so I would certainly understand.
I hope they survive by actually producing budget bikes. I’m good if they want to dump the pro race team. Maybe just stick to grass roots bikes like the 65, 85, 125. Give us $1-2k off of the price of the KTM and Husky, not just a couple hundred bucks.
I assume it would be a GNCC return right? Would make sense as there hasn’t been a single dominant guys since he left. Stew and Kelly made a run and Johnny looks tough but Kailub is built different.
@@alexharlow8546 yeah id imagine it would be GNCC, and i definitely think KR can come right back to the XC1 class and battle for wins and even a championship. My only question would be why, i believe he hold all the records lol
Suzuki guys are like cowboys fans. This is our year it’s gonna be different! Suzuki is going to bring out a new model for the first time in over a decade!
I think ktm parent company should break these brands up instead of directly competing against each other. Cf moto: offroad, sxs, quads Mv augusta: high end motorcycles to compete with ducati and aprilia Husky: offroad adventure segment and the smaller cc street Gasgas: trials and cross country Ktm: mx, sx, offroad, and the naked high performance street. ... or something like that.
The fact that they're all owned by Pierre is the only way they wouldn't compete with eachother if they break them up they will be in competition immediately. Right now it's a win fr PM no latter what bike is bought.
I just don’t see the point of having Gas Gas at this point? Just drop Gas Gas and put JB and Ryder D on Huskys. ML’s point makes sense with Club MX though.
Why has this happened is the question that nobody in this small industry where everyone knows everybody seems to have answered or explained TLD signed a new 3 year deal with KTM group to be the GAS GAS factory team . 6 months into that 3 year deal and Max lee resigns /walks out /pushed ? The KTM group cannot just bail on a 3 year deal without compensation etc as the team TLD would have made plans , employees etc. So what has happened some massive fallout between KTM group and TLD ? and about what Not one word from anybody Vlogs ,websites ,Moto journalists ,so called insiders. are they scared of upsetting Roger de Coster ?
Thanks I was aware that the team was going away for want of a better word. Thanks to all the great content that is put out specially lately with the video content about the US and also Europe now. But I was i guess just curious why or what happened so that Troy ‘s son would resign in the middle of the season and the deal end prematurely. I presumed maybe wrongly there must have been a major fallout or big disagreement about something between TLD and the KTM group And just wondered what it could be/or was about. And thought it was odd seen as moto journalists in this industry seem to have the inside scoop /gossip on everything that happens in the industry But nothing specific or gossip seems to have been thrown out there.
KTM is finally falling the Chinese crap the terrible Quality control on even Austrian made bikes. Them buying two other brands one to steal their engine the other to add an extra brand and “team” to help KTMs win in every series they race. Having almost half the brands be really one ruins parody of any sport and it needs to end and now Ducati is coming to kill them because Ducati is mad about KTMs moves in sport bike racing. They are building dirt bikes purely to stick it to KTM they have openly said this.
I agree, everybody knows the yz250f is the best 250… i just don’t see why club would even think to move off of it even if barX is coming over… club gets better riders than barX
Gas gas and ktms so called money problems are just rumors and assumptions.they have had some reliability problems yes.are they restructuring the company.thats what big companies do.gas gas sales are still strong husky sales are good and ktm are still selling great especially in the off road sector.tld has no riders that can stay healthy.kaplan cycles sells hundreds of gas gas bikes.and he has invested huge in the brand.if it was going under he wouldn't invest so much
How is it a rumor of they themselves are reporting their losses this year?.... Their debt has risen by 89 percent according to reporting, and profits are down by over a 100 million euros..
Thats what they said about Danger boy and where is he now? with Star,, when its time to go Pro, you can throw that whole mini cycle contract shit out the window,, its about money now......
I know that there was talks of them going to gasgas, But allegedly the deegans have bought the facility for 2026 when haiden goes 450 with the help of chad reed and im sure bringing his son onto the team as well. So even if club does go to gasgas it would only be for 1 year and really wouldnt matter.
How does Malcom Stewart still have a factory ride at this point ? He’s literally achieved nothing his whole career apart from having the most crashes of any rider each season 🤦♂️
@@Upthebroncos310 of ever hate drop he’s ha on 450s with times where top riders are out through injury or get bad starts he still never won a supercross and has factory equipment and support ! He crashes out of nearly every race makes dumb decisions on the bike
@@Ozfreerider_adventures I didn’t say that part wasn’t true, he did win a 250 regional title and finished 3rd in the 450sx championship in 2022 so he has achieved something, just not alot, however there are worse riders that get factory rides. Christian Craig for example.
The KTM group don't give a shit about GasGas. They've purposely kept GasGas inferior to KTM and Husqvarna. They trashed the OEM Brembo brakes, No mapping switch, etc;
That was the business model from the beginning and they were very open about it. GasGas is their “more affordable” line with cheaper components, Husky is their middle of the road style brand with a bit better components and KTM is their “ready to race” line with more premium parts.
@@MichaelAMyers1957 it’s about 1-3k cheaper depending on which model. Not much less but still less. I use the term affordable loosely which is why I used quotation marks.
I really enjoy listening to the vital mx rumor mill especially with Michael being the host. He explains things very well and goes in depth for a lot of the rumors. Great work over there!
TLD Ducati sounds awesome!
Love these videos you put out Michael!! So much info and detail, I love hearing about the behind the scenes info and rumors-thank you!!!
Need more Rumormill on Ducati and Triumph too... 🎉
You really sold the pitch for the GasGas/Development ClubMX team. Honestly it would make so much sense with all the points you made.
I have been asking club for years to do a woods loop. They started one a couple of years ago but never opened it up to the public. They said they had some water/drainage issues and that’s all I ever heard about it. I live close to club and there are a ton of people around here that would love to see a woods loop.
That's Business Baby 🔥👊..
Sucks to see TLD GasGas go, they always had some of the best looking bikes and gear
Polished turds though , not competetive in the top 5
Tld Ducati coming soon!!🔥
Troy Lee needs to revamp its branding and start to produce like it used to
Troy Lee recently bought back the rights to TLD and now allegedly owns TLD outright
Troy recently re acquired his business
@@shanemoto97 I’m aware just haven’t seen them since push gear and helmets like they did in 2000’s. Make a JB helmet? Deck it out, add the logos and let us buy his race helmet. Easy money. But not done
Troy just bought it back to do exactly that.
So essentially… the KTM group went buck wild when they went on a winning streak with Dungey, Webb, cairoli, heaings.
Brought back these other brands and now have spent less time developing leaving Yamaha and Honda to actually work on their bikes and thus a better team.
It's borderline lateral move for club to leave Yamaha, although the yam platform isn't head and shoulders above everyone on 250s anymore its still very solid and they have built the team around it with twisted etc. I wonder how much factory money is in it for them if they go gas gas? Factory IS factory so I would certainly understand.
I don't see Gas Gas surviving.
I hope they survive by actually producing budget bikes. I’m good if they want to dump the pro race team. Maybe just stick to grass roots bikes like the 65, 85, 125. Give us $1-2k off of the price of the KTM and Husky, not just a couple hundred bucks.
Yeah quite possible they’ll get sold off and become their own stand alone brand again which could be a good thing anyway.
They need to make their bikes black and they were always looked over by ktm
I thought it was cool that Pierce won his final race with GasGas.
The Kailub Russell rumor is a wild one. If thats true, that will be so badass
That rumor threw me for a loop. Didn't see that coming
@@alexreinhardt28 same that came outta no where
I assume it would be a GNCC return right? Would make sense as there hasn’t been a single dominant guys since he left. Stew and Kelly made a run and Johnny looks tough but Kailub is built different.
@@alexharlow8546 yeah id imagine it would be GNCC, and i definitely think KR can come right back to the XC1 class and battle for wins and even a championship. My only question would be why, i believe he hold all the records lol
I like what ClubMX have got going right now. If I were them I’d be nervous about dealing with KTM. I can just picture some people butting heads
Orrrrr imagine Suzuki needs a home for 250’s now and they get club and get serious about bike development again🤯
Rockstar Suzuki again 🤯
@@eric6rock I support it!
Suzuki guys are like cowboys fans. This is our year it’s gonna be different! Suzuki is going to bring out a new model for the first time in over a decade!
@@Kendall_Simpson I’m just a dirt bike fan but I feel you😅😆 leave us alone
Is that a bad thing?@@Kendall_Simpson
Damn, everyone going to Star. Do they just want em all? More hats in the ring I guess…
Ducati is going after Eli. He's perfect for that bike and that team.
That would be baddass!
He's staying at star
Club has a big advantage to any OEM that wants MX and Gncc in one. Phoenix does too
It's not to have Club run a GNCC program, just that there's room on the property for GNCC training. KTM has that program fully in-house for riders.
I think ktm parent company should break these brands up instead of directly competing against each other.
Cf moto: offroad, sxs, quads
Mv augusta: high end motorcycles to compete with ducati and aprilia
Husky: offroad adventure segment and the smaller cc street
Gasgas: trials and cross country
Ktm: mx, sx, offroad, and the naked high performance street. ... or something like that.
The fact that they're all owned by Pierre is the only way they wouldn't compete with eachother if they break them up they will be in competition immediately. Right now it's a win fr PM no latter what bike is bought.
pretty cool. thanks man.
Hold up we need more info on the Kailub Russell return!
This is the most texts I've gotten about from this video. Ha - ML
What are they going to do with Prada?
Prado is coming to the USA to race for Kawasaki.
I thought they weren’t running husky and gasgas at all it’s done in racing in gps and ama
Barcia just committed to Bakers in 2025
@badbilly1083 what is Bakers?
any word on Maximus Vohland? is healed and riding?,..he alive?
ClubMX for 2025. Isn't back to riding, yet.
Well, this would explain how BarX got Yamaha if Club goes GasGas
Any word on the Coenen brothers coming to us in 2025? if so who they riding for?
I believe they decided to wait until 2026
Waiting until 2026 and both coming over on KTM.
They are waiting for Deegan to move up 😂😂😂
Hope its rockstar
I just don’t see the point of having Gas Gas at this point? Just drop Gas Gas and put JB and Ryder D on Huskys. ML’s point makes sense with Club MX though.
I gotta get me a YOSH hat.
Bout as goofy looking as Rockstar Energy KTM.
all the bikes ktm husky gas gas whilst all a little different they are at the same time way to similar
Rumor has it TLD going back to Honda per some insiders I know!
Honda is quite full, we asked a contact there that's over racing and said they've talked but there's no room support wise.
@@vitalmx that’s good to know!! Would be killer to get Ducati!
Pierce Brown went bonkers in Texas! Is Christian Craig done?
Craig is apparently going to Star
Should be.
Mush mouth back on the mic.
Hopefully not club mx... I want them to be as competitive as possible.
Mayb they wont have all the durability problems if they switch brands
Uhhh club mx is gonna do whatever it takes to keep that yamaha . The 250 is just op rn, unless KTM guarantees factory engine and ecu
As mentioned in the video...the KTM deal that's in the works includes factory enginse and ECUs...
Tld is going to be ducati
Why has this happened
is the question that nobody in this small industry where everyone knows everybody seems to have answered or explained
TLD signed a new 3 year deal with KTM group to be the GAS GAS factory team .
6 months into that 3 year deal and Max lee resigns /walks out /pushed ?
The KTM group cannot just bail on a 3 year deal without compensation etc as the team TLD would have made plans , employees etc.
So what has happened
some massive fallout between KTM group and TLD ?
and about what
Not one word from anybody Vlogs ,websites ,Moto journalists ,so called insiders.
are they scared of upsetting Roger de Coster ?
We've been mentioning for months that they're parting ways. They do have a year left on their contract but they've decided to dissolve it.
Thanks
I was aware that the team was going away for want of a better word.
Thanks to all the great content that is put out specially lately with the video content about the US and also Europe now.
But I was i guess just curious why or what happened so that Troy ‘s son would resign in the middle of the season and the deal end prematurely.
I presumed maybe wrongly there must have been a major fallout or big disagreement about something between TLD and the KTM group
And just wondered what it could be/or was about.
And thought it was odd seen as moto journalists in this industry seem to have the inside scoop /gossip on everything that happens in the industry
But nothing specific or gossip seems to have been thrown out there.
KTM is finally falling the Chinese crap the terrible Quality control on even Austrian made bikes. Them buying two other brands one to steal their engine the other to add an extra brand and “team” to help KTMs win in every series they race. Having almost half the brands be really one ruins parody of any sport and it needs to end and now Ducati is coming to kill them because Ducati is mad about KTMs moves in sport bike racing. They are building dirt bikes purely to stick it to KTM they have openly said this.
Ducati would be stupid to spend money on Bam Bam.
😂 sure
😂😂 Stop GasGas will morph into the triumph's brand. It is why k t m purchased gasgas.
Please don’t club…
I agree, everybody knows the yz250f is the best 250… i just don’t see why club would even think to move off of it even if barX is coming over… club gets better riders than barX
How about some of the room is on the Japanese brands like Suzuki and Honda? If you could do a video, thank you
What 😂
I'll be so pissed if club goes gas gas!
Same but with how many people are are on a star 250 half the field would be on a Yamaha and club isn’t winning any titles
Why? Yamaha has literally shorted them on bike parts and other support. They openly admitted to that.
Club moving to gas gas would be awesome and I’m betting they do better than they are with Yamaha.
I so hope they go gagas!
So Kailub Russel… back to GNCC or another crack at Moto
GNCC.
If club goes to the KTM group, it will be the end of that team. The riders performances will fall quite a bit.
That’s a pretty bold statement. If they switched to Ktm, I guarantee their results would be no different. The good riders will win on any bike.
Gas gas and ktms so called money problems are just rumors and assumptions.they have had some reliability problems yes.are they restructuring the company.thats what big companies do.gas gas sales are still strong husky sales are good and ktm are still selling great especially in the off road sector.tld has no riders that can stay healthy.kaplan cycles sells hundreds of gas gas bikes.and he has invested huge in the brand.if it was going under he wouldn't invest so much
I dnt disagree with you but just because Kaplan is investing in gas gas doesn't mean anything 😂
How is it a rumor of they themselves are reporting their losses this year?.... Their debt has risen by 89 percent according to reporting, and profits are down by over a 100 million euros..
@@JordanEmede_376 he is a smart business guy. He wouldn't be investing so much if the threat was real.
@@Aretumis every company is reporting losses in the recreational sectors. There sales are still at pre covid numbers
What a fairy tale you’ve created
I'm hearing that GasGas may be going ByeBye since KTM is going broke
I still wanna know where Prado will go, i just don’t see him leaving the ktm group he signed with factory ktm when he was on a 65
He's going to kawi. He signed the contract awhile ago.
Already signed with Kawasaki bro... 3 year contrat... where you been:
Thats what they said about Danger boy and where is he now? with Star,, when its time to go Pro, you can throw that whole mini cycle contract shit out the window,, its about money now......
Lol this guy is clueless 😂
@@simpdog1463 but i thought it was not official yet and just people guessing
is ClubMX all sand? the shots always seem to be of what looks like massive amounts of sand.
They have sand and clay on the property.
Club has 8 tracks, go to the website...
90% sand. They have clay for sx that’s it.
I know that there was talks of them going to gasgas, But allegedly the deegans have bought the facility for 2026 when haiden goes 450 with the help of chad reed and im sure bringing his son onto the team as well. So even if club does go to gasgas it would only be for 1 year and really wouldnt matter.
How does Malcom Stewart still have a factory ride at this point ? He’s literally achieved nothing his whole career apart from having the most crashes of any rider each season 🤦♂️
He got 3rd in 2022 SX
@@Upthebroncos310 is that a joke ? I can’t tell
@@Ozfreerider_adventures no he seriously did.
@@Upthebroncos310 of ever hate drop he’s ha on 450s with times where top riders are out through injury or get bad starts he still never won a supercross and has factory equipment and support ! He crashes out of nearly every race makes dumb decisions on the bike
@@Ozfreerider_adventures I didn’t say that part wasn’t true, he did win a 250 regional title and finished 3rd in the 450sx championship in 2022 so he has achieved something, just not alot, however there are worse riders that get factory rides. Christian Craig for example.
The KTM group don't give a shit about GasGas. They've purposely kept GasGas inferior to KTM and Husqvarna. They trashed the OEM Brembo brakes, No mapping switch, etc;
That was the business model from the beginning and they were very open about it. GasGas is their “more affordable” line with cheaper components, Husky is their middle of the road style brand with a bit better components and KTM is their “ready to race” line with more premium parts.
Like the other guy said, that was the point of the gasgas. Cheaper, entry level version of the austrian bikes
@Luap-ls3ix they claim more affordable but a gas gas MX bike is damn near same price as ktm.
@@MichaelAMyers1957 it’s about 1-3k cheaper depending on which model. Not much less but still less. I use the term affordable loosely which is why I used quotation marks.