I love pushing boundaries. Being just a prog-rock guitarist who leans heavily on classical music, a tune like Giant Steps is beyond my improvisational abilities, but that's what I'm here for: the challenge. I may never be a great jazz improviser, but I'll get somewhere new and maybe different in a way that sounds good to me. In the end though, do what makes you happy. That's what people respond to the most anyway. You love playing and it show3s. ^-^
Play 'Coltrain patterns' which are the notes: 1, 2, 3 and 5 of each chord first and then switch the pattern aboud a bit, e.g. 1, 3, 4 and 5; 1, 2, 5, and 3. That's pretty much all he did. You need good technique to play this up to speed but it'll sound great. Just start slowly with each chord at a time.
As a long-time guitar player but jazz student I could improv diminished and whole tone over a static tonal center. I only guessed at and anticipated that this could be applicable over changes like these and actually simplify the improv process a bit. Very cool, thank you!
Thank you Richie,other players i have listen too that do this is..Django Reinhardt and the classical player leo Brouwer also ,Ralph Towner...:-) Be Well...:-)
He truly understands Jazz & Music Thery 🎶...Thanks, and keep up the good work .... enjoy your sound, somewhat reverb, but natural? What are you using? I remember Johnny Smith at his shop in Colorado, my father worked at Johnny's for years... and t remember him playing without amplifier? I still like the natural sound of Archtops.....
I would never suggest starting on a major7 over a dominate chord because you end up with three half steps in a row. Now, if you want to change the structure of the song to suit a major7, fine, but then you're not playing the song.
I don't know where you get the 3 half steps in a row? As far as starting on a maj7 over a dominant chord, it's not functioning as a maj7...it's a chromatic approach on the "and" of the previous beat resolving to 1. This is meant to be played at a high tempo, usually in 8th notes which resolve quickly. Nonetheless, I believe you missed the entire point of this lesson! The use of the diminished over several non diminished chords is obviously not to follow the rules of conventional functional harmony. It's called playing "outside" and is meant to occasionally clash and be dissonant, although it always resolves. This concept is purposely designed to create ongoing "tension and release" and NOT playing through the changes to the letter. There are countless examples by the post-bop masters applying exactly what I've described. And before I forget...what do you mean you are not playing the song, if you do this?...It's jazz improvisation...so we are re-inventing the song. What we do and don't do in jazz, has to do with the context we are playing in and various other factors that are determined by your level and experience as a musician. That said, this is Coltrane we are dealing with here...in other words, post bop...not swing or dixieland!
Years ago, a sax player in New Orleans told me 2 things several times. He’d say get a half step out and play diminished, and often he’d say hit a bad note on a weak beat. It certainly led to me playing some interesting stuff. A trick I think to help get to this kind of thing. It did help. Thanks for your insight and clarity on this diminished business.
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that's really cool. i was trying to view it in the same, but i can't hear it. it just doesn't registar in my head. so I don't know how to make it ring.
@@RichieZellon you mean I didn’t praise your efforts. ok but I’m a old man I’m a little bit tired and sometimes what comes out of my mouth is like what I really feel and the truth is I don’t have anything else to do but try to learn something new.
@@grantgre no I didn't mean at all that I wanted you to praise my efforts. Just say what you don't like and why. That would be welcome criticism for us who put a lot of time into creating these videos. That way we can gauge what viewers like or not like so we can take it in consideration for future videos.
I love pushing boundaries. Being just a prog-rock guitarist who leans heavily on classical music, a tune like Giant Steps is beyond my improvisational abilities, but that's what I'm here for: the challenge. I may never be a great jazz improviser, but I'll get somewhere new and maybe different in a way that sounds good to me. In the end though, do what makes you happy. That's what people respond to the most anyway. You love playing and it show3s. ^-^
Play 'Coltrain patterns' which are the notes: 1, 2, 3 and 5 of each chord first and then switch the pattern aboud a bit, e.g. 1, 3, 4 and 5; 1, 2, 5, and 3. That's pretty much all he did. You need good technique to play this up to speed but it'll sound great. Just start slowly with each chord at a time.
As a long-time guitar player but jazz student I could improv diminished and whole tone over a static tonal center. I only guessed at and anticipated that this could be applicable over changes like these and actually simplify the improv process a bit. Very cool, thank you!
I have really enjoyed books of counterpoint and harmony in the past, this fit right in right on.
You’re a great teacher. Thank you so much for putting in all the work.
Thanks, much appreciated 🙏
Great stuff
Awesome! Really cool sound, I definitely gotta practice this
Great lesson! Your lesson subject matter is spot on.
The best lesson I've ever seen from Giant Steps! ❤️😀
Thanks Walter!
a great vid Richy Z.
Thanks Randy!
Richie, I agree with the comment that the diminished scale is so helpful but must not be overused.
Hahaha I loved this. i have been only doing coltrane changes for the last 2 months, its my coltrane months. ✌️
But basics never hurt😁
Thanks!
Love it!
Thanks Eric!
Thank you Richie,other players i have listen too that do this is..Django Reinhardt and the classical player leo Brouwer also ,Ralph Towner...:-) Be Well...:-)
He truly understands Jazz & Music Thery 🎶...Thanks, and keep up the good work .... enjoy your sound, somewhat reverb, but natural? What are you using? I remember Johnny Smith at his shop in Colorado, my father worked at Johnny's for years... and t remember him playing without amplifier? I still like the natural sound of Archtops.....
Thanks John...I am using a Sadowsky Jim Hall through a Henriksen amp.
This changes everything! thank you sir
my head just exploded...
Ouch!
I would never suggest starting on a major7 over a dominate chord because you end up with three half steps in a row.
Now, if you want to change the structure of the song to suit a major7, fine, but then you're not playing the song.
I don't know where you get the 3 half steps in a row? As far as starting on a maj7 over a dominant chord, it's not functioning as a maj7...it's a chromatic approach on the "and" of the previous beat resolving to 1. This is meant to be played at a high tempo, usually in 8th notes which resolve quickly. Nonetheless, I believe you missed the entire point of this lesson! The use of the diminished over several non diminished chords is obviously not to follow the rules of conventional functional harmony. It's called playing "outside" and is meant to occasionally clash and be dissonant, although it always resolves.
This concept is purposely designed to create ongoing "tension and release" and NOT playing through the changes to the letter. There are countless examples by the post-bop masters applying exactly what I've described.
And before I forget...what do you mean you are not playing the song, if you do this?...It's jazz improvisation...so we are re-inventing the song. What we do and don't do in jazz, has to do with the context we are playing in and various other factors that are determined by your level and experience as a musician. That said, this is Coltrane we are dealing with here...in other words, post bop...not swing or dixieland!
"you end up with three half steps in a row"
Ever hear of bebop scale?
There is no such scale...that's a misnomer, even Barry Harris will tell you...and what does it have to do with this video??
Years ago, a sax player in New Orleans told me 2 things several times. He’d say get a half step out and play diminished, and often he’d say hit a bad note on a weak beat. It certainly led to me playing some interesting stuff. A trick I think to help get to this kind of thing. It did help. Thanks for your insight and clarity on this diminished business.
Great. Someone really needed to study this tune, thanks
Man you are playing some great lines
Yeah,man!
Very nice... thanks for sharing !
Beautiful! New subscriber, how about some jazz comp videos?
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I loved it, Richie.
Thanks, glad to hear it!
that's really cool. i was trying to view it in the same, but i can't hear it. it just doesn't registar in my head. so I don't know how to make it ring.
Don't worry about it, it's not for everyone. Thanks for your feedback!
@@RichieZellon i like playing outside, and squeak honk 70s stuff lol!
This is my new knowledge from you, using scale that can fit to chord changes, thank you ❤️
Cool hat? Where can I get one?
In the Andes mountains of Peru
At last, something I can play on Giant Steps apart from the usual arps, triads and Coltrane patterns!
Absolutely loved it.
I made it all the way through. Thanks, Richie.
Congrats Tom! You survived...One guy said his head exploded! 🤣
i like your lesson ; you show the symmetrical diminished idea very well over the chord progressions .... You are a great Teacher . Thank You .
Thanks Manu, much appreciated!
on the requested , do we like this? What else we got to do with our time ?
If it's sarcasm, its not very constructive...
@@RichieZellon you mean I didn’t praise your efforts. ok but I’m a old man I’m a little bit tired and sometimes what comes out of my mouth is like what I really feel and the truth is I don’t have anything else to do but try to learn something new.
@@grantgre no I didn't mean at all that I wanted you to praise my efforts. Just say what you don't like and why. That would be welcome criticism for us who put a lot of time into creating these videos. That way we can gauge what viewers like or not like so we can take it in consideration for future videos.
@@RichieZellon I don’t really have any criticism. It is what it is you know.
I think it sounds great. As you say, discretion is so important. That said I can really hear it.
Absolutely, glad you like it!
Great playing and lesson,...many thanks for your all the effort
My pleasure, glad you enjoyed it Jake!
Thank you Ritchie. You have a fantastic channel!
Thank you kindly!
Still with you Richie. ¡Me encanta esto!
Que bueno!