Death and Rebirth - The Irish Easter Rising - Part 5 - Extra History
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In the aftermath of the Irish uprising, the British vowed to punish the rebels with impunity. Ireland now under martial law saw that the nationalists were tried with no legal counsel or defense. Putting many to death by firing squads over the next five days and leaving the people of Ireland confused, upset, and ready for change.
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Is the title an Evangelion reference?
Sup dude
@@thutch7622 go outside
Ireland's civil war lasted until 1990 when The Good Friday Peace acord's were signed into law to end the uprising and the political and civil unrest which lasted for decades known as the Troubles so Irelands Civil War didn't in 1918.
8:03 do you mean 'regulated'? Or did i misheard you say 'relegated'
Joseph Plunkett got married just before his execution which was one of the biggest things that turned anger against the British.
Yes, I was disappointed that he and Grace weren't mentioned. Also Countess M's indignation at being spared the death penalty because of her gender.
Oh Grace
Just hold me in your arms
And let this moment linger;
They'll take me out at dawn
And I will die.
Hmmm… name seems awfully familiar…
He was married while IN jail, meaning that by all accounts it seemed like he was allowed to go home, why else would you allow him to marry?
@@margaretcarter6483
Think the biggest failure of the Brits was no killing off Eamon. He was worse than the Brits for this country. Literally.
“Come let us hear you tell
How you slandered great Parnell
When you thought him well and truly persecuted
Where are the sneers and jeers
That you loudly let us hear
When our leaders of sixteen were executed”
The origins of revolutions are always so fascinating to me. It's amazing that tyrannical powers today don't seem to understand that this kind of brutal crackdown just spurs further rebellion eventually. Watching the movement rising in Iran right now in comparison is compelling.
Tyrants act like Homer Simpson: "Why does everything I whip leaves me?"
well there was a protest in Iran after current regime got to power. Why was there no major protest or rebelion in the last 30 years or so you may ask. Well search Iran's 1988 mass executions. I don't feel comfortable writing about it myself. Though it shows how well you can put down the fire of revolution with help of force. It happend many more times in the history. For example Tiananmen square massacre, decembrist revolt, Arab spring in Egypt and many many more, so yeah don't ever underestimate political violence. That said I wish only the best for the Irani people.
@@krystofk.2279 Oh, I don't disagree - that's why I specified "eventually". I mean, the Irish suffered terrible atrocities under the British for centuries.
Sometimes those government last longer that the live of the leaders.
That's probably the immediate goal and assumption of those in power.
You say that, but often tyrants using brutal repression does work like 99% of the time. The few exceptions are just that; exceptions.
“Oh grace just hold me in your arms and let this moment linger”
The sixteen were heroes, TIocfaidh Ar La
And back through the glen, I rode again
And my heart with grief was sore
For I parted then with valiant men
Whom I never shall see n'more
But to and fro in my dreams I go
And I kneel and pray for you
For slavery fled, O glorious dead
When you fell in the foggy dew
But to and fro in my dreams I go,
And I kneel and pray for you,
For slavery fled, O glorious dead,
When you fell in the foggy dew
Ireland cannot rebel, it can only be liberated. If that liberation requires violence, it's because violence is the only language the British listen to.
After the storm of the cival war was over it rised again in small campaigns then a long war and one that still persists to this day
could you'll do a series on the Basque fight against the Spanish
Really loving the series so far, one thing I perticulary enjoy which I often don't encounter when this topic is discuss is how unbiased the video is. The british did horrible acts during and before the Irish rebeled AND the fact that the irish unjustly killed more civilians then british military during the uprising. A horrible situation and both sides had there parts to play in it.
Can't wait for the next episode keep up the hard more x
One inconsistency: the map you showed for the Irish War of Independence was in accurate, as Ireland hadn’t been split into Northern Ireland and the Republic of Ireland yet. The ROI was officially instated in 1932, after the War.
Yeah there were still lots of IRA rebels in what is now modern day Northern Ireland and how the map is set up makes it seem as if there wasn’t
The Civil War and War for Independence would both be really good mini series
Poor Ulster being flooded by the ocean at 6:15.
been watching you guys since i was 10 now am turn 17 i just found that so crazy
I'm sad there was literally no mention of Michael Collins
Always wanted to know how the conflict started and ended. Thanks for the lesson!!
Blackadder is a great show
It would be nice to see the Algerian or Vietnam War of Independence to compare and constrast.
Glory oh glory oh to the bold fenian men
Imagine basically hearing your sibling get shot! Ugh!! Gives me the shivers.
You put did not just put a “ It was Walpole” sticker on the fridge.
0:19 "Shirtly after..."
You should do a video about the Korean liberation army from ww2.
Another amazing series with the classic artstyle
Always remember, every Easter Monday, to wear your Easter Lily
7:00-9:00 well thought out analysis of the complexities of human existence.
Another awesome video series. Any chance you guys can do the Mexican revolution next?
I'm curious when you're going to do the Peloponnesian war
Ayy question could you do a series on Napoleon??
They have a Patreon vote for a series on the American Civil War and then the Napoleonic Wars.
@@fareezamanzur-abdulmajid278 I wish I could use patreon.
I’m proud of everyone that fought the British. I’m sad America became friends with them after the revolutionary war.
Led Zeppelin "Stairway to Heaven" lyrics rings while I'm listening to this.
Charles *Blackadder* I don't remember did this make it into the tv show?
Blackadder?? Did I hear that right?
I had to pause to check if I'd heard that right too.
Captain Blackadder you say? I thought he was on the Somme.. It is well documented 🤔
The other Blackadders have the first name of Edmund while this General Blackadder is named Charles.
7:30 Hold on. Who, actually, holds that historical view and where is there any evidence of that trajectory being the case?
Hopefully your question will be addressed in Lies
Its easy to criticize this now, but for thousands of years humans have typically resorted to treating each other with cruelty in all manner of circumstances. This is not an excuse, just a recognition that we are terrible at compromising with one another, and let our pride go to our head. In fact, this is still going on.
Only the last few decades have seen *moderate* improvements in treatments, but even then things like the Tuskegee experiment just show that no matter what style of government we have, we are still just as cruel to ourselves. The only difference is in how its "presented".
Ahhhhhhhhhh fresh off the TH-cam conveyor (?) Just like eating freshly made bread
1:45 any relation to Edmund Blackadder?
no mention of the IRA and what happened afterward. The troubles need a series.
And how the UVF was formed before them.
Clarification on the "comma" 😅
Iirc correctly, Sir Roger Casement made the quip regarding his execution due to a comma more of his irritation as to why his lawyers insisted on using a purely technical defense rather than a substantive one.
Was also expecting Casement's speech after his conviction but kind of did not include it here (although i am expecting a sequel on irish independence to include that 😁)
Yay new episode😊😊😊
Interesting
I like your shows by the way
How dear you not include Northern Ireland as part on Ireland.
It sounds like a mess. And like the British lost the aftermath.
I appreciate it wasn't the focus of the series, but I have to echo the other voices saying that the Civil War description was very far off the mark.
I’m conflicted on whether to be happy to finish this series or to facepalm at the senseless violence
Did you just say "Blackadder"?
Cool history
I remember 2016 was the 100 anniversary of the rising, and my Irish school went crazy celebrating the rising only talking about positive. I am not Irish and I was a bit suspicious and then I got an interest in history and that's when I knew it was ideolized. After some research I am more on the side that it was unnecessary. And without it Ireland would be united and be more like Canada.
I'm not sure if it's true that Ireland wouldn't be split. North Ireland would still be a functionally different demographic with a much stronger tie to Brittain than the rest of Ireland.
I'm not sure what reason there is to assume that through a peaceful process they wouldn't have pushed to remain a part of the English Empire
@@aldenkahl8703 the reason why I think Ireland would have stayed whole is because then the process would be slower and less nationalistic, like in Canada. This would mean independence wouldn't much impact North Ireland's Protestants and so they wouldn't mind the gradual push for independence until it was too late. Of course we can't be certain but that's the conclusion I've come to over the years.
@@HopeRock425 I think that's pretty weak reasoning. They were already against the more lightweight nationalist movement.
Well I was there outside the GPO on 24 April 2016, probably the only Englishman almost 1000's of Irish men and women and trust me Order 256 was only introduced on 27 April 1916 for 1 reason only. All this rubbish about "the British being taken by surprise" is just complete nonsense, the British (Authur Belfour) knew the Rising was going to happen, they even know it was going to be Easter Monday not Easter Sunday, so why did they let the Rising go ahead? Simple, so they could carry out the plot they called off in Oct 1915. Anyone who has bothered to read the HofC Hansard notes of April 1916 and particularly John Dillons speeches in the HofC would know this. Clearly the makers of this video and many other people have never acutely bothered to do that. All is not what it seems and the British were very cleaver. As for the loss of the six counties in1922, they were never going to be given up by the Unionists in the north albeit the actual British goverment and DLG in particular wanted to get rid of the whole of Ireland at the time, but British politics is never that simple or straight forward.
Charles who was that now?
yooooooooo new vid
sounds like, kill maim jail XD
Y'all realize this is just a summary of the events? So they're not going to talk about everything, right? right????
> General Charles Blackadder
...wait, *seriously*?
...I thought they picked the name for the show because it *wasn't* a real surname. Shows what I know, I suppose.
Whats more the rebels of 1916 have about as much chance in their trials as Captin Blackadder did when he was CM'd after shooting General Melchett's Speckled Jim.
Overall you've done well but your synopsis on the civil war is quite wrong.
Nice series and like the ending 👏
I think you titled it wrong. It should be ''Justice, At last''
cool
So, we're just not gonna touch on The Troubles? No North, Republic split? None of the eventual consequences of all that?
That’ll all take quite a while to cover let’s be honest and I think if they did touch on the troubles it would probably be quite controversial
Like it’s a bit to recent and affecting people to this day sort of thing
1916 to 1919 is two years? Also the Irish war of independence lasted from 1919 to 1921, that's not a year. And then only after the Irish civial war an independent Ireland, and Ireland did not become a republic till 1949. So yes you have a lot of things right, but when you are wrong you are wrong.
If Ireland ever had a chance at achieving independence peacefully then Northern Ireland would not still be a part of the United Kingdom.
Love this series, but it really feels like y’all went out of the way to not take sides when the Republicans were clearly in the right. Violence against the empire is not the same as violence from the empire. Yes it is a rotten shame that there were many Irishmen who fought against the revolution, but there are compradors (those who benefit from and live quite comfortably under the pernicious status quo) in every revolutionary setting, otherwise the empire would have no base and therefore no real means with which to maintain power.
Roger Casement really deserves his own series or at least an episode
Yes! He was instrumental in exposing King Leopold II and the atrocities in the Congo Free State
He was a bit of a legend.
The Civil War is fairly badly misrepresented here. It wasn’t fought between republicans and nationalists who wanted to remain part of the British empire, it was fought between republicans who were in favour of the Anglo-Irish treaty, and republicans who were against it.
The Anglo-Irish treaty created the Irish Free State as a British dominion, like Australia and Canada, as part of the British empire, with the Monarch as head of state. It also partitioned the island between the Free State and Northern Ireland. Many republicans thought this wasn’t what they had fought for and were massively against the treaty as a result. Other republicans accepted that, although not ideal, an all-Ireland republic was never actually on the table and the treaty was the best they could hope for, but it could at least be used as a stepping stone towards full independence. This lead to an internal split within the IRA between pro-treaty and anti-treaty factions, which eventually led to civil war.
Very few, if any, people on any side wanted to remain part of the British Empire, it was simply about making the most of what was available to them. It was idealism versus pragmatism.
Yeah that part was really 'I mean you're technically correct but you're very wrong'
@@graceohanrahan2865 I get the impression they tried to use it to emphasise the ‘revolutions and civil wars are very nuanced’ angle, but the reality of the civil war is already incredibly nuanced and contradictory, so I don’t see why you’d need to reframe it to get the same effect.
It was a good series overall, but this just felt like an odd decision.
what you said and what the video said are the same thing. The Anglo-Irish treaty would've kept Ireland as a dominion of the British Empire while opposing it meant complete separation.
@@Last555555555 The point is that the pro-treaty side in the civil war were not actively fighting to keep Ireland in the British Empire, they were fighting because they realised the treaty was the best they were going to get. They wanted full independence as much as anyone else, but in their minds, if an all-Ireland republic was off the table, any form of independence was good in the short term.
@@wynty200 The Pro-Treaty forces were fighting to make Ireland a dominion of the UK. Whether they intended it or not, they were fighting to keep Ireland in the British Empire. And they were wrong about whether they could get full independence or not because Britain would not have had the ability to force Ireland to remain if the Irish people didn't want to
General Blackadder? A relative of a certain captain serving in the Western Front perhaps?
Perhaps this was all part of a cunning plan?
@@fakeskyler2305 wonder if his aide-de-camps was called Baldrick ?
The late captain blackadder?
@@APersonOnTH-camX by the time of the Easter Rising he wasn't
perhaps so, darling
It's a shame you didn't touch on how Ireland became split between north and south, since that's one of the most relevant parts of this whole ordeal in the modern day.
it's a much bigger topic than could be covered in a series centred on the Rising. I'd even argue that calling it "north and south" is viewed as problematic by a lot of people, and that speaks to the difficulty in discussing it in brief rather than giving Partition its own series
If they’re gonna touch on Northern Ireland the It would need to be its own series
While I get the suggestion, that topic goes well beyond the Easter Rising, into not just the War of Independence, but also the subsequent Irish Civil War
Fact a part of Ireland turned traitor and went with there conquering kings and queens I mean how does a whole country get Stockholm syndrome.
Then he would have to mention religion more.
British authorities: "We did it, we defeated the rebels!"
More and more irish people start showing sympaty for the rebels, and a bigger fight starts two years later, resulting in Ireland independence.
British authorities: "Oh, C'mon!"
God bless the Irish rebels, they fought for the people's freedom.
It was a sad outcome for everyone. What is worse is that the rebelling was so very pointless and Ireland was better off as part of England.
And I am Irish and even I never stood with the evil terrorist trying to go against there government.
I majored in Irish history in college, with a focus on the revolutionary period. My favorite part of that entire period is how the British screwed themselves here. The rebels practically walked into their cells as villains, back out again to the prison ships as heroes, and that was the beginning of the end of British rule in (most of) Ireland. If the British had just gotten the executions over and done with in a day, or sent the leaders to kick rocks in Australia, we may never have heard from them again.
so funny! 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Two years? So 1916 to 1919 is 2 years to you? 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 No that is three years
If they didn't humiliate the leaders and executed then people would have never rose up in revolt.
"And back through the glen, I rode again,
And my heart with grief was sore.
For I parted then with valiant men,
Whom I'll never see no more.
But to and fro in my dreams I go,
And I kneel and pray for you,
For slavery fled, O glorious dead,
When you fell in the foggy dew..."
I love this song
I remembered this song as well. That second to last line in particular when he showed the execution of Padraig Pearse
It feels like an almost criminal over simplification to paint the pro-treaty side of the Civil War as wanting to stay within the British empire. It wasn’t that they wanted to stay, it’s just they felt that taking the British peace deal was the first stepping stone to total independence, where as the anti treaty side saw any compromise as acquiescence
“The freedom to gain their freedom”, as Collins put it. In the end, he was right.
“When you fell in the Foggy Dew”
Such a good song
Do the Greek revolutionary war of 1821 against the ottoman empire next please
I have been asking for this since the sengoku jidai series!
The wackiest thing is having English poet Byron joining in as a volunteer, financing a unit of Albanians, and dying there because stupid doctors bled him with dirty instruments.
Framing the civil war as between republicans and those who wanted to stay in the empire isn't quite the whole story. It was between those who wanted to make peace with the Anglo-Irish Treaty and those who wanted to keep fighting for a full republic. Pro-treaty forces had the majority support and there wasn't really much fight left in the IRA by that time. Not many people actually wanted to be a Dominion and give up the 6 counties but the Treaty was a compromise, which I think is worth a mention.
This has been a great series though ❤️ It's great to see people abroad learning about our history, especially after 6 years of seeing how misinformed some people are...
Is it true that Irish and British governments of the time both perceived the treaty as a temporary measure and that it was always felt that reunification would happen eventually?
@@louthegiantcookie Partition was seen by both sides as a temporary measure, not a permanent one.
Exactly. This was what I was coming here to post. The Pro-treaty side in the civil war wasn't pro-Dominion, it was in favour of accepting as much independence as they had been able to get at the negotiating table. I'd get more into the insanity of giving the negotiators the authority to strike a deal, then stabbing them in the back and campaigning against the deal, but this post would just turn into an anti-Dev rant.
Not all Americans are ignorant.... Erin go Bragh
1:42 - I'm sorry, but as soon as I heard "General Charles Blackader", I have this sudden urge to start humming the Blackadder Theme song.
One important footnote: When Connolly was executed he was already dying from the wounds he'd received during the uprising (his doctors only gave him a couple more days to live) and wasn't even able to stand. So instead they tied him to a chair and shot him.
This really is just the perfect encapsulation of just how counter-productive the executions were. If they'd waited a week he'd have died in his cell and hardly been remembered. Instead they shot an already dying man sat in a *chair* on the last day of the extremely unpopular executions, and in the process made him a martyr so famous he features in nationalist songs like The Patriot's Game. Way to go lads, no way that kind of thing isn't going to come back to bite you.
Feel like Michael Collins should've been mentioned way more in this
I feel there were a lot of missed chances here. As you mentioned Michael Collins should have prob been brought up a bit more, while he was relatively small fish for this is where he found his footing.
They also seem to have gone for british veiwed or "bias" history at points. (Not saying they are bias, it happens sometimes doesn't make them bias.)
A great example of this is them mentioning the idea of taking the castle, this wasn't really an idea in the irish ranks or active leadership. It was a stalling tactic not a capture the castle.
It was deemed the castle 100 years back would be important to hold, but in the 1900s it was decided the post office with its better location for runners was a better location to focus.
It was a political war, a hope it'd turn into a full blown rebellion was there ofc, but they never let it cloud the reality that for hundreds of years they never managed a large scale revolution and it likely wouldn't start suddenly in the early 1900s.
Michael Collins came later. And they also did not mention de Valera, for the same reason.
He played a fairly minor role in the rising his claim to fame is much more so the war of independence
@@adrianainespena5654 he was in it
@@adrianainespena5654Both DeValera and Collins were in the Rising. I can't remember why Collins wasn't executed, but DeValera wasn't executed because he was American
You guys should make resources for schools. I would've been a lot more engaged in history class if we were using books by Extra Credits :)
Yes please!
A lot of the success is that it's in a medium that isn't a book. All their information comes from existing books they research, but it's research that's difficult for the average person that they're condensing into short form videos that can be watched passively.
Schools do make use of these videos, by the way. I know of some history teachers who play these in class as supplementary information.
This was a really weird series, very short episodes that covered a lot of events but actually very little detail. This episode especially covered way too broad a time-frame.
Huge Mistake!! Great series so far but you say one faction wanted to remain part of the empire. That is offensivly wrong. One side was willing to be pragmatic and accept a treaty temporarily that meant being part of the empire to get "the freedom to attain freedom". They wanted independence too, they were just willing to take a 80% victory immediately and regroup for a full victory later while the anti treaty side demanded immediate victory. It's like saying che guevara was a hard core capitalist because Castro went a little further.
Sure champ whatever you say
A tiny bit of an over simplification about the civil war there. At the end of the war of independence, Irish representatives including Michael Collins went and worked out a treaty to end the violence. This would leave ireland as a "Free State" but still in the commonwealth and with the king as the monarch and would divide the north from the south as it is today. The pro treaty side saw the treaty as a stepping stone to full independence while the anti treaty wanted full independence then and there. and so fighting broke out with the pro treaty side winning in no small part thanks to british help and a lack of support for the Anti treaty side among the public. The Pro-treaty side weren't really in favour of british rule at all, they just saw the treaty as an easier and less bloody way to achieve full independence which they did do in 1937. The North south split endured tho, and that is why it is still split today.
Surprised that neither Michael Collins nor Eamonn de Valera were mentioned here. I mean I get that this was the final episode, so they weren't going to introduce any new 'characters' but considering they touched on the war for independence and the civil war, it's odd that neither got a mention
It feels wrong to say the Civil War was because some wanted to stay in the British Empire. No Nationalist wanted to be part of it, they simply felt that the peace terms the British government gave them was the best they could get.
Thank you for saying it!!!! It did frustrate me him saying it but couldn’t put it in the right words
@@ferguscollins7641 Especially since they could have easily explained it in 30 seconds. I'm kinda stunned that they'd put that in since its just wrong, feels like they didn't bother researching it at all.
I teach adults English here is Dublin, as well as being a primary (elementary) school teacher. I have a great love and passion for history, especially that of my homeland. You guys have done an amazing job with the Easter Rising, am very impressed and will be happily using your videos to teach my classes. But above all else, your last thoughts echo that which I regularly say to my junior and adult students- in Irish history, we Irish are our own worst enemies! Here's hoping you someday cover the 1798 rebellion, the Irish War of Independence, the Irish Civil War and, if you have the stomach for a massively divisive issue, the Troubles! Keep up the fantastic work. Éirí an bothar leat! (May the road rise to meet you- an Irish blessing of future success!)
No surrender!!!
The irish are not your enemies. Imperialism and capitalism are.
@MattOnWheels Well we don't do ourselves any favours allowing differences in two sects of the same religion define us, as we did in the past and continue to do in Northern Ireland. I get your point though, pure simple human greed had not helped either.
@Catfootball Surrender of what? What exactly are we surrendering? I mean we have been independent for 100 years now and the mess of Northern Ireland is really to do with two identities just not getting along but both have been there since the early 1500s. The British government would happily pull out of NI if it could. So, I really don't get your statement!
Long time viewer, and I certainly appreciate your content. Please do a series on the Molly Maguires who sabotaged mines in the coalfields of Pennsylvania. Very good story.
The explanation for the Irish Civil war is misleading. Both groups were pro independence and republic but only one of them is pro treaty which will create Irish Free State. They know after the treaty they can continue working for full independence.
Could we get a series about Anne de Bretagne, Corsica with pascal paoli, the basque uprisings or the Samis?
Not to disminish the Irish in any way(big love to my celtic brothers) but their story is very well known by now while other European minorities such as the bretons, basques, corsicans and Sami have rich stories and cultures ignored
The history of Ireland's move toward independence over the past 200 years is just one self-inflicted public relations screw up after another by the UK. Worse than that, yes, by a long shot. But it seemed every time the Irish Nationalists rose up, the people were luke warm to opposed until London practically pushed them into supporting it.
I know this isn't supposed to be funny, but I hereby petition Rowan Atkinson to play General Charles Blackadder
Are we ready for a Grimdark Blackadder, though?
@@chrisforsyth8323 Who else could make something so horribly depressing into something hilariously funny?
My thoughts exactly
@@chrisforsyth8323 I mean... the last episode kinda went there.
@@chrisforsyth8323 That would be Ciaphas Cain, Hero of the Imperium.
I will always respect Joe Hill and his badass move to order his own firing squad to fire, interrupting the executioner
The Rising was put down, but still kind of succeeded? It's so interesting to me how they essentially succeeded through failure. It's like the dictionary definition of a Pyrrhic victory for the British government - but not surprising that they would make such a blunder when one considers how my country had treated the Irish for centuries before the revolution.
A terrible beauty is born
British are kind of masters of glorifying losses themselves, the most famous battle they took part in is charge of the Light Brigade, I guess heroic sacrifices are far more motivating than steamrolling, Greeks have their Thermopylae, Americans - Alamo, and we got Kruty.
Dafaq is 6:15 supposed to be? XD
Also, saying that pro-Treaty IRA WANTED to remain a part of the British Empire is A GROSS overstatement.
You make it sound like those in support of the Irish free state wanted it to be a Irish free state which isn’t the case as micheal Collins famously said this is a stepping stone to Irish independence. Micheal Collins just knew they wouldn’t be able to hold out against the strongest army in the world much longer
By the way love your videos hate to be negative as you make amazing content but it’s something that I’m quite passionate about as this is what caused the whole civil war
It's a frequent rule in history that, if people want to rebel, someone on the leader side of things is doing something wrong. And it's heart-breaking that so many of those leaders just use those rebellions as an excuse to be even worse than they were before 😟
I forgot where I heard this, but I remember a quote that goes something like: "It's better for the revolutionary to not survive their revolution." Basically that revolutionary leaders usually don't make good leaders of government.
I think 2 ideas that complicate the picture: 1. Occupied/conquered countries like Ireland or Poland may not want outside influence vs domestic governments like Iran today. 2. What do you do with the US Civil War? Confederacy rebelled for slavery but slavery was wrong and needed to to away. Was the leader’s problem that they didn’t go through the process right?
@@johnkeefer8760
From what little I gather of the US Civil War, the South were in their rights to withdraw and the North didn't let them. However, if the North didn't intervene, then the harm of slavery would have continued (somewhat muting the moral legitimacy of the South's legal arguement).
@@SWProductions100 The South was not within their rights to secede. They threw a tantrum after a legitimate election didn't go their way. No state has the right to unilaterally secede from the Union under any circumstances.
@@erraticonteuse
Well, as said, my knowledge is admittedly little.
Orangemen just felt a disturbance in the force
The fact that blackadder is a real person baffles me
"Charles Blackadder...." What about Baldrick?
I hope that Extra Credits can one day make a series on the Troubles
This series should remind everyone how perception of events change with the time period. The average Irish person at the time of this Easter Rising likely loathed the rebels, but later generations would revere them. Who knows; maybe sometime in the future they will be loathed again? This goes for any event in history; what one day you hate/love may be reversed by future generations. History is hardly a straight line, and neither is our perception of it. For better or for worse.
Considering the Irish Republic immediately went into a civil war after independence I'm sure the rebels will still be seen as hero but with a more critical eye.
The rising wasn’t that popular at the time but one factor that wasn’t mentioned in the video was the British reaction after the rising where that rounded up Irish people who had no part or intentions in the rising and shipped them off to prisons in Wales where the actual rebels of 1916 were also incarcerated. Many went in to prison innocent of involvement but left ready to fight for Ireland because they got recruited while incarcerated
I always enjoy hearing about these brave acts of resistance. Then feel sad when they end up being brutally suppressed like this.
Men and Women who stood for something greater in the face of overwhelming odds where fewer would never dare. They tend to be the most impactful.
In the case of the Easter Rising, these fallen Irish nationalists created martyrs for what was to come next
Kinda wish there had been even a little more discussion of the women involved. The Easter rising pretty famously had a number of women directly involved in the fighting, not even getting into the enormous amount of logistics work cumann na bann did in the lead up and during the fighting.
Idk why countess Markievicz got super briefly name dropped in the first episode if that's literally all y'all were going to mention of her.