A amount of TMZ found in Iga’s at lowest level (probably 1 in billionth parts). If someone used it intentionally, then it should have been at highest level. In Iga’s case it came from contamination of Melatonin she used as medication purpose. People/ haters who don’t really understand this are blindly blaming Iga and posting harsh comments on her. Even 1 month suspension is too harsh since it’s not even Iga’s mistake or negligence in this case.
She does not deserve the hate but we would have liked more accountability from her. She made a mistake by not batch testing, using the WTA approved Melatonin or declaring she took this medication on her anti-doping forms but has in many ways paid the price losing the year end world No.1 ranking and her squeaky clean reputation.
@@tennisweeklypodcast Iga said what she said at the end of her speech, so it's not playing the victim, but expressing concerns. She didn't say she was sorry for it, and that's good, because when someone apologizes, they admit guilt. Iga proved her innocence beyond any doubt, which is proven by the 12-page report. Because she had so littleTMZ only got a month. She agreed to a month, which means she took the blame. And if she hadn't agreed, the case could have ended in six months, a year, and she wanted to find evidence of innocence as soon as possible. She provided strong evidence. The fact that TMZ was little indicated that the medicine was contaminated. And that's what turned out. They delivered the medicine intact and it was also contaminated, not only the personal medicine, but also the melatonin from the warehouse in Poland. Iga had 20 tests, before and after this test, and all came out good for the tennis player - another proof of innocence. The most important evidence - she did a hair test where everything is recorded for as long as possible and it turned out that it did not detect TMZ or any other doping. Some claim that she was flushing TMZ from her body, which is why she passed all the tests, but she did a test for flushing and it turned out that there were no traces in the body that she was flushing out. And as for the fact that she did not give melatonin right away, I understand why her explanation was accepted. In Poland, it is a drug that her doctor recommended, she has been taking it for years and there have never been any problems with it, there should be no such substance in melatonin. So if there have never been any problems with it, why should she not take it? And she did not write it down on the list, because it is not one of the 14 drugs and supplements that she takes, only occasionally when she has jet lag. So it is understandable that she could have forgotten about it and not written it down right away, and she probably has the rest of the 14 drugs and supplements written down. I don't want to believe that she has all the medications and supplements she takes in her mind, just written them down and just copies the list. It's no wonder she gave melatonin later because it's a medication she didn't expect could cause a problem. The only thing Iga is guilty of is naivety, but I understand why she couldn't have mentioned it right away because she didn't believe that the melatonin she's been taking for years could be contaminated. I hope that this taught her that she'll be taking melatonin from the list at tournaments and not the one bought in Poland. But after this situation, I'm not so sure that the melatonin available at the tournament won't be contaminated, because melatonin from Poland shouldn't be contaminated either. And there's no way Iga could check it personally if the melatonin is contaminated, she'd have to bring the entire lab with her. The manufacturer of this medicine in Poland issued a statement in which he expressed support for Iga and between the lines he basically admitted that the medicine could have been contaminated, but he emphasized that such a small dose of contamination is not harmful to health. This company is facing an inspection in the coming days. And there is no chance that Iga will win the case against them in court, because they have proof that such contamination is not harmful to health. And that is probably why Iga prefers to focus on tennis and not on fighting in court, because they have already announced that they will not sue.
@@tennisweeklypodcast if you look it up USANA melatonin is on the FDA High risk food product list. Just because they have a sponsor agreement with the WTA it doesn’t mean they are a safer product to use for athletes. The terms of their deal seem to promise protection to players in terms of financial assistance in case of a problem. Iga bought melatonin from a well-established Polish pharmaceutical company that follows strict guidelines from the EU, since it’s considered a OTC drug and not a supplement. Was she really negligent?
@@tennisweeklypodcastis it really negligent to choose to buy from a well-established manufacturer following the strict EU regulations on medication instead of using the one provided by the WTA which is on the FDA high risk food products list?
Also it wasn't a supplement, it was medication (in Iga's case) and Sinner took absolutely nothing, he didn't ingest anything, he didn't apply anything, the contamination was 2nd hand. And the 'story' you seem to object to was thoroughly investigated and tested. They didn't just accept ir. Guys, I'm done. Not sure why i even listened.
@michaeljoseph1341 I personally can't see how they can go for a long ban since he didn't actually take anything, but I don't know the basis of the appeal so who knows. I don't know what their argument is for what responsibility he should have for his team's negligence.
@@joannemoore3976 Ok, but even assuming wada proves negligence it can't be a long ban logically since the product didn't enter Sinner's body directly even cilic was just banned for 4 months for consuming banned substances inadvertantly i don't think Sinner's lawyers will be a mute spectator they will quote tons of cases and the very least avoid a long ban is what i feel .
He didn't explain it 'away', he explained it. The Team explained what happened, he himself didn't know until they came forward and identified the source which definitely had the substance in it so they didn't need to demonstrate it had it in it. Why are you so biased against Sinner? You may as well just say you think he is guilty and be done with it..of course there was negligence in his team but it wasn't HIS negligence - he was completely unaware that his trainer had it or his physio used it. That's why the verdict was no fault or negligence- be blooming fair for goodness sake!
We have never said we think he is guilty! Explain away is in reference to there was no evidence that could be tested in his case like the medication Iga took could be tested and found as the source.
@tennisweeklypodcast I am sorry but perhaps you are not aware of your tone and also the implied scepticism in the phrase 'explained away' as opposed to just 'explained', it is loaded phrase implying some kind of excuse. Also, as I pointed out, there was no need to test the product, precisely because the trainer KNEW what was in the spray and it was also marked- at least the outer packaging was. The crucial point is that Jannik did not know and had no way of knowing and did not ingest or apply anything himself- and this was thoroughly investigated and accepted by the ITIA and the Tribunal- it wasn't just 'explained away'.
@@joannemoore3976 you're right in both of your comment and funny part is that he was cleared with no fault no negligence, not one, not two but three time, but WADA seems that they want to use him as example, because to ask 2 years of suspension for something like that it's crazy and out of mind
Well, to me Sinner's case sounds way more dubious than Iga's. There had been several Clostebol doping cases in Italy, and Sinner's physical trainer was also a trained pharmacist who should know better than buying the physio a spray to treat a wound on his hand, knowing he does hands-on treatment on Jannik (aside from the fact that a steroid wouldn't be my first drug of choice to treat a cut on my finger...). The whole story sounds very much constructed in advance, knowing that Clostebol has a very short detection window and skin transmission will result in very low concentration. Now maybe those two wanted to gain a competitive edge and didn't tell him but it's still weird
@@al1976-v7m so if you were going to come up with a pre planned excuse would you seriously come up with something so convoluted? Also, I am tired of explaining this and maybe it's the fault of lazy reporting, but the trainer who bought the spray did not give massages- he was the physical trainer. By his own admission, he knew the spray contained clostobol but it was kept with his own personal effects. Apparently the spray is commonly used in Italy for healing cuts, burns and minor injuries. That doesn't excuse him giving it to the Physio to use on his cut because the Physio obviously was in close contact with Sinner's body. But it is an important distinction to make nonetheless- it was not the person in direct physical contact with Sinner who actually bought the spray- he should, of course, himself double checked. The physio had a bandage on his finger at Indian Wells so if this was set up in anticipation of a urine test the team must also have been able to see the future. Furthermore, your scenario requires both the trainer and physio to agree to take the wrap for the violation if caught and lose their jobs and never say a word of blame again Sinner. Finally, the ITIA thoroughly investigated the team's account through several interviews and scientific testing and probably are in a better position to judge the evidence. It is also relevant that WADA are not disputing how the contamination occurred or implying any intentionality- their appeal is against the Tribunal's application of no fault or negligence.
the wta new that iga was doping! they wanted her to be number 1 - the gamesmanship is very real and she isn’t the only one - watch her earlier matches and observe her constantly sniffing her wristbands -Sad but true!!!!
As a lab owner upgraded to new HPLC-MS/MS to drill down from PPM to PPB $500K. Increase sensitivity discovering minuscule amounts of contaminants. TMZ airborne particles, surface adhesion to machinery, resulting TMZ contaminates to other products. Iga's case: The precursory estimate on data of the concentration of TMZ is .00005 Parts Per Million. This would be equivalent to putting two eyedrops of red wine in an Olympic pool. (660,000 gallons) Does anybody think this would turn the water red? Does anybody think the amount would have any physiological benefits to Iga? Did her hair test positive? No. Did ITIA make contact with the manufacture? No. Does the manufacture of the melatonin produce TMZ? Yes. The redemption for Iga will be AI exonerating her in two years. Mark my words, the only person in this fiasco without egg on their face will be Iga
Ultimately she isn't being banned for the performance enhancing effects it's for not batch testing and not declaring the medication on her anti doping forms.
I believe that when she says „innocent” in her video she means she basically didn’t dope. She is guilty of some slight negligence as you pointed out. That’s why she was banned and she accepted the suspension.
Is because of people like you two that sinner is getting hated, I hope with all my heart that this story of sinner case is over, he will sue all this channels that promote false accusations, but for your luck is to kind to that and you will see that sinner would not be banned even one day, you will see. You are only haters on Sinner and I know that, deeply inside you hate him
You tell me what Sinner could have done differently? And he has never played the victim - he has simply answered questioned put to him 😡. Also Iga... how.was she supposed to know a medication she regularly took was contaminated? A doper in my book is someone who deliberately takes performance enhancing drugs.
Sinner maybe could have asked his physio to wash his hands or to wear gloves before giving massage as his physio had wounds. This is potentially one of the points wada may raise and it may end up against Sinner he could be banned but cas will be a bit lenient and ban him for 6 months as sinner didn't consume any substance .
@arvinds4961 he could possibly have checked he'd washed his hands, that's true. Apparently it's unusual for the physios to wear gloves as they cannot give as good a massage to the muscles- I am no expert on this but I have heard that said. Andy Roddick said he'd never had a massage with gloves. It's all down to what is reasonable to expect a player to do. I have a persistent thought, though I don't know the regulations well enough, that there might be some technicality around the fact of 2 positive tests that would make 'no fault or negligence' ineligible- though in this instance both were deemed to relate to the same period of contamination..I suppose we'll find.out at some point.
In Sinner's case it's a mistake on his team, so in a way it's his fault too. Let alone it's a just a word of his employee, who's taking the blame. Kinda shady - everybody (who can afford to have a team) could do that, by producing a convinient fall guy. It's a dangerous path. Did he even fired that physio or is he still on the team, like nothing happened? In Iga's case it's a bit paranoid to test everything, people really do that? Test whatever can be tested? Also considering that it's WTA - those are females with normal female biology, and they are expected to play all those tournments often regadless said biology, you just can't expect them to perform without taking something for pain alone. Just impossible, and cruel. And they shouldn't suffer jet lag after changing timezone if it can be helped. Those are modern times we live in, not medieval. With all those expectations towards players (mandatory tournments etc) I can't help but feel that they are treated like a well paid chattel with no personal life, only mounting pressure, harsh judgements and hateful comments. Females in particular. No wonder Barty retired at such a young age. No drugs, no supplements, tournment after tournment - and the first injury can end your carrier. But you should be vigilant about taking anything that can help your body avoid that or simply feel less sh*y bc it's hazardous. All a top athlete shoud be worried about is a potential injury and how to prevent it. And yet they even want to control colour of their underwear (as Wimbledon only recently allowed females to wear black undies, if they really have to, imagine that...).
For me they robbed Iga from no 1, maybe titles, points and money. She would have been no 1 for a lot more weeks, now and in 2025. Why do they suspend for this small amount?
Thank you for the analysis really good Im a massive Iga fan and for always explains why Saba is # 1 and probably the only reason so come on iga really first class work guys
That is the story yes but Sinner's professional team that he has the luxury of hiring are his responsibility and they knew better than to massage him with an open wound having used a spray labelled as doping.
The solution is don't take anything or batch test it. If you need to take medication or supplements you put yourself at risk. Bradley Wiggins took 'medication' for his 'asthma'. Medication is often a loophole for possible doping, because had Iga taken the US equivalent as a supplement the ban could and likely would have been more significant than taking the medication from Poland.
The only question I have is around the fact she supplied the contaminated medication to the ITIA during her provisional suspension. Were any other samples of this batch of medication obtained by the ITIA from other sources and tested for contamination? Otherwise a player could contaminate a medication after the fact to explain the presence of a banned substance...
Good question. Iga listed 14 things she was taking on her declaration form and not the Melatonin. When she appealed the suspension she had not found the source and the appeal was not upheld. The next day she produced the Melatonin as the source and it was tested and she was allowed to compete. How do players identify the source is the question. I imagine they do what they should have done before, batch test everything they take!
@@tennisweeklypodcast Yeah, agree that the top players should be batch testing everything they take. Call me cynical, but medication is such an obvious route to cover up doping, and any well resourced doping programme would easily be able to produce contaminated medication...
It’s all explained by ITIA (see point 30.11). ITIA tested both the container of Melatonin Iga was using and a sealed container from the same batch. The contamination was also inside pills - that’s why the contamination probably occurred during manufacturing of the pills.
Sinner didn't play the victim he told what's happened and they have video with the cut of physiotherapist, the receipt, the quantity found (0,00000001g) that support what he said, etc... and he was cleared with no fault no negligence, not one, not two but three time, before WADA appeal ((that for me wada will lose because to ask 2 years it's crazy if it was one month maybe they could win)) ...im saying this because your tone implied scepticism and that he used some kind of excuse
We have to be skeptical. Unfortunately we cannot ignore two positive tests with the same levels still in the system. There are inconsistencies that cannot be ignored but this does not mean he is guilty or deserves the ban. Sinner had to build a credible story and that story may or may not be factually accurate in order to avoid suspension and a ban. We will never know for certain.
@@tennisweeklypodcast as I said the quantity is so low ((the instruments detect up to 0.000000001 g)) that the only explanation is a contamination through the physiotherapist when working on his foots, then just use logic, why should a player like Sinner ruin his career for something that gave him zero advantage given the amount? then with Clostebol a healing agent, (in fact it used for heal cuts) that was used by athletes in East Germany in the 80s but to work it needs very high doses, when in today era there are much better substance, so in the end given the quantity, the substance found, it's so easy to assume what sinner said is the truth
@@tennisweeklypodcastyou are skeptical because you want to be. Three doctors established that it was contamination and the amount was so low that no performance enhancing could be possible. Plus only one of these three expert doctors knew who the athlete was. It was an unfortunate event, and having tennis podcasters casting those kind of doubts sounds just biases. You are at the same level of pavvyg or that kyrgios clown, they just are less hypocritical than you. Bye.
@@giovannidepetris6335 just Indian Wells, it's mandatory that they lose points and prize money from the tournament where the positive test happened or nearest tournament regardless of the outcome of the case.
Sorry, but what you are saying is ridiculous. Athletes don't have to test everything they put into their bodies, that would be completely unrealistic and fortunately anti-doping organisations don't require them to do so. Players need to behave sensibly - read labels carefully, avoid substances from uncertain sources, be cautious with substances whose production is not strictly regulated and controlled (such as supplements). They are allowed to take legal medicines (if they don't contain banned substances), bought from a pharmacy and produced according to strict EU regulations. Such drugs must be tested by the manufacturer. No authority expects athletes to re-test them, nor has anyone made such a claim against Iga. Such an expectation would be absurd and would only create more inequality. Iga can probably afford to test everything, and I wouldn't be surprised if she did after this experience. But the lower-ranked players could never afford it. Let's also imagine how damaging it would be to the environment if hundreds of thousands of athletes from different disciplines tested every substance, every drug, every food, every drink... How much unnecessary chemicals would they produce? Sustainability is already a huge issue in sport.
Many players have relationships with labs or national doping authorities who test their supplements for them as standard. We ware suggesting players should test everything they take but you cannot trust supplements blindly. Thanks for listening and taking the time to comment!
@@tennisweeklypodcast But that's the point, it was not a supplement, it was a medicine, that's a very important distinction and you keep confusing the two. Is it possible that you are not aware of the difference? There are different low regulations for supplements and medicines, they are treated differently - by the manufacturers and by the anti-doping organisations. I can imagine that players test their supplements - they are advised by the tennis authorities to be extra careful with them. But I find it very difficult to believe that most tennis players (or even just the top ones) test separately each package of medicines they take. Maybe I'm wrong, can you point me to the source of this information?
@@zox8513 No confusion. The same medicine Swiatek took is classified as a supplement in the United States and many other markets. They test the 'batch' not every supplement or pack of supplements. If you take medicine or supplements either way you have to disclose this to anti-doping and it was not listed by Siwatek.
You don’t have to think about it, just read about the facts. Everything, the amount of substance, her being tested very often, other pack of the medicine also being contaminated, hair tests, every test negative except this one, fact that the same company produces a medicine containing TMZ - everything proves Iga and even her whole team (usually someone from the team us responsible) is innocent, and the amount of the substance couldn’t have impacted her body
She explained she doesn’t have that melatonin on her supplement list, which she had prepared earlier, and she didn’t add it because she was very sleepy (she couldn’t sleep until 3:00, they woke up her about 7:00 after she took melatonin, so it’s understable. Maybe this is why she was suspended for 8 days even if she proved her innocence It doesn’t change anything because there are no tournaments now, but it’s the reason a lot of people say she’s a doper, because if she wasn’t she wouldn’t have been suspended after proving innocent
A amount of TMZ found in Iga’s at lowest level (probably 1 in billionth parts). If someone used it intentionally, then it should have been at highest level. In Iga’s case it came from contamination of Melatonin she used as medication purpose. People/ haters who don’t really understand this are blindly blaming Iga and posting harsh comments on her. Even 1 month suspension is too harsh since it’s not even Iga’s mistake or negligence in this case.
She does not deserve the hate but we would have liked more accountability from her. She made a mistake by not batch testing, using the WTA approved Melatonin or declaring she took this medication on her anti-doping forms but has in many ways paid the price losing the year end world No.1 ranking and her squeaky clean reputation.
@@tennisweeklypodcast Iga said what she said at the end of her speech, so it's not playing the victim, but expressing concerns. She didn't say she was sorry for it, and that's good, because when someone apologizes, they admit guilt. Iga proved her innocence beyond any doubt, which is proven by the 12-page report. Because she had so littleTMZ only got a month. She agreed to a month, which means she took the blame. And if she hadn't agreed, the case could have ended in six months, a year, and she wanted to find evidence of innocence as soon as possible.
She provided strong evidence. The fact that TMZ was little indicated that the medicine was contaminated. And that's what turned out. They delivered the medicine intact and it was also contaminated, not only the personal medicine, but also the melatonin from the warehouse in Poland. Iga had 20 tests, before and after this test, and all came out good for the tennis player - another proof of innocence. The most important evidence - she did a hair test where everything is recorded for as long as possible and it turned out that it did not detect TMZ or any other doping.
Some claim that she was flushing TMZ from her body, which is why she passed all the tests, but she did a test for flushing and it turned out that there were no traces in the body that she was flushing out. And as for the fact that she did not give melatonin right away, I understand why her explanation was accepted. In Poland, it is a drug that her doctor recommended, she has been taking it for years and there have never been any problems with it, there should be no such substance in melatonin. So if there have never been any problems with it, why should she not take it?
And she did not write it down on the list, because it is not one of the 14 drugs and supplements that she takes, only occasionally when she has jet lag. So it is understandable that she could have forgotten about it and not written it down right away, and she probably has the rest of the 14 drugs and supplements written down. I don't want to believe that she has all the medications and supplements she takes in her mind, just written them down and just copies the list. It's no wonder she gave melatonin later because it's a medication she didn't expect could cause a problem.
The only thing Iga is guilty of is naivety, but I understand why she couldn't have mentioned it right away because she didn't believe that the melatonin she's been taking for years could be contaminated. I hope that this taught her that she'll be taking melatonin from the list at tournaments and not the one bought in Poland. But after this situation, I'm not so sure that the melatonin available at the tournament won't be contaminated, because melatonin from Poland shouldn't be contaminated either. And there's no way Iga could check it personally if the melatonin is contaminated, she'd have to bring the entire lab with her.
The manufacturer of this medicine in Poland issued a statement in which he expressed support for Iga and between the lines he basically admitted that the medicine could have been contaminated, but he emphasized that such a small dose of contamination is not harmful to health. This company is facing an inspection in the coming days. And there is no chance that Iga will win the case against them in court, because they have proof that such contamination is not harmful to health. And that is probably why Iga prefers to focus on tennis and not on fighting in court, because they have already announced that they will not sue.
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@@tennisweeklypodcast if you look it up USANA melatonin is on the FDA High risk food product list. Just because they have a sponsor agreement with the WTA it doesn’t mean they are a safer product to use for athletes. The terms of their deal seem to promise protection to players in terms of financial assistance in case of a problem. Iga bought melatonin from a well-established Polish pharmaceutical company that follows strict guidelines from the EU, since it’s considered a OTC drug and not a supplement. Was she really negligent?
@@tennisweeklypodcastis it really negligent to choose to buy from a well-established manufacturer following the strict EU regulations on medication instead of using the one provided by the WTA which is on the FDA high risk food products list?
Also it wasn't a supplement, it was medication (in Iga's case) and Sinner took absolutely nothing, he didn't ingest anything, he didn't apply anything, the contamination was 2nd hand. And the 'story' you seem to object to was thoroughly investigated and tested. They didn't just accept ir. Guys, I'm done. Not sure why i even listened.
After Iga's verdict are you confident Sinner will be totally acquitted or get away with a 3 month ban or small ban .
@michaeljoseph1341 I personally can't see how they can go for a long ban since he didn't actually take anything, but I don't know the basis of the appeal so who knows. I don't know what their argument is for what responsibility he should have for his team's negligence.
@@joannemoore3976 Ok, but even assuming wada proves negligence it can't be a long ban logically since the product didn't enter Sinner's body directly even cilic was just banned for 4 months for consuming banned substances inadvertantly i don't think Sinner's lawyers will be a mute spectator they will quote tons of cases and the very least avoid a long ban is what i feel .
@michaeljoseph1341 well I hope so. Let's hope their request for 1-2 years is an opening gambit.
It's a supplement in the US and medication in Poland! Thanks for taking the time to comment!
He didn't explain it 'away', he explained it. The Team explained what happened, he himself didn't know until they came forward and identified the source which definitely had the substance in it so they didn't need to demonstrate it had it in it. Why are you so biased against Sinner? You may as well just say you think he is guilty and be done with it..of course there was negligence in his team but it wasn't HIS negligence - he was completely unaware that his trainer had it or his physio used it. That's why the verdict was no fault or negligence- be blooming fair for goodness sake!
We have never said we think he is guilty! Explain away is in reference to there was no evidence that could be tested in his case like the medication Iga took could be tested and found as the source.
@tennisweeklypodcast I am sorry but perhaps you are not aware of your tone and also the implied scepticism in the phrase 'explained away' as opposed to just 'explained', it is loaded phrase implying some kind of excuse. Also, as I pointed out, there was no need to test the product, precisely because the trainer KNEW what was in the spray and it was also marked- at least the outer packaging was. The crucial point is that Jannik did not know and had no way of knowing and did not ingest or apply anything himself- and this was thoroughly investigated and accepted by the ITIA and the Tribunal- it wasn't just 'explained away'.
@@joannemoore3976 you're right in both of your comment and funny part is that he was cleared with no fault no negligence, not one, not two but three time, but WADA seems that they want to use him as example, because to ask 2 years of suspension for something like that it's crazy and out of mind
Well, to me Sinner's case sounds way more dubious than Iga's. There had been several Clostebol doping cases in Italy, and Sinner's physical trainer was also a trained pharmacist who should know better than buying the physio a spray to treat a wound on his hand, knowing he does hands-on treatment on Jannik (aside from the fact that a steroid wouldn't be my first drug of choice to treat a cut on my finger...). The whole story sounds very much constructed in advance, knowing that Clostebol has a very short detection window and skin transmission will result in very low concentration. Now maybe those two wanted to gain a competitive edge and didn't tell him but it's still weird
@@al1976-v7m so if you were going to come up with a pre planned excuse would you seriously come up with something so convoluted? Also, I am tired of explaining this and maybe it's the fault of lazy reporting, but the trainer who bought the spray did not give massages- he was the physical trainer. By his own admission, he knew the spray contained clostobol but it was kept with his own personal effects. Apparently the spray is commonly used in Italy for healing cuts, burns and minor injuries. That doesn't excuse him giving it to the Physio to use on his cut because the Physio obviously was in close contact with Sinner's body. But it is an important distinction to make nonetheless- it was not the person in direct physical contact with Sinner who actually bought the spray- he should, of course, himself double checked. The physio had a bandage on his finger at Indian Wells so if this was set up in anticipation of a urine test the team must also have been able to see the future. Furthermore, your scenario requires both the trainer and physio to agree to take the wrap for the violation if caught and lose their jobs and never say a word of blame again Sinner. Finally, the ITIA thoroughly investigated the team's account through several interviews and scientific testing and probably are in a better position to judge the evidence. It is also relevant that WADA are not disputing how the contamination occurred or implying any intentionality- their appeal is against the Tribunal's application of no fault or negligence.
The anti-doping regime in pro sports, including tennis, is utterly broken.
It does seem that way.
the wta new that iga was doping! they wanted her to be number 1
- the gamesmanship is very real and she isn’t the only one
- watch her earlier matches and observe her constantly sniffing her wristbands
-Sad but true!!!!
As a lab owner upgraded to new HPLC-MS/MS to drill down from PPM to PPB $500K. Increase sensitivity discovering minuscule amounts of contaminants. TMZ airborne particles, surface adhesion to machinery, resulting TMZ contaminates to other products.
Iga's case: The precursory estimate on data of the concentration of TMZ is .00005 Parts Per Million. This would be equivalent to putting two eyedrops of red wine in an Olympic pool. (660,000 gallons) Does anybody think this would turn the water red? Does anybody think the amount would have any physiological benefits to Iga? Did her hair test positive? No. Did ITIA make contact with the manufacture? No. Does the manufacture of the melatonin produce TMZ? Yes. The redemption for Iga will be AI exonerating her in two years. Mark my words, the only person in this fiasco without egg on their face will be Iga
Ultimately she isn't being banned for the performance enhancing effects it's for not batch testing and not declaring the medication on her anti doping forms.
I believe that when she says „innocent” in her video she means she basically didn’t dope. She is guilty of some slight negligence as you pointed out. That’s why she was banned and she accepted the suspension.
Is because of people like you two that sinner is getting hated, I hope with all my heart that this story of sinner case is over, he will sue all this channels that promote false accusations, but for your luck is to kind to that and you will see that sinner would not be banned even one day, you will see. You are only haters on Sinner and I know that, deeply inside you hate him
We love to watch Jannik Sinner play tennis! Thanks for listening!
You tell me what Sinner could have done differently? And he has never played the victim - he has simply answered questioned put to him 😡. Also Iga... how.was she supposed to know a medication she regularly took was contaminated? A doper in my book is someone who deliberately takes performance enhancing drugs.
Sinner maybe could have asked his physio to wash his hands or to wear gloves before giving massage as his physio had wounds. This is potentially one of the points wada may raise and it may end up against Sinner he could be banned but cas will be a bit lenient and ban him for 6 months as sinner didn't consume any substance .
@@arvinds49616 months Will be a shame for that
@arvinds4961 he could possibly have checked he'd washed his hands, that's true. Apparently it's unusual for the physios to wear gloves as they cannot give as good a massage to the muscles- I am no expert on this but I have heard that said. Andy Roddick said he'd never had a massage with gloves. It's all down to what is reasonable to expect a player to do. I have a persistent thought, though I don't know the regulations well enough, that there might be some technicality around the fact of 2 positive tests that would make 'no fault or negligence' ineligible- though in this instance both were deemed to relate to the same period of contamination..I suppose we'll find.out at some point.
@@arvinds4961 6 months for sinner it's too much, if they want give him any suspension one month is enough, for me he shouldn't be suspended
In Sinner's case it's a mistake on his team, so in a way it's his fault too. Let alone it's a just a word of his employee, who's taking the blame. Kinda shady - everybody (who can afford to have a team) could do that, by producing a convinient fall guy. It's a dangerous path. Did he even fired that physio or is he still on the team, like nothing happened? In Iga's case it's a bit paranoid to test everything, people really do that? Test whatever can be tested? Also considering that it's WTA - those are females with normal female biology, and they are expected to play all those tournments often regadless said biology, you just can't expect them to perform without taking something for pain alone. Just impossible, and cruel. And they shouldn't suffer jet lag after changing timezone if it can be helped. Those are modern times we live in, not medieval. With all those expectations towards players (mandatory tournments etc) I can't help but feel that they are treated like a well paid chattel with no personal life, only mounting pressure, harsh judgements and hateful comments. Females in particular. No wonder Barty retired at such a young age. No drugs, no supplements, tournment after tournment - and the first injury can end your carrier. But you should be vigilant about taking anything that can help your body avoid that or simply feel less sh*y bc it's hazardous. All a top athlete shoud be worried about is a potential injury and how to prevent it. And yet they even want to control colour of their underwear (as Wimbledon only recently allowed females to wear black undies, if they really have to, imagine that...).
For me they robbed Iga from no 1, maybe titles, points and money.
She would have been no 1 for a lot more weeks, now and in 2025. Why do they suspend for this small amount?
We think it's because she didn't batch test and she didn't declare the medication on her anti-doping forms.
International Tennis Integrity Agency should be dissolved--=they are fools--
Anti doping needs an overhaul.
Thank you for the analysis really good Im a massive Iga fan and for always explains why Saba is # 1 and probably the only reason so come on iga really first class work guys
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These where similar dosage and circumstances like in case of Valieva (skater)
The solution should not be “athletes just shouldn’t take medication” like you suggest at the end. Melatonin is a medication in Poland
And getting a massage after playing or training is something all the players do. Sinner didn't even take any medication.
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@@user-jv9qz2bu1r Nobody's interested in your fantasies, silly.
That is the story yes but Sinner's professional team that he has the luxury of hiring are his responsibility and they knew better than to massage him with an open wound having used a spray labelled as doping.
The solution is don't take anything or batch test it. If you need to take medication or supplements you put yourself at risk. Bradley Wiggins took 'medication' for his 'asthma'. Medication is often a loophole for possible doping, because had Iga taken the US equivalent as a supplement the ban could and likely would have been more significant than taking the medication from Poland.
The only question I have is around the fact she supplied the contaminated medication to the ITIA during her provisional suspension. Were any other samples of this batch of medication obtained by the ITIA from other sources and tested for contamination? Otherwise a player could contaminate a medication after the fact to explain the presence of a banned substance...
Good question. Iga listed 14 things she was taking on her declaration form and not the Melatonin. When she appealed the suspension she had not found the source and the appeal was not upheld. The next day she produced the Melatonin as the source and it was tested and she was allowed to compete. How do players identify the source is the question. I imagine they do what they should have done before, batch test everything they take!
@@tennisweeklypodcast Yeah, agree that the top players should be batch testing everything they take. Call me cynical, but medication is such an obvious route to cover up doping, and any well resourced doping programme would easily be able to produce contaminated medication...
Yes, more than her personal meds were provided and tested.
It’s all explained by ITIA (see point 30.11). ITIA tested both the container of Melatonin Iga was using and a sealed container from the same batch. The contamination was also inside pills - that’s why the contamination probably occurred during manufacturing of the pills.
Sinner didn't play the victim he told what's happened and they have video with the cut of physiotherapist, the receipt, the quantity found (0,00000001g) that support what he said, etc... and he was cleared with no fault no negligence, not one, not two but three time, before WADA appeal ((that for me wada will lose because to ask 2 years it's crazy if it was one month maybe they could win)) ...im saying this because your tone implied scepticism and that he used some kind of excuse
We have to be skeptical. Unfortunately we cannot ignore two positive tests with the same levels still in the system. There are inconsistencies that cannot be ignored but this does not mean he is guilty or deserves the ban. Sinner had to build a credible story and that story may or may not be factually accurate in order to avoid suspension and a ban. We will never know for certain.
@@tennisweeklypodcast as I said the quantity is so low ((the instruments detect up to 0.000000001 g)) that the only explanation is a contamination through the physiotherapist when working on his foots, then just use logic, why should a player like Sinner ruin his career for something that gave him zero advantage given the amount? then with Clostebol a healing agent, (in fact it used for heal cuts) that was used by athletes in East Germany in the 80s but to work it needs very high doses, when in today era there are much better substance, so in the end given the quantity, the substance found, it's so easy to assume what sinner said is the truth
@@tennisweeklypodcastyou are skeptical because you want to be. Three doctors established that it was contamination and the amount was so low that no performance enhancing could be possible. Plus only one of these three expert doctors knew who the athlete was. It was an unfortunate event, and having tennis podcasters casting those kind of doubts sounds just biases. You are at the same level of pavvyg or that kyrgios clown, they just are less hypocritical than you. Bye.
Sinner paid : lost winning money of tournaments no?
Also he lost points
@@giovannidepetris6335 just Indian Wells, it's mandatory that they lose points and prize money from the tournament where the positive test happened or nearest tournament regardless of the outcome of the case.
Yes and points! The verdict is still pending regarding a ban.
Sorry, but what you are saying is ridiculous.
Athletes don't have to test everything they put into their bodies, that would be completely unrealistic and fortunately anti-doping organisations don't require them to do so.
Players need to behave sensibly - read labels carefully, avoid substances from uncertain sources, be cautious with substances whose production is not strictly regulated and controlled (such as supplements). They are allowed to take legal medicines (if they don't contain banned substances), bought from a pharmacy and produced according to strict EU regulations. Such drugs must be tested by the manufacturer. No authority expects athletes to re-test them, nor has anyone made such a claim against Iga.
Such an expectation would be absurd and would only create more inequality. Iga can probably afford to test everything, and I wouldn't be surprised if she did after this experience. But the lower-ranked players could never afford it. Let's also imagine how damaging it would be to the environment if hundreds of thousands of athletes from different disciplines tested every substance, every drug, every food, every drink... How much unnecessary chemicals would they produce? Sustainability is already a huge issue in sport.
Many players have relationships with labs or national doping authorities who test their supplements for them as standard. We ware suggesting players should test everything they take but you cannot trust supplements blindly. Thanks for listening and taking the time to comment!
@@tennisweeklypodcast But that's the point, it was not a supplement, it was a medicine, that's a very important distinction and you keep confusing the two. Is it possible that you are not aware of the difference?
There are different low regulations for supplements and medicines, they are treated differently - by the manufacturers and by the anti-doping organisations.
I can imagine that players test their supplements - they are advised by the tennis authorities to be extra careful with them. But I find it very difficult to believe that most tennis players (or even just the top ones) test separately each package of medicines they take. Maybe I'm wrong, can you point me to the source of this information?
@@zox8513 No confusion. The same medicine Swiatek took is classified as a supplement in the United States and many other markets. They test the 'batch' not every supplement or pack of supplements. If you take medicine or supplements either way you have to disclose this to anti-doping and it was not listed by Siwatek.
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You don’t have to think about it, just read about the facts. Everything, the amount of substance, her being tested very often, other pack of the medicine also being contaminated, hair tests, every test negative except this one, fact that the same company produces a medicine containing TMZ - everything proves Iga and even her whole team (usually someone from the team us responsible) is innocent, and the amount of the substance couldn’t have impacted her body
That's exactly what we say in the video. We just question not disclosing taking the medication and also not batch testing the medication herself.
@ i wasn’t referring to you, but to people overall
I think no player tests every supplement and medicine
She explained she doesn’t have that melatonin on her supplement list, which she had prepared earlier, and she didn’t add it because she was very sleepy (she couldn’t sleep until 3:00, they woke up her about 7:00 after she took melatonin, so it’s understable. Maybe this is why she was suspended for 8 days even if she proved her innocence
It doesn’t change anything because there are no tournaments now, but it’s the reason a lot of people say she’s a doper, because if she wasn’t she wouldn’t have been suspended after proving innocent