Destiny talks to ex-intelligence officer Phil Gurski on the clusterfk of Afghanistan, Taliban and ISIS, terror attacks and more... More from Phil Gurski here ►th-cam.com/channels/PkaRxmd1Uo4A9lkZN4F9RQ.htmlvideos
It’s so surreal listening to Destiny talk to someone who actually knows what they’re talking about… it’s refreshing. I hope he finds more people like this.
@@philgurski5265 also Phil, why India is keen on Kashmir is also about water security. A lot of glacial fed rivers originate from Kashmir and the Himalayas. Otherwise, good analysis
I love these videos with Phil, its sad that they usually only happen when there's some tragedy out there in the world, but its so insightful getting his opinion and explanation on how and why these things are occurring. Great to hear from you again Phil!
Oh shit! I'm actually really happy to see Phil on this channel, I first got into this on his reaction to Six Days in Fallujah of all things, and I've learned a lot from his videos since.
Regarding NZ, yes the problem the judge raised was that the prosecution couldn’t describe specific enough details about the planned attack. Intelligence was listened to and government did everything possible to keep him in jail and followed him everywhere when they couldn’t
That’s the negative side of being a democracy with things like individual rights and such. It’s always a trade off between increasing security or increasing freedom. The right balance has to be struck and it’s often hard to find that.
@@Fjaloeat1 Yeah i honestly dont know the answer. Should the goverment be able to jail someone indefinitely because they speak vaguely about attacking ppl and the goverment believes they might follow through on it at some point in the future? I really dont know, hopefully far smarter ppl than me are making these decisions about any possible law change.
I feel somewhat obligated to say that Alexander the III (The Great ca. 336-323 BC) conquered what today is Afghanistan. He didn't die there. His troops refused to go further than India after India was conquered. Alexander died of an unknown illness in Babylon, where he ruled from as king.
@@Yuvraj. You're right. I should have been more precise in saying it wasn't the whole subcontinent of India. As things are in history, it's complicated. He conquered much of the Indus Valley, up to the Punjab, but never went into mainland India. It was what the Greeks would have considered India, as back then they had very little information about the entire subcontinent of India. It's still a pretty hotly debated topic, because Greek historians likely exaggerated much of it, either through ignorance or for propaganda or both. The Macedonian empire was pretty much out of India after Alexander's death. The Battle of Hydaspes against King Porus was probably the final nail for the soldiers. Porus was a total badass! Again I should have been more precise in saying he conquered India, that wasn't an accurate nor fair thing to say. I would recommend doing further research to anyone interested in the topic. It is fascinating, as the Greeks were very interested in India, which was an almost mythical land with giant ants the size of cats that dug up gold from the ground (among many other beliefs they had about India). Read Herodotus' "Histories" and you'll understand what I'm talking about. Alexander was a very complicated character in world history. In fact, if I could choose to have dinner with anyone that ever lived, he would be at, or near the top of the list.
interesting, we had a similar attack in germany mb a few weeks ago, but with actual fatalities. the guy attacked women that didnt cover up and people trying to stop him. wonder if theres some sort of online glorification in fucked circles that inspired this.
@@Nightknight1992 whenever there is anything, and I mean anything, you will always have weirdos on the internet that talk about violence. Unfortunately some act but thankfully it’s very very few.
Every video I see with Phil Gurski is an insta click for me. I very much enjoy every video he is in and I hope destiny and him can keep doing discussions like this
@@philgurski5265 Do you have a breakdown of that 98% of "terrorism" being "jihadist" by region? Is that still the case internationally, because it definitely isn't domestically in the US afaik.
I feel like I learned something. @Destiny is a surprisingly good listener. He often listened to Phil without inserting himself in to the pauses in Phil's stream of consciousness eliciting a lot of info that might have been a lot more convoluted if this was a debate(like a lot of @Destiny's other content). This flavour of content(information gathering) makes his opinions hit that much more heavily when looking back on his debates.
Lol @ all the people in the comments complaining that Phil isn't in the field anymore and that he's retired. Guess what- if he wasn't retired he would NOT be talking to Destiny on TH-cam. Your ideal guest doesn't exist.
I don't agree that trying to export democracy never works. it works a THOUSAND time in the past. Only because it failed in Iraq and Afghanistan and Vietnam....people assume "it doesnt work". Half of Europe was created by US tanks EXPORTING democracy. I'm European. I live in an ex dictatorship. without US tanks, my country would still be a third world, feudalistic-fascist territory. I think there's a BIG confirmation bias when talking about the Middle East. People watch the END RESULT of the war and forget that BEFORE the war, no one knows how it will end. People are naive and assume that the "good guys" will always win, that's not the case.
I hope Destiny has this guy on again, I dont know if he'd be able to talk about it but it would be really interesting to hear some stories from his time in Intelligence.
I feel like "mass shooting" should take on the same definition of "mass casualty". "A mass casualty incident describes an incident in which emergency medical services resources, such as personnel and equipment, are overwhelmed by the number and severity of casualties." To me a mass shooting is just a sub category of mass casualty. This also allows the definition to be flexible to the territory it falls into. I have 3 trauma centers within 20 minutes of me. 4 gun shot victims here is substantially different from rural Kansas where you may have 1 trauma center within an hour.
I mean yes. Like a natural disaster for example is a mass casualty event, but with that being said, a mass shooting is also a mass casualty event, it falls under both categories. What’s more annoying is like how destiny brought up gang shootings are considered mass shootings. The definition of a mass shooting, is any shooting where three or more people are shot, and that includes the shooter and the cops So for example, if I shoot and kill someone, then shoot at a cop, or a bullet ricochets and hits a bystander, and then I get shot by the cops, that is classified as a mass shooting. Mass shootings to me is like the Vegas country music festival shooting, or the one recently in California. But gang shootings are usually classified as mass shootings because it involves more then 3 people usually. That annoys me more, because then the media uses that to trump up how many there are a year, and most normal people are thinking school shootings or stuff like Vegas as what a mass shooting is, and then they hear that there’s like 180 in the us in one year, but it’s really only like 12 that are like school shootings or the Vegas shooting. So there’s a major discrepancy in how many there really are And don’t get me wrong, 12 is too many, even one is too many. I just hate the media using the definition to miss lead the public to cause fear and outrage by using so many. Which like I said even 1 is to many, so 12 is more then enough to tell the truth about without using 180… it’s just not necessary and to me disrespectful to all the victims of real mass shootings.
@@crowned2088 Can I ask a small favour? Please, please, PLEASE don't compare me to the likes of Alex Jones. I may not be someone you like to listen to but I don't think I deserve that
@1:40 when everyone was saying that the ANA would last 6 months, what incentive does that give the ANA to hold out for 6 months? Like if everyone is saying you will loose the war in half a year anyways, why risk your life for what was openly considered a lost cause?
So after doing a lot of research on what is considered a "mass shooting" I was left with an irritating answer - There is no agreed upon definition of what a mass shooting is. Most people think (and even Destiny said it in this clip) that it's 4 or more people shot as per the FBI. The problem is the FBI doesn't actually have a definition for a mass shooting. All the have is the definition for a mass KILLING which involves 4 or more people. Those killings can use any weapon, no weapon, or a mixture of weapons. The FBI doesn't differentiate and there's no such thing as a 'mass shooting' according to the FBI. So you go onto other groups, including action groups and media groups for their definitions. It only gets more complicated doing that because they're all different. Some people use the definition that involves 3 people shot other than the perpetrator. Some use four plus the perpetrator. Some definitions don't count the number shot but rather the number shot and killed using the 3 and 4 numbers. Some people include the total death counts even if another weapon other than a gun was used in the process of a shooting (killing someone with a car or knife and then shooting 2 people). Some media companies even include asinine situations where someone with a fucking BB gun for 3 or 4 people as a "mass shooting." So in discussions we really like to define our terms, and in the case of mass shootings many sides are speaking their own language. You also have groups that make the definitions broad on purpose so that they can write headlines like, "300 mass shootings a year!" even when most people wouldn't consider a lot of those instances mass shootings. It's the same tactic they use when they say, "Gun violence kills over 30,000 people a year!" while leaving out the fact that over 60% of those are suicides. They hide that in the term "gun violence" in an attempt to make it sound like all 30k are homicides. When I think of a mass shooting what I generally think of is more along the lines of a public, often times random, mass casualty event involving one or more shooters. What I don't usually think about when someone says "mass shooting" is a drive by shooting in the ghetto during a party where 4 or 5 people got shot and no one dies. Or the same party where a shootout occurs between two sets of people and a number of people are shot.
Destiny is on point in rebutting the graveyard of empires thing. Afghanistan was conquered by the greeks, the Mauryas, the Mughals, the Sikhs and several others. It is much harder to move into Pakistan from Afghanistan than to move into Afghanistan from the west.
To be fair, whilst the Greeks did conquered and occupied Afghanistan, holding it and keeping under Greek influence was a bit difficult, but I 100% agree with rhe others. It's always so annoying to see people make these broad appeals to history when they don't actually know the region they are talking about.
The graveyard of empires only applies to modern history. Typically British, soviets, and the US; all of these were failures. The examples you listed are literally over a thousand+ years ago. "Afghanistan" wasn't even a thing back there.
@@philgurski5265 i believe there's a popular internet guy named anomaly and his father is called papanomaly as a portmanteau, you two probably look similar.
Kashmir will likely become one of the larger/only sources of fresh water in that region. Chinia and India are aware of this, this is why they've had stand offs. The unification aspect is to gain support from the people. Modi going kinda Hitlerish out here. Even gots his own SS.
I wouldn't say it is hitlerish, and genocide is barely a thing. There can be usage of undemocratic practices but the goal is not removal of any people, rather to remove the nexus or network that promoted terorism. This is why due to lack of guns and shit there were drone attacks a month ago or two. And ofc Kashmir pundits who were driven out need to come back top
I’ve some of Destiny’s takes on Afghanistan but there is one question that I have that I have not seen him answer. Do any kind of research on Afghanistan is fairly hard and time intensive, and I’m very busy and don’t have too much time to do research. So here’s the question: it seems to me that Biden could have first decided to evacuate the US civilians that were in Afghanistan, and then after that evacuate the US military. But it seems like he did the opposite. It seems to me like he evacuated most of the military first and then had to backtrack to evacuate the civilians after the Taliban took over. It seems to me like even if you did think the ANA would last longer, it would still make no sense to take the military out first. Like why even leave it up to chance that the Taliban takes over in a week instead of just evacuating civilians first? Could anyone offer me their response to this, or tell me what Destiny’s is if they know where to find it? Or am I misunderstanding some crucial facts of the situation?
An organized evacuation of US civillians would've caused the ANA to collapse anyway, because it would've tipped them, and the Taliban off that a US military pullout was eminent. It's possible that it may have gone smoother, given that the Taliban have been averse to attacking US Troops, but the result would have been similar.
@@josecanseco1083 True but wouldn’t the US military have still been there to prevent Kabul from falling as quickly, or to at least provide greater protection to American civilians than the small force that was sent to the airport? Like it just feels backwards to me. Why send the military out first and then the civilians, as opposed to the other way around? If it truly doesn’t make a difference whether you start with soldiers or civilians, wouldn’t you want the civilians to get out first with a large military presence than for most of the military to get out and then the civilians get out with a much smaller military presence protecting them?
I don't know why people bring up Alexander the Great when talking about Afghanistan... He didn't die there, he died in Babylon (which is located in modern-day Iraq)... He DID fight some difficult battles there, but he didn't personally lose any of the battles (or any of his other battles really) and ultimately the whole thing ended when the enemy commander was betrayed and Alexander banged his daughter... So he arguably didn't conquer it (depending on how you define 'conquer'), but he didn't really need to and it's possible he could've... Sometimes people talk about how impossible it'd be for him to conquer India and it's like, yeah, but also it kinda seemed like an impossible task for him to conquer Persia too yet he did... And I don't think Afghanistan would've been as difficult as India... Anyway, he didn't die in Afghanistan, both he an Genghis Khan were able to seize control of it in a way...
Former 98C here.I disagree with him on when we could have gotten out. We should have started a 2 year withdraw of US forces back in 2012 (leaving in 2014) when the terrorist groups were st their weakest. Highly doubtful we would have though. It would have been political suicide at the time.
Honestly, it kinda bugs me that all through the Trump administration Destiny said " I don't care about Obama. Trump is President, what happens is on him," and now it's always " Well what could Biden do? Trump negotiated a pullout already." He's normally pretty consistent, so this just seems odd.
I think there's more context. Biden has been in power for a little over half a year and the Afghanistan withdrawal had already been negotiated. After four years of holding the white house, Republicans were blaming Obama when it came to how Trump's administration handled the Coronavirus outbreak which was an unplanned event.
@@olinkirkland If I remember right Destiny was saying that the old administrations didn't matter even before COVID, like when people were talking about trade deals or the economy. I thought it was a principle of his that the buck stopped with the current President, not past ones. I guess I won't know for sure till a few years pass to see if his rhetoric changes.
India wants Kashmir because of they give it to Pakistan or an independent Kashmir that's pro Pakistan they could dam up the sources of a lot of India's rivers, and obviously India wants to potentially dam the rivers that flow into Pakistan from Kashmir. The rivers in Kashmir also have great potential for hydro power cause of their elevation.
Yes, accurate. There are many geopolitical interests. Kashmiri pundits and all exists, and I am sympathetic to them but I think it is more of to not let pakistan and China have control over independent Kashmir that will probably be pro pakistan or a pakistani Kashmir.
I have a question for Destiny. What would it take for him to consider it a “coup”? Because from what I was able to gather, it seems the only criteria for him is how successful, damaging, or organized it was. Then he references Myanmar, which was a “military coup”. Naturally, a military coup is going to be more organized, they’ll have tanks, they’ll do more damage, and they’ll arguably have a higher chance at success, but if that’s what is required for something to be a coup, then there is no such thing as a coup, that isn’t a military coup. The fact still remains, they had a clear leader, with arguably clear orders, “March down to the capital”, “fight to take your country back”. Someone had a car full of explosives, someone else planted two pipe bombs at the RNC and the DNC. They assaulted multiple officers, knowing they where the only thing between the mob and congress. They pressed on anyway, broke into the capital, and with countless video recordings, openly discussed violence toward our democratically elected officials. How many men in tactical gear does it take for him to consider it organized enough for it to be a coup? Six? Ten? Twenty? One hundred? They brought zip ties, for what? They’re little get together? I’m not buying it for a second. They had a noose outside (which I know wouldn’t have worked for it’s intended purpose, but the implication is still very real, and present). And finally I’d argue the ONLY reason they weren’t more successful, and damaging, is because of the trained personnel and secret service, saw it for what it was, a threat to our democracy and those who are elected to represent it, and thankfully evacuated the building. I know, without a shred of doubt, that if they hadn’t been fast enough or didn’t evacuate at all, MANY people would’ve died, whether its our elected officials, or police and secret service being my forced to kill more than just one person, more would’ve died, period. And so I ask, is that what it takes? Honestly the fact that a secret service member had to kill even ONE person due to their proximity and threat to our elected officials, is enough for me to comfortably say, this was NOT a “frat party gone wrong” or even a “protest turned riot”. It was an attempted coup and an insurrection. For someone like Destiny, who is usually very clear with his language, seems to be loosely gesturing toward and idea of what a coup is when it comes to mind, while not clarifying AT ALL, what it takes to actually be one. The actual definition of a coup is “the seizure and removal of a government and its powers. Typically, it is an illegal, unconstitutional seizure of power by a political faction, the military, or a dictator.” Everyone there was politically aligned, and would’ve removed congresses power to ratify the election in a heartbeat and instilled an non democratically elected, individual. That fits the definition in my opinion.
If normal objective people concede this, then BLM, Antifa or even trans activists are terrorists and insurrectionists, I've seen SOME of their Twitter feeds and the riots. Be careful what you wish for pal
It seems like Destiny changed his opinion about Jan 6th because I'm pretty sure a few months ago he was talking about it being a coup, or at the very least considering it way more severe, but regardless, a lot of people there were far right and owned guns, so they 100% had the power to wreak havoc but they obviously didn't want to shoot people since then it'd actually be terrorism and a coup at that point. They weren't being violent, and what I mean by violent is shooting people to death, it was more so the level of violence you'd see at a blm riot.
@@benrelaxedguy sorry but that’s not even close, no BLM, Antifa, or trans right activists, as far as I’m aware, have ever posed a real threat to elected members of congress and I’m sorry but Twitter feeds aren’t the same as actually showing up and doing it. Those riots weren’t to overturn the results of an election or to instill a new form of government. You’re taking massive logical leaps here. But hey if they did try to overturn an election I’d call it what it is.
@@TotalNonsense_ do you think they were going to install a new government before or after they shat on Pelosis desk? And why set the standard as members of Congress? I've seen Antifa attack city hall, where the elected mayor serves. You think they were there to give him a kiss? BLM protests were at the Capitol a few months prior, kicking inngates and Trump was forced to go into his underground bunker, after a summer of violent riots. You're not being rational mate, you're being partisan. The Capitol was a bunch of idiots whipped up by an even bigger idiot doing stupid shit. They weren't there to overthrow and install a new government, you've just been mindfucked into cheering for your team the same way they were.
He talks about it in the VOD right after this talk, his main factor was how organized the event is, effectivness or damage didn't seem to play much of role if any. He agrees Trump encouraged it heavily and is morally absolutely at fault, just not legally because it would cause more damage down the road in terms of what a President can or cannot say. Since the FBI report said that at best only about 5% of the riot was somewhat organized (and even that's split between different groups that didn't always cooperate), he together with most experts considers it simply a riot.
The research king couldn’t google Kashmir Conflict? And Partition and the sensitivities it engendered about any potential changes to the border and subsequent violence and population exchanges?
you gotta bring some guys from SEA to really understand whats going there. There is a lot of assumptions and ignorance. Bring some guy from India and you will understand everything.
My understanding is that Jan. 6th was an insurrection in the sense that protesters-turned-rioters used force against Capitol Police to stop an official national legal proceeding by which states confirm the President. The term “insurrection,” albeit attempted, fits my understanding. And I do not accept terms like “coup” or “terrorism” to describe Jan. 6th.
If the riots last year weren't an insurrection, then Jan 6 isnt. Frankly the weird obsession lefties have with it is way out of proportion compared to how actual rioting, looting, arson, murder, ripping down of public monuments, attacks on elected officials and threats to "storm" the White House are still treated like they didnt happen (or were mostly peaceful) by the same people. Some dumb hicks running around the capitol for 3 hours, causing minor damage, with one getting shot by the Capitol police, STILL being some "major" thing we need to ruminate over is cringe AF in light of a lot of other stuff.
@@WillmobilePlus Lefties didn't interrupt a democratic process that confirms the president, and those 'dumb hicks' would have killed lawmakers if they got their hands on them. They were chanting everything from 'kill them' to 'hang Mike Pence'. If what some lefties said they 'would do' counts, it does with righties too. That's the difference. It's also hilarious that you would imply that there's any apology for riots engaged in when leaving a comment on the dude's channel who was banned for saying 'mow them down' and has routinely expressed his firm belief that you have the absolute right to shoot and kill any person who comes after your private property. Do you even watch Destiny, or do you just lurk in comment sections of lefty channels or something?
@@arabiannights5301 >those 'dumb hicks' would have killed lawmakers if they got their hands on them. With what? Everything I've read and seen said they were all unarmed. On the other hand plenty of Antifa and BLM guys were armed and did actually kill people, as well as torch property, loot, vandalize.. But "OMG they may have killed someone...maybe, IDK" > Actual killing. Those rubes didnt have any idea what they were going to do, and no means to do so. That is why the only thing they did was make a mess and fools of themselves. The only difference between these is one you will apologize for....because you kinda like their aims. It's not a hard thing to say. >It's also hilarious that you would imply that there's any apology for riots engaged in when leaving a comment on the dude's channel who was banned for saying 'mow them down' Who the h3ll is talking about Destiny? The fact that he was BANNED and is still hounded by lefties for those views literally shows you that they STILL dont own up to them >Do you even watch Destiny, or do you just lurk in comment sections of lefty channels No, man. This is totally my first time EVER SEEING THIS CHANNEL EVEAH! Like what a r3tarded question.
@@WillmobilePlus With what? Everything I've read and seen said they were all unarmed." Oh right, I forgot that there wasn't a cop that got beaten to death by the capitol rioters. It's almost as though it's possible to bludgeon somebody with inanimate objects like fire extinguishers... No, that's crazy. And I'm the one in denial? Are you f*cking serious? What if a gang of men came to your house right now, *unarmed*, surrounded you and started beating on you. Then kept beating. Then kicking when you fell to the ground. Then kept kicking. Give it a few minutes, and voila! You would be dead. Magical, I know. "The only difference between these is one you will apologize for....because you kinda like their aims. It's not a hard thing to say." True, it's not a hard thing to say. I'm just not customarily in the business of lying. I'm not a communist, socialist or a revolutionary. I don't support abolishing the police, and I heavily support private property. I also support defending that property with unconditional force, regardless of the politics of the assailant. I do support peaceful BLM protests, but that's not what we're talking about. "Who the h3ll is talking about Destiny?" You left a comment on his channel and started talking about 'lefties'. I've seen quite a few right-wingers (not sure if you are one) do the same, without having a clue what he or any of his supporters believe. Maybe take a step back and acknowledge the context of your comment before you blow a blood vessel? "The fact that he was BANNED and is still hounded by lefties for those views literally shows you that they STILL dont own up to them" I don't disagree at all. The online left is predominately disgusting and in favor of violence for their own political purposes, while pretending to hate it when the right does it. "No, man. This is totally my first time EVER SEEING THIS CHANNEL EVEAH! Like what a r3tarded question." Last time I got into an argument with a dude in a Destiny comment section it was a neo-nazi talking about how Destiny argues like a Jew, so forgive me if I don't automatically assume that every TH-cam lurker is appropriately caught up on the channel. Ever heard of hate watchers and trolls?
Why is Destiny so cold at the end of conversations, I hardly ever see him expressing that he had a good time talking to someone or that he appreciates someone coming to chat
he has autism man. I work with kids who have it and some people on the spectrum are just like that. people mistake them for being sociopaths but its not the case.
@@philgurski5265 For sure, it's definitely nothing against you. He does it with everyone. And I think you guys's conversations are one of the most interesting and civil. I am not complaining though, I just find it a bit weird, and I know it's just probably how he is as a person.
18:20 I dont like this argument, because you can challenge it quite easily by pointing to Japan and South Korea, who had no history of western style liberal democracies yet evolved that way post ww2 after western occupation I really like this guy though, its really refreshing to hear someone who have intelligent takes on world issues as opposed to the morons Destiny talks to most of the time :)
Japan absolutely did have elements of western-style values before WW2 that had developed over the previous century, and Korea was a part of Japan while those ideas developed. They even went through a very similar path as Germany and other European countries in the inter-war period, going from a relatively liberal and democratic system of government in the Taisho period to a more fascist-style government in response to economic issues, social movements and growing communist power. I think geography and lack of unity probably played a bigger role in why Afghanistan was so ungovernable, but the example of Japan still fits his hypothesis.
@Fuck TH-cam He was talking about traditions for western style liberal democracies. Now as a scholar on Japan, would you classify Japan in 1945 as a country that had a long tradition for western style liberal democracy? Korea is a far better example, since they were in a far worse position.. Saying Korea was developed in 1945 is something i have trouble understanding. By what metric would you say that Korea was a developed nation in 1945?
@Fuck TH-cam Well, in the timestamp i posted and in my comment, the gentleman in the video were talking about traditions for western style liberal democracies, and the notion that an outside power can come and change the political system of a country. You change the topic to development since you know for a fact that Japan had no such traditions in place before the occupation... Japan did not have a similar system to that of the united states, if you wanted a comparison then a closer example would be imperial germany, but the differences were still wast. The comparison to the United states i really cannot understand. And you can not in any way say the same thing about Korea, which also was a success story in terms of nation building, so your argument holds no merit since it is not the case for both examples
@Fuck TH-cam The japanese were not free to adopt any political system they wanted during the US occupation of Japan. If you think that you are living in a fantasy world. They had an emperor mate, you really need to brush up on japanese history if you think that Japan was a democracy before 1945. They did have a legislative assembly, but it was not legitimized by an electoral process, which is fundamental when using the term democracy. No one in their right mind would call Japan a constitutional monarchy. By that definition Imperial Germany was a constitutional monarchy, which it was not, you are using terms that are not applicable at all. As for your rambling about inventing nations, there must be a 3rd person in this conversation because i would never make such a ludacris claim.. You cannot invent a nation, but you can BUILD a nation. Nationbuilding is not the same as "nation creation" or inventing nations... Again, you are dodging Korea.. You only want to talk about Japan, but you have nothing to say when it comes to Korea
@Fuck TH-cam what occupation? The US occupation of Japan and Korea. I know you want to talk about the meiji restoration, but i am talking about the occupation of Japan post WW2 buddy... You can read about it here if you are curious to learn buddy en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occupation_of_Japan Its not a democracy if the people dont vote on their legislative assembly... And its not a democracy if power is in the hands of an unelected emperor I know its hard to understand buddy, but you have no idea what a democracy is.. Finally you want to talk about Korea :) Korea wasnt purely a dictatorship, they went through alternating periods of democratic governments and autocratic takeovers, considering their current state and the increase of living conditions south korea has been a huge success in modern nation building You think the west has no part in that success? Well, if the west had not protected south korean independence they would either still be a part of the Japanese empire, or they would be part of North Korea, and subject to China. I know you hate america buddy, and thats fine, alot of people like you hate the US. But as a Norwegian i have no bone in that fight. The United Nations sent troops to Korea so i am happy we played a part in securing their freedom from autocratic forces in North Korea and China. Considering they have had a very stable liberal democracy since before i was born i consider it a success story For your information, the US did not bomb Korea into the stone age. I know you need to study history a bit better, but lieing does not help your case when you talk to someone who actually knows what you are pretending to know something about buddy
I respect his experience as an analyst but neither really know anything about the indian situation or history, id say its far more clear cut that other disputes tbh. please read up
Good convo. More of this destiny. As a Canuck, it's cool you have Canucks on to discuss shit, besides Lauren Southern (whom I think knows her shit, why the breadtubers hate her).
This is genuinely so interesting to watch. I want to be a world history major when I finally get around to going to college, and discussions like this I think help alot to give me at least a cursory level understanding of American/American aligned foreign affairs.
Kiwi here. Here's some additional details about the attack we had here that I have gathered from local news here. (Haven't payed all that much attention to it tbqh) He arrived in 2011 seaking refugee status claiming he'd been mistreated for being a Tamil Muslim in Sri Lanka. In 2012 his application was denied but he went on to appeal to the Immigration and Protection Tribunal which turned over the denial in 2013 and he was granted refugee status. Key thing to note is that once refugee status has been granted here in NZ, it's very hard to revoke. This is a big part of where the problem with this situation lies and most people seem to want this changed now. In 2016 he came on to the police's radar after expressing sympathy over terrorists attacks on Facebook. Further investigations launched at this time concluded he had lied/forged documents for his refugee application. In 2019 his refugee status was cancelled (can't say I'm too familiar with this whole process but it seems to most people that 3 years is a long time to get to this point.) At this point the deportation process began but he was able to appeal to stay which delayed the process. Law states that someone can't be kept in jail during this process either (another thing people seem to want changed) and so he was put on 24 hour surveillance. Fast forward to present day and I would have to guess that this process was coming to a close and he decided to commit an act of terrorism as a final fuck you. This is one of those hard to solve problems. Simply putting anyone who is the process of being deported in jail seems like a simple fix that would have probably prevented this from happening but if the process takes as long as it appears to this may lead to logistical issues alongside possible violations of rights. I'm mildly interested to see what kneejerk reaction the government here comes up with this time.
I find it funny when people think buddhists are peaceful because they heard of monks. Buddhist monks are allowed to use violence and buddhists who arent monks will use just as much violence as anyone for whatever end. Nowadays, we think of Tibet as some utopia with the Dalai lama that was oppressed by China but in the past it was a kingdom with many warriors. Some of the most fiercest warriors: Mongols, Samurai, even Afghans before Islam; were all buddhist
That's why I think Sam Harris' take that some religion are more violent than others is bs. There are always a reason to be violent regardless of your religion.
@@bananian I think Sam Harris is ignoring the fact that the 7 big religions of today: Islam, Christianity, Buddhism, Shintoism, Hinduism, Sikhism, and Judaism; were all founded in feudal kingdoms. Religion offers a code of conduct that is a basis of law for a ruler and the ideological reason for it. For example, in Christianity, man must repent for disobedience to God because God died for this. In Islam, man must not sin because he is living a test that will reveal to himself if hes worthy to live in paradise. And buddhism and hinduism have their own thing. The code of conduct, be it sharia or be it bushido, or all different, but they arent always arbitrary. Some, like the emphasis in Islam of martyrdom in battle, were meant to make muslim men and boys courageous enough to fight fiercely in battle instead of fleeing. In christianity, martyrdom for faith was extremely important as it was necessary in a polytheistic Roman Empire that was willing to blame Christians for whatever
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Destiny talks to ex-intelligence officer Phil Gurski on the clusterfk of Afghanistan, Taliban and ISIS, terror attacks and more...
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Will the response from Pisco be uploaded August?
Off topic, but is part 2 of the Primecayes drama still coming or did I somehow totally miss it?
@Suicidal Veteran who?
@Suicidal Veteran no, who fucking asked?
@Suicidal Veteran no, who the fuck asked DuckerZ
Phil is one of my favorite DGG analysis desk correspondents, he brings so much with such great energy. Always educational while entertaining.
They have great synergy
Big pp
It’s so surreal listening to Destiny talk to someone who actually knows what they’re talking about… it’s refreshing. I hope he finds more people like this.
??? He does often. He just agrees with this guy more.
He was wrong on multiple things about south Asia and china.
@@itr8247 nah
Except the mass graves thing.
He does a lot lol
This guy is so cool. Glad Destiny connected with him.
Thx!
@@philgurski5265 Seriously a great asset to the discourse! Thanks
@@Ramuthra14 Thanks for the feedback! Much appreciated
@@philgurski5265 could you do a more deeper dive into India related stuff? Like Modi and hindu nationalists.
@@philgurski5265 also Phil, why India is keen on Kashmir is also about water security. A lot of glacial fed rivers originate from Kashmir and the Himalayas. Otherwise, good analysis
0:40 Ex-intelligence Analyst: I worked in intelligence for 32 years.
Destiny, snapping into a Slim Jim: Uh Huh..
This guy is one of Destiny's best contacts. They make genuinely educational content together.
Him and gordon Menzies are good content
Thanks!
@@Shape4995 pakman too
if he's ex-intelligence does that mean he's dumb now?
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I sure as hell hope not!
I love these videos with Phil, its sad that they usually only happen when there's some tragedy out there in the world, but its so insightful getting his opinion and explanation on how and why these things are occurring. Great to hear from you again Phil!
Oh shit! I'm actually really happy to see Phil on this channel, I first got into this on his reaction to Six Days in Fallujah of all things, and I've learned a lot from his videos since.
Regarding NZ, yes the problem the judge raised was that the prosecution couldn’t describe specific enough details about the planned attack. Intelligence was listened to and government did everything possible to keep him in jail and followed him everywhere when they couldn’t
That’s the negative side of being a democracy with things like individual rights and such. It’s always a trade off between increasing security or increasing freedom. The right balance has to be struck and it’s often hard to find that.
@@Fjaloeat1 Yeah i honestly dont know the answer. Should the goverment be able to jail someone indefinitely because they speak vaguely about attacking ppl and the goverment believes they might follow through on it at some point in the future? I really dont know, hopefully far smarter ppl than me are making these decisions about any possible law change.
I feel somewhat obligated to say that Alexander the III (The Great ca. 336-323 BC) conquered what today is Afghanistan. He didn't die there.
His troops refused to go further than India after India was conquered. Alexander died of an unknown illness in Babylon, where he ruled from as king.
@@Yuvraj. You're right. I should have been more precise in saying it wasn't the whole subcontinent of India.
As things are in history, it's complicated. He conquered much of the Indus Valley, up to the Punjab, but never went into mainland India. It was what the Greeks would have considered India, as back then they had very little information about the entire subcontinent of India.
It's still a pretty hotly debated topic, because Greek historians likely exaggerated much of it, either through ignorance or for propaganda or both.
The Macedonian empire was pretty much out of India after Alexander's death. The Battle of Hydaspes against King Porus was probably the final nail for the soldiers. Porus was a total badass!
Again I should have been more precise in saying he conquered India, that wasn't an accurate nor fair thing to say. I would recommend doing further research to anyone interested in the topic. It is fascinating, as the Greeks were very interested in India, which was an almost mythical land with giant ants the size of cats that dug up gold from the ground (among many other beliefs they had about India). Read Herodotus' "Histories" and you'll understand what I'm talking about. Alexander was a very complicated character in world history. In fact, if I could choose to have dinner with anyone that ever lived, he would be at, or near the top of the list.
love listening to people who work in the field, super interesting
I’m sorry but I found his analysis elementary, Kirkuk in particular was a foolish statement, look at CSIS and JANES for OSINT
He doesn't work in the field and hasn't in a long time
And not women on TH-cam commenting on me too movement as if they had ever worked in corporate america.
Thanks!!
@@John_F_Ketamine 'elementary'?? Really??
Correction, the guy in new Zealand didn’t even take a knife with him, he just took a new one off the shelf of the supermarket….
Thx for the clarification!
I shouldn't laugh but there's something so messed up about that
interesting, we had a similar attack in germany mb a few weeks ago, but with actual fatalities. the guy attacked women that didnt cover up and people trying to stop him. wonder if theres some sort of online glorification in fucked circles that inspired this.
@@Nightknight1992 whenever there is anything, and I mean anything, you will always have weirdos on the internet that talk about violence. Unfortunately some act but thankfully it’s very very few.
@@davidmontgomery1442 oh he ain’t talking to no judge, the cops took care of that issue on the spot.
Really loved this conversation
Thx!
Every video I see with Phil Gurski is an insta click for me. I very much enjoy every video he is in and I hope destiny and him can keep doing discussions like this
This is a great interview! Thanks for doing this one!
I really enjoy these civil conversations, please keep them coming ❤️
Easily the best recurring guest
Thanks Michael!! I love being on
@@philgurski5265 Do you have a breakdown of that 98% of "terrorism" being "jihadist" by region? Is that still the case internationally, because it definitely isn't domestically in the US afaik.
really great video! loved finally hearing some informed takes on these issues
Thx!
I feel like I learned something.
@Destiny is a surprisingly good listener. He often listened to Phil without inserting himself in to the pauses in Phil's stream of consciousness eliciting a lot of info that might have been a lot more convoluted if this was a debate(like a lot of @Destiny's other content). This flavour of content(information gathering) makes his opinions hit that much more heavily when looking back on his debates.
Lol @ all the people in the comments complaining that Phil isn't in the field anymore and that he's retired. Guess what- if he wasn't retired he would NOT be talking to Destiny on TH-cam. Your ideal guest doesn't exist.
Great point and VERY true!!
These two are vibing so well
I don't agree that trying to export democracy never works. it works a THOUSAND time in the past. Only because it failed in Iraq and Afghanistan and Vietnam....people assume "it doesnt work". Half of Europe was created by US tanks EXPORTING democracy. I'm European. I live in an ex dictatorship. without US tanks, my country would still be a third world, feudalistic-fascist territory.
I think there's a BIG confirmation bias when talking about the Middle East. People watch the END RESULT of the war and forget that BEFORE the war, no one knows how it will end. People are naive and assume that the "good guys" will always win, that's not the case.
The taliban is a Pashtun organization. The solution to Afghanistan is Balkanization. I hate how no one brings this up.
I hope Destiny has this guy on again, I dont know if he'd be able to talk about it but it would be really interesting to hear some stories from his time in Intelligence.
interesting and insightful video, and the guest was great.
I love all videos with this guy destiny
Let's go I love this guy
Thx!
@@philgurski5265 no thank you, my dude!
I feel like "mass shooting" should take on the same definition of "mass casualty".
"A mass casualty incident describes an incident in which emergency medical services resources, such as personnel and equipment, are overwhelmed by the number and severity of casualties."
To me a mass shooting is just a sub category of mass casualty. This also allows the definition to be flexible to the territory it falls into. I have 3 trauma centers within 20 minutes of me. 4 gun shot victims here is substantially different from rural Kansas where you may have 1 trauma center within an hour.
I mean yes. Like a natural disaster for example is a mass casualty event, but with that being said, a mass shooting is also a mass casualty event, it falls under both categories.
What’s more annoying is like how destiny brought up gang shootings are considered mass shootings.
The definition of a mass shooting, is any shooting where three or more people are shot, and that includes the shooter and the cops
So for example, if I shoot and kill someone, then shoot at a cop, or a bullet ricochets and hits a bystander, and then I get shot by the cops, that is classified as a mass shooting.
Mass shootings to me is like the Vegas country music festival shooting, or the one recently in California.
But gang shootings are usually classified as mass shootings because it involves more then 3 people usually. That annoys me more, because then the media uses that to trump up how many there are a year, and most normal people are thinking school shootings or stuff like Vegas as what a mass shooting is, and then they hear that there’s like 180 in the us in one year, but it’s really only like 12 that are like school shootings or the Vegas shooting.
So there’s a major discrepancy in how many there really are
And don’t get me wrong, 12 is too many, even one is too many. I just hate the media using the definition to miss lead the public to cause fear and outrage by using so many. Which like I said even 1 is to many, so 12 is more then enough to tell the truth about without using 180… it’s just not necessary and to me disrespectful to all the victims of real mass shootings.
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It’s awesome when you talk to people that know more about a subject than I could learn myself using google for an hour.
Thanks!
@@crowned2088 True, hard to do more research on inter dimensional vampires and their celebrity sex trafficking than your average Alex Jones guest.
@@crowned2088 Can I ask a small favour? Please, please, PLEASE don't compare me to the likes of Alex Jones. I may not be someone you like to listen to but I don't think I deserve that
@@philgurski5265 is that a chez 106 shirt you’re wearing? Ottawa? If yes I’m glad a local man is talking to destiny
@@crowned2088 98%? Dear lord...
Lovely dude, very insightful talk.
@1:40 when everyone was saying that the ANA would last 6 months, what incentive does that give the ANA to hold out for 6 months? Like if everyone is saying you will loose the war in half a year anyways, why risk your life for what was openly considered a lost cause?
Homie is spitting facts but anyone else thinks he looks like the sniper boss from MGS3?
damn bro he does look like The End
Lol... missing a few liver spots though
Wheres the parrot 🥺
i love phil, please do this more often!
So after doing a lot of research on what is considered a "mass shooting" I was left with an irritating answer - There is no agreed upon definition of what a mass shooting is. Most people think (and even Destiny said it in this clip) that it's 4 or more people shot as per the FBI. The problem is the FBI doesn't actually have a definition for a mass shooting. All the have is the definition for a mass KILLING which involves 4 or more people. Those killings can use any weapon, no weapon, or a mixture of weapons. The FBI doesn't differentiate and there's no such thing as a 'mass shooting' according to the FBI.
So you go onto other groups, including action groups and media groups for their definitions. It only gets more complicated doing that because they're all different. Some people use the definition that involves 3 people shot other than the perpetrator. Some use four plus the perpetrator. Some definitions don't count the number shot but rather the number shot and killed using the 3 and 4 numbers. Some people include the total death counts even if another weapon other than a gun was used in the process of a shooting (killing someone with a car or knife and then shooting 2 people). Some media companies even include asinine situations where someone with a fucking BB gun for 3 or 4 people as a "mass shooting."
So in discussions we really like to define our terms, and in the case of mass shootings many sides are speaking their own language. You also have groups that make the definitions broad on purpose so that they can write headlines like, "300 mass shootings a year!" even when most people wouldn't consider a lot of those instances mass shootings. It's the same tactic they use when they say, "Gun violence kills over 30,000 people a year!" while leaving out the fact that over 60% of those are suicides. They hide that in the term "gun violence" in an attempt to make it sound like all 30k are homicides.
When I think of a mass shooting what I generally think of is more along the lines of a public, often times random, mass casualty event involving one or more shooters. What I don't usually think about when someone says "mass shooting" is a drive by shooting in the ghetto during a party where 4 or 5 people got shot and no one dies. Or the same party where a shootout occurs between two sets of people and a number of people are shot.
Not reading that 😎 👎
Not reading that 😎🤙🏿
Nah man, Mass shootings just means shootings that are big.
@@note4note804 Because "mass" is short for "massive." Have I ever told you the tale of Darth Feudalism?
I read that bro
Destiny is on point in rebutting the graveyard of empires thing.
Afghanistan was conquered by the greeks, the Mauryas, the Mughals, the Sikhs and several others. It is much harder to move into Pakistan from Afghanistan than to move into Afghanistan from the west.
To be fair, whilst the Greeks did conquered and occupied Afghanistan, holding it and keeping under Greek influence was a bit difficult, but I 100% agree with rhe others.
It's always so annoying to see people make these broad appeals to history when they don't actually know the region they are talking about.
The graveyard of empires only applies to modern history. Typically British, soviets, and the US; all of these were failures. The examples you listed are literally over a thousand+ years ago. "Afghanistan" wasn't even a thing back there.
@@jameskilgour387 Alexander died in Afghanistan? What are you talking about???
@@julianbeatty2909 British wasn’t a failure at all, they easily conquered and ruled it until the empire died due to WW2
I feel like this is a historically illiterate take, but unfortunately I don't remember why.
It's always a treat to have Phil here. Such a breath of fresh air from Twitch drama.
Thx for the feedback!
I don't have anything productive
Only that I saw the video had 3 views and I commented.
Best part of my day!
Thanks!
I see Destiny is talking to Papanomaly. Great guest.
Thx - I think! Papanomaly??
@@philgurski5265 i believe there's a popular internet guy named anomaly and his father is called papanomaly as a portmanteau, you two probably look similar.
@@simonplayzgamez Ye
@@simonplayzgamez ah..I see - thanks!
Destiny needs a podcast. I doubt he has time for that tho
Just look at this as a podcast, almost all his vids are over 45 min
love this…finally someone smart
Alexander didn't die in Afghanistan, he died in Babylon.
So good to hear someone who knows his shit. Thanks for the great talk.
Kashmir will likely become one of the larger/only sources of fresh water in that region.
Chinia and India are aware of this, this is why they've had stand offs.
The unification aspect is to gain support from the people. Modi going kinda Hitlerish out here. Even gots his own SS.
I wouldn't say it is hitlerish, and genocide is barely a thing. There can be usage of undemocratic practices but the goal is not removal of any people, rather to remove the nexus or network that promoted terorism. This is why due to lack of guns and shit there were drone attacks a month ago or two.
And ofc Kashmir pundits who were driven out need to come back top
This dude has drunk 35 coffees within the last 3 hours.
Plz more of this content!!! This was awsome
Thx!!
Awesome fuckin guest babyyyyyyy
Thx!
It’s Phil! Man I love it when destiny has a convo with him, always interesting to listen.
Thx!!
Good talk
Phil is cool, but super emotional, it makes it hard to believe his objectivity but it's good shit regardless.
I love when you have this dude on
THx!!
I like these kinds of conversations, very helpful/informative.
Thanks!
I’ve some of Destiny’s takes on Afghanistan but there is one question that I have that I have not seen him answer. Do any kind of research on Afghanistan is fairly hard and time intensive, and I’m very busy and don’t have too much time to do research. So here’s the question: it seems to me that Biden could have first decided to evacuate the US civilians that were in Afghanistan, and then after that evacuate the US military. But it seems like he did the opposite. It seems to me like he evacuated most of the military first and then had to backtrack to evacuate the civilians after the Taliban took over. It seems to me like even if you did think the ANA would last longer, it would still make no sense to take the military out first. Like why even leave it up to chance that the Taliban takes over in a week instead of just evacuating civilians first? Could anyone offer me their response to this, or tell me what Destiny’s is if they know where to find it? Or am I misunderstanding some crucial facts of the situation?
An organized evacuation of US civillians would've caused the ANA to collapse anyway, because it would've tipped them, and the Taliban off that a US military pullout was eminent. It's possible that it may have gone smoother, given that the Taliban have been averse to attacking US Troops, but the result would have been similar.
@@josecanseco1083 True but wouldn’t the US military have still been there to prevent Kabul from falling as quickly, or to at least provide greater protection to American civilians than the small force that was sent to the airport? Like it just feels backwards to me. Why send the military out first and then the civilians, as opposed to the other way around? If it truly doesn’t make a difference whether you start with soldiers or civilians, wouldn’t you want the civilians to get out first with a large military presence than for most of the military to get out and then the civilians get out with a much smaller military presence protecting them?
I loved it when I know everything an ex-intelligence officer brings up. Makes my BS feel pristine.
Well i mean like he said most of it is publicly available information you don't have any "BS" unless you got a really special way of interpreting it
I mean I he went said too much, he'd be blackbagged. We have a right to information. Most people just don't take advantage.
@@misterjoey3384 Thx!
@@DANGER10101 Thx!
I don't know why people bring up Alexander the Great when talking about Afghanistan... He didn't die there, he died in Babylon (which is located in modern-day Iraq)... He DID fight some difficult battles there, but he didn't personally lose any of the battles (or any of his other battles really) and ultimately the whole thing ended when the enemy commander was betrayed and Alexander banged his daughter... So he arguably didn't conquer it (depending on how you define 'conquer'), but he didn't really need to and it's possible he could've... Sometimes people talk about how impossible it'd be for him to conquer India and it's like, yeah, but also it kinda seemed like an impossible task for him to conquer Persia too yet he did... And I don't think Afghanistan would've been as difficult as India... Anyway, he didn't die in Afghanistan, both he an Genghis Khan were able to seize control of it in a way...
Former 98C here.I disagree with him on when we could have gotten out. We should have started a 2 year withdraw of US forces back in 2012 (leaving in 2014) when the terrorist groups were st their weakest.
Highly doubtful we would have though. It would have been political suicide at the time.
bro how tf did desTiny got mfing santa claus on his show, on jah
Honestly love when destiny talks with Phil always informative and interesting
Thx!!
@Phil Gurski hope your grandson had a fun birthday!
According to the NZ Terrorism Supression Act. 2002 there weren't enough grounds to prosecute him.
I enjoyed this video, alot of interesting points raised. Pluse geopolitics is as tumultuous as ever.
Thx for the feedback!
Right into my feeeeeeeeeeed, thanks editor, the timestamps are super useful
Destiny has fallen so far 😔 he actually talks to smart people, what a sellout. Clearly a conservative
i like this guy
I would love to know what this ex-intelligence guy thinks of whistleblowers.
This was a very interesting conversation and I would love to see more talks with Phil
Thx! I am always open to a return
Wow, great video destiny. I watched at 100xspeed so I could be one of the first to comment.
Would watch again. Have a like.
Thx!
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Honestly, it kinda bugs me that all through the Trump administration Destiny said " I don't care about Obama. Trump is President, what happens is on him," and now it's always " Well what could Biden do? Trump negotiated a pullout already." He's normally pretty consistent, so this just seems odd.
I think there's more context. Biden has been in power for a little over half a year and the Afghanistan withdrawal had already been negotiated. After four years of holding the white house, Republicans were blaming Obama when it came to how Trump's administration handled the Coronavirus outbreak which was an unplanned event.
@@olinkirkland If I remember right Destiny was saying that the old administrations didn't matter even before COVID, like when people were talking about trade deals or the economy. I thought it was a principle of his that the buck stopped with the current President, not past ones.
I guess I won't know for sure till a few years pass to see if his rhetoric changes.
I'll the this episode over 100 hot tub drama videos.
India wants Kashmir because of they give it to Pakistan or an independent Kashmir that's pro Pakistan they could dam up the sources of a lot of India's rivers, and obviously India wants to potentially dam the rivers that flow into Pakistan from Kashmir. The rivers in Kashmir also have great potential for hydro power cause of their elevation.
Yes, accurate. There are many geopolitical interests. Kashmiri pundits and all exists, and I am sympathetic to them but I think it is more of to not let pakistan and China have control over independent Kashmir that will probably be pro pakistan or a pakistani Kashmir.
I have a question for Destiny. What would it take for him to consider it a “coup”? Because from what I was able to gather, it seems the only criteria for him is how successful, damaging, or organized it was. Then he references Myanmar, which was a “military coup”. Naturally, a military coup is going to be more organized, they’ll have tanks, they’ll do more damage, and they’ll arguably have a higher chance at success, but if that’s what is required for something to be a coup, then there is no such thing as a coup, that isn’t a military coup. The fact still remains, they had a clear leader, with arguably clear orders, “March down to the capital”, “fight to take your country back”. Someone had a car full of explosives, someone else planted two pipe bombs at the RNC and the DNC. They assaulted multiple officers, knowing they where the only thing between the mob and congress. They pressed on anyway, broke into the capital, and with countless video recordings, openly discussed violence toward our democratically elected officials. How many men in tactical gear does it take for him to consider it organized enough for it to be a coup? Six? Ten? Twenty? One hundred? They brought zip ties, for what? They’re little get together? I’m not buying it for a second. They had a noose outside (which I know wouldn’t have worked for it’s intended purpose, but the implication is still very real, and present). And finally I’d argue the ONLY reason they weren’t more successful, and damaging, is because of the trained personnel and secret service, saw it for what it was, a threat to our democracy and those who are elected to represent it, and thankfully evacuated the building. I know, without a shred of doubt, that if they hadn’t been fast enough or didn’t evacuate at all, MANY people would’ve died, whether its our elected officials, or police and secret service being my forced to kill more than just one person, more would’ve died, period. And so I ask, is that what it takes? Honestly the fact that a secret service member had to kill even ONE person due to their proximity and threat to our elected officials, is enough for me to comfortably say, this was NOT a “frat party gone wrong” or even a “protest turned riot”. It was an attempted coup and an insurrection. For someone like Destiny, who is usually very clear with his language, seems to be loosely gesturing toward and idea of what a coup is when it comes to mind, while not clarifying AT ALL, what it takes to actually be one.
The actual definition of a coup is “the seizure and removal of a government and its powers. Typically, it is an illegal, unconstitutional seizure of power by a political faction, the military, or a dictator.”
Everyone there was politically aligned, and would’ve removed congresses power to ratify the election in a heartbeat and instilled an non democratically elected, individual. That fits the definition in my opinion.
If normal objective people concede this, then BLM, Antifa or even trans activists are terrorists and insurrectionists, I've seen SOME of their Twitter feeds and the riots. Be careful what you wish for pal
It seems like Destiny changed his opinion about Jan 6th because I'm pretty sure a few months ago he was talking about it being a coup, or at the very least considering it way more severe, but regardless, a lot of people there were far right and owned guns, so they 100% had the power to wreak havoc but they obviously didn't want to shoot people since then it'd actually be terrorism and a coup at that point. They weren't being violent, and what I mean by violent is shooting people to death, it was more so the level of violence you'd see at a blm riot.
@@benrelaxedguy sorry but that’s not even close, no BLM, Antifa, or trans right activists, as far as I’m aware, have ever posed a real threat to elected members of congress and I’m sorry but Twitter feeds aren’t the same as actually showing up and doing it. Those riots weren’t to overturn the results of an election or to instill a new form of government. You’re taking massive logical leaps here. But hey if they did try to overturn an election I’d call it what it is.
@@TotalNonsense_ do you think they were going to install a new government before or after they shat on Pelosis desk?
And why set the standard as members of Congress? I've seen Antifa attack city hall, where the elected mayor serves. You think they were there to give him a kiss? BLM protests were at the Capitol a few months prior, kicking inngates and Trump was forced to go into his underground bunker, after a summer of violent riots.
You're not being rational mate, you're being partisan. The Capitol was a bunch of idiots whipped up by an even bigger idiot doing stupid shit. They weren't there to overthrow and install a new government, you've just been mindfucked into cheering for your team the same way they were.
He talks about it in the VOD right after this talk, his main factor was how organized the event is, effectivness or damage didn't seem to play much of role if any. He agrees Trump encouraged it heavily and is morally absolutely at fault, just not legally because it would cause more damage down the road in terms of what a President can or cannot say. Since the FBI report said that at best only about 5% of the riot was somewhat organized (and even that's split between different groups that didn't always cooperate), he together with most experts considers it simply a riot.
he couldnt be more wrong about kashmir conflict and islamic conquest of afghanistan
Yea man totally what the great khan did in the 8th century while living in 12th.
This guy is always the best guest.
Thx!!
Yaaaaay Gurski's back
Thanks! Glad to be back!
This is really interesting content Destiny. More like this please!
Thx!
Great discussion, super interesting
Thx!!
this was great. I think a learned a bit.
Thx!!
The research king couldn’t google Kashmir Conflict? And Partition and the sensitivities it engendered about any potential changes to the border and subsequent violence and population exchanges?
Cope
Kashmir pundits will come back. Secular laws will apply. Jihad terrorism will go for a toss.
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you gotta bring some guys from SEA to really understand whats going there. There is a lot of assumptions and ignorance. Bring some guy from India and you will understand everything.
Sorry but this guy doesnt know much about South Asia history.....
My understanding is that Jan. 6th was an insurrection in the sense that protesters-turned-rioters used force against Capitol Police to stop an official national legal proceeding by which states confirm the President. The term “insurrection,” albeit attempted, fits my understanding. And I do not accept terms like “coup” or “terrorism” to describe Jan. 6th.
If the riots last year weren't an insurrection, then Jan 6 isnt.
Frankly the weird obsession lefties have with it is way out of proportion compared to how actual rioting, looting, arson, murder, ripping down of public monuments, attacks on elected officials and threats to "storm" the White House are still treated like they didnt happen (or were mostly peaceful) by the same people. Some dumb hicks running around the capitol for 3 hours, causing minor damage, with one getting shot by the Capitol police, STILL being some "major" thing we need to ruminate over is cringe AF in light of a lot of other stuff.
@@WillmobilePlus Lefties didn't interrupt a democratic process that confirms the president, and those 'dumb hicks' would have killed lawmakers if they got their hands on them. They were chanting everything from 'kill them' to 'hang Mike Pence'. If what some lefties said they 'would do' counts, it does with righties too.
That's the difference.
It's also hilarious that you would imply that there's any apology for riots engaged in when leaving a comment on the dude's channel who was banned for saying 'mow them down' and has routinely expressed his firm belief that you have the absolute right to shoot and kill any person who comes after your private property. Do you even watch Destiny, or do you just lurk in comment sections of lefty channels or something?
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>those 'dumb hicks' would have killed lawmakers if they got their hands on them.
With what? Everything I've read and seen said they were all unarmed. On the other hand plenty of Antifa and BLM guys were armed and did actually kill people, as well as torch property, loot, vandalize.. But "OMG they may have killed someone...maybe, IDK" > Actual killing. Those rubes didnt have any idea what they were going to do, and no means to do so. That is why the only thing they did was make a mess and fools of themselves.
The only difference between these is one you will apologize for....because you kinda like their aims. It's not a hard thing to say.
>It's also hilarious that you would imply that there's any apology for riots engaged in when leaving a comment on the dude's channel who was banned for saying 'mow them down'
Who the h3ll is talking about Destiny? The fact that he was BANNED and is still hounded by lefties for those views literally shows you that they STILL dont own up to them
>Do you even watch Destiny, or do you just lurk in comment sections of lefty channels
No, man. This is totally my first time EVER SEEING THIS CHANNEL EVEAH!
Like what a r3tarded question.
@@WillmobilePlus With what? Everything I've read and seen said they were all unarmed." Oh right, I forgot that there wasn't a cop that got beaten to death by the capitol rioters. It's almost as though it's possible to bludgeon somebody with inanimate objects like fire extinguishers... No, that's crazy. And I'm the one in denial? Are you f*cking serious? What if a gang of men came to your house right now, *unarmed*, surrounded you and started beating on you. Then kept beating. Then kicking when you fell to the ground. Then kept kicking. Give it a few minutes, and voila! You would be dead. Magical, I know.
"The only difference between these is one you will apologize for....because you kinda like their aims. It's not a hard thing to say." True, it's not a hard thing to say. I'm just not customarily in the business of lying. I'm not a communist, socialist or a revolutionary. I don't support abolishing the police, and I heavily support private property. I also support defending that property with unconditional force, regardless of the politics of the assailant. I do support peaceful BLM protests, but that's not what we're talking about.
"Who the h3ll is talking about Destiny?" You left a comment on his channel and started talking about 'lefties'. I've seen quite a few right-wingers (not sure if you are one) do the same, without having a clue what he or any of his supporters believe. Maybe take a step back and acknowledge the context of your comment before you blow a blood vessel?
"The fact that he was BANNED and is still hounded by lefties for those views literally shows you that they STILL dont own up to them" I don't disagree at all. The online left is predominately disgusting and in favor of violence for their own political purposes, while pretending to hate it when the right does it.
"No, man. This is totally my first time EVER SEEING THIS CHANNEL EVEAH!
Like what a r3tarded question." Last time I got into an argument with a dude in a Destiny comment section it was a neo-nazi talking about how Destiny argues like a Jew, so forgive me if I don't automatically assume that every TH-cam lurker is appropriately caught up on the channel. Ever heard of hate watchers and trolls?
@@arabiannights5301 it was proven he didnt die of any "beating", he had a heart attack days later lmfao
This guy is BASED.
That's good, right? Sorry I am an old boomer as some have pointed out
send australia pfizer some 1 plz =\ my doc tryina push astrazeneca until november apparently
just mooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooove
@@Pharomid lol crap i left dat up? my bad.. few to many beers,, i got booked in for october tho, random gp a friend mentioned
Why is Destiny so cold at the end of conversations, I hardly ever see him expressing that he had a good time talking to someone or that he appreciates someone coming to chat
he has autism man. I work with kids who have it and some people on the spectrum are just like that. people mistake them for being sociopaths but its not the case.
Have you never seen Evangelion man? It's in case you have to burn the bridge later, duh
He's 🤖
I don't mind - I like the relationship we have and he allows me to talk
@@philgurski5265 For sure, it's definitely nothing against you. He does it with everyone. And I think you guys's conversations are one of the most interesting and civil.
I am not complaining though, I just find it a bit weird, and I know it's just probably how he is as a person.
Keep Phil coming
Thanks!! I loved being on! Again!
18:20 I dont like this argument, because you can challenge it quite easily by pointing to Japan and South Korea, who had no history of western style liberal democracies yet evolved that way post ww2 after western occupation
I really like this guy though, its really refreshing to hear someone who have intelligent takes on world issues as opposed to the morons Destiny talks to most of the time :)
Japan absolutely did have elements of western-style values before WW2 that had developed over the previous century, and Korea was a part of Japan while those ideas developed.
They even went through a very similar path as Germany and other European countries in the inter-war period, going from a relatively liberal and democratic system of government in the Taisho period to a more fascist-style government in response to economic issues, social movements and growing communist power.
I think geography and lack of unity probably played a bigger role in why Afghanistan was so ungovernable, but the example of Japan still fits his hypothesis.
@Fuck TH-cam He was talking about traditions for western style liberal democracies. Now as a scholar on Japan, would you classify Japan in 1945 as a country that had a long tradition for western style liberal democracy?
Korea is a far better example, since they were in a far worse position.. Saying Korea was developed in 1945 is something i have trouble understanding. By what metric would you say that Korea was a developed nation in 1945?
@Fuck TH-cam Well, in the timestamp i posted and in my comment, the gentleman in the video were talking about traditions for western style liberal democracies, and the notion that an outside power can come and change the political system of a country. You change the topic to development since you know for a fact that Japan had no such traditions in place before the occupation...
Japan did not have a similar system to that of the united states, if you wanted a comparison then a closer example would be imperial germany, but the differences were still wast. The comparison to the United states i really cannot understand.
And you can not in any way say the same thing about Korea, which also was a success story in terms of nation building, so your argument holds no merit since it is not the case for both examples
@Fuck TH-cam The japanese were not free to adopt any political system they wanted during the US occupation of Japan. If you think that you are living in a fantasy world.
They had an emperor mate, you really need to brush up on japanese history if you think that Japan was a democracy before 1945. They did have a legislative assembly, but it was not legitimized by an electoral process, which is fundamental when using the term democracy. No one in their right mind would call Japan a constitutional monarchy. By that definition Imperial Germany was a constitutional monarchy, which it was not, you are using terms that are not applicable at all.
As for your rambling about inventing nations, there must be a 3rd person in this conversation because i would never make such a ludacris claim.. You cannot invent a nation, but you can BUILD a nation. Nationbuilding is not the same as "nation creation" or inventing nations...
Again, you are dodging Korea.. You only want to talk about Japan, but you have nothing to say when it comes to Korea
@Fuck TH-cam what occupation? The US occupation of Japan and Korea. I know you want to talk about the meiji restoration, but i am talking about the occupation of Japan post WW2 buddy...
You can read about it here if you are curious to learn buddy
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occupation_of_Japan
Its not a democracy if the people dont vote on their legislative assembly... And its not a democracy if power is in the hands of an unelected emperor
I know its hard to understand buddy, but you have no idea what a democracy is..
Finally you want to talk about Korea :)
Korea wasnt purely a dictatorship, they went through alternating periods of democratic governments and autocratic takeovers, considering their current state and the increase of living conditions south korea has been a huge success in modern nation building
You think the west has no part in that success? Well, if the west had not protected south korean independence they would either still be a part of the Japanese empire, or they would be part of North Korea, and subject to China.
I know you hate america buddy, and thats fine, alot of people like you hate the US. But as a Norwegian i have no bone in that fight. The United Nations sent troops to Korea so i am happy we played a part in securing their freedom from autocratic forces in North Korea and China. Considering they have had a very stable liberal democracy since before i was born i consider it a success story
For your information, the US did not bomb Korea into the stone age. I know you need to study history a bit better, but lieing does not help your case when you talk to someone who actually knows what you are pretending to know something about buddy
I respect his experience as an analyst but neither really know anything about the indian situation or history, id say its far more clear cut that other disputes tbh. please read up
DESITNY ARE YOU DOWNPLAYING JAN 6? REEEE
Bring on more talks with Phil!
Always happy to be on!
Good convo. More of this destiny. As a Canuck, it's cool you have Canucks on to discuss shit, besides Lauren Southern (whom I think knows her shit, why the breadtubers hate her).
I mean she clearly doesn't know her shit
Thanks eh!
@@wandarah that's why she owns Serf, and the bread tubers who debate her. Destiny also agrees. Its why these leftists lose their shit.
@@philgurski5265 uh huh
Please talk to more informed sources on foreign events, I absolutely loved this.
Please talk more with informed sources on foreign events, I absolutely loved this.
Thanks!!
Super cool dude.
Thanks!
This is genuinely so interesting to watch. I want to be a world history major when I finally get around to going to college, and discussions like this I think help alot to give me at least a cursory level understanding of American/American aligned foreign affairs.
Kiwi here. Here's some additional details about the attack we had here that I have gathered from local news here. (Haven't payed all that much attention to it tbqh)
He arrived in 2011 seaking refugee status claiming he'd been mistreated for being a Tamil Muslim in Sri Lanka.
In 2012 his application was denied but he went on to appeal to the Immigration and Protection Tribunal which turned over the denial in 2013 and he was granted refugee status.
Key thing to note is that once refugee status has been granted here in NZ, it's very hard to revoke. This is a big part of where the problem with this situation lies and most people seem to want this changed now.
In 2016 he came on to the police's radar after expressing sympathy over terrorists attacks on Facebook. Further investigations launched at this time concluded he had lied/forged documents for his refugee application.
In 2019 his refugee status was cancelled (can't say I'm too familiar with this whole process but it seems to most people that 3 years is a long time to get to this point.)
At this point the deportation process began but he was able to appeal to stay which delayed the process. Law states that someone can't be kept in jail during this process either (another thing people seem to want changed) and so he was put on 24 hour surveillance.
Fast forward to present day and I would have to guess that this process was coming to a close and he decided to commit an act of terrorism as a final fuck you.
This is one of those hard to solve problems. Simply putting anyone who is the process of being deported in jail seems like a simple fix that would have probably prevented this from happening but if the process takes as long as it appears to this may lead to logistical issues alongside possible violations of rights.
I'm mildly interested to see what kneejerk reaction the government here comes up with this time.
Thx for the details!
I find it funny when people think buddhists are peaceful because they heard of monks. Buddhist monks are allowed to use violence and buddhists who arent monks will use just as much violence as anyone for whatever end.
Nowadays, we think of Tibet as some utopia with the Dalai lama that was oppressed by China but in the past it was a kingdom with many warriors.
Some of the most fiercest warriors: Mongols, Samurai, even Afghans before Islam; were all buddhist
That's why I think Sam Harris' take that some religion are more violent than others is bs. There are always a reason to be violent regardless of your religion.
@@bananian I think Sam Harris is ignoring the fact that the 7 big religions of today: Islam, Christianity, Buddhism, Shintoism, Hinduism, Sikhism, and Judaism; were all founded in feudal kingdoms.
Religion offers a code of conduct that is a basis of law for a ruler and the ideological reason for it.
For example, in Christianity, man must repent for disobedience to God because God died for this.
In Islam, man must not sin because he is living a test that will reveal to himself if hes worthy to live in paradise.
And buddhism and hinduism have their own thing.
The code of conduct, be it sharia or be it bushido, or all different, but they arent always arbitrary.
Some, like the emphasis in Islam of martyrdom in battle, were meant to make muslim men and boys courageous enough to fight fiercely in battle instead of fleeing.
In christianity, martyrdom for faith was extremely important as it was necessary in a polytheistic Roman Empire that was willing to blame Christians for whatever
Absolutely loved this video.
Thx!
Yoooo it's not some wanker on the internet for once but an actual informed person.
Interesting talk, keep it up
Woohoo!! I am not a wanker! Thanks!
Do u remember when u told JLP that Biden is going to do a much better work then trump. That one aged like shit