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Give the people what they want: the Battle of the Canards. A dogfight free-for-all featuring (at a minimum) the SU33 Flanker-D, Eurofighter Typhoon, JAS39 Gripen, and Dassault Rafale. May the best 'nard win.
In the final round, the Flanker's missile missed because the Hornet pulled the throttle and turned nose on (the coldest aspect), making the flares the hottest target in sight. In every round, the Flanker stayed in burner, even with a missile incoming, providing a nice hot target for the missile.
Cool story anyway modern IR missiles are based on imaging sensors precisely so that it isn't that simple. Against a modern missile it's more about the flares disrupting the plane's shape and apparent bearing change, messing with the gain/contrast, or fortunately forming a plane-shaped blob. As for how it's simulated in DCS, it's anyone's guess but as far as testing can tell it's just a die roll with a couple linear adjustments tacked on. So, pareidolia.
@@HypoceeYT Based on my experience, IR missiles in DCS don't track an idle engine as well as an engine in burner, and they don't track as well nose on. Yes DCS uses random number generation to decide hit or miss, but the hit probability goes down with the the engine heat.
Never realized how crazy maneuvers at low speeds are for the hornet untill I saw first hand last weekend at an airshow an f-18 just ripping it up like an f22 was insane.
They have some incredible pitch authority, but they love to dump energy in the process and aren’t terribly good at getting it back. The F-16 gets it back almost instantly, and the F-22 is pretty much the best of both worlds.
Because its high alpha capability and low speed maneuverability Hornet is actually lot stronger in modern HOBS dogfight than dogfight of its design time. Again F-16 isn't as strong in modern HOBS dogfight than two circle gun fight/rear aspect Fox-2 dogfight of its design time.
Fun fact: Years ago the sidewinder's countermeasure resistance wasn't as good as the engineers thought it was. They designed it with a very narrow range of flare intensity. But Soviet / Russian build quality is so poor that the flares weren't consistent enough for the missiles to filter them out as flares.
It wasnt a poor quality, it was just an old tech. Actually it worked much better than its western counterpart. It is much easier to filter out flares that are all the same than those that each have their own characteristics.
I love your videos, have been a fan for a while so keep them coming! From a retired USAF perspective though be thankful these dogfights are simulated, in the real world there is no round two…🇺🇸
New series idea: loaded down multirole jumped by different types of interceptors. Can multirole fighters defend close quarters while retaining loadout and continue mission. Interceptors with full or typical load of AA missiles.
Love the better quality and better music!! If you could keep the ending music the same as before that would be nice though. I have been a sub for a while and watched you grow! Thanks for the vid!
Since it's all been said below, all I can really say at this time is, NICE!!! Great video. I love how you show outside the jets at different angles. They're better than watching Hollywood movies. Keep'em coming. Cool beans...
11:12 I have a feeling that missile missed because the F-18 cut his throttle. Whereas later on when he fired his missile at you, you kept your afterburner going. Same with the first fight, the second fight I can't tell if the F-18 was on afterburners when he got shot, third fight it looks like he was, fourth fight he definitely had his burners on just before your missile hit.
In regards to your history lesson about the J-15, China was only allowed a total of 200 licensed Su-27 copies, which would be the J-11A. The J-11B and J-15 were very much breaches of their deal with Russia. Which in hindsight they should not have ruined, as China has struggled domestically in terms of engines and avionics, and many of their early production of J-11Bs and J-15s had unreliable airframes and engines because their agreement with Russia, didn't come with the engine package. The only advantage J-15 has over Su-33 is its catapult capability. Unlike Su-33, you can hook the J-15 up to a catapult and not worry about wrecking its landing gear. But unless China has completely fixed their airframe and engine problem, dogfights like this in the J-15 would be a matter of "how quick can you bend over and take a 9X up your ass?"
Maybe drop the restriction on firing before the merge and give each player a Fox-1 or two to force a "dirtier" merge (i.e, not necessarily a super-close pass and where neither party necessarily is in an optimal position and attitude)? It would make the approach more interesting and potentially make 2-circle capabilities more relevant in HOBS fights. Basically, try simulating the tail end of a BVR fight and the transition into a dogfight instead of simulating an exercise dogfight that's not likely to happen in real combat.
Always good to see some Flanker action! That one-turn FCS off Cobra HOBS Fox 2 kill stunt never gets old from Flankers Day 95 / Video 49 of bugging ya to take the Mig 31 Foxhound out for some fighting! We haven't seen you in it yet, just fighting against it! That Felon -ish camo paint on the 33 is cool lol
Can we get a multi country dogfight???? F35c vs j15 vs f33. Could even throw in their ground based support. F22, j20, su57… 2 on 4, an all out battle. This could be very intense and interesting.
США никогда на это не пойдут, и не шли до сих пор, боятся чего то, были тренировачные бои между США и кем то из Азии,, только США не стали говорить как проиграли... у азиатов были как раз Су-30мки
This is interesting as I just finished watching "These 2 Flankers Were Hunting Me... " from June 11 2021, again with Hornet vs Su33! (but with GS in the Hornet then). So it really is something like 50/50 odds by the looks of it. The video before that, "F/A-18C Hornet Drag and Bag Tactics", was also a closeup Hornet vs Flanker fight. Highly recommend watching these 3 together.
at 11:16, when your missile doesn't track, it sounds like your F-18 cut throttle (or at least afterburner). Any idea if this is a valid tactic in the "long run" of a close quarters dogfight? It seems to have paid off in the short run but I assume that has pretty serious thrust implications.
It may be ancient at this point, but that F-18 sure has scary nose authority. The Su-33 isn't really a dogfighter, is it? It's the AA missile that's doing much of the work. Testament to the superlative design artistry of McDonnell Douglas, who did the original F-18 development nearly 50 years ago.
@@StudSupreme- Northrop build the YF-17 as a competitor to the YF-16 during the lightweight fighter competition in the 1970s to provide a “low cost” complement to the F-15… after the YF-17 lost to the YF-16, the US Navy instead took a different look at the YF-17 and selected it for its own next gen lightweight strike fighter needs, and they teamed up with MDD to make a navalized version… that became the F/A-18…
The WES is a Wesley. He's a little guy they use in all the missiles. He's a little long sighted so if you're too close he can't see you and that's how you jam the WES. Because he won't be able to turn fast enough if he takes too long to see you.
Ay yo!!! Never thought I'd see G.S finally pilot the Flanker-D in this one since we saw this fight before but from the Hornet side. Would love to see some sorties in the Flanker-D, J-15. It would be awesome to see that type of content with all the other dope missions we see. Need some Naval Flanker content!!
I'm aware. I've seen the missions with them as adversaries. I'd like to see him perform missions in the J-15 and Su-33. Like an emergency scramble from a base to intercept a threat in the Flanker-D or J-15. It would be pretty awesome to see
7:45 is what all of you should take from this lesson from Professor Sidewinder. Watch that ventral speed brake deploy. The Flanker was designed to kill Eagles. He dropped energy at the merge and allowed room for the Fox 2 to operate within parameters. Ask any Raytheon or Lockheed Engineer.
Simulating weapons performance is more complex than you might imagine. Some simulators used by military customers have dedicated computers within their systems that ONLY model weapons performance, and have NO other purpose. And they're very powerful computers relative to the computing power of the rest of the simulation system.
I dont know if this would work but it would be kinda cool having a missile cam, like somehow put a cam on the back of the missile pointing forward so it would be like a pov of the missile
I keep wondering if anyone is working on a missile system that can lock and shoot to the rear of a fighter. Big surprise, you try a tight turn after a merge, and your bogie hits you and he never tried to turn.
One problem is that the velocity of the fighter is added to the velocity of the missile. By firing to the rear, the two oppose and the actual velocity of the missile through the air is very, very low. It will have next to no ability to intercept the enemy.
When was the last time anyone merged in real combat? Feels like people are focusing investment on BVR because it's the most strategically relevant engagement type we expect to see foe these platforms
Hmm. Was here an example how flares can also target IR to ones back. (that one that seemed not to track but it did, wonder did was it going to flares when it went up and then to motors? :) )
exactly, think of a bore sight like that of a rifle, the bore sight is right down the centre of the aircraft, now imagine a missile that can lock a target 90-120 degrees off that centre bore sight, thats a high off bore sight missile.
i'm french and not sure to well understand what means "to jam", i guess it's only about minimizing the missile's range. so the flares aren't part of the jamming ? even while creating like a wall ?
correct, technically if you have the WEZ jammed, you don't need the flares, but you flare just in case. but if you're sure its min ranged, then no need for flares.
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NGAD vs F-15 ACTIVE, dogfight, guns or missiles (or both) plzkthx
SU-57 vs F-15 ACTIVE, dogfight, guns or missiles (or both) plzkthx
SU-47 vs F-15 ACTIVE, dogfight, guns or missiles (or both) plzkthx
SU-47 vs SU-57, dogfight, guns or missiles (or both) plzkthx
SU-47 vs NGAD, dogfight, guns or missiles (or both) plzkthx
thanks for the change of pace if you will.
I enjoy these HOBS dog fights.
Give the people what they want: the Battle of the Canards. A dogfight free-for-all featuring (at a minimum) the SU33 Flanker-D, Eurofighter Typhoon, JAS39 Gripen, and Dassault Rafale. May the best 'nard win.
F-104 vs F-4E - remember to use the maneuver flaps with the Starfighter, I have read it can out rate the F-4E with the flaps.
"She might be fat but she can give you one really nice pull"
I've always said that
kek
😂😂
Us girls would say "he might be fat but he can pump one good time and then we are doing all the work"
I came to the comments as soon as I heard him say that, and was not disappointed 😂
Beat me to it.
4:48 The missile did a "question mark", lol
A Russian question mark. lol
Looked like half a heart to me. From Russia with Love!
Looked like a half heart to me.
It was a hook arm. Ha ha ha.
that's what I said!
In the final round, the Flanker's missile missed because the Hornet pulled the throttle and turned nose on (the coldest aspect), making the flares the hottest target in sight. In every round, the Flanker stayed in burner, even with a missile incoming, providing a nice hot target for the missile.
Cool story anyway modern IR missiles are based on imaging sensors precisely so that it isn't that simple. Against a modern missile it's more about the flares disrupting the plane's shape and apparent bearing change, messing with the gain/contrast, or fortunately forming a plane-shaped blob.
As for how it's simulated in DCS, it's anyone's guess but as far as testing can tell it's just a die roll with a couple linear adjustments tacked on. So, pareidolia.
Ok 🤓
@@HypoceeYT Based on my experience, IR missiles in DCS don't track an idle engine as well as an engine in burner, and they don't track as well nose on.
Yes DCS uses random number generation to decide hit or miss, but the hit probability goes down with the the engine heat.
Yup. You aways have to remember it's a sim. If you play it like it 100% follows reality, it'll end up biting you.
"She might be fat, but she can give you one really nice pull."
Yep, he said that.
he really did spit some bars
@@saadsajidul9001 you're doin too much nerd
2:07 It bit off on flares, then you stopped deploying flares and it reacquired you. By the time you started redeploying flares, it was too late.
That overhead angle of the 2 circle kill @4:48 is NICE.
I liked how they formed a very pretty question mark with the missile
I saw that camera shot and was all, *chef's kiss*
Beautiful work, GS.
Didn’t know a missile could pull a cobra lol
😂😂
BVR F-22 vs F-35.
It’s already made
Done before already
1F-22 vs 2x F-35
GS was in F-22 you already know lol
F22 vs Gyrocopter
@@mraviatorboii2510but was it bvr?
@@kjmdrumz3there’s no point because the round would already be over
Never realized how crazy maneuvers at low speeds are for the hornet untill I saw first hand last weekend at an airshow an f-18 just ripping it up like an f22 was insane.
When flying an f16 in DCS, the last thing you want to be when dogfighting an f18 is slow. They win those flights 9 times out of 10.
They have some incredible pitch authority, but they love to dump energy in the process and aren’t terribly good at getting it back. The F-16 gets it back almost instantly, and the F-22 is pretty much the best of both worlds.
That round 2 missile turned tighter than a freakin Yaris!
4:52 I love how the smoke trail formed a question mark, like him going "What the F?". Ha!
Cool to see the F-18 as a viable aircraft after all these years.
And this is even the older F-18C version
@@magicaldream given its smaller size and higher thrust-to-weight ratio, I'd expect a legacy Hornet to outperform the Super Hornet in a merge.
Because its high alpha capability and low speed maneuverability Hornet is actually lot stronger in modern HOBS dogfight than dogfight of its design time.
Again F-16 isn't as strong in modern HOBS dogfight than two circle gun fight/rear aspect Fox-2 dogfight of its design time.
@@tuunaes Modern high off boresight missiles help keep it viable too.
Regarding that last dogfight, as John Correia of ASP always says "you can't count on luck, but luck always counts".
Fun fact: Years ago the sidewinder's countermeasure resistance wasn't as good as the engineers thought it was. They designed it with a very narrow range of flare intensity. But Soviet / Russian build quality is so poor that the flares weren't consistent enough for the missiles to filter them out as flares.
Russia: task failed successfully.
It wasnt a poor quality, it was just an old tech. Actually it worked much better than its western counterpart. It is much easier to filter out flares that are all the same than those that each have their own characteristics.
And this information you got from where exactly??😂
@@Gearparadummies thats because western fighters always fighted against some 3rd world country's outdated airforce.
F-35 is Fat Amy, Flanker is Fat Natasha...
Jamming the WEZ is kind of like hugging your opponent in boxing so that they can’t throw an effective punch?
Yes. We should refer to it as Mayweathering.
4:49 Half of my heart by John Mayer just started playing in my head. You’re welcome.
Nice camera angle high above to show a great track of the missile!
The Hornet is such a cool plane. Both of them
Dude I love the Hornet videos thank you so much keep up the awsome work.
I love your videos, have been a fan for a while so keep them coming! From a retired USAF perspective though be thankful these dogfights are simulated, in the real world there is no round two…🇺🇸
Video idea: I-16 Donket vs Su-57 Felon
this is my fav youtuber you deserve more subs
you the man. much love.
what a beautiful machine to fly! more FA18 please!
Also GS: Drawing half a heart with his missile (sadly F18 didn't draw his half; 4:56)
He did but with fire 🤣
New series idea: loaded down multirole jumped by different types of interceptors. Can multirole fighters defend close quarters while retaining loadout and continue mission. Interceptors with full or typical load of AA missiles.
The Quick answer? No.
Love the better quality and better music!! If you could keep the ending music the same as before that would be nice though. I have been a sub for a while and watched you grow! Thanks for the vid!
"The sukhoi 33 is a fat pig"
Was NOT expecting that 😂
F/A-18E/F vs F-35C (Fox-2 fight) would be epic to see! Navy vs Navy : Old vs New
Day 47
Been watching your vids for a while. Like ballet in the skies, but someone dies at the end. Keep it up!
Since it's all been said below, all I can really say at this time is, NICE!!! Great video. I love how you show outside the jets at different angles. They're better than watching Hollywood movies. Keep'em coming. Cool beans...
11:12 I have a feeling that missile missed because the F-18 cut his throttle. Whereas later on when he fired his missile at you, you kept your afterburner going.
Same with the first fight, the second fight I can't tell if the F-18 was on afterburners when he got shot, third fight it looks like he was, fourth fight he definitely had his burners on just before your missile hit.
This is such a cool TH-cam channel! Awesome stuff mate!
In regards to your history lesson about the J-15, China was only allowed a total of 200 licensed Su-27 copies, which would be the J-11A. The J-11B and J-15 were very much breaches of their deal with Russia. Which in hindsight they should not have ruined, as China has struggled domestically in terms of engines and avionics, and many of their early production of J-11Bs and J-15s had unreliable airframes and engines because their agreement with Russia, didn't come with the engine package. The only advantage J-15 has over Su-33 is its catapult capability. Unlike Su-33, you can hook the J-15 up to a catapult and not worry about wrecking its landing gear. But unless China has completely fixed their airframe and engine problem, dogfights like this in the J-15 would be a matter of "how quick can you bend over and take a 9X up your ass?"
I heard they recently had a new J15T variant thats was revealed. Which has donestically produced engines and avionics instead of the russian ones.
walking us through the battle verbally is a nice touch. nice to understand what hapnin.
In the rounds where Mr. Hornet won, at least he was kind enough to sting you in the ass and not in the face.
Maybe drop the restriction on firing before the merge and give each player a Fox-1 or two to force a "dirtier" merge (i.e, not necessarily a super-close pass and where neither party necessarily is in an optimal position and attitude)? It would make the approach more interesting and potentially make 2-circle capabilities more relevant in HOBS fights.
Basically, try simulating the tail end of a BVR fight and the transition into a dogfight instead of simulating an exercise dogfight that's not likely to happen in real combat.
That 2nd round 😂 takes a whole new meaning to "crooked as a question mark" 🤣👏👏👏
GS exhausted all kinds of aircraft combinations xD
Always good to see some Flanker action! That one-turn FCS off Cobra HOBS Fox 2 kill stunt never gets old from Flankers
Day 95 / Video 49 of bugging ya to take the Mig 31 Foxhound out for some fighting! We haven't seen you in it yet, just fighting against it! That Felon -ish camo paint on the 33 is cool lol
Round 6, looks like he cut his burner at just the right time and the Archer bit on the flares
I love the "question mark of death" that is left in the sky from the missile's smoke trail.
That first missile knew EXACTLY where it was and where it wasn't.
Can we get a multi country dogfight???? F35c vs j15 vs f33.
Could even throw in their ground based support. F22, j20, su57… 2 on 4, an all out battle. This could be very intense and interesting.
США никогда на это не пойдут, и не шли до сих пор, боятся чего то, были тренировачные бои между США и кем то из Азии,, только США не стали говорить как проиграли... у азиатов были как раз Су-30мки
@@Яго-ю2х the USA doesn't get a vote, this is DCS
4:52 this angle is drop dead gorgeous!!!!!
Overhead view was a nice choice there
That first kill looked like a harm
that last kill, he did get you with the guns. it was over even before he launched that missile.
This video is going to be pretty popular around December this year
This is interesting as I just finished watching "These 2 Flankers Were Hunting Me... " from June 11 2021, again with Hornet vs Su33! (but with GS in the Hornet then). So it really is something like 50/50 odds by the looks of it.
The video before that, "F/A-18C Hornet Drag and Bag Tactics", was also a closeup Hornet vs Flanker fight.
Highly recommend watching these 3 together.
6:00 that blue note sounds crazy
For an older design that F18 still can get it up. Great design.
That early turn in round 6 was definitely a "Call an ambulance... but not for me" moment.
08:08 😂 that's what she said 😂
If you replay the fights, the missile that was spoofed the Hornet cut burners. The others from what I could see, reheat was active.
9:23 Very interesting sound.
it reminds me of Tom And Jerry Space episode.
All of GS' videos feel educational.
Wow this is some of the coolest footage ive seen of missiles and what they can do
at 11:16, when your missile doesn't track, it sounds like your F-18 cut throttle (or at least afterburner). Any idea if this is a valid tactic in the "long run" of a close quarters dogfight? It seems to have paid off in the short run but I assume that has pretty serious thrust implications.
That pull at 8:12 was perfection
The top down view of the 2nd engagement was great
Some spectacular visuals here
She knows that this beautiful plane cannot be used this badly at best.
In the first round I thought he was trying to hit you with flares at the merge.
Apache vs Frogfoot!
Loved the color variety of flanker !
I'm more of a fan of american jets but man that blue paint scheme on any of the SU models looks super nice.
It may be ancient at this point, but that F-18 sure has scary nose authority.
The Su-33 isn't really a dogfighter, is it? It's the AA missile that's doing much of the work. Testament to the superlative design artistry of McDonnell Douglas, who did the original F-18 development nearly 50 years ago.
Don't you mean Northrop?
@@Apyr404 Thought it was a McDD design. Am I in error? If Northrup deserves the credit, then more power to 'em.
@@StudSupreme- Northrop build the YF-17 as a competitor to the YF-16 during the lightweight fighter competition in the 1970s to provide a “low cost” complement to the F-15…
after the YF-17 lost to the YF-16, the US Navy instead took a different look at the YF-17 and selected it for its own next gen lightweight strike fighter needs, and they teamed up with MDD to make a navalized version…
that became the F/A-18…
4:50 - that Hornet got killed by the Riddler!
The WES is a Wesley. He's a little guy they use in all the missiles. He's a little long sighted so if you're too close he can't see you and that's how you jam the WES.
Because he won't be able to turn fast enough if he takes too long to see you.
Mans really drew a reverse question mark with a fox2
That question mark in the sky reminds me of an aerial photograph of a Japanese ship trying to avoid attack in WW2.
Ay yo!!! Never thought I'd see G.S finally pilot the Flanker-D in this one since we saw this fight before but from the Hornet side. Would love to see some sorties in the Flanker-D, J-15. It would be awesome to see that type of content with all the other dope missions we see. Need some Naval Flanker content!!
He has tons of videos flying the Flanker D and J-15 (Which are the same aircraft in the sim btw)
I'm aware. I've seen the missions with them as adversaries. I'd like to see him perform missions in the J-15 and Su-33. Like an emergency scramble from a base to intercept a threat in the Flanker-D or J-15. It would be pretty awesome to see
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The 2nd Fox 2 on the first round went for the flares and pulled a "Uh! Shiny!" at the very last moment haha
7:45 is what all of you should take from this lesson from Professor Sidewinder. Watch that ventral speed brake deploy. The Flanker was designed to kill Eagles. He dropped energy at the merge and allowed room for the Fox 2 to operate within parameters. Ask any Raytheon or Lockheed Engineer.
Man that F18 whissle at 9:25... 😮💨
First roll input at 7:50, Hornet killed at 7:59. Absolutely no room for error
Rare scenario of cobra being useful, but that kill was epic!
10:02 dropping flares while full afterburner does not help either.
Exactly lol, that's how his archer missed there in that last dogfight too, because the hornet disengaged his afterburner while flaring
4:53 What a beautiful view!
Great video GS... Can you do a Su-30 VS F-18?
Would be good to see the difference vectorial thrust it makes into this fight.
2nd round missile made a question mark like it was asking if that was the right target
Another great vid!
I would be interested in seeing the new F-4E going up against the F-5E (MiG-28).
Simulating weapons performance is more complex than you might imagine. Some simulators used by military customers have dedicated computers within their systems that ONLY model weapons performance, and have NO other purpose. And they're very powerful computers relative to the computing power of the rest of the simulation system.
That last AIM-9 looked like it was coming for your face, then changed it's mind 😮😅
I dont know if this would work but it would be kinda cool having a missile cam, like somehow put a cam on the back of the missile pointing forward so it would be like a pov of the missile
The middle trail made the question mark to my question of how did that missile track?
I was supposed to be going to bed but I saw the hornet and had to click.
I keep wondering if anyone is working on a missile system that can lock and shoot to the rear of a fighter. Big surprise, you try a tight turn after a merge, and your bogie hits you and he never tried to turn.
already exists on the f-35 with the new(ish) aim-9x block 2
One problem is that the velocity of the fighter is added to the velocity of the missile. By firing to the rear, the two oppose and the actual velocity of the missile through the air is very, very low. It will have next to no ability to intercept the enemy.
When was the last time anyone merged in real combat? Feels like people are focusing investment on BVR because it's the most strategically relevant engagement type we expect to see foe these platforms
im so early, love you gs! you are the best!
Su-33 with the Felon digital camo maybe the most gorgeous bird ever
Hmm. Was here an example how flares can also target IR to ones back. (that one that seemed not to track but it did, wonder did was it going to flares when it went up and then to motors? :) )
It would have been hilarious if the F18 has thrust vect or canards with its already crazy AoA
what does high off bore sight mean? missle lock when they're off to one side, not right in front of the nose of your plane?
exactly, think of a bore sight like that of a rifle, the bore sight is right down the centre of the aircraft, now imagine a missile that can lock a target 90-120 degrees off that centre bore sight, thats a high off bore sight missile.
these HOBS have a tighter turning radius than my car, holy crap!
i'm french and not sure to well understand what means "to jam", i guess it's only about minimizing the missile's range. so the flares aren't part of the jamming ? even while creating like a wall ?
correct, technically if you have the WEZ jammed, you don't need the flares, but you flare just in case. but if you're sure its min ranged, then no need for flares.
That missile got lucky.
Missile: I'm going for the sun... SYKE
I'm thinking the f18 won the 6th round since unlike before he cut AB and dropped flares rather than full ab and flares