I love NDSP plugins, and appreciate them replicating hard to find or more obscure amplifiers... but it does feel like they release guitar plugins too often. It would be cool if they threw some other analog gear in there to change things up.
Nobody gives me plugin fatigue more than NDSP to be completely honest. I have Nolly and I find it hard to justify getting anything else from them even though I'm just a recording artist and I don't play live or anything. Prices are kind of expensive, are never on sale and a few don't really sound THAT different. So I agree with your criticisms on this and appreciate your honesty.
My bigger gripe is honestly just that they put out three "prog metal" packs in a row (Plini, Nolly, Abasi), and I honestly don't see the point. I got the Nolly Archetype. When they released the Abasi and this, I wasn't even slightly tempted to buy them because they don't really do anything all that different. If they put out something for an underserved market, like Doom, then it'd be different.
@@GOAT-rl2uq That's a good point. Nolly is (to me) the much better deal out of all of them so far...just pisses me off that they didnt have a built in tuner in them. And at a lot of these prices, it makes more sense to go with something different. I got AJ STL Tonality on sale and loved it for the price and liked that it included the Revenant Pedal. I also have Bias FX2 which came fully loaded and included the BIAS Pedal plugin for like $150 total? And that gives you pretty much anything you will ever need and includes guitar match. So...I don't know. I agree with you, they need to shake things up already.
i can't believe ndsp is releasing all these plugins. why can't they just STOP so I can WRITE something instead of releasing NEW PLUGINS that deliberately make the OLD PLUGINS sound WORSE immediately after release 😠😠😠
They all have different voices and it's always nice to have options. I love having something like Plini's (black amp) panned right and the Nameless or NTS on the left making for a cool blend; add Darkglass for bass or Parallax and you have one hell of a sound. Nameless, NTS and Omega sound different from one another and so does Plini, Nolly and Abasi. Just different flavors, and honestly having this many high quality options wasn't always a thing in the plug in world.
Cool channel and content, mate! I got myself the Granophyre the other day, and I found some points in your review that I didn't know about(different speakers). So thank you for that, you have a subscriber here.
Prices and marketing talk aside, my favorite tones from this video came from the EL34s settings. You nailed that Take No Prisoners tone, could've been the album's master track if I didn't know any better.
IMO, it doesn't make sense to buy a modeler unit for 1400$ when you can get a real deal amp for the same or lower price. But it makes sense to buy a plugin for 100$ when it gives you the sound of a 2200$ amp
Amp modeler with ten's of thousands of dollars worth of amps, cabs, and effects. Also, the routing options which means more pedals/cables for a less manageable pedal board. So even more money. $1400 is a steal, even compared to it's direct competition. The $2000+ axe fx 3. Tube amps are cool, expensive, and less useful. But, are very easily integrated into a modeler studio set up or floor modeler rig. Re-amping exists for a reason.
It's cool their plugins are Omega/Fortin/Soldano. They're super high end and rare that you can't just try and save for one in many cases even used like an EVH or Mesa Recto.
So far, from your reviews, this one is my favorite Neural DSP plug-in. I don't know what it is, maybe because it has this Rectifier quality to it. Have you tried the Overloud TH-U plug-in yet? I'm curious about your opinion on it.
I think you're right! I'm on the waiting list for the Quad Cortex and I don't see any sense buying Neural DSP plug-ins until I see that the Quad Cortex can't accomplish the same tones. I'll wait and see!
Loved comparison comment to the Fryette/VHT. I have been GAS'ing for an Ultra Lead but don't have room for one alongside the IIC+ and Wizard MC that I already have. But I'll have a Quad Cortex soon and I look forward to trying this sim in it to see if it can satisfy this craving. A guy who I was trying to convince to sell me one of his 3 Wizard MTLs, who is also a huge Ultra Lead fan, just ordered the real version of this amp because of its expected comparability to these other amps, and it definitely seems to be in the same ballpark. Great vid. Thanks.
This is the review I’ve been waiting for on this plugin. Since I haven’t pulled the trigger on either of the fortin suites, seeing this made my decision even harder. I’m also bouncing back and fourth between neural and stl tones Will Putney with its inclusion of a bass amp. I’m not a 7 or 8 string guy. My playing falls between AIC and pantera. What would be your suggestion? Also, Did I hear some Dream Theater in your demo? Really enjoy these in depth reviews. Keep it up!
Out of all the Neural stuff, Nolly casts the widest net but at a price. NTS is very versatile if you're just looking for dry tones. I can't say much about the STL stuff as I've never evaluated them extensively, but the hour or so I last spent with them didn't leave me too impressed.
I’d like to see a Rock pack purely focused on amps rather than a particular artist. Like Archetype Friedman, Marshall or even Fender where they could pick 3 or 4 amps and sell that as a pack for diversity. There is plenty of room there to work with. I think that would sell like hot cakes. To be honest, I think that is why they decided to try to go HW. But, I think their profit margin is better to stick to SW plugins. Between Helix, Fractal and Kemper they have their work cutout to make it through the HW route. I think I would continue to focus on the SW route and compete on the high end with UA and others. My 2 cents. Either way, I consider Neural DSP still to be the best on the SW plugin modeling front. I own Nolly and absolutely love it. Awesome product and I agree, the most versatile and best value they offer. Great video man! 👍
Completely agree - but I already see crucial points missing (to me) in the Quad Cortex. Even in a DSP unit that powerful they make the standard mistake of having just a single stereo effect for delay (ping pong) and then implementing it as another "delay mode". You want your vintage tape delay as a big stereo soundscape? Too bad - you must chose between tape or ping pong like in some cheap pedal! Seriously, why NDSP?? Oh, and one more thing: After your recommendation for the Blades plugin I can't see ever needing anything else for chug tones anyway. That plugin is just brilliant! Thanks a lot for the recommendation.
The EQD plumes (at least in the real world) does both symmetrical and asymmetrical clipping depending on the mode, with the middle mode removing the clipping section from the circuit entirely. I own one but haven’t had the chance to play it through a high gain amp yet so I can’t speak to why they might include it here...
Thank you for the video, which of these plugins would you suggest for juicy hi gain death metal sound or death doom sound? Also, can the Kemper compare with these sounds? Thank you for your time.
I think the whole point of Neural DSP was to release different amp sims for more affordable cost. You can try them 14 days for free and choose the one you like. Not all of us have the money for Quad Cortex.
It's pretty tasty, had a good play around with it myself. Though I think I'm already suffering from amp sim overload :p Would like there to be a tube selection in the Nameless also.
This vid is three years old and this comment might not get seen but regardless, i absolutely cannot get any of these plugins to sound right. They all seem artificial to me. And thats comparing to an axfx8. I'm not hellbent on tubes, i have a tube rig with the halfstack and all that but in my room its my fractal and i love it. I've tried all of these models and they just... don't sound good out of the box and even with fiddling they just don't have 'it'
@@mikebush3834 so I went over to a buddies yesterday, he's got a brand new scarlet interface (mines kinda old) and his setup sounded gnarly with the fortin NTS, maybe it's our interfaces? Idk, I'm not real tech savvy at all
@@jimmybags1494 yea idk... I'm using a scarlet 18i8. I'm using Fishman abasi pickups. I've been having issues getting anything to sound right. I'm using a fractal fm3, a 6505 into a two notes torpedo live, and the neural plugs. To me the best souing one is the real amp into the load box but it's still Hella fizzy. Maybe it's post processing that these TH-cam use. I haven't tried post eqs yet. I'll try that tonight
I have to say, while I love the clarity and power of Neural stuff, you nail it on the head in concluding this vid. As a primarily plugin guy, I have almost no justification buying hardware of that pricetag. The cynic in me says that within three years they will have done a Quad v2, or some kinda Apple approach where you can only load a few of the "new amazing 2025 we never had accuracy like this before" amp blocks etc. But if you buy the v2 you can double the size of the virtual rig, yada yada. Take that and compare it to a bangin' laptop. They just need to update the plugin and you get that same power for very little to no price overhead compared to getting a new hardware modeler. Ugh. It's kind of a catch33 trying to win at the modeling space because of the immensity of tech and the options. I guess in Neural's defense, they put out a bunch of plugins and then pitch the hardware and see who buys which. Either way it's a good time to be a guitarist lol. Ps: IMO, To help condense their plugins, Neural could think about doing a Fortan bundle or something. I see very little point to getting Nameless and NTS. Not unless both plugs were cut 50% off haha. This way you can grab one plugin and have both heads. I mean they sound so similar anyway, why not make one plug instead of two? The Archetype stuff I am a little more understanding of because you get quite a lot with each plug. I'll quit now before I rabbit hole this to death and end up selling one of my old basses or something to get all the Neural stuff I don't already have lol. Cheers
Don't know if you heard this, but at NAMM they said that any plugin that you bought can be run in the Quad Cortex (you have to login with your account), which means you won't have those sounds included with the unit. This actually sucks, it reminds me what Line 6 did with the POD XT and the model packs. Edit You actually talk about this in the video
@Plague Scythe Studios hey dude, I appreciate the videos and the recommendations...here's a question: I'm not bothering with the Quad...I have a 20% discount til the end of March and I am looking at possibly pulling the trigger. My initial idea was getting an NTS for a really good heavy distortion(my prefs: Demanufacture, Far Beyond Driven, Homo Sum - Decapitated, Saligia - Origin, Eaten - Blood Bath). I tried the Plini plugin and it was really nice... but not sure if I could get those tones out of it. I use a lot of EZ Mix effects when I do more experimental things, but what you're saying here kinda bugs me and makes me think about a purchase... I've been told the Omega is the best out of all of them for metal tones. Any recommendations on what to do? Should I take the 20% chance and get the NTS and wreak havoc, or should I get away with a 20% slice off of a full suite like the Nolly or Plini? I am not a fan of Tosin's so I doubt I'd ever use his...but maybe you have a deeper insight in the quality of it, who knows... Any info would be helpful. Thanks dude!
This comment probably already exists, but both Mick and Jim use their overdrives for leads and rely on the amp reacting to their pickups and guitars for rhythm. That's why the earthquaker is off by default
Dude, the Fortin NTS is amazing! But I'm liking the Granophyre too. I just downloaded the demo today. I just wish it came with some post effects like Archetype Nolly (reverb, delay)
That`s true, I`m thinking about the same thing. Unfortunately ! I`ve tried Nolly but Granophyre sounds great and aggressive to my ears. You will be obliged to use it in DAW instead of standalone mode if you wanna add reverb, delay.... .
For me, the only hi-gain amp sim worth my time in the impressive Neural DSP catalog has been a very unlikely contender to say the least; this monster, the Omega Ampworks Granophyre. After trying every amp sim under the sun over the years, Poulin, Amplitube 5, STL, Mercuriall...(you name, I have tested it) I found my main guitar tone with this amp sim. Say what you will about it. The controls may look simplistic, but I guarantee you'll find your tone hidden within this amp somewhere if you have not been satisfied with any others before.
It sounds good, but it didn't really grab me past 2 or 3 of the tones. The Quad Cortex has some serious potential, but a massive red flag went up for me when you look at the pic of the software that you can put on your computer or phone to control the device. They have their IIC+ model shown and there's not "Lead Drive" control. Hell, even Line 6 got that right. It led me to wonder just how deep, if at all, can one go with modifying the amp sims. That, it the somewhat unspoken ace in the hole of Fractal. I can literally mod the amp sim in real time and have massive amounts of variants to play with and hone in on my ideal tone. Many years ago, Cliff mentioned the ability to basically build a custom amp from the ground up in the Axe FX, but that has yet to materialize and I now think it never will sadly. As a player who has very rarely been satisfied with a straight up, off the shelf amp, being able to delve deeper without having the spend hundreds of dollars on different tubes or thousands of dollars on questionable mods is a godsend. What really depresses me is that I think the same, relatively conservative type of groupthink that pervades guitar gear has hamstrung digital. Why are we not seeing more amp sims that are in-house/from the ground up designs?
To your question of why do we not see more companies with amp sims that are their own design. Some companies are not people who build amps but build ways to copy amps. Line 6 and fractal do build their own sounds sometimes. Kemper is completely a copy machine. Then there is the question of what is popular. One modeler on the market that is completely original is the ISP Theta Pro, and look how popular that is. What people want is an amp modeler with all the amp models they're familiar with. A 6505 model, a rectifier model, a fender model, etc. I do agree though it would be nice to see more attempts at sounds that could only have been created in an amp modeler. Big bottom from line 6 was always a good example of that. And in the axe fx which i use there are a bunch of unique to axe fx amp models, obviously which are great.
I got to say that this was a wake up call for myself personally. Nice to see someone else that is actually an expert likes KT66 tones. Sure I think this Plug-In sounds great, I have a ton of great gear and play at home for sport and am just a novice that knows next to nothing when it comes to recording and mixing. Do I want it ? Of course, but I think I will thoroughly check out the other Neural (Fortin and Plini) models. Just a couple days ago I thought I wanted the Nolly Plug in. I'm dirt poor and Maxed out and I think I'm good right now, but damn that sounded good.Blu Guitar Iridium is interesting, not to mention 10 different pedals I like and the Korg Wave State Synth. Forget about it. I can't have it all. Cooped up in the house with Corona Virus running rampant can make a guy a little goofy. Great Channel ! Is that you playing Guitar ? Peace-
I play for all of my reviews, I just rarely bother filming it unless its pertinent to the topic. I'm here to demonstrate the gear and its settings, not show off the wanky licks I know haha
@@PlagueScytheStudios Appreciate the get back. Yeah Man, dig the channel for sure. I really like your picking and chops.You really know your sh** and I will be watching. who knows, maybe I can learn something lol. I finally finished getting everything to start my 1st desk top studio.Only took 3-4 years of hard work and saving and buying piece by piece. I do need a SM57 mic but I'll use the shit Focusrite mic that came w/ the Scarlett lol. Couldn't afford a U.A. I/O. I did p/u a IK AXE I/O and finagled Amplitude 4 MAX w/ the MESA, Orange, Soldano SLO, 5150, etc. I have several Modelers.Atomic ampliFIRE 6 (I really like it, simple but good Fender,Plexi,Mesa Tri-Rec) Ampero, a Mooer GE 200, L6 Helix LT, 11 different real heads, main ones are Laboga mr.hector, ENGL Fireball 60 I got from Billy Blades, 6505+, EVH lll, Les Paul Custom, SG, ESP Hanneman, Solar 1.6, Schecter KM7, Banshee 8, and several others. Need a Strat for my Cream and Hendrix flavor. It's just needed in the spectrum. Boxes of vintage and modern boutique pedals so if I can't get a good sound and tone then that's on me.Understand that I'm not trying to brag about having a few material possessions. Just want you to get a picture of what I have to work with.Just got the Arturia 49 key MIDI controller w/ Ableton live. They have great support, so does IK Multimedia. Just had my Computer Tech upgrade my 2009 MacBook pro to like a new model to handle everything. So yeah, Not exactly State O'the Art, but it's a start. I'm going to be watching all your older stuff too when I can. I'm long in the tooth but still have that love and passion for Guitar and Music. I never liked Synths before, but I have to get that Korg Wavestate for 799.00 Just huge Cinema sounds for intros/outros.You have the dream job Bro, I don't want to be a rock star or even be in a band anymore. Haven't for years. I just want to make great songs and learn everything I can. Possibly even go back to school for Recording/Mixing.A close friend of mine made it as a record producer for Sony and has his own management/Licensing company now. He started out as an assistant mixer. I just like to play and write. Any advice on what to focus on as far as making great recordings and mixes ? I believe It's never too late to learn. I lost 20 years of my youth to the system and the Gorilla in the late 80's and 90's. Nothing but blue skies smiling @ me. Now all we got to do is make it through this Corona Virus Bullsh**. Thank You so much for these demo's and your expertise.You really are on top of it and it's got to feel good to know that you're helping people create and produce Music. Heavy Music. Metal is strong and It isn't going away. Apologies for the novel. Bit of a tangent there. Happy Trails-
I understand your conclusion, but i'm not sure i agree. IMO I DO agree that it doesn't make sense to buy both. If you don't care about throwing money around more power to you. I just don't think that there are all these people buying every single amp release from NDSP. Sure, there are plenty of reviewers on TH-cam who get every new release, but I don't think you can compare them to the general market. I can only speak for myself in this instance, but as someone who does everything digitally I see absolutely no reason to own more than one of their plugins. You are absolutely right that all you really need is a single Archetype suite. I own the Nolly and I see no reason to own anything else when you get as much versatility as you do with it. Even the NTS should be able to get you every kind of tone you'd like (by which i mean clean, crunch, etc) even if it's not "perfect". And again i'm not sure it's generally fair to compare the people who are real "fan boys" or gear nerds who just have to own every single release. If you're really into deep diving and having a million tonal options than you're going to buy everything regardless. So yeah I 100% believe they are doing a good job servicing both sides of the market and any overlap in between with people buying hardware and software are probably a small minority.
Honestly NTS is the perfect sim IMO, the cleans are as clean as you'll ever want out of an amp, the crunch sound has a really cool low end fuzz to it without the hexdrive or Grind pedal engaged and can get straight up vicious with them, and the High gain channel is basically the perfect balance between modern and vintage tones and the independent control over the low end and high end gain really helps with dialing in tones weather you want a more grindy, top end forward prog tone, or just complete brutality with the girth knob cranked up.
I had already my doubts about this new plugin once I had the Nameless, the Plini, the Nolly and the Abasi in my arsenal. I was hoping to find an option better than the Nameless for 6 strings hard rock tones with EQ Delay and Reverb not available in the Nameless but ...by surprise I found only the EQ ...no delay and reverb so that for a lead tone I should always use the Plini FX in series. This doesn’t make sense ...I’’stick with the Nameless + Plini and I won’t buy the Omega. I’ve somehow the sensation that with all that hype around Neural is now throwing out products that do not cover the 100% of customers expectations but simply a piece and bite of something apparently new. For the rest I totally agree with your final comments ...by the way I didn’t subscribe for he Quad Cortex...I’ll give it a new look by mid 2021 when all the excitement will cool down a bit.
I think I've said on here that I preordered the Quad Cortex. I'm also coming from being a nameless user mainly. I enjoy the nameless a bunch, but it's also a touch lacking in certain areas. I downloaded the trial for this one out of curiosity and not having played through the archetypes. Honestly, in terms of out of the box tones, I thought this plugin absolutely destroyed the nameless for metal tones. You can dial the nameless in pretty well, but the omega just comes out sounding great. In terms of cleans, I agree. The full clean on this thing has this weird saturation going on, and kind of grates on the 4-8k range in my ears. There IS that 'low-gain grit" setting that I liked, and it had kind of a desolate, tragic, Ihsahn sort of black metal sound and I dug it, but there's not a useable clean. If I wasn't on the Quad Cortex waiting list, I'd probably have already bought this plugin, even though I'm only a few days into my trial. It's not hard to use a different plugin for a clean. Hell, I play a 6505+ IRL, so I'd need to use a different amp for a good clean anyway (which is why I'd be eyeing a Roland JC 120 if I weren't switching to modelling). A lot of people are complaining about the lack of pedals that came with the archetype lines, and I can see why. I throw bias FX on when I need effects, but with the availability of effects in certain plugins, I can see the disappointment. I really think that Neural should start thinking about a unified UI, where you can select heads, cabinets, pedals, EQs, etc from the products that you already own. I know they're still new at this, so it may or may not be on their radar. Ultimately, for a good out of the box metal tone, I'd highly recommend this to pretty much anyone, but that's pretty much all you're gonna get with it. Great review Ryan. Thanks as always.
I think it'd be pretty sweet if NDSP had a coherent 'hub' plugin model where say $100 for initial purchase to get Nameless+the NDSP Hub (first offering) then each new release was dlc to be added in the hub (or if getting in later, you buy whichever release you want and get the NDSP Hub included). They'd probably save a bunch of cash building modular parts onto a hub that's updated rather than building whole new plugins each time and thus be able to offer 'dlc' at a lower price point. It's getting to be like streaming services now where to watch everything you need to subscribe to a million services which starts defeating the whole purpose. That's absolutely where Line 6 have it right, at least in how they set up the Helix Native model (modelling quality aside)
Today there're a few things unspoken. Hardware still sell cause, I think, deliberately introduced limitations on plug in land. I come from using the old digitech 1101 still today... why you may ask? Because it sounds good, takes irs, is an interface... but the main reason: 1 rack space, delay spillover, seamless program changes, transparent for integration with an existing gig or using them both with the internal preamps. Now... I've seen many great plugins, but most of them LACK effects spillover, bank and program changes. A computer power go beyond any hardware platform, so my guess is you wouldn't need "scenes" for compensating for lag that still today exists on flagship processors, and I thought would be an issue long time corrected for 2020. My old 1101 can do it, so I dont see why not a computer. If plugins are better than hardware processors then WHY they wouldn't implement something so basic for live use? That forces me to use hardware modelers, when would be easier and better take a midi pedalboard and a laptop to PA on any gig. I know there are a few, like amplitube and bias that have program changes implemented, but no spillover. Those 2 are exceptions on an environment where bank and program changes , spillover, decent midi control and a reliable, streamlined live mode for live applications should be standard. That will kill hardware processors for most of us, maybe with the exception of real amp users or complex routing needs.
Not with you this time. I own several amp sims including stuff from NeuralDSP (Fortin NTS) and Helix Native (being a Helix LT player in my band). But the tone you get from this specific plugin isn't there with the products I already own. And I think that 100$ are a real bargain for it offers - almost 100% realistic sound in a plugin. I know guitarists that have up to 10 amp heads at home. Is it necessary? Surely not! ;-)
Thank you for this Great in-depth video very detailed and rich informative i have subscribed. I really like your honest. Personally i have preordered the quad cortex, and sold my other hardware modeler, they were great and all, but i after i have listened and watched alot of neural dsp video, and I tr. felt i need to go all in on that neural dsp route, i have purchased an audio interface. Purchased The plini because i love the combination of amps and effects and especially the clean tones. I dont think at this point i will purchase more plugins until i know what comes with the quad cortex software wise and which possibilities when it will be released. I Rather dig in the tones, amp, cab, IR options on the plini.
Market is fairly saturated, trending to very saturated. Some of these products (specially hardware ones) will depreciate rapidly. Only one I've seen that doesn't seem to give is the ax8. People still asking and getting 1k plus for that thing lol
Yeah I never really got why they went down the artist suite route to begin with unless it has something to do with the programming. Why have a pedal emulation tied to a specific bundle with far better value than your original releases when you could have just made it standalone? Neural's reputation stems from their quality, not the fact that they do artist bundles. The other thing is software markets seem to converge on two products: the free addition with a high skill ceiling, and the paid but efficient handholding option. Amp sims are going the same way. I bought Nolly simply because I knew the presets sounded good and I could focus on writing not tone chasing.
Seriously the pricing is bizarre. NeuralDSP might be the best in the world in the amp sim game, but this pricing strategy is REALLY hard to understand.
@@Infernalhermit They are yeah, but honestly it's not the price itself that baffles me, but rather the comparative prices between the sims made by NDSP. Buy this one for 100, or spend a little extra and get the Nolly which gets you so much more. Weird.
@@GOAT-rl2uq Fair point. Could to do a quality vs quantity argument, though we're going with the assumption that a lot more has gone into crafting the single amp? Hard to measure, really.
@@GOAT-rl2uq Ear of the beholder, innit? That's all is really going to come down to, the impression it makes and the "feel" we imagine each sim has. The single amp is probably more powerful, but you'd be hard pressed to pinpoint which frequencies are present in the single and which are absent in the multiple that determines how "real," they sound.
Matter of taste. I got several NeuralDSP plugins and I also have TH-U and several rig player profiles, including the better ones from Choptones. Stil there's a huge difference to me - NeuralDSP *feels* authentic whereas TH-U does not, at least to me.
I think they don't expect everyone to get every plugin, they're obviously trying to make money but I think more options is a good thing, might keep everyone from sounding exactly the same.
HAHAHA!!! Line 6!! HAHAHA!! If you are going to say something is overpriced and not so good, don't even mention line 6. We going to start talking Zoom next??
I don't know what to think of this recent development in amp sims, meaning the "name dropping." It kinda bss ppl into thinking they play a [insert amp name], for a fraction of the original's price of course, but in reality they are not playing the thing. On the other hand, if you wanna bs yourself into thinking you play the thing without having to get the actual thing, there you go... xD However, to conclude this admittedly in places erratic comment somehow: I don't really know what to think of this... ^^ Edit: Meanwhile I came across an amp sim ad from another TH-camr where the top comment was like: "...we'll get to play a [insert expensive amp name] without spending a few k." ...and the BS has already worked its magic. ;)
i downloaded the trial and fiddled with it for 2 or 3 days, sounded fizzy and digital to me so i turned the mark iv back on .if my mesa blows up i might pay for 1 until they cant get that unatural fizz out stick a fork in my butt im done lol
So digital and F I Z Z Y. I can't believe they didn't use server farms full of analog tubes and transfer the tube sounds using quantum entanglement immediately into my speakers as i played 0000000 LOL
Dude I love your videos. thanks for what you're doing...
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A wild Ola appears!
@@tappistrt Ola please do a video on this plug in!!!!
Dang I remember catching your channel super early on, and now Ola pops up in your comments. Thats Dope as hell
Bro your shred collab was awefull
Thank you so much for taking the time to make such a well-rounded and thorough video for this plugin. Much appreciated!
I love NDSP plugins, and appreciate them replicating hard to find or more obscure amplifiers... but it does feel like they release guitar plugins too often. It would be cool if they threw some other analog gear in there to change things up.
Ryan, ur videos are pure gold, ty bro!
Nobody gives me plugin fatigue more than NDSP to be completely honest. I have Nolly and I find it hard to justify getting anything else from them even though I'm just a recording artist and I don't play live or anything. Prices are kind of expensive, are never on sale and a few don't really sound THAT different. So I agree with your criticisms on this and appreciate your honesty.
My bigger gripe is honestly just that they put out three "prog metal" packs in a row (Plini, Nolly, Abasi), and I honestly don't see the point. I got the Nolly Archetype. When they released the Abasi and this, I wasn't even slightly tempted to buy them because they don't really do anything all that different. If they put out something for an underserved market, like Doom, then it'd be different.
@@GOAT-rl2uq That's a good point. Nolly is (to me) the much better deal out of all of them so far...just pisses me off that they didnt have a built in tuner in them. And at a lot of these prices, it makes more sense to go with something different. I got AJ STL Tonality on sale and loved it for the price and liked that it included the Revenant Pedal. I also have Bias FX2 which came fully loaded and included the BIAS Pedal plugin for like $150 total? And that gives you pretty much anything you will ever need and includes guitar match. So...I don't know. I agree with you, they need to shake things up already.
They are on sale, but not very often
i can't believe ndsp is releasing all these plugins. why can't they just STOP so I can WRITE something instead of releasing NEW PLUGINS that deliberately make the OLD PLUGINS sound WORSE immediately after release 😠😠😠
They all have different voices and it's always nice to have options. I love having something like Plini's (black amp) panned right and the Nameless or NTS on the left making for a cool blend; add Darkglass for bass or Parallax and you have one hell of a sound.
Nameless, NTS and Omega sound different from one another and so does Plini, Nolly and Abasi. Just different flavors, and honestly having this many high quality options wasn't always a thing in the plug in world.
Cool channel and content, mate!
I got myself the Granophyre the other day, and I found some points in your review that I didn't know about(different speakers).
So thank you for that, you have a subscriber here.
I just want to say that your tutorials ,explanations and tech wise advices are very very helpful and much appreciate !
Prices and marketing talk aside, my favorite tones from this video came from the EL34s settings. You nailed that Take No Prisoners tone, could've been the album's master track if I didn't know any better.
IMO, it doesn't make sense to buy a modeler unit for 1400$ when you can get a real deal amp for the same or lower price. But it makes sense to buy a plugin for 100$ when it gives you the sound of a 2200$ amp
Yup. Especially this one.
I agree with you mostly but a modeler is usually way more versatile in tones than a single amp.
Amp modeler with ten's of thousands of dollars worth of amps, cabs, and effects. Also, the routing options which means more pedals/cables for a less manageable pedal board. So even more money.
$1400 is a steal, even compared to it's direct competition. The $2000+ axe fx 3.
Tube amps are cool, expensive, and less useful. But, are very easily integrated into a modeler studio set up or floor modeler rig.
Re-amping exists for a reason.
It's cool their plugins are Omega/Fortin/Soldano. They're super high end and rare that you can't just try and save for one in many cases even used like an EVH or Mesa Recto.
03:43 This shortest straw has been pulled for you !!!
Very extensive review! Amazing
15:18 Sickest riff of the vid!
Tons of people will be flooding the Neural series vids due to the 50% off sale.
So far, from your reviews, this one is my favorite Neural DSP plug-in. I don't know what it is, maybe because it has this Rectifier quality to it. Have you tried the Overloud TH-U plug-in yet? I'm curious about your opinion on it.
I think you're right! I'm on the waiting list for the Quad Cortex and I don't see any sense buying Neural DSP plug-ins until I see that the Quad Cortex can't accomplish the same tones. I'll wait and see!
Loved comparison comment to the Fryette/VHT. I have been GAS'ing for an Ultra Lead but don't have room for one alongside the IIC+ and Wizard MC that I already have. But I'll have a Quad Cortex soon and I look forward to trying this sim in it to see if it can satisfy this craving. A guy who I was trying to convince to sell me one of his 3 Wizard MTLs, who is also a huge Ultra Lead fan, just ordered the real version of this amp because of its expected comparability to these other amps, and it definitely seems to be in the same ballpark. Great vid. Thanks.
If you already own any neural dsp plugin you get 20% off all the other plugins. That knocks $20 off the price which makes it a little more appealing .
This is the review I’ve been waiting for on this plugin. Since I haven’t pulled the trigger on either of the fortin suites, seeing this made my decision even harder. I’m also bouncing back and fourth between neural and stl tones Will Putney with its inclusion of a bass amp. I’m not a 7 or 8 string guy. My playing falls between AIC and pantera. What would be your suggestion? Also, Did I hear some Dream Theater in your demo? Really enjoy these in depth reviews. Keep it up!
Out of all the Neural stuff, Nolly casts the widest net but at a price. NTS is very versatile if you're just looking for dry tones. I can't say much about the STL stuff as I've never evaluated them extensively, but the hour or so I last spent with them didn't leave me too impressed.
I’d like to see a Rock pack purely focused on amps rather than a particular artist. Like Archetype Friedman, Marshall or even Fender where they could pick 3 or 4 amps and sell that as a pack for diversity. There is plenty of room there to work with. I think that would sell like hot cakes. To be honest, I think that is why they decided to try to go HW. But, I think their profit margin is better to stick to SW plugins. Between Helix, Fractal and Kemper they have their work cutout to make it through the HW route. I think I would continue to focus on the SW route and compete on the high end with UA and others. My 2 cents. Either way, I consider Neural DSP still to be the best on the SW plugin modeling front. I own Nolly and absolutely love it. Awesome product and I agree, the most versatile and best value they offer. Great video man! 👍
Completely agree - but I already see crucial points missing (to me) in the Quad Cortex. Even in a DSP unit that powerful they make the standard mistake of having just a single stereo effect for delay (ping pong) and then implementing it as another "delay mode". You want your vintage tape delay as a big stereo soundscape? Too bad - you must chose between tape or ping pong like in some cheap pedal! Seriously, why NDSP??
Oh, and one more thing: After your recommendation for the Blades plugin I can't see ever needing anything else for chug tones anyway. That plugin is just brilliant! Thanks a lot for the recommendation.
The EQD plumes (at least in the real world) does both symmetrical and asymmetrical clipping depending on the mode, with the middle mode removing the clipping section from the circuit entirely.
I own one but haven’t had the chance to play it through a high gain amp yet so I can’t speak to why they might include it here...
Thank you for the video, which of these plugins would you suggest for juicy hi gain death metal sound or death doom sound?
Also, can the Kemper compare with these sounds?
Thank you for your time.
SO if you had to choose this plug in or the Fortin Cali Suite? Which would you pick and why?
I think the whole point of Neural DSP was to release different amp sims for more affordable cost. You can try them 14 days for free and choose the one you like. Not all of us have the money for Quad Cortex.
It's pretty tasty, had a good play around with it myself. Though I think I'm already suffering from amp sim overload :p Would like there to be a tube selection in the Nameless also.
is nto gojira better, I managed to match almost every tone with out even using my own IRs
This vid is three years old and this comment might not get seen but regardless, i absolutely cannot get any of these plugins to sound right. They all seem artificial to me. And thats comparing to an axfx8. I'm not hellbent on tubes, i have a tube rig with the halfstack and all that but in my room its my fractal and i love it. I've tried all of these models and they just... don't sound good out of the box and even with fiddling they just don't have 'it'
Bro, I just got the granophyre and abasi last week when everything was half off and I'm in the same boat as you.
@@mikebush3834 so I went over to a buddies yesterday, he's got a brand new scarlet interface (mines kinda old) and his setup sounded gnarly with the fortin NTS, maybe it's our interfaces? Idk, I'm not real tech savvy at all
@@jimmybags1494 yea idk... I'm using a scarlet 18i8. I'm using Fishman abasi pickups. I've been having issues getting anything to sound right. I'm using a fractal fm3, a 6505 into a two notes torpedo live, and the neural plugs. To me the best souing one is the real amp into the load box but it's still Hella fizzy. Maybe it's post processing that these TH-cam use. I haven't tried post eqs yet. I'll try that tonight
I have to say, while I love the clarity and power of Neural stuff, you nail it on the head in concluding this vid. As a primarily plugin guy, I have almost no justification buying hardware of that pricetag. The cynic in me says that within three years they will have done a Quad v2, or some kinda Apple approach where you can only load a few of the "new amazing 2025 we never had accuracy like this before" amp blocks etc. But if you buy the v2 you can double the size of the virtual rig, yada yada. Take that and compare it to a bangin' laptop. They just need to update the plugin and you get that same power for very little to no price overhead compared to getting a new hardware modeler. Ugh. It's kind of a catch33 trying to win at the modeling space because of the immensity of tech and the options.
I guess in Neural's defense, they put out a bunch of plugins and then pitch the hardware and see who buys which.
Either way it's a good time to be a guitarist lol.
Ps: IMO, To help condense their plugins, Neural could think about doing a Fortan bundle or something. I see very little point to getting Nameless and NTS. Not unless both plugs were cut 50% off haha. This way you can grab one plugin and have both heads. I mean they sound so similar anyway, why not make one plug instead of two?
The Archetype stuff I am a little more understanding of because you get quite a lot with each plug. I'll quit now before I rabbit hole this to death and end up selling one of my old basses or something to get all the Neural stuff I don't already have lol.
Cheers
You just saved me some money, thanks man :)
Don't know if you heard this, but at NAMM they said that any plugin that you bought can be run in the Quad Cortex (you have to login with your account), which means you won't have those sounds included with the unit.
This actually sucks, it reminds me what Line 6 did with the POD XT and the model packs.
Edit
You actually talk about this in the video
@Plague Scythe Studios hey dude, I appreciate the videos and the recommendations...here's a question: I'm not bothering with the Quad...I have a 20% discount til the end of March and I am looking at possibly pulling the trigger. My initial idea was getting an NTS for a really good heavy distortion(my prefs: Demanufacture, Far Beyond Driven, Homo Sum - Decapitated, Saligia - Origin, Eaten - Blood Bath). I tried the Plini plugin and it was really nice... but not sure if I could get those tones out of it. I use a lot of EZ Mix effects when I do more experimental things, but what you're saying here kinda bugs me and makes me think about a purchase...
I've been told the Omega is the best out of all of them for metal tones. Any recommendations on what to do? Should I take the 20% chance and get the NTS and wreak havoc, or should I get away with a 20% slice off of a full suite like the Nolly or Plini? I am not a fan of Tosin's so I doubt I'd ever use his...but maybe you have a deeper insight in the quality of it, who knows...
Any info would be helpful. Thanks dude!
Was late to the party with this, bought on the strength of your review on Black Friday. So a no brainier at that price.
This comment probably already exists, but both Mick and Jim use their overdrives for leads and rely on the amp reacting to their pickups and guitars for rhythm. That's why the earthquaker is off by default
feels weird this plugin doesn't work in my laptop. Nolly, plini and fortin cali ..all works fine.
Any info on the guitar you use? Sounds KILLER bro
Oh, Ryan, I have an idea you could do for Tone Engineer: Static-X. Totally didn’t think of that because of the new Static-X song.
12:38 Mick uses the Plumes only for solos
Dude, the Fortin NTS is amazing! But I'm liking the Granophyre too. I just downloaded the demo today. I just wish it came with some post effects like Archetype Nolly (reverb, delay)
That`s true, I`m thinking about the same thing. Unfortunately ! I`ve tried Nolly but Granophyre sounds great and aggressive to my ears. You will be obliged to use it in DAW instead of standalone mode if you wanna add reverb, delay.... .
For me, the only hi-gain amp sim worth my time in the impressive Neural DSP catalog has been a very unlikely contender to say the least; this monster, the Omega Ampworks Granophyre. After trying every amp sim under the sun over the years, Poulin, Amplitube 5, STL, Mercuriall...(you name, I have tested it) I found my main guitar tone with this amp sim. Say what you will about it. The controls may look simplistic, but I guarantee you'll find your tone hidden within this amp somewhere if you have not been satisfied with any others before.
Playing Bigwig Flint and listening to this at the same time is challenging... CHALLENGING! :o)
It sounds good, but it didn't really grab me past 2 or 3 of the tones.
The Quad Cortex has some serious potential, but a massive red flag went up for me when you look at the pic of the software that you can put on your computer or phone to control the device. They have their IIC+ model shown and there's not "Lead Drive" control. Hell, even Line 6 got that right. It led me to wonder just how deep, if at all, can one go with modifying the amp sims. That, it the somewhat unspoken ace in the hole of Fractal. I can literally mod the amp sim in real time and have massive amounts of variants to play with and hone in on my ideal tone. Many years ago, Cliff mentioned the ability to basically build a custom amp from the ground up in the Axe FX, but that has yet to materialize and I now think it never will sadly. As a player who has very rarely been satisfied with a straight up, off the shelf amp, being able to delve deeper without having the spend hundreds of dollars on different tubes or thousands of dollars on questionable mods is a godsend.
What really depresses me is that I think the same, relatively conservative type of groupthink that pervades guitar gear has hamstrung digital. Why are we not seeing more amp sims that are in-house/from the ground up designs?
To your question of why do we not see more companies with amp sims that are their own design. Some companies are not people who build amps but build ways to copy amps. Line 6 and fractal do build their own sounds sometimes. Kemper is completely a copy machine. Then there is the question of what is popular. One modeler on the market that is completely original is the ISP Theta Pro, and look how popular that is. What people want is an amp modeler with all the amp models they're familiar with. A 6505 model, a rectifier model, a fender model, etc. I do agree though it would be nice to see more attempts at sounds that could only have been created in an amp modeler. Big bottom from line 6 was always a good example of that. And in the axe fx which i use there are a bunch of unique to axe fx amp models, obviously which are great.
There's always BIAS FX. That's a joke btw.
I got to say that this was a wake up call for myself personally. Nice to see someone else that is actually an expert likes KT66 tones. Sure I think this Plug-In sounds great, I have a ton of great gear and play at home for sport and am just a novice that knows next to nothing when it comes to recording and mixing. Do I want it ? Of course, but I think I will thoroughly check out the other Neural (Fortin and Plini) models. Just a couple days ago I thought I wanted the Nolly Plug in. I'm dirt poor and Maxed out and I think I'm good right now, but damn that sounded good.Blu Guitar Iridium is interesting, not to mention 10 different pedals I like and the Korg Wave State Synth. Forget about it. I can't have it all. Cooped up in the house with Corona Virus running rampant can make a guy a little goofy. Great Channel ! Is that you playing Guitar ? Peace-
I play for all of my reviews, I just rarely bother filming it unless its pertinent to the topic. I'm here to demonstrate the gear and its settings, not show off the wanky licks I know haha
@@PlagueScytheStudios Appreciate the get back. Yeah Man, dig the channel for sure. I really like your picking and chops.You really know your sh** and I will be watching. who knows, maybe I can learn something lol. I finally finished getting everything to start my 1st desk top studio.Only took 3-4 years of hard work and saving and buying piece by piece. I do need a SM57 mic but I'll use the shit Focusrite mic that came w/ the Scarlett lol. Couldn't afford a U.A. I/O. I did p/u a IK AXE I/O and finagled Amplitude 4 MAX w/ the MESA, Orange, Soldano SLO, 5150, etc. I have several Modelers.Atomic ampliFIRE 6 (I really like it, simple but good Fender,Plexi,Mesa Tri-Rec) Ampero, a Mooer GE 200, L6 Helix LT, 11 different real heads, main ones are Laboga mr.hector, ENGL Fireball 60 I got from Billy Blades, 6505+, EVH lll, Les Paul Custom, SG, ESP Hanneman, Solar 1.6, Schecter KM7, Banshee 8, and several others. Need a Strat for my Cream and Hendrix flavor. It's just needed in the spectrum. Boxes of vintage and modern boutique pedals so if I can't get a good sound and tone then that's on me.Understand that I'm not trying to brag about having a few material possessions. Just want you to get a picture of what I have to work with.Just got the Arturia 49 key MIDI controller w/ Ableton live. They have great support, so does IK Multimedia. Just had my Computer Tech upgrade my 2009 MacBook pro to like a new model to handle everything. So yeah, Not exactly State O'the Art, but it's a start. I'm going to be watching all your older stuff too when I can. I'm long in the tooth but still have that love and passion for Guitar and Music. I never liked Synths before, but I have to get that Korg Wavestate for 799.00 Just huge Cinema sounds for intros/outros.You have the dream job Bro, I don't want to be a rock star or even be in a band anymore. Haven't for years. I just want to make great songs and learn everything I can. Possibly even go back to school for Recording/Mixing.A close friend of mine made it as a record producer for Sony and has his own management/Licensing company now. He started out as an assistant mixer. I just like to play and write. Any advice on what to focus on as far as making great recordings and mixes ? I believe It's never too late to learn. I lost 20 years of my youth to the system and the Gorilla in the late 80's and 90's. Nothing but blue skies smiling @ me. Now all we got to do is make it through this Corona Virus Bullsh**. Thank You so much for these demo's and your expertise.You really are on top of it and it's got to feel good to know that you're helping people create and produce Music. Heavy Music. Metal is strong and It isn't going away. Apologies for the novel. Bit of a tangent there. Happy Trails-
I understand your conclusion, but i'm not sure i agree. IMO I DO agree that it doesn't make sense to buy both. If you don't care about throwing money around more power to you. I just don't think that there are all these people buying every single amp release from NDSP. Sure, there are plenty of reviewers on TH-cam who get every new release, but I don't think you can compare them to the general market. I can only speak for myself in this instance, but as someone who does everything digitally I see absolutely no reason to own more than one of their plugins. You are absolutely right that all you really need is a single Archetype suite. I own the Nolly and I see no reason to own anything else when you get as much versatility as you do with it. Even the NTS should be able to get you every kind of tone you'd like (by which i mean clean, crunch, etc) even if it's not "perfect". And again i'm not sure it's generally fair to compare the people who are real "fan boys" or gear nerds who just have to own every single release. If you're really into deep diving and having a million tonal options than you're going to buy everything regardless. So yeah I 100% believe they are doing a good job servicing both sides of the market and any overlap in between with people buying hardware and software are probably a small minority.
Honestly NTS is the perfect sim IMO, the cleans are as clean as you'll ever want out of an amp, the crunch sound has a really cool low end fuzz to it without the hexdrive or Grind pedal engaged and can get straight up vicious with them, and the High gain channel is basically the perfect balance between modern and vintage tones and the independent control over the low end and high end gain really helps with dialing in tones weather you want a more grindy, top end forward prog tone, or just complete brutality with the girth knob cranked up.
@@dcp10200 all of what you described sounds awful and that's not how I heard the NTS at all. yikes.
I had already my doubts about this new plugin once I had the Nameless, the Plini, the Nolly and the Abasi in my arsenal. I was hoping to find an option better than the Nameless for 6 strings hard rock tones with EQ Delay and Reverb not available in the Nameless but ...by surprise I found only the EQ ...no delay and reverb so that for a lead tone I should always use the Plini FX in series. This doesn’t make sense ...I’’stick with the Nameless + Plini and I won’t buy the Omega. I’ve somehow the sensation that with all that hype around Neural is now throwing out products that do not cover the 100% of customers expectations but simply a piece and bite of something apparently new. For the rest I totally agree with your final comments ...by the way I didn’t subscribe for he Quad Cortex...I’ll give it a new look by mid 2021 when all the excitement will cool down a bit.
15:18 wait, is that a Mnemic song? Am I going crazy? Underrated band.
Cool, another one of my old buddies getting credit in this channel: O'beast.
Tone match this with the ax8 :D? love to see it
Lower cost????
What riff is that around the 15:00 mark?
Ryan Miller Thanks!
Your playing is always vicious but versatile
I also thought it was vicious but versatile but also vivacious and vivisectional.
I think I've said on here that I preordered the Quad Cortex. I'm also coming from being a nameless user mainly. I enjoy the nameless a bunch, but it's also a touch lacking in certain areas. I downloaded the trial for this one out of curiosity and not having played through the archetypes. Honestly, in terms of out of the box tones, I thought this plugin absolutely destroyed the nameless for metal tones. You can dial the nameless in pretty well, but the omega just comes out sounding great. In terms of cleans, I agree. The full clean on this thing has this weird saturation going on, and kind of grates on the 4-8k range in my ears. There IS that 'low-gain grit" setting that I liked, and it had kind of a desolate, tragic, Ihsahn sort of black metal sound and I dug it, but there's not a useable clean.
If I wasn't on the Quad Cortex waiting list, I'd probably have already bought this plugin, even though I'm only a few days into my trial. It's not hard to use a different plugin for a clean. Hell, I play a 6505+ IRL, so I'd need to use a different amp for a good clean anyway (which is why I'd be eyeing a Roland JC 120 if I weren't switching to modelling).
A lot of people are complaining about the lack of pedals that came with the archetype lines, and I can see why. I throw bias FX on when I need effects, but with the availability of effects in certain plugins, I can see the disappointment. I really think that Neural should start thinking about a unified UI, where you can select heads, cabinets, pedals, EQs, etc from the products that you already own. I know they're still new at this, so it may or may not be on their radar.
Ultimately, for a good out of the box metal tone, I'd highly recommend this to pretty much anyone, but that's pretty much all you're gonna get with it.
Great review Ryan. Thanks as always.
Archetype Nolly sounds pretty loose on the low end. This one IS different
Dude finally I have found another KT66 lover!
I buy them cause I like them, period
A cheap lunch box head or a ndsp plugin ?
Expensive lunch box or a plugin that makes you actually write something remotely interesting?
What are you doing with it?
Yep, you're head is a cheap lunch box!
I think it'd be pretty sweet if NDSP had a coherent 'hub' plugin model where say $100 for initial purchase to get Nameless+the NDSP Hub (first offering) then each new release was dlc to be added in the hub (or if getting in later, you buy whichever release you want and get the NDSP Hub included). They'd probably save a bunch of cash building modular parts onto a hub that's updated rather than building whole new plugins each time and thus be able to offer 'dlc' at a lower price point.
It's getting to be like streaming services now where to watch everything you need to subscribe to a million services which starts defeating the whole purpose. That's absolutely where Line 6 have it right, at least in how they set up the Helix Native model (modelling quality aside)
Today there're a few things unspoken. Hardware still sell cause, I think, deliberately introduced limitations on plug in land. I come from using the old digitech 1101 still today... why you may ask? Because it sounds good, takes irs, is an interface... but the main reason: 1 rack space, delay spillover, seamless program changes, transparent for integration with an existing gig or using them both with the internal preamps. Now... I've seen many great plugins, but most of them LACK effects spillover, bank and program changes. A computer power go beyond any hardware platform, so my guess is you wouldn't need "scenes" for compensating for lag that still today exists on flagship processors, and I thought would be an issue long time corrected for 2020. My old 1101 can do it, so I dont see why not a computer. If plugins are better than hardware processors then WHY they wouldn't implement something so basic for live use? That forces me to use hardware modelers, when would be easier and better take a midi pedalboard and a laptop to PA on any gig. I know there are a few, like amplitube and bias that have program changes implemented, but no spillover. Those 2 are exceptions on an environment where bank and program changes , spillover, decent midi control and a reliable, streamlined live mode for live applications should be standard. That will kill hardware processors for most of us, maybe with the exception of real amp users or complex routing needs.
Not with you this time. I own several amp sims including stuff from NeuralDSP (Fortin NTS) and Helix Native (being a Helix LT player in my band). But the tone you get from this specific plugin isn't there with the products I already own. And I think that 100$ are a real bargain for it offers - almost 100% realistic sound in a plugin.
I know guitarists that have up to 10 amp heads at home. Is it necessary? Surely not! ;-)
I've been seeing this similar comment in that this is unique in tone.
When you're so bored of ndsp plugins that you don't do an actual demo track.
Whether or not I produce a demo for the intro is a pretty good indication of how (un)inspired I am by a peice of gear.
Thank you for this Great in-depth video very detailed and rich informative i have subscribed. I really like your honest. Personally i have preordered the quad cortex, and sold my other hardware modeler, they were great and all, but i after i have listened and watched alot of neural dsp video, and I tr. felt i need to go all in on that neural dsp route, i have purchased an audio interface. Purchased The plini because i love the combination of amps and effects and especially the clean tones. I dont think at this point i will purchase more plugins until i know what comes with the quad cortex software wise and which possibilities when it will be released.
I Rather dig in the tones, amp, cab, IR options on the plini.
Market is fairly saturated, trending to very saturated. Some of these products (specially hardware ones) will depreciate rapidly. Only one I've seen that doesn't seem to give is the ax8. People still asking and getting 1k plus for that thing lol
Damn thats harsh 🙉
Yeah I never really got why they went down the artist suite route to begin with unless it has something to do with the programming. Why have a pedal emulation tied to a specific bundle with far better value than your original releases when you could have just made it standalone? Neural's reputation stems from their quality, not the fact that they do artist bundles.
The other thing is software markets seem to converge on two products: the free addition with a high skill ceiling, and the paid but efficient handholding option. Amp sims are going the same way. I bought Nolly simply because I knew the presets sounded good and I could focus on writing not tone chasing.
Seriously the pricing is bizarre. NeuralDSP might be the best in the world in the amp sim game, but this pricing strategy is REALLY hard to understand.
Brainworx/Universal Audio are even MORE pricy.
@@Infernalhermit They are yeah, but honestly it's not the price itself that baffles me, but rather the comparative prices between the sims made by NDSP. Buy this one for 100, or spend a little extra and get the Nolly which gets you so much more. Weird.
@@GOAT-rl2uq Fair point. Could to do a quality vs quantity argument, though we're going with the assumption that a lot more has gone into crafting the single amp? Hard to measure, really.
@@Infernalhermit True. Hard to know. In terms of bang for your buck though, I see little reason to buy these single amp versions.
@@GOAT-rl2uq Ear of the beholder, innit? That's all is really going to come down to, the impression it makes and the "feel" we imagine each sim has. The single amp is probably more powerful, but you'd be hard pressed to pinpoint which frequencies are present in the single and which are absent in the multiple that determines how "real," they sound.
I think th u rig player packs are a much better deal at 30 dollars they sound just as good if not better
Matter of taste. I got several NeuralDSP plugins and I also have TH-U and several rig player profiles, including the better ones from Choptones. Stil there's a huge difference to me - NeuralDSP *feels* authentic whereas TH-U does not, at least to me.
@@MatthiasBuesing i dont know if its authentic but the suur and the marshall packs sounds great in amix at least to me ,its a matter of taste i guess
Dude the line 6 Spyders sound better than neuron dsp lolmaxx
I think they don't expect everyone to get every plugin, they're obviously trying to make money but I think more options is a good thing, might keep everyone from sounding exactly the same.
so, sounds like a pod HD 👀
Too modern for my taste. The NTS sounds nicer to my ear.
HAHAHA!!! Line 6!! HAHAHA!! If you are going to say something is overpriced and not so good, don't even mention line 6. We going to start talking Zoom next??
I don't know what to think of this recent development in amp sims, meaning the "name dropping." It kinda bss ppl into thinking they play a [insert amp name], for a fraction of the original's price of course, but in reality they are not playing the thing. On the other hand, if you wanna bs yourself into thinking you play the thing without having to get the actual thing, there you go... xD
However, to conclude this admittedly in places erratic comment somehow: I don't really know what to think of this... ^^
Edit: Meanwhile I came across an amp sim ad from another TH-camr where the top comment was like: "...we'll get to play a [insert expensive amp name] without spending a few k." ...and the BS has already worked its magic. ;)
i downloaded the trial and fiddled with it for 2 or 3 days, sounded fizzy and digital to me so i turned the mark iv back on .if my mesa blows up i might pay for 1 until they cant get that unatural fizz out stick a fork in my butt im done lol
So digital and F I Z Z Y. I can't believe they didn't use server farms full of analog tubes and transfer the tube sounds using quantum entanglement immediately into my speakers as i played 0000000 LOL