Wow: this guy Bryan Versteeg has made some seriously great, awesome, and inspiring beautiful artwork--it shows just what humanity's future in space could be like, if we really want and choose it to be. This really (really) fires up my imagination! (Also, as for his speech style... some of his mannerisms and style totally reminds me of that actor Crispin Glover! Almost like he's Crispin Glover's cousin or something, which is pretty cool, because it's a different and interesting style of speech, that carries a lot of his passion and enthusiasm, as opposed to the usual monotone presentations we tend to get subjected to at daily work meetings!)
One thing I'd like to add is jobs in space will make going to space essentially "free". In a similar way to how a professional photographer has "free" access to the best camera gear that no everyday hobby photographer would ever buy. It's about creating the opportunity for those who want to live and be in space, to create themselves a job in space. Before anyone can become a photographer you have to first develop a camera.
The concept he's talking about makes me think of a mining town in Quebec called Fermont. Due to the extreme cold in winter and the aboundance of bugs in the summer, people live in what they call the wall. Everything is centralised inthere. Appartments, shopping center, City Hall, medical facilities, etc. There's even a radio station inthere. The only problem is, if you never go outside you eventually get sick. :p
I am not sure i get the statement about lower airpressure at 11:30. I do imagine that the hab is kept at a low airpressure as a whole, not sure how that helps one fly...I would think it makes it harder to do so.
Fernando Romera - 5 meters (16.7’) of Martian regolith (enough to protect against cosmic rays) should weigh about 4.25 lbs./in.2 (.656 kg/cm2). 8 lbs./in. (1.24 kg/cm2) Should be more than sufficient to keep the habitat inflated. My regolith figures are based on a Specific Gravity of 2.5 & Martian Gravity of .375 of earth’s gravity.
most of these inflatables are roundish in shape. and it's not just like dirt on top of it. They mix it with a resin that hardens. so really the regolith would be supporting itself. We have inflatables here on earth made of concrete no type of supports because its self supporting like an egg. But yea if you take a rubber balloon and throw a bunch of loose-fill dirt on it its gonna pop lol
really easy.... the air pressure vs Martian gravity... easily done. No harm. there are tons of figures out there and there are many other hab inventors that show it can even be done on earth with earths gravity.
Things to consider in that pretty 500m 'wheel' habitat: - probably impossible for birds and winged insects to live there because of the rapid g-changes at various 'altitudes' - should drive them beyond 'nuts'. think of birds occasionally smashing into windows here on Earth and multiply that by a billion or so. - no idea how you are going to ecologically-balance the environment. exactly what species to bring in and how to make it all work without birds and winged insects (see above) - how much is one 2-bedroom apartment going to cost to buy? $10 billion? More? And then how much is it going to cost to maintain 'it' and the overall habitat contraption. Anyone? Anyone?
@@thekaxmax Actually there are peceived g-forces regardless of whether you're touching the ground or not. The atmosphere inside the cilinder will move at the same speed as the ground. So there will be a gravity gradient, enough to affect birds, but unlikely high enough for insects.
@@I3VI5 "The atmosphere inside the cylinder will move at the same speed as the ground." how do you figure that? Apart from initial inside surface release from tanks, the only thing -unpowered-, making the air continue to move in a spinning cylinder, is the ephemeral friction with the 'ground'. Eventually, the gasses, dusts, smokes, and other vapors will gravitate to the strongest sources of microgravity, and just sit there... Also, there are tidal effects with nearby gravitational bodies acting on the gasses and fluids.
@@Peoples_Republic_of_Cotati For the same reason earth's atmosphere rotates with the same speed as earth's crust. The only place with zero g will be at the center of the cilinder. Between the center and the edge, there will be a g gradient of 0.2% per meter of altitude.
@@I3VI5 How will the floor of a habitat have the natural gravity/tidal strength of the earths crust? Indeed the mass of the air itself might outmass the structure, depending on how it is designed.
Roll of Mylar to lit lunar creator rim and you could melt regolith into a foundation of rock have a concentration of heat that could last threw the night. Those big plans would take too long anywhere else and by the time we get to that scale we would have different tech.
Interesting talk but I disagree completely about adding art to STEM to make STEAM. We need initiatives to get kids interested in science technology engineering and math because those things are vital for our infrastructure, our economy, and national security. Every year there’s a huge shortage of people graduating with STEM degrees so we obviously need to find ways to encourage more kids to choose those fields. But there is no shortage whatsoever of kids who want to become artists - photographers, painters, designers, singers, dancers, etc etc etc. Let’s not dilute the limited dollars and outreach efforts by adding unnecessary things to the STEM initiatives because invariably what will happen is people will focus on the Art part of STEAM because it’s so much easier, and slap themselves on the back for a job well done and leave the actual STEM portion unfulfilled while leeching all the funding.
animals need to go too. I'm not an animal lover or hater or anything like that but logically for the same reasons humans need to spread out so do animals. don't want all your eggs in one earth shaped basket lol. if the earth is destroyed we would lose a lot of species. Species who probably held solutions and cures/treatments for us. People need to try to stop separating humans from animals and plants because we are of the same system.
yup if they dont plan animals into the mix from the start ... they wont make it ... they are almost half our life cycle ... but animals that provide food and other things during their life must be had .. just pets .... not until very much later
@@0623kaboom you could have pet pigs and chickens then eventually eat them hopefully after they have produced a new generation. But I think you're still right. It would be too much resources to bring an ecosystem in one go especially with conventional spaceships. Then again if feasible bringing a space station with an established ecosystem is probably the safest way to go. Make it stations so our eggs are not all in one basket.
This feels like when a new aircraft is about to be introduced and they show an artist's conception where it has a lounge bar, gourmet meals, people drinking champagne and whatnot, only to end up being the usual can of sardines, competing for the lowest price. The images look nice, but I don't see a huge space habitat with forests, lakes, animals and sparse population, in any foreseeable future.
26:00 - “What about the costs?” At the present $15,000/kg & no use of ISRU, colonizing space is UNTHINKABLE. At $100/kg & with ISRU, it’s expensive, but doable...
Elon stated his estimate for Starship launch cost is $2M - even for a conservative 100t payload it makes $20/kg to LEO. Add ISRU and it's all reachable in our lifetime...
Jacek Siuda - SpaceX originally said that between fuel, maintenance & repairs, production & facilities costs, & Amortization of development costs, they could get it down to $7 million/launch. My assumption is that SpaceX won’t be able to hit that target until the mid-2020’s. At $100,000 per metric ton to LEO & $700,000 metric ton to Mars, this is still doable. Of course, if SpaceX can get that down to $20,000/t to LEO, this becomes almost easy.
@@TraditionalAnglican Are you sure your figures regard the new-stainless steel version? I found the following: "Speaking with USAF Lieutenant General John Thompson at the event (via Space.com), Musk said that fuel costs for the Starship should be around $900,000 per launch, and that once you factor in operational costs, it'll probably add up to around $2 million per use." Anyway, even with $7M per launch, sending single Starship to Mars at the fraction of the cost of single SLS ($2B) sounds simply ludicrous ;)
Jacek Siuda - My figures were based on previous Elon Musk & SpaceX statements, & included Amortization of the costs of development. I agree - Starship is an absolute bargain compared to SLS/Orion & Lunar Gateway. Even at $10 million/launch (first 2 years of service), we’d be able to colonize (& begin to industrialize) the moon & Mars, build a large (1 km diameter) rotating space station & start mining Near Earth Asteroids for less money than NASA is on spending on SLS/Orion & Gateway. At $2 Million/launch, we could add an O’Neal Cylinder to the list... That’s what dramatically reducing launch costs & doing ISRU would allow us to do.
ok then how is the retroreflector array on the moon .. it had to placed carefully and adjusted ... no robot was doing that in the 70's ... the moonwalk for that took several hours to get it setup and aligned and then tested ... . seriously ... we have been to the moon ... sure they went through the radiation belt .. at the thinnest part at a time when it was at its weakest ebb and flow ... you really should go back and watch the apollo footage all over ... you obviously didnt see it first hand
@@0623kaboom Yes seriously. Have you seen it YOURSELF...THRU a telescope? Not a picture or video on the net. And.... "they went thru the radiation belt AT IT"S THINNEST?? Wow bud... If you haven't seen this array yourself, thru a telescope... well I won't say it. I will say you've got an impressive sci-fi imagination.
@@normal_norm2627 why do you need to deviate. Does it hurt to do your own research? I can only say the same to someone disrespectful like you. That's why replies are short.
If colonizing Mars happened eventually the gravity problem would prevent some from considering returning to earth. Also birthing the first human baby on Mars could be a terrible experience. Does calcium to make bones then become a danger in mother's milk? That baby is not likely to ever visit earth. Maybe in an exoskeleton, it can happen. Would give us different perspective of the difference between a crab and an Octopus.
I'd like to see Bryan work on the design for the first university on the moon. I'm afraid the rest of human bases in space will probably seem more like a cross between a nuclear fallout shelter and a freeway offramp trailer park.
Really fun presentation. It’s nice once in a while to break away from the physics and financial aspects of space settlement.
Wow: this guy Bryan Versteeg has made some seriously great, awesome, and inspiring beautiful artwork--it shows just what humanity's future in space could be like, if we really want and choose it to be. This really (really) fires up my imagination! (Also, as for his speech style... some of his mannerisms and style totally reminds me of that actor Crispin Glover! Almost like he's Crispin Glover's cousin or something, which is pretty cool, because it's a different and interesting style of speech, that carries a lot of his passion and enthusiasm, as opposed to the usual monotone presentations we tend to get subjected to at daily work meetings!)
No need to apologize-just do the presentation.
Let’s do this planet!
Very interesting presentation👍
One thing I'd like to add is jobs in space will make going to space essentially "free". In a similar way to how a professional photographer has "free" access to the best camera gear that no everyday hobby photographer would ever buy. It's about creating the opportunity for those who want to live and be in space, to create themselves a job in space. Before anyone can become a photographer you have to first develop a camera.
You can tell for sure that he is very passionate about his vision of space and I like this!
I like this presentation, I didn't know anyone else in Calgary has this pation for space. I wishes we could bounce ideas and opinions some day.
His mind is so fast he has trouble converting it's ideas into speech. Kind of a genius.
The concept he's talking about makes me think of a mining town in Quebec called Fermont. Due to the extreme cold in winter and the aboundance of bugs in the summer, people live in what they call the wall. Everything is centralised inthere. Appartments, shopping center, City Hall, medical facilities, etc. There's even a radio station inthere. The only problem is, if you never go outside you eventually get sick. :p
Great talk on the visions of future settlement.
Fantastic, cheers.
Why don't we have movies with these environments???
Keep calm and do what you have to do ;-)
Well done!!!!!
Excellent presentation - the enthusiasm more than made up for the (supposed) lack of eloquence.
I am not sure i get the statement about lower airpressure at 11:30. I do imagine that the hab is kept at a low airpressure as a whole, not sure how that helps one fly...I would think it makes it harder to do so.
"Bury the inflatables" yeah dude, good luck with that haha
Really beautiful pictures, that's for sure
Fernando Romera - 5 meters (16.7’) of Martian regolith (enough to protect against cosmic rays) should weigh about 4.25 lbs./in.2 (.656 kg/cm2). 8 lbs./in. (1.24 kg/cm2) Should be more than sufficient to keep the habitat inflated. My regolith figures are based on a Specific Gravity of 2.5 & Martian Gravity of .375 of earth’s gravity.
most of these inflatables are roundish in shape. and it's not just like dirt on top of it. They mix it with a resin that hardens. so really the regolith would be supporting itself. We have inflatables here on earth made of concrete no type of supports because its self supporting like an egg. But yea if you take a rubber balloon and throw a bunch of loose-fill dirt on it its gonna pop lol
really easy.... the air pressure vs Martian gravity... easily done. No harm. there are tons of figures out there and there are many other hab inventors that show it can even be done on earth with earths gravity.
Things to consider in that pretty 500m 'wheel' habitat:
- probably impossible for birds and winged insects to live there because of the rapid g-changes at various 'altitudes' - should drive them beyond 'nuts'. think of birds occasionally smashing into windows here on Earth and multiply that by a billion or so.
- no idea how you are going to ecologically-balance the environment. exactly what species to bring in and how to make it all work without birds and winged insects (see above)
- how much is one 2-bedroom apartment going to cost to buy? $10 billion? More? And then how much is it going to cost to maintain 'it' and the overall habitat contraption.
Anyone? Anyone?
zero g-changes between 'levels'; no perceived g-forces unless you're touching the ground.
@@thekaxmax Actually there are peceived g-forces regardless of whether you're touching the ground or not. The atmosphere inside the cilinder will move at the same speed as the ground. So there will be a gravity gradient, enough to affect birds, but unlikely high enough for insects.
@@I3VI5 "The atmosphere inside the cylinder will move at the same speed as the ground."
how do you figure that?
Apart from initial inside surface release from tanks, the only thing -unpowered-, making the air continue to move in a spinning cylinder, is the ephemeral friction with the 'ground'. Eventually, the gasses, dusts, smokes, and other vapors will gravitate to the strongest sources of microgravity, and just sit there... Also, there are tidal effects with nearby gravitational bodies acting on the gasses and fluids.
@@Peoples_Republic_of_Cotati For the same reason earth's atmosphere rotates with the same speed as earth's crust.
The only place with zero g will be at the center of the cilinder. Between the center and the edge, there will be a g gradient of 0.2% per meter of altitude.
@@I3VI5 How will the floor of a habitat have the natural gravity/tidal strength of the earths crust? Indeed the mass of the air itself might outmass the structure, depending on how it is designed.
Roll of Mylar to lit lunar creator rim and you could melt regolith into a foundation of rock have a concentration of heat that could last threw the night. Those big plans would take too long anywhere else and by the time we get to that scale we would have different tech.
I saw the picture, and watch this video to see if they allowed lawn dart on Mars?
Adderal before a speaking engagement is NOT your frirend.
Interesting talk but I disagree completely about adding art to STEM to make STEAM. We need initiatives to get kids interested in science technology engineering and math because those things are vital for our infrastructure, our economy, and national security. Every year there’s a huge shortage of people graduating with STEM degrees so we obviously need to find ways to encourage more kids to choose those fields. But there is no shortage whatsoever of kids who want to become artists - photographers, painters, designers, singers, dancers, etc etc etc. Let’s not dilute the limited dollars and outreach efforts by adding unnecessary things to the STEM initiatives because invariably what will happen is people will focus on the Art part of STEAM because it’s so much easier, and slap themselves on the back for a job well done and leave the actual STEM portion unfulfilled while leeching all the funding.
animals need to go too. I'm not an animal lover or hater or anything like that but logically for the same reasons humans need to spread out so do animals. don't want all your eggs in one earth shaped basket lol. if the earth is destroyed we would lose a lot of species. Species who probably held solutions and cures/treatments for us. People need to try to stop separating humans from animals and plants because we are of the same system.
yup if they dont plan animals into the mix from the start ... they wont make it ... they are almost half our life cycle ... but animals that provide food and other things during their life must be had .. just pets .... not until very much later
@@0623kaboom you could have pet pigs and chickens then eventually eat them hopefully after they have produced a new generation. But I think you're still right. It would be too much resources to bring an ecosystem in one go especially with conventional spaceships.
Then again if feasible bringing a space station with an established ecosystem is probably the safest way to go. Make it stations so our eggs are not all in one basket.
This feels like when a new aircraft is about to be introduced and they show an artist's conception where it has a lounge bar, gourmet meals, people drinking champagne and whatnot, only to end up being the usual can of sardines, competing for the lowest price. The images look nice, but I don't see a huge space habitat with forests, lakes, animals and sparse population, in any foreseeable future.
26:00 - “What about the costs?” At the present $15,000/kg & no use of ISRU, colonizing space is UNTHINKABLE. At $100/kg & with ISRU, it’s expensive, but doable...
Elon stated his estimate for Starship launch cost is $2M - even for a conservative 100t payload it makes $20/kg to LEO. Add ISRU and it's all reachable in our lifetime...
and if you can get the volume up u can then go launch loop for even cheaper
Jacek Siuda - SpaceX originally said that between fuel, maintenance & repairs, production & facilities costs, & Amortization of development costs, they could get it down to $7 million/launch. My assumption is that SpaceX won’t be able to hit that target until the mid-2020’s. At $100,000 per metric ton to LEO & $700,000 metric ton to Mars, this is still doable. Of course, if SpaceX can get that down to $20,000/t to LEO, this becomes almost easy.
@@TraditionalAnglican Are you sure your figures regard the new-stainless steel version? I found the following: "Speaking with USAF Lieutenant General John Thompson at the event (via Space.com), Musk said that fuel costs for the Starship should be around $900,000 per launch, and that once you factor in operational costs, it'll probably add up to around $2 million per use." Anyway, even with $7M per launch, sending single Starship to Mars at the fraction of the cost of single SLS ($2B) sounds simply ludicrous ;)
Jacek Siuda - My figures were based on previous Elon Musk & SpaceX statements, & included Amortization of the costs of development. I agree - Starship is an absolute bargain compared to SLS/Orion & Lunar Gateway. Even at $10 million/launch (first 2 years of service), we’d be able to colonize (& begin to industrialize) the moon & Mars, build a large (1 km diameter) rotating space station & start mining Near Earth Asteroids for less money than NASA is on spending on SLS/Orion & Gateway. At $2 Million/launch, we could add an O’Neal Cylinder to the list... That’s what dramatically reducing launch costs & doing ISRU would allow us to do.
Seriously?? Mars?? We never went to the moon folks.
They must have found a new place in Greenland to take pictures... 🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂
ok then how is the retroreflector array on the moon .. it had to placed carefully and adjusted ... no robot was doing that in the 70's ... the moonwalk for that took several hours to get it setup and aligned and then tested ...
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seriously ... we have been to the moon ... sure they went through the radiation belt .. at the thinnest part at a time when it was at its weakest ebb and flow ... you really should go back and watch the apollo footage all over ... you obviously didnt see it first hand
@@0623kaboom Yes seriously. Have you seen it YOURSELF...THRU a telescope? Not a picture or video on the net.
And.... "they went thru the radiation belt AT IT"S THINNEST?? Wow bud...
If you haven't seen this array yourself, thru a telescope... well I won't say it. I will say you've got an impressive sci-fi imagination.
@@normal_norm2627 tell me when you find a telescope that can phocus on an object smaller then 1m on the moon from earth or even from moon's orbit.
@@lukeskywalker7457 I won't waste my time with a name like luke skywalker, you're obviously "sci-fi'ed" beyond repair. lol
@@normal_norm2627 why do you need to deviate. Does it hurt to do your own research?
I can only say the same to someone disrespectful like you. That's why replies are short.
If colonizing Mars happened eventually the gravity problem would prevent some from considering returning to earth. Also birthing the first human baby on Mars could be a terrible experience. Does calcium to make bones then become a danger in mother's milk? That baby is not likely to ever visit earth. Maybe in an exoskeleton, it can happen. Would give us different perspective of the difference between a crab and an Octopus.
I'd like to see Bryan work on the design for the first university on the moon. I'm afraid the rest of human bases in space will probably seem more like a cross between a nuclear fallout shelter and a freeway offramp trailer park.
Don't forget to build a mortuary.