pehle ritwik muze samaj nahi aa raha tha,phir is video ke baad ab sab clear ho gaya hai hai,thanks for this video,apne Jo logics diye hai usse ritwik hi sahi hai aur Prabhupada ne bhi yahi kaha conversation mein uska bhi proof hai,now everything seems to be in line
हरे कृष्ण ! गुरुदेव के चरणकमलों में सादर दण्डवत प्रणाम। ज्यों प्रभुपाद दहाड़े गुरुवर वैसे आप गरजते हैं! श्री वृन्दावन चन्द्र दासजी शिक्षागुरु हमारे हैं, प्रभुपाद के शेर शिष्य जो सारे जग से न्यारे हैं। ☺️👍👌📖
@Vrajajana Ranjana Das its really a shameful statement. you people don't have any proof that Srila Prabhupada has made any guru after him so this doesn't means that you will point out the authenticity of Srila Prabhupada himself who is the General of Sri Chaitnya Mahaprabhu, this is how you will prove this prabhu ji ?
@UCYSPdZsk-HtUV5HZOKIB45w Hare Krishna prabhuji 🙏 Shri chaitanya mahaprabhu ne kaha tha ki tum sab guru bano, lekin aapne iska ye matlab kese nikaal liya ki woh "Diksha guru" banane ke liye kah rahe hai. Kyunki agar woh Diksha guru banane ke liye keh rahe the toh phir Srila Prabhupada ke 5000 hajar dikshit shiyse the uss samay, toh sabhi ko Diksha guru banjana chahiye tha, par esa nahi hai kyunki yaha chaitanya mahaprabhu "path padarshak guru" ya phir "shiksha guru" banane ke liye kah rahe hai, kripya misinterpretation se bache. Kyunki Srila Prabhupada ne "Diksha guru" ke liye ye kaha hai: “When one has attained the topmost position of mahā-bhāgavata, he is to be accepted as a guru and worshiped exactly like Hari, the Personality of Godhead. Only such a person is eligible to occupy the post of a guru.” (Cc. Madhya-līlā, 24.330, purport) “One should take initiation from a bona fide spiritual master coming in the disciplic succession WHO IS AUTHORISED BY HIS PREDECESSOR SPIRITUAL MASTER. This is called dīkṣā-vidhana.” (SB, 4.8.54, purport) ye dikhata hai ki ye manodharma hai ki chaitanya mahaprabhu "Diksha guru" banane ke liye agaya de rahe hai.
@Vrajajana Ranjana Das or aapka dusara tark ki Srila Prabhupadaji ko unke guru ne authorise nahi kiya tha, ye bhi galat hai. Kyunki jab Srila bhaktisiddanta Saraswati thakur goswami Prabhupada apni Leela aprakat karne wale the tab unke shisyo ne unse pucha tha ki apke baad agle acharaya kon hoge or Diksha kese di jayegi, iss prasn par unhone kaha tha ki "unke shisyo ko ek GBC body ka ghatan karna chahiye or prachar karna chahiye or unke shisyo me se hi ek swayam prakashit acharaya nikal ke ayenge " Srila Prabhupada ke activities se ye siddha hota hai ki ve hi "swayam prakashit" acharya hai jinke bare me Srila bhaktisiddanta Saraswati thakur goswami Prabhupada kah rahe the. Indian man (1): When did you began to become the spiritual leader of Kṛṣṇa consciousness? Prabhupāda: What is that? Brahmānanda: He's asking when did you become the spiritual leader of Kṛṣṇa consciousness? Prabhupāda: When my Guru Mahārāja ordered me. This is the guru-paramparā. Indian man (1): Did he just . . . Prabhupāda: Try to understand. Don't go very speedily. A guru can become guru when he's ordered by his guru. That's all. Otherwise nobody can become guru. BG Lecture 28/10/1975.
Prabhu ji iskcon Wale abhi political ho gaya hai, sab bjp ko support karte hain, jab ki edhar sab galat kaam karta hai , koi kangs hai koi ravan koi duryodhan, toh hum kaise political party ko support kar sakte hai ?? Iskcon ka vinas ho jayega Aisa karega toh , App mujhe ekdam sacha guru lagte ho app hi kuch kariye 🙏🙏 hare Krishna 🙏
Hare Krishna Guruji dandwat prenam AGTSP PAMHO Very very very excellent श्री भक्तिवेदांत स्वामी ठाकुर श्री प्रभुपाद की जय श्री वृंदावन चंद्र दास गुरु जी की जय जय गौर हरी हरी हरी बोल हरे कृष्ण हरे कृष्ण कृष्ण कृष्ण हरे हरे हरे राम हरे राम राम राम हरे हरे धन्यवाद गुरुजी
Hare Krishna Guruji Dandvat Pranam aap bilkul sahi ho Maine dekhi kitni hate comments aayi aur aane waali hain par aap Unhe choro aap bas datte rahi hain Srila Prabhupada hi hain asli Diksha Aur Shiksha guru Jai Srila Prabhupada
Hare Krishna Prabhuji Dandvat Pranams. I just want to humbly ask few questions regarding Ritvik System: 1. HH BhaktiSiddhant Sarasvati Maharaj said: It is ashastric to say that there are no parampara Gurus left on the planet. Talking in that sense, taking Diksha from Shirla Prabhupada who has already left this planet and recides in Lord's eternal abode contradicts the statement. (Gaudiya Sampradaya being the one where Lord himself appeared as Shri Chaitanya Mahaprabhu should definitely have an initiating Guru on the planet) 2. Talking from the general point of view: A great teacher is someone who leads by example and creates many-many more teachers to carry on their legacy. Since we all agree that Shirla Prabhupada always lead from the front therefore, If one is following Ritvik Parampara, they have already negated Shirla Prabhupada, as they believe that Shirla Prabhupada was not a great teacher as he did not give authority to his students to be a teacher.
I want full clip of this video. And I want prabhupada will, that prabhupada said shikha guru is my under. I find in google that prabhupada will, but I can't get that last point of prabhupada said about initiation so please give me pdf of this last letter
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Prabhupada ji diksha kaise denge if he is not physically present now...how he will give diksha to us...how he gonna give me new name..how he gonna ask me questions while initiation
Hare Krishna prabhuji. Dandavat pranam. Thank you for your message about Diksha Guru and it's insight. This is all HDG Srila prabhupad's sweat and blood and hard work with 100% purity who was picked up by Krishna and sent here to straighten and make us eligible to go back to him. I am also in one of those to accept from the bottom of my heart as Prabhupada is only Diksha Guru and say loudly against any odds of what the world says.
Hare Krishna Prabhu ji धन्यवाद प्रभुजी आपनेयह सच बताने केलिए । मैं ISKCON मुंबई में एक प्रभुजी से मिला उन्होंने भी यहींकहा कि आप इनचक्करों में मत पड़ों आप तो भक्ति करो हमेशा बात को टालतेरहे और एक दिन बोले यह सब अंदर की बातें हैं इससे क्या फ़र्क़ पड़ता हैं आप तो मन्दिर आते जाओं और भक्ति करो आज मैंने आपका यह video देखा और एक प्रभुजी से बात हुई तो उन्होंने मुझे 9 जुलाई 1977 का letter भेजा मैंने उस letter को ISKCON के प्रभुजी को दिखाया तो उन्होंने यह कहकर टाल दिया अभी मैं bussy हूँ फिर मैंने दूसरे प्रभुजी से पूछा तो उन्होंने भी यहीं कहा अभी मेरे को सेवा के लिए जाना है फिर मैंने एक और प्रभुजी पूछा कि प्रभुपादजी ने किसी को दीक्षा गुरु बनायाहै तो उसका लिखित में प्रमाण है उन्होंने भी कोई answer नहीं दिया Thanks Prabhu ji aapne hame bacha liya Aapke liye Hari Bol
Garu ji केवल भक्ति से कुछ नहीं होता केवल नाम लेने से परेशानियां दुर नहीं होती उदाहरण क्या भक्ति से रोजगार प्राप्ति हो जाऐगी जवानी को भक्ति मे नही कार्य मे लगाना चाहिए पैसा ही आज की आवश्यकता है कभी समाज मे आकर देखीऐ भगवान के नाम से कुछ नहीं हो ता केवल बैठक उपदेश देना आसान है
@felix अगर आपकी बात सही होती तो में तुम्हारा इस विडियो में ये कमेंट nhi padh raha hota ya आप yr video nhi dekh rahe होते भक्ति से सब कुछ संभव है ये बात अज्ञानी कभी स्वीकार nhi करेंगे, आप other wise na le prabhu आप god कॉन्सियस hai i know or आप भगवान में पूर्ण भरोसा रखे , जहा तक बात रोजगार की है तो आपको खाने को रोज मिल रहा है जिससे आप जीवित है और आपका रोजगार भगवान को प्लीज (खुश)करना है न की किसी सरकार की सेवा करना ,बाकी सब अपने कर्म से है आपको तो जन्म मृत्यू जरा व्याधि का ज्ञान होगा ही फिर क्या रोजगार का पिटारा bja rahe ho prabhu 😀
@@Felix-hj6eh apko mai nhi janti but ye meri life ka personal experience hai k bhakti ne meri poori zindgi bdl di mera Nazariya bdl dia bhakti se sb smbhav hai.. aj jo sukoon ki zindgi mai jee rhi hu wo sirf mere Radhakrishna ki wjh se hua hai.😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭
Hare Krishna dandvat pranam, GIVE is True ISKCON because in GIVE, the instructions of Srila Prabhupada ji are followed properly. Thank you for sharing this video. Thank you for saving all those souls who want to follow Srila Prabhupada ji sincerely. Srila Prabhupada ji ki jai ! Sri Vrindavanchandra Das ji ki Jai!
Hari bol 🌹🌹🙏🙏 sabhi bhakt jano ko dandvat pranam Jai Ho bhakti vedant thakur Swami shril Prabhupada ji ki 🙏🙏🌹🌹 hare Krishna guru ji dandvat pranam Satya kaha hai Guru ji ne parampara ka palan karna hi gurupadashraya hai Hare Krishna 🙏🙏
Hare Krishna guruji dandvat pranam 🌼🌷🌼🌷🌼🌷🙏🏻🙏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻🙇🏻♂️🙇🏻♂️🙇🏻♂️🙇🏻♂️ shrila prabhupad ji ke bad ydi koi satya bolta hai to vo level ap hai.apke sri charno me dandvat pranam 🌷👏🏻👏🏻🌷👏🏻🌷🌷
Hare Krishna prabhuji i was in devotee association and whenever I asked them about ritwik system they used to say that Ritwiks are like Eklavya ,they used to say living guru is needed to correct our mistakes but i was never satisfied with their answers Thank God i left them His divine Grace AC Bhaktivedanta swami srila Prabhupada and krsna saved me 🙇🏻♀️🙇🏻♀️
hare krishna, living guru is needed to monitor your day to day sadhna bhakti, Srila Prabhupada made temple presidents and GBC to see that function. Srila Prabhupada said - This is the function of the GBC, to see that one may not be taken away by maya. The GBC should all be the instructor gurus. I am in the initiator guru, and you should be the instructor guru by teaching what I am teaching and doing what I am doing. This is not a title, but you must actually come to this platform. This I want. Letter to Madhudvisa -- Detroit 4 August, 1975 . Later on in 1977 Srila Prabhupada finally executed this , He remained as the diksha guru and made ritviks to act on his behalf and the other authorities are told to be shiksha gurus. But unfortunately current leaders of ISKCON is not following this order of Srila Prabhupada
गुरुदेव आपको दंडवत प्रणाम। प्रभुपाद के जिस लेटर में आपने यह स्टेटमेंट पढ़ा है, उसका डिटेल मुझे चाहिए। नोट:- वह पत्र किसको और किस तारीख को लिखे थे और केवल वही दीक्षा गुरु रहेंगे बाकी सभी शिक्षा गुरु रहेंगे। उनके गुरु ने उन्हें यह निर्देश दिए थे कि किसी एक गुरु को नहीं बल्कि गुरुओं का एक समूह (GBC)बनाने के लिए कहा था ताकि इस्कॉन को सुदृढ़ बनाया जा सके। श्रीला प्रभुपाद जी यह भी कहे थे कि अगर किसी को मुझपर श्रद्धा हो और GBC पर नहीं हो तो वह मिथ्याचारी है।
@@RadhaRamanDas155 hare Krishna prabhuji 🙏 this is conversation with GBC from 28 may 1977, it is not a letter. The letter which Srila Prabhupada issued as an order for future initiations is from 9 July 1977.
हरे कृष्ण रवि कुमार जी - यह वो conversation ओर letter हैं जो इस तथ्य को सही साबित करते हैं - 28th May Conversation - Satsvarupa: Then our next question concerns initiations in the future, particularly at that time when you are no longer with us. We want to know how first and second initiations will be conducted. Srila Prabhupada: Yes. I shall recommend some of you. After this is settled up. I shall recommend some of you to act as officiating acarya. Tamala Krishna: Is that called ritvik-acarya? Srila Prabhupada: Ritvik. Yes. ROOM CONVERSATION July 7th, 1977, Våndävana Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Those are their favorite words. Śrīla Prabhupāda? We're receiving a number of letters now, and these are people who want to get initiated. So up until now, since your becoming ill, we asked them to wait. Prabhupāda: The local, mean, senior sannyāsīs can do that. Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: That's what we were doing . . . I mean, formerly we were . . . the local GBC, sannyāsīs, were chanting on their beads, and they were writing to Your Divine Grace, and you were giving a spiritual name. So should that process be resumed, or should we . . .? I mean, one thing is that it's said that the spiritual master takes on the . . . You know, he takes on the . . . he has to cleanse the disciple by . . . so we don't want that you should have to . . . your health is not so good, so that should not be . . . that's why we've been asking everybody to wait. I just want to know if we should continue to wait some more time. Prabhupāda: No, the senior sannyāsīs . . . Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: So they should continue to . . . Prabhupāda: You can give me a list of sannyāsīs. I will mark who will . . . Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Okay. Prabhupāda: You can do. Kīrtanānanda can do. And our Satsvarūpa can do. So these three, you can give, begin. Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: So supposing someone is in America, should they simply write directly to Kīrtanānanda or Satsvarūpa? Prabhupāda: Nearby. Jayatīrtha can give. Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Jayatīrtha. Prabhupāda: Bhavānan . . . er, Bhagavān. And he can do also. Harikeśa. Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Harikeśa Mahārāja. Prabhupāda: And . . . five, six men, you divide who is nearest. Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Who is nearest. So persons wouldn't have to write to Your Divine Grace. They could write directly to that person? Prabhupāda: Hmm. Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Actually they are initiating the person on Your Divine Grace's behalf. Those persons who are initiated are still your . . . Prabhupāda: Second initiation we shall think over, second initiation. Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: This is for first initiation. Okay. And for second initiation, for the time being they should . . . Prabhupāda: No, they have to wait. Second initiation, that should be given . . . Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Should . . . some devotees are writing you now for second initiation, and I'm writing them to wait a while because you're not well. So can I continue to tell them that? Prabhupāda: They can do second initiation. Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: By writing you. Prabhupāda: No. These men. Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: These men, they can also do second initiation. So there's no need for devotees to write to you for first and second initiation. They can write to the man nearest them. But all these persons are still your disciples. Anybody who gives initiation is doing so on your behalf. Prabhupāda: Yes. Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: You know that book I'm maintaining of all of your disciples' names? Should I continue that? Prabhupāda: Hmm. Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: So if someone gives initiation, like Harikeśa Mahārāja, he should send the person's name to us here, and I'll enter it in the book. Okay. Is there someone else in India that you want to do this? Prabhupāda: India, I am here. We shall see. In India, Jayapatākā. Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Jayapatākā Mahārāja. Prabhupāda: You are also in India. Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Yes. Prabhupāda: You can note down these names. Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Yes, I have them. Prabhupāda: Who are they? Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Kīrtanānanda Mahārāja, Satsvarūpa Mahārāja, Jayatīrtha Prabhu, Bhagavān Prabhu, Harikeśa Mahārāja, Jayapatākā Mahārāja and Tamāla Kṛṣṇa Mahārāja. Prabhupāda: That's nice. Now you distribute. Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Seven. There's seven names. Prabhupāda: For the time being, seven names, sufficient. You can make Rāmeśvara. Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Rāmeśvara Mahārāja. Prabhupāda: And Hṛdayānanda. Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Oh, yeah. South America. Prabhupāda: So without waiting for me, wherever you consider it is right . . . that will depend on discretion. Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: On discretion. Prabhupāda: Yes. Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: That's for first and second initiations. Prabhupāda: Hmm. Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Okay. Shall I send a kīrtana party, Śrīla Prabhupāda? (end) AFter this Srila Prabhupada issued this letter on 9th july 1977 Letter to: All G.B.C., All Temple Presidents - Vrindaban 9 July, 1977 To All G.B.C., and Temple Presidents Dear Maharajas and Prabhus, Please accept my humble obeisances at your feet. Recently when all of the GBC members were with His Divine Grace in Vrndavana, Srila Prabhupada indicated that soon He would appoint some of His senior disciples to act as “ritvik-representative of the acarya, for the purpose of performing initiations, both first initiation and second initiation. His Divine Grace has so far given a list of eleven disciples who will act in that capacity: His Holiness Kirtanananda Swami His Holiness Satsvarupa dasa Gosvami His Holiness Jayapataka Swami His Holiness Tamala Krsna Gosvami His Holiness Hrdayananda Gosvami His Holiness Bhavananda Gosvami His Holiness Hamsaduta Swami His Holiness Ramesvara Swami His Holiness Harikesa Swami His Grace Bhagavan dasa Adhikari His Grace Jayatirtha dasa Adhikari In the past Temple Presidents have written to Srila Prabhupada recommending a particular devotee’s initiation. Now that Srila Prabhupada has named these representatives, Temple Presidents may henceforward send recommendation for first and second initiation to whichever of these eleven representatives are nearest their temple. After considering the recommendation, these representatives may accept the devotee as an initiated disciple of Srila Prabhupada by giving a spiritual name, or in the case of second initiation, by chanting on the Gayatri thread, just as Srila Prabhupada has done. The newly initiated devotees are disciples of His Divine Grace A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupad, the above eleven senior devotees acting as His representative. After the Temple President receives a letter from these representatives giving the spiritual name or the thread, he can perform the fire yajna in the temple as was being done before. The name of a newly initiated disciple should be sent by the representative who has accepted him or her to Srila Prabhupada, to be included in His Divine Grace’s “Initiated Disciples” book. Hoping this finds you all well. Your servant, Tamala Krsna Gosvami Approved: A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami [Srila Prabhupada’s signature appears on the original]
@@RadhaRamanDas155 28th May Conversation - Satsvarupa: Then our next question concerns initiations in the future, particularly at that time when you are no longer with us. We want to know how first and second initiations will be conducted. Srila Prabhupada: Yes. I shall recommend some of you. After this is settled up. I shall recommend some of you to act as officiating acarya. Tamala Krishna: Is that called ritvik-acarya? Srila Prabhupada: Ritvik. Yes. ROOM CONVERSATION July 7th, 1977, Våndävana Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Those are their favorite words. Śrīla Prabhupāda? We're receiving a number of letters now, and these are people who want to get initiated. So up until now, since your becoming ill, we asked them to wait. Prabhupāda: The local, mean, senior sannyāsīs can do that. Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: That's what we were doing . . . I mean, formerly we were . . . the local GBC, sannyāsīs, were chanting on their beads, and they were writing to Your Divine Grace, and you were giving a spiritual name. So should that process be resumed, or should we . . .? I mean, one thing is that it's said that the spiritual master takes on the . . . You know, he takes on the . . . he has to cleanse the disciple by . . . so we don't want that you should have to . . . your health is not so good, so that should not be . . . that's why we've been asking everybody to wait. I just want to know if we should continue to wait some more time. Prabhupāda: No, the senior sannyāsīs . . . Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: So they should continue to . . . Prabhupāda: You can give me a list of sannyāsīs. I will mark who will . . . Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Okay. Prabhupāda: You can do. Kīrtanānanda can do. And our Satsvarūpa can do. So these three, you can give, begin. Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: So supposing someone is in America, should they simply write directly to Kīrtanānanda or Satsvarūpa? Prabhupāda: Nearby. Jayatīrtha can give. Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Jayatīrtha. Prabhupāda: Bhavānan . . . er, Bhagavān. And he can do also. Harikeśa. Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Harikeśa Mahārāja. Prabhupāda: And . . . five, six men, you divide who is nearest. Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Who is nearest. So persons wouldn't have to write to Your Divine Grace. They could write directly to that person? Prabhupāda: Hmm. Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Actually they are initiating the person on Your Divine Grace's behalf. Those persons who are initiated are still your . . . Prabhupāda: Second initiation we shall think over, second initiation. Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: This is for first initiation. Okay. And for second initiation, for the time being they should . . . Prabhupāda: No, they have to wait. Second initiation, that should be given . . . Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Should . . . some devotees are writing you now for second initiation, and I'm writing them to wait a while because you're not well. So can I continue to tell them that? Prabhupāda: They can do second initiation. Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: By writing you. Prabhupāda: No. These men. Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: These men, they can also do second initiation. So there's no need for devotees to write to you for first and second initiation. They can write to the man nearest them. But all these persons are still your disciples. Anybody who gives initiation is doing so on your behalf. Prabhupāda: Yes. Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: You know that book I'm maintaining of all of your disciples' names? Should I continue that? Prabhupāda: Hmm. Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: So if someone gives initiation, like Harikeśa Mahārāja, he should send the person's name to us here, and I'll enter it in the book. Okay. Is there someone else in India that you want to do this? Prabhupāda: India, I am here. We shall see. In India, Jayapatākā. Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Jayapatākā Mahārāja. Prabhupāda: You are also in India. Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Yes. Prabhupāda: You can note down these names. Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Yes, I have them. Prabhupāda: Who are they? Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Kīrtanānanda Mahārāja, Satsvarūpa Mahārāja, Jayatīrtha Prabhu, Bhagavān Prabhu, Harikeśa Mahārāja, Jayapatākā Mahārāja and Tamāla Kṛṣṇa Mahārāja. Prabhupāda: That's nice. Now you distribute. Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Seven. There's seven names. Prabhupāda: For the time being, seven names, sufficient. You can make Rāmeśvara. Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Rāmeśvara Mahārāja. Prabhupāda: And Hṛdayānanda. Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Oh, yeah. South America. Prabhupāda: So without waiting for me, wherever you consider it is right . . . that will depend on discretion. Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: On discretion. Prabhupāda: Yes. Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: That's for first and second initiations. Prabhupāda: Hmm. Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Okay. Shall I send a kīrtana party, Śrīla Prabhupāda? (end) AFter this Srila Prabhupada issued this letter on 9th july 1977 Letter to: All G.B.C., All Temple Presidents - Vrindaban 9 July, 1977 To All G.B.C., and Temple Presidents Dear Maharajas and Prabhus, Please accept my humble obeisances at your feet. Recently when all of the GBC members were with His Divine Grace in Vrndavana, Srila Prabhupada indicated that soon He would appoint some of His senior disciples to act as “ritvik-representative of the acarya, for the purpose of performing initiations, both first initiation and second initiation. His Divine Grace has so far given a list of eleven disciples who will act in that capacity: His Holiness Kirtanananda Swami His Holiness Satsvarupa dasa Gosvami His Holiness Jayapataka Swami His Holiness Tamala Krsna Gosvami His Holiness Hrdayananda Gosvami His Holiness Bhavananda Gosvami His Holiness Hamsaduta Swami His Holiness Ramesvara Swami His Holiness Harikesa Swami His Grace Bhagavan dasa Adhikari His Grace Jayatirtha dasa Adhikari In the past Temple Presidents have written to Srila Prabhupada recommending a particular devotee’s initiation. Now that Srila Prabhupada has named these representatives, Temple Presidents may henceforward send recommendation for first and second initiation to whichever of these eleven representatives are nearest their temple. After considering the recommendation, these representatives may accept the devotee as an initiated disciple of Srila Prabhupada by giving a spiritual name, or in the case of second initiation, by chanting on the Gayatri thread, just as Srila Prabhupada has done. The newly initiated devotees are disciples of His Divine Grace A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupad, the above eleven senior devotees acting as His representative. After the Temple President receives a letter from these representatives giving the spiritual name or the thread, he can perform the fire yajna in the temple as was being done before. The name of a newly initiated disciple should be sent by the representative who has accepted him or her to Srila Prabhupada, to be included in His Divine Grace’s “Initiated Disciples” book. Hoping this finds you all well. Your servant, Tamala Krsna Gosvami Approved: A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami [Srila Prabhupada’s signature appears on the original]
HKP,PAMHO,AGTSP. Ritwik System is being followed since inception in ISKCON BANGLORE( AKSHAY PATRA) group of Temples. H.G is very true in his statements. Your Servant 🙏
@@ajinkya3768 Ideally Prabhupada is the only Siksha & Deeksha Guru, We all are reading what our beloved spiritual master has left for us. For us there is no authority over & above H.D.G Srila Prabhupada. 🙏 Ys
Yes Prabhu ji , during illness time of prabhupad g , prabhupad told to 4 different devotees , at 4 different occassion that , "you all are praying for my health to recover , but in other room , there are devotees praying for my death.". So that they can take position of guru. It was very hard for prabhupad to see this during his last time.
@@GIVEGITA i think in Prabhupada Lila Amrita book it is written and also one of the speaker of iskcon Bangalore said this during his lecture on Prabhupada last days of lila
आपका धन्यवाद करने के लिए मेरे पास शब्द नहीं है आपके GIVE GITA कोर्स ने मेरी लाइफ बदल दी मुझको हकीकत से बोध करा दिया गुरु जी आपका बहुत-बहुत धन्यवाद आपके श्री चरणों में सादर दंडवत प्रणाम🙏🌹🚩🔥
pehle ritwik muze samaj nahi aa raha tha,phir is video ke baad ab sab clear ho gaya hai hai,thanks for this video,apne Jo logics diye hai usse ritwik hi sahi hai aur Prabhupada ne bhi yahi kaha conversation mein uska bhi proof hai,now everything seems to be in line
हरे कृष्ण ! गुरुदेव के चरणकमलों में सादर दण्डवत प्रणाम। ज्यों प्रभुपाद दहाड़े गुरुवर वैसे आप गरजते हैं! श्री वृन्दावन चन्द्र दासजी शिक्षागुरु हमारे हैं, प्रभुपाद के शेर शिष्य जो सारे जग से न्यारे हैं। ☺️👍👌📖
@Vrajajana Ranjana Das its really a shameful statement. you people don't have any proof that Srila Prabhupada has made any guru after him so this doesn't means that you will point out the authenticity of Srila Prabhupada himself who is the General of Sri Chaitnya Mahaprabhu, this is how you will prove this prabhu ji ?
@UCYSPdZsk-HtUV5HZOKIB45w Hare Krishna prabhuji 🙏
Shri chaitanya mahaprabhu ne kaha tha ki tum sab guru bano, lekin aapne iska ye matlab kese nikaal liya ki woh "Diksha guru" banane ke liye kah rahe hai. Kyunki agar woh Diksha guru banane ke liye keh rahe the toh phir Srila Prabhupada ke 5000 hajar dikshit shiyse the uss samay, toh sabhi ko Diksha guru banjana chahiye tha, par esa nahi hai kyunki yaha chaitanya mahaprabhu "path padarshak guru" ya phir "shiksha guru" banane ke liye kah rahe hai, kripya misinterpretation se bache.
Kyunki Srila Prabhupada ne "Diksha guru" ke liye ye kaha hai:
“When one has attained the topmost position of mahā-bhāgavata, he is to be accepted as a guru and worshiped exactly like Hari, the Personality of Godhead. Only such a person is eligible to occupy the post of a guru.” (Cc. Madhya-līlā, 24.330, purport)
“One should take initiation from a bona fide spiritual master coming in the disciplic succession WHO IS AUTHORISED BY HIS PREDECESSOR SPIRITUAL MASTER. This is called dīkṣā-vidhana.” (SB, 4.8.54, purport)
ye dikhata hai ki ye manodharma hai ki chaitanya mahaprabhu "Diksha guru" banane ke liye agaya de rahe hai.
@Vrajajana Ranjana Das or aapka dusara tark ki Srila Prabhupadaji ko unke guru ne authorise nahi kiya tha, ye bhi galat hai. Kyunki jab Srila bhaktisiddanta Saraswati thakur goswami Prabhupada apni Leela aprakat karne wale the tab unke shisyo ne unse pucha tha ki apke baad agle acharaya kon hoge or Diksha kese di jayegi, iss prasn par unhone kaha tha ki "unke shisyo ko ek GBC body ka ghatan karna chahiye or prachar karna chahiye or unke shisyo me se hi ek swayam prakashit acharaya nikal ke ayenge " Srila Prabhupada ke activities se ye siddha hota hai ki ve hi "swayam prakashit" acharya hai jinke bare me Srila bhaktisiddanta Saraswati thakur goswami Prabhupada kah rahe the.
Indian man (1): When did you began to become the spiritual leader of Kṛṣṇa consciousness?
Prabhupāda: What is that?
Brahmānanda: He's asking when did you become the spiritual leader of Kṛṣṇa consciousness?
Prabhupāda: When my Guru Mahārāja ordered me. This is the guru-paramparā.
Indian man (1): Did he just . . .
Prabhupāda: Try to understand. Don't go very speedily. A guru can become guru when he's ordered by his guru. That's all. Otherwise nobody can become guru.
BG Lecture
28/10/1975.
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Prabhu ji iskcon Wale abhi political ho gaya hai, sab bjp ko support karte hain, jab ki edhar sab galat kaam karta hai , koi kangs hai koi ravan koi duryodhan, toh hum kaise political party ko support kar sakte hai ?? Iskcon ka vinas ho jayega Aisa karega toh ,
App mujhe ekdam sacha guru lagte ho app hi kuch kariye 🙏🙏 hare Krishna 🙏
Iskcon ka followers bad raha hai islie wo log andha bante ja raha hai
@@Samarkrsna ekdam perfect bol rahe ho aap prabhujii 🙏🙏
They are misusing of Prabhupada Philosophy or Prabhupada
@@Samarkrsna sahi kaha aapne Vrindavan Chandra Das ji Perfect guru hai.
@@MyGitaAshraya Hare Krishna prabhuji 🙏
हरे कृष्णा गुरुजी कोटि-कोटि प्रणाम प्रभुपाद की जय हरे कृष्णा प्रभु जी दंडवत प्रणाम
Hare Krishna Guruji dandwat prenam AGTSP PAMHO Very very very excellent श्री भक्तिवेदांत स्वामी ठाकुर श्री प्रभुपाद की जय श्री वृंदावन चंद्र दास गुरु जी की जय जय गौर हरी हरी हरी बोल
हरे कृष्ण हरे कृष्ण कृष्ण कृष्ण हरे हरे
हरे राम हरे राम राम राम हरे हरे धन्यवाद गुरुजी
Khud guruji kehlana chahta hai dusro se jalan hai
Satya ki hamesha jit hogi 🙏 guru Dev ji ki jai ho 🙏 Jai Gaura Hari 🙌
Jai Gaur hari hare Krishna guru ji Dandwat pranam bhaktivedant Swami thakur srila prabhupad ki jai 🙏🙏🙏PAMHO AGTSP 🙏🙏🙏
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Hare Krishna Guruji Kripa Kar Ke Dandwat Pranam Swikar Kare.
।। हरे कृष्ण हरे कृष्ण कृष्ण कृष्ण हरे हरे हरे राम हरे राम राम राम हरे हरे।।
Hare Krishna dandwat pranaam to all assembled devotees and guruji 🙏🏻🙏🏻 😍😍🙏🏻😍🙏🏻😍
Hare Krishna hare Krishna Krishna Krishna hare hare hare ram hare ram ram ram hare hare
Hare Krishna Guruji Dandvat Pranam aap bilkul sahi ho Maine dekhi kitni hate comments aayi aur aane waali hain par aap Unhe choro aap bas datte rahi hain Srila Prabhupada hi hain asli Diksha Aur Shiksha guru Jai Srila Prabhupada
Jay Srila Prabhupada 🙌🙌🙌 sahi kaha aapne prabhujii 🙏🙏
Jai Srila Prabhupad
Jai Shri Vrindaban Chandra Das Ji
Hare krishna Guruji dandwat pranam.
Jai Gaur Hari!
Jai shril prabhupad!
Hare Krishna Guruji Dandvat pranam 👏👏
Hare Krishna Dandvat Pranam to all devotees
Hari Krishna dandvat pranaam to all vaishnav vrunda 🌸🌸🌹🌹🍁🍁🌿🌿🙏🙏
Hare Krishna Prabhuji Dandvat Pranams. I just want to humbly ask few questions regarding Ritvik System:
1. HH BhaktiSiddhant Sarasvati Maharaj said: It is ashastric to say that there are no parampara Gurus left on the planet. Talking in that sense, taking Diksha from Shirla Prabhupada who has already left this planet and recides in Lord's eternal abode contradicts the statement. (Gaudiya Sampradaya being the one where Lord himself appeared as Shri Chaitanya Mahaprabhu should definitely have an initiating Guru on the planet)
2. Talking from the general point of view: A great teacher is someone who leads by example and creates many-many more teachers to carry on their legacy. Since we all agree that Shirla Prabhupada always lead from the front therefore, If one is following Ritvik Parampara, they have already negated Shirla Prabhupada, as they believe that Shirla Prabhupada was not a great teacher as he did not give authority to his students to be a teacher.
I want full clip of this video. And I want prabhupada will, that prabhupada said shikha guru is my under. I find in google that prabhupada will, but I can't get that last point of prabhupada said about initiation so please give me pdf of this last letter
Hare krishna prabhu ji 🙏 🙌
@@technicalkrish218 hare Krishna Prabhuji 🙏
If you want than you can contact on those number which is given in the end of video.
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Prabhupada is perfect
Prabhupada decipal is perfect
Trust to lord krishna
Trust to B.g. cheptor 4th. & sloka 1&2
And wait
hare krishna
Ap follow karo par apna guru SHRILA PRABHUPADA ko hi maniya🙂..... Hare krishna🙌
Iskcon ka followers bad raha hai, isliye iskcon wale andha ho gaya hai , aisa chalta raha toh iskcon ka vinas pakka. Hare Krishna 🙏
@@vishnut.v.1726 iskcon wale khud pagal hai 😂😂
@@vishnut.v.1726 usne bataya or app Mann bhi liya 🤣🤣🤣
Hare Krishna dandwat pranaam Guruji 🙏🏼🙏🙏🙏
Abb aai sacchai sabke saamne
❤️❤️❤️ hari bol
ISKCON ki Jai😎.
Please isckon ka senior devotees sa puchiya ya question vo answer nahi kar pay ga . Hare krishna prabhuji
Hare Krishna sant sadgurudev ke sadar charan kamlo me dandwat pranam
Hare Krishna 🙏 Jai Srila Prabhupad 🙏💐
Hare Krishna dandvat Pranam Guruji Hari Bol
हरे कृष्णा गुरु जी
Boht bhayankar himmat chahye esa video upload krne k lye
Hare Krishna Prabhu. Kripiya sab milke pray karte hai.
Prabhupada ji diksha kaise denge if he is not physically present now...how he will give diksha to us...how he gonna give me new name..how he gonna ask me questions while initiation
Hariiiiiiiiii Bollllllllllll
Shrila Prabhupada Ki Jai!
Shiksha Guru Shri Vrindavan Chandra Das Ji Ki Jai!🙏
Jai gaur Hari hare Krishna Dandwat pranam guruji very nice explanation thank you guruji jai shrila Prabhupad ji AGTSP PAMHO🙇♀️🙇♀️
Hare Krishna 🙏 prabhu ji DVPM 🙏
Hare Krishna prabhuji. Dandavat pranam. Thank you for your message about Diksha Guru and it's insight. This is all HDG Srila prabhupad's sweat and blood and hard work with 100% purity who was picked up by Krishna and sent here to straighten and make us eligible to go back to him. I am also in one of those to accept from the bottom of my heart as Prabhupada is only Diksha Guru and say loudly against any odds of what the world says.
Hare Krishna, Jai Gaur Hari 🙏🙏🙏
Hare Krishna Guruji Dandwat Pranam 🙌🙌🙏
Hari Bol 🙏🏻 Thanks Guruji for sharing the truth.
Truth 😅😅
Chikhne se Truth ho jae tab to kewal islam satya hai
Jai srila Prabhupada
yes guruji
Sahi kaha aap na
Hare Krishna to all respected devotees
Hare Krishna 🙏🏽
Hare krishna 🙏🙏,jai prabhupad,dandwat pranam prabhuji
Hare Krishna guruji dandwat pranam agtsp 🙏
Srila Prabhupad ki jai 🙏🙏 Anant koti vaishnav vrind ki jai 🙏🙏 Hara krishna gurudev ji koti koti pranaam 🙏🙏
Radha Radha ❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️🙏🙏
Jai Gaur Hari🙏🏻
Hare Krishna Prabhu ji
धन्यवाद प्रभुजी आपनेयह सच बताने केलिए । मैं ISKCON मुंबई में एक प्रभुजी से मिला उन्होंने भी यहींकहा कि आप इनचक्करों में मत पड़ों आप तो भक्ति करो हमेशा बात को टालतेरहे और एक दिन बोले यह सब अंदर की बातें हैं इससे क्या फ़र्क़ पड़ता हैं आप तो मन्दिर आते जाओं और भक्ति करो
आज मैंने आपका यह video देखा और एक प्रभुजी से बात हुई तो उन्होंने मुझे 9 जुलाई 1977 का letter भेजा
मैंने उस letter को ISKCON के प्रभुजी को दिखाया तो उन्होंने यह कहकर टाल दिया अभी मैं bussy हूँ फिर मैंने दूसरे प्रभुजी से पूछा तो उन्होंने भी यहीं कहा अभी मेरे को सेवा के लिए जाना है
फिर मैंने एक और प्रभुजी पूछा कि प्रभुपादजी ने किसी को दीक्षा गुरु बनायाहै तो उसका लिखित में प्रमाण है उन्होंने भी कोई answer नहीं दिया
Thanks Prabhu ji aapne hame bacha liya
Aapke liye Hari Bol
Garu ji
केवल भक्ति से कुछ नहीं होता
केवल नाम लेने से परेशानियां दुर नहीं होती
उदाहरण क्या भक्ति से रोजगार प्राप्ति हो जाऐगी
जवानी को भक्ति मे नही कार्य मे लगाना चाहिए
पैसा ही आज की आवश्यकता है
कभी समाज मे आकर देखीऐ
भगवान के नाम से कुछ नहीं हो ता
केवल बैठक उपदेश देना आसान है
@felix अगर आपकी बात सही होती तो में तुम्हारा इस विडियो में ये कमेंट nhi padh raha hota ya आप yr video nhi dekh rahe होते
भक्ति से सब कुछ संभव है ये बात अज्ञानी कभी स्वीकार nhi करेंगे, आप other wise na le prabhu आप god कॉन्सियस hai i know or आप भगवान में पूर्ण भरोसा रखे , जहा तक बात रोजगार की है तो आपको खाने को रोज मिल रहा है जिससे आप जीवित है और आपका रोजगार भगवान को प्लीज (खुश)करना है न की किसी सरकार की सेवा करना ,बाकी सब अपने कर्म से है आपको तो जन्म मृत्यू जरा व्याधि का ज्ञान होगा ही फिर क्या रोजगार का पिटारा bja rahe ho prabhu 😀
@@Felix-hj6eh ROT IN HELL ...SO SHALL YOU BE BLESSED WITH SUFFERING .....
@@Felix-hj6eh apko mai nhi janti but ye meri life ka personal experience hai k bhakti ne meri poori zindgi bdl di mera Nazariya bdl dia bhakti se sb smbhav hai.. aj jo sukoon ki zindgi mai jee rhi hu wo sirf mere Radhakrishna ki wjh se hua hai.😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭
@@BhajHariDasi7002 this guy is a Maya bot 😋
Hariiiiiiiiiiiiiii bol 🙏🙏😊🙇
Hare Krishna guru ji dandwat pranam 🙏🙇🙇🙇 Thanku so much guru ji for clearing about Ritvik system 🙏🙏😊😊
Prbhuji, prbhupad, ke guru ne prbhupad, ko diksha guru bnaya tha kya?
HareKrishna🌸😊🙏
Hare krishna
Hare krishna, Zabardast
Bhaktivedant swami thakur srila prabhupad ki jai 💐🌺❤🌿⚘⚘🌹......hare Krishna ❤
Very nicely explained Prabhu ji ❤️
Vancha kalptaru va aiv cha kripa sindhu aiv cha patitanam pavne bhayo vaishnavebhyo namo namah 🙇🙇
Hare Krishna dandvat pranam, GIVE is True ISKCON because in GIVE, the instructions of Srila Prabhupada ji are followed properly. Thank you for sharing this video. Thank you for saving all those souls who want to follow Srila Prabhupada ji sincerely. Srila Prabhupada ji ki jai ! Sri Vrindavanchandra Das ji ki Jai!
Hare krishna guruji mataji dandwat pranam jai srila Prabhupadji hari bol hari bol🙏🙏
Hari bol 🌹🌹🙏🙏 sabhi bhakt jano ko dandvat pranam Jai Ho bhakti vedant thakur Swami shril Prabhupada ji ki 🙏🙏🌹🌹 hare Krishna guru ji dandvat pranam Satya kaha hai Guru ji ne parampara ka palan karna hi gurupadashraya hai
Hare Krishna 🙏🙏
Hare Krishna guruji dandvat pranam 🌼🌷🌼🌷🌼🌷🙏🏻🙏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻🙇🏻♂️🙇🏻♂️🙇🏻♂️🙇🏻♂️ shrila prabhupad ji ke bad ydi koi satya bolta hai to vo level ap hai.apke sri charno me dandvat pranam 🌷👏🏻👏🏻🌷👏🏻🌷🌷
Prabhupad ne..... Apne hote hue Gopal krishna Goswami maharaj ko Guru hone keliye agyan diya tha🤗🤗
Kahi letter hai to aap bej dijiye give mai
Which specifically mentions that HH gopal krsna maharaj ji would be an initatior guru
Jai gaur hari hare Krishna 🙇
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GIVE=The Real iskcon.....thankyou Guruji dandwat pranam 🙌
🌻Jai Srila Prabhupad🌻
Correct guru ji
Dandwat pranam
guruji ham aapke saath
Hari Hari bol
All glories to srila Prabhupada 🙏
Hare Krishna guruji 🙏
Dandwat pranam
Great lecture
Jai shree Krishna💞
Radhe Radhe ji 💞
Hare Krishna Hare Krishna Krishna Krishna Hare Hare Hare Rama Hare Rama Rama Rama Hare Hare 🙏❣️
Jai Gaur Hari
Hare krishna
Dandwat Pranam Guruji
Jai Srila Prabhupada Ji
Apka bhut bhut Dhanyawad Guruji
Dandwat Pranam Srila Prabhupada Ji
।।❤️❤️🙏🙏 जय श्रील प्रभुपाद ❤️❤️🙏🙏।।
Thanks for this
Hare Krishna prabhuji i was in devotee association and whenever I asked them about ritwik system they used to say that Ritwiks are like Eklavya ,they used to say living guru is needed to correct our mistakes but i was never satisfied with their answers
Thank God i left them
His divine Grace AC Bhaktivedanta swami srila Prabhupada and krsna saved me 🙇🏻♀️🙇🏻♀️
hare krishna, living guru is needed to monitor your day to day sadhna bhakti, Srila Prabhupada made temple presidents and GBC to see that function. Srila Prabhupada said - This is the function of the GBC, to see that one may not be taken away by maya. The GBC should all be the instructor gurus. I am in the initiator guru, and you should be the instructor guru by teaching what I am teaching and doing what I am doing. This is not a title, but you must actually come to this platform. This I want. Letter to Madhudvisa -- Detroit 4 August, 1975 . Later on in 1977 Srila Prabhupada finally executed this , He remained as the diksha guru and made ritviks to act on his behalf and the other authorities are told to be shiksha gurus. But unfortunately current leaders of ISKCON is not following this order of Srila Prabhupada
@@GIVEGITA thank you for the answer 🙇🏻♀️🙇🏻♀️
Hare Krishna 🙏 jai parbhupad ki jai ho
Srila prabhupada ki jai. Hare Krishna.
Hari bol 🖤
Jay. Gour Hari 🙏
Hare Krishna hare Krishna Krishna Krishna hare hare hare ram hare ram ram ram hare hare 🙏☘🏵🥀🌷⚘💐💮🌹🌹🌾🌹🌾🌹🌹🌺⚘⚘⚘🌸🌸🌸
Hari Bol ❤️🙏🏻❤️
Hare Krishna Gurudev 💕❤️
Jay gour hari 🙏🙏🙏
hare Krishna 🙌
Gurudev ki jai ho prbhupad ki jai ho 🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻
Hare Krishna prabhuji
vancha-kalpatarubhyash cha
kripa-sindhubhya eva cha
patitanam pavanebhyo
vaishnavebhyo namo namaha 🌸🌸🙏🏻
হরে কৃষা প্রভু🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏
गुरुदेव आपको दंडवत प्रणाम।
प्रभुपाद के जिस लेटर में आपने यह स्टेटमेंट पढ़ा है, उसका डिटेल मुझे चाहिए।
नोट:- वह पत्र किसको और किस तारीख को लिखे थे और केवल वही दीक्षा गुरु रहेंगे बाकी सभी शिक्षा गुरु रहेंगे।
उनके गुरु ने उन्हें यह निर्देश दिए थे कि किसी एक गुरु को नहीं बल्कि गुरुओं का एक समूह (GBC)बनाने के लिए कहा था ताकि इस्कॉन को सुदृढ़ बनाया जा सके।
श्रीला प्रभुपाद जी यह भी कहे थे कि अगर किसी को मुझपर श्रद्धा हो और GBC पर नहीं हो तो वह मिथ्याचारी है।
प्रभुजी मैंने गूगल पर लेटर्स को सर्च किया परंतु यह नहीं मिला।
आप हमें सोर्स बताइए।
@@RadhaRamanDas155 hare Krishna prabhuji 🙏 this is conversation with GBC from 28 may 1977, it is not a letter.
The letter which Srila Prabhupada issued as an order for future initiations is from 9 July 1977.
हरे कृष्ण रवि कुमार जी - यह वो conversation ओर letter हैं जो इस तथ्य को सही साबित करते हैं -
28th May Conversation -
Satsvarupa: Then our next question concerns initiations in the future, particularly at that time when you are no longer with us. We want to know how first and second initiations will be conducted.
Srila Prabhupada: Yes. I shall recommend some of you. After this is settled up. I shall recommend some of you to act as officiating acarya.
Tamala Krishna: Is that called ritvik-acarya?
Srila Prabhupada: Ritvik. Yes.
ROOM CONVERSATION July 7th, 1977, Våndävana
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Those are their favorite words. Śrīla Prabhupāda? We're receiving a number of letters now, and these are people who want to get initiated. So up until now, since your becoming ill, we asked them to wait.
Prabhupāda: The local, mean, senior sannyāsīs can do that.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: That's what we were doing . . . I mean, formerly we were . . . the local GBC, sannyāsīs, were chanting on their beads, and they were writing to Your Divine Grace, and you were giving a spiritual name. So should that process be resumed, or should we . . .? I mean, one thing is that it's said that the spiritual master takes on the . . . You know, he takes on the . . . he has to cleanse the disciple by . . . so we don't want that you should have to . . . your health is not so good, so that should not be . . . that's why we've been asking everybody to wait. I just want to know if we should continue to wait some more time.
Prabhupāda: No, the senior sannyāsīs . . .
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: So they should continue to . . .
Prabhupāda: You can give me a list of sannyāsīs. I will mark who will . . .
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Okay.
Prabhupāda: You can do. Kīrtanānanda can do. And our Satsvarūpa can do. So these three, you can give, begin.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: So supposing someone is in America, should they simply write directly to Kīrtanānanda or Satsvarūpa?
Prabhupāda: Nearby. Jayatīrtha can give.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Jayatīrtha.
Prabhupāda: Bhavānan . . . er, Bhagavān. And he can do also. Harikeśa.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Harikeśa Mahārāja.
Prabhupāda: And . . . five, six men, you divide who is nearest.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Who is nearest. So persons wouldn't have to write to Your Divine Grace. They could write directly to that person?
Prabhupāda: Hmm.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Actually they are initiating the person on Your Divine Grace's behalf. Those persons who are initiated are still your . . .
Prabhupāda: Second initiation we shall think over, second initiation.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: This is for first initiation. Okay. And for second initiation, for the time being they should . . .
Prabhupāda: No, they have to wait. Second initiation, that should be given . . .
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Should . . . some devotees are writing you now for second initiation, and I'm writing them to wait a while because you're not well. So can I continue to tell them that?
Prabhupāda: They can do second initiation.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: By writing you.
Prabhupāda: No. These men.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: These men, they can also do second initiation. So there's no need for devotees to write to you for first and second initiation. They can write to the man nearest them. But all these persons are still your disciples. Anybody who gives initiation is doing so on your behalf.
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: You know that book I'm maintaining of all of your disciples' names? Should I continue that?
Prabhupāda: Hmm.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: So if someone gives initiation, like Harikeśa Mahārāja, he should send the person's name to us here, and I'll enter it in the book. Okay. Is there someone else in India that you want to do this?
Prabhupāda: India, I am here. We shall see. In India, Jayapatākā.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Jayapatākā Mahārāja.
Prabhupāda: You are also in India.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Yes.
Prabhupāda: You can note down these names.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Yes, I have them.
Prabhupāda: Who are they?
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Kīrtanānanda Mahārāja, Satsvarūpa Mahārāja, Jayatīrtha Prabhu, Bhagavān Prabhu, Harikeśa Mahārāja, Jayapatākā Mahārāja and Tamāla Kṛṣṇa Mahārāja.
Prabhupāda: That's nice. Now you distribute.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Seven. There's seven names.
Prabhupāda: For the time being, seven names, sufficient. You can make Rāmeśvara.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Rāmeśvara Mahārāja.
Prabhupāda: And Hṛdayānanda.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Oh, yeah. South America.
Prabhupāda: So without waiting for me, wherever you consider it is right . . . that will depend on discretion.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: On discretion.
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: That's for first and second initiations.
Prabhupāda: Hmm.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Okay. Shall I send a kīrtana party, Śrīla Prabhupāda? (end)
AFter this Srila Prabhupada issued this letter on 9th july 1977
Letter to: All G.B.C., All Temple Presidents
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Vrindaban
9 July, 1977
To All G.B.C., and Temple Presidents
Dear Maharajas and Prabhus,
Please accept my humble obeisances at your feet. Recently when all of the GBC members were with His Divine Grace in Vrndavana, Srila Prabhupada indicated that soon He would appoint some of His senior disciples to act as “ritvik-representative of the acarya, for the purpose of performing initiations, both first initiation and second initiation. His Divine Grace has so far given a list of eleven disciples who will act in that capacity:
His Holiness Kirtanananda Swami
His Holiness Satsvarupa dasa Gosvami
His Holiness Jayapataka Swami
His Holiness Tamala Krsna Gosvami
His Holiness Hrdayananda Gosvami
His Holiness Bhavananda Gosvami
His Holiness Hamsaduta Swami
His Holiness Ramesvara Swami
His Holiness Harikesa Swami
His Grace Bhagavan dasa Adhikari
His Grace Jayatirtha dasa Adhikari
In the past Temple Presidents have written to Srila Prabhupada recommending a particular devotee’s initiation. Now that Srila Prabhupada has named these representatives, Temple Presidents may henceforward send recommendation for first and second initiation to whichever of these eleven representatives are nearest their temple. After considering the recommendation, these representatives may accept the devotee as an initiated disciple of Srila Prabhupada by giving a spiritual name, or in the case of second initiation, by chanting on the Gayatri thread, just as Srila Prabhupada has done. The newly initiated devotees are disciples of His Divine Grace A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupad, the above eleven senior devotees acting as His representative. After the Temple President receives a letter from these representatives giving the spiritual name or the thread, he can perform the fire yajna in the temple as was being done before. The name of a newly initiated disciple should be sent by the representative who has accepted him or her to Srila Prabhupada, to be included in His Divine Grace’s “Initiated Disciples” book.
Hoping this finds you all well.
Your servant,
Tamala Krsna Gosvami
Approved: A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami
[Srila Prabhupada’s signature appears on the original]
@@RadhaRamanDas155
28th May Conversation -
Satsvarupa: Then our next question concerns initiations in the future, particularly at that time when you are no longer with us. We want to know how first and second initiations will be conducted.
Srila Prabhupada: Yes. I shall recommend some of you. After this is settled up. I shall recommend some of you to act as officiating acarya.
Tamala Krishna: Is that called ritvik-acarya?
Srila Prabhupada: Ritvik. Yes.
ROOM CONVERSATION July 7th, 1977, Våndävana
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Those are their favorite words. Śrīla Prabhupāda? We're receiving a number of letters now, and these are people who want to get initiated. So up until now, since your becoming ill, we asked them to wait.
Prabhupāda: The local, mean, senior sannyāsīs can do that.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: That's what we were doing . . . I mean, formerly we were . . . the local GBC, sannyāsīs, were chanting on their beads, and they were writing to Your Divine Grace, and you were giving a spiritual name. So should that process be resumed, or should we . . .? I mean, one thing is that it's said that the spiritual master takes on the . . . You know, he takes on the . . . he has to cleanse the disciple by . . . so we don't want that you should have to . . . your health is not so good, so that should not be . . . that's why we've been asking everybody to wait. I just want to know if we should continue to wait some more time.
Prabhupāda: No, the senior sannyāsīs . . .
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: So they should continue to . . .
Prabhupāda: You can give me a list of sannyāsīs. I will mark who will . . .
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Okay.
Prabhupāda: You can do. Kīrtanānanda can do. And our Satsvarūpa can do. So these three, you can give, begin.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: So supposing someone is in America, should they simply write directly to Kīrtanānanda or Satsvarūpa?
Prabhupāda: Nearby. Jayatīrtha can give.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Jayatīrtha.
Prabhupāda: Bhavānan . . . er, Bhagavān. And he can do also. Harikeśa.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Harikeśa Mahārāja.
Prabhupāda: And . . . five, six men, you divide who is nearest.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Who is nearest. So persons wouldn't have to write to Your Divine Grace. They could write directly to that person?
Prabhupāda: Hmm.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Actually they are initiating the person on Your Divine Grace's behalf. Those persons who are initiated are still your . . .
Prabhupāda: Second initiation we shall think over, second initiation.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: This is for first initiation. Okay. And for second initiation, for the time being they should . . .
Prabhupāda: No, they have to wait. Second initiation, that should be given . . .
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Should . . . some devotees are writing you now for second initiation, and I'm writing them to wait a while because you're not well. So can I continue to tell them that?
Prabhupāda: They can do second initiation.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: By writing you.
Prabhupāda: No. These men.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: These men, they can also do second initiation. So there's no need for devotees to write to you for first and second initiation. They can write to the man nearest them. But all these persons are still your disciples. Anybody who gives initiation is doing so on your behalf.
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: You know that book I'm maintaining of all of your disciples' names? Should I continue that?
Prabhupāda: Hmm.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: So if someone gives initiation, like Harikeśa Mahārāja, he should send the person's name to us here, and I'll enter it in the book. Okay. Is there someone else in India that you want to do this?
Prabhupāda: India, I am here. We shall see. In India, Jayapatākā.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Jayapatākā Mahārāja.
Prabhupāda: You are also in India.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Yes.
Prabhupāda: You can note down these names.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Yes, I have them.
Prabhupāda: Who are they?
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Kīrtanānanda Mahārāja, Satsvarūpa Mahārāja, Jayatīrtha Prabhu, Bhagavān Prabhu, Harikeśa Mahārāja, Jayapatākā Mahārāja and Tamāla Kṛṣṇa Mahārāja.
Prabhupāda: That's nice. Now you distribute.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Seven. There's seven names.
Prabhupāda: For the time being, seven names, sufficient. You can make Rāmeśvara.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Rāmeśvara Mahārāja.
Prabhupāda: And Hṛdayānanda.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Oh, yeah. South America.
Prabhupāda: So without waiting for me, wherever you consider it is right . . . that will depend on discretion.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: On discretion.
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: That's for first and second initiations.
Prabhupāda: Hmm.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Okay. Shall I send a kīrtana party, Śrīla Prabhupāda? (end)
AFter this Srila Prabhupada issued this letter on 9th july 1977
Letter to: All G.B.C., All Temple Presidents
-
Vrindaban
9 July, 1977
To All G.B.C., and Temple Presidents
Dear Maharajas and Prabhus,
Please accept my humble obeisances at your feet. Recently when all of the GBC members were with His Divine Grace in Vrndavana, Srila Prabhupada indicated that soon He would appoint some of His senior disciples to act as “ritvik-representative of the acarya, for the purpose of performing initiations, both first initiation and second initiation. His Divine Grace has so far given a list of eleven disciples who will act in that capacity:
His Holiness Kirtanananda Swami
His Holiness Satsvarupa dasa Gosvami
His Holiness Jayapataka Swami
His Holiness Tamala Krsna Gosvami
His Holiness Hrdayananda Gosvami
His Holiness Bhavananda Gosvami
His Holiness Hamsaduta Swami
His Holiness Ramesvara Swami
His Holiness Harikesa Swami
His Grace Bhagavan dasa Adhikari
His Grace Jayatirtha dasa Adhikari
In the past Temple Presidents have written to Srila Prabhupada recommending a particular devotee’s initiation. Now that Srila Prabhupada has named these representatives, Temple Presidents may henceforward send recommendation for first and second initiation to whichever of these eleven representatives are nearest their temple. After considering the recommendation, these representatives may accept the devotee as an initiated disciple of Srila Prabhupada by giving a spiritual name, or in the case of second initiation, by chanting on the Gayatri thread, just as Srila Prabhupada has done. The newly initiated devotees are disciples of His Divine Grace A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupad, the above eleven senior devotees acting as His representative. After the Temple President receives a letter from these representatives giving the spiritual name or the thread, he can perform the fire yajna in the temple as was being done before. The name of a newly initiated disciple should be sent by the representative who has accepted him or her to Srila Prabhupada, to be included in His Divine Grace’s “Initiated Disciples” book.
Hoping this finds you all well.
Your servant,
Tamala Krsna Gosvami
Approved: A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami
[Srila Prabhupada’s signature appears on the original]
Hare Krishna hare Krishna prabhuji 🙏🙏💗💖🌹💖💗🙏🙏
Hare Krishna Prabhuji 🙏🏻❤️ Dandwat Pranam 🙏🏻❤️
Har Har Mahadev 🙏🏻❤️
HKP,PAMHO,AGTSP.
Ritwik System is being followed since inception in ISKCON BANGLORE( AKSHAY PATRA) group of Temples.
H.G is very true in his statements.
Your Servant 🙏
Ig Akshay Patra say no need of physical shiksha guru,so their shiksha and diksha guru is Prabhupada
@@ajinkya3768 Ideally Prabhupada is the only Siksha & Deeksha Guru, We all are reading what our beloved spiritual master has left for us. For us there is no authority over & above H.D.G Srila Prabhupada. 🙏
Ys
Jai gaur hari
हरी बोल।
Hariii Bolll 💯💯💯💯
Yes Prabhu ji , during illness time of prabhupad g , prabhupad told to 4 different devotees , at 4 different occassion that , "you all are praying for my health to recover , but in other room , there are devotees praying for my death.". So that they can take position of guru.
It was very hard for prabhupad to see this during his last time.
Ok , Can you please send any conversation related to that.
@@GIVEGITA i think in Prabhupada Lila Amrita book it is written and also one of the speaker of iskcon Bangalore said this during his lecture on Prabhupada last days of lila
hare krishna guruji ham aapke saaaaaaaaaaaathhhhhhhhh
🙌Hare krishan! Jay Swami Prabhupad🙌
Hari Bol 🙏
Hare krishna 🙏 hari bol 🙏 jai srila Prabhupada 🙏
Srila Prabhupada ki jai🥺🥺🥺🥺🥺🥺
16:14 🤣🤣 jai guruji
Vashudev kutumbkam
Hara krishna Ji Hara krishna Ji ❤️❤️❤️❤️🙏🙏❤️
Hare Krishna Dandvat pranam to all
Hare Krishna this is the real truth of iskcon & iskcon devotees should need to think this & take shelter of real iskcon that is give gita...hari bol
आपका धन्यवाद करने के लिए मेरे पास शब्द नहीं है आपके GIVE GITA कोर्स ने मेरी लाइफ बदल दी मुझको हकीकत से बोध करा दिया गुरु जी आपका बहुत-बहुत धन्यवाद आपके श्री चरणों में सादर दंडवत प्रणाम🙏🌹🚩🔥
Ultimately narak le jaa raha hai, galat teaching dekar