Gary Numan Live!! How much is actually live??
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 26 พ.ค. 2024
- Gary Numan fans often question how much of his live shows are livened and how much is pre-recorded. This video addresses that question head on!!
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Timecodes:
00:00 - Intro
01:17 - Context for this video
05:58 - Gary Numan's fan
07:38 - Screaming vocals on Gary Numan's "Pure"
08:17 - Gary Numan Mic technique explanation
14:30 - Gary Numan Keyboards and backing tracks
16:58 - David Brooks' keyboards and laptop setup
22:28 - Down In The Park keyboard demonstration - เพลง
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I just saw him in March in a small club in Detroit. I was ten feet away from Gary. He was most definitely singing his ass off! Great performance.
yeah, i saw him in charlotte, was close enough to hear his voice seperately from the sound system, and hear the stage monitors.
“Savage” was probably my favorite comeback ever. I can’t even imagine what it must have felt like for him when that completely blew away all expectations.
I have seen over 300 concerts since 1984. Anyway. I rarely came across a band that really did a bad job. Gary Numan is an awesome performer and he always has great talented musicians backing him. Love Numan
I was happy to see Gary live in 2022. Steve, Tim and Richard were literally playing their hearts out, David was hard at work with all the keyboards, synths and the laptops. Gary´s voice was totally live, with the occasional backtracks he uses for atmosphere.
No one in the audience had any doubts that this was a real live show.
In 2017 my wonderful daughter bought us backstage passes to Gary Numans show at the iconic 1st Ave in Minneapolis. We met Gary and we able to watch the band rehearse a handful of songs. It lasted about 45 minutes or more and it was obvious he was singing all the songs live. The show was spectacular and I feel extremely blessed to have been there, I will never forget it.
Thank you for sharing your story John!! He is amazing live indeed!! VG:-)
@@VaughnGeorge Vaughn, I recently subscribed to your channel and look forward to watching more of the videos. I did watch a couple already and enjoyed them very much! As I mentioned earlier, I met Gary in 2017 and really only asked him about his family and that I had been a fan since 1979 with Tubeway Army's "Replicas". I'm a huge Cars fan too and wish I had asked him his thoughts on Greg Hawkes, what are your thoughts on The Cars and more specifically Greg Hawkes work with the band? Take care and have a great week.
As a sound technician/engineer myself I totally agree with everything you said in this video
Cheers Chris , thank you brother ! VG
@@VaughnGeorge your welcome i found artists like little mix arianna grande and quite a few other artists like to mime when performing supposidly live
Good analysis. In terms of keyboards one man can do a 3 man job on the synths of the old days, hence some 'backing track'. I was privileged enough to be at his rehearsal last Saturday just inches away from him. Spoke to him and all band members at length on their instruments...not to mention about the 3 performances leading up to the Numan's 1000th.
Thanks for sharing your story Ernie!! VG :-)
I would imagine that there is a degree of "help" for most live performances, especially when the studio tracks are multi layered. I for one think Gary does an awesome live show every time and I've been a fan since 79. Still go to his concerts and can't wait for the Intruder tour.
I just saw him on the Intruder tour. I saw him on Feb 27th 2022 in Orange County, California. It was a fantastic show. Looks like he is playing the same set give or take 1-2 different songs. If you’re a fan of his last 3 records you’ll really enjoy the show. He said it’s his only leg of the tour for the USA so don’t hesitate on going.
Saw him for the Intruder tour in Austin. Great show!
That's like when bands have orchestral sounds in their songs.. MOST bands don't just bring a full orchestra lol so of course it's gonna be tracked
@@cinsationalcinema1776 what do you mean his only leg? Please explain I am not understanding. He is not touring USA again?
@@sueferrill5438
Go to his site or Instagram..,
He’s back in the states this Fall, but several are sold out already
I've seen Gary live three times now and never once doubted how "live" it was. Everything you said is totally understandable and valid. Why his so called fans discredit all this is beyond me - this isn't the Telekon era anymore and I swear they're in denial of that 🙄😂
Hi Vicky , glad the video made sense. The “Numanoids” are undoubtedly some of the most complex of all fans. They love him so much yet can be absolutely brutally critical towards him at the same time. VG 🎹😎👍
That’s because we’re only Numan 😉😂
I've seen him live in Dublin after listening to him for many many years. He was beyond fantastic, there's not a word yet Invented to describe how good he was. My son was 21 at the time and he came with me. He was blown away by the "live" ( very live) performance.
The man is a living legend, a genius, my icon, my drug.
I’ve seen Gary in concert 3 times. I was up front and it was absolutely live.
Numan Live and his epic musicians always give 110%. Of course its multi layered and high tech. That requires a tight band and rehearsals. And that gives us a quality of entertainment. I've taken endless non fans to gigs over the years. All have been impressed with his shows.
When I started gigging again with my project back in 2012, I had what I considered at the time a small live rig consisting of two hardware synths, a large rack mounted mixer in a heavy flight case and a laptop playing backing tracks.
Over the intervening years (and due to onstage technical issues with sub bass making my laptop's non-SSD hard drive skip when playing backing tracks at a gig back in 2015), I've since reduced my own live rig to a single synth and a looper pedal that plays backing tracks through a much smaller mixer going to FOH. The looper only contains drums, bass and sequences, everything I can play is played, using splits and layers on the synth. The only drawback is that I have to approximate some sounds, but it does make things simpler technically.
As an observation, I do find that most negative comments about live electronic acts come from the traditional bass, guitar and drums crowd. Bands that use technology don't have this attitude.
I think Gary Numan and his band do what is needed to translate the album sound as closely as possible.
Always great insight from you Gary !! Cheers brother!! VG :-)
Long time Gary Numan fan, but have simply missed the social media pages devoted to him. No loss. Thank you for this great video post/explanation, which was more informative from a vocalist standpoint than about Gary. I know this much, I made a real pilgrimage this past week to see him, front row. Goodness Gracious. As an industrial vocalist myself, I had a truly moving experience watching him. Gary & Band were nothing short of mesmerizing. Wonderful packed crowd in Dallas, TX. Beautiful, beautiful. Happy to subscribe to your channel here, and thanks for suggesting Gary's patreon page.
Hi Kevin !! Welcome to the tribe brother!! Thank you for the kind words. More Numan videos coming soon!! VG
Thank you for explaining that. I just saw Numan and his band in concert a few days ago (Intruder tour 2022) and thought it was a great show. You explaining how it all works makes me even more impressed by all of the musicians up on that stage!
as long as the singer is actually singing and the players are playing most of the songs who cares about what they had to put some backing stuff in there. I'm getting ready to see Gary Numan this September and really looking forward to it. Thanks for the producer view on his work.
I agree with that !! VG
I have seen DM in 82 they were pretty basic
They were still young and learning the stage work
I saw numan live in 2006
He was very good, but he was trying to sound like heavier and faster
It is very more computer samples and electronic these days
New order, program and use backing samples since 1981
The live performance will change because they it is recorded in the studio
except it's questionable if he really even is singing - th-cam.com/video/62S6aM-nOdg/w-d-xo.html
To be honest, a lot of Numan fans piss me off! Whining on about setlists?? I have seen Gary twice and I am not bothered what he plays!!! it’s Gary Numan!!!! Good to be there
I’m with you on this !! VG
He claims he hates "nostalgia" yet plays Are Friends Electric, Cars etc all the time and rarely any old deep cuts.
@@nickcarroll5034 correct my friend !! He does this to please the fans and if he had it his own way, he would not play them. Check out my interview with Gary see what he said. VG :-)
Hi, I really liked your video and just like you, I am a huge Gary Numan fan and have been since 1979!!
I've seen him live many times over the years, including at Wembley in 1981 and I'll be seeing him live again next year!! Can't wait!!
I had to laugh when you mentioned Gary screaming because I met him for the first and only time in 2011 at a paid for meet and greet
in Nottingham on the first date of his 'Dead Son Rising Tour!!'
He was totally amazing and really engrossing to be around!!
To be honest I got very star struck and because of this,
my mouth seemed to take on a life of it's own and I said a couple of silly things which I deeply regretted as soon as I said them!!
If you know the live version of his excellent song 'Bleed' which is featured on his brilliant 'Hybrid' remix CD set,
you'll know that Gary absolutely screams his head off a couple of times during the song and I love it!!
So, with that in mind, I mentioned to him that I love the way he varies his vocal style quite a lot on different songs
and it really shows how groundbreaking and original he really is in that, he can sing anything from really soft to all out screaming
and I could tell immediately from his expression that, with regards to the screaming comment he was really offended!!
He paused and replied quite disgusted: "Screaming?? Oh, ok, thanks a lot for that!!"
I just wanted the ground to open up and swallow me, but I DIDN'T mean it offensively,
I meant it as a compliment and was referring to the cracking live version of the song 'Bleed!!"
So word to the wise, if you're going to mention Gary Numan and screaming in the same sentence,
be very, very careful he understands what you mean or else get ready to be face to face with somebody you've just really upset!!
Peace!!
I echo the emotion in Numan's picture above, "Hells yeah!!" Thanks Vaughn!!
Cheers Ben!! VG :-)
When Gary Numan sings live he sounds like how you would expect Gary Numan to sound like. He is uncannily like his recordings yet you can hear that it's live as well. I fell for his music in 1979 and saw him just before lockdown at the Cliffs Pavillion, Southend-on-Sea. It was fantastic! Thank you for making this video and explaining so eloquently. You can tell you're a fan.
Trevor thank you for your kind comments and you are very welcome sir!! VG :-)
Thats because he is miming 🤦♂️
"...favourite male solo artist of all time..." ME TOO!!! Fantastic post thanks Vaughn. How lucky we are to have all your attention with Gary, Ade and alike videos. Cheers
Thank you brother !! VG :-)
Absolutely enlightening! Really enjoying all this!!🎸🍄
Cheers Keith and welcome on board !! VG 🎹😎👍
Oh great Video as always Vaughn
I would have loved to hear more of your "Down in the Park" improv! That was very cool! Anyway thanks for this informative video! Keep up the good work Vaughn! 😊
Thank you brother !! More coming soon!! VG
Numanoid since 1980. I'm super excited to see Gary next month in Phoenix, Arizona. His live performances have never disappointed me.
Fantastic video with understandable explanations and examples. As a bass player turned intermediate keyboardist playing in a classic Numan tribute act, we’ve tried to play as much as we can live, while still sounding authentic to the records. Telekon, however, is requiring some tracks. Even with a second keyboardist and our singer being a third on some songs, we just can’t faithfully reproduce the four songs we do off that amazing album without a couple backing tracks. Yes… 2 hands can only do so much and there is a lot of other things to think about, buttons to press and knobs to turn, etc., as well. I thank you for this in depth look into Numan’s stage situation. Cheers!!
Thank you Nigel !! I really appreciate your kind comments and I am glad you have enjoyed this!! Please subscribe to see many more Numan videos coming soon !! VG :-)
I've just attended to a Numan gig at John Dee in Oslo (30.05.2022) It was a little venue, no more than 300 persons. I was at the very front just 1/2 mts from him. He was singing during the whole show. I love being a Numanoid
All well said and explained Vaughan . Loved it.
Why do some ideots think he lip syncs he doesn't he's counting himself into the next line..
More so before ear pieces Numan is a real true star he's honnest funny and genuine guy.
Iv been very lucky to have been a fan since 1979. I'm in my late 50s now yes seen him live many many times even worked on catering in 1988 tour.
But must say Wembley as never been touched nor in my eyes ever will for full LIVE ANALOGUE SOUND performance 1981 42 years ago crikey HELPPPP XX
Well said Angel!! VG:-)
Very interesting. Thanks.
I gave a response long ago, but feel to add my recent experience with Gary in Amsterdam. First of all I was pleasantly surprised with a fantastic sound. Everything was clearly audible. The lights weren’t working properly, Numan apologised for that, but gave it everything. This time I noticed far less drumloops and recorded backing vocals. This was a tight playing live band and his voice was audibly live. Only during Pure you could here some more layered backing vocals. And possibly one or 2 other choruses, but definitely not in a disturbing way.
It was truly an amazing experience.
Thank for sharing Andre!! Glad you enjoyed the show!! VG :-)
Amazing when you play live Vaughan, can we have more please, great video mate 👍
Bless you Peter!! I’m pleased to see there is this much interest in my Numan videos !! More coming soon!! VG
Hi Vaughn always a pleasure watching your videos on gary numan. I'd like to say that I already know there would be some backing track for parts that is hard to play. As I've been a numan fan since are friends electric through the hard times still bought his albums. And listening to his new material he is back to his best, that was a great demo on down in the park how hard it can be to play you were great mate great video thanks for sharing it with is great job 👍
Hey Les!! Thank you so much for your comment and kind words !! Many more Numan videos coming soon here on the VG TH-cam channel!! VG :-)
Great vídeo, very well explained
When you hear the demo....and then the finished product, it has to be really hard to play live! There are so many layers involved if you strip them all back and do it live.....well in my view it would sound shit and basically would not sound like it should! It is the modern way to programme around 80% of music if its of a technical variant! Frankly i thought the Intruder live project was awesome.
Totally agree mate but should have had the original live vocal on the stream that was shown.. would have made it perfect then
We'll. Now THIS is the kind of content I've been looking for! I use Cubase and VST's, been tinkering for 20 years and a huge synth fan! Tangerine Dream changed my life in 1977! I love synthpoo and Industrial music. So happy you talk about music in this way. So appreciated. Yes, I subscribed.💪😎🎙️🥾🛠️⚙️⚒️🎹🖥️
Glad you enjoyed it and welcome on board !! VG :-)
Thanks Vaughn! You explain well! In fact, I for one have never wondered about what’s live or not. I basically don’t care. There’s a recent upload taken from Patreon where Gary and his band play ‘Intimate’ where everyone can witness how well Gary sings and his band can play (Bed of Thorns, Stories, AFE)... I have no doubts about the skills of anyone involved... the added layers is something every big artist has done for years. Apart from Numan/DM I am also a fan of U2, Pink Floyd, Rush and there’s plenty of recorded bits (or should I say sequenced bits) at their live shows. There are documentaries on U2’s “Underworld” that will give some insight.
But I do get why some people are concerned about the enhanced vocals on CD/DVD in recent years... I do enjoy Telekon Live (2006), Replicas Live (2008) and “When The Sky Came Down” with Skaparis on DVD though! Great DVD’s... but perhaps they would capture the live atmosphere even better if vocals got less post-treatment than they get now...but saying it would also indicate I know better than the artist... Am I that good? Never! So, it’s his call and whatever the outcome: as long as I enjoy it, it’s all right! And I do enjoy....
Andre thanks for your kind words and for sharing your insight!! VG :-)
Seen him around a hundred times, great show. ❤️
Great video, thank you
Thank you Christian !! VG :-)
In the 90s, my band was 2 or 3 members and we always rehearsed in weeks before 25 minutes on stage. So what did I do? Wrote down the chords on every song and improvised on a synthesizer. Notes was no problem with recorder, clarined, home organ and drums background. Only problem was hated live nervous as hell...but later it became fun. Cool video by the way! I discovered Gary (I knew him from the Car) with Pure, and really like everything afterwards.
I have been a fan of Gary sinxe 79, and am just gratefull to see him live when I can.
That's the best attitude my friend !! Totally agree !! VG :-)
looking forward to seeing him in April on the 1st night of the UK tour
Thanks for explaining this. I saw Gary for the first time last night. The show was so good but the thought crossed my mind that he may not have been singing. My friend said the same thing. It bothered me because I enjoyed the set so much & didn't want to take away from what I witnessed so I decided to do some homework on this subject. Your video caught my eye. I am so glad I watched this because now I understand the studio/live aspects of his songs & why he moves the mic the way he does. I'm not a musician so I thought it was important to do my due diligence before I developed a negative view on his live performance. I am very satisfied with my findings. Having to explain this so much must get tiresome for him. I am happy to say I want to become a proud member of the Numanoids...
I don't understand why people get upset with bands using backing tracks, it's literally making their songs sound as close to the albums as possible. Which is something you would think fans would appreciate, as a musician who has covered songs live it certainly would've been nice to have the option of using them during my sets that's for sure
Agree !! VG :-)
I have seen him live many times, he sings live , and as far as I can hear most of the music is played live . There maybe some prerecorded backing music so that the tracks can be as close to the album as possible. Gary Numan is a legend , amazing performer and his music just gets better and better. My favourite solo artist of all time .
Don't mention the Polymoog, I did but I think I got away with it.
Sorry had to get some Basil Fawlty in there.
Another great explanatory vid, thanks.
Hey Chris !! Fortunately I lobe Basil Fawlty !! Thank you for your kind words and I am glad you liked the video!! VG :-)
Vaughan.
Have you ever thought about doing a sound design masterclass series video? As I think it would be awesome. I have created from scratch on other synthesizers the universe sound and beauty sound patch from the korg M1. Of also created the staccato heaven. Fantasia and soundtrack pack sales from the Roland d50 on other vsts.
Have you ever designed your own sounds? Also like you to do a Gary Numan album review set of videos. Would this be something you'd be willing to do?
Also could you do a video of your top 20 hardware synthesizers and your top 20 software synthesizers of all time? I would love to see what your choices would be.
Due to the huge amount of channels and sound design layering of today's music tech and recording environment. It would be almost impossible for a band to play each and every part live. Especially now you've got multitimbral synths available for Logic. Ableton Live. Cubase. Fruity Loops. Along with all the other DAW's. Also especially with all the Drum programming the Gary does on his tracks. A lot of that will be impossible for the average drum player to play. Main stages of very good piece of software for preset management and sound layering. Mindstate is basically a synthesizer preset manager. You can call up any preset on any given software synthesizer and I do believe some hardware synthesizers as well within seconds. It is amazing what MIDI and USB connectivity as done for the live music act. You only need 2 or 3 keyboards. A couple of laptops and a couple of hardware synthesizers in a live set up these days. The laptops of the nerve Centre of all the sounds and drum programming. If you run something like logic or Ableton Live? All the processing and effects chains can be used on them in a live environment. You do not need a load of hardware racks that you use to need now we have all the software that can do the hard work for us.
Unlike all the original analogue synthesizer Gear. The New Digital software synthesizers do not go out of tune. If you have an old polymoog. Minimoog. ARP Odyssey. Roland Jupiter 4 6 and 8? Dial used to go out of tune so quickly. When Gary did the Wembley concerts in 1981. He said these synthesizers at the time used to break down very quickly and go out of tune very quickly as well. I think temperature variations also was a factor of these synthesizers going out of tune.
However today with the music technology we now have. This no longer happens and all the sounds of our stable and could be called up within seconds. So why would you need an army keyboard players nowadays? When it could all be done with mainstage and a d a w of your choice. No brainer the new 21st century music setup is a great idea and a much better way of doing it. These laptops and mainstage are a lot more capable than the whole rack of synthesizers that you used to have to use.
Gary has said himself that his studio nowadays is the most capable he's ever had. Yet his studio nowadays consists of a mixer. Two big computer monitors. A kick ass computer underneath and a MIDI controller keyboard. He says all the processing and sound design is done within his logic setup. Along with all of his effects chain processing along with his automation programming. Why would you need a room full of outdated Gear? When his set up can deliver what it does.
I think Numan's shows have become better live nowadays than they were when he started. A Numan gig today is 1000 times better than it was when he started.
Vaughan. When are we going to get a tour of Ade Fenton's studio?
Thank you for uploading this video.
Pure.
VG , you re absolutly right !!!!!👍🏻
But the most people dont know the difference between live and studio sessions .
Hope your channel helps to understand what it means
Thanks Gordon!! Will try my best to explain things and I’m glad you found value in this video !! More Numan coming soon !! VG
Great information and video. I Liked n saved you
Thank you and welcome on board !! VG :-)
Anyone who makes music knows it’s very hard to recreate live …we might spend weeks in the studio getting something ‘just right’ …personally I don’t have an issue with using ‘playback’ …but …and it’s a big but …I always try and like to hear a live vocal ! There have been times when I’ve been at a gig , Gary’s included ….when a playback vocal comes in…. Million times louder and polished to within an inch of its life ..over a gig that did have a fairly ‘live’ feel up until that point , so although I don’t have an issue with it , and of course if someone is dancing and giving a full on stage show …no one can expect fully live vocals !!! But if artists re going to use playback…get the balance right! So it doesn’t come in and hit the audience like a sonic boom and then leave the rest of the performance feeling flat 🤷🏻♀️🤷🏻♀️🤷🏻♀️
My point is...I really don't care if he's live or not at gigs VG has explained it very well re the enhancements... I mainly complain about GN fucking about with the live recordings back in the studio.
That’s a different point entirely. Most artists do this now … gone are the days of bootlegs and official live gigs on cassettes.
Everybody does this.
Gary's not unique in post production to produce the best quality live recording, as if the live tracks are taken off the desk, the variables are massive which can result in a live recording sounding a complete mess.
Live means live. Not a desk recording of the backing tracks and instruments....then going back into the studio to redo the vocals.
exactly my point mate that I have brought up higher up here...
@@tinahclarey2809 it's the original point though and when watching DVD's that have been doctored like this it makes it look like it's mimed which is were the allegations come from, most artists, don't know about that like, I took 4 DVD's from my shelf and only Gary's had the main vocal replaced enhancement, so most is stretching it, but I can understand why he does it, he wants it to sounf as best as it can, but live should be live, or advertised otherwise. IE Live stream gig, the vocal we heard was not the vocal he sang on the night so the billing of the show was a little misleading, we all love his voce, warts and all, just let us have it Gary please
WINNIPEG MANITOBA AT THE BURTON...VERY LIVE..EXCELLENT SHOW!!!!
I went watching Depeche Mode in Berlin in 1990 - World Violation tour, i was loosely into keyboards back then but that gig made me a fanatic. Strange really because the highlight of the night for me was Alan Wilder taking centre stage and playing a couple of giant Bongo drums when they performed 'Clean' the base thumped through your chest and all around the Arena - Great moment and very live.
I've got tickets to go and see Gary Numan in Leeds come what May. 🙌.
Another very informative video from VG. Thing is bands like Depeche Mode/OMD and others have been taking this approach for years albeit using tape machines instead of computers. It’s a matter of fact approach to live performances these days and bands that you think are 100% live are likely using backing to fill out their sound. VG great vid 👍
Hey brother !! Good to hear from you as always!! VG :-)
I must admit I was a little sceptical as to how much was being played live but after attending a rehearsal session and seeing how it's done (pretty much as described here) it made sense. One interesting thing, during the rehearsal the band repeatedly referred to "Gareths". I asked Tim what Gareths were, he said the click track that they have in their ear pieces has, on some of the older tracks, verbal cues that Gary recorded to count them in to parts of the song. Gareths 😄.
You can use a backing track for duplicated album vocals, but you can also use a duplicator effect.
David Brooks has a great video around his keyboard rig and all this stuff. Think you referred to it. All very clever stuff. It impressed me anyway!
Other than that… 27:07…mad men???? ☺️
I knew all the reasons why the gigs are the way they are. I fully understood and accept it.
However. When it comes to live albums, that is where i struggle.
Because sometimes i wonder if Gary has re sang the vocals in the studio when editing the recordings. Because sometimes, not all the time on all the live albums. Sometimes the vocals sound near if not actually the same as on the album. They sound too polished. If that makes sense. As stated by somebody else. One of the last truly sounding live Numan albums was White Noise. Its an awesome album.
The live recordings from the Savage tour etc sound like the studio vocals. Im probably totally wrong like. But as a listener, thats how it sounds. At least to my ears anyway.
I get what you are saying !! Yes , a lot of bands these days do tend to over polish their live recordings in preparation for DVD release. This is a worthy subject for a video !! VG :-)
I think there is to some degree a 'polishing up' of live albums for DVD, as I remember attending Numan's 'Hope Bleeds' gig at Manchester Academy in 2003 (i think?), where I remember after the gig, that Gary stated that the acoustics there weren't great. So I do think in order to give the audience a product (ie, a DVD of the live performance), they may need to clean it up?
P.S. That was another awesome concert, and never did I think at the time that it was anything but live..........and neither do I think it for any electronic band. I totally accept that there has to be a degree of 'backing tracks' etc.
If you watch Depeche Mode's 101 video, Alan Wilder demonstrates that his synths have banks where he can save certain sounds on there, and that they do use a backing tape for the drum loops. So I think it needs to be accepted, quite rightly as Vaughn points out, that a human can only do so much, so you need the technology to do the more difficult bits to tie everything together to give the audience an end product they're looking for.
Hi VG thank you for your teaching and knowledge on the live performance about Gary's band I would happily be Gary's back up singer if he needed one tell Gary this cause I'm like you VG a great fan I do like your style very much too take care bye 😊🌺
Thank you for your kind words!! VG 😎🎹👍
Great explanation! I am from Zim , I spotted your southern African accent. Howzit!
Hozit my brother from Zim? Sending BIG love to you there !! VG 😎🎹👍
@@VaughnGeorge Love your expertise and I was 14 when replicas came out, I LOVE Down in the park, so this was great to hear the breakdown. Cheers Matt. I showed my wife ,who is from Capetown.
Never forget growing up pre internet, living with the mythological fact that Gary Newman was a pilot! A pop star and a pilot, it was like an urban legend to an 80s kid 🤣🤣🤣
Can’t wait for some VG greatness to improve my day!
Thank you sir!! VG :-)
I was impressed by the number of keyboard players in the Pleasure Principle and Telekon album tours he did a few years ago. I suspect there was more than the average live elements going on there. Probably because the music was easier to deconstruct into live elements.
I'd love to hear what Gary's contemporary, Mark Mothersbaugh has to say about this. He seems happy to discuss what they need to do to perform a DEVO song, especially when there are videos involved. Not to mention the odd timings of songs, like Jocko Homo with parts in 7/8. Click tracks are essential.
Most bands like this use some sort of backing track
Who uses synths
Duran
Level 42
Omd
Human league
Howard jones tears for fears
Etc etc
Impossible to play sequencer's arpeggios
Or layered with one keyboard player.
The thing to remember is that most musicians *want* to be playing as much as possible and challenging themselves on stage.
I saw the show in MN tonight. I'm a musician and also a sound tech. Love Gary, and understand and agree with nearly everything you said. But there were many times he was noticeably out of the dynamic range of his mic, or the bass or guitar were obviously not playing. That said, it was still an amazing show. Ministry obviously used some backing tracks, too. But backing tracks are necessary for this type of music live like you explained.
Cheers matey! I am glad you found the video useful ! VG :-)
Interesting video a lot of electronic stuff seems to be a mix of pre recorded and live stuff which is fine I think. Seen some goldfrapp live stuff though for instance and there seems to be so much non live singing and music that it kinda drowns out the live stuff. A different experience watching on TH-cam though and real life!
Unrelated but your intro music almost sounds like his song 'Dance' which is by far one of his best songs
Youve convinced me I was sketched out by the holding mic back but was pretty sure I never caught any slipups. Plus he had zero banter with the audience moments.
This video explains a lot of things regarding live vocals. I did have my doubts. I'm still not entirely convinced about the vocals on the Skaparis Orchestra shows. And this is coming from someone who has seen Gary live hundreds of times. Just my opinon and I hope I am wrong.
The band are (mostly) live, but the audience is pre-recorded? I put a question mark at the end so it's not stupid.
"The people who make the comments are the people who know the least"...that about sums up social media!!!
Gazelle Twin commented on my post about Gazelle Twin once, I assume she knows more about herself than anyone. 😂
it's what i call a 'Streamlined' live service , Cherry pick the best moments or you end up with a stage full of keyboard players (most of which will play about 5-10 notes a track) , also it's more cost effective that why
Well said !! VG 👍😎🎹
The original discussion on this matter was not if Gary was miming or not, he never has to my knowledge mimed to a crowd that were expecting a live gig, the issue was the post production done to DVD releases for example the latest live stream. No one can come on here or anywhere and say that the main vocal for the stream had no been overdubbed with another re-recorded to make it sound the way it did. Now again this is fine I hear you all, well most of you shout out, well f it is stated on the box in the credits of the DVD then yes it is fine, Before we paid for a live gig stream, if we had been told this was going to happen, then yes we had the choice then to say yes or no thanks. What got me slightly annoyed was the way the stream was advertised, first live gig of Intruder tracks, which yes the night it was recorded in the venue it was recorded it was. The vocal Gary sang on that take is the vocal I would have wanted to hear on the live stream. Putting the re-recorded vocal back in then leads to people watching thinking he is miming because the mic technique does not match up to the loudness of the vocals . Plus Gary has always said he is shit with the words but in the last how many DVD's never a word out of place even though there is video footage from phones on the night showing otherwise. So all I would ask for is a note on ay performance this technique is used just to say so. As for what Vaughan is addressing here, of course there will be backing tracks as we call them, David has 2 hands and even though he is very clever at what he does he could never play everything himself. Gary has used backing tracks since the beginning practically, I mean look at Micromusic. You can not seriously believe She's Got Claws is not the multitrack version with live drums and live vocals over the top. No sax player as such and no way Paul (RIP) played that fretless Mick Karn so cleverly crafted. Then moving on to Warriors, John Webb never played a note on the sax so this was all backing tracks, so they are not a new thing. I prefer hearing Gary's vocal as it was on the night, Berserker a great example, The Skin Mechanic and a few more.... So please Gary let us have the original live vocal version of the streaming gig to keep us all happy....
PS keep it up VG love watching your videos, although think you lost a bit credit with your Simon Cowell impressions mate. You were slagging that show for taking the mick out of people and then did it yourself..... just saying like
I've seen at least one semi-recent live video of an older song where it was very clear that the original recording was playing in the background with little being added to it aside from his vocal. That I did not care for. But using backing tracks to do justice to songs I have no problem with. Did people complain about The Cocteau Twins' reel to reel that they used on stage?
Hello Vaughn, great vid as always, a couple of things if I may, firstly I play 'Down In The Park' 2 tones up hahahahahahahaha, I guess its because I learnt it from a cassette of the Teletour. Secondly if you go back to the early days of Human League, OMD, etc they used to use a tape for certain backing tracks as well, its absolutely nothing new, modern tech has just given us the ability to make it far far easier, my band often used to use a DAT tape for efx and basslines and rhythms, now we also use modern tech, the people who scream 'fake' have absolutely no idea what goes on in the background.
Keep up the good work.
2 tones, wow that's high lol bet singing it is difficult, so you play it in key of A, if earnt from tape I bet it's faster than the 75bpm I think the original tempo is
@@mickeyallen9975 well the notes I play are 'D/E/C/G--D/E/B' I'll have to watch Vaughn's video again to make sure if it is 2 hahahahaha got me thinking now.
(Added Edit) not sure of the tempo to be honest, I just play what feels right.
@@paradoxstate5018 so you are 1 2 up from original so probably not much faster that will be because of tape recording running slightly fast like they used to .....
1 tone sorry not 1 2 lol
@@mickeyallen9975 Also factor in I learnt it on a Moog Source, so chances are that wasnt 100% in tune either, except when we came to play it live, I'd become so use to playing it like I did that when we all tuned up, it most likely bore no resemblance to what it should be, and I still play in that key.
What a great and true musician.. will play both small and large venues. I had the pleasure to see his Berserker and Warriors concerts (a while ago 😉)
How many musicians in history, can be credited with lauching an entire music genre..? Very, very few.. Numan is one of them.
I saw the Berserker too. Um, yes, awhile ago. 🙈😊
I don't disagree with you one bit there, he is the best solo artist in the world, o.k.
👍🙂👍
Some 'fans' tend to over analyse Gary and the live performance as if they're the greater authority.
It's pitiful and tiresome.
Why not just enjoy the experience of what Gary creates?
Why does it matter so much how it arrives into your ears?
And you're so on point Vaughn, many commentators on Numan fan sites speak from a supercilious position, bordering arrogant, and using their position to offend others in the group for simply supporting Gary.
These types are regular mouthpieces on these group sites, proclaiming to be ardent fans, yet only like three albums over a two year period from over forty years ago, rather than just admitting they like a couple of albums by a guy forty years ago and nothing else since.
Self indulgent sanctimony never sits well with the majority of us who simply want to enjoy, not just the past glories, but the excitement of what's still to come.
On that front, Gary never fails to deliver, 'Intruder' being an astounding example of how this sixty something can continue to elevate his creativity to immeasurably greater heights.
Well said Matt !! VG :-)
Gary is headlining at Bearded Theory festival 2023
Can't wait
Good video and very well demonstrated, hopefully mite stop the haters
Numan's backing band have always been great musicians. The doubters/haters should check out the unplugged songs they played together to verify this and actually how strong Numan's song writing skills are...
As far as using backing tracks go, there's quite a few songs played at Wembley 81 that are almost 100% backing, ie, Aircrash Bureau, She's Got Claws, Cry, the Clock Said....
Completely off topic question, did Gary manage to have his Les Paul repaired again? Now, that really is a stage prop and I'd be staggered if there are actually any chords coming out of it as Gary strums it, lol.
Nah, I've watched him play and you can definitely hear the chords he plays. He CAN play guitar, he'd be the first to admit he's no guitar virtuoso, but I believe he does really strum a few chords live here and there.
Going to see him again in 3 weeks then Nine Inch Nails a few weeks later. Can’t wait.
Enjoy it my friend !! VG
@@VaughnGeorge Cheers, Vaughn. I sure will. 🙂
Wow, excellent video. But Gary should have 2 keyboard players to keep it looking "real" and not pointing to backtracks. And never heard of Apples App. Thank you so much for that.
Cool BTW I host V Xpress show (film review) but my moniker is furankisan (all music) I'm one the same. OK..my big question is which download/app/vst etc an reproduce the polymoog. For now I'm using Arturia plugins but nothing comes close. thx!
So Gary Numan uses backing tracks, so what?
A lot of people consider Pink Floyd to be the best live act of all time.
Guess what? They have been using backing tracks since the early seventies!
How do you think they did Speak to Me live? Put a Mike down Roger Waters shirt for the heartbeat, and get Gerry the doorman to speak his line?
What about Time? They didnt have dozens of clocks all set up on stage to strike the hour at the same time!
Money, no tills involved on stage.
Through to High Hopes No bees involved live, sometimes the bell would be played live, but not very often!
It doesn't matter, what matters is the show.
People expect live to sound just like the recorded track (I dont), so backing and effects tracks have to be used. You cant have one without the other.
How does TH-cam read my Mind? It’s scary. I’ve been watching some love videos of him lately and brining exactly this. I play guitar and first what caught my eye was the bassist and guitar player up front not really doing anything. I didn’t hear any guitar at all and the bass player barely touched his bass. Also didn’t sound like bass guitar. Sounded more like synth bass. Then I watched Gary’s mouth and how he covers it so much and what I did see didn’t seem to match with the vocals. I think at least he’s singing over his own voice. Or behind it. I love the sound of his songs but 100% there’s pre recorded stuff going on. But some artists it’s a lot of show. I don’t mean that in a bad way.
haha...reminds me NIN concert from 1994; where keys and synth played the wrong recorded sound,s and the keyboard-players correcting program sound in the middle of the song.
What a nice guy
Bless you!
Kraftwerk in 1981, bringing their entire studio on tour, reached peak level in terms of performing electronic music live, in my opinion. Such masters and true musicians. Go watch their shows from 81; marvellous. That said, I do not understand the controversy in using backing tracks and clever samples of complex parts. This is the beauty of the genre and the whole point is to widen the range of used sounds; I honestly find traditional bass, guitar, drums setups just sonically boring to listen to. The electronic music instruments ARE played, in a way; through programming. There is as much virtuosity in excellent programming as in excellent guitar strumming. In my humble opinion.
You really think Kraftwerk play live? Really? I mean, really?
@@lancegfoin9117 No, I know they played that tour live. Do you know they did not?
@@44holmez How do you "know"?
Great video & explanation there Vaughn, I must admit it always makes me laugh & wonder at the mentality of some people when they turn round & MOAN that "this band" (or the this other group) aren't playing & singing every note of the concert .... OF COURSE they're NOT ... songs nowadays are so layered that to play everything "LIVE" you'd need (as you point out in this video) a band of over a dozen people, well, hang on a second .... try touring with that many people, paying wages, food, travel, accommodation for them all, plus all of the instruments for them to play their part ... is it any wonder Gary rarely (if ever) made any profit from his tours back when he started ? And in this day & age (again, as you point out) why not make use of the technology to do the "grunt work" & leave the musicians & singers to do the "special" bits.
Cheers Steve!! I am glad we see eye to eye and that you found value in this video!! VG :-)
In a word not much is actually played live. The reason being for each tour he has band rehearsals thar last a few days. No one can rehearse a full show in that amount of time. Therefore is stands to reason a lot is on 'tape' or is 'augmented'. A favourite word of Mr Webb is augmented ,he uses it a lot.
If you want to see live numan music being totally played live then check out Tubeway Days, they are f**kin awesome.
This is the David Brooks video I mentioned below th-cam.com/video/IubwHpHI1YA/w-d-xo.html
Thank you for the very patient explanation Vaughn. Fair enough. The keyboardist is playing as much as possible - he's only got two hands. But SO much is subsequently on backing and the backing if fairly prominent in the mix. Problem is that GN doesn't change the backing very often. For instance, the backing that you illustrated for DITP has been used for ages - perhaps even the 90s? That's 25 years! The consequence of this is that it becomes boring. We've heard exactly the same thing, with absolutely no variation, for 25 years. Whereas for example if you listen to David Bowie live performances, every single tour the sound is completely different. You can tell which tour is which just by listening. You can even tell very noticeable differences in the same song performed at different performances on the same tour. Through his band improvising. You can tell the same with Nine Inch Nails. Superb musicians. It makes the live performance so much more interesting. I understand the reasons why GN is not the same set up as Bowie and NIN, so to compensate, maybe he should come up with a different arrangement for the backing at least for each tour. Otherwise I would be surprised whether anyone could tell any difference whatsoever between DITP live in 2011 and DITP live in 2021, and that's a pretty sad state of affairs!
Hi there my friend and thanks for your detailed comment !! I do agree that the DITP backing track has been used for ages and may be due an upgrade soon!! I love your interaction here and you are exactly the kind of person I love having in this community so I hope you ahem subscribed. VG :-)
@Replicas55 They have changed up the backing here and there, for example on the Jagged tour the DITP backing was quite different. Listen to the "Machine Music Live" album, too, and that arrangement is also the revised track carried forward from the Jagged era. They do switch it up here and there. But if Numan is now happy reverting to the '98 track, then why should he change it? For me, when I listen to Numan live recordings it's about how he sings it, how the rest of the band plays it, how the crowd reacts. There's only about 10 seconds at the beginning of some songs that's usually the same each time, and that's fine by me.
@@Botley plus I feel it's only the intro this bothers , once the band kick in the song is powerful as always, not really much you could change, if you believe otherwise would love to know how
I would love 8 Gary Newmans coming towards me 😂😂
David Brooks does a superb in depth explanation with the actual kit here - th-cam.com/video/IubwHpHI1YA/w-d-xo.html . Well worth watching as its shows all the kit and goes to an additional level of demonstration and detail. Interested that he says they sampled the Quadrasynth as part of the ditching keyboards before the move to the US - though my understanding is that GN did take one to the US as he likes it as a controller. I recently got a 'Quadrasynth Plus' for £50 from a charity shop so was well pleased with that!
That was fucking brilliant mate.
Somehow you managed the phased bass line and Hit the resonated polymoog waves . I’m impressed. I bought an alesis fusion 8 hd cos I thought it could do it. Binned, and many soft synths binned. Can’t afford a TXI but here’s hopes. Good channel love u brother. A proper polymoog may do the trick. Dream on😀👍👍
Thank you for your kind words Sir!! VG :-)
To sum it up: Some people revolt at the thought of electronics are used to create electronic music!
Should all samples be performed live as well to please them...
I wonder if not a lot of these complaints can be tracked back to the early 80's when a lot of performances where made to a completely recorded track including fake microphones, synths that was played on but had no power or sound cables attached.
And then we have the sad community of internet trolls that seem to live for hurting others.
If I want to enjoy music where everything is played live I'd go to a symphonic orchestra or such. But for modern pop/rock I go for the show and to share the music experience with other fans.
I spent ages trying to explain doubling up vocals to some morons on FB … It creates a specific almost phasing effect that can’t be replicated live without adding a track alongside the live vocal.. if he didn’t add the vocal tracks people would moan that it “didn’t sound like the record” . I have been close enough to the stage to actually hear his voice coming from the stage (I was beyond the line array). In the modern day live setting tracks and loops are used ALL the time! As for analogue synths… they go out of tune so badly..
I seem to remember that ABBA produced a lot of their tracks this way with the female vocals.
And on the subject of analogue synths, one of the best bands to here this detuning was with Human League in their early recordings. In fact it seemed almost as if they used this to their advantage x
live I want to hear LIVE- on records everyone uses tracks FX etc
@@bikeman1x11 live everyone uses samples. Loops. Etc.. unless you’re a fan of folk music, if that’s the case.. nice knitwear, enjoy your flat, warm, real ale
@@cerinicholls6143 not everyone I want raw live emotion not processed artificial music
@@bikeman1x11 so, like I said, you just like folk music then. No amplifiers, just knitwear and pipes. Because everything amplified is “processed” it can’t be any other way.
This reminded me a lot of the outrage a couple of decades ago when The Sisters of Mercy moved from using analog drum machines to laptops and goths were not having it, just simply cause whatever equipment the band was using for the drum parts was baptized as Dr. Avalanche. And they were like “how is it possible that now Dr. Avalanche is a MacBook! This is an outrage!” It’s like: dude, technology keeps moving forwards and who cares what they use as long the band sounds the same when they are on stage. Some people are just so close minded.