Same!! I was so surprised by it, especially that nobody particularly brought attention to it or made a big deal about it. I love casual representation, it’s so lovely to see!
I agree. There was the one comment about ~strength~ and that was all. I want to see how her story goes after the events of the main game! Much love, fellow disabled Quinn 💜💜💜
The reason why Aphrodite is still in her PTSD is that it was recently. Very recently. In the song, when you see hephaestus' image, there are bombs dropping. Ares sold olympus to the germans in 1940s, i presume, so hephaestus sold himself to america and gave them the ultimate weapon - the nuclear bomb.
Charon has officially become my favourite! He already was at the top but I just adore the idea of him ferrying souls across the river styx and being like, "You got any games on your phone?"
I love how Eros is distraught about mortals wanting him just for sex and putting up a face of coldness and not caring but not even that deep down he's just a muscle bear that needs to be hugged and to be loved for who he is.
[SPOILER] It sucks that you weren't able to save Freddie! Depending on the dialogue you choose, you can transfer your Eidolon to her, thereby bringing her back to life.
I think it very much leans into channeling the spirit of Calliope and enacting change where you can make it happen. The two should be allowed to be selfish for each other and fight side-by-side.
@@roseiesb2541 not sure if it was intended to be systematically used, but they introduced the concept of giving up your godhood to bring back another soul. So theoretically, Fred could pass her eidolon back to opera Calliope in Hades and be normal? When this scene happened, I actually thought it was going to be that both Freddie and Grace were going to both mortals (kinda like in Disney Hercules, godhood in exchange for a life, fulfilling the loop hole of the Last Muse dying prophecy as well by ridding the power) and then it was going to be a placebo effect of everyone singing at the trial due to how much influence Grace had on everyone's lives and how much they want change too. But meh that's not what the story had in mind sadly.
@@dracorium9100The way I interpreted that scene was that the eidolon became Freddie's tether to the mortal world, giving her a body for her to return to. So if she tried to give the eidolon to someone else she would lose that tether and die again.
1:59:05 Orpheus is mad at Persephone for doing nothing, but I remember reading she did quite the opposite. Hades was against letting him leave with Euridyce's soul, and Persephone was the one who convinced Hades to accept Orpheus' request.
She can mention this, actually, but it's very dependent on certain dialogue choices that she reveals to Orpheus that she only got Hades to agree to his proposal because the ability to almost "free" Eurydice would be far more cruel than killing him.
2:06:42 - Freddie and Calliope are in the underworld specifically because they were killed by the furies. Their souls then belonged to hades. :D I forgot who explained it but I'm pretty sure it's in the dialogue somewhere. No one besides Athena knows Calliope was killed by the furies (because she did it lol).
I think it doesn't matter if it was the furies. I think it was suppose to be a big reveal that the eidelons would still leave behind parts of the soul to die. I can believe the idea that every soul that pass on the eidolon would then get sent to the underworld. Venus probably had no chance of knowing. From the perspective of the current eidolon holder, they should have only receive memories up to the point of the transfer. As long as none of the idols visit the underworld, nobody would ever see a bunch of proto gods souls running around there. Which begs the question. Are the multiple Aphrodites down there? That would be weird.
@@yiklongtay6029 There would probably be multiple people that have been part of Aphrodite. Remember, their lives and souls are their own, they just inherit godhood and "reflections" of memories.
If Calliope believed in Hades she would have gone there regardless of how she died; they just didn't think she would be down there because they thought an idol's eidolon _was_ their soul. The point about someone being killed by the Furies being sent to Hades is specifically about Freddie being sent there regardless of what her belief of afterlife is
In regards to the sound mixing issues, it is indeed a known issue that the devs are working on, and it is pretty egregious when I played. For those that want to play the game yourselves, I would advise waiting a couple weeks or so until they come out sort out some of the issues since this past hotfix was to correct a really bad save bug. Definitely worth the buy for all the beautiful art, music and talent that went into this! Just wait maybe a little bit to play because during the extremely dramatic music part, the subtitles were 2-3 lines off and that spoiled the experience a little since it was pretty distracting.
I'm naturally an emotional person, but I very rarely ever outright cry from songs. Aphrodite's song did that to me. That's how I know her story and feelings were well executed through her song; that you can feel the struggles and pain. And the decision to have the phrase "lost in a moment, lost in a song" as the climatic harmony was beautiful. Words so simple but can evoke such a torrent of feelings. Combined with the voice actors' ability to embrace the emotions of their parts; this was an emotionally beautiful piece.
I felt so bad for her that when it's my game through, even after getting Eros, Venus and Apollo to convinces her to live, I demanded mercy for her, and let her pass on.
Oof...you came SO CLOSE to saving Freddie...this scene is one that made me legitimately cry when I played through...even though i saved her I had SO MUCH EMOTION
@@vinnygothika7510I'm trying to remember which choice I made, I think it is basically "I Can't I Won't" choice where you're basically refusing to let her die and turn her into the idelon instead
@@FriscoFlame Pretty much you (or at least what I did was this) pick the top (red) option 3 times in a row. First you say "I can't. I won't.", then "I'd give up anything to bring you back", then finally "I need you to live, whatever the cost".
"Orpheus is famous for trying to bring back Euridyce. He's hardly a worthy foe." He's also famous because he has a harpe that he plays EXTREMELY WELL! He could make terrifying monsters fall asleep with his music! JUUUST MAYBE YOU MAY WANNA MENTION THAT TO THE MUSE OF MUSIC?? UH????
Rivers and streams would stop flowing to listen. People being punished in the afterlife would pause in their torment to listen. Apollo would loiter in piloting his chariot across the sky.
The reason Aphrodite struggles so much is because the trauma are the strongest memories. They’re what sticks. Everything else is what’s been forgotten. The things like joy and happiness aren’t what get passed along with the aidolon.
@@WeebtasticPrime Correct, it's heavily implied that the war they're talking about was WWII and Aphrodite was taken prisoner and tortured by the Nazis. Hephaestus made a deal with the US and helped them develop nuclear weapons, helped them win the war and free Aphrodite. So all this wasn't even 80 years ago, if you live for thousands of years that's gotta be like last week.
im really glad this game was made to really show off how voice actors are such amazing singers. theres a part of me that wants a cast album but since every play thru is different i guess there cant be a definitive version of the music. ugh im so happy to have a story/game like this to exist. The Wicked + The Divine is a comic series/graphic novel that has a similar concept but to see a full musical made in a video game format is amazing.
There are four versions of the soundtrack album available! All red, all blue, all green and a "pantheon" version that does mixed choices. It's still not every possible version of every song but it's incredible to listen to!
I was talking about that with a professor of mine, about how Greek Gods are not anything like the Christian God for example, they behave far more human than anything else. In the temperate and sunny environment of Greece what even is there to fear most? Thunderstorms, a turbulent sea and death, all of which correspond to the "strongest" gods, Zeus, Poseidon and Hades.
I was talking about that with a professor of mine, about how Greek Gods are not anything like the Christian God for example, they behave far more human than anything else. In the temperate and sunny environment of Greece what even is there to fear most? Thunderstorms, a turbulent sea and death, all of which correspond to the "strongest" gods, Zeus, Poseidon and Hades.
I was talking about that with a professor of mine, about how Greek Gods are not anything like the Christian God for example, they behave far more human than anything else. In the temperate and sunny environment of Greece what even is there to fear most? Thunderstorms, a turbulent sea and death, all of which correspond to the "strongest" gods, Zeus, Poseidon and Hades.
I was talking about that with a professor of mine, about how Greek Gods are not anything like the Christian God for example, they behave far more human than anything else. In the temperate and sunny environment of Greece what even is there to fear most? Thunderstorms, a turbulent sea and death, all of which correspond to the "strongest" gods, Zeus, Poseidon and Hades.
I was talking about that with a professor of mine, about how Greek Gods are not anything like the Christian God for example, they behave far more human than anything else. In the temperate and sunny environment of Greece what even is there to fear most? Thunderstorms, a turbulent sea and death, all of which correspond to the "strongest" gods, Zeus, Poseidon and Hades.
This was fun to watch. So many of these talented voices who have sat at the Critical Role table, which is actually where I first heard many of those actors.
The way I see it, the gods only remember when they themselves are remembered, are relevant. After the fall of Rome, Christianity whipped out Greek religion, and the notion of Greeko-Roman gods only came back with the Renaissance, in the 16th century, which would explain the notion of 'gap'
To give a bit of more context to Aphrodite’s story, in mythology Aphrodite was “Given” as a bride to Hephaestus after he built, if i’m not misremembering, Zeus’ golden throne. Fact is, Aphrodite really hated Hephaestus, I mean, she was the goddess of beauty and love being married off to a recluse of a blacksmith god, forced to worked underground after Hera, saw how ugly he was and threw him off Olympus as a baby. So, Aphrodite was not happy, but neither was Ares, who wanted to marry her. So being that Hephaestus was working in the forges underground, Aphrodite and Ares began having an affair in the meantime. If this game keeps with that version, then I believe part of Ares’ decision to have Aphrodite captured was also to take her away from a man who “didn’t deserve her” but then again. She was tortured after she was taken . so…
Slight alteration- It was building a throne for Hera. She was incredibly cruel to her own born son (The Helenes were very weird). The throne had a heated element that burnt her while she sat. He wouldn't release his mother until she forced Aphrodite to marry him. It's every direction of f-ed up so whenever these stories make Hephaetus to be a good guy. Grand scheme of the Greek mythology, not the worst but he did some pretty assholish things too.
@@Firegen1 If you think well, pratically all gods did creepy and assholish things, like rape (zeus- transformed in anything to have his way -connectig with alexander and aquilies, poseidon - medusa...) - forced marriage (hephaestus, kind of hades. - i don't remember if there was love at the begining between him and persephone, i just know he took her from her mom...) - Athena punished medusa, which was a priestess at the temple of Athena (in one of the miths) for being raped by poseidon and carrying his child, poor girl really she cried for the protection of athena at the time, she begged for help... - Afrodite was quite spitfull as well she is the goddess of love, even if she was nominated goddess of beauty (which was a competition between her and athena to get that title, and athena was at odds with afrodite because of it, she felt like the title was stolen from her) so she should love the other person for who he is inside and not only the outside appearence... -Ares is literally a brat who wants attention and that's why he is ("loud") VIOLENT and the god of war, he actually got energy or better sayig he feeds of war - rage, suffering, pain, death, caos...he never protected anyone And it goes on and on... Gods had traits of humans, and you can see it by their faults and mistakes, but they also have the worst traits/defects on them. I'm saying this by what i remember so there can be some mistakes or some confusion as i was running through my memory lane...
@@deborasc3511 He maybe didn't protect, but he seems to be the only Greek god who actually punished rapists, when his daughter got raped by a son of Poseidon Ares killed him. Even though that meant offending Poseidon
He was, for the Greeks, explicitly the God of the violence, rage, savagery and chaos of War, whereas Athena was the Goddess of the “civilized” aspects of War, ie the strategy and tactics, organization, command, formations, etc. So in a lot of myths Ares is depicted as even more violent than what the Greeks thought that war normally should be like.
This version of Aphrodite's past is interesting. Usually she is married to Hephastus, but as a punishment from Zeus, because Hephaestus was a cripple, disdained by the other gods, and for Aphrodite, the most beautiful goddess, that was an affront. As for Ares, Aphrodite cheats on Hephaestus with him.
There's also the more common (?) version where Hephaestus demands Aphrodite as a wife in return for letting Hera out of the trap throne he made. I don't think there's a single classic iteration where she married him because she wanted to
The Aphrodite song Red path is such a good version of the song, each path is so good at describing the way she feels depending on the context you put Aphrodite in. I have all versions of the song in my library now because the lost in a moment, everybody, and only way to go are very well crafted.
this sponsorship definitely worked because after i watched your first video of this game, i HAD to buy it. to romance Pan. well, i didn't even know if you COULD *romance* him then... but i HAD to at LEAST be nicer to him. I was going so crazy. crazy. I had to. Who knew my tastes were like this. I'm in love. After playing through once (so far) i gotta say VERY HAPPY CUSTOMER GOOD SHIT GOOD SHIT RIGHT THERE THANK U FOR MY LIFE!!!!!!!! and well i am even more crazy abt Pan i can't stop thinking about Pan I'm genuinely worried that if i replay i'll end up w Pan every time (i'm going to replay right after this anyways) i do wanna romance persephone too... i mean i wanna romance everyone i can but damn the hold Pan has on me 😭 i have not felt like this in a while thank u stray gods please give me a bonus content where i can spend more time w pan i'll miss him terribly Venus was SOOOOOOOOOO cute. Like her voice and manner of speaking and design and everything. I wish we could have seen more of her!!! the main theme has been stuck in my head constantly too 😭😭 (and then i think abt pan and giggle like a schoolgirl) it was so interesting to see your version of the story!!! i'm definitely ready to go replay rn (and cry again)
You can't imagine how validating it feels to know there's someone out there who also really loves Pan, thank you for that As someone who clearly has a thing for charismatic untrustworthy-looking characters, I couldn't just not be an absolute fan (also his voice, the cool garden he lives in, his Morning Fades song, and how sweet he can be when you romance him... I can't) So yeah, you just made my day with your comment
There's so much replay ability with this game due to all the way the songs can change depending on how you weave together the color choices. I really wish you'd seen the red path for Aphrodite's Ritual the first time, it's a really cool song, and I think fits best if you're trying to inspire her to try a new path instead of repeating what she's done four or five times now since the idols escaped to the New World from WWII (The Hephaestus Stain Glass imagery gives it away frankly with the Mushroom Cloud behind him, may have been the mind behind the atomic bomb - this world's Oppenheimer). As someone who similarly struggles with PTSD and others, I felt it best to inspire her to live on because I found empathy and dignity when I needed it most and the story also does the same on all routes. To quote another who'd said it much better: "I was honestly scared of this [red] route. I feared that it would be so insensitive, so ignorant because the stance can easily go that way... I'm so happy with the way they did it. It still acknowledges her state while also emphasizing how the people around her still care about and support her." The imagery for the Red path is also spectacular and on point the whole way through. There's also really interesting tidbits and information you can learn from the other routes about Hephaestus or rather that Grace brings up. Asking what the point was in him sacrificing himself to save her when she doesn't use the chance he gave her other than to wallow (which, to be fair, would be her survivor's guilt), or how she brings up remembering his sacrifice at these parties but where's the statues, the commemoration, etc for him? Why only at these parties? How she keeps stagnating like this (in no small part thanks to the restrictive rules put down by Athena too) and every time she hopes for a different outcome but, with four times this has happened now (fifth with Venus), that _nothing_ has changed for her. She hasn't gotten stronger, the memories only come back as sharp as ever, so maybe she *needs* the change and to attempt a new path. (Plus, it's kinda fucked up that she chooses the kindest and most innocent people to take on her eidolon. While they may choose to do it, Aphrodite _always_ comes back, She *always* remembers, and in doing this - she makes these people *_relive_* a hell that most wouldn't even dream of passing on to others). Edit: The whole game is a coming of age story framed around a murder mystery, where you help and pull hurt and broken people back to their feet to continue onward. Maybe not in the sense of better, as things at first never seem better (especially with most of the story taking place in a week with only a two month epilogue later), but you break their cycles, you can break them free so they *_can_* choose in the future. Edit: 1:10:06 Trans Hermes implied. He/they swag, hell yeah. Edit, again (I don't want to spam comments): 1:13:32 Well, as Freddie mentioned before too, she was more a war goddess and as Apollo also mentioned too, I believe, is that that power mostly translates to Tactical Knowledge, for war. She was the patron of Athens, the Athenians, who prided themselves on their strategies in battle as much as their culture. It's also a factor of Athena being stuck in the past. There's a lot of questions about her still but the main one is: Does she remember everything that happened in the "Gap"? Plus, She's holding on so tight to what was (literally and both being mentioned that she *still* wears a toga), has put down so many rules that has left the other idols restricted and stagnant, that Athena can't grasp the idea of stepping into the modern world because she, too, whether she'd admit it or not, was scarred by WWII and is afraid to rejoin it just as much. And while she does all this - leading them, protecting them, spying on them, threaten them with medusa, etc - she has lost herself, her family, all in the pursuit of preserving what is left when they've never *actually* tried to see if the other Gods they lost are still out there (other than Apollo trying to find one of the other muses lost at the end of the war, plus he can also mention in dialogue about how there are stories of eidolons surviving until they find and choose a new person to pass on to, but it's just they have no proof on *if* it's truly possible). Hell! Hephaestus is still actually alive and well, just still with the U.S. Government, and nobody even _tried_ looking for him! I hope you might play this again or even do just a highlights video of different routes with your reaction, it'd be pretty cool! ❤ (Recommending, again, especially the Red Path for the Ritual and even Green Path with a Red final choice as it's so powerful for Aphrodite. Plus, while Kick-ass seems like the "Asshole" trait, it's really not, it can come off that way certainly but Grace is in a situation where fighting back seems rather appropriate with being on trial to be put to death, it's just a more straightforward and blunt way of helping all of these Idols).
I agree with choosing the red path during aprohdite’s song, that was the first choice in my own playthrough and you basically covered why I made that choice 😂
@@mali5041 Not only the vibe of it but just the way that the chorus is set up, the solo from Eros, and the way she runs out of the scene. Oh! Beautifully depicted.
@@EtGemitusMortis most definitely It's one of my favorite songs too! I've always preferred faster songs so that one was definitely a breath of fresh air
I start with red when she's telling her story, then go green for Lost In A Moment (although that gets Apollo's solo and not Eros') and red for Hold On. I absolutely love the different variations for The Ritual
1 is wrong on two counts; it's those killed by _furies_ and that was only a point they made for Freddie. That regardless of what kind of afterlife she believed in, her soul would be taken to Hades because she was killed by the Furies- not that _only_ people killed by them go there
Imagine if someone introduced Charon to Monopoly. Also I like how Athena was like I'm not powerful enough to undo the curse on Medusa meanwhile she's out here casually summoning the furies.
Oh dang! I knew Orpheus sounded familiar when he started singing. I used to listen to the original broadway cast of Rent ALL THE TIME in high school! (He was Mark!)
I am so happy for this second half, after the first video I checked back CONSTANTLYYY for the rest of it. Humble Games is one of my absolute favorite indie teams. SO many amazing games and they definitely did not disappoint with this one. And watching Gab play through it made it all that much better! Can't wait to play it for myself.
Ah yay!!! After watching the first part of your playthrough, I decided to play the game myself and finished it. Excited to see what ending you'll get! ♥
I think it would make sense that Aphrodite didn't change after all those passings because they leave a bit of themselves in the next one and maybe the 'reflection' left was so strong that that's all that was truly left. Like she kept focusing on it at every end that she continued it into the next line.
The amount of goosebumps I got watching these videos is insane and holy cow....Felicia Day as Athena was mind blowing and I didn't know she had such an incredible singing voice until now. Thank you for playing this....I loved every second of it. :D
Gosh, music is such a wonderful medium in which to tell a story. So much can be expressed with so few words; the melody greatly enhancing emotions behind the words. Done properly, you can almost feel what the singer went through; what they are going through. That number with Aphrodite was just so beautiful. You can see what she went through - obviously depending on your choices throughout the song; to see her emotions in turmoil and just how much in pain she's in. And it all leads up to the resolution; lost in a moment, lost in a song. I very rarely outright cry from hearing a song; the last time I did was when I was a kid watching Titanic and listening to My Heart Will Go On. This one just did that for me. Those eight words - lost in a moment, lost in a song - are so simple but say so much. Everyone sings it but with different emotions. Aphrodite from the pains of her past, Eros from the pain of losing his mother again, and Grace at the shock of what happened and understanding why this is happening. It's just so many different emotions from those words; all of which evoke some kind of pain that you can empathize with. Really, this game is so amazing in its choice of story-telling. There's a perfect mix of spoken dialogue and singing; and the singing is always at moments when it's the most effective. Aphrodite's number is a wondrous example of that; and I'm so glad to have discovered this game.
I loved this game so much more than I thought I did. And the different choices really change the songs and path, some of the songs were completely different watching your playthrough. And one of the few story based games I've played recently where I'm actually eager to play through multiple times.
Freddie seems a fun character to be with, but she knows too much about mythology and thinks it’s weird that Pan wasn’t the god to be murdered. I’m always suspecting she is a goddess disguise or secrets protecting Grace like in love with her mortal life to have fun or is lying to all. However we would be the same myth fanboy energy hahaha 💚💚💚💚🤍💀. Love to see more different runs of the story with you Gab.
THIS! When I watched the first part, I even said in a comment that it was weird that she was supposedly a mortal, but knew WAY TOO MUCH about the Greek Gods and Goddesses. Someone told me she studied Mythology, but where is that said in the game? I don't remember it being said. I'm still not convinced she's just a mortal who knows a lot.
See that's the thing about choosing between Freddie and Pan. Freddie knows the Mythology, but her perspective is as exagerrated and skewed (human perspective). Pan on the other hand knows the "Idols", the actual beings with personalities and trauma of their own. So the whole thing really about picking sides is "do you want to treat the gods based of the skewed but recorded information, or treat the gods like human based on one of the folks who lived like that?" Freddie reading a lot also pre-defines her perspective in many ways. I think that long term friendships cannot survived base purely yes-saying to anything, it's also the guts to tell your friend that they might have fucked up in some parts of their assumption too.
Thanks for posting this! I was actually on the fence about getting this game for awhile, then I started watching (listening to) your playthrough on a Friday at work. I loved it so much that I bought it and spent the weekend playing it myself before finishing your playthrough myself. I really like Apollo's voice so I romanced him first. His romance is so sweet, and the song is adorable. Next, I'll go for Persephone, then Pan. Saving Freddie for last because she's the true ending in my heart. It's a pretty short game, so I don't think it'll take long. Maybe then I can play all the other dating sims I'm working through. Lol
I actually somehow found the trailer for this a while ago and was really looking forward to playing this. Freddie's death, and especially your conversation with her in the Underworld actually brought a tear to my eye.
2:28:14 getting real Aziraphale and Crowley vibes from Calliope and Persephone lol! Especially given this VERY Aziraphale-looking painting in her office
I do think the soul in Hades thing makes more sense than the previous iteration just disappearing actually, because the persons that become idols do have their own soul before getting the eidolon which is the only thing that gets transmitted. In a way that's kind of reassuring, means that the OG soul doesn't gets destroyed or whatever when the eidolon finishes kicking in Also I don't necessarily think that's weird that specifically Aphrodite doesn't know more from dying more because the eidolon that contains Aphrodite as an entity has no memory of being dead and in the Hades That's a bit silly that none of the idols ever considered it though That memory transmission seems really scary though, even if you bring a part of yourself in the mix you can't truly stay yourself when you suddenly get thousands of years of past experiences
Yes!! I just wish they had explained it simply as the original/human souls remaining after the eidolon passes along. They were whole people who existed before the eidolon joined them. They could have even made some kinda point about the idols forgetting/not thinking of that possibility bc they're so engrossed in the whole being *IDOLS* part of it and not imagining that the human soul could persist rather than just becoming part of the all consuming all powerful "god" or w/e. Similarly w the memories thing - yeah, that's scary to me too. To suddenly have your whole self drowned out in so much other life.... maybe other versions than mine heard a bigger fuss about it but damn i felt like that went over my Grace's head, meanwhile here i was horrified for her 🥲
2:08:33 I asked myself the same question, but I think that the memories of that "war" are more recent than others (Not something that happened fifteen hundred years ago, but a century ago.) My theory is that it is about the second world war (when They spoke of Hephaestus there were drawings of atomic bombs and also the mention of "supremacy")
Charon is the best, I love them, baby Also to answer your question about Aphrodite - depending on different choices in her convo with you (or maybe someone else? I can't remember), it is mentioned that the more times someone passes their eidolon to someone, the oldest memories are forgotten. So she hopes to one day wake up and forget about the war entirely (so she thinks can happen).
Also, think it would be hard for her to forget. She made a whole part of all of her lifes at the "New World" based on her trauma and walks through the same path in a eternal cicle of remembering pain the worst way she could. Her new lifes are always reigniting the memories of the trauma
Seeing how Their Boss Athena is so such a screwed up leader, breaking more than a few of her own rules, but always going rules must be obeyed , I think it certainly is normal that the idols will be all as Pan said, lying and scheming most of the time
My first playthrough, I made the 'mistake' of saving Freddie while I was trying to romance Persephone lol. Also, I hasn't seen this ending before, I've always reflexively gone with the "I've got some ideas" ending because it's usually available for me and it's just so cool. It's such a great game in the end, and although I'd been waiting for it for MONTHS and had hyped myself up for it, it definitely lived up to my expectations. The music is amazing, the vocals are awesome, the writing, the look, EVERYTHING is just SO good. My only complaint being that, in the scene down in Hades with Calliope, her audio is super quiet compared to everything else. My favourite songs are the ones where Persephone is involved, but probably my favourite cute moment is the whole scene between Asterion and Kate. Rahul just gives Asterion so much adorable awkwardness!
Omg I've been hoping for this notif to appear and it finally happened so I ZOOMED here!! Super excited to get cozy and see what goes down ♡ thank you for sharing this gem of a game
52:39 "she choses the kindest, most innocent souls on purpose" wait, thats even more fucked up then? She choses good people and make em go through hell? And I agree that if she picked someone who ready had trauma and overcame it maybe that would help her more...
She doesn't choose them as a punishment, but because that's what Aphrodite genuinely values in her successors. If you pick an awful person and give them a boatload of pain, what are they going to then do with godly powers? Probably nothing good. I saw this sentiment in the twitch chat during this section too, a lot of people seemed really quick to assume that Aphrodite was somehow tricking or manipulating Venus into doing this. But talk to Venus and you don't get that impression at all. As Apollo says, Aphrodite chooses people who she thinks will make her a better person - and kind does not equate to weak.
man i love how gab kept interrupting dialogue and talking about some rly genius insights, and that one where shes like “dafuq just keep her alive for a while then” XD
You're not really taking in that mirror metaphor. Calliope says the memories are reflections, but that doesn't mean the reflections just vanish if the Idol feels like it. Think of it like fun house mirrors. They warp and sometimes things get lost, and in Aphrodites case, the trauma just keeps getting bigger and scarier. Reflections of reflections are warped but don't just go away.
2:14:10 I think Calliope was meant to die either way. Hecate said that they would have met, become friend and in a few months there would be a car accident.
I appreciate that you brought us along on the journey with you, this was such a lovely game! I hope they make a sequel or another game in this world eventually.
I Greek mythology calliope and Apollo have kids together and had a relationship. I love mythology so I wanted to know more about it and found this out. It honestly explains alot about how Apollo is in this game
@@rmsgrey okay yeah, I went with green, but chose Red in the final choice, so she lived, it gives the song an extra boost as well, unlike choosing green again (which is good too, but not as powerful)
I just love this story!! So sad about Freddie and Aphrodite. I really loved the singing! Thank you so much for playing it!! Off to find my next adventure!!❤❤
9:55 there are definitely female heroes in Greek mythology? Psyche was my favorite one because hers is one of the few with a happy ending, she went through a whole bunch of trials and everything and ended up becoming a goddess and marrying Eros
From the context, she clearly means "hero" in the classical sense of the word, as in a warrior that you would find at the center of a Homeric epic (i.e. Odysseus, Achilles, Perseus). Female characters could sometimes play key roles in these works (for example, Penelope in the Odyssey), but their roles would be relatively minor compared to the male heroes.
I think the reason for the bad audio is because it might be a covid project? during that time most voice actors had to scramble to put together a home studio, and i guess some had better Equipment than others. For Laura Bailey and others from the Critical role family, there is a video showing that on youtube, i think it's part of the "The Legend of Vox Machina" background series😊
I'm kind of bummed out that the playthrough is over. I feel empty like when I complete watching the end season of a show. I want to know about other routes the game can go, so this might convince me to buy and play the game myself. This was fun to watch!
I really love the symbolism of Grace being "a boat lost at sea" and Calliope, which is also the name of a constellation, being her guide Also, the character designs are driving me crazy (in a good way) I love this interpretation of Greek mythology, especially since it reminds me so much of Percy Jackson The characters are so well written, literally every single one is likeable, I cannot find one character I truly hate What an amazing game overall, the writing, art, music, and programming must've taken so much time :0 ...And also Hermes is my favorite, they are the best imo :]
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As a disabled person I LOVE that Venus uses a wheelchair without it being a plot point.
Same!! I was so surprised by it, especially that nobody particularly brought attention to it or made a big deal about it. I love casual representation, it’s so lovely to see!
@@ellespoonies right! I was expecting them to magically “cure” Venus or something!
I looked up the voice actor and she uses a wheelchair too!
I am a person who uses a wheelchair too and was so pleased by the representation! The actor herself also has a disability. Very cool!
I agree. There was the one comment about ~strength~ and that was all. I want to see how her story goes after the events of the main game! Much love, fellow disabled Quinn 💜💜💜
The reason why Aphrodite is still in her PTSD is that it was recently. Very recently.
In the song, when you see hephaestus' image, there are bombs dropping.
Ares sold olympus to the germans in 1940s, i presume, so hephaestus sold himself to america and gave them the ultimate weapon - the nuclear bomb.
OH I see now
so I’m assuming that the first war area didn’t get to be a part of was world war 1?
So in short Hephaestus is really Oppenheimer? :D
@@AquaLunaria maybe he passed his eidolon to him, yeah.
At least he whispered in Oppenheimers ear
my mind is BLOWN
Charon has officially become my favourite! He already was at the top but I just adore the idea of him ferrying souls across the river styx and being like, "You got any games on your phone?"
*New Unrealistic Nonbinary Goals Just Dropped*
Can't blame the guy, bet it's boring as hell (ha) after thousands and thousands of years.
Grace and Freddie should just get a nice cottage in the underworld. Have Board Game Night with Persephone and Charon every so often.
“Underworld Cottagecore” is the Pinterest mood board I didn’t know I needed
Athena: Zeus was the first to go, vanished, into the ether...
Gab: Maybe he's an electrician?
I mean he is, technically.
I love how Eros is distraught about mortals wanting him just for sex and putting up a face of coldness and not caring but not even that deep down he's just a muscle bear that needs to be hugged and to be loved for who he is.
yo that IS most people's relationship to sex lol
@@epicdogbattlesno kidding - both the DYF factor and “I JUST WANT SOMEONE TO LOVE ME 😢”
[SPOILER] It sucks that you weren't able to save Freddie! Depending on the dialogue you choose, you can transfer your Eidolon to her, thereby bringing her back to life.
Yeah, essentially any blue choice during that song lets her go.
You gotta want her to live, even if it's selfish.
I think it very much leans into channeling the spirit of Calliope and enacting change where you can make it happen. The two should be allowed to be selfish for each other and fight side-by-side.
I don't like the idea that Fređie come back just to one day watch Grace die...
@@roseiesb2541 not sure if it was intended to be systematically used, but they introduced the concept of giving up your godhood to bring back another soul. So theoretically, Fred could pass her eidolon back to opera Calliope in Hades and be normal? When this scene happened, I actually thought it was going to be that both Freddie and Grace were going to both mortals (kinda like in Disney Hercules, godhood in exchange for a life, fulfilling the loop hole of the Last Muse dying prophecy as well by ridding the power) and then it was going to be a placebo effect of everyone singing at the trial due to how much influence Grace had on everyone's lives and how much they want change too. But meh that's not what the story had in mind sadly.
@@dracorium9100The way I interpreted that scene was that the eidolon became Freddie's tether to the mortal world, giving her a body for her to return to. So if she tried to give the eidolon to someone else she would lose that tether and die again.
Orpheus is played by Anthony Rapp. A seasoned Broadway singer so of course his vocal is one of the best in the game
I was thinking about it!! I was like wait he sounds straight out of a musical
1:59:05 Orpheus is mad at Persephone for doing nothing, but I remember reading she did quite the opposite. Hades was against letting him leave with Euridyce's soul, and Persephone was the one who convinced Hades to accept Orpheus' request.
She can mention this, actually, but it's very dependent on certain dialogue choices that she reveals to Orpheus that she only got Hades to agree to his proposal because the ability to almost "free" Eurydice would be far more cruel than killing him.
Eros started singing, and it hit even harder, I'm sobbing, it's so good.
2:06:42 - Freddie and Calliope are in the underworld specifically because they were killed by the furies. Their souls then belonged to hades. :D I forgot who explained it but I'm pretty sure it's in the dialogue somewhere. No one besides Athena knows Calliope was killed by the furies (because she did it lol).
I think it doesn't matter if it was the furies. I think it was suppose to be a big reveal that the eidelons would still leave behind parts of the soul to die. I can believe the idea that every soul that pass on the eidolon would then get sent to the underworld.
Venus probably had no chance of knowing. From the perspective of the current eidolon holder, they should have only receive memories up to the point of the transfer. As long as none of the idols visit the underworld, nobody would ever see a bunch of proto gods souls running around there. Which begs the question. Are the multiple Aphrodites down there? That would be weird.
@@yiklongtay6029 There would probably be multiple people that have been part of Aphrodite. Remember, their lives and souls are their own, they just inherit godhood and "reflections" of memories.
If Calliope believed in Hades she would have gone there regardless of how she died; they just didn't think she would be down there because they thought an idol's eidolon _was_ their soul. The point about someone being killed by the Furies being sent to Hades is specifically about Freddie being sent there regardless of what her belief of afterlife is
In regards to the sound mixing issues, it is indeed a known issue that the devs are working on, and it is pretty egregious when I played. For those that want to play the game yourselves, I would advise waiting a couple weeks or so until they come out sort out some of the issues since this past hotfix was to correct a really bad save bug. Definitely worth the buy for all the beautiful art, music and talent that went into this! Just wait maybe a little bit to play because during the extremely dramatic music part, the subtitles were 2-3 lines off and that spoiled the experience a little since it was pretty distracting.
I literally cried when I saw what happened to Aphrodite, I wanted her so badly to be okay
I'm naturally an emotional person, but I very rarely ever outright cry from songs. Aphrodite's song did that to me. That's how I know her story and feelings were well executed through her song; that you can feel the struggles and pain.
And the decision to have the phrase "lost in a moment, lost in a song" as the climatic harmony was beautiful. Words so simple but can evoke such a torrent of feelings. Combined with the voice actors' ability to embrace the emotions of their parts; this was an emotionally beautiful piece.
I felt so bad for her that when it's my game through, even after getting Eros, Venus and Apollo to convinces her to live, I demanded mercy for her, and let her pass on.
Oof...you came SO CLOSE to saving Freddie...this scene is one that made me legitimately cry when I played through...even though i saved her I had SO MUCH EMOTION
So you can save her? What did you need to specifically do?
@@vinnygothika7510I'm trying to remember which choice I made, I think it is basically "I Can't I Won't" choice where you're basically refusing to let her die and turn her into the idelon instead
@@FriscoFlame Pretty much you (or at least what I did was this) pick the top (red) option 3 times in a row. First you say "I can't. I won't.", then "I'd give up anything to bring you back", then finally "I need you to live, whatever the cost".
"Orpheus is famous for trying to bring back Euridyce. He's hardly a worthy foe." He's also famous because he has a harpe that he plays EXTREMELY WELL! He could make terrifying monsters fall asleep with his music! JUUUST MAYBE YOU MAY WANNA MENTION THAT TO THE MUSE OF MUSIC?? UH????
They also missed the chance to mention he's a son of Calliope, which I think while a small line would've been interesting to talk about.
Rivers and streams would stop flowing to listen. People being punished in the afterlife would pause in their torment to listen. Apollo would loiter in piloting his chariot across the sky.
ALSO CALLIOPE WAS HIS MOM! We had a chance for Grace to sing, “Hello son! I’m new mom! Have you been a good boy?”
The reason Aphrodite struggles so much is because the trauma are the strongest memories. They’re what sticks. Everything else is what’s been forgotten. The things like joy and happiness aren’t what get passed along with the aidolon.
Yes. They're not even memories in the normal sense. It's possible to have traumatic responses to things you don't even consciously remember.
@@foxfire9320yep, trauma can even be passed on through generations, though it does stop after enough
my personal head cannon is that those are the FIRST memories she gets back, and she never has stayed long enough to get to the good memories
Also, because of the forgetting hasn't caught up.
They only get forgotten after multiple millennia, but the war was far less old prolly
@@WeebtasticPrime Correct, it's heavily implied that the war they're talking about was WWII and Aphrodite was taken prisoner and tortured by the Nazis. Hephaestus made a deal with the US and helped them develop nuclear weapons, helped them win the war and free Aphrodite. So all this wasn't even 80 years ago, if you live for thousands of years that's gotta be like last week.
im really glad this game was made to really show off how voice actors are such amazing singers. theres a part of me that wants a cast album but since every play thru is different i guess there cant be a definitive version of the music. ugh im so happy to have a story/game like this to exist. The Wicked + The Divine is a comic series/graphic novel that has a similar concept but to see a full musical made in a video game format is amazing.
There are four versions of the soundtrack album available! All red, all blue, all green and a "pantheon" version that does mixed choices. It's still not every possible version of every song but it's incredible to listen to!
"It's hard relating to a God" yet the ancient greek gods are the most relatable of all gods in my opinion. They were even "created" with that in mind.
I was talking about that with a professor of mine, about how Greek Gods are not anything like the Christian God for example, they behave far more human than anything else. In the temperate and sunny environment of Greece what even is there to fear most? Thunderstorms, a turbulent sea and death, all of which correspond to the "strongest" gods, Zeus, Poseidon and Hades.
I was talking about that with a professor of mine, about how Greek Gods are not anything like the Christian God for example, they behave far more human than anything else. In the temperate and sunny environment of Greece what even is there to fear most? Thunderstorms, a turbulent sea and death, all of which correspond to the "strongest" gods, Zeus, Poseidon and Hades.
I was talking about that with a professor of mine, about how Greek Gods are not anything like the Christian God for example, they behave far more human than anything else. In the temperate and sunny environment of Greece what even is there to fear most? Thunderstorms, a turbulent sea and death, all of which correspond to the "strongest" gods, Zeus, Poseidon and Hades.
I was talking about that with a professor of mine, about how Greek Gods are not anything like the Christian God for example, they behave far more human than anything else. In the temperate and sunny environment of Greece what even is there to fear most? Thunderstorms, a turbulent sea and death, all of which correspond to the "strongest" gods, Zeus, Poseidon and Hades.
I was talking about that with a professor of mine, about how Greek Gods are not anything like the Christian God for example, they behave far more human than anything else. In the temperate and sunny environment of Greece what even is there to fear most? Thunderstorms, a turbulent sea and death, all of which correspond to the "strongest" gods, Zeus, Poseidon and Hades.
"Do you need any help from removing the stick from your A$$" best Gab quote ever LOL
This was fun to watch. So many of these talented voices who have sat at the Critical Role table, which is actually where I first heard many of those actors.
After the first voiced Grace line I was like, "IS THAT LAURA???" And then a cascade of big lovable nerds showed up as other characters!
Picking the name venus aka Aphrodites roman name is such a good little detail
this!!
The way I see it, the gods only remember when they themselves are remembered, are relevant. After the fall of Rome, Christianity whipped out Greek religion, and the notion of Greeko-Roman gods only came back with the Renaissance, in the 16th century, which would explain the notion of 'gap'
To give a bit of more context to Aphrodite’s story, in mythology Aphrodite was “Given” as a bride to Hephaestus after he built, if i’m not misremembering, Zeus’ golden throne. Fact is, Aphrodite really hated Hephaestus, I mean, she was the goddess of beauty and love being married off to a recluse of a blacksmith god, forced to worked underground after Hera, saw how ugly he was and threw him off Olympus as a baby. So, Aphrodite was not happy, but neither was Ares, who wanted to marry her. So being that Hephaestus was working in the forges underground, Aphrodite and Ares began having an affair in the meantime. If this game keeps with that version, then I believe part of Ares’ decision to have Aphrodite captured was also to take her away from a man who “didn’t deserve her” but then again. She was tortured after she was taken . so…
Slight alteration- It was building a throne for Hera. She was incredibly cruel to her own born son (The Helenes were very weird).
The throne had a heated element that burnt her while she sat. He wouldn't release his mother until she forced Aphrodite to marry him. It's every direction of f-ed up so whenever these stories make Hephaetus to be a good guy. Grand scheme of the Greek mythology, not the worst but he did some pretty assholish things too.
@@Firegen1 If you think well, pratically all gods did creepy and assholish things, like rape (zeus- transformed in anything to have his way -connectig with alexander and aquilies, poseidon - medusa...)
- forced marriage (hephaestus, kind of hades. - i don't remember if there was love at the begining between him and persephone, i just know he took her from her mom...)
- Athena punished medusa, which was a priestess at the temple of Athena (in one of the miths) for being raped by poseidon and carrying his child, poor girl really she cried for the protection of athena at the time, she begged for help...
- Afrodite was quite spitfull as well she is the goddess of love, even if she was nominated goddess of beauty (which was a competition between her and athena to get that title, and athena was at odds with afrodite because of it, she felt like the title was stolen from her) so she should love the other person for who he is inside and not only the outside appearence...
-Ares is literally a brat who wants attention and that's why he is ("loud") VIOLENT and the god of war, he actually got energy or better sayig he feeds of war - rage, suffering, pain, death, caos...he never protected anyone
And it goes on and on...
Gods had traits of humans, and you can see it by their faults and mistakes, but they also have the worst traits/defects on them.
I'm saying this by what i remember so there can be some mistakes or some confusion as i was running through my memory lane...
@@deborasc3511 He maybe didn't protect, but he seems to be the only Greek god who actually punished rapists, when his daughter got raped by a son of Poseidon Ares killed him. Even though that meant offending Poseidon
I love seeing "the god of WAR is VIOLENT" as a hot take lmao, like yeah no shit 😭
He was, for the Greeks, explicitly the God of the violence, rage, savagery and chaos of War, whereas Athena was the Goddess of the “civilized” aspects of War, ie the strategy and tactics, organization, command, formations, etc.
So in a lot of myths Ares is depicted as even more violent than what the Greeks thought that war normally should be like.
This version of Aphrodite's past is interesting. Usually she is married to Hephastus, but as a punishment from Zeus, because Hephaestus was a cripple, disdained by the other gods, and for Aphrodite, the most beautiful goddess, that was an affront. As for Ares, Aphrodite cheats on Hephaestus with him.
There's also the more common (?) version where Hephaestus demands Aphrodite as a wife in return for letting Hera out of the trap throne he made. I don't think there's a single classic iteration where she married him because she wanted to
1:56:02 Orpheus is the original cast Mark from Rent, Anthony Rapp. He is fantastic!
The Aphrodite and Eros song. I'm not crying, you're crying
The Aphrodite song Red path is such a good version of the song, each path is so good at describing the way she feels depending on the context you put Aphrodite in. I have all versions of the song in my library now because the lost in a moment, everybody, and only way to go are very well crafted.
Yeah! The ritual is sooooo good in all it's versions ❤❤
This was such a joy to watch. So many goosebumps!! Beautiful singing and so cool!
The music is so awesome too!
I looked it up, and there is a way to romance/save Freddie. You were one choice away from making it happen.
this sponsorship definitely worked because after i watched your first video of this game, i HAD to buy it. to romance Pan. well, i didn't even know if you COULD *romance* him then... but i HAD to at LEAST be nicer to him. I was going so crazy. crazy. I had to. Who knew my tastes were like this. I'm in love.
After playing through once (so far) i gotta say VERY HAPPY CUSTOMER GOOD SHIT GOOD SHIT RIGHT THERE THANK U FOR MY LIFE!!!!!!!! and well i am even more crazy abt Pan i can't stop thinking about Pan I'm genuinely worried that if i replay i'll end up w Pan every time (i'm going to replay right after this anyways)
i do wanna romance persephone too... i mean i wanna romance everyone i can but damn the hold Pan has on me 😭 i have not felt like this in a while thank u stray gods please give me a bonus content where i can spend more time w pan i'll miss him terribly
Venus was SOOOOOOOOOO cute. Like her voice and manner of speaking and design and everything. I wish we could have seen more of her!!!
the main theme has been stuck in my head constantly too 😭😭 (and then i think abt pan and giggle like a schoolgirl)
it was so interesting to see your version of the story!!! i'm definitely ready to go replay rn (and cry again)
You can't imagine how validating it feels to know there's someone out there who also really loves Pan, thank you for that
As someone who clearly has a thing for charismatic untrustworthy-looking characters, I couldn't just not be an absolute fan (also his voice, the cool garden he lives in, his Morning Fades song, and how sweet he can be when you romance him... I can't)
So yeah, you just made my day with your comment
There's so much replay ability with this game due to all the way the songs can change depending on how you weave together the color choices.
I really wish you'd seen the red path for Aphrodite's Ritual the first time, it's a really cool song, and I think fits best if you're trying to inspire her to try a new path instead of repeating what she's done four or five times now since the idols escaped to the New World from WWII (The Hephaestus Stain Glass imagery gives it away frankly with the Mushroom Cloud behind him, may have been the mind behind the atomic bomb - this world's Oppenheimer). As someone who similarly struggles with PTSD and others, I felt it best to inspire her to live on because I found empathy and dignity when I needed it most and the story also does the same on all routes. To quote another who'd said it much better: "I was honestly scared of this [red] route. I feared that it would be so insensitive, so ignorant because the stance can easily go that way... I'm so happy with the way they did it. It still acknowledges her state while also emphasizing how the people around her still care about and support her." The imagery for the Red path is also spectacular and on point the whole way through.
There's also really interesting tidbits and information you can learn from the other routes about Hephaestus or rather that Grace brings up. Asking what the point was in him sacrificing himself to save her when she doesn't use the chance he gave her other than to wallow (which, to be fair, would be her survivor's guilt), or how she brings up remembering his sacrifice at these parties but where's the statues, the commemoration, etc for him? Why only at these parties? How she keeps stagnating like this (in no small part thanks to the restrictive rules put down by Athena too) and every time she hopes for a different outcome but, with four times this has happened now (fifth with Venus), that _nothing_ has changed for her. She hasn't gotten stronger, the memories only come back as sharp as ever, so maybe she *needs* the change and to attempt a new path. (Plus, it's kinda fucked up that she chooses the kindest and most innocent people to take on her eidolon. While they may choose to do it, Aphrodite _always_ comes back, She *always* remembers, and in doing this - she makes these people *_relive_* a hell that most wouldn't even dream of passing on to others).
Edit: The whole game is a coming of age story framed around a murder mystery, where you help and pull hurt and broken people back to their feet to continue onward. Maybe not in the sense of better, as things at first never seem better (especially with most of the story taking place in a week with only a two month epilogue later), but you break their cycles, you can break them free so they *_can_* choose in the future.
Edit: 1:10:06 Trans Hermes implied. He/they swag, hell yeah.
Edit, again (I don't want to spam comments): 1:13:32 Well, as Freddie mentioned before too, she was more a war goddess and as Apollo also mentioned too, I believe, is that that power mostly translates to Tactical Knowledge, for war. She was the patron of Athens, the Athenians, who prided themselves on their strategies in battle as much as their culture. It's also a factor of Athena being stuck in the past. There's a lot of questions about her still but the main one is: Does she remember everything that happened in the "Gap"? Plus, She's holding on so tight to what was (literally and both being mentioned that she *still* wears a toga), has put down so many rules that has left the other idols restricted and stagnant, that Athena can't grasp the idea of stepping into the modern world because she, too, whether she'd admit it or not, was scarred by WWII and is afraid to rejoin it just as much. And while she does all this - leading them, protecting them, spying on them, threaten them with medusa, etc - she has lost herself, her family, all in the pursuit of preserving what is left when they've never *actually* tried to see if the other Gods they lost are still out there (other than Apollo trying to find one of the other muses lost at the end of the war, plus he can also mention in dialogue about how there are stories of eidolons surviving until they find and choose a new person to pass on to, but it's just they have no proof on *if* it's truly possible). Hell! Hephaestus is still actually alive and well, just still with the U.S. Government, and nobody even _tried_ looking for him!
I hope you might play this again or even do just a highlights video of different routes with your reaction, it'd be pretty cool! ❤ (Recommending, again, especially the Red Path for the Ritual and even Green Path with a Red final choice as it's so powerful for Aphrodite. Plus, while Kick-ass seems like the "Asshole" trait, it's really not, it can come off that way certainly but Grace is in a situation where fighting back seems rather appropriate with being on trial to be put to death, it's just a more straightforward and blunt way of helping all of these Idols).
You wrote a damn book in the comments wow!
@@theIaurenshow 🤭 I couldn't help myself. Keep adding more as I go on lol. (Plus I've played the game at least 10 times now?)
I agree with choosing the red path during aprohdite’s song, that was the first choice in my own playthrough and you basically covered why I made that choice 😂
@@mali5041 Not only the vibe of it but just the way that the chorus is set up, the solo from Eros, and the way she runs out of the scene. Oh! Beautifully depicted.
@@EtGemitusMortis most definitely It's one of my favorite songs too! I've always preferred faster songs so that one was definitely a breath of fresh air
You got to do Aphrodite’s red path just to listen to it.
I like the red path because it adds that punk rock flavour the trait promised. But man, the green path with red ending is so emotional...
@@the13thtonino56 I did Blue into Red and it's so good.
I mixed it up, starting with blue, mostly red and then ended in green. She deserves mercy and peace.
I start with red when she's telling her story, then go green for Lost In A Moment (although that gets Apollo's solo and not Eros') and red for Hold On. I absolutely love the different variations for The Ritual
2:06:50 two reasons. 1) Only those killed by Fates are there. 2) Calliope’s soul was supposed to be inside Grace
1 is wrong on two counts; it's those killed by _furies_ and that was only a point they made for Freddie. That regardless of what kind of afterlife she believed in, her soul would be taken to Hades because she was killed by the Furies- not that _only_ people killed by them go there
@@emackenzie ah yeah, furies not fates
Imagine if someone introduced Charon to Monopoly. Also I like how Athena was like I'm not powerful enough to undo the curse on Medusa meanwhile she's out here casually summoning the furies.
RIGHT
There's an ending where Athena is dedicating herself to removing Medusa's curse - and apparently making surprisingly good progress now.
25:53 "If there was a man or woman I desired, then I had to have them or there would be consequences"
*chanting* Cassandra Cassandra Cassandraaa
[SPOILERS]
Freddie: **literally dying**
Gab: “well there goes my interest 🙂”
Ikr lol
Ending already 🫨 i thought i skipped a video and went back to check 😢 I wish this was a longer series! I absolutely LOVED itttttt 😍😍
I’ve been so excited for the end of this. The first half was beautiful 💜
Oh dang! I knew Orpheus sounded familiar when he started singing. I used to listen to the original broadway cast of Rent ALL THE TIME in high school! (He was Mark!)
1:56:17 funniest part of this game. The way Persephone’s VA delivered that line will forever live rent free in my head XD
I am so happy for this second half, after the first video I checked back CONSTANTLYYY for the rest of it. Humble Games is one of my absolute favorite indie teams. SO many amazing games and they definitely did not disappoint with this one. And watching Gab play through it made it all that much better! Can't wait to play it for myself.
Ah yay!!! After watching the first part of your playthrough, I decided to play the game myself and finished it. Excited to see what ending you'll get! ♥
I think it would make sense that Aphrodite didn't change after all those passings because they leave a bit of themselves in the next one and maybe the 'reflection' left was so strong that that's all that was truly left. Like she kept focusing on it at every end that she continued it into the next line.
I don't know buddy, torture during the WWII would DEFINITELY do that to you, and your children, and your grand-children. Hence... generational trauma.
Hearing Sean scream in the background of Gabs vids is always a highlight, makes me cackle. Really loved this series! I couldn't wait for the next vid!
Gab playing so many good games that I cant stop buying them
The amount of goosebumps I got watching these videos is insane and holy cow....Felicia Day as Athena was mind blowing and I didn't know she had such an incredible singing voice until now. Thank you for playing this....I loved every second of it. :D
You've watched Dr. Horrible's Sing-Along Blog, right?! I watched it FOREVER ago and to this day I still burst into songs from that!
@@happybunnybutt I haven't...does that have her in it as well? :D
@@Creothina Yeah, she's the female lead.
Gosh, music is such a wonderful medium in which to tell a story. So much can be expressed with so few words; the melody greatly enhancing emotions behind the words. Done properly, you can almost feel what the singer went through; what they are going through.
That number with Aphrodite was just so beautiful. You can see what she went through - obviously depending on your choices throughout the song; to see her emotions in turmoil and just how much in pain she's in. And it all leads up to the resolution; lost in a moment, lost in a song.
I very rarely outright cry from hearing a song; the last time I did was when I was a kid watching Titanic and listening to My Heart Will Go On. This one just did that for me.
Those eight words - lost in a moment, lost in a song - are so simple but say so much. Everyone sings it but with different emotions. Aphrodite from the pains of her past, Eros from the pain of losing his mother again, and Grace at the shock of what happened and understanding why this is happening. It's just so many different emotions from those words; all of which evoke some kind of pain that you can empathize with.
Really, this game is so amazing in its choice of story-telling. There's a perfect mix of spoken dialogue and singing; and the singing is always at moments when it's the most effective. Aphrodite's number is a wondrous example of that; and I'm so glad to have discovered this game.
I loved this game so much more than I thought I did. And the different choices really change the songs and path, some of the songs were completely different watching your playthrough. And one of the few story based games I've played recently where I'm actually eager to play through multiple times.
Freddie seems a fun character to be with, but she knows too much about mythology and thinks it’s weird that Pan wasn’t the god to be murdered. I’m always suspecting she is a goddess disguise or secrets protecting Grace like in love with her mortal life to have fun or is lying to all. However we would be the same myth fanboy energy hahaha 💚💚💚💚🤍💀. Love to see more different runs of the story with you Gab.
THIS! When I watched the first part, I even said in a comment that it was weird that she was supposedly a mortal, but knew WAY TOO MUCH about the Greek Gods and Goddesses. Someone told me she studied Mythology, but where is that said in the game? I don't remember it being said. I'm still not convinced she's just a mortal who knows a lot.
I knew even more than her lol. She could just be interested in mythology, not everything needs to be a major character twist lol.
Yeah same. I‘m a bit rusty but still can hold up with her knowledge. And I promise, I am also not a god ;)
@@cuileth3369Sounds exactly like something a god would say...
See that's the thing about choosing between Freddie and Pan. Freddie knows the Mythology, but her perspective is as exagerrated and skewed (human perspective). Pan on the other hand knows the "Idols", the actual beings with personalities and trauma of their own. So the whole thing really about picking sides is "do you want to treat the gods based of the skewed but recorded information, or treat the gods like human based on one of the folks who lived like that?" Freddie reading a lot also pre-defines her perspective in many ways. I think that long term friendships cannot survived base purely yes-saying to anything, it's also the guts to tell your friend that they might have fucked up in some parts of their assumption too.
Stray gods was an awesome play through to watch! I love the music, the voice acting and the songs! thanks for the video gab!❤
Thanks for posting this! I was actually on the fence about getting this game for awhile, then I started watching (listening to) your playthrough on a Friday at work. I loved it so much that I bought it and spent the weekend playing it myself before finishing your playthrough myself.
I really like Apollo's voice so I romanced him first. His romance is so sweet, and the song is adorable. Next, I'll go for Persephone, then Pan. Saving Freddie for last because she's the true ending in my heart. It's a pretty short game, so I don't think it'll take long.
Maybe then I can play all the other dating sims I'm working through. Lol
Clicked so fast when I say the notification! Nothing like a Gab video to improve the day ❤
Hahahaha same!! 😂❤
Anthony Rapp's voice is soooooooo recognizable!!!
The ferryman is my favorite their so adorable in a way!
Laura Bailey is the best voice actress ever.
I actually somehow found the trailer for this a while ago and was really looking forward to playing this. Freddie's death, and especially your conversation with her in the Underworld actually brought a tear to my eye.
Favourite character for me is probably Hecate. But Charon is such a sweety so he's a close second.
So much of this game hits too close to home for me. It made me cry several times, and I don't really do that anymore.
2:28:14 getting real Aziraphale and Crowley vibes from Calliope and Persephone lol! Especially given this VERY Aziraphale-looking painting in her office
I do think the soul in Hades thing makes more sense than the previous iteration just disappearing actually, because the persons that become idols do have their own soul before getting the eidolon which is the only thing that gets transmitted. In a way that's kind of reassuring, means that the OG soul doesn't gets destroyed or whatever when the eidolon finishes kicking in
Also I don't necessarily think that's weird that specifically Aphrodite doesn't know more from dying more because the eidolon that contains Aphrodite as an entity has no memory of being dead and in the Hades
That's a bit silly that none of the idols ever considered it though
That memory transmission seems really scary though, even if you bring a part of yourself in the mix you can't truly stay yourself when you suddenly get thousands of years of past experiences
Yes!! I just wish they had explained it simply as the original/human souls remaining after the eidolon passes along. They were whole people who existed before the eidolon joined them. They could have even made some kinda point about the idols forgetting/not thinking of that possibility bc they're so engrossed in the whole being *IDOLS* part of it and not imagining that the human soul could persist rather than just becoming part of the all consuming all powerful "god" or w/e. Similarly w the memories thing - yeah, that's scary to me too. To suddenly have your whole self drowned out in so much other life.... maybe other versions than mine heard a bigger fuss about it but damn i felt like that went over my Grace's head, meanwhile here i was horrified for her 🥲
2:08:33 I asked myself the same question, but I think that the memories of that "war" are more recent than others (Not something that happened fifteen hundred years ago, but a century ago.) My theory is that it is about the second world war (when They spoke of Hephaestus there were drawings of atomic bombs and also the mention of "supremacy")
Charon is the best, I love them, baby
Also to answer your question about Aphrodite - depending on different choices in her convo with you (or maybe someone else? I can't remember), it is mentioned that the more times someone passes their eidolon to someone, the oldest memories are forgotten. So she hopes to one day wake up and forget about the war entirely (so she thinks can happen).
Also, think it would be hard for her to forget. She made a whole part of all of her lifes at the "New World" based on her trauma and walks through the same path in a eternal cicle of remembering pain the worst way she could. Her new lifes are always reigniting the memories of the trauma
I never thought a game would make me feel SO hard. Literally ALL the emotions. F**k!
Seeing how Their Boss Athena is so such a screwed up leader, breaking more than a few of her own rules, but always going rules must be obeyed , I think it certainly is normal that the idols will be all as Pan said, lying and scheming most of the time
My first playthrough, I made the 'mistake' of saving Freddie while I was trying to romance Persephone lol. Also, I hasn't seen this ending before, I've always reflexively gone with the "I've got some ideas" ending because it's usually available for me and it's just so cool.
It's such a great game in the end, and although I'd been waiting for it for MONTHS and had hyped myself up for it, it definitely lived up to my expectations. The music is amazing, the vocals are awesome, the writing, the look, EVERYTHING is just SO good. My only complaint being that, in the scene down in Hades with Calliope, her audio is super quiet compared to everything else. My favourite songs are the ones where Persephone is involved, but probably my favourite cute moment is the whole scene between Asterion and Kate. Rahul just gives Asterion so much adorable awkwardness!
Another episode of Stray Gods with Gab~ So exciting 😍
Omg I've been hoping for this notif to appear and it finally happened so I ZOOMED here!! Super excited to get cozy and see what goes down ♡ thank you for sharing this gem of a game
I’m gonna watch this later when I’m done with my stuff for the day but duuuude ty for putting me onto this game I’ve been obsessed 😭💜
I've been waiting for this!!! I can't wait to see what ending/songs you get!
52:39 "she choses the kindest, most innocent souls on purpose" wait, thats even more fucked up then? She choses good people and make em go through hell? And I agree that if she picked someone who ready had trauma and overcame it maybe that would help her more...
She doesn't choose them as a punishment, but because that's what Aphrodite genuinely values in her successors. If you pick an awful person and give them a boatload of pain, what are they going to then do with godly powers? Probably nothing good. I saw this sentiment in the twitch chat during this section too, a lot of people seemed really quick to assume that Aphrodite was somehow tricking or manipulating Venus into doing this. But talk to Venus and you don't get that impression at all.
As Apollo says, Aphrodite chooses people who she thinks will make her a better person - and kind does not equate to weak.
Mary Elizabeth McGlynn will always be the voice of The Major, in my head. She's so great as Persephone!
man i love how gab kept interrupting dialogue and talking about some rly genius insights, and that one where shes like “dafuq just keep her alive for a while then” XD
You're not really taking in that mirror metaphor. Calliope says the memories are reflections, but that doesn't mean the reflections just vanish if the Idol feels like it. Think of it like fun house mirrors. They warp and sometimes things get lost, and in Aphrodites case, the trauma just keeps getting bigger and scarier. Reflections of reflections are warped but don't just go away.
2:14:10 I think Calliope was meant to die either way. Hecate said that they would have met, become friend and in a few months there would be a car accident.
I appreciate that you brought us along on the journey with you, this was such a lovely game! I hope they make a sequel or another game in this world eventually.
This game is such a "bisexual panic" game...
Gods, why everyone so good looking?!!!
Re: the loophole of memories. Those memories which are emotionally charged stick on the mind better than those which are more mundane.
watched the livestream some days ago, great game and playthrough!
2:08:48 - By possibly passing when those memories are emerging, not enough memories are added to the eidolon to completely override the trauma.
I Greek mythology calliope and Apollo have kids together and had a relationship. I love mythology so I wanted to know more about it and found this out.
It honestly explains alot about how Apollo is in this game
You definitely chose the best version of "The Ritual", Lost in a Moment (59:35) literally has had me crying every time I've listened to it
Personally, I prefer Everybody! (the red version), but the green version does work better as a way to let her go.
@@rmsgrey hold on, I'll need to check both again because I've already forgotten how they sound 😂
@@rmsgrey okay yeah, I went with green, but chose Red in the final choice, so she lived, it gives the song an extra boost as well, unlike choosing green again (which is good too, but not as powerful)
You gotta play this again just to save Freddie
I love Apollo, his voice is so awesome I could listen to him talk all day. ❤also love the songs that are sung. 😊
Wow! I did not realize so many big names were in here! Amazing game with amazing voice actors with amazing singing voices. ❤
1:34:54 NOOOO
What a game! Thanks for playing!
how absolute beautiful..thanks for playing i got tears in my eye
Pan’s voice is so nice to listen to.
Stray God's Final Chapter:
LET'S GOOOOOO
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I just love this story!! So sad about Freddie and Aphrodite. I really loved the singing! Thank you so much for playing it!! Off to find my next adventure!!❤❤
So not answering any questions directly but at the end of the vid yes the things can go soo much different then how it did here
9:55 there are definitely female heroes in Greek mythology? Psyche was my favorite one because hers is one of the few with a happy ending, she went through a whole bunch of trials and everything and ended up becoming a goddess and marrying Eros
From the context, she clearly means "hero" in the classical sense of the word, as in a warrior that you would find at the center of a Homeric epic (i.e. Odysseus, Achilles, Perseus). Female characters could sometimes play key roles in these works (for example, Penelope in the Odyssey), but their roles would be relatively minor compared to the male heroes.
I think the reason for the bad audio is because it might be a covid project? during that time most voice actors had to scramble to put together a home studio, and i guess some had better Equipment than others. For Laura Bailey and others from the Critical role family, there is a video showing that on youtube, i think it's part of the "The Legend of Vox Machina" background series😊
I'm kind of bummed out that the playthrough is over. I feel empty like when I complete watching the end season of a show. I want to know about other routes the game can go, so this might convince me to buy and play the game myself. This was fun to watch!
I can't believe Gab, who adores Eros so much was okay with failing him so completely and then didn't even have Grace apologize to him.
2:38:06 I almost thought she was going to start singing t swift “it’s me, hi problem, it’s me” XD
The irony is that Orpheus beef with Persephone is the same Persephone has against Apollo
This is fascinating, I'd love to see more of it some day ^^
As soon as orpheus started singing my brain went "is that anthony rapp?" . I think maybe i should stop rewatching rent
I'm so happy Apollo mentioned the muse Clio. She is who my sister and I our beautiful german shepherd mix, she's 10 now and still spry as ever
I really love the symbolism of Grace being "a boat lost at sea" and Calliope, which is also the name of a constellation, being her guide
Also, the character designs are driving me crazy (in a good way) I love this interpretation of Greek mythology, especially since it reminds me so much of Percy Jackson
The characters are so well written, literally every single one is likeable, I cannot find one character I truly hate
What an amazing game overall, the writing, art, music, and programming must've taken so much time :0
...And also Hermes is my favorite, they are the best imo :]