So what program do they have in place to hire qualified minorities because dei was brought in because of discrimination same thing with affirmative action
I just want a meritocracy, I want the most qualified engineer, doctor, medical professional, trade contractor, etc, etc to be doing my work or anyone’s others work.
Ya the US isn't even that without DEI lol even before the craziness is was always people hiring who they know or friends first. I used to work in restaurants, and new upper management people were always like some other manager's friend from college or a different restaurant. They rarely promoted from within
In what world does that happen? We aren’t ai machines. There is always bias and preference when humans are involved. DEI at its best try’s to mitigate that.
In Canada, DEI is still pushed almost like a state religion. Government agencies and institutions have mandates around these trainings, and this also extends to most private businesses and organizations that work with the government in any capacity. Anecdotally and likely by the metrics as well, it seems to have created a lot of unnecessary confusion, contention, and division. It’s also been expensive to implement with no observable monetary benefits for taxpayers or private enterprises. I really hope we set this ideology aside and just get back to basic merit and common decency.
It's wild we had to test if a meritocracy works better than a divisive identity forced workplace? Also crazy how far this had to be played out for them to realize this.
@ when it first began especially, it was also very toxic and tore apart a lot of relationships and eroded company cultures. People were too scared to lose their jobs to mention it openly, but depending on the trainer, some of these programs acted like “struggle sessions” where people were more or less categorized into victim and oppressor groups. Then tragic stories like Richard Bilkszto started to come out and break a bit of the silence, but on a governmental level there hasn’t been much of an effort to correct course. The Canada I grew up in was one of the most warm and welcoming places anywhere on earth regardless of someone’s background or beliefs, and that was within a meritocratic context. I’m hoping we can return to that soon.
This was a very nuanced conversation. There are multiple points of view here and it's good to be able to see both sides of the argument and how it affects all involved.
DEI was only tenable while the government subsidized it. The US federal government, in tandem with other western governments, offers lenders tax credits to banks in return for them issuing loans that meet ESG criteria of which DEI is a prominent component. Mechanically, it works a lot like first time home buyer loans. With Trump winning the whitehouse and conservatives movements gaining prominence in Europe, as seen Germany's AFD rising to being the second largest party and recent elections in France, this government funding for DEI is drying up. No one actually believed in the McKinsey and Co papers. Everyone knew they were conflating correlation with causation the entire time. The only way DEI made money was through government subsidized loans.
As a hardcore moderate, I think this all started with some good ideas 40 years, that got WAY out of hand. I wonder what damage it's already done: Amtrak's replacement for the Acela, Avelia, has gone off the rails (pun, eh, intended I admit) several times and is years overdue. I just know what I see and am told by other people in the DC area. It has a lot of minority representation in upper management. So I wonder...were these people maybe unqualified to run a railroad and/or manage such a complex purchase initiative?
I never had a problem with affirmative action programs, yet I find DEI to be completely different even though they seem pretty much the same to a lot of people. And I think the difference is that DEI has a whole ideology behind it which I think is destructive rather than helpful. Affirmative action didn't try to control your thinking, whereas the goal of DEI is to force everyone to accept a certain kind of thinking.
Walmart SAYS It is ending DEI. BUT IS IT REALLY? Just like all these corporations that say they're donating to this group and that group and never do. No one ever checks on these people to see if what they say is true.. NEVER ASSUME They are telling the truth! THEY MAY BE SAYING WHAT THEY THINK YOU WANT TO HEAR...
This wasn't primarily because of "activism," Walmart sees the writing on the wall with the SCOTUS Affirmative Action decisions and knows that the days are numbered for these policies. It's the power that made Walmart susceptible to Starbuck's approach.
For 40 years you all told us to listen to Martin Luther King Jr and ignore race, judge people on the content of their character. That's all removing DEI does. We should eliminate *ALL* federal laws that mention race, color, creed or gender completely.
He has a point, because of DEI I can’t trust that the person I’m dealing with is qualified. For example, how do I know the pilot of the plane I’m boarding is there because they’re qualified or because the airline had to hire them despite their qualifications?
@@NotLikeUs17Baltimore just lowered thier standardized testing to become a police officer because not enough black women were passing. They news leaves out that the test that was being administered was at a 5th grade level. Let that sink in.
Pilots license are granted by the FAA. You have to pass their test to qualify as a pilot. If you're flying a plane, it's because you're qualified to do so. What has happened however is that companies like United Airlines are hiring (qualified) pilots based on their race and gender. The problem isn't competency in this case, it's that a company is making discriminatory hiring policies in a pool of qualified candidates.
my head hurts everytime i hear someone say "racism", or "sexism" or "mysogyny" or this or that, you want "racism" whatever that means these days to go away stop grifting off of it and top painting half the country as "racist" , the common person don't see race we work in the same places, we shop at the same walmart.
If 1% of the people get treated differently because their gender identification or racial status, not because of meritocracy, the rest of 99% will slack off and be lazy. It is a pernicious avalanche effect.
Love how Walmart says, "foster a sense of belonging'" Just a sense of it. Can we please just call a spade a spade and say that walmart is just towing the line for the shareholders and to keep their wage slaves in line?
This bozo is arguing that DEI is already mandated in federal law? Well, good thing that federal law is about to change now that we have house Senate and executive… The grift is over!
I wouldn't hold my breath. Ultimately the oligarchy gets what it wants, and it wants social strife and class warfare to keep the population busy fighting each other.
Glad this stuff is coming to an end. Meritocracy is the only factor that should matter. How are you supposed to compete when the deciding factor is the identity you're born with? I can't become blacker so that I get the job so it becomes an impossible barrier to entry that doesn't convey any net benifit to society, but instead a net loss from whatever merit was left at the door due to racial discrimination. Do not repay evil with evil, which is what this was.
You also need the level of diversity to have understanding of the people you are impacting. Yea get the most qualified but efficiency isn't truly present when ignorant biases allow you to ignore nor recognize what is circumstantial and what is perspective.
Why Those Woke activist only Push DEI in USA , EU , Japan , South Korea , Tunisia , South africa , Malaysia , Rwanda , Botswana ? Why Not Push DEI in Somalia , Zimbabwe , North Korea , yemen etc ? Why Fix Something that isn't Broken ? . Instead of fix something that Broken ? .
How long? How long should efforts be made to make up for past inequities by setting quotas? What if the company never participated in those inequities itself? That's a terrible argument for continuing any kind of artificial racial balancing of who you do business with.
Awareness is one thing. Wokeness is something different entirely. Unfortunately that wasn't always the case. 'Woke' used to be a term simply meaning awareness that other races and ethnic groups have had a harder time of it in this country. Now it means anything that slaps convention or tradition in the face, and the more outrageous the better. People are pretty understanding in general, right up until something crosses into the realm of the ridiculous. In this country, we don't react...we overreact.
There is a difference between hiring for government jobs/contracts, etc. [Whether or not there should be is a separate question.] The argument from history is false. Many economists and historians (including prominent Blacks) have pointed out that for a long time in the US, black workers prospered partly because they offered more productivity, artistry, etc. for the cost than their white competitors. Merit based hiring is a net plus.
If you want a majority share of the market, then why choose a minority at the expense of trust and credibility from the majority. At a business level it doesn't make sense to me.
Is this guy attempting to say Biden saying he was choosing exclusively a black woman is the same as Trump saying he would choose a woman exclusively? And then he goes on to say Jackson was qualified even though she couldn't define what a woman was?
.......who would have thought that DEI would not result in unqualified minorities suddenly becoming adequate?......experience has shown that companies just cannot lower their standards to that level and stay in business.....
A policy platform that implements the agenda of critical race theory. Certain groups are labeled victims while others are labeled oppressors. The proponents of DEI and CRT insist that every institution from public schools and police departments to private corporations must discriminate against oppressor classes in favor of victims. Also, the joke is to call it, "Didn't Earn it."
Take what race you are off job applications just look at who is the most qualified and stop trying to help us it insults our work ethics if we're qualified we will rise to the top if not we fall in line period
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Yeah ...get rid of your department of racism please..
Based. Thank you
So what program do they have in place to hire qualified minorities because dei was brought in because of discrimination same thing with affirmative action
Hiring people based not on qualifications didn’t work? Who could’ve predicted this???
Facts 💯
Yup now time 4 the hill to get with it & stop letting this foreigner talk US public policy.
@@StarGen-l7u Not even remotely related to DEI.
@@StarGen-l7u I can't believe you thought it was a good idea to post that moronic comment.
That is not what dei means
Not surprising. Lots of companies have suffered a brain and talent drain and the DEI & HR depts can't hide it forever.
We have to compete with Asia in technology, and believe me, they aren't weighed down by DEI. (nor is AI LOL)
@Salmagundiii you are mostly correct. However, much of the AI being put out is heavily laden with DEI think. It's almost too obvious.
Glad these companies are getting exposed for their garbage DEI policies..Robby Starbuck is doing Amazing work
I just want a meritocracy, I want the most qualified engineer, doctor, medical professional, trade contractor, etc, etc to be doing my work or anyone’s others work.
Ya the US isn't even that without DEI lol even before the craziness is was always people hiring who they know or friends first. I used to work in restaurants, and new upper management people were always like some other manager's friend from college or a different restaurant. They rarely promoted from within
Just hire the best people for the jobs based on skillset.
In what world does that happen? We aren’t ai machines. There is always bias and preference when humans are involved. DEI at its best try’s to mitigate that.
@Tysheeno thanks for the laugh!!! 😂
@@Tysheeno it may TRY.....experience proves the OPPOSITE occurs.....
In Canada, DEI is still pushed almost like a state religion. Government agencies and institutions have mandates around these trainings, and this also extends to most private businesses and organizations that work with the government in any capacity.
Anecdotally and likely by the metrics as well, it seems to have created a lot of unnecessary confusion, contention, and division. It’s also been expensive to implement with no observable monetary benefits for taxpayers or private enterprises.
I really hope we set this ideology aside and just get back to basic merit and common decency.
It's wild we had to test if a meritocracy works better than a divisive identity forced workplace? Also crazy how far this had to be played out for them to realize this.
@ when it first began especially, it was also very toxic and tore apart a lot of relationships and eroded company cultures. People were too scared to lose their jobs to mention it openly, but depending on the trainer, some of these programs acted like “struggle sessions” where people were more or less categorized into victim and oppressor groups.
Then tragic stories like Richard Bilkszto started to come out and break a bit of the silence, but on a governmental level there hasn’t been much of an effort to correct course.
The Canada I grew up in was one of the most warm and welcoming places anywhere on earth regardless of someone’s background or beliefs, and that was within a meritocratic context. I’m hoping we can return to that soon.
Canada has to many public employees and the private over taxed sector can't handle the un balance.
This was a very nuanced conversation. There are multiple points of view here and it's good to be able to see both sides of the argument and how it affects all involved.
Thanks! And I agree
As a conservative I can tell you I viewed the nomination of ACB to the SCOTUS as absolutely a DEI pick.
Gorsuch was the only good pick Trump made.
Has the Hill finally given up on trying to find a sane liberal woman? We can only hope.
Dei?
Is there such a thing?
DEI was only tenable while the government subsidized it. The US federal government, in tandem with other western governments, offers lenders tax credits to banks in return for them issuing loans that meet ESG criteria of which DEI is a prominent component. Mechanically, it works a lot like first time home buyer loans.
With Trump winning the whitehouse and conservatives movements gaining prominence in Europe, as seen Germany's AFD rising to being the second largest party and recent elections in France, this government funding for DEI is drying up. No one actually believed in the McKinsey and Co papers. Everyone knew they were conflating correlation with causation the entire time. The only way DEI made money was through government subsidized loans.
As a hardcore moderate, I think this all started with some good ideas 40 years, that got WAY out of hand. I wonder what damage it's already done: Amtrak's replacement for the Acela, Avelia, has gone off the rails (pun, eh, intended I admit) several times and is years overdue. I just know what I see and am told by other people in the DC area. It has a lot of minority representation in upper management. So I wonder...were these people maybe unqualified to run a railroad and/or manage such a complex purchase initiative?
I never had a problem with affirmative action programs, yet I find DEI to be completely different even though they seem pretty much the same to a lot of people. And I think the difference is that DEI has a whole ideology behind it which I think is destructive rather than helpful. Affirmative action didn't try to control your thinking, whereas the goal of DEI is to force everyone to accept a certain kind of thinking.
Agree. AA was trying to level the playing field, DIE is an ideology.
It's past time to end affirmative action. Equal opportunity only.
@@martyharless5097 .....YYYYYYYYEP, YEP, YEP, YEP!.....UH HUH, UH, HUH, UH HUH.......
Go woke go broke may be the slogan of the decade.
I like Trump's version better.
....of the century.
Lets hire people based on their merit not thier skin color, political views or peaceful religions are.
Walmart SAYS It is ending DEI. BUT IS IT REALLY? Just like all these corporations that say they're donating to this group and that group and never do. No one ever checks on these people to see if what they say is true.. NEVER ASSUME They are telling the truth! THEY MAY BE SAYING WHAT THEY THINK YOU WANT TO HEAR...
My point, for sure
This wasn't primarily because of "activism," Walmart sees the writing on the wall with the SCOTUS Affirmative Action decisions and knows that the days are numbered for these policies. It's the power that made Walmart susceptible to Starbuck's approach.
Telling people they're the racists because of their skin color is even more racist.
How did this strategy not work? 😂
Looks like Rising started this before Walmart. Neil is easily the best left host I have seen on Rising, and this includes Krystal Ball as well.
At least they recognized their mistake and reversed course. That’s a good thing.
For 40 years you all told us to listen to Martin Luther King Jr and ignore race, judge people on the content of their character.
That's all removing DEI does.
We should eliminate *ALL* federal laws that mention race, color, creed or gender completely.
DEI -
Destroy Everything In - sight
As a Biracial female , I HATE DEI, get rid of it.
Funny how Niall dislikes the word "woke" while being a woke racist who supports hiring and awarding contracts based on race.
“Reverse racism” is racism.
He has a point, because of DEI I can’t trust that the person I’m dealing with is qualified. For example, how do I know the pilot of the plane I’m boarding is there because they’re qualified or because the airline had to hire them despite their qualifications?
Pretty sure they go through assessments and testing, like other professions. This should actually be mandated in all industries.
@@NotLikeUs17 You should look into some of the airlines push to have a more "diverse" group of pilots...
@@NotLikeUs17Baltimore just lowered thier standardized testing to become a police officer because not enough black women were passing.
They news leaves out that the test that was being administered was at a 5th grade level.
Let that sink in.
Because you have to be qualified to be in the running anyway..
Pilots license are granted by the FAA. You have to pass their test to qualify as a pilot. If you're flying a plane, it's because you're qualified to do so. What has happened however is that companies like United Airlines are hiring (qualified) pilots based on their race and gender. The problem isn't competency in this case, it's that a company is making discriminatory hiring policies in a pool of qualified candidates.
my head hurts everytime i hear someone say "racism", or "sexism" or "mysogyny" or this or that, you want "racism" whatever that means these days to go away stop grifting off of it and top painting half the country as "racist" , the common person don't see race we work in the same places, we shop at the same walmart.
DEI isn't gonna stop, it'll just get renamed and the show will go on.
Hopefully it will ALL stop no matter what they call it
The pendulum is finally swinging back, and not a moment too soon!
In my mind there’s a difference between being qualified vs the best candidate
The debate between anti racism and reverse racism...can humans avoid biases ?
I don't want to hear about "racism" anymore. If you don't like it, move to another country.
If 1% of the people get treated differently because their gender identification or racial status, not because of meritocracy, the rest of 99% will slack off and be lazy. It is a pernicious avalanche effect.
This guy would put u in a camp to unlearn .
As he should ! 😊
Love how Walmart says, "foster a sense of belonging'" Just a sense of it. Can we please just call a spade a spade and say that walmart is just towing the line for the shareholders and to keep their wage slaves in line?
This bozo is arguing that DEI is already mandated in federal law? Well, good thing that federal law is about to change now that we have house Senate and executive… The grift is over!
I wouldn't hold my breath. Ultimately the oligarchy gets what it wants, and it wants social strife and class warfare to keep the population busy fighting each other.
@@benjamindover4337exactly
Yes, "DEI" is mandated by federal law and I don't expect Congress will change it.
Glad this stuff is coming to an end. Meritocracy is the only factor that should matter. How are you supposed to compete when the deciding factor is the identity you're born with? I can't become blacker so that I get the job so it becomes an impossible barrier to entry that doesn't convey any net benifit to society, but instead a net loss from whatever merit was left at the door due to racial discrimination. Do not repay evil with evil, which is what this was.
You also need the level of diversity to have understanding of the people you are impacting. Yea get the most qualified but efficiency isn't truly present when ignorant biases allow you to ignore nor recognize what is circumstantial and what is perspective.
Those policies don’t because they are just a cover story and a way of avoiding building actual relationships with many different groups.
Why Those Woke activist only Push DEI in USA , EU , Japan , South Korea , Tunisia , South africa , Malaysia , Rwanda , Botswana ? Why Not Push DEI in Somalia , Zimbabwe , North Korea , yemen etc ? Why Fix Something that isn't Broken ? . Instead of fix something that Broken ? .
How long? How long should efforts be made to make up for past inequities by setting quotas? What if the company never participated in those inequities itself? That's a terrible argument for continuing any kind of artificial racial balancing of who you do business with.
next time ask him how im supposed to think about race and gender, sincere question.
Awareness is one thing. Wokeness is something different entirely. Unfortunately that wasn't always the case. 'Woke' used to be a term simply meaning awareness that other races and ethnic groups have had a harder time of it in this country. Now it means anything that slaps convention or tradition in the face, and the more outrageous the better. People are pretty understanding in general, right up until something crosses into the realm of the ridiculous. In this country, we don't react...we overreact.
There is a difference between hiring for government jobs/contracts, etc. [Whether or not there should be is a separate question.] The argument from history is false. Many economists and historians (including prominent Blacks) have pointed out that for a long time in the US, black workers prospered partly because they offered more productivity, artistry, etc. for the cost than their white competitors. Merit based hiring is a net plus.
If you want a majority share of the market, then why choose a minority at the expense of trust and credibility from the majority. At a business level it doesn't make sense to me.
God I love being right about everything all the time. It’s really fun. You liberals should try it.
Yeah 🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉❤❤❤
Finally, this was only a cash grab from the beginning.
Great job for waking up to the BS Walmart. Might do some black friday shopping there.
One of the best Novembers ever....
God I wish Joy was here for just this.
Can they also go back to selling normal guns and pistol/ 5.56 ammo again?
Sorry, but the most important question wasn't asked: where did Melik get that sweater? It's fire.
Ha! It's an old Gap cardigan 😂
BREAKING NEWS
the sky is blue and shareholders like making money
Is this guy attempting to say Biden saying he was choosing exclusively a black woman is the same as Trump saying he would choose a woman exclusively? And then he goes on to say Jackson was qualified even though she couldn't define what a woman was?
Yes, that's what I said.
I have not heard good things coming out of Walmart anyway they seem to have a bad history of management in some stores
Stop with the color issue
Any talk of DEI is a complete turn-off. Sorry…..had to turn you off!
DEI, BU-BYE ✌️
But Black Rock won’t be their friends anymore🥺
.......who would have thought that DEI would not result in unqualified minorities suddenly becoming adequate?......experience has shown that companies just cannot lower their standards to that level and stay in business.....
hmm logic and common sense is coming back.. What a shock!!
Walmart donated to Trump campaign.
What’s DEI?
A problem geared to promote diversity, equity and inclusiveness.
It means didn't earn it, you must give it to me.
Nothing just an excuse deranged liberals to pat themselves on the back.
A policy platform that implements the agenda of critical race theory. Certain groups are labeled victims while others are labeled oppressors. The proponents of DEI and CRT insist that every institution from public schools and police departments to private corporations must discriminate against oppressor classes in favor of victims.
Also, the joke is to call it, "Didn't Earn it."
It stands for Division, Exclusion of white men and Intolerance of different opinions from your own.
No
Walmart kiss the ring also MAGA forever America first all day! America getting back to common sense.
"Kick you around"??!
Only hire based on qualifications. Nothing else. Or else well vote gop 😂😂
Audio. Audio. Audio. Please. Fix. The. Audio. 😑
No *shites*** Sherlock!
Take what race you are off job applications just look at who is the most qualified and stop trying to help us it insults our work ethics if we're qualified we will rise to the top if not we fall in line period
Lmbo its back to the coves for 🟤🟡⚫
Let's just ignore the plagerism....
DEI. JEDI. EDIJ. IDEA. DEIA. DEAI...
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**[Identity CRISIS... And I thought it was about INDIVIDUAL Choices.]