Topaz was elite being able to host different plugins for different mods in the same environment. Hopefully something similar would come up soon though naturally it would be a pretty long wait. Big ups to Ducko for the effort on OpenAsar and thanks for the info on the different client mods available!
This whole thing really reminds me of the Beat Saber modding community, because (almost) every time a major update gets released most of the mods are completely broken, and sometimes weeks for them to work again. This is also the time the game Beat Saber itself gets review bombed by some little kids who ask why they broke the mods, which is not their goal at all, they just want the game to be more stable and enjoyable. So I am really sorry for all the mod devs (and discord devs) who are always the victims of some mindless egoist creatures that sometimes don't realize that all of this, is. completely. free.
same thing with the sims 4! every time basically any updates are released, mods break and chaos ensues. EA has never explicitly stated they’re against modding but they somehow manage to always break them!
Thats just the way programs work you know... Methods that worked for one piece of code(executable) now does not work since its that much different. Not trying to be smart or anything, but just clarifying.
Man and the thing is, as a BS player myself some of the mods for the game are absolutely essential for me to enjoy the game so I respect and greatly appreciate the work the mod devs put into updating the code. Tbh I rarely ever even update the game nowadays cause all the mods I use are there and I couldn't care less about whatever new monthly dlc they come out with (like seriously Lizzo? Nobody was out there clamoring for her music to be added)
Hi, Aliucord developer here. We are still on v126021, which is the last stable version before Discord did the react native update (months ago). Our rewrite, AliucordRN is still in progress and will not be ready for release anytime soon. Albeit the chaos recently is only from the desktop mods as discord stripped module displayNames and exports for desktop Update: We do not plan on continuing AliucordRN and will remain supporting the old app
my friend installed so much clients on his account he himself didn't knew what was going on, and this update deleted them all for some reason but that's actually nice
probably not deleted but just not working (which could in the end just update and come back), your friend should make better decisions :P I'm pretty sure they can just reinstall discord tho and all injections will be gone
@@pt.r i don't know very much how these plugins work or whatever but i guess it's better anyway as he didn't knew how to delete them, so now there's no weird laggy plugins
This reminds me of the Cities skylines modding community. Every time there is a major game update it breaks most of the mods. It can take up to weeks for most of the big mods to get working again. Thankfully, the community is very fast acting and abandoned mods are often picked up and continued by other devs.
Yeah but then client mods will find ways to add customization features (like better discord's custom themes) before discord has a chance to lock it behind nitro.
Cumcord + OpenAsar were the so amazing together, they made discord blazing fast & secure whilst also having a plugin & plugin store integrated so seamlessly with discord. It’s sad to see CC go as funny as the project was. It was truely amazing, design wise. Feature wise & most importantly performance wise. You will be missed. Cum!
Oh I see, I was wondering why my plugins disappeared lol. but I guess this is a good opportunity to check out some of the other modifications out there and see what everyone else is up to, since I've been on betterdiscord for so long. I hope you enjoyed that pizza!
Discord has stated, that they are not particulary fans of mods, and it actually is against tos. And while they also haven't cracked down on modding, this kind of "recklessnes" is to be expected :( And while it will likely break mods again, discord is in dire need of an electron update.
@@JewelWildmoon Well if you just read the facts that are stated there yes. Do people actually get banned? No. Except if you download a show hidden channels mod or something like that.
@@Gamer-ct6hb the show hidden channel mods are still fine because you cant actually look into them just see them but like with any mod if you put of a screenshot or tell people about it you can get banned
Discord doesn't actually ban you for using mods It's just a 5 year old excuse that mods are bad because they break discord They should've given a proper answer
I remember when I had to upgrade my discord bot to use slash commands it was such a complete pain in the ass so I dread to think of what this is like for these guys
for even more proof that discord didn't do this to 'sabotage' client mods, they also have to face some of these problems themselves, with a discord developer even requesting for a feature here (can't send the link rip), and mentioning the possibility of discord making a plugin to fix one of these issues (as they had previously done with babel) btw shoutout to all the devs, just from having to fix my one plugin, i can understand how much effort people would have to put in to fix their many massive plugins
If you're on linux or macOS, there is a discocss which just injects custom css into your discord client (for theming and other layout changes) it is so simple that it hasn't been updated in over a year
fun fact, i've chatted w/ a discord staff member abt client mods (betterdiscord specifically) & he told me they won't get ur account banned! at least as long as you aren't doing anything that messes with the api (aka plugins such as messagelogger or anything similar, those of which are already against bd's tos itself)
Ohhh ok that's a relief. The only reason I haven't used BetterDiscord was because I couldn't get a clear answer about whether using it can get you banned.
Also just for clarification for the Enmity client mod for iOS - you'll need to jailbreak your iPhone for it and you won't normally be able to download it from the App Store or elsewhere.
Not at all mandatory, just that you need a reason to use prefix commands now (using prefix isn't a reason). If you don't have that reason, you can always change your prefix to your bot's mention, because the bot will always get the content of messages that mention it. This was an important privacy change, because message content is by far the most sensitive data a bot can access (more so than presence and members), so it's great that only bots that need it to function (and have no alternate way of operating) can access such data, and not say, a fun bot.
Instead, it can issue warnings when sharing private information such as passwords on a server. For example, it gives you a warning when sharing your token. This would be much nicer. Users can transfer private information to each other via DM.
Are you talking about Discord doing that? Because they can't tell at all what might be a password, or whether any information a user shares is private. For the token part, it'd be nice for any Discord token (bot, user, oauth) to be removed, but that would also heavily increase the time it takes to send a message. And getting a system message or popup everytime I said something they think is sensitive, when I'm say, messaging in a server with all people I know IRL, would be very annoying. Besides, a lot of people also don't read popups and just click "OK", and then Discord has a problem when people start complaining in mass, even if those individuals are in the wrong. It's just much more practical and safe to lock it behind a privileged intent (they don't stop you from using prefix commands if you get the intent, you just need another valid reason). Application commands are also far better in terms of functionality, and unless you maintain your own library, it's not that difficult to implement. If you don't like change for the better, develop elsewhere.
This just happened today.. Discord updated itself.. custom theme broken.. everything back to the disgusting and sickening dark grey!! Had to use one of the inbuilt Discord themes to not puke and those themes are still an absolute joke!!
as a vencord user, discord broke and everything was grey, i tried to kill and reboot discord, didnt work, i tried to restart the computer, still stuck in the grey screen, so i had to reinstall just to find out when i tried to reinstall vencord, it dosent install, i tried to reinstall BTRdiscord too, dosent work either, atleast i am out of the grey screen.
Swc can be 20x faster than webpack/babel so it makes sense to switch it. As for rewriting the mods, the code doesnt need to be rewritten, it only needs to be updated to use the new swc compiler thats it.
Hello There! your friendly aliucord moderator here Aliucord did NOT finish AliucordRN in 2 days,the latest update is still in Kotlin you still could see the changes in Aliucord/AliucordRN tho!
This was so good explained. I was having plugin errors indeed and didn't even know it was because of Discord, I just thought all these plugins suddenly updated at the same time and stopped working but now I know what's going on. Imma go and delete them all and keep and eye out for BD Discord when everything is back stable. After that I'll install the new plugins again. :)
Discord can't really do much to stop people modding their client. It's trivial to inject code as Discord is an electron application. Meaning besides the fancy renamed tar files electron uses, there isn't much they can do to stop people. As for Discord's ToS banning 3rd party clients and client mods. It is mostly to protect them against something like this where an update broke several mods. They also do some stuff on the backend to monitor for irregularities to better catch spammers. Unfortunately this means your custom client will inevitably get caught in the crossfire.
@@kraskaska Same. I only use some small features like creation date (now only useful for the exact time because discord finally added creation/join date to profile) so I don't really care for the other features. I sure do hope it gets updated
Things like this are why I don't like client mods and would rather an actual custom client, though I realize the obstacles that would come with that :') Imagine a more maintained, more visually appealing & officially endorsed Ripcord
That will definitely get you banned from discord, automating the login flow or using user tokens outside the official client is a huge no-no, for good reason
Maybe it might be a good idea to search for a platform that allows such things instead. Matrix is getting quite close to that but they are lacking some features like group calls and proper screen sharing.
@@izumemori bruh no one cares lightcord was a good example of a custom client, until it shut down of course but there’s things such as ripcord as OP said, along with things such as Armcord which runs VERY well and much faster due to the way it’s built. The default discord client is a hot dumpster fire and it runs so badly. “Big no-no” yeah so is selfbotting, but I do it anyway. No one gives a flying fuck if you’re not doing anything bad
@@Pandaptable You should care about it if you don't want your account to be hijacked. It gets infinitely harder to detect abuse if you allow self-bots and automated login flow. Not to mention the extra strain on the support (which is hilariously bad as is, no need to make it worse). I also used a selfbot in like 2016 to 2017, then I talked to some discord devs about it and yea it doesn't give you as much value as it puts you at risk of getting your account yoinked or banned in the long run. But yea would be great if discord could make a native client instead of this electron bs.
i wish discord pushed an update that made it stop being lagy. i got a pretty decent pc and the ui still chugs badly. maybe its my internet being ass but if internet speed/letency is a factor in the ui usability then they need to fix that.
It's the same for minecraft modded, minecraft doesn't have anything against modding but, updating the game every year and making performance changes and code changes for the better of the game does break easily old minecraft mods.
@@BigBuddyYo True, but you loose all support if you downgrade too far. Even though 1.12.2 has most of my favorite mods (that are discontinued btw), I couldn't get help if I wanted to. The support team at Forge don't care about it anymore. I actually had to just switch to Fabric for my MC server since I couldn't get any help from anywhere on how to fix things.
Wait until Discord releases its own extension store to allow for theming. I would love for Discord to use acrylic from Microsoft Fluent Design rather than the opaque background.
Discord really kills entire scene, either custom clients devs or bot devs (yes bot devs also suffered from API changes), like last 6 weeks, a library that i use Discord.js pushing update atleast 20 times in that time frame, like thats kinda annoying you gotta update every weeks or so to avoid crashes. this makes me quit and EOT my bot, and i just move to website stuff.
They also did something that makes old android apps fail to connect, they work but sometimes they get stuck and are useless. I was forced to update and new version runs really bad on my phone, while old version worked flawlessly until they broke it
a frenchie here. I especially like the fact that you make it clear that the devs are doing their best, for free and with no particular expectations. And thanks for the video, which allowed me to have an explanation after the long week of waiting for the BD update. I'm not sure why Discord is banning these changes that should be directly installed by default, but anyway thanks for the video and the explanations.
damn i was wondering what happened to my mods i hope things get fixed soon, but seriously there's no pressure. it's just discord, no need to overwork yourself over this.
Historically no developer has given leeway to modders and the priority when updating stuff, the most they usually do is as they do, or after they update, they provide the Tools to work with the new update.
People who didn’t quite understand much of these stuff assumed the worst. It’s just a side effect that happen in any kind of client modification not just discord. Even games that are modded are included. When you change something from the original client you look for a certain pattern to flag them and start making your changes there, hence when there is some kind of update that alter those flags your code will be broken since it looks for things that aren’t there. It’s 90% of the time un intentional since the original devs doesn’t really pay attention or care about your changes they just focus on their own client.
im just happy the themes still work tbh, im sad the plugins are dead but at least i can still have discord look cool. although betterdiscord seemingly crashes discord like every day now, so thats no fun
so upset that topaz and cumcord are at EOL now. Same with goosemod despite never really liking it. Topaz was like public astra lmao. Cumcord was great and it sucks that’s EOL. Well, here’s hoping replugged stays a thing, because F*CK better discord, it’s so awful lmfao
You can still use Better Discord-ish on phone it's called "Aliucord" I recommend this more than better discord for those who have it on phone, I even have a Gif among us theme for discord on phone, spread this far and wide, discord client modification is still possible on phone, and you install a whole different version of discord
Idk why anyone is mad at Discord here. They didnt even do it just to kill clients, they did it to improve their service. Either way custom Clients have some features that they definitly should not have and i would be happy if they kill these Features. (Like caching Messages or being able to see Channels they shouldnt be able to see)
@@AndyGun11 They shouldn't have to support client mods every update they do. It isnt supported and most users dont use such a thing. It should not be included part of QA either because it is not their job. It is a thing client mods have to deal with. This update improves client speeds for normal users. Discord has no obligation to client modders or mods.
@@AndyGun11That happens when you change your system to work better? Why should they make their own Discord client worse just bcs your modification does not work anymore if they improve it? You break the TOS and expect Discord to support you? Be happy that discord does not ban you lol.
@@tutizx Thats right the App is still lacking a lot of features. That is a valid point. But then to be angry that they actually work on it, is somewhat ironic.
@@AndyGun11 while being mad about this disaster is understandable, can we really blame Discord's staff for it? It's not their responsibility to keep all of this client mods running, and things breaking at this level is completely normal when it comes to development that relies on potentially unstable internals, specially modding.
I kinda hope discord does get rid of client mods, There is a lot of breaching of privacy that betterdiscord or some other client mods abuse, For example sending a picture by accident and then instantly deleting it, But who ever has betterdiscord well can see it regardless if its deleted, In general I do not support client mods, Unless they are just changing the background of discord or some stuff, But there is a lot here I do see breaching my own privacy, That discord hasn't done anything aganist.
I love how discord doesn't allow client mods, but then they make an app so shit that you basically need to use a client mod to resolve a large chunk of bugs and issues.
I only used BD and their plugins to keep offline copies of DMs, and I guess this was bound to happen, I’ll run vanilla until they all rebuild, hopefully
Messages are often stored in your cache in your local folder including links to pics you thought you deleted so tf you achieving storing offline copies of dms using a 3rd party client when it's already been stored in your cache? Furthermore why would you need to keep offline copies? Talk about cringe 🙄
i have betterdiscord on right now and nothing seems to be wrong, it broke some betterdiscord plugins like: FreeEmotes HideDisabledEmojis SpotifyControl those are the plugins i mostly use but they wont work and i dont wanna bother trying the others
Huh. No wonder why my client just failed. It also turns out that BetterDiscord released an update recently that fixes some things (You'd need to download the new installer from the site and reinstall BetterDiscord btw) the only thing that works atm is themes. Plugins might take some more time according to what I'm hearing. but yeah. Jeez Discord likes to make everything a pain in tha ass-
tbht i never really used any of the plugins all that often other than volume booster, which sucks since some of my friends have quiet microphones, but i can deal with it edit: mobile discord mods such as bluecord still work perfectly, but its android only, since ios isnt so keen on apps outside of the apple store
@@angw3l not really the point. What I was referring to was the fact that Goosemod is at its EOL or discontinued, which I didn't know about. That's why I said I'm switching back to BD.
I'm glad people still use Discord even after it was known that Discord keeps all data from the user base this is exactly what we need as a society to grow you people put your trust in us and we give you no reason to worry I am proud of all the discord users you all are vital to our mission
Idk what betterdiscord is talking about in the case of plugins specifically. I reinstalled betterdiscord with 0 plugins and the stupid thing crashes even so, prompting me to open my plugins folder to find the issues. So like, no...? Plugins arent the only thing thats broken about BD.
Does anyone know why modded clients are against TOS in the first place? I would understand if it was a legal issue or something, but if Discord literally just made it against the TOS because they didn't like it, then that's ridiculous. I had kind of the same question when VRChat introduced the Easy Anti Cheat update (They did that specifically to stop modders). The mods for VRChat were very useful and most of the time didn't harm anyone, so it's strange that they did that.
VrChat added anticheat due to people using plugins to crash servers, rip PAID avatars ( copyright laws ), fry graphics cards, etc etc. Of course you had the good mods, but they heavily outweighed the bad. The same thing could happen to Discord. There was a BetterDiscord plugin for example that allowed you to see channels you didn't have permission to see. You wouldn't be able to read/join them, but you could see they existed even if your permissions weren't high enough.
@@mads2486 I knew some people used malicious mods, but I had no idea people could literally fry graphics cards. It’s understandable that they removed mods in that case.
@@JJsWithJesus Yep. People would steal IP's, and literally fry your graphics card. Though people like to claim it doesn't happen- I've definitely seen it happen. VrChats security was practically non existant, and it was basically a free for all. Headsets were being broken too. I dont know the technicalities of it though.
What are you on about? You CANNOT fry any graphics cards with mods, i created mods for VRChat and it was impossible to do it, the only thing someone can do to someone else is crash their game with an avatar, people can know your location easily without needing mods too since VRChat doesn't have good security for it but that has nothing to do with mods at all, ripping avatars still works because they are stored in your local folder, again without any use of mods, please don't spread misinformation.
@@Hugal. Again, I'm not sure exactly how it was done. Maybe they got the persons IP through VRChat, and somehow gained access to their PC to mess with their gpu- I really dont know. But im 99.999% sure I've seen it happen. It definitely isnt a common thing that happens every day, but I can guarantee it happened.
Update: Replugged finally got rewritten. It is now available here: replugged.dev/download
Thanks
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Topaz was elite being able to host different plugins for different mods in the same environment. Hopefully something similar would come up soon though naturally it would be a pretty long wait. Big ups to Ducko for the effort on OpenAsar and thanks for the info on the different client mods available!
RIP Cumcord :(
Astra exists
unfortunately it’s a private client mod. I really wish I had access lmao.
thing about astra is that it actually works, unlike topaz
This whole thing really reminds me of the Beat Saber modding community, because (almost) every time a major update gets released most of the mods are completely broken, and sometimes weeks for them to work again. This is also the time the game Beat Saber itself gets review bombed by some little kids who ask why they broke the mods, which is not their goal at all, they just want the game to be more stable and enjoyable. So I am really sorry for all the mod devs (and discord devs) who are always the victims of some mindless egoist creatures that sometimes don't realize that all of this, is. completely. free.
same thing with the sims 4! every time basically any updates are released, mods break and chaos ensues. EA has never explicitly stated they’re against modding but they somehow manage to always break them!
Thats just the way programs work you know...
Methods that worked for one piece of code(executable) now does not work since its that much different.
Not trying to be smart or anything, but just clarifying.
I should've already written this in my comment, but thank you for writing it, maybe some people didn't know that.
The quest version is even worse, since quest has a smaller community, which means less support for newer mods. You PC users are way luckier
Man and the thing is, as a BS player myself some of the mods for the game are absolutely essential for me to enjoy the game so I respect and greatly appreciate the work the mod devs put into updating the code. Tbh I rarely ever even update the game nowadays cause all the mods I use are there and I couldn't care less about whatever new monthly dlc they come out with (like seriously Lizzo? Nobody was out there clamoring for her music to be added)
Hi, Aliucord developer here. We are still on v126021, which is the last stable version before Discord did the react native update (months ago). Our rewrite, AliucordRN is still in progress and will not be ready for release anytime soon. Albeit the chaos recently is only from the desktop mods as discord stripped module displayNames and exports for desktop
Update: We do not plan on continuing AliucordRN and will remain supporting the old app
genius mobile users being immortal moment
ok
Long Live Alucord!!!
can someone like hack google and put back discord for germany
@@silentspy_ 🤝🏼
my friend installed so much clients on his account he himself didn't knew what was going on, and this update deleted them all for some reason but that's actually nice
Why is it nice?
@@Kristijan_ because he doesn't have to delete it himself
probably not deleted but just not working (which could in the end just update and come back), your friend should make better decisions :P
I'm pretty sure they can just reinstall discord tho and all injections will be gone
@@choccymilkyt yes
@@pt.r i don't know very much how these plugins work or whatever but i guess it's better anyway as he didn't knew how to delete them, so now there's no weird laggy plugins
This reminds me of the Cities skylines modding community. Every time there is a major game update it breaks most of the mods. It can take up to weeks for most of the big mods to get working again. Thankfully, the community is very fast acting and abandoned mods are often picked up and continued by other devs.
also skyrim communty every updates arrive
Literally every Paradox Game in a nutshell
@@yudhaxn1195 literally a few weeks ago it broke my entire modlist
and minecraft
Things like this are why I wish Discord allowed client mods with a proper API.
discord hates developers that dare to step out of the bot api boundary. they would never add something like this
@@overlisted Discord isn't strict on client mods unless it abuses the api (for example self bots)
Yeah but then client mods will find ways to add customization features (like better discord's custom themes) before discord has a chance to lock it behind nitro.
As a dev, thanks for telling the masses to not harass devs asking for plugins and whatnot. The GitHub issue tracker exists for a reason!
Cumcord + OpenAsar
were the so amazing together, they made discord blazing fast & secure whilst also having a plugin & plugin store integrated so seamlessly with discord. It’s sad to see CC go as funny as the project was. It was truely amazing, design wise. Feature wise & most importantly performance wise. You will be missed. Cum!
that last sentence
@@tzarg 🗿
📸🤨
rest in peace, cumcord
you will be missed
LOL
Oh I see, I was wondering why my plugins disappeared lol. but I guess this is a good opportunity to check out some of the other modifications out there and see what everyone else is up to, since I've been on betterdiscord for so long.
I hope you enjoyed that pizza!
I was so confused lol, I ended up deleting my entire plugin folder and tried to re-download everything
Betterdiscord got uninstalled for me but all my plugins were apparently not active however I still get to use it
@@Rqzvyy Bluecord is still working for me though, I never even realised that other plugins stopped working
@@ender01o66 apps aren't affected. Also don't use bluecord, use aliucord. Bluecord dev is sketchy and project isn't open source.
I like how ‘better discord discord server’ is a mouthful but ‘plugin compilation error update tracker’ isn’t
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@@100YenCoins 🍒
In the first sentence, he repeated discord and in the second sentence, he didn’t repeat anything.
@@rapstninja saying a word twice isn't a mouthful
Discord: Oh no!
Also Discord: Anyway..
Also also Discord: Guess you will still have to use our outdated Electron version.
Hi Mario
(I'm melting Alice)
glad you picked up on the satire of my tweet at 0:44 haha
first
Discord has stated, that they are not particulary fans of mods, and it actually is against tos. And while they also haven't cracked down on modding, this kind of "recklessnes" is to be expected :(
And while it will likely break mods again, discord is in dire need of an electron update.
Wait does that mean people could get banned for using BetterDiscord?
@@JewelWildmoon Well if you just read the facts that are stated there yes.
Do people actually get banned? No. Except if you download a show hidden channels mod or something like that.
@@Gamer-ct6hb the show hidden channel mods are still fine because you cant actually look into them just see them but like with any mod if you put of a screenshot or tell people about it you can get banned
Discord doesn't actually ban you for using mods
It's just a 5 year old excuse that mods are bad because they break discord
They should've given a proper answer
@@OliWo1i Is it still possible to find a working SHC mod? please help :)
I remember when I had to upgrade my discord bot to use slash commands it was such a complete pain in the ass so I dread to think of what this is like for these guys
for even more proof that discord didn't do this to 'sabotage' client mods, they also have to face some of these problems themselves, with a discord developer even requesting for a feature here (can't send the link rip), and mentioning the possibility of discord making a plugin to fix one of these issues (as they had previously done with babel)
btw shoutout to all the devs, just from having to fix my one plugin, i can understand how much effort people would have to put in to fix their many massive plugins
Thank you for being kind to the mod devs while showcasing this update!
If you're on linux or macOS, there is a discocss which just injects custom css into your discord client (for theming and other layout changes)
it is so simple that it hasn't been updated in over a year
the themes are fine so that isn't the issue
fun fact, i've chatted w/ a discord staff member abt client mods (betterdiscord specifically) & he told me they won't get ur account banned! at least as long as you aren't doing anything that messes with the api (aka plugins such as messagelogger or anything similar, those of which are already against bd's tos itself)
Ohhh ok that's a relief. The only reason I haven't used BetterDiscord was because I couldn't get a clear answer about whether using it can get you banned.
source: bro trust me
@@xXx_Regulus_xXx 😂
@@xXx_Regulus_xXx idk what sources ur expecting but okay
@@shoegazelvr exactly
Also just for clarification for the Enmity client mod for iOS - you'll need to jailbreak your iPhone for it and you won't normally be able to download it from the App Store or elsewhere.
you don’t need to jailbreak you can just sideload it
@@krustyy30 where is it possible to find the ipa?
@@krustyy30 you can’t side load on ios lol
@@itsmaxim01 yeah you can, it just kinda hard to do.
@@itsmaxim01 ur slow i can tell
One of the things that upset me the most was Discord's mandatory switch to application commands.
Not at all mandatory, just that you need a reason to use prefix commands now (using prefix isn't a reason). If you don't have that reason, you can always change your prefix to your bot's mention, because the bot will always get the content of messages that mention it. This was an important privacy change, because message content is by far the most sensitive data a bot can access (more so than presence and members), so it's great that only bots that need it to function (and have no alternate way of operating) can access such data, and not say, a fun bot.
Instead, it can issue warnings when sharing private information such as passwords on a server. For example, it gives you a warning when sharing your token. This would be much nicer. Users can transfer private information to each other via DM.
Are you talking about Discord doing that? Because they can't tell at all what might be a password, or whether any information a user shares is private. For the token part, it'd be nice for any Discord token (bot, user, oauth) to be removed, but that would also heavily increase the time it takes to send a message. And getting a system message or popup everytime I said something they think is sensitive, when I'm say, messaging in a server with all people I know IRL, would be very annoying. Besides, a lot of people also don't read popups and just click "OK", and then Discord has a problem when people start complaining in mass, even if those individuals are in the wrong. It's just much more practical and safe to lock it behind a privileged intent (they don't stop you from using prefix commands if you get the intent, you just need another valid reason). Application commands are also far better in terms of functionality, and unless you maintain your own library, it's not that difficult to implement. If you don't like change for the better, develop elsewhere.
OK, whatever you say.
Slash commands are so annoying
BD: It looks like the 2 plugin libraries (ZeresPluginLibrary & ZenoLib) that plugins revolve around completely broke and so did all the other plugins.
This just happened today.. Discord updated itself.. custom theme broken.. everything back to the disgusting and sickening dark grey!! Had to use one of the inbuilt Discord themes to not puke and those themes are still an absolute joke!!
as a vencord user, discord broke and everything was grey, i tried to kill and reboot discord, didnt work, i tried to restart the computer, still stuck in the grey screen, so i had to reinstall just to find out when i tried to reinstall vencord, it dosent install, i tried to reinstall BTRdiscord too, dosent work either, atleast i am out of the grey screen.
Me: Installs a discord mod
The discord mod 2 days later: *I broke :(*
Swc can be 20x faster than webpack/babel so it makes sense to switch it. As for rewriting the mods, the code doesnt need to be rewritten, it only needs to be updated to use the new swc compiler thats it.
Hello There! your friendly aliucord moderator here
Aliucord did NOT finish AliucordRN in 2 days,the latest update is still in Kotlin
you still could see the changes in Aliucord/AliucordRN tho!
real finity
@@puhbu wrong,i am only a figment of your imagination
This was so good explained. I was having plugin errors indeed and didn't even know it was because of Discord, I just thought all these plugins suddenly updated at the same time and stopped working but now I know what's going on. Imma go and delete them all and keep and eye out for BD Discord when everything is back stable. After that I'll install the new plugins again. :)
Discord can't really do much to stop people modding their client. It's trivial to inject code as Discord is an electron application. Meaning besides the fancy renamed tar files electron uses, there isn't much they can do to stop people.
As for Discord's ToS banning 3rd party clients and client mods. It is mostly to protect them against something like this where an update broke several mods. They also do some stuff on the backend to monitor for irregularities to better catch spammers. Unfortunately this means your custom client will inevitably get caught in the crossfire.
Discord itself is the best advertisement for Guilded
discord will do everything to add customization and speed except literally giving us backgrounds
While they had a reason to do this, it still sucks that you can't have client modifications until the devs figure their way around it.
i mean client modifications are against tos anyway
@@humblebeningings mine still works though
@@humblebeningings only if its used in a bad way
The amount of crashes are crazy for me, also, rip invis typing
silent/invis typing is the ONLY thing i need from the plugin framework, everything else is a nice touch
@@kraskaska Same. I only use some small features like creation date (now only useful for the exact time because discord finally added creation/join date to profile) so I don't really care for the other features. I sure do hope it gets updated
Things like this are why I don't like client mods and would rather an actual custom client, though I realize the obstacles that would come with that :')
Imagine a more maintained, more visually appealing & officially endorsed Ripcord
god that would be so amazing.
there are a few custom clients available but from what I’ve looked at, none do quite what I want.
That will definitely get you banned from discord, automating the login flow or using user tokens outside the official client is a huge no-no, for good reason
Maybe it might be a good idea to search for a platform that allows such things instead. Matrix is getting quite close to that but they are lacking some features like group calls and proper screen sharing.
@@izumemori bruh no one cares
lightcord was a good example of a custom client, until it shut down of course
but there’s things such as ripcord as OP said, along with things such as Armcord which runs VERY well and much faster due to the way it’s built.
The default discord client is a hot dumpster fire and it runs so badly.
“Big no-no” yeah so is selfbotting, but I do it anyway. No one gives a flying fuck if you’re not doing anything bad
@@Pandaptable You should care about it if you don't want your account to be hijacked. It gets infinitely harder to detect abuse if you allow self-bots and automated login flow. Not to mention the extra strain on the support (which is hilariously bad as is, no need to make it worse). I also used a selfbot in like 2016 to 2017, then I talked to some discord devs about it and yea it doesn't give you as much value as it puts you at risk of getting your account yoinked or banned in the long run.
But yea would be great if discord could make a native client instead of this electron bs.
Clicked this video faster than the speed of light 😂
i wish discord pushed an update that made it stop being lagy. i got a pretty decent pc and the ui still chugs badly. maybe its my internet being ass but if internet speed/letency is a factor in the ui usability then they need to fix that.
do u have hardware acceleration on
Did you install openasar yet? It starts up and does everything 2x faster. And with some settings it could be about 4x faster at starting up.
@@Gamer-ct6hb how do i do that? sounds interesting
@@sup6621 yeah doen't make much difference though.
It's the same for minecraft modded, minecraft doesn't have anything against modding but, updating the game every year and making performance changes and code changes for the better of the game does break easily old minecraft mods.
Except that Mojang explicitly permits modding, even though they do not provide built-in modding support.
You can easily downgrade versions in minecraft
There being two mod loaders now doesn't exactly help in that regard either (Quilt can run Fabric mods, so I'm not counting that).
@@BigBuddyYo True, but you loose all support if you downgrade too far. Even though 1.12.2 has most of my favorite mods (that are discontinued btw), I couldn't get help if I wanted to. The support team at Forge don't care about it anymore. I actually had to just switch to Fabric for my MC server since I couldn't get any help from anywhere on how to fix things.
Wait until Discord releases its own extension store to allow for theming. I would love for Discord to use acrylic from Microsoft Fluent Design rather than the opaque background.
openasar has acrylic
themes if introduced would most likely be nitro only
of course requiring a nitro sub for that priviledge.
WebCord also exists. Pretty much stock discord feature-wise with more security.
its basically just the browser discord repackaged
Discord really kills entire scene, either custom clients devs or bot devs (yes bot devs also suffered from API changes), like last 6 weeks, a library that i use Discord.js pushing update atleast 20 times in that time frame, like thats kinda annoying you gotta update every weeks or so to avoid crashes. this makes me quit and EOT my bot, and i just move to website stuff.
They also did something that makes old android apps fail to connect, they work but sometimes they get stuck and are useless. I was forced to update and new version runs really bad on my phone, while old version worked flawlessly until they broke it
a frenchie here. I especially like the fact that you make it clear that the devs are doing their best, for free and with no particular expectations. And thanks for the video, which allowed me to have an explanation after the long week of waiting for the BD update.
I'm not sure why Discord is banning these changes that should be directly installed by default, but anyway thanks for the video and the explanations.
6:45
React Native Aliucord isn't ready yet. The update you mentioned under that is not on react native.
damn i was wondering what happened to my mods
i hope things get fixed soon, but seriously there's no pressure.
it's just discord, no need to overwork yourself over this.
rip to the better discord emotes plugin since the dev said it wasnt going to be continued and if it broke it broke
kinda sad that goosemod won't be continued, but still, i appreciated the time having it 👍
Bluecord is still ALIVE!
Historically no developer has given leeway to modders and the priority when updating stuff, the most they usually do is as they do, or after they update, they provide the Tools to work with the new update.
6 months later:
Discord: "We are switching back to Babel"
vencord and btrdiscord broke AGAIN!
yep, it happened to me too
I have no idea what client mods are but I clicked and subscribed solely for your voice; it's a gorgeous voice, please keep talking
Basically they changed how they compress code and now the mods need to change the way they inject themselves
People who didn’t quite understand much of these stuff assumed the worst. It’s just a side effect that happen in any kind of client modification not just discord. Even games that are modded are included. When you change something from the original client you look for a certain pattern to flag them and start making your changes there, hence when there is some kind of update that alter those flags your code will be broken since it looks for things that aren’t there. It’s 90% of the time un intentional since the original devs doesn’t really pay attention or care about your changes they just focus on their own client.
Thanks to this video I found out that better discord was functional again, even if only partially!
I would think people would know it's a discord update, BD broke many times before.
im just happy the themes still work tbh, im sad the plugins are dead but at least i can still have discord look cool. although betterdiscord seemingly crashes discord like every day now, so thats no fun
Seems like a lot of admin bots are being developed out, so I guess next thing could be the features these mods bring.
Tbh since all of these modifications are against ToS they don't have to maintain them
Still sucks that we have to wait again for new plugins
and why does that matter
and since when does tos matter when neither discord cares nor their employees (which use client mods too)
@@_rushii how many users get suspended for client mods?
so upset that topaz and cumcord are at EOL now. Same with goosemod despite never really liking it. Topaz was like public astra lmao. Cumcord was great and it sucks that’s EOL. Well, here’s hoping replugged stays a thing, because F*CK better discord, it’s so awful lmfao
You can still use Better Discord-ish on phone it's called "Aliucord" I recommend this more than better discord for those who have it on phone, I even have a Gif among us theme for discord on phone, spread this far and wide, discord client modification is still possible on phone, and you install a whole different version of discord
Just remember that Discord will ban you if they find you using these, so be careful when using them
On God bro! They banned my buddy Eric back in 2003 for bragging about a better discord pugin he was using. Never seen him since.
they most likely won't care unless you use a plugin that breaks TOS such as deleted message restorers.
The video hasn’t even started yet but I want to say I got a chips ahoy ad before this
the only plugin i would be looking for is one that slightly rotates the chat bar by 3°
hey man no offense but like what is wrong with you
@@v-ia i want to trigger people (aka do a little trolling)
Why 3?
So this video is a big help into me understanding why the plugins I have stopped working
if you feel entitled to have a certain plugin on discord just make it yourself
The old meaning for "Common Sense" is becoming rare and the "common sense" nowadays just means "dumb" or "stupid" or something...
5:44 turned out to become "shelter" and it claims to be more resistant to major discord app changes
this update broke the webcord, those who were sitting on the raspberry pi will be very disappointed that now they have to sit through the browser...
Someone fixed channeltabs btw.
passion project is the perfect way to describe modded clients. They are all pasted to hell and back and most have major issues
Idk why anyone is mad at Discord here. They didnt even do it just to kill clients, they did it to improve their service.
Either way custom Clients have some features that they definitly should not have and i would be happy if they kill these Features. (Like caching Messages or being able to see Channels they shouldnt be able to see)
We're mad cause they BROKE ALL client mods.
@@AndyGun11 They shouldn't have to support client mods every update they do. It isnt supported and most users dont use such a thing. It should not be included part of QA either because it is not their job. It is a thing client mods have to deal with. This update improves client speeds for normal users. Discord has no obligation to client modders or mods.
@@AndyGun11That happens when you change your system to work better? Why should they make their own Discord client worse just bcs your modification does not work anymore if they improve it?
You break the TOS and expect Discord to support you? Be happy that discord does not ban you lol.
@@tutizx Thats right the App is still lacking a lot of features. That is a valid point.
But then to be angry that they actually work on it, is somewhat ironic.
@@AndyGun11 while being mad about this disaster is understandable, can we really blame Discord's staff for it? It's not their responsibility to keep all of this client mods running, and things breaking at this level is completely normal when it comes to development that relies on potentially unstable internals, specially modding.
I kinda hope discord does get rid of client mods, There is a lot of breaching of privacy that betterdiscord or some other client mods abuse, For example sending a picture by accident and then instantly deleting it, But who ever has betterdiscord well can see it regardless if its deleted, In general I do not support client mods, Unless they are just changing the background of discord or some stuff, But there is a lot here I do see breaching my own privacy, That discord hasn't done anything aganist.
You do realise message loggers are against even BD ToS?
@@yung_maryoda Yet they have them lmao
freeemojis literally being a paid function, this will happen as it cuts into their model (it's penny pinching really)
Discord these times be like: Buy nitro or you cant use things that every comunicatting platform should have for free!
I love how discord doesn't allow client mods, but then they make an app so shit that you basically need to use a client mod to resolve a large chunk of bugs and issues.
I only used BD and their plugins to keep offline copies of DMs, and I guess this was bound to happen, I’ll run vanilla until they all rebuild, hopefully
Messages are often stored in your cache in your local folder including links to pics you thought you deleted so tf you achieving storing offline copies of dms using a 3rd party client when it's already been stored in your cache? Furthermore why would you need to keep offline copies? Talk about cringe 🙄
Dang, Channel Tabs is gone? That was my favorite plug-in. :(
i have betterdiscord on right now and nothing seems to be wrong, it broke some betterdiscord plugins like:
FreeEmotes
HideDisabledEmojis
SpotifyControl
those are the plugins i mostly use but they wont work and i dont wanna bother trying the others
ah, so this is what happened to my plugins, i was actually wondering what happened to my plugins that stopped them from working haha
Huh. No wonder why my client just
failed. It also turns out that BetterDiscord released an update recently that fixes some things (You'd need to download the new installer from the site and reinstall BetterDiscord btw)
the only thing that works atm is themes. Plugins might take some more time according to what I'm hearing. but yeah. Jeez Discord likes to make everything a pain in tha ass-
Really reminds me of Cities: Skylines! 80% of the mods I download break whenever theres a large update
those damn DLCS...
tbht i never really used any of the plugins all that often other than volume booster, which sucks since some of my friends have quiet microphones, but i can deal with it
edit: mobile discord mods such as bluecord still work perfectly, but its android only, since ios isnt so keen on apps outside of the apple store
for iOS mods, i use enmity, it can be done without jailbreak, however on almost all iOS versions with a jailbreak you wont get push notifications
I was panicking untill i saw this was 11 months ago
Damn, I used Goosemod regularly. Guess it's back to BD then.
did you read the title of the video
@@angw3l not really the point. What I was referring to was the fact that Goosemod is at its EOL or discontinued, which I didn't know about. That's why I said I'm switching back to BD.
I've heard NTTS say he loves me more than my dad at this point
0:13 I see myself! I enjoy being a contributor
Cute chips
@@notlegitplayer hey zaine
@@DeepfriedChips hi
I'm glad people still use Discord even after it was known that Discord keeps all data from the user base
this is exactly what we need as a society to grow you people put your trust in us and we give you no reason to worry
I am proud of all the discord users you all are vital to our mission
Nah I stopped using it lmao
@@thatspookagain4030 I'm sorry to hear you aren't using this software for your device
is there a reason?
Idk what betterdiscord is talking about in the case of plugins specifically. I reinstalled betterdiscord with 0 plugins and the stupid thing crashes even so, prompting me to open my plugins folder to find the issues.
So like, no...? Plugins arent the only thing thats broken about BD.
now's your chance to [switch to matrix]!
So that is why my plugins stopped working out of nowhere, Well I wish them the best of luck.
im glad that its only for desktop and NOT on mobile
Yeah, aliucord is still in the run
Vencord Still works. I've switched to using Vencord for the time being. When Repugged works again, I will go right back to that.
in time, client mods like BetterDiscord will come back stronger. we just need to be patient my friends
bd skins still work btw so you can just delete your plugins for now and when there back up update betterdiscord and redownload plugins from the site
RIP ChannelTabs, single handedly made discord usable for me
Does anyone know why modded clients are against TOS in the first place? I would understand if it was a legal issue or something, but if Discord literally just made it against the TOS because they didn't like it, then that's ridiculous. I had kind of the same question when VRChat introduced the Easy Anti Cheat update (They did that specifically to stop modders). The mods for VRChat were very useful and most of the time didn't harm anyone, so it's strange that they did that.
VrChat added anticheat due to people using plugins to crash servers, rip PAID avatars ( copyright laws ), fry graphics cards, etc etc. Of course you had the good mods, but they heavily outweighed the bad.
The same thing could happen to Discord. There was a BetterDiscord plugin for example that allowed you to see channels you didn't have permission to see. You wouldn't be able to read/join them, but you could see they existed even if your permissions weren't high enough.
@@mads2486 I knew some people used malicious mods, but I had no idea people could literally fry graphics cards. It’s understandable that they removed mods in that case.
@@JJsWithJesus Yep. People would steal IP's, and literally fry your graphics card. Though people like to claim it doesn't happen- I've definitely seen it happen. VrChats security was practically non existant, and it was basically a free for all. Headsets were being broken too. I dont know the technicalities of it though.
What are you on about? You CANNOT fry any graphics cards with mods, i created mods for VRChat and it was impossible to do it, the only thing someone can do to someone else is crash their game with an avatar, people can know your location easily without needing mods too since VRChat doesn't have good security for it but that has nothing to do with mods at all, ripping avatars still works because they are stored in your local folder, again without any use of mods, please don't spread misinformation.
@@Hugal. Again, I'm not sure exactly how it was done. Maybe they got the persons IP through VRChat, and somehow gained access to their PC to mess with their gpu- I really dont know. But im 99.999% sure I've seen it happen. It definitely isnt a common thing that happens every day, but I can guarantee it happened.
The only plugin that is working(for me) , is double tap to edit
When I updated to the last version of BetterDiscord both themes and plugins were completely gone, nowhere to be found in settings
They should still be in your folder.
no wonder my BetterDiscord is broken
They also broke the mobile app, but we won't talk about that
"one week ago, discord dropped a bomb"