Three factors that led to Maui wildfires
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 15 ต.ค. 2024
- Noelani Ahia, a Kanaka Maoli activist, says three main factors led to this week’s devastating wildfires in Hawaii: overtourism, dispossession of native land, and overdevelopment.
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I was lucky enough to spend a week in Hawaii this year. It is a truly magical place. She’s not wrong about the culture being washed away. I was only on 1 island but it seemed like there was almost more Japanese influence on the island than the indigenous people had. Pan-pacific folks are being wiped out of the history books right in front of us. When are we gonna live and let live???
Thank you for this important point. Where is the respect that is supposed to go hand in hand with appreciation for the native peoples of this beautiful land.
We don't care because we are American. We invade for oil and control. Hawaii is just a useful buffer . We will rebuild a bigger base on scorched land.
If you were a tourist, you are the problem.
In 70,000 years none of this is going to matter.
She's vilifying tourists who spend their hard earned money to vacation in Hawaii and support the locals with their hard earned money. Wtf? I live in a tourist town, and do NOT vilify those who want to spend their hard earned money visiting Santa Fe. This 'lady' is espousing a racial nationalist if you aren't native Hawaiian superiority and maybe Hawaiians should be banned from going anywhere else as tourists bc F you too.🙄
don't be confused people, this is not about over-tourism, this is about over-CAPITALISM!!
Shhhhh keep it down. Capitalism is our god
You have angered our God. I cast you into the fiery pit of Overconsumption!
You will Shop till You Drop, or you declare Bankruptcy.
Hahahahahaha!
@@MrMadbrowncowI thought capitalism was our religion, the market our god
Cold hard cash our savior.
No she's an absolute racist native Hawaiian nationalist who wants everyone else off HER islands.
I had no idea Capitalism was flammable!
If Capitalism starts fires, how has the other 49 states survived without being burnt to ash?
Tourism is the primary Hawaiian industry. Without a steady and reliable income, the Aloha spirit would be going hungry. While you can't sell Aloha, it can used to attract tourists. You can't sell the beaches and sunshine either, but they can draw income for the state.
Please save my Hawaiian Brothers & Sisters
🥰ALOHA🥰
I was there 40 years ago. Super mellow, surf was unreal. I was there 4 years ago, super hectic, way crowded, heartbreaker..
I'll never go back, they don't need me there at all. Peace and respect to Hawaii from norcal.
If you have the respect and love for the beauty of any culture and the respect of what they have built present including the past our ancestors who lead the way and set the example you will have no problem.
However you come to take and steal then destroy another nation, 😢😢😢 the misery will follow you unless you recognize your decisive act. The land decides your happiness especially when it is not yours to own. Go home Oprah you're not needed here.
State wake up you might lose what you have too. Me Kealoha Keakua.
E Hawaii!!! MALAMA PONO I KOU KINO
@@marilynjose6354 I hope that means what I think it means. Right on Marilyn, peace.
It’s happening everywhere
Compound this with the fact that disasters disproportionately impact low income natives in less developed areas, who have a much harder time getting relief and less resources to use. The people who cannot recover from their losses are considered a nice bonus for the rich overseas moguls who buy up the land for more hotels.
That’s all poor areas will always be that way
Yep. Well said. May the Spirit of Aloha bring you peace in a very trying time.
hawaii to the hawaiian people. especially now in the historic districts - help these people to rebuild their homes and their community to live their beautiful culture that is full of wisdom.
Hopefully an elder of your community or perhaps even an old family land owner, will donate their collection of ancient Hawaiian artifacts, including maps, recordings, and priceless written songs, artwork and culture. May they be returned to you along with control of how your land is cultivated.
So sorry 😢
I believe the Hawaiians should be compensated for housing costs by tourist $$
Tourist dollars pay for healthcare education law enforcement Fire Protection and Welfare and more than that
Did Tourists start the fire?
Their money helped put it out, their money helped treat the injured, their money helps housing the homeless.
What an ignorant thing to say.
Thats why Lahina was burnt down. The ancient Hawaiians took care all the dirt! Lahina came back to its peace. Businesses Over Charging the local community ceased.
Or....the corporations will take over ( like Black Rock which is taking over ukraina ) and they will build a huge housing in there .
Yes I also believe in the power of Pele and this time she has made her power known to the world colonizers out of Hawaii now both white and yellow leave the native people alone for once do the right thing
So beautifully spoken! We can't forget the people who have breathed aloha into the world. How can we change?
Aloha, I agree… neocolonialism has made the Hawaiian Islands an aspired vacation trip for many generational native Hawaiians. I have spoken to many who have moved from their island home because it is too expensive to live on their own land… 🇵🇷I stand by you.
The colonials have committed horrors on the Hawaiian people for years.
True... I'm with you...😢🇵🇷
True... I'm with you 😢🇵🇷
And???
The fact is native Hawaiians because of Aloha accepted everyone that's a condition most people do not understand unconditional love
Totally agree with both of you also...🇵🇷
The story, History of how they got Puerto Rico too is a crime on itself...We humans are a cáncer to this beautyful planet earth and they still don't care about nothing but that money, they want to drill more and more... Enough is enough the planet is going to kill us all it can't take more of this greed, destruction, when this destruction affects them personaly then maybe they will start to take it serious.....Stop the destruction of Hawaii now!!! 😢🇵🇷🇺🇲 Love my country but the greedy, ignorant, heartless, evil, monsters, that run it are killing it and it's a run away train now, global warming is here to stay and it's just going to get so much worse... Blessings to you and your family always from Puerto Rico with lot's of love
Well said. And true.
This one lady absolutely hates non-Polynesian folk so instead of petitioning the Hawaiian govt to ban all other races from visiting s he's just shitting all
over tourists who spend thousands on a dream
vacation to Hawaii. This total B is absolutely an insane
nationalist and should also argue that these racist mofos should not be allowed to vacation on the mainland bc we all hate eachother or WHATEVER.
Ya ok maybe she should watch this and give her head a shake
My family is planning to visit Hawaii in February and I was thinking of going, but hearing these takes from the perspective of native Hawaiians, I'm not sure I want to go now. I would genuinely feel unwelcome and bad as a white person from the mainland. My brother recently built a modest house on the Big Island that he rents out on airbnb. I see now that he's part of the problem. Yet tourism brings a lot of money to the Hawaiian economy. Of course, most of that money lines the pockets of non-Hawaiians and major corporations, huh. So what's the best solution for everyone that especially benefits and preserves native culture?
ergo tourism ( civilian invasion) brings lots of white people money to white people.
As a Hawaiian come! Don't listen to her!
@@constantineandreu9377…just curious, are you an indigenous Hawaiian?
@@khayeelwilson-el5370 Yup! You can leave the indigenous out👌 Depending where on the Big Island you and your family should be fine! I'm from Maui! She's still living in the past with a victim mentality as if somebody owes her something! Hawaii was not stolen, but giving to the missionaries turned businessman by our corrupt drunk former "KING" who like Biden was placed! Queen Emma should have been our rightful Sovereign Monarch❤ Hawaiian History is full of lies! Not even the majority of my people know the truth!
@@khayeelwilson-el5370 As for your brother he's not the problem! Hawaii's economy is based off of tourism! Tell you the truth my own people are the problem! Literally......
Yes, GOD got rid of the colonizers this time!
Many of the native cultural sites in Maui were completely destroyed. The colonizers didn't take the biggest losses. The Native Hawaiians did.
What a beautiful woman.
Lol, get your eyes checked! She is hideous.
All Native Hawaiians,Who've Been Displaced By Greed Of "Houlies", Need To Be Brought Back And Given The Land Governance.
This Has Been Done To All 1st Nations Peoples. All Over Our Mother Earth.
Greed,Supremacy,
Misogyny. And The Loss Of Culture And Knowledge Of How To Live In Harmony With Every Being. All Is Alive. Blessings And Truth For All. Miigweech For This.
Well The US should declare natural disaster and rebuilt it like they rebuilt the States when disaster hits.
Hawaii is in the United States, it's the 50th state. However, she absolutely right. Rich whites have just come in and have taken over, like that do. Many natives are homeless because they can't afford the exspensive housing. They're staring to do the same at the Gullah Island, they are trying to push them out and are starting to build expensive housing and resorts.
@@cocolyndon4604true and the first to run during the disaster, the news played it to their advantage.
the U.S. never rebuilds after a disaster, they rebuild with insurance, if they have it. the Government helps with fema temporary housing, or short term water supplies, and medical help Only temporarily, but the Government Doesn't rebuild
Sadly, I suspect we're going to respond to HA in the same way we have treated our territory, PR, during times of disaster...a little bit of funding and then you're on your own.
@@camerongallucci3146 No, there are too many rich white people there. PR is an island full of people of color, oh, and the can't vote
And this lady is Extremely exactly Correct Just dumb over development
Few things more hypocritical than people participating in the intensive touristification of their locale, making more money than they could otherwise dream of, and then claiming complete innocence.
Aloha is never defined
Please add that to the
"narrative"
Aloha
😊
Let's not forget who the goddess of Hawaii is. She is a fire God. A volcano, etc.
Perhaps just perhaps there is a message here.
It is no doubt! But we have to continue providing the spirit to everyone knowing that it thrives when it is spread. The world needs more aloha spirit, and I hope the good that Hawaii does for its tourists shows up now in your time of need. God bless! ❤
Make Hawaii American-free again.
Good luck with that
Just build a bridge to mainland USA!
Hawaii is in the US already. They're Americans.
@@jturtle5318 perhaps they no longer want to be American!
@billted3323Trump 2024 nazi
Tell the Truth...well spoken.
Man is his own enemy 😢
Knowledge Is Power And Must Be Freely Given. Blessings And Truth For All.
She Is Telling The Truth.
Blessings And Truth For All.
God Bless You
Why don't they just give Hawaii back to the Hawaiians, I think at this point they should make reparations for the trauma
Same with North America & Canada. Hell might as well do it worldwide. They take better care of the land.
@@alk3078why are you defending corporations and governments? Why even attack an individual? Why be an attack dog for people who don’t even know or care you exist?
You just sound like a white person who’s mad your people have done fucked up things to others. You don’t even have to agree with reparations, but you should at least respect that they have a point, but you can’t even do that. What a pathetic waste.
@alk3078 I WATCH A DOCUMENTARY ABOUT HAWAIIANS NOT OWNING HAWAII ANYMORE.!!! ALMOST EVERYTHING THAT CAN BE BOUGHT, HAS BEEN.! THE TOURISTS TRADE IS DRIVING THE PRICES SO HIGH,MOST HAWAIIANS ARE LIVING TOGETHER
OR LIVING OUT OF THEIR CAR,WHY.!? THEY CAN'T AFFORD RENT BY THEMSELVES AS PRICES KEEP CLIMBING.! HAWAIIANS SAY HAWAII IS NOT FOR HAWAIIANS ANYMORE.! JUST FOR TOURISTS AND OTHER RICH PEOPLE WHO CAN AFFORD IT.!!!
Because there are rich(white) people getting richer & richer off of Hawaiian tourism and land investments, that is why. How about if THEY make reparations.
Give back Hawaii to the Hawaiians? Great question but that would never happen sorry to say that. Up to the Hawaiians to keep their culture
Hawaii for Hawaiians 🤙
This video (that this came from) has been very helpful over the past few days as a reference model. It's been playing out even more. Thankful for this channel.
ALOHA HAWAIIAN PEOPLE❤ HERE MY BREATH OF LIFE WISHING HAWAIIANS BRIGHT FUTURE ON HAWAII WITH HAWAIIAN VALUES, HAWAIIAN CULTURE, MAHALO🌼
Aloha .. beautiful! I re-learned a new word!
Very true so sad. I hope everyone heals and rebuilding your Island ❤
Yes... Mother Earth herself with Pele have said... enough. If you will be here you will return to the earth. Fire is one of the most cleansing powers on this planet.
Just the fact that Hawaii is still a US state is a travesty. The US was supposed to be about freedom not imperialism.
Do native Hawaiians want tourists to keep away from the islands as a means of supporting them? It is hard for some of us to know what to do.
@billted3323 What does this mean?? I've read and seen articles and stories about this on both sides. But do we here on the mainland know what Hawaiians really want and need?
@billted3323 Because I'm open to opinions? I just read an article from a native Hawaiian who was angry at the people staying out of all of Hawaii, because their small business was suffering and they were mad that others wanted tourists to stay away. Obviously, not in the Lahaina area, but in the other parts. What is beta supposed to mean besides the Latin letter?
The economy would be fkd without tourism, without tourism Hawaiian's would starve..what industry would there be..
The sirens are checked regularly. They had an excellent system. Something happened that isn't right.
What happened to the original Hawaiians who look like the last indigenous Queen, Lili'uokalani? Guess the german japanese and white american immigrants bred them out. Smdh!
What she’s saying makes no sense. It did not cause those horrific fires.
The Ancestors got rid of those folks for the gentrification
Praying for the Aloha People/Culture,.i went in 2000. walked Lahaina on that occation and went to the Volcano,stores,restaurant,etc...Loved it.❤Forhot Paia...🏞⛰️
❤💋🙏
And guess who will be contracted to come in and clean and rebuild after these fires?
Strategically, Town & land burnings have increased. US Gov. Shareholders want more money???😢😢😢Nothing just randomly happens in the US. Nothing!😢
The world must remember the American conglomerate the Dole pineapple industry was instrumental in destroying the Hawaii of old and replacing it with the white and yellow perversion that we know of today foreigners leave Hawaii now and go back to where you came from same with North and South America
Blackrock??🙄
Maui is beautiful, it is one of the most beautiful places to vacation. I have been to Lahina and Kaanapali Beach.
I've visited other countries tropical beaches and there was no comparison to Maui or kauai. Maui is sooo beautiful and some of the most kindest people I have ever been around. lahina is awesome. this is so sad about what has happened. the beauty was a unique and the most beautiful experiences ever. LOVE MAUI
The main reason for the fires is the burning of fossil fuels. Other factors made it worse but Americans policy increases emissions and thus devastation
Nonsense!
That's part of it. I'm sure
@@RichRich1955 you have been well and truly brainwashed!
That’s not how the fire started genius.
@westernwinchester70 actually, without heat drying out the fuel there would be no fires. Wake up to the fact I predicted the fires unlike you and know the heat will get worse and kill your neighbours and friends. My sympathy for you is saved for people who are not so arrogant and simple in thinking. Stop burning fossil fuels or expect exponentially worse, your stupidity is so frustrating after saying this for over 25yrs
What? Tourists are responsible for the wildfires?
It's when people say lunatic things like this that they lose sympathy for their cause.
Outsiders are responsible for a lot of bad things there, but this is just silly.
What do you expect? Leftists are lunatics.
I’m With you sister. Im so sorry.
i pray that hawaii is this one place on earth where indigenous people reclaim their land and live their culture - TO SHOW THE REST OF THE WORLD HOW HUMANS LIVE AND THRIEVE WITH NATURE AND SPIRIT ❤❤❤
why did the Hawaiians never get their own sections of the islands like the reservations...so the developers couldn't get them???
Why should native's be pushed of their homeland for you all. I bet you are white ,stop feeling like you are entitled to everybody's land, country and culture.
Blame it on us governments and elninio
What a dumb thing to be worried about rn people are missing and dead
She doesn’t care about that.
Gov. Shareholders!!! Where will the money to rebuild come from? Nothing randomly happens in the US.
Praying for Hawaii!
They did the same thing to the Americans AKA black Americans.
Wait, i a middle aged white man from the Midwest, who has never and hadn’t planned on visiting Hawaii, I’m not to blame? Take a minute, I’m sure you’ll come up with something.
Mid West for the Native Americans.😃
God bless Hawaii
I can see how over development can play a part in the Maui Wildfires, but having too many vistors and not enough indigenious people leading to wildfires? yeah no. If that weretrue this wouldn't have been the first time that these wildfires were so devestating.
Would the wildfires still have happened? Yes. They would have been just as devestating, but in more localized region rather than being as widespread as they are. So in this way over development can play a factor, but having too many tourists and not enough indigenous people is simply grasping at straws to explain something.
Seriously the undertone that People should stay in their own spaces, is myopic and unrealistics given the course of human migration (and as far as historic migrations go, native Hawaiians aren't native to Hawaii. They are the result of migration too. They just happned to be on the island sooner and longer than anyone else.)
Again, Over development I can agree with, but too many tourists and not enough Native Hawiians? Yeah, not so much.
I havn't read comments! I'm just an ordinary person, Ive never been to Hawaii, "yetI feel since so many Americans spend time, visiting, enjoying entertainment, "wonders, "adventures of life, ""their "get away!! I feel "In their time of travesty, "America should put back!!, "help renew Hawiian land, "God Bless You whom can do this good deed, "love you, "again, "GOD BLESS!
ETHNIC CLEANSING is the systematic forced removal of ethnic, racial, and religious groups from a given area, with the intent of making a region ethnically homogeneous. Along with direct removal, extermination, deportation or population transfer, it also includes indirect methods aimed at forced migration by coercing the victim group to flee and preventing its return, such as murder, rape, and property destruction.[3][4][5] It constitutes a crime against humanity and may also fall under the Genocide Convention, even as ethnic cleansing has no legal definition under international criminal law.
Let's see how many of those tourist come and help rebuild the communities that were destroyed. Probably not too many. God bless you all, May you recover with dignity and strength.
On the other hand they do appreciate the benefits of tourism, i guess.
But we see increasing numbers of wildfires all over the globe in the last five years, which are the hottest globally since the start of recording them. The predicted consequences of climate change are showing, plain and simple. It is getting bad very quick by the years. Today it is where you go for holidays, tomorrow it is your homeplace.
But we love Queen of Pipe
US BIDNoise men came and eventually TOOK OVER Hawaii.
😊
Yes they DID
😊
Burning your own out for a cheap clearing method for foreign enclave development
Your absolutely correct. My theory is an organized 🔥 to compensate for the debt owed to China. Using American land as collateral. Starting with California and now Hawaii. Just a way to remove natives off of their land and strip it away by eminent domain.
It'll take "The Shock Doctrine: . . . " by Naomi Klein to tell you all about that!
@t.ruththeblack I know all about it. My comment validates that. I'm good on the government narrators.
It wasn't tourism which caused the wildfires. It was the importation of grasses, the abandonment of sugar and pineapple plantations, and a perfectly-tracking hurricane.
Without tourism, the old ways would fade even faster than they have.
So....does Hawaii now need to curtail tourisim???? If so, what type of economy will the state have if tourisim is curtailed?
Natural fires NEVER leave white ash or leave a town looking like it got bombed
Terribly sad...
Can somebody answer this simple question...
What causes the engine block to melt and weld into a vehicle because of a grassfire????
The wind from a distant hurricane blew a tree down, that pulled an electric wire down that started the fire.
No it was the erasure of culture 😂 lol
You obviously didn’t watch the full episode. It’s more than that. It was the extraction of water by the oligarchical corporations. If the land had been left untouched by greedy colonials the fires wouldn’t have happened.
The conservative brain in action is amazing to behold
@@dean9537indeed
@@obsoleteelite8258
Hawaii could not survive without corporations or tourism
I have never been to Hawaii. I don’t think I will ever go there after watching this .
This is a good opportunity for the Kanaka Maoli to take advantage of taking land back.
Nothing ruins without money it's a factor of life. This is a sad situation. We need to start a collection to rebuild. To loose you house and business is just hard .
Es verdad!!!!estoy totalmente de acuerdo,lo mismo pasa en muchos lugares de Mundo,que les importa nada,de Culturas,el dinero destruye,y manipula al ser humano,y la naturaleza🤍✌️🖤♥️🥶😭😵🤬😰😤🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬
Many millionaires who donate to charity to help, to build to restore a nation.
I never understood how can you be so close to water and not be able to quell a fire.
TOTALLY AGREE WITH YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!SO VERY SORRY FOR YOUR LOSE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I agree with her premise of exploitation. But she makes no connection between tourism and the wildfire.
I've read that one problem is the invasive grasses that outsiders have brought in. The grass burns more easily than the native flora.
Nothing said here makes any sense to explaining what happened
Tf
This is just unnecessary hate channeled against people
Negligence is the problem
Not tourism
The structures that stood there for years have been forever destroyed.
You need a class action lawsuit against the electric company to pay for all the damages.
There is an elephant in the room: what if the wildfires in Maui were caused by some secret military weapon launched from the space.
Lasers were fired from opras eyeballs in a giant plot to steal land from you
What is the trifecta exactly?
Indigenous people should never be without lands...
Facts. im never gonna go to Hawaii, in fact, the US should give it back
As a Hawaiian born and bred in the islands, I have no clue what she is talking about... 🗿
Speak the truth
The mental gymnastics people go through to make excuses for their failures is pathetic.
👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾
May. God BLESS THEM FROM THEIR LOST .
The people of Hawaii need to look to their state government for mistakes and to change things. When Ellis bought an entire Hawaiian island to create a place for the uber wealthy, who let that island be sold in the first place? If the electric company isn't responding to threats, the government needs to crack down on them. It keeps getting blamed on tourism.
The Greatest thing to ever come out of Hawaii was the original Hawaii 5-O
Put local Hawaiians in strategic positions. Start with governor.
The PEOPLE chose what they have !!!
What were the three factors?
Putting electrical transformers on wooden poles isn't exactly a good idea.
They should be underground, or the whole system updated to 240 volts like that in Europe.
Too many of these lethal fires are caused by outdated electrical infrastructure.
The fact is throughout the world and over time cultures are assimilated and disappear. People find a way of life they prefer over old ways.
Tourism is 22% of Maui's economy. Is this too much? Should it be less? What should replace it?