My guess is the cross stitching on the arrow flap cover was for stowing spare feather flights, they could be lightly tucked into the stitching and kept flat
Watching these vids, I'm realizing how accomplished Otzi must have been as a hunter.. His tools and equipment show a lot of careful thought and practicality..This was a man who was making a living by that bow and those arows!....Awesome stuff!
A most thoughtful and wonderful video of our stone age ancestor who left you and us with a great story of human evolution and survival. Otzi R.I.P Thank you Shawn. A+ presentation!
You are the best, today I fleshed a whitetail deer hide that my dad got a year ago, I plan to turn it into a quiver, then while its salting for a day, I get on youtube and see this.... thank you!
The most logical purpose for the stitching is to cause a curve to occur in the secondary cover, so that the fletching on the arrows is not crushed. I have been reading about tailoring and there are many ways of getting fullness into "fabric" with thread and shrinking and stretching. I can't really make out the pattern and haven't seen the original, but it doesn't appear to offer much protection in your version because the seam. is pretty open, and it is actually open all around the other three sides. The flap itself is good enough for moisture protection, but it would crush the fletchings. So a secondary flap that would protect the feathers, would be an asset. A running stitch like the one shown seems more likely to cause puckering, but there are many other things that could be done to shape the surface. These could be differential tightening, wedging, glue effects between the natural materials, shrinking and stretching. differential hardening, etc... While a bubble to protect the feathers is a pretty sophisticated design feature, it is technologically well behing everything else that goes into a bow.
+Hondo Trailside Actually you have the right idea. Much like the cathedral style, or other decorative, stitching used on tall cowboy boots, this stitching was likely to keep the leather rigid and in a certain form. This is a common practice in sewing.
@@martinaxe6390 I agree that the stitching and extra layered strips of hide would best describe an effort of stiffening and shaping, while it overlaps the quiver’s tube. The side stitching, however, seems too-easily wetted by rain, even tho it’s also covered by the final topflap. Tho it would appear to be more-easily addressed by adding to its bottom edge, keeping it separate before assembly would allow for isolated heat-hardening. The rod seems waaay more massive than necessary? I’d guess it’s carried mostly vertical; tho the backpack might make a back-quiver impossible, it could be carried like a LakotaQuiver.
I've enjoyed watching this video and now I can put a voice to your article in Traditional Bowhunter about making an arrow out of poison ivy. Excellent work.
Shawn I have only recently found your channel. I am thoroughly impressed with your skill in making these primitive items and putting them to practical use. Don't let the nay sayers get to you. You can't please 100% of the people 100% of the time, it's silly to try. Keep up the good work RB
Thank you for this video Shawn. I have looked at that quiver on you on the cover of Traditional Bowhunter and it wasn't until I googled your name that I was able to get some information on it. I really like it and I'm going to try and make one using this style. Thanks again for taking the time to teach us all something, it's absolutely amazing work.
Mr. Woods you do some terrible work. Keep the videos coming and I'll keep watching. Leaves one with the desire to relive some of our long lost forgotten human history.
Great video! Thank You, Sir! I got the idea that the "ornamental" sewing on the one flap could have served for shaping the flap into a "bent", hollow shape, keeping the fletching from beeing damaged by the flaps? Maybe this flap only was there to work as a spacer for the fletching. Shoot Straight!
After watching your series on the recreation of ancient archery I very impressed with your approach. Keep at it. Document well and write a paper. You seem to have a knack for it.
awesome, thank you x the recreation. One question, how long is the bow you are showing? And, was not his bow a long bow? i believe he was working on a 6' bow
I just finished my yew bow Otzi style. Working handle, only pulling 60 lbs at 24 inches. Shoots very nicely. John Strunk was kind enough to give me advice during making it. Thanks for your videos. I am having trouble retting the bark of the basswood tree to get the bast fiber. Must be a different variety than he used.
Awesome. Wish I could have the patience of use primitive tools instead of modern too. When u started to drill the holes into the hazel with i flint i would've take out my power drill .
When you think about it, the shape of Otzi's quiver resembles nothing so much as a giant, leather knife sheath. One wonders if that was where the design was taken from.
Have you considered that the hair on the quiver may have been on the inside not the outside? Ishi's quiver made from an otter skin had the hair on the inside to protect the arrows. For awhile the museum had mistakenly put the hair on the outside until corrected.
What I think is cool is that, much like the man in this video, Otzi did not invent any of these techniques or designs himself. As is true of the man today, was still true 5000 years ago, which is that all of the materials, techniques, and technology that were utilized were all discovered and created by the humans who came before them, and simply passed along.
I would suggest the leather strips on the feathers protector were to add some rigidity to to flap. Of corse you wouldnt use wood sticks becase they would crease the feathers. The leather straps would just help to keep the form flat. I would probably even make tha flap fur-in to cusion the fletchins.
Hi Steve, Great job on the quiver, looks authentic. Do you have the demotions of the quiver? I would like to try to make one or twelve lol. Feel free to PM me with details if you can. Thanks for your hard work.
Otzi involuntarily presented a window through time. Styles vary around the world, but basic tools and procedures follow familiar patterns. Courtesy of Half Vast Flying
I'm jealous of where you live,....you have Obsidian,.....I have flint harder than Titanium,.you have Elk and here hunting deer is like fishing in a mud puddle.
viva zapata already said what I wanted to say before scrolling down to the comments.... However, I'm going to say it anyway ! COOL ! (hehehehe) I really like your vids alot ! ;)
maybe those leather stitches on the secondary flap was to hold more of those detachable arrow tips.... just a thought no need to have those small bits in the bottom.
They just announced that two places cord bundle was made from sinew and was his bow string. Though I think they also said his bow was not yet finished so it could be here was I'm the process of making a new bow and that was his string from his old bow.
Otzt could have cut the little flap over the fletchings, as he cut out the main body of the quivet, saving him from having to sew one less seam.Which was probably a big deal in his day.
you could allso simply tan the hide in to leather. Boil allot of Bark from a pinetree for a few houers. Then remove all bark and keep the liquid. the liquid should if done correctly be brownish thats whats called Tannine, and is whats used for guess what... tanning. Soake the hide in in for a few days, then remove the hide and scrape of any fat and meat left on the flesh side. and wash the hide. The it diye up a bit then before its dry start flexing the hide so it gets air in to the hides fibres and pores. If all is done corectly you should end up whit a good pice of leather.
It's said that he was wealthier than average, based on the copper axe he had. But then again, it's said that he was killed and the killers didn't take his axe, so maybe it wasn't that valuable after all.
Brilliant stuff.
Just shows how skilled these ancient people were.
My guess is the cross stitching on the arrow flap cover was for stowing spare feather flights, they could be lightly tucked into the stitching and kept flat
I’m loving going back and watching these videos again.
Very cool ! As a bow hunter I’ve been interested in his equipment since they found him you’ve did a great job of recreating it. Thanks
I'm impressed by your attention to detail. Thanks for sharing this!
Watching these vids, I'm realizing how accomplished Otzi must have been as a hunter.. His tools and equipment show a lot of careful thought and practicality..This was a man who was making a living by that bow and those arows!....Awesome stuff!
A most thoughtful and wonderful video of our stone age ancestor who left you and us with a great story of human evolution and survival. Otzi R.I.P Thank you Shawn. A+ presentation!
Love your videos on the making of these articles. You are a talented artist.
Your series on Otzi is really great. Keep up the good work!
To je profesionální video. dobrá a pečlivá práce. Díky za poučení.
Pretty sweet. I really enjoy your videos on historical archery tackle. Keep em comin
You are the best, today I fleshed a whitetail deer hide that my dad got a year ago, I plan to turn it into a quiver, then while its salting for a day, I get on youtube and see this.... thank you!
Very well done! Thanx for bringing to view a beautiful example of our hunter gather heritage.
The most logical purpose for the stitching is to cause a curve to occur in the secondary cover, so that the fletching on the arrows is not crushed. I have been reading about tailoring and there are many ways of getting fullness into "fabric" with thread and shrinking and stretching. I can't really make out the pattern and haven't seen the original, but it doesn't appear to offer much protection in your version because the seam. is pretty open, and it is actually open all around the other three sides. The flap itself is good enough for moisture protection, but it would crush the fletchings. So a secondary flap that would protect the feathers, would be an asset.
A running stitch like the one shown seems more likely to cause puckering, but there are many other things that could be done to shape the surface. These could be differential tightening, wedging, glue effects between the natural materials, shrinking and stretching. differential hardening, etc...
While a bubble to protect the feathers is a pretty sophisticated design feature, it is technologically well behing everything else that goes into a bow.
+Hondo Trailside Actually you have the right idea. Much like the cathedral style, or other decorative, stitching used on tall cowboy boots, this stitching was likely to keep the leather rigid and in a certain form. This is a common practice in sewing.
@@martinaxe6390 I agree that the stitching and extra layered strips of hide would best describe an effort of stiffening and shaping, while it overlaps the quiver’s tube. The side stitching, however, seems too-easily wetted by rain, even tho it’s also covered by the final topflap. Tho it would appear to be more-easily addressed by adding to its bottom edge, keeping it separate before assembly would allow for isolated heat-hardening.
The rod seems waaay more massive than necessary? I’d guess it’s carried mostly vertical; tho the backpack might make a back-quiver impossible, it could be carried like a LakotaQuiver.
I am not a hunter or an archer, but I find this EXTREMELY COOL and interesting...I look forward to watching your other videos, thank you!
This is gonna be a perfect gift for my bf, not only is is awesome but it's gonna be fully hand made! How exciting!
Rachel Yeung You're awsome person ✌
Excellent work! I appreciate your 'easy to listen to' style.
can you do a video series on how to use every part of a animal like deer moose exc
I've enjoyed watching this video and now I can put a voice to your article in Traditional Bowhunter about making an arrow out of poison ivy. Excellent work.
Shawn I have only recently found your channel. I am thoroughly impressed with your skill in making these primitive items and putting them to practical use. Don't let the nay sayers get to you. You can't please 100% of the people 100% of the time, it's silly to try.
Keep up the good work
RB
Thank you for this video Shawn. I have looked at that quiver on you on the cover of Traditional Bowhunter and it wasn't until I googled your name that I was able to get some information on it. I really like it and I'm going to try and make one using this style. Thanks again for taking the time to teach us all something, it's absolutely amazing work.
Mr. Woods you do some terrible work. Keep the videos coming and I'll keep watching.
Leaves one with the desire to relive some of our long lost forgotten human history.
Great video! Thank You, Sir! I got the idea that the "ornamental" sewing on the one flap could have served for shaping the flap into a "bent", hollow shape, keeping the fletching from beeing damaged by the flaps? Maybe this flap only was there to work as a spacer for the fletching.
Shoot Straight!
Amazing how much primitive people could make with just the wilderness to provide the material.
After watching your series on the recreation of ancient archery I very impressed with your approach. Keep at it. Document well and write a paper. You seem to have a knack for it.
awesome, thank you x the recreation. One question, how long is the bow you are showing? And, was not his bow a long bow? i believe he was working on a 6' bow
That is most excellent! You are a man after my own heart! Awesome..
I just finished my yew bow Otzi style. Working handle, only pulling 60 lbs at 24 inches. Shoots very nicely. John Strunk was kind enough to give me advice during making it. Thanks for your videos. I am having trouble retting the bark of the basswood tree to get the bast fiber. Must be a different variety than he used.
Great video. You certainly did not waste my time. Otzi verified what modern hunters should carry.
Very interesting. I've enjoyed your Otzi series.
Shawn, this is awesome. Being from the region, I need to drive to Bolzano and go see Oetzi's stuff now!
Great work , fellas like me can only dream about having the skill to do this kind of work .
Sorry for all the grammar mistakes, leaving comments on a mobile device is a pain
Do you think this could be made out if coyote hide? With the fur on the inside?
Hunter Bibb A Bit late but yes.
Another great video! Thanks for sharing, Love your work
Thank you Shawn I made the quiver out of alpine goat hide but I haven’t attached the rope yet
very nice i already have a beaver hide ready to go for this project
Very interesting. Nice job
This is really awesome id love to try this
Very interesting and fascinating, many thanks.
great work i hope you have luck with this equipment this year!
Do you know what kind of wood bark the rope was made of. I can't find info on it? Thanks :)
DonVonGun lime tree
common lime
small leaf lime or big leave lime can be used
simply amazing! awesome video.
Really nice video. Thanks
Very cool. Thanks for posting.
do you think those strips on the flap where to hold a shape to protect the fetching? just a thought
Man thats pretty kick ass..
Well done and very informative!
Awesome. Wish I could have the patience of use primitive tools instead of modern too. When u started to drill the holes into the hazel with i flint i would've take out my power drill .
Amazing Video 👍👍👍
Great job brother!
I wanna see more of these, I'm really interested in otzi's life and what he used
Thanks for the video it was very interesting and enjoyed watching.
If only Ötzi could have known one day he'd be superstar.
When you think about it, the shape of Otzi's quiver resembles nothing so much as a giant, leather knife sheath. One wonders if that was where the design was taken from.
Great video thanks
Have you considered that the hair on the quiver may have been on the inside not the outside? Ishi's quiver made from an otter skin had the hair on the inside to protect the arrows. For awhile the museum had mistakenly put the hair on the outside until corrected.
Great video thanks for posting
awesome awesome video! you have some real talent!
Wasn't he on the run and got killed? They found an arrowhead in his shoulder.
I believe so. He had a copper axe which was very valuable during his time
Im impresed! Great work and demonstration.
Stay safe!
Have you considered making his belt as well?
Maybe the leather patterns were used to hold extra insert tips for the arrows? But awesome video series
was that hide tanned or did you just flesh it? Looks like it might have taken quite a long time to complete.
Great job!
i love otzis style quiver! i want to make one like a mongol otzi hybrid quiver
I've caught a couple of these Otzi vids. Just awesome. Where are you finding all these details? Most articles are very general.
What I think is cool is that, much like the man in this video, Otzi did not invent any of these techniques or designs himself. As is true of the man today, was still true 5000 years ago, which is that all of the materials, techniques, and technology that were utilized were all discovered and created by the humans who came before them, and simply passed along.
Shawn, how about a video on how you got into archery? Any boyhood bows? What was the first "real" bow you made?
I would suggest the leather strips on the feathers protector were to add some rigidity to to flap. Of corse you wouldnt use wood sticks becase they would crease the feathers. The leather straps would just help to keep the form flat. I would probably even make tha flap fur-in to cusion the fletchins.
wow, when you go caveman, you really go authentic caveman.
Fascinating
Hi Steve,
Great job on the quiver, looks authentic. Do you have the demotions of the quiver? I would like to try to make one or twelve lol. Feel free to PM me with details if you can.
Thanks for your hard work.
Very cool...
love your vids!
Otzi involuntarily presented a window through time. Styles vary around the world, but basic tools and procedures follow familiar patterns.
Courtesy of Half Vast Flying
How many strands for the sinew thread did you use
Samuel duffied obsidian is a stone the has qualities like flint it is a lso caled naters glass btw it is very shiny
i thought it was 7000 or more ?
i'm thinking the quiver road low near the hip like a plains style quiver .
great work,thanks for the vid.
..bill
I'm jealous of where you live,....you have Obsidian,.....I have flint harder than Titanium,.you have Elk and here hunting deer is like fishing in a mud puddle.
I'm pretty interested by this quiver, even if it is 5000 year old, we use the same actually to protect longbow's wood arrows!!!
How can I do to keep the skin soft even after it dries?
perhaps as a side quiver with the fathers forwards at the hip.
viva zapata already said what I wanted to say before scrolling down to the comments.... However, I'm going to say it anyway ! COOL ! (hehehehe) I really like your vids alot !
;)
maybe those leather stitches on the secondary flap was to hold more of those detachable arrow tips.... just a thought no need to have those small bits in the bottom.
thanks buddy
They just announced that two places cord bundle was made from sinew and was his bow string. Though I think they also said his bow was not yet finished so it could be here was I'm the process of making a new bow and that was his string from his old bow.
Otzt could have cut the little flap over the fletchings, as he cut out the main body of the quivet, saving him from having to sew one less seam.Which was probably a big deal in his day.
really cool. Does anybody else think his axe may have been a knapping tool?
you could allso simply tan the hide in to leather. Boil allot of Bark from a pinetree for a few houers. Then remove all bark and keep the liquid. the liquid should if done correctly be brownish thats whats called Tannine, and is whats used for guess what... tanning. Soake the hide in in for a few days, then remove the hide and scrape of any fat and meat left on the flesh side. and wash the hide. The it diye up a bit then before its dry start flexing the hide so it gets air in to the hides fibres and pores. If all is done corectly you should end up whit a good pice of leather.
More videos like these
How do you sew with sinew thread
James Martinez that was the material for thread in prehistoric times. There was no such thing as string back then.
was otzi what we would call wealthy in the standards of his time?
he was a 1%er.
Aleph Null Yes
It's said that he was wealthier than average, based on the copper axe he had. But then again, it's said that he was killed and the killers didn't take his axe, so maybe it wasn't that valuable after all.
I think the stick was used to lock the quiver into his pack.
the iceman had a rough life
Justo Anderson not really. He was pretry well off for his time.
MAYBE THE STITCHING'S IN THE FLAP WERE FOR FORE SHAFTS.
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I really want those arrows lol
Watch the videos on making them
Can you make his clothes, please!
IKR. I’ve spent sooo much effort to figure out how to make primitive clothing, but nobody shows how to