How to Make Organic Worming Solution with Copper Sulfate! HUGE SAVINGS!
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- How to Make Organic Worming Solution with Copper Sulfate! HUGE SAVINGS!
In this video, Tim discusses how to make organic worming solution for sheep and goats with distilled water and copper sulfate cyrstals! This is the "old school" way of worming sheep and goats and is extremely cost effective. Check out the additional information below!
Directions:
Mix 2,850 ml (2.85 Liters) of distilled water with 28.4 grams of copper sulfate crystals in a sealed plastic container. This will make a 1% copper sulfate worming solution suitable for sheep and goats!
Dosages:
Adult sheep and goats over 60lbs: 100ml oral drench
Juvenile lambs and goat kids under 60lbs: 50ml oral drench
Animals may be treated every 3 months/90 days as needed.
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Thanks so much.
Got to try this thank you!
You’re very welcome. Thank you for watching.
Hi Tim, I am a back yard goat farmer here in the Philippines and i found your channel in TH-cam and your videos on goat farming are very informative ang I've learned a lot, since i'm just a beginner goat farming. Thank you so much and keep up those videos. God bless .
Thank you very much!
@@LinessaFarms hey Tim! Can you tell me how often you’d give the 100 ml to the goats
Or is it once 100ml dosage every 3 months?
And is it ok on empty stomach?
Thank you so much , 😊
You are very welcome. 😬
Thank you, you guys are amazing! I am a new subscriber recommended by a friend and I really needed this recipe right now as I have some wormy goats and chemicals and herbal are not working. Thank you once again!
You are exactly right because when i was giving the drench he wouldn’t swallow and i forced him to drink, you should make a video recording this i am sure lot of people don’t know about it , by the way you are doing amazing job with your videos.
Thank You 🙏
Thank You 🙏
You’re very welcome. Thank you for bringing this point to my attention. I will be sure to share this information in future videos.
Thanks
You’re welcome, Liz. Thank you for watching our videos.
Good afternoon. We have a buck who recently became ill; loss of energy, poor appetite, fever, diarrhea. Our initial thoughts were coccidia/pneumonia. we treated with corrid/ oxytetracycline IM/ fluid+electrolyte drenches/ ASA . After inspecting his mucous membranes, he was pretty anemic. I bought the CuSO4 crystals a while back after watching this video and reading the thesis so we drenched him according to this recipe. The copper sulfate drench was a few days ago. With all the treatment, he seems to be slowly regaining energy. I'm considering also administering some moxidectin. I didn't want to start with moxidectin since we were giving aspirin to reduce his fever and I felt there was a risk of internal bleeding if all the worms detached at once. All of our veterinarians have been closed due to the holiday or I would have driven him over by now. What are your thoughts? I'd appreciate any feedback or advice you have to offer.
We normally won’t use copper sulfate on sick animals, but if it was due to barber pole worm, it should take care of it.
We have received some questions about dosing baby lambs and goat kids. We do not see a need to, nor would we advise worming prior to weaning. There are limited situations where worming prior to weaning is advised but this is a complicated subject we are not covering in this video. Worming babies at very early age should only be performed under the direct supervision of a veterinarian. We do not advise worming with copper sulfate earlier than weaning and have never personally done so. Copper sulfate overdose can damage the hemoglobin in the blood and make it impossible for the animal to get the oxygen needed to survive. In regard to worming very young lambs and goats, please be aware of the side effects of overdosing on chemical wormers such as ivermectin as it can potentially cause encephalopathy (swelling of the brain).
Can u worm pregnant does ?
Do you have a video administering this?
Do you need a wash out period for milking does? BTW - love your videos!
Hello, Lisa! Thanks for watching our videos. You do not need a withdrawal time if administering copper sulfate wormer. Great question!
Thank you!!
You’re very welcome. 😬
@@LinessaFarms Is there a shelf life for the mixture? I only have 4 goats, don't plan to get more for the time being. I would assume it's not a good idea to half the water and copper.
@@autoflowerfarmer3326 it has to be mixed and administered as directed. It will keep for years, easily. The copper makes it bacterostatic. Just keep it at room temp in a sealed container and you’re fine.
@@LinessaFarms I truly appreciate your time. Thank you
@@autoflowerfarmer3326 glad to help.
How do you administer?
Hi Tim, sorry to comment again. Just wondering if you know of potential problems with using CuSO4 as a drench if your loose mineral also contains copper.
My whole goat herd is lined up to get adminstered with copper sulfate tomorrow as they have already been treated with the first rounds of clear and white wormers like you advise.
Love your channel. Keep up the great work.
It is not a nutritional source of copper if given as a 1% oral drench as advised. This is how we are able to give it to sheep as well. Very little (if any) is absorbed into the system. As documented by the University of Kentucky study, there were no notable increases in blood copper levels.
@@LinessaFarms Excellent. Thank you. Yes, I just verified that there is no copper sulfate in my loose mineral, just copper. Apparently some people have actual copper sulfate in their mineral and thus were worried. Again though, the study shows that they shouldn't be.
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Hello. I clicked on the link you have above for the copper sulfate crystals on amazon but it tells me "This item cannot be shipped to your selected delivery location. Please choose a different delivery location." Why can't they ship to me in Michigan? Is there another brand? Thank you.
Hi, I am a new goat owner - new homesteader. I just found your channel and I really appreciate your great information. While I am not dealing with worms in my goats just yet (just looking for a good preventative), I am dealing with roundworms in my chickens. I let them free range for about half the day and I have just started to notice worms in their poop. Do you think this would work for chickens? Do you have any idea how to dose - drinking water, drench? Thanks again!
Hello. We worm our chickens with copper sulfate. Go ahead and mix up some copper sulfate according to our plan and offer them this mix as their water for about 6-8 hours. Should fix you right up.
@@LinessaFarms so only the copper sulfate 1% to drink? Does that work for ducks as well?
Thank you for sharing! It makes sense to me. I’ve been researching using copper sulfate as a copper supplement instead of copper oxide particles for our goats. Pat Coleby (in Natural Goat Care) suggests always using dolomite in conjunction with copper. What have you found in your research? Do you find dolomite necessary? Also, would you think giving a dose of copper sulfate water mix would work for goats showing copper deficiency in place of copper oxide particles?
Hello. Thank you for the question and thank you for watching our videos. The copper sulfate we use is for worming purposes only and not for use as a nutrition supplement. It is poorly absorbed into the system which is actually a good thing for our sheep people that cannot have copper in their diet. The copper and dolomite you are referencing is for nutritional value. Goat feed and goat minerals provide enough copper for your animals in most cases. We have heard of multiple producers overdosing their goats on copper recently as they are giving free choice mineral, goat feed, and the copper bolus. We personally do not feed dolomite. The added magnesium component the dolomite provides is met through our normal feeding and the added calcium is provided through our addition of limestone to our feed and the free choice baking soda we provide as well. This is where mixing different tactics from different farms can get tricky.... So, here is my advice. Worm with the copper sulfate wormer as needed and remember it will only work on worms. Treat your nutritional copper as a completely different situation and try free choice (phosphorus free mineral) mineral with copper and goat feed first. If that doesn’t seem to be cutting it, consider a copper bolus once every 6 months. You should be adding some kind of calcium to your feed already to prevent urinary calculi (see our video about preventing urinary calculi). While the magnesium is important, you should be getting enough already. Hope this helps! I know it’s a lot of information. As a side note, going rouge on the copper sulfate formula could be deadly so be cautious. 😬
Great question! Tim
Thank you for your question!
Tim thank you for the informative! answer.
Keep up those videos!
I would mark a fill line to watch for evaporation . Mark each time it’s used. With date.
Yes. This is a great option. Do your best to keep the container sealed and marking the bottle is a helpful idea. We personally keep ours in the fridge but have been hesitant to tell people to do this because we are afraid someone is going to drink it! 🫤
Hello I have learned a lot from your videos and will like to ask you if this will help with the Barber Pole Worm specifically. I am asking because you teach us on previous videos that no all dewormer are created equally . Thank you
Hello and thank you for watching our videos and thank you for the kind words. Yes. The copper sulfate will specifically help with barber’s pole worm. It will work for most intestinal worms with the exception of tape worms. Unfortunately, the copper sulfate has very little effect on tape worms.
@@LinessaFarms hello just a quick question if my goat has bottle jaw do I give it how long only one day dosage ?
@@oleole6105 bottle jaw is a symptom of a major parasite infestation. You will need to worm the animal as soon as possible but there is always a significantly higher risk of death with a worm load this bad. Dosage amounts are the same regardless.
Once the worms are expelled by the wormer you choose, there may be additional bleeding of the intestinal lining and some toxins may be released. Expect the animal to take at least a month to fully recover. The eyelids may be pale for 2-3 weeks before the body can naturally create enough hemoglobin to support the animal again.
@@oleole6105 100ml for adults or 50ml for a kid. You can repeat it in 5 days. Then you wait.
@@LinessaFarms I gave her and the others Valvazen 1 day and another dosage of Valvazen skipping 1 day because I didn't know if I could give them one day after the other. Is 7 months old considered adult ? Once the Cooper Sulfate arrives I will provide that as well .
Thanks again for the video and information.. it’s very helpful.
how long does it take to take affect ? If you can see they have bottle jaw.
And can they become resistant?
How long after giving copper sulphate mix could I work him with a chemical pharmaceutical
Wormer?
Hello, Lara. This video should answer most of your questions and has most of the “ins and outs” of using 1% oral copper sulfate solution. If you have any other questions, please let us know. 👍🏻
th-cam.com/video/6FCBYB0x50w/w-d-xo.html
@@LinessaFarms thank you
Great video, would this also be effective on coccidia?
Thanks for the great question. I have looked this up in the past and have not been able to find any supportive information about its use for this or any evidence it would work. Organic poultry operations will use copper sulfate to treat necrotic enteritis but that is it’s only use I am aware of. Amprolium is still more than likely your best treatment for coccidiosis in your birds. The coccidiosis vaccine is effective if this is an option for you.
Corid for cocc, copper sulfate does well for samonela
@LinessaFarms I’ve got a 6 year old Boer nanny that has had a terrible time with worms. We about lost her recently but we dosed her good with Safeguard, Red Cell and Vitamin B. We tried to give her 2 of the kids boluses (we couldn’t find the adult ones). We put it in a banana and had another one ready so she would hurry and eat the medicated one. But it didn’t work. She ended up chewing them. I finally got a bolus gun. My question is should we try to give her another dose? She’s not putting in weight but she eats really good.
Thank you for your videos! I really enjoy them and learn a lot.
Susan, it sounds like we are talking about copper oxide wire bolus. So, not the same thing we would use for worming which is the copper sulfate 1% solution which is diluted in water.
Thank you for you response.
Hi Tim! Can this be used for bred (not sure if settled yet) does?
Yes
What do you use to drench the 100ml per goat?My drenching gun is only 20ml, which has worked well in the past with other wormers to treat several goats with one fill but would require 5 refills per goat with the 100ml dosage.
Hello, Mylisa. Thanks for the question and thanks for watching our videos. Here is a link to a more user friendly oral drench.
www.premier1supplies.com/p/manual-drenching-syringes?criteria=Drench
Great video! How will the ratio change if I'm making it for goats? More copper sulphate?
Hello, Abdul and thanks for watching our videos. This is a great question. As you may know, goats usually require more worming medication than sheep. The good news is, in this case, the copper sulfate dose is sufficient for sheep and goats. No need to change the formula! Hope this helps. If you need anything else, just let us know.
@@LinessaFarms goat grazing on Upper portion of fodder. Then why goat need more deworming than Sheep ( land grazing)??
I appreciate the video. Couple of questions:
First, for those that don't have a scale, do you have a dry volume measurement for copper sulfate (i.e. tsp)?
Second, have you (or anyone that you know of) experimented with a higher concentration solution (so that you don't have to drench 100 ml)? I realize that the UK study used this solution, but I just wondering if such a low concentration/high dosage is necessary.
Thanks for all the good info.!
Hello, Lonnie. Thank you for watching our videos and thank you for the great questions. These are questions I have personally asked as well. Unfortunately, the scale is a must. You should be able to pick up a cheap scale on amazon or at your local big box store for a reasonable price. There is too much variation in the granule size of copper sulfate and too much air space between granules to provide an accurate dosage with dry volume measurement. This is the "correct answer" with this being said, I am sure you would be close enough with dry volume measurement so long as you are making small batches of wormer. As with most measurement issues such as this, the larger the batch the more you will be off if not using weight based measurements. In the end, you're better off buying the scale.
The high volume dosage was one of the first questions I asked when speaking to individuals on various universities running these studies. Honestly, they don't know why the larger volume works better. Results are statistically significant to show the higher volume works better. The assumption is the higher volume provides more surface area contact in the rumen and intestines and a longer "dwell time" before it is absorbed. Basically, higher volume takes up more space and takes longer for the body to absorb. The thought process is, the higher volume comes into contact with the parasites for a longer period of time.
Hopefully this helps! Thanks again for watching our videos and for the questions.
Tim
@@LinessaFarms Great answer! Thanks for taking the time.
Go buy a scale 20 bucks
I'm curious why it has to be distilled water. Do you know why? :) Awesome video btw, this is great, great information. Will the parasites become resistant to this solution if given too often?
Hello! Thanks for watching our video and for the great questions. We are always concerned about chemicals and solutions in water potentially interacting with the copper sulfate. Case in point, high iron content in water can potentially deactivate the entire solution. Iron will actually displace the copper ions causing the solution to develop a greenish coloration and you will see a brown/copper colored material develop on the bottom of the bottle (the copper basically falling out of the solution). If you would like to see this reaction, pour a little copper sulfate solution into a cup and add a nail to the cup. You will see the solution turn green after a few minutes and the copper become displaced from the solution and cling to the nail.
We do not advise using the copper sulfate solution more often than 3 months to prevent any potential copper toxicity, specifically to sheep (however it has been used as often as every month without documented issues). Barbers pole worm will NOT develop resistance to copper sulfate solution, as shown through research conducted by the University of Kentucky. The worms simply cannot survive exposure to the solution and resistance is not an issue.
@@LinessaFarms Thank you for the amazing detailed response! Does this wormer only work with some worms, like the barber pole? I remember you mentioning in a previous video that you treat your sheep with chemical wormers, so I was wondering if you're using both this solution and a chemical wormer?
It works great for barbers pole worm. It will not work for tape worms, liver flukes, nasal bots, keds, lice.... etc. With that being said, barbers pole worm is the most common parasite you’ll deal with.
I currently do not have sheep or goats but was wondering How long do you have to wait after worming to cull out the animal?
Hello, Itchy. Thanks for watching our channel and thank you for taking the time to leave us a question. Most chemical wormers have withdrawal times depending on the medication. This can be very short (7 days) or very long (2 months). Most bottles will list the amount of time needed between treatment and slaughter. Copper sulfate does not have a withdrawal time. Hope this helps.
Is this a safe wormer for milking does and is there a discard time after dosing before human consumption of the milk? Is acidified copper sulfate ok to use or is that a different product? I’ve got that one on my self already. Thanks
"Acified copper sulfate" usually refers to a mixture of copper sulfate and an acid, often used as a fungicide and algaecide. It's different from regular copper sulfate, which is just the compound without the added acid. The acidity in "acified copper sulfate" helps enhance its effectiveness and targeting of certain organisms.
You will need to use copper sulfate penhydrate or you will seriously mess up their gut. You can order enough to make the solution through us or you can buy through another means like Amazon. You can find us at www.linessafarms.com if you are interested. There is no withdrawal time since it is not readily absorbed into the system.
Hello I was wondering if this copper sulfate will kill other types of worms than just barber pole thanks Gary
It is effective against most GI worms with the exception of tape worms. For tape worms you would need to use a white wormer such as safeguard or valbazen.
Thank you so much for making this video, I can't tell you how glad I am. I recently lost two lambs to Barber's Pole worm due to being resistant to the drench I administered. I live in Australia and can't find the particular brand of copper sulphate you're using, are they much the same quality across all brands?
Hello Jo! Thank you for watching our videos and thank you for your question. Any brand of copper sulfate should work so long as it is pure. You will not experience any resistance with copper sulfate so feel free to use it as your primary wormer as needed. With that being said, please note it will not be effective agains lice, bots, flukes, tape worms, etc... the copper sulfate mix is specific to gastrointestinal worms other than tape worms. 👍🏻
If you need anything else or have any other questions, please let us know.
Im in Australia also. Its a really interesting video. I read the thesis paper and note however that this method will only control Barbers Pole worm. It wont control worms common in winter rainfall areas (ie southern Australia) such as brown stomach worm or black scour worm which are the major problem worms in these areas.
Hi Tim! The copper sulphate powder that we have came from a professional nursery (originally purchased for plants). It's light green, and the label says "copper tri-sulphate .53%". Can we use this on our sheep, and will the formula change from the one in the video? We currently have a Romanov who is losing weight for no reason that I can figure - seller said she had dewormed them all, but we already lost one of the Romanovs even after shearing and treating for lice (they were BAD!!!). The current Romanov in question also had lice, but now I can't find a single one on her, not since like a month ago - probably because we keep them outdoors and we've had nothing but rain and stupidly high temperatures? She did actually allow me to check inside her eyelids today, and they are pink, but not the pink we'd like to see.
On another note: could you please do a comprehensive video on toxic flora? This is something that I had NEVER considered, just assumed that animals - from their wild ancestry- would automatically know what and what not to eat. I also didn't think that tasty plants that equal instant death would abound, either, until I found the prettiest pink flower and looked it up in one of my books: lambkill!!! I've suffered a great deal of losses with very expensive sheep as a newbie (the internet only tells you so much!) and it's possible that toxic plants may have played a hand. In my most recent enclosure, I did look up toxic plants for sheep, and discovered that one of the fern species we have here (we are currently running our sheep through woodland, as that is what we bought for land - pigs go behind them) is poisonous, so I've been removing that particular fern while also keeping an eye out for the lambkill.
The problem with all these articles on the internet is that they are not fully comprehensive: many articles only list a few plants, and none have detailed enough photos etc for accurate identification of said plants. Like, I had to have a friend come in and figure out which of the ferns in our woodland were safe vs toxic, because the article i read that mentioned this one fern provided no details! Even if it turns out to be a 2-hour video where I'm taking notes, I'll watch it and share it!
So this this would work on my Dorper/Barbados sheep??
Yes. Assuming you mix it as we have instructed and administer it as we have instructed, you will be fine and it will work well. We always have to say this because we have had people choose not to administer it properly. We recently had someone feed copper sulfate crystals directly to their sheep and then didn’t know why the sheep got sick. 🥴
Hi Tim. Can I mix copper with the grain ? its very difficult to treat 600 ewes with a drench every 20 days.
Unfortunately, no.
Thank you Tim for making this information available. Would you advise a fecal sample first? Our lambs are about 5 months now and our 2 pure Dorpers are shedding tapeworms. They started a week after we got them but we were informed that they’d been dewormed with a horse dewormer (apparently they were immune to all other dewormers! Should have been a flag for us right there.) They still shed the odd worm but now their fomasha is very low (almost white) and they’ve lost weight. If they are immune to all other wormers perhaps we should get fecal and start copper sulphate asap. What are your thoughts?
Hello, Heidi. You need to get fecals done as soon as possible to see what is going on. I am not buying that they are immune to wormers. I think your seller might have misspoke. If they are white and have a lot of parasites, copper sulfate might be too strong for them. You will also need to see what’s going on because there are very specific wormers that work on tape worms and copper sulfate does not treat them. Get the fecals and talk to your vet. Keep us posted on your progress. 👍🏻
@@LinessaFarms again thanks!
We got results back for the fecal and it’s pretty rough. He has barberpole 4000 eggs per gram gins (whatever that means) plus tape worm but no coccidiosis. They are prescribing Valvazan for the tape and Flukifer for barberpole. I’m assuming at this point copper sulphate isn’t the route to go?
My husband Remer is the one who ordered from you the other day. We’re thinking to use the copper sulphate for the other sheep as they are also in contact with barberpole now… Your thoughts are much appreciated!!
@@spoolsandbobbins I read your comments and I am so curious what the answer on your last question was? Did you use the copper sulphate? And how are the sheeps doing?
Just seeing this now. We used the 2 dewormers I mentioned above but 1 month later they were still shedding tape worms. I figured dewormers didn’t work so we drenched with copper sulphate at that time (1 month later) because we figured barber pole was the worse culprit (maybe should have taken fecal in first to see if they still had barberpole?). 2 months later they were still shedding tape so we gave them a garlic/molasses drench. We took another fecal in and they were clear. We’re still figuring things out but we’re not convinced the chemical dewormers work. Every case is so unique. Hope this helps.
Thanks for your video, I have a couple of ewes with 3 week old lambs, can I give the ewes the solution and do I also give a dose to the lambs? Or will it pass through to the lamb from the ewes milk?
(I gave all My sheep this solution 3 months ago)
You can go ahead and worm your ewes now. We have a video that tells you how to get the lambs started on this solution here:
th-cam.com/video/6FCBYB0x50w/w-d-xo.html
@@LinessaFarms thank you so much. :-)
Does this help treat all worms? My goats currently have baberpole and tape.
Copper sulfate is not effective against tape worms, liver flukes, or nasal bots. You will need to use a “white wormer” such as Valbazen or Safeguard for the tape worms.
What’s a good method to measure out the water? Largest measure I have is 500 ml. That ok or something easier that you have found?
If you can purchase a pre measured amount of water from the store, that helps. It’s 10 grams per liter. Most stores will sell 1 liter containers or 3 liter containers.
If you wanted to use your 500ml beaker, you can simply fill it up to 250ml, stir in 5 grams of copper sulfate, and then continue to fill until you reach 500ml. I actually try not to mix up any more than I need for a single use.
If you were to just use the 500ml beaker multiple times to reach your desired amount, you should be reasonably close as well. Just take your time and measure as best you can. Since this system is using the metric system of measurement, you could also just weigh the water prior to mixing as well. 1000ml of water (1 liter) weights approximately 1000 grams.
I’m not good at math at could you tell me what the amount to mix is for 2 large Nubians and 4 half grown Nubians? If I mix too much does it store well or should I dump the excess? Thank you for so many excellent info videos.
You can just mix as you go if that’s easier for you. 10 grams of copper sulfate per liter of water. For the numbers you have, I would just mix 1 liter at a time. You can keep it in a sealed container in the fridge and shake well before every use. It will last up to a year.
@@LinessaFarms Whoa back there!
Above in an answer you said 30 grams per liter of water, here you say 10 grams and in this video you said 28.4 grams to 2850 ml.
Three different measurements!
Which one is correct?
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Can this solution be used in horses?Also can it simply be mixed with the drinking water, since it's inexpensive and organic?
Hello. We don’t have any good information to give you regarding horses. When using this solution for sheep and goats it must be mixed in the specific concentration as directed on our video (which comes from the University of Kentucky Study). Adding copper sulfate to drinking water would alter the concentration and eliminate your ability to control the dose. Please remember, just because it’s organic doesn’t mean it’s safe at any dose. Thanks for the questions and thanks for watching our videos. 👍🏻
Hi found your channel and its very interessting. We've been using this mixture every month and its working. We do this in their drinking water for 3 days only on a monthly basis. Is 100ml not too much? Our drenchers are marked in 10ml, so it means 10 of them per ewe or ram?
Hello, Lorraine. The mixture and drench amount is what the amount that has been determined to be effective and safe. We are wanting a 1% copper sulfate solution (10grams of copper sulfate in 1 liter of water). I cannot verify or guarantee the safety of altering this. There are 100ml drenches available. You can find them here: www.premier1supplies.com/p/manual-drenching-syringes?criteria=Oral+drench
Hi Lorraine, can I ask you how much of this solution you do in their drinking water and how can you tell that it works? It would be way more easy to that instead of using the drench for me
@@mijnlevenoppootjes3710 Hi we do a tablespoon (15ml) on 10l water solution for 3 days. After 3 days we clean the drinking buckets and fill with clean water. This process is repeated every 30 days (month). In winter we dont really do it but you can if you want to. Just make sure they don't get any other copper supplement when trying this. I just throw a little copper sulphate in the water so that it will colour the water to a light blue. It still works
@@lorrainepelser6549 thank you very much! This really helps ;-)
Does this solution have a shelf life? I mixed some up last year. Should I discard or do you think its safe to use?
I think it does. If you want to mix smaller batches, you can do 10g of copper sulfate per liter or 5g per half liter. We have started mixing up only what we will use at the time. We also like to keep the solution in the fridge. Just make sure the kids don’t think it’s koolaide. 😬
Is well water okay in place of distilled water? Thanks!
Yes. Well water is fine.
Hi Tim
I gave this solutions to all my goats but one of the goat having fome coming out of his mouth, it looks like he might die can i do anything to save him.
The animal may have aspirated getting the drench. That is to say, it may have went into the lungs instead of swallowing the solution. This is a danger with any oral drench. If this is the case, the animal may have serious and or life threatening issues. There isn’t a lot you can do about this other than monitoring the animal. If the animal does end up making it, you will need to watch for a respiratory infection and treat as needed. Sorry to hear this happened. I have never actually seen this in person but every once in a while, we hear about it.
Hi Tim! The copper sulphate powder that we have came from a professional nursery (originally purchased for plants). It's light green, and the label says "copper tri-sulphate .53%". Can we use this on our sheep, and will the formula change from the one in the video? We currently have a Romanov who is losing weight for no reason that I can figure - seller said she had dewormed them all, but we already lost one of the Romanovs even after shearing and treating for lice (they were BAD!!!). The current Romanov in question also had lice, but now I can't find a single one on her, not since like a month ago - probably because we keep them outdoors and we've had nothing but rain and stupidly high temperatures? She did actually allow me to check inside her eyelids today, and they are pink, but not the pink we'd like to see.
On another note: could you please do a comprehensive video on toxic flora? This is something that I had NEVER considered, just assumed that animals - from their wild ancestry- would automatically know what and what not to eat. I also didn't think that tasty plants that equal instant death would abound, either, until I found the prettiest pink flower and looked it up in one of my books: lambkill!!! I've suffered a great deal of losses with very expensive sheep as a newbie (the internet only tells you so much!) and it's possible that toxic plants may have played a hand. In my most recent enclosure, I did look up toxic plants for sheep, and discovered that one of the fern species we have here (we are currently running our sheep through woodland, as that is what we bought for land - pigs go behind them) is poisonous, so I've been removing that particular fern while also keeping an eye out for the lambkill.
The problem with all these articles on the internet is that they are not fully comprehensive: many articles only list a few plants, and none have detailed enough photos etc for accurate identification of said plants. Like, I had to have a friend come in and figure out which of the ferns in our woodland were safe vs toxic, because the article i read that mentioned this one fern provided no details! Even if it turns out to be a 2-hour video where I'm taking notes, I'll watch it and share it!
We will see what we can do for you. Articles online can indeed be a mess. The copper sulfate you will need is 99.5% or higher copper sulfate pentahydrate. 30g per 1 liter of water to get the 1% solution.
@@LinessaFarms Thank you so much, and I really wish I had found your channel when I first got into sheep! I've learned more from just a handful of your videos than I learned from hours upon hours of preliminary and then subsequent researches! As much as it's cost me in hard lessons learned, I really love my sheep and I want more 😁
Funny story: my mom finally came out to visit the other day (we only moved and started building our homestead just over two years ago) and Goldie, my Icelandic ewe, came to the fence for attentions... Mom: "oh dear, why do you have horns?" Me: "mom, she's an Icelandic, she's SUPPOSED to have horns! Don't worry, she's very friendly!" Then, mom petting her over the fence: "she's SO SOFT!!!" *Mom practically melting into the earth feeling her softness* 🤣🤣🤣
Sheep are just the most darling of all the farm animals that we've experienced! Shame that the learning curve with them is so steep :( But, I'm sure it will be worth it in the end!
Thanks again for all your hard work making these videos for us, and I really appreciate that you take the time to read and respond to our comments, that means A LOT!!!
Is that the same copper sulfate sold for swimming pool use??
I have no idea. We get our copper sulfate from a lab. 99.09% copper sulfate pentahydrate. I would be extremely cautious unless the product has a label and comes from a lab or reputable source.
I give copper bolus to my goats, if I do this copper sulfate solution should I not do the copper bolus as well? Thank you so much for this video!
Hello, Melissa and thanks for watching our videos. The copper bolus you give helps to meet the dietary copper needs of the goat. The copper sulfate 1% oral drench is not absorbed by the body and will not provide any copper to meet dietary needs. If you choose to use the 1% copper sulfate oral drench for worming, you will still need to provide dietary copper through your feed, mineral, or bolus.
@@LinessaFarms ok! Thank you for your good information! Greatful for your videos!
I have a big question mark in my head right now.... From everything I have read and heard, the copper oxide particles help with barber poles ONLY.... by cutting them into pieces within the rumen of the animal...... not from the copper.... so how does this work? If the copper bolus doesn't work by the actual copper supplement... but only by the cutting.... how does the liquid affect the parasites... and does it work for all parasites, or just barber poles?
Hello and thanks for the question. Our copper worming solution is made with copper sulfate. The bolus you see that people give to goats is copper oxide. Copper does a great job at killing lots of things we don’t like such as bacteria, viruses, and yeast. Copper is even the active ingredient in most intra-uterine devices used by women all over the world. Copper “works” in most cases by changing or manipulating electron charges. Copper does damage cells but not in a physical way like scratching or breaking in the way we would think…. It’s more on a microscopic level. I have no doubt that you have heard and read the copper oxide rods in a bolus physically cut worms to pieces but unfortunately this is completely incorrect. If you check out the description in our TH-cam video, there is a link to the study regarding copper sulfate wormer at the University of Kentucky. It is long but has some really good information about the history of copper sulfate wormers and the studies and results they found when performing the tests using this wormer over a 2 year period.
Copper sulfate wormer, like many wormers such as cydectin, ivermectin, Dectomax, and others will not kill tape worms. You will need to use a “white wormer” like Valbazen or Panacur in order to do that. There are natural options to killing tape worms such as using nicotine derivatives but they are dangerous and not advised.
We are glad you are asking questions and seeking answers instead of just taking people’s word for what works and what doesn’t. We see this a lot and unfortunately people have a lot of problems finding good information. We work very hard to ensure the information we give people is accurate and backed up by veterinary science. Think of us more as people relaying good information instead of people coming up with our own ideas and giving you our opinion. Hopefully this helps!
I apologize if this has been asked. Do the worms build a tolerance to this type of wormer?
No problem and great question. Evidence says no. The method of killing the worms is physiological interaction between copper ions and the worm in a way there is no resistance. We see this unique interaction between copper and other medical devices also used in humans. Many IUD (intra-uterine devices) used as birth control in humans contain copper which kills sperm. Although it’s not completely understood, copper and worms, bacteria, etc don’t get along well.
Thank you for the response! I’m Arlan Russell from Oklahoma. I raise about 50 head of goats and your videos have been very helpful. I like how you put the science behind it. Keep up the good work sir!
Will this solution kill tape worms and liver flukes?
Hello and thanks for watching our videos. This will not kill tape worms and is mainly effective against GI worms other than tape worms. Most commercial wormers are not effective against tape worms but the good news is, tape worms aren’t usually an issue in adult sheep and goats due to resistance. If you would like to worm for tape worms, we would advise a white wormer such as valbazen or panacur. Do not use valbazen on pregnant sheep or goats. For liver flukes, if this is an issue for you, we would advise the additional use of Dectomax from time to time. If you want to see how we worm, check out this video: th-cam.com/video/6FCBYB0x50w/w-d-xo.html
Copper sulfate pentahydrate is now what your amazon link goes to. Is that ok for sheep’s to eat?
Well…. It’s not ok for them to eat but that’s what you would use to make the copper sulfate wormer. I assume that’s what you meant.
Linessa Farms, LLC yah. found out in very low doses it is used pentahydrate in supplements but that it is v corrosive caz cu is a positive charged ion.
PLEASE, FOR HOW LONG CAN YOU KEEP IT AFTER YOU MIX IT?
Indefinitely as long as you don’t expose it to the sun or let it evaporate. Don’t let it settle either.
Can I just up the concentration times 5 so I can administer a full dose to one head with one full 20ml syringe?
No. This is not effective and this is the number one reason why people get sick animals from using copper sulfate. This would do 2 things: significantly upset their stomach and not worm as well.
@@LinessaFarms Awesome thank you for the response! My experience last week with administering 100ml was TERRIBLE. Forcing 100ml down the throat of a sheep was not fun for either of us.
I now have a new idea. The dosage size of Fenbendazole is extremely low and I believe I could probably drench a piece of bread and hand it right to the sheep as a treat and done. Is this also a bad idea?
Hello my friend Thanks for the video
I have a question about, for how long can I use this worming solution, for how long it takes to expire. Thanks again.
Greetings to you, Farid and thank you for watching our videos. You can use this wormer as often as every 3 months. This wormer works well for the barber’s pole worm but it should be noted it will not work for tape worms. Worms will not develop resistance to this solution over time as they might with chemical wormers like ivermectin. Every time you use this wormer, make sure to shake it well. Keep this solution at room temperature and protect it from excessive heat or freezing. The solution should maintain its blue color. If the solution should change color (to brown or green) it is no good anymore. If stored correctly, this solution will last indefinitely. Thank you for the question and have a great day.
Can it be given to pregnant goats and 50 ml for all age babies like 10 kg to 40 kg
We have given this to pregnant sheep and goats with no issues. We have given this to lambs and goat kids at about 8 weeks of age as well.
Whoa back there!
Below in an answer you said 30 grams per liter of water and later in another answer you say 10 grams per liter and in this video you said 28.4 grams to 2850 ml.
Three vastly different measurements!
Which one is correct?
10 grams per liter. 30 grams per 3 liter bottle you can get at Walmart. 28.4g per 2850ml is extremely close to 10g per liter, but if you want to be exact… that’s 28.4 grams in every 2.85 liters of water.
Can I use acidified copper sulfate? It's 90% copper sulfate and 10% citric acid
No.
if I dewarm my goats with this will I still need to give them copper pill ?
Hello, Richard. Yes sir. This is not readily absorbed into the system when given as a 1% oral drench which we describe here. This is great news for sheep producers who need to avoid copper. For goat producers, you will still need to provide supplemental copper. Great question. Thank you for watching our videos. 😬
Hi! I just used this today to worm my 9 Katahdin lambs, just weaned this week (born between March 24-April24). Some of them look like they don’t feel so well. Is that normal?
Did you worm them before hand with chemical wormers?
I did not. All of them look fine now except for one, who still seems a bit off.
Hey Tim, Thank you for the Videos. Lets call this Dosing for dummies, because I wanna make sure. 100 ml? Am I hearing that right. Thats 3.3 fluid OZ.. Please confirm that dosage.
Hi, Jerry. Yes. 100ml of the 1% copper sulfate solution. It’s a lot. Premier 1 sells a large drenching gun if you want to do it all in one drench. I personally think it’s a bit too much and like to give 3 drenches of 33 ml. If you go a little over, they will be ok. 👍🏻
Also, after the copper sulfate solution, should I give probiotics?
@@jerrylowdermilk5053 the copper sulfate should not interfere with the microbiome in any way.
Same dosage for mini goats?
Hello Abby! Thanks for the question and thanks for watching our videos. Yes, you can go ahead and give the same dosage for Nigerians and Pygmies. The dosage is pretty forgiving and research shows it is safe. We dose our Nigerian dwarf goats the same as our boer goats with no complications.
Does this treat barbers pole?
Hello and thanks for watching our videos. Yes. This specifically targets the barbers pole worm. The other great thing about the copper sulfate is, they do not develop resistance to this medication like they do with other drugs such as ivermectin. If you have any other questions, don’t hesitate to ask. Also, make sure to check out some of our other videos.
I have multiple goats right at 60 pounds. Should I give them 50 or 100 ml of the solution? Thanks
I would probably do 50 until they are at 75% of their mature body weight (expected).
Great! Thanks!
Do you just give this to goats when you need to? Or do you just give this to them all of the time? (every 3 months)? Goats wouldn't become 'immune' to this treatment like they do with other dewormers, right? (I've learned that this happens to them with other ones.) Would this also help them if they are itchy? And how do you know if your goats need it? I've given them a copper bolus -- I know when they need that, I can tell. Way too many questions. Obviously, you don't have to answer - just thought I'd ask lol
We generally will only give this when and if we start to notice a change in their eyelid color. So, even a slight change from dark red to lighter, and we will use the copper sulfate 1% solution. This generally allows us to significantly extend our chemical worming time frame. This will only work for a very small amount of GI worms such as round worms and barbers pole worms. This is not effective against tape worms, nasal bots, liver flukes, lice, or mange. Any kind of worming can develop resistance, although copper sulfate is SIGNIFICANTLY less risk. Copper sulfate doesn't directly kill worms; instead, it disrupts their metabolic processes and enzyme systems. When copper ions are ingested by the worms, they interfere with their cellular functions and enzyme activities. This disruption affects the worm's ability to regulate essential processes, leading to physiological stress and eventual death. Additionally, copper ions can damage the membranes of cells, further contributing to the worm's demise. The mechanism of action makes it less likely for parasites to develop resistance compared to chemical wormers that target specific biological pathways.
You should not consider the 1% copper sulfate solution as a form of nutritional copper. Very little, if any is absorbed by the animal. We know this through multiple studies by universities. This is actually a good thing for our sheep producing friends, since sheep cannot tolerate supplemental copper (in most cases). The identifiers you are used to seeing in regard to copper deficiency are not going to resolve with the 1% solution. You would need to give copper in the feed, a copper injection, or the copper bolus you currently use. Hope this helps.
@@LinessaFarms Thank you! This is perfect.
I really appreciate this.
100ml is alot. How do you administer that? Refill your drench gun 3 times per animal?
There are multiple drench guns that handle up to 200ml. Some people refill. Some people try to doctor the formulation and kill their animals too… unfortunately. It seems that no matter how many times you tell people not to do something, they do it anyway.
You can go to premier1 and they have a descent 200ml drench. I actually have a backpack gun that auto reloads and I just have to squeeze the handle a few times.
If small doses are easier for you, just stick with the chemical wormers.
@@LinessaFarms i was unaware of that equipment, thanks. I did read all the warnings, thats why i sought your video. Have have you had any problems with interactions in combination with mineral or copper boluses?
@@Bojangles6 I honestly don’t care for the large drencher from premier; I think it leaks too much and with the solution being mostly water based, it wants to make a mess. I would try to get a pistol grip 50ml drench and just do it twice. 100ml is a huge bolus anyway and it seems like it’s a little much for them in one shot. This is probably my biggest issue with the med. It works great but I sure dislike the amount it takes.
We have had zero issues with the copper sulfate wormer. We use it both with sheep and goats and have not noticed any problems with copper cross exposure with the goats from mineral or boluses. The copper sulfate solution is fairly weak and highly diluted. The idea behind it (and the required large dose) is that it washes the intestine and stomach lining and is then expelled. The fact it is so poorly absorbed is what allows us to drench sheep with it. So, it all kinda comes out in the wash. We have a video talking about getting them ready for copper sulfate worming and maintenance. You can find it by searching for “linessa farms trifecta method”. The copper sulfate works well… really really well. So, the problem you can run into is if you have an animal with a heavy parasite burden, it really nukes them. This is why we have people start off with valbazen (weak), followed by dectomax (moderate), and then copper sulfate. We basically want the animal fairly cleared before we hit them with the initial dose of copper sulfate. Once you have them on it, you can stay on it and just do maintenance doses as they need it. We have had people with severe worm burdens and this has really been a game changer. Plus, it’s cheap and you don’t have to worry about withdrawal time or resistance. 👍🏻
Check out the video and let us know if you have any other questions. We sell packs of powered pre measures to make 3 liters for around 7 bucks if you want to try it before you buy a large quantity. www.foundationfeed.com
Please can you use this on pregnant goats?
Yes. Although, you should first consider worming them with traditional wormers first. Giving copper sulfate 1% solution to an animal with a heavy worm burden can cause them to drop the worms very fast and have negative side effects. We would first advise using Dectomax. Avoid using valbazen during pregnancy.
Thanks
My scale doesn’t weigh in 28.4g. It will only weigh to the nearest whole number. So is 28g good enough? Does the 0.4g off make that much of a difference?
Hello, Melissa! You should be fine rounding to the nearest whole number. It won’t make that big of a difference.
is this the same as acidified copper sulfate?
Hello, Carla. This is 99% copper sulfate pentahydrate. Thanks for watching the video and let us know if you have any other questions.
If you just need a single packet, we sell pre-measured packets which make 3L on our feed website. www.foundation feed.com
What worms does this work for?
Hello. This works for most gastrointestinal worms, and VERY well on the dreaded barber’s pole worm. Unfortunately, it is not effective against tape worms. You would have to use a white wormer such as valbazen or panacur for that.
What about the goat that have cold
I would not use this on any sick animals. Good question.
Is this method suitable for pregnant ewes?
Hello, David. You can worm pregnant animals with copper sulfate. When it comes to worming pregnant animals we primarily want to avoid valbazen. I would advise against starting your worming with copper sulfate 1% oral drench solution and ease them into it starting with something more gentle. We have a video regarding our complete worming protocol here.
th-cam.com/video/6FCBYB0x50w/w-d-xo.html
Interesting Amazon will not ship this item to my location in Michigan
It’s getting harder and harder to get things. If you go to foundationfeed.com you can order pre-measured copper sulfate from us that can simply be added to 3L of water. Let me know if you have any problems. Mention this and I will send you an extra packet for free. Thanks, Tim
Apparently that may happen for certain bulk sizes of the product like 10 lbs. Smaller sizes are shipped usually.
@@carolineboenig8069 thanks for helping with your response. We appreciate it. 👍🏻
I am on the fence leaning towards giving my sheep copper sulfate for worming my sheep but they are so many people out their that’s says it will kill them. U just don’t see many ppl using it.
You don’t have to use it. Years ago, that’s all anyone used prior to the introduction of the chemical wormers. I have included the university study in the video description. Feel free to read it anytime. If someone tells you it will kill your animals, ask them why and how. If someone is going to give you advise, they should at least be able to explain themselves. Now, if someone says “copper kills sheep” this is a little more tolerable. Certain types of copper in certain situations does kill sheep. For instance, I would never feed sheep rations with copper such as goat feed. I would never give a sheep a copper bolus, etc…. Worming sheep with copper sulfate, mixed correctly, and following the correct guidance works just fine and is perfectly safe. Someone recently posted that they fed their sheep copper sulfate and it killed the sheep. I don’t know what to say to that. We are talking about giving a large oral drench to a sheep of copper sulfate dissolved in water…. This person fed the sheep pure copper sulfate. 🥴
Like many medications, if you take it wrong, it can kill you. My advise would be for you to talk to someone who actually has wormed with copper sulfate and read the university studies.
University of Kentucky and Kansas have been using it for 30 plus years
When can I worm my pregnant ewes with this method?
Hello and thanks for watching our videos. The copper sulfate wormer is extremely powerful and works best to maintain a healthy worm load. We do not advise this for animals with a current worm load that is problematic. If your ewes are healthy now and have good color to their eyelids, you can start worming with the copper sulfate anytime. For safety sake, I would consider waiting until after delivery and using our trifecta method. You can see this video here.
th-cam.com/video/6FCBYB0x50w/w-d-xo.html
Thanks!
@@LinessaFarms Thank you for the quick response! Would this same advice go to garlic wormer as well? We have a few ewes that are looking pretty skinny.
@@jdean6608 yes. I’m not a huge fan of garlic wormer. So, the deal is this… garlic does work but it’s darn near impossible to get an exact dose down them and garlic is a very strong anticoagulant/blood thinner. So, I’m not telling anyone it doesn’t work, I’m just saying it’s not user friendly. At this point with pregnant ewes, I would personally advise injectable Dectomax. If you choose to switch to copper sulfate in the future, I would avoid the garlic all together as there will be no need for it and it will only cause side effects.
Dectomax is a safe option for you at this time. I would use 1cc injected intramuscularly for 0-100 pounds and 2cc for 100-200 pounds.
What % of worms does this kill?
Hello, Samuel. Any gastrointestinal worm that comes into contact with copper sulfate will die. A notable exception are tape worms which are not affected by copper sulfate. For the problem worms like barber’s pole worm it is EXTREMELY effective. Another added bonus is their is no resistance.
Is anyone in the comments going to post their results?
We would also appreciate results from people. Unfortunately we get few comments on results from people even on products they purchase from us over and over again. Hopefully someone responds to you. We understand having the person making the video tell you it works isn’t exactly the most reassuring.
It did work when mixed and administered exactly as Tim states in his directions.
My bucks looked amazing within days of dosing them.
I come back here and watch the video from time to time and read thru the comments to make sure I'm doing it right.
Came back today to see about pregnant does and copper boluses, both are answered in the comments. Thanks Tim!
Can u worm pregnant does with this?
Thanks for watching our videos. Yes, you can worm pregnant does with this. As a side note, never worm pregnant does with white wormers such as Valbazen as it can cause birth defects and abortion.
Gotcha keep making videos
@@LinessaFarms Good Day Linessa Farm. can I give this to a baby goat that is about 12 to 15 lb and how much? I have a baby goat that is 5 months but she is very small her weight is about 12 to 15 pounds .she is not sick or anything she is a happy little 🐐 but I just concerned about her growth rate.
@@cicelyjoseph1936 hello. I would drop the dose to 25ml. I would also consider getting a fecal sample on her if possible. Sometimes when we see poor growth, the culprit is coccidia.
@@LinessaFarms thanks for the speedy reply much appreciated.
Why don’t you say the dilution is 10g per litre ?
Its equal to
28.4 g per 2,850 ml of water
At the time I made the video, we were the only TH-cam channel that had directions on making this. There was a lot of buzz from some vets that people were going to mess it up, kill animals, and we would be sued (the American way). I was advised to give the directions in the EXACT proportions listed in a University Study. This way, technically speaking, I am just relaying information and not giving veterinary advise on how to medicate an animal. I understand your frustration. Now that we see this has aged well, I feel I need to make a new video. As you stated, it really is as simple as 10g per liter. We actually sell 30g packets online and just tell people to dump that into 3 liters. So…. Yeah. I’m with you and I understand.
Our videos have improved significantly since this was produced as well. We now have microphones, better editing, etc. It’s time to remake this video. 😬
Thanks for taking the time to write a response and we hope you and your family have a great 2023.
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Thank you
Hi Tim! Can this be used for bred (not sure if settled yet) does?
Yes. We have used this on open and pregnant ewes and does with no problems for about 5 years now. Thanks!