THE FATHER AND SON RELATIONSHIP - INGO SORKE, PhD
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- INGO SORKE DEMONSTRATES THE FATHER AND SON RELATIONSHIP FROM THE BIBLE AND THE WRITINGS OF ELLEN WHITE. HE ALSO SHARES HIS OWN STRUGGLES WITH TRINITARIAN SEVENTH DAY ADVENTISTS OVER THE UNDENIABLE EVIDENCE IN INSPIRATION.
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Thank you for posting this excellent sermon despite the problems with the sound. Tho difficult to hear, I hung on every word and am so glad I persevered. I was deeply blessed. All praise to Jesus Christ, the literal Son of the infinite God, to the honor and glory of the literal Father. HalleluYah Amen 🙏 🙌 👏 ❤️ ✨️
Amen 🙏🏼
Well articulated beloved brother Elder Ingo Sorke, Praises and Glory unto our heavenly Abba Father the One True and Living God and His literal only begotten Son Jesus Christ our Lord and savior. Thanks so much for sharing. Sabbath blessings.
The nature of the Holy Spirit is a mystery. Men cannot explain it, because the Lord has not revealed it to them. Men having fanciful views may bring together passages of Scripture and put a human construction on them, but the acceptance of these views will not strengthen the church. Regarding such mysteries, which are too deep for human understanding, silence is golden. AA 52.1
You can’t tell us the nature, no one can, nor is anyone here telling us what it is, but you had better know WHO it is… discern the spirits.
The nature of the Holy Spirit is a mystery not clearly revealed, and you will never be able to explain it to others because the Lord has not revealed it to you. You may gather together scriptures and put your construction upon them, but the application is not correct. The expositions by which you sustain your position are not sound. You may lead some to accept your explanations, but you do them no good, nor are they, through accepting your views, enabled to do others good.
It is not essential for you to know and be able to define just what the Holy Spirit is. Christ tells us that the Holy Spirit is the Comforter, and the Comforter is the Holy Ghost, “the Spirit of truth, which the Father shall send in My name.” “I will pray the Father, and He shall give you another Comforter, that He may abide with you for ever; even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth Him not, neither knoweth Him: but ye know Him, for He dwelleth with you, and shall be in you” [John 14:16, 17]. This refers to the omnipresence of the Spirit of Christ, called the Comforter. Again Jesus says, “I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now. Howbeit when He, the Spirit of truth is come, He will guide you into all truth” [John 16:12, 13]. . 14MR 179.1-14MR 179.2
It is not essential for us to be able to define just what the Holy Spirit is. Christ tells us that the Spirit is the Comforter, "the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father." It is plainly declared regarding the Holy Spirit that, in His work of guiding men into all truth, "He shall not speak of Himself." John 15:26; 16:13.
I was disfellowshipped from a church in Michigan simply for believing that Jesus was the literal son of God. You can’t make this stuff up!!!
Dear brother Ingo, thank you for exposing what the Gospel of Mark teaches about the sonship of Christ. But I could hardly follow because of the bad acoustics...
Thank you for watching the video. I’m sorry for the bad experience. The next videos will have good audio. There was a minor mistake the first night that left us with a recording of ambient audio only, it was cleaned up some. It was a hard decision whether to let go of a good message with poor audio, but the message was too good to let go. Hope you will watch the next videos, which will have much better audio.
A question to ponder! If we were to believe the Trinity to be true, who would be the father of Jesus Christ, is it " God the holy spirit or God the father considering that it was the spirit of the highest that came upon Mary????
Amen.,.,,. 🙏🙏
Have you ever seen the reaction, when a pregnant woman has given birth to a baby, and how the baby and the mother react when both their eyes see each other for the first time? It is the same reaction, when Eve was taken out of Adam’s flesh (Adam was amazed and pleased at God's new creation who was like him, yet different in exciting ways, being flesh of his flesh), and this is how the God Most High reacted when He birth Jesus, the Word in the very beginning of time.
A father-son (or father-daughter) relationship is well established in the Bible, as well as in any family life, whereby the son comes from his father, giving him life, as Jesus told the Jews: "Just as the living Father sent me and I live because of the Father, so also the one who feeds on me will live because of me."(John 6:57)
At Luke 3, it gives the lineage from Joseph all the way back to the first man Adam, saying at verse 38: "son of Eʹnosh, son of Seth, son of Adam, son of God", and in which God, whose name is Jehovah (see Isa 12:2; 26:4, KJV), has NO father, but is accurately described at Psalms 36:9 as "the source of life", at Psalms 90:2, as "from everlasting to everlasting", having no beginning, at Isaiah 43:10, in which he says that "before me no God was formed, and after me there has been none."
Of Jesus Christ, he is rightly called Jehovah's "only-begotten Son" (John 3:16), "the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation" (Col 1:15), "the beginning of the creation by God".(Rev 3:14) The demons, who were once Jesus spirit "brothers", readily recognized Jesus as the "Son of God" (Matt 8:29), as "the Holy One of God".(Mark 1:24)
So, Jehovah is Jesus father, as 2 Corinthians 1:3 states: "Praised be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ", as Ephesians 1:3 states: "Praised be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ", as 1 Peter 1:3 states: "Praised be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ." At Mark 1:1, it says: "The beginning of the good news about Jesus Christ, the Son of God."
Thus, upon Jesus resurrection on Nisan 16, 33 C.E., in speaking with Mary Magdalene, he told her: "Stop clinging to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father. But go to my brothers and say to them, ‘I am ascending to my Father and your Father and to my God and your God."(John 20:17)
At Proverbs 8, of Jesus, it says: "Jehovah produced ("produced", Hebrew qanah, meaning "to erect, i.e. create, to procure") me as the beginning of his way, the earliest of his achievements of long ago. From ancient times I was installed, from the start, from times earlier than the earth......."
"When he established the foundations of the earth, then I was beside him as a master worker ("master worker", Hebrew amown, meaning "skilled, i.e. an architect"). I was the one he was especially fond of day by day; I rejoiced before him all the time (as a loving father with his obedient son, see Isa 50:4, 5); I rejoiced over his habitable earth, and I was especially fond of the sons of men."(Prov 8:22, 23, 30, 31)
Life is short death is sure sin is a curse Christ is the cure.
Divine Pattern Father is the source of life Son the chanel of life . Father the sun the Son the moon
@jacobsalauca...according to Gen.37..Joseph had a dream and the sheaves in the field bowed before him and he dreamed again and said the sun the moon and 11 stars bowed before him and Jacob said to Joseph shall I and your mother and brethren all bow down to you? So how can Jesus Christ be the moon?..is Jesus our mother symbolized by the moon? You lack discernment by your comment..reread scripture and thus time ask for understanding of its proper interpretation.
Preachers will confuse us according to their denominational upbringing and what church system they choose to adhere to.
SEEMS to me this issues rubs the SPIRITUALISM ones
they want some OMEGA POINT IN JESUS without scripture
church is at a DES FORD moment
The audio is horrible
I’m sorry for the bad experience. The next videos will have good audio. There was a minor mistake the first night that left us with a recording of ambient audio only, it was cleaned up some. It was a hard decision whether to let go of a good message with poor audio, but the message was too good to let go. Hope you will watch the next videos, which will have much better audio.
Excellent decision. Thank you. (The defects in the audio are minor, compared to the value of the message.)
If this ministry understood what constitutes God, that is the unity between God the father, God the son, and God the Holy Spirit, they might be entrusted with the final msg.
For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth, (as there be gods many, and Lords many,) but to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.
1 Corinthians 8:5-6 KJV
And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.
John 17:3 KJV
that the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give unto you the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of him:
Ephesians 1:17 KJV
Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD: and thou shalt love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might.
Deuteronomy 6:4-5 KJV
and speak unto him, saying, Thus speaketh the LORD of hosts, saying, Behold the man whose name is The BRANCH; and he shall grow up out of his place, and he shall build the temple of the LORD: even he shall build the temple of the LORD; and he shall bear the glory, and shall sit and rule upon his throne; and he shall be a priest upon his throne: and the counsel of peace shall be between them both.
Zechariah 6:12-13 KJV
Dear Brother,
Your statement suggests this Ministry doesn't have a correct understanding of the relationship of the Father and the Son and if they did then maybe, the Trinity might entrust them with the final message. May I ask you for what your understanding of the " Final Message" is. If you are referring to the End time message, I believe you would be challenged to refute what is presented on this TH-cam channel as the final (end time) message .
Ironically, you posit your understanding of a 3 in 1 Father, Son and Holy Ghost relationship as absolute truth and indeed correct despite having providing no supporting information.
I submit you are more than curious about this precious truth, I would go as far to say that you are like King Aggripa "almost persuaded" and you feel conflicted because choosing the true understanding of the F& S relationship creates a dichotomy for you. Which is understandable and can be resolved by allowing the Spirit of the Son to lead"
Blessings to you Brother, you are almost there.
@@Fireguy-mw1uh thanks for your note. You may have notice this ministry was unable to provide SOP quotes to support their understanding of F & S.
The end time message is contained in the 3 angels messages (3AM). While the channel contains bits and pieces of the 3AM, their man made understanding of the godhead cast a large shadow. Truth is 💯 and doesn’t exist in partial!
As for your encouragement and likening me to King Agrippa, I will say the just shall live by faith!
The Father is God, the Son is God and the Holy Spirit is God therefore 3 God's? Why not accept the fact? EGW says, " 3 great power in heaven, heavenly trio , distinct from each other. ' WHY INSIST ONLY ONE GOD.??
you have been trapped in this sinful mindset of trinity. you can now see things only through the triniterian view point. a good study of this subject will prove otherwise
Ellen White’s statement about the three great powers in Heaven doesn’t come anywhere near proving that there is one God in three persons. Like this pastor said, “where is that in the text??”
Powers….Remember, Jesus has two natures.