Is Your Gold Really Gold? How to Test Gold and Silver
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 6 ก.ย. 2024
- How do you test gold and silver to make sure it's real?
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It's a disgrace that U.S. Mint coins have no real security features.
The most important thing when buying gold is who you buy it from.
You never know if your reputable source was scammed by somebody without noticing. They could accidentally pass a quick-switch fake to you without knowing. Every single time you accept a new coin you should test it or have the dealer test it. 100% of the time you need to witness a test upon purchase.
@RedShiftedDollar reputable dealers should have a gold testor and authenticate and guarantee all their coins are real. If you buy a fake coin from them they should pay you back. That's what highly reputable dealers do. If you buy a fake on ebay good luck getting your money back.
@@RedShiftedDollardealer: we test all our coins; how do we know you didn’t swap the coin with the fake one upon reception?
@@usptactWhen do you test? Nearly all dealers test everything, but you can't test everything all the time continuously. I know of reputable dealers who do not test every piece of gold at the moment they sell it. I still consider them reputable. But the most reputable thing a dealer can do is to prove authenticity for every piece sold just like they do for every piece received. Ironically these tests of proof take reputation out of the picture which is how a dealer can build the strongest reputation.
There are lots of ways fakes can get swapped besides a sneaky customer trying a bait and switch. What if you have a bad employee? What if a burglar somehow swaps real for fake? It's possible to be burglarized without knowing, especially if all the inventory appears to be there. Even if you have a crooked employee who hasn't shown his/her unethical side, they will never be able to trick anyone if they have to test the gold at the point of sale.
The bottom line is that reputation is not a valid test of authenticity. The only way to truly know is to test.
This is the beauty of gold. It is easy to verify. This means you don't need to trust anyone but yourself and your own testing capabilities.
I would agree on that. Reputable places that are known coast to coast and for many years.
Buying a coin from apmex that came straight from the u.s. mint is much different than buying on ebay from a private person. I always buy from.a very high reputable dealer that has checked the coin or came straight from the mint.
Got a sigma pro last year from the company. I have checked everything I have. And all that I’ve purchased since. Well worth the price.
I only buy gold from my local LCS that tests it in front of me before I buy.
Yep me too.
You should test it yourself. There could be a switching after testing with a fake. The Fisch Tests and the Ping Test with an app are all you really need to do after verifying minting details.
He does it right in front of me, no switching involved. @@audiophileman7047
I have the cheapest version of the Sigma with the small wand attachment too. It cost me $900. It works well enough. I test all gold bullion which works very well. I try to test slabbed gold, which sometimes works, sometimes does not (particularly on smaller slabbed coins). But, what the heck, they are in a slab, which is the only way I buy pre-33. I just don't bother to test silver, although I have some. It is less likely to be counterfeited and if I got fooled, I am not out that much cash. Bottom line, I highly recommend that you get at least a cheap Sigma, even if it galls you to give up cash that could have been turned into gold.
I have the standard sigma with x3 wands. It works just fine for eveything, IMO the sigma pro is overkill for us stackers.
Im just drooling looking at your tray of gold coins/rounds,and the MS70 WOW 👍
The US mint needs to actually get some real security features
Agreed 🤜🤛
Amateur hour
I test all my metals although I don't always test the silver immediately. I think a Sigma is worth considering if you're a regular gold buyer. It's a pretty easy test (unlike testing specific gravity in a glass of water which is messy) and is pretty easy to take to a coin shop or a coin show
The Fisch Tests and the ping test with an app after verifying minting details are good enough and much more affordable than a conductivity detector.
@@audiophileman7047 The fisch tests aren't exactly cheap and you can test a wider variety of coins by simply adjusting the settings on a sigma. I've never known a shop that wants customers pinging their coins. I've also never seen anyone do that at a coin show. On the other hand I've seen plenty of folks who bring sigmas to coin shows
I recently took all my gold out of its original packaging I had 3 gram bars that were fake and one 5 gram that was phony.
Who made it?
The Mini Pro DOES have secondary testing measures. I have it and absolutely love it. Like you said, once it's connected, it's seamless. If you connect it to a tablet, you can use the specific gravity measurement on larger pieces like bars and larger-sized rounds.
It is! I hope... but they do seem to be, after checking them with various methods. My brother works at place where they legalize any kind of scales and other measuring devices. So at least regarding the weight, I am pretty sure it is fine.
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Been using the older one for years, saved me many times. Thanks for another .9999 fine videos Sir.. God Bless
Cheers!
Ah testing equipment, my favorite topic! 😆
Love my Sigma Pro Mini, it’s my go to testing equipment. But I do back this up with a GVS Bullion Tester, which tests a metal’s magnetism (which cannot be faked or manipulated). Both the Pro Mini and the GVS can test thru capsules and slabs, so they are great for preserving the numismatic value of the encased coin without prying it open.
Nice!
I'm surprised you didn't make this video sooner😂... But great info on how to check
I just got a 2024 Buffalo, and I was surprised to see that the rim is near perfect. I'm wondering what others are seeing, and maybe the US Mint fixed it this year.
Nice! It seems like the new ones are always good and then they get worse throughout the year. 😄
This is why I bought the sigma pro, bridge and three wands, just one fake gold coin is a disaster. I hooked mine up to the laptop looks nice and professional.
Nice!
Sigma Pro Metal Verifier. Cost around the same as 1oz gold coin...
the stanard sigma does the job easily, the pro is overkill.
@@jamesdoe3713 I like it and could afford it...(smile)
Very cool look at these, thanks! I have a great LCS that will test my stuff, but I have been eyeing that Investor model, just haven't pulled the trigger...yet!
Kind of fun to try these out. They're very easy to use.
I've been buying gold/metals for 10+ years, and by this point have accumulated quite a bit.
Always purchased from a reputable dealer (I'll just say it's one of the MAJOR, well-known, online sellers) and never worried a whole lot
about fakes. But... your video motivated me to get one of the Sigma testers...
"it's the only way to be sure..." :^)
[and I did use your link for the discount, slightly cheaper than the AG Bullion eBay listing]
Nice. I don't know what kind of dark magic Sigmas use to do what they do, but they're very easy to use. Cheers!
I bought my Gold with SD bullion and Silver with Monument Metals. I hope those are creditable and reputable companies.
They definitely are.
Yes they are! Specially Monument, I've bought a great deal of PMs from them
I purchase from those two more often than not.
I purchased SD bullion too I hope it real gold
@@willlarrea7939 Monument always has the best deals, although SD puts out better on occasion.
I bought a Sigma Investor and I love it. It opens up new buying opportunities
I bought the pro a couple years ago from Aleks directly. Great guy.
Nice!
Thank you!! 🎉🎉😊
@@AGBullion Happy birthday, Aleks!
Excellent video.. I've been looking for a way to test my gold..Does it also test Silver ??? Nevermind,you answered my question at the end..yes,it test silver..Thats awesome.. Very helpful..
I have the Pro version with the external bridge. I never use the bridge, and if I could go back in time, I would get the Pro-Mini.
The Pro Mini has measuring tools, but you need to use an ipad.
Have you seen the Investor? It looks nice.
@@2is1gold Ya, I checked it out. I'm not a fan of the display on it, or on mine.
I like the UI of the iPad with the Pro- Mini.
Is there any need to buy one of these machines if you always buy from reputable online dealers?
Sigma checks 1 micron deep!
wrong! The basic Sigma only surface tests. The Pro, the Pro Mini, & the Investor test all the way through AND measure the thickness.
Also the 'wonderful' XRF or xray scanners sell for 10x or 20x the price of a Sigma and also only surface test!
The difference is a Sigma Pro will catch tungsten filled gold coins and bars. An XRF may not catch that (if the surface coating is real gold), unless you take core samples (drilling) or fire assay (melting)!
Sigma Pro series pmv's are a valuable & cost effective solution.
@@MrKiwi13605 the basic sigma also has x3 wands that test deeper, the basic does the job just fine.
It doesn’t matter if it came from APMEX, JM, Liberty, or my grandmother. It’s all going to the sigma
It is advisable to not rely on one test alone. After visually verifying minting details, the Fisch Tests and the Ping Test with an app are all you need to do, but you can add the conductivity test for added confidence.
I'm going to get a verifier one day I'm just going to slowly save up money every week to get one. what do you think of buying a used sigma or would it just be worth it to get a new one?
You cant fake that ringing sound it make. That ping tells you alot.
Always a great video. I don’t have the means for those machines. But for me always purchase from the most reputable store in my city, The coin hits the scales, hit the SRF and gets a ring test at home. Possibly one of the most underrated tests is the ring test. In my view anyway, combine all of those and you should be good. I use a little metal rod for the ring test, and it risks putting a little tiny dent on the side of the coin but in my view it’s worth it..... any further suggestions anyone?
Great video brother thanks for the info 🥃🥃🥃
Cheers! 🥃
You don't rely on any one test, even these conductivity devices when testing coins. You can also use magnetism as a screening tool as well. Perform at least two tests. If you check diameter, thickness, and weight, that's one test that relies on density characteristics. If you check by pinging, that's another test that relies on audio frequency characteristics. After visually verifying minting details and performing the previously mentioned tests, there isn't a need to go any further. It's more cost effective to conduct these tests than to buy one of the conductivity devices.
Buffalos can be verified by their completely amateur thickness and cut quality control 😂
"Reputable source" advice is bad advice. Why? It causes people to let their guard down. Reputable sources can themselves be victims of crime, and if a fake sneaks into their inventory without them knowing, they can accidentally pass it on to you. Always ask the dealer to run it over the sigma just before they hand it to you. It's super fast, easy, and it proves legitimacy for everyone.
I own a Sigma & test everything i buy. Thanks!
Does Sigma maintain the firmware, so if a major mint uses a new alloy you can update the machine and check for it?
I do t know that. I’ll see if I can find anything out.
Surprise! Older Maples do not have security feature and some do not ping accurately...best to use Sigma or wand.For those reasons I now shy away from these coins.
i have a question: what is the reddish brownish 1mm sized circular spot on the surface of a .9999 gold maple I saw at the shop? now way its rust right? its too pure to be rust right?
Thanks for the information
Does a xrf machine can you put plastic in it and get correct readings.?
2 is 1 live your videos! Quick question here, I am about to purchase 4 oz of gold and if you were to be in my shoes, would you purchase right now, or wait for a little drop ?
My LCS is happy to test before a sale, upon polite request.
Most should. Most also seem offended when you ask. 😅
My LCS tests everything in front of you, whether it's coming in or going out...he just does it as a matter of course.
@@2is1goldthe ones who act offended are arrogant jerks. They are the ones who will screw up and sell junk. I won't buy from anyone with that big of an ego. Total red flag.
Got a sigma pro in 2022. Love knowing my gold is pure.
I test all my gold in purchase (even from my LCS) at home on my Sigma...
What did the krugers look like? Thanks 2 is 1!
Too yellow and dull. Lack of detail. Lots of microscratches.
I bought some gold on local auction site, 1/2 Oz coin and 5g bar, those were so rare, I think nobody even bothers to fake it. Price was under spot... Coin 500 pcs 1998 limitid edition from known local mint company (hallmarked), bar was from National bank of Belarus (Argor Heraus produced, including original receipt). Who is going to fake such niche products...
Somebody got a fresh fidget spinner--for adults. LOL Cheers!
Ha, yes!
I have the basic model myself. I’m surprised the Chinese haven’t cloned these devices yet
Thank you for the video.
I introduced my local bullion shop to the Sigma. I test all my coins with it.
Every video of his I watch, i learn absolutely nothing. Just show boating. I just gawk at his gold. But no gold envy.
It's ok if I Buy from ebay? Any reconmedation?
Can this machine be used to test gold jewelry?
Thanks.
I pretty much buy from Silver Gold bull . But I have been thinking of buying a tester It would be nice to have
Well done.
I bought the PRO also :)
All the beautiful stained wood you don't happen to be from the Pacific Northwest
Wonderful machines to see what can not be seen.
I like to use them to test at the shop when I buy.
Good job.
🤜🤛
I made sure I owned a sigma, worth every penny.
Where do you buy from . Who would you trust
SDBullion is a channel sponsor. I was already buying from them / already trusted them. They’re of course at the top of my list. Cheers!
Ive seen these dont do well identifying gold clad tungston. Ping test is free and not fakable
Tungsten doesn’t fool the new Sigmas. Not sure about past versions.
I buy from trusted online dealers and coinshops
Simple. If the diameter, thickness, and weight all match the specs, it must be real. No need to buy a fancy machine.
Those it work with all precious metals ?
Only silver and gold ?
Does it work if the coin is in a small plastic bag ?
So if you come across a gold coin that your sure is real on the "street". Would you buy it?
At 3:31 he says she started testing the Maple Leafs but the video shows him testing the American Buffalo coins.......
I did start with a Maple Leaf. That is correct. :)
Put a huge magnet to it.
Everyone knows that the security notch on a 1 oz AGE is totally impossible to reproduce. That's top notch security right there!😉
Ha!
The Sigma easily get fulled by tungsten
wrong! the sigma can be fooled by copper but it is the only tester (pro series) that will catch tungsten. you have been listening to the wrong bullshit.
the sigma measures conductivity & dimensions. To use it properly you must do both tests. The dimensions tests always catches the copper fakes and the conductivity tests always catch the tungsten.
the sigma wands pick it up, they work just fine.
*THE ONLY REASON I DON’T INVEST IN MORE EAGLES IS THE LACK OF SECURITY FEATURES I CAN TEST ON MY OWN AT HOME W MY NAKED EYE.. ORIGINALLY I TRUSTED THE MAPLES BUT THE WAY BRITANNIA COINS ARE FOLDS PROOF…. ALONG W THE .9999 I CANT FIND A REASON NOT TO STACK THOSE* 😅😅😅
when is face reveal
How could you do a testing video and not show us what it looks like to test a fake coin?!? 😢
You can trick that Sigma,if you have a 90% half dollar it will read as Gold,at least the 1 at my LCS is that way....🥃
I wasn’t able to trick this one. Maybe they have a lemon!
@@2is1gold I just asked him how he was tricking it,what silver and what gold setting and it reads as gold but I'll have to find out exactly what was used and the setting. 🥃
@@2is1gold Put it on the pure gold setting and it's a 40% half not a 90% my mistake, I knew it read as Gold so try a 40% half dollar not 90% ......🥃
@@jimmytwotone2127yes it is a failing on Sigmas part not to have profiles for gold less than 80%.
The 40% silver tests as gold because they are also 40% copper. Copper & gold conductivity are VERY similar but their density is different by 250%. This means a 40% half dollar may pass the conductivity test but completely fail the dimension test.
Finally you are misusing the device if you test with totally the wrong metal profile settings. How is that the tool's fault? Hmm perhaps that makes the operator the tool....
You bye from a reputable source, not the bargain on Tesco... sorry for beeing frank, you pay more, but you are saf3
1st okay 2nd