Simple solution would be: Late addition because the editors hadn't edited the story yet. Nerd solution: They might want to feature them in High Republic stuff?
@@danielhales8169 well they are like the mandalorians and have been a neusense for thousands of years (but unlike the mandalorians they weren't really conquerors) so them still being around is defiantly not impossible, while at the same time them causing maham in the past is also not impossible. it would be a wast to not use a force sect espeshaly do to most of the other ones now being legends.
I'm so glad they brought back more depth to Dathomir!!!! When they reset the canon I was disappointed because the Witches of Dathomir were my favorite groups, The Singing Mountain Clan, Spider Clan etc and how they were formed basically by a exiled Jedi. So excited to read this story!!!!
I've done art work for comic books and I can say from my experience, the story wasn't done yet or approved by Lucasfilms. I've painted covers dozens of times to get the publisher happy and once was done the day of final printing deadline. Some publishers make sample copies for printer tooling tests so I assume they printed some incomplete books and once the Night Sisters was completed, final prints were run. Just a thought.
I love that more Legends material is making it's way back into canon. I enjoyed much of the old Expanded Universe or at least diving into it on Wookieepedia. It's more fun when playing the RPGS and video games in the galaxy.
I think describing the night sisters as dark side users sells them short. There is certainly darkness in their magic, their ancient tradition of force training, but it goes beyond that. There is a kind of love and kinship which bonds them together, something we don't see in the sith, or rogue Jedi like Pong Krell.
I honestly lover thr Nightsisters and was upset when Clone Wars made it seem like they went extinct. So happy they are being expanded upon once more and others still live
I kinda like the idea of lightside and darkside witches. As someone who tried to do "real magic" (not Wicca, there's a lot of magic religions and spiritual beliefs), I've always found that you would try to do something positive to get a positive outcome and do something negative to do a curse. (Again lots of different beliefs, and this is a simplification of my own spiritual experience. I am not trying to dumb down religions beliefs.)
George Lucas also include a nightsisters witch in Ewoks: The Battle for Endor in the 80s. It's the first live action performance of an evil witch in Star Wars. The actress was Sian Phillips, the same who play The Reverend Mother in the original Dune movie.
Mother Talzin: Dooku sent his minions to destroy us, but we will survive. We always have. And I'm happy they have, the Nightsisters have become favorite species in the expanded universe since the 3rd season of Clone Wars. I'd love to hear more stories with Nightsisters.
The Courtship of Princess Leia was the very first Star Wars novel I ever bought and read, WAY back in the early Legends, (Expanded Universe, preferably,) days. After Return of the Jedi and a couple of made-for-TV Ewok movies, it's essentially all we had back then, until the various Star Wars video and role playing games started to appear, a little later, during the proverbial, "dark times." (Starting about 1984 and on)
My favorite Clone Wars character is Asajj. I love hearing this story, this story makes me want to go pick up this book on audible. I love listening to Star Wars books! I’m thrilled SWE and audible have been teaming up for so long.
@@lewisoliverleo Completely agree with you. Between Jedi Lost and Dark Disciple the authors give so much more content to who Asajj is and her character. By far my favorite story arc of Clone Wars is Dark Disciple by Christie Golden & Katie Lucas.
One reason could be that since all the other stories were essentially written versions of already told stories, they wanted to hold the one truly unique as a surprise and not something given away as part of an ARC.
One of the big questions that came to my mind while playing Jedi: Fallen Order was what became of Dathomirian society after the fall of Mother Talzin and the Nightsisters. Females on Dathomir are at the top of the food chain but now it seems like they're more or less gone. So where does the planet go from there? The Nightbrothers don't seem to be trying to fill the void because they answer to Malicos and aren't very autonomous. I think this new story opens some possibilities for one of these other clans, possibly one of the more lightsided ones, to rise and take the place of the Nightsisters after Maul dies, because obviously we know nothing has changed by the time he's using Dathomir as a base of operations. I think that could be really interesting to see how that could change the purview of Dathomir, a planet associated with darkness, into possibly a more neutral allignment, maybe, if that makes sense.
Courtship of Princess Leia was one of my favorite Legends novels of the old EU. I was disappointed that in Clone Wars, Dave Filoni only focused on the Nightsisters, so it's nice to hear that the Witches of Dathomir are not totally gone, living only in Legends....I would love to see the Witches of Dathomir in either Ashoka or Mandalorian series.
If we see New Republic chancellor Mon Mothma, they might throw in a Leia hologram or something too, since they were working together quite a bit during this time. Newly dubbed Commander Ackbar would be on the table as well.
Maybe an additional explanation of how Palpatine was resurrected/preserved. Was the created daughter force sensitive? My headcanon is that night sister Ichor is an ingredient in the fluids in Palpatine’s machine keeping his body functioning in Episode 9
"Creating a child made out of clay", now that sounds almost like a "one hand" of Wander Women and the Amazons Origin story of how they were made out of Clay by the Gods!!!
So awesome. I LOVE the Nightsisters and Dathomir Witches. They were totally cool in Star Wars Galaxies, even though they'd hand you your ass in a second if you got to close and didn't have a big enough team. :)
Finally! Sorry lol. This is something that's kinda annoyed me about canon star wars since disney took over. It seems like we forget planets are whole planets. So often in star wars a planet is one village. Not even a city just like a tiny village and that seems to be it. Adding tribes and subgroups and such is what I live for so woot! thanks for the vid glad to see the witches of dathomir are getting some variety again!
This stuff was happening long before Disney. Lucas started the overt simplification of stuff in clone wars. Remember Korriban changed to Moriban...for some reason.
@@slyfer60 Oh i completely agree! Its always been a trend to simplify the worlds, and the korriban thing annoyed me back in the day when they changed it. Its just that around the time they were doing the clone wars eu material with comics and books like dark rendevous and shatterpoint, there seemed to be a little more fleshing out of the world, and more worlds with more people. Whereas since disney it feels like we get 9 desolate planets and isolated villages for every one location that could even be close to being called a city. Like jedha is one of my favorite new canon places cause it felt like a lot of history and melding cultures were there.
Have you ever wondered if Lucasfilms intentionally set up the Nightsisters as the Dark Side equivalent of the Jedi for us to compare: two groups of powerful Force practitioners who were driven to endangered/extinction levels by one man and the few that are left look to somehow carry on their traditions?
No I honestly thought they just made them up to make the world feel more lived in and Real kind of in a similar to the way George Lucas likes to film his movies how documentaries are normally filmed. there has to be more than two groups of force users in order for the world to feel lived in and for the force to feel like a phenomenon that is not completely governed by the Jedi order. it helps really sell the main lesson that one has figured out how to Live truly in sync with the force people can get close but they haven’t figured out to be perfectly balanced yet. The Jedi are too good and the Sith are too bad. The only people who are really close to what the force is really about taking the middle path because it’s basically space Buddhism The witches are actually closer to enlightenment than the Jedi are.
They're canonically a race of Zabraks. There are Iridonian Zabraks, who are from the Zabrak homeworld, and there are Dathomirian Zabraks who immigrated to Dathomir long ago and have evolved to the planet. Mother Talzin is Maul's mother for example. They're the same species.
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@@randomgamer625 But my question is how do you love how much lore there is in the new canon? There was always been deep lore in Star Wars and most of the lore from the new canon carried over from the EU.
I think the pandemic has a lot to do with it, so many things were delayed because of that and also that this weekend was suposed to be Star Wars celebration and they probably planned it to reveil it then so people can buy the books there
Probably kept from the early review version because it was the least predictable story of the anthology. Especially if everything else is just retellings of clone wars episodes.
@@isabelasabbatini4431 Yes, and 3PO had some unexpectedly funny moments. Even Luke did too - plus, got to really show off some of his powers. My one complaint was Zsinj and the other villains weren't too great, but the X-Wing books alleviated that somewhat.
Why? Both this and the old EU can exist peaceful. The old EU is one timeline of events. And the current cannon is another timeline of events. Cannon only refers to what is to be considered when writing for the current timeline.
i have this theory for the Kenobi Series: Its rumored that the series is going to show a hunt for Obi Wan, and even if its lead by Vader, they wouldnt be able to meet, because of what Vader says to Kenobi on ANH (That the last time they met he was his apprentice), so im thinking this, Jedi Hunt means Inquisitors so im guessing some Inquisitors will be hunting Obi Wan, so what if ... the introduce STARKILLER here,as the main inquisitor hunting for kenobi, and also as the main antagonist of the series. Also having kenobi killing him in the end of the series final battle, so that would explain why he doesnt show in Rebels and the OT. It surely has to be a weaker version of Starkiller, not that semi god we saw on the game. I think that would be an amazing way of getting the Legends Vader Apprentice back into canon. What do you guys think?
Maybe an additional explanation of how Palpatine was resurrected/preserved. Was the created daughter force sensitive? My headcanon is that night sister Ichor is an ingredient in the fluids in Palpatine’s machine keeping his body functioning in Episode 9
Simple solution would be: Late addition because the editors hadn't edited the story yet. Nerd solution: They might want to feature them in High Republic stuff?
Oh i like that, the Nightsisters is always one of my favourite parts of TCW and seeing them in other content would be amazing
@@danielhales8169 well they are like the mandalorians and have been a neusense for thousands of years (but unlike the mandalorians they weren't really conquerors) so them still being around is defiantly not impossible, while at the same time them causing maham in the past is also not impossible. it would be a wast to not use a force sect espeshaly do to most of the other ones now being legends.
I'm so glad they brought back more depth to Dathomir!!!! When they reset the canon I was disappointed because the Witches of Dathomir were my favorite groups, The Singing Mountain Clan, Spider Clan etc and how they were formed basically by a exiled Jedi. So excited to read this story!!!!
Just so long as the Spider Clan doesn't worship Lolth...
I've done art work for comic books and I can say from my experience, the story wasn't done yet or approved by Lucasfilms. I've painted covers dozens of times to get the publisher happy and once was done the day of final printing deadline. Some publishers make sample copies for printer tooling tests so I assume they printed some incomplete books and once the Night Sisters was completed, final prints were run. Just a thought.
I love that more Legends material is making it's way back into canon. I enjoyed much of the old Expanded Universe or at least diving into it on Wookieepedia. It's more fun when playing the RPGS and video games in the galaxy.
I was talking more about concepts than specific characters. Other Force cultures are a great thing to expand upon. Droids and starships too.
Chosen One more like they streamlined legend material into the canon
@Chosen One You can bring Mara jade back though.
@Chosen One make them break-up in canon lol, OT characters are all failures anyway in sequels
I think describing the night sisters as dark side users sells them short. There is certainly darkness in their magic, their ancient tradition of force training, but it goes beyond that. There is a kind of love and kinship which bonds them together, something we don't see in the sith, or rogue Jedi like Pong Krell.
I honestly lover thr Nightsisters and was upset when Clone Wars made it seem like they went extinct. So happy they are being expanded upon once more and others still live
I kinda like the idea of lightside and darkside witches. As someone who tried to do "real magic" (not Wicca, there's a lot of magic religions and spiritual beliefs), I've always found that you would try to do something positive to get a positive outcome and do something negative to do a curse. (Again lots of different beliefs, and this is a simplification of my own spiritual experience. I am not trying to dumb down religions beliefs.)
George Lucas also include a nightsisters witch in Ewoks: The Battle for Endor in the 80s. It's the first live action performance of an evil witch in Star Wars. The actress was Sian Phillips, the same who play The Reverend Mother in the original Dune movie.
Mother Talzin: Dooku sent his minions to destroy us,
but we will survive. We always have.
And I'm happy they have, the Nightsisters have become favorite species in the expanded universe since the 3rd season of Clone Wars. I'd love to hear more stories with Nightsisters.
The Courtship of Princess Leia was the very first Star Wars novel I ever bought and read, WAY back in the early Legends, (Expanded Universe, preferably,) days.
After Return of the Jedi and a couple of made-for-TV Ewok movies, it's essentially all we had back then, until the various Star Wars video and role playing games started to appear, a little later, during the proverbial, "dark times." (Starting about 1984 and on)
My favorite Clone Wars character is Asajj. I love hearing this story, this story makes me want to go pick up this book on audible. I love listening to Star Wars books! I’m thrilled SWE and audible have been teaming up for so long.
I loved how much good Asajj content there was in the Dooku: Jedi Lost audiobook, and her voice was soo good
@@lewisoliverleo Completely agree with you. Between Jedi Lost and Dark Disciple the authors give so much more content to who Asajj is and her character. By far my favorite story arc of Clone Wars is Dark Disciple by Christie Golden & Katie Lucas.
One reason could be that since all the other stories were essentially written versions of already told stories, they wanted to hold the one truly unique as a surprise and not something given away as part of an ARC.
i like the fact that Dathomir is a planet rich in the Dark Side i’ve always like the nightsisters
One of the big questions that came to my mind while playing Jedi: Fallen Order was what became of Dathomirian society after the fall of Mother Talzin and the Nightsisters. Females on Dathomir are at the top of the food chain but now it seems like they're more or less gone. So where does the planet go from there? The Nightbrothers don't seem to be trying to fill the void because they answer to Malicos and aren't very autonomous. I think this new story opens some possibilities for one of these other clans, possibly one of the more lightsided ones, to rise and take the place of the Nightsisters after Maul dies, because obviously we know nothing has changed by the time he's using Dathomir as a base of operations. I think that could be really interesting to see how that could change the purview of Dathomir, a planet associated with darkness, into possibly a more neutral allignment, maybe, if that makes sense.
Loved Night Sisters in Legends so this is great news.
Maybe the Mandalorian will visit Dathomir or run into other witches.
The different night sister clans were also in the Forces of Corruption game
Courtship of Princess Leia was one of my favorite Legends novels of the old EU. I was disappointed that in Clone Wars, Dave Filoni only focused on the Nightsisters, so it's nice to hear that the Witches of Dathomir are not totally gone, living only in Legends....I would love to see the Witches of Dathomir in either Ashoka or Mandalorian series.
I thought the only Nightsister alive was the one in fallen order?? I hope there’s more and they can restore the nightsisters
I'm actually surprised that there's more of them, but also MOST interesting, indeed.
I would really like to see a Nightsister as an antagonist in a future Star Wars story
We need an entire nightsisters comic storyline.
Just to put it out there, Bug will be in The Mandalorian Season 2, same with Willrow Hood, Bossk, Mon Mothma, Thrawn, Max Rebo, and Kix.
JESUS CONFIRMED FOR MANDALORIAN SEASON 2!!!!
If we see New Republic chancellor Mon Mothma, they might throw in a Leia hologram or something too, since they were working together quite a bit during this time. Newly dubbed Commander Ackbar would be on the table as well.
And Kitster
Awesome...glad to see the Witches have returned to Canon!
3:22 Merrin is best girl
Rest In Peace Chadwick Boseman, my king.
Somewhere in heaven he’s hanging out with Stan Lee.
They're at the casino.
Maybe an additional explanation of how Palpatine was resurrected/preserved. Was the created daughter force sensitive?
My headcanon is that night sister Ichor is an ingredient in the fluids in Palpatine’s machine keeping his body functioning in Episode 9
Alex I like your idea of the Bad Batch taking a job for the witch. Sounds like it could have potential for good tv.
When playing mmo game Star wars galaxies, there was singing sisters and night sisters on dathomir. Light and dark force users.
Is that Samurai Jack? 2:03
Please do a video for the life of the Nightsister Merrin from Jedi Fallen Order
Are the night sisters extinct? Or is the one in fallen order the only one?
Maybe they kept it out because it's an original story and not a retelling of a one that exist
Great to see the new cannon being expanded
I'd always hoped that Rey's mother would be revealed to have been a Dathomir witch.
We don't know much of her so fingers crossed
If you haven't you should also do a review of the short story that came in the the paperback release of Star Wars Galaxy's Edge black spire.
"Creating a child made out of clay", now that sounds almost like a "one hand" of Wander Women and the Amazons Origin story of how they were made out of Clay by the Gods!!!
So awesome. I LOVE the Nightsisters and Dathomir Witches. They were totally cool in Star Wars Galaxies, even though they'd hand you your ass in a second if you got to close and didn't have a big enough team. :)
Would love to see them in a movie
Finally! Sorry lol. This is something that's kinda annoyed me about canon star wars since disney took over. It seems like we forget planets are whole planets. So often in star wars a planet is one village. Not even a city just like a tiny village and that seems to be it. Adding tribes and subgroups and such is what I live for so woot! thanks for the vid glad to see the witches of dathomir are getting some variety again!
This stuff was happening long before Disney. Lucas started the overt simplification of stuff in clone wars. Remember Korriban changed to Moriban...for some reason.
@@slyfer60 Oh i completely agree! Its always been a trend to simplify the worlds, and the korriban thing annoyed me back in the day when they changed it. Its just that around the time they were doing the clone wars eu material with comics and books like dark rendevous and shatterpoint, there seemed to be a little more fleshing out of the world, and more worlds with more people. Whereas since disney it feels like we get 9 desolate planets and isolated villages for every one location that could even be close to being called a city. Like jedha is one of my favorite new canon places cause it felt like a lot of history and melding cultures were there.
Cal Kestis and Sister Merrin
@Chosen One agreed no one dark side
@Chosen One cal and merrin married
@Chosen One oh ok i like that
@Chosen One yeah maybe the last jedi
Have you ever wondered if Lucasfilms intentionally set up the Nightsisters as the Dark Side equivalent of the Jedi for us to compare: two groups of powerful Force practitioners who were driven to endangered/extinction levels by one man and the few that are left look to somehow carry on their traditions?
No I honestly thought they just made them up to make the world feel more lived in and Real kind of in a similar to the way George Lucas likes to film his movies how documentaries are normally filmed. there has to be more than two groups of force users in order for the world to feel lived in and for the force to feel like a phenomenon that is not completely governed by the Jedi order. it helps really sell the main lesson that one has figured out how to Live truly in sync with the force people can get close but they haven’t figured out to be perfectly balanced yet. The Jedi are too good and the Sith are too bad. The only people who are really close to what the force is really about taking the middle path because it’s basically space Buddhism The witches are actually closer to enlightenment than the Jedi are.
I love the Dathomirian witch mythology!
Are Night sisters Zabracs or a species of their own
They are a species of their own
They're canonically a race of Zabraks. There are Iridonian Zabraks, who are from the Zabrak homeworld, and there are Dathomirian Zabraks who immigrated to Dathomir long ago and have evolved to the planet. Mother Talzin is Maul's mother for example. They're the same species.
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I love how much lore there is in the new canon
Huh? Star Wars has always had rich lore.
Kyle Hill what are you taking about?
@@randomgamer625 You're talking as if the EU didn't have lots of lore too.
Kyle Hill why because I’m not worshiping it? I’m taking about the new canon not legends besides I love both
@@randomgamer625 But my question is how do you love how much lore there is in the new canon? There was always been deep lore in Star Wars and most of the lore from the new canon carried over from the EU.
So. Many. Purges!
I'm just gonna guess that story was held back because it was original. It sounds like it has the least to do with the war, after all.
I am here.
More Star Wars legends
I honestly thought the nightsisters had control over the planet similar to the Hutts
I keep thinking back to darth Zannah's cousin Bug, whenever you say the name bug
If witches can create life so easily what's the point of Plagueis' life work?
Sounds kinda similar to Wonder Woman's origins
Love how they're taking their time to reorganise some cool legends ideas into canon consistently
Please, pray for everyone.
I think the pandemic has a lot to do with it, so many things were delayed because of that and also that this weekend was suposed to be Star Wars celebration and they probably planned it to reveil it then so people can buy the books there
My guess to have some buzz around a book at is probably otherwise not going to be that popular.
Probably kept from the early review version because it was the least predictable story of the anthology. Especially if everything else is just retellings of clone wars episodes.
Expanded Universe > Disney Canon
Both
the force is no magic
I wonder can the witches of Dathomir use magic from Harry Potter like a wand to cast spells and fly on a broom?
Because the Empire and First Order is gone 🤷🏻♂️
The Courtship of Princess Leia is one of the best worst books I've ever read
It's certainly one of the cheesiest Legends books (and took me a while to find) That said, I strangely rather liked it.
@@chrissonofpear1384 It's oddly compelling, isn't it? I can see clearly everything that's wrong with it, yet just love it.
@@isabelasabbatini4431 Yes, and 3PO had some unexpectedly funny moments. Even Luke did too - plus, got to really show off some of his powers. My one complaint was Zsinj and the other villains weren't too great, but the X-Wing books alleviated that somewhat.
@@chrissonofpear1384 I have several complaints about how the "courtship" actually happens, but the rest of the book is frankly hilarious.
@@isabelasabbatini4431 Ah yeah, like the whole 'gun of command' thing, and other impulsiveness?
We need the old expanded universe
It still exists.... Just a separate timeline.
It's 1 timeline
While the current cannon is the current timeline both can co-exist peacefully
Nirate Goel yep 👍
I suspect that the rumored show with a female cast is likely about the witches.
Give lucas control again
Why?
Both this and the old EU can exist peaceful.
The old EU is one timeline of events.
And the current cannon is another timeline of events.
Cannon only refers to what is to be considered when writing for the current timeline.
Nirate Goel nice 👍
god damn 25 seconds ago
AAAAAHHHHHHH
i have this theory for the Kenobi Series: Its rumored that the series is going to show a hunt for Obi Wan, and even if its lead by Vader, they wouldnt be able to meet, because of what Vader says to Kenobi on ANH (That the last time they met he was his apprentice), so im thinking this, Jedi Hunt means Inquisitors so im guessing some Inquisitors will be hunting Obi Wan, so what if ... the introduce STARKILLER here,as the main inquisitor hunting for kenobi, and also as the main antagonist of the series. Also having kenobi killing him in the end of the series final battle, so that would explain why he doesnt show in Rebels and the OT. It surely has to be a weaker version of Starkiller, not that semi god we saw on the game.
I think that would be an amazing way of getting the Legends Vader Apprentice back into canon.
What do you guys think?
Maybe an additional explanation of how Palpatine was resurrected/preserved. Was the created daughter force sensitive?
My headcanon is that night sister Ichor is an ingredient in the fluids in Palpatine’s machine keeping his body functioning in Episode 9