I have watched hundreds and hundreds of instructionals from every group and the Gracie combative course and these two instructors is the BEST by far. They have made me believers in Gracie Jujistu.
I love the ending where Rener says, "...hopefully mine wins" and just rolls away and Reyron says, "That wasn't sick...that wasn't sick." Hahaha. Oh, man, I love you guys. You guys are hilarious.
They're both good! If I was losing control I'd use Rener's. But If I was confident with my position, I'd do Ryron's technique. They're both sick! Thanks for sharing.
I've seen other players switch arms before which is really cool,but that's the first time I've seen it slowly explained.very valuable info about the foot position when switching.The brotherly rivality is definitely hilarious and entertaining.I see how they became so good at it.
Thank you guys for showing me those moves. I don't have money for classes, but I really appreciate learning Jiu Jitsu through TH-cam. I just love simplicity and effectiveness. By the ways you guys are funny and have me cracking up sometimes. Thanks once again.
i was having problems because people knew that my special technique was the armbar and people kept defeding because they knew it was coming, but after watching this vid it really helped my game, thanks guys
Now thats unconvential warfare. Those guys are great instructors. Seem like genuine nice guys. If it wasn't for the Gracie family Jiu-jitsu would not b where it is today. Thank you Helio !
@Petriealright In theory that works. However, when you lift the leg off/over your head you no longer have control of it and as we know in BJJ control is EVERYTHING. Any decent blue belt will simply switch their hips thus eliminate the angle you need come straight in(180 degrees) and therefore giving them the angle to lift their leg around your arm to the back of your neck as you come up. You have to understand the armbar arm is not the arm in the triangle it's the other arm that's in the choke
@Petriealright you'd walk right into a triangle. It's best to get a Rear Naked Choke grip with your arm underneath the back of the knee.(They had it on top in the video that solidifies your grip but as you saw that walks you into the belly down armbar which is REALLY BAD) and just come up. There's really no way to stop the switch armlock (Ryron's technique) if they switch you are going to be tapping. hope that helps.
I like them both! But! I watched this a few years ago and I’ve been using Ryron’s move ever since - and honestly.... forgot about Rener’s move. lol. Need more training partners!
Both you guy's are super cool, I although ryrons is a little more risky to do but it will still work 9/10. Reners sneaky armbar would doesn't require you to switch positions. So basically reners armbar is making a situation from bad to even worse for the guy while ryrons armbar just readjusting the position.
I am new and Ill take what I can both seem effective, but I fine visually the double arm lock smoother and easier and less complicated but it is necessary to know them all if you want to be the like best.
I cant believe anyone would critique these guys. Try walking into their academy and tell them its low precentage. I use these techniques in my daily warm up drills and use them often while sparring with great success. Just drill it!!!
I knew there was a belly down variation from there I've just never seen it. Seen the switch many times. I like that both are instant taps. For me Ryron wins though Rener's technique is amazing but since guys at my gym dont defend with the arm on top there's no I'd hit the belly-down(though i can't physically do either of these moves anyway i wouldn't be able to hit the belly down if i could.) So Ryron wins. Awesome video guys.
@1lostinspace They were kids when I was there too but they seem to have grown up into some damn fine instructors. What do either of these techniques have to do with "going to your back"??? When were you at the academy? Maybe I know you.
@ 1lostinspace Yeah I agree bout the fact there are other ways to retrive the arm. But that dosent make this move low percentage. As for taking the weight off there is a sure fire way to prevent the escape when u make the hip transition its a little something Royler does with this move. Not sure if Im getting the grip break your describing do u have a vid link? sounds good id like to see. Bicep lock it top move shame its illegal in comp : (
"Mine is more grandmaster ish"-Rener, WORD!lol. I like Rener's because I never seen an armlock transition like that. Ryron's is more common, and looks sick as well. BUt yeah I vote for Rener's!
On the first technique, if he puts his free hand behind your knee instead of in front of it, is it very likely to work if you try to fight his hand out and then complete the technique?
How does one choose between two solid techniques taught by Jiu-Jitsu immortality? I'll try these at the Academy and report back. How's that for a P.C. answer!
question since ur armbars are ur move what do you think the best way is to gain more power to be able to extend those arms do u lift certain weights or jus drill the shit outa arm bars?
it shouldn't really require weightlifting, it should be drilled as much as possible. what the power really comes from is once you glue his wrist to your chest, pinch your knees together and extend your hips. hips/legs vs 1 arm..
@1lostinspace Far from it. Why don't you inform me. Who are you and what do you know? What's your history? Who did you study with? How many times have you tried these techniques to determine that they are "low percentage"? What do you prefer in their place? Go ahead, enlighten me.
Love it how Rener always says his is more "grandmasterish", every time! They're both absolutely awesome IMO.
Theres no substitute for good instructors. These guys are great teachers. Good stuff
I have watched hundreds and hundreds of instructionals from every group and the Gracie combative course and these two instructors is the BEST by far. They have made me believers in Gracie Jujistu.
I love the ending where Rener says, "...hopefully mine wins" and just rolls away and Reyron says, "That wasn't sick...that wasn't sick." Hahaha. Oh, man, I love you guys. You guys are hilarious.
Damn, a commentary from 10 years ago
They're both good! If I was losing control I'd use Rener's. But If I was confident with my position, I'd do Ryron's technique. They're both sick! Thanks for sharing.
Reners roll at the end was sick!
Even years later.......you guys are hilarious and amazing teachers.
Thanks 🙏
I've seen other players switch arms before which is really cool,but that's the first time I've seen it slowly explained.very valuable info about the foot position when switching.The brotherly rivality is definitely hilarious and entertaining.I see how they became so good at it.
Mine's a little bit more "Grandmasterish"...classic.
Yeah these guys are the best. If I get stationed in L.A. I'm definitely coming to the Academy.
Thank you guys for showing me those moves. I don't have money for classes, but I really appreciate learning Jiu Jitsu through TH-cam. I just love simplicity and effectiveness. By the ways you guys are funny and have me cracking up sometimes. Thanks once again.
You guys are funny and great
i was having problems because people knew that my special technique was the armbar and people kept defeding because they knew it was coming, but after watching this vid it really helped my game, thanks guys
These two are really funny..
I like the way they train together...
Plus very nice techniques...
Now thats unconvential warfare. Those guys are great instructors. Seem like genuine nice guys. If it wasn't for the Gracie family Jiu-jitsu would not b where it is today. Thank you Helio !
Loving these videos, guys!
both ryron and rener are class acts and excellent instructors!!
@Petriealright In theory that works. However, when you lift the leg off/over your head you no longer have control of it and as we know in BJJ control is EVERYTHING. Any decent blue belt will simply switch their hips thus eliminate the angle you need come straight in(180 degrees) and therefore giving them the angle to lift their leg around your arm to the back of your neck as you come up. You have to understand the armbar arm is not the arm in the triangle it's the other arm that's in the choke
Amazing move I just really can't tell you how much I'm looking forward to practicing this thank you professor
Both are really cool
You guys are simply awesome. Will be mastering both, Thank you for posting.
@Petriealright you'd walk right into a triangle. It's best to get a Rear Naked Choke grip with your arm underneath the back of the knee.(They had it on top in the video that solidifies your grip but as you saw that walks you into the belly down armbar which is REALLY BAD) and just come up. There's really no way to stop the switch armlock (Ryron's technique) if they switch you are going to be tapping.
hope that helps.
I mean no offence to Renner, but Ryron's armlock was just SICK xD
Informative, and funny. This is the new breed of Gracie boys! Best instuctors, hands down.
This video still holds up. Oss.
maan ralek had the oportunity to use rener's armbar on sakuraba at the end of round 3 ! amaziiiing.
maaad good, bought the combatives dvd set, great set. keep up the good work
I really like the first move a lot but teh second one is new too me i will try It out for sure. U guys crack me up keep the vids coming.
lmao I love the brotherly rivalry in all their videos. Makes for comedic relief.
I made my instructor tap to day by a finish like this great moves !
+Diego Maynes time to get a new instructor
I like them both! But! I watched this a few years ago and I’ve been using Ryron’s move ever since - and honestly.... forgot about Rener’s move. lol. Need more training partners!
Both you guy's are super cool, I although ryrons is a little more risky to do but it will still work 9/10. Reners sneaky armbar would doesn't require you to switch positions. So basically reners armbar is making a situation from bad to even worse for the guy while ryrons armbar just readjusting the position.
I just sit at home drilling Ryron's armlock finish. Not only is it sick but it's also fun to do :).
So nice to watch! They are great teachers
I am new and Ill take what I can both seem effective, but I fine visually the double arm lock smoother and easier and less complicated but it is necessary to know them all if you want to be the like best.
I cant believe anyone would critique these guys. Try walking into their academy and tell them its low precentage. I use these techniques in my daily warm up drills and use them often while sparring with great success. Just drill it!!!
wow, that's amazing and it takes practice to go as quick as they are and thank you both so much for posting it :-)
@1lostinspace I dont find these low percentage at all tbh teh first move I use constantly have done for years still works great.
in my opinion Rener 's technique is probably more effective in real fight...but of you have good agility Ryron's technique work as well too
Antonio Convertino I feel they both provide very useful and creative techniques. As well as the ground-breaking principles and philosophies they teach
I knew there was a belly down variation from there I've just never seen it. Seen the switch many times. I like that both are instant taps. For me Ryron wins though Rener's technique is amazing but since guys at my gym dont defend with the arm on top there's no I'd hit the belly-down(though i can't physically do either of these moves anyway i wouldn't be able to hit the belly down if i could.) So Ryron wins. Awesome video guys.
switch is genius! I didn't think of a hip turn, I was trying to ponder how the feet would move lol
Do they still teach, or just drop videos in the middle of class?
im a huge fan of bjj.. love them the great and famous gracie...... wish i could train with them someday.
these guys are so freakin awesome
haha
and always sound so freakin excited
@1lostinspace They were kids when I was there too but they seem to have grown up into some damn fine instructors. What do either of these techniques have to do with "going to your back"??? When were you at the academy? Maybe I know you.
@ 1lostinspace Yeah I agree bout the fact there are other ways to retrive the arm. But that dosent make this move low percentage. As for taking the weight off there is a sure fire way to prevent the escape when u make the hip transition its a little something Royler does with this move. Not sure if Im getting the grip break your describing do u have a vid link? sounds good id like to see. Bicep lock it top move shame its illegal in comp : (
Can you imagine their mother trying to break up their fights as kids? Too funny
lol u guys cracks me up n @ da sametime teachin me a deadly art... Love it keep it coming
cant wait to try these out in the gym!
"Mine is more grandmaster ish"-Rener, WORD!lol. I like Rener's because I never seen an armlock transition like that. Ryron's is more common, and looks sick as well. BUt yeah I vote for Rener's!
Living Gracie Legends!
armbar 1 i use alot..2 is sick but ones sickerr
good job guys
@AndrewOwenWaldo you don't even need to fight his out. Just grab the tricep and do the switch as shown in the video.
On the first technique, if he puts his free hand behind your knee instead of in front of it, is it very likely to work if you try to fight his hand out and then complete the technique?
gotta love these two arguing, never gets old xD
i like how these guys mess around with who's move is better but either way both are sick
Gotta say Ryron's works against a resisting opponent MUCH better after rolling for a couple days playing with these.
Both a genius and beautiful ideas!! GJJ!!
Both effective for those situations, sibling rivalry 😂
You are guys the BEST!!!
Rener's is easier to switch to but both are sick!
ryrons version is very sick and incredible, but reners version is the way to go! :D
hahahaha they are both awesome!!!! you two arguing bout them is funny. great video 5/5
to me it looks like if the guy is on his back Ryron is the move and if he is turned in to you then Rener's is the movie
wow love it man both. and you two guys kill me. you remind me of me and my brothers. lol
How does one choose between two solid techniques taught by Jiu-Jitsu immortality?
I'll try these at the Academy and report back. How's that for a P.C. answer!
BOTH are very efficient and very useful to know
thanks a bunch =)
Rener's seems faster. I'd go with that but it does come at a higher consequence if you miss it.
@keeyat how can you afford to buy the techniques from the gracie combative course?:P
question since ur armbars are ur move what do you think the best way is to gain more power to be able to extend those arms do u lift certain weights or jus drill the shit outa arm bars?
I want to learn jui jitsu but i dont have enough money can you help me please
LOL these guys are hilarious... and sick techniques as well
My votes with Ryron.
Great Video THANKS FOR THE UPLOAD!.
very clean move!
Wow men really thank you for that techniques i will put lots of training time to them.
both are wicked, into the bag of tricks!
i love bjj... i study every technique....and armlocks are SICK!!!
very nice, I like both actually !
that vid is old but I love you guys :D
it shouldn't really require weightlifting, it should be drilled as much as possible. what the power really comes from is once you glue his wrist to your chest, pinch your knees together and extend your hips. hips/legs vs 1 arm..
Long story reners armbar is more slick
great technique guys. the 2nd arm bar works better for me :-)
hahaha gotta go with Ryron on this one...lol
Ryron is such a G
@1lostinspace You're right, the likelyhood of that is indeed ... hilarious.
New drinking game: Drink everytime he says boom.
Like Bruce Lee said, humans have 2 legs and 2 arms, use them to their limitless limits.
@1lostinspace Far from it. Why don't you inform me. Who are you and what do you know? What's your history? Who did you study with? How many times have you tried these techniques to determine that they are "low percentage"? What do you prefer in their place? Go ahead, enlighten me.
estos caras saben de lo que están hablando!!!!
I thought Ryron had a man bun at 0.59 😂
Haha same I thought I was tweakin
@MrMZaccone True..
@lyricallyundefined I totaly agree :D i like reners the most also beacuse we need to keep it real :D we need to be more efficient ;)
BLUE GI?
LOL @ the end subtle argument
Brilliant 👏
very smooth..!!!!!!..2 thumbs up
Fucking badass for now
Haha! You guys are awesome!
cool vid.-give these two guys a tv show.lol.
hahah that was a pretty epic one up-ing battle
brotherly love