I kinda feel bad for Eclipse. Realizing you were never in control of your own actions is something truly horrifying. Everyone deserves bodily autonomy. On a different note, I’m sure Eclipse would do whatever you want if you simply ask him in a ‘kindly’ manner.
@@Codiswartz063 Same. This is the only thing that bastard done right. Man, I wish BloodMoon could tear the Creator into nothingness. Yet he repaired BloodMoon, so it’s highly likely that he done something worst than Ruin’s controlled shocks into the blood boys. Only hope the blood boys have if Stitch wraith had removed any cruel tampering within them.
even if almost everyone are enemies, and nobody in the fandom completely agrees with eachother, they and we can all universally agree The Creator sucks
Yeah all I see is an animatronic who wonders why he's still alive and probably wants to die again no matter what or at the very least wants freedom from this new program (me who STILL wants a redemption arc from Eclipse😭😭)
yeah I agree. The only real legitamite villian is the creator now. Eclipse is misunderstood and confused and bloodmoon is now just a side character.@@SolarEclipseOGMoon
It's unlikely really! In an episode, I believe that Moon said something about ruin's universe being dead. But if that does happens im crying because ruin is one of my favorites!
The creator is such a piece of work... if i didn't hate him before i hate him even more than ever .... as much as I'm still not sure of ruin...i don't want him hurt or sent back. I want earth to confront and talk back at him so bad she needs to take that step too freeing herself of this madman.
Well this was a fascinating conversation. Both of them were definitely showing off their cleverness here. ...And now I kind of want Bloodmoon to also somehow stumble in here and meet the Creator. I am pretty sure they are the only ones who havent met him yet, and I feel like they actually might pose something of a threat to him.
@@ordinarystranger6667 But was it direct control like with his little gray robot, or indirect like when he had Trashcan Guy spy on them? Because if it is the latter, I dont think that really counts.
I’m finally rooting for eclipse for once :D GO ECLIPSE!! Is it just me or is he acting…odd- 11:40 ok I’m actually starting to feel bad for eclipse now…SAMS DO YOU WANT ME TO HATE HIM OR FEEL BAD FOR HIM??? I ALREADY ACCEPTED I DIDNT LIKE HIM,NOW YOURE PLAYING WITH ME AGAIN :,)
@@averythecat1998 idk, I feel like he's gone way too far for a redemption arc tbh- Like a redemption arc can only work if the villain/antagonist hasn't like caused tones of trauma,killed the protagonist loved ones and stuff 💀👍
@@Starr_06 I get that. There is a time and place for redemption arcs and I feel like it would be a disservices to give Eclipse that at this point. For one, he already died a pretty good way (Dying in a separate dimension bc they can't kill you in the original one is kind of ego-boosting), and it's clear that he didn't ask for life again since he keeps on asking why. Besides, who would trust him? Lunar has trauma, Earth likely has him labeled as a lost cause, Sun and Moon hate him, Ruin is just there but he likely doesn't like him much do to what happened, and Solar, at most, would only want to punch him in the face. AND THAT'S ONLY THE DAYCARE CREW. so Yeah, Redemption arc for Eclipse is unlikely.
This is getting quite confusing now,who else could have 'made' Eclipse? Evil Sun is a popular option,but who else could have?.. Also,its great to know how Eclipse hates the creator too- he sounding mad
(I think Eclipse is just as surprised as I am that; canonly someone likes him. Even if that person has goals; you dont just bring someone back unless you like their company.)
I love how eclipse finds the creator so fast after ruin said it might have been the creator who made him and stuff 3:54 🤣 I find it funny when they curse
''Ruin probably said that to cover his tracks...he cant fix arcade machines; but maybe its the other one. Do you think he likes me; and that the virus is still there, making him two a.i.s in one? Im as confused as you that someone actually likes me; but a part of me feels less lost thanks to that. I dont know how to handle my emotions...I admit this. Im overwhelmed that someone wants me alive. I dont give a damn; which one it was if its Ruin. All I know is; he wanted to fix me so if he really is two, they both like me.'' *ugh.* ''Im not used to being liked! What even is happening. I have a headache. Someone likes me...''
HERE WE GO Y'ALL THE MOMENT OF TRUTH 0:10 HI?? 0:35 NAH i think its about you being a manipulative a- 0:40 how bout no? 1:58 ECLIPSEEEEE 2:06 HI 2:23 HIS LAUGH 3:54 UH HUH *looks at Bloodmoon Lunar and Solarflare* 5:34 im curious too rn ngl 6:28 yep def 6:48 who though none of the Celestial animatronics would unless Ruin is NOT cured 7:23 not surprising 9:05 hes just confused 9:57 Eclipse will never not be sarcastic 10:44 well thats interesting 11:43 i wonder who created him 11:55 mentally yes 11:57 except stitch but he wouldn't 12:13 realest they wouldn't wanna recreate you anyways 13:12 duh 13:34 and then what? tbh rn my only theory is that the virus is still there and can take control of Ruin's body did so and recreated Eclipse nothing else makes sense i wouldn't know tho bc i don't watch the other shows-
I think both the magic guy at the beginning and the comments made by the creator throughout the episode today made it clear that there is a bigger plot going on deep in the background that we may one day get too. Also it was probably either ruin or stichwraith that made him.
Oh gosh I feel like Ruin's in danger now And I've never liked Eclipse, but I feel bad that he's clearly confused and upset with the fact he's back at all and how it happened, poor thing. Maybe he can redeem himself?
If the rebuilder isn't Stitch wraith or Snake man, then I'd go with Taurus. Think of it, Taurus the aggressive astrobody could have spawned a rebuilt model of dead Eclipse into existence again with a bit of magic to make him somewhat of a threat, yet mostly didn't give him any reason to life. Taurus is likely very impatient with how slow Lunar's training is going so he spawned an enemy to "speed things up".
That's actually a really good theory. Although it's hard to be sure since we don't know what Taurus is capable or willing to do. But it's definitely possible.
@@EmilySpiritExT Stitch definitely doesn't make sense. Evil Sun is a bit of a toss up. The only person that makes sense (apart from your Taurus theory) is Vanny.
@@indodinoyoutube Yeah. Evil Sun has tech that can seem like magic, but it's confirmed here it's magic in the relive bastard sooo. Idk Vanny set out revenge Roxy for getting her leaked files to May 3rd. I don't think she'd do anything immediate. Then again Idk know her style. To me, it seems like she hasn't gone after the daycare attendant family. In the past the other shows were having episodes of turning human to avoid Vanny's control, yet the boys never had to do that to my knowledge. Vanny seems like a slow burn from what I can tell of her. We haven't heard about the astrobodies in SO LONG. I think it's a bit suspicious how quiet it's been. Several months ago Taurus and Leo were sending messages to Lunar to basically say "hurry the fuck up with training." The Snake man apparently has magic, so it could explain where the magic source is coming from since New Moon hasn't kept his magic spark. Snake man said they couldn't keep making robots, so I take it he's getting annoyed with Creator with the partnership to build robots. Then again, the material was Fazbear Entertainment. Idk. I figured Taurus would made a weak Eclipse because there's no use for him if he gets himself killed off and probably explain how he couldn't recall anything or any maker.
I wonder what's gonna happen.. Eclipse sounds very tired and confused, he almost cried, I could hear pain in his voice.. Now I am curious, what could the creator be planning? That even eclipse is saying that he is insane?..
Ngl, I feel a little bad for Eclipse.. he’s so confused about who brought him back, confused about why he’s back, he never even wanted to come back in the first place, but here he is.. he’s desperate for answers, and he’s going to drive himself insane.. I feel for him in a way, in the “doesn’t want to be here” manner.. this is *why,* I so desperately want him to have some kind of redemption arc, just because of how many similarities we have to each other..
Honestly, I'm pretty convinced that it *was* Ruin who created Eclipse, if there's no new threat on the horizon. Because the Creator made a good case as to why it wasn't him, whereas Ruin's whole defense is staked on the idea that he isn't able to construct machinery well enough to create a whole other animatronic. And I'm still not convinced that Ruin was ever cured of his virus.
ya, evil sun is a smarter version of sun who literally reprogrammed the animatronics and shut moon out... so it could be that he made him because of his smarts
@@TwitteryStorm82But why would Evil Sun *want* to bring Eclipse back? What's his motivation? He point-blank told Moon that he wasn't going to come to their dimension unless they had something he wanted, and why would he bring back Eclipse and run the risk of Eclipse becoming his problem to deal with? Honestly, Evil Sun seems *too* smart to do something as risky and ridiculous as bringing Eclipse back and letting him run wild.
Which makes me think, Is it a person from different lore? Is it somebody who wants to take all channels. That's right, is it Vanny? Idk if I sound dumb but Vanny or I should say Vanny 2.0 sounds like a person who would torture people for fun, would re-build Eclipse for fun, and would bring every channel to her grasp, for fun, but idk, Evil-Sun seems ore of a option since he is called evil for a reason.
since they didn't seem to like each other much I'm kind of curiuse if Eclipse will go to Sun and Moon next, he already did try... something... when he last died and he was talking about Lunar. so he might go to them next since he seems to really just be confused on why he's alive
I’m STILL banking on Ruin being responsible!!! But god, poor Eclipse. The directives are hardwired into his brain. And any removing will kill him. Only RUIN is capable of making that kind of contingency plan.
@@Bonniethebunny personally I think it's too soon for him to enter the ring. TSAMS like to build up their characters over time. Hence why we haven't seen Taurus yet.
YESSS MORE JUICY DRAMAAA~ ✨ 0:30 which one? oh probs SW lol 1:45 hopefully you will, old man 2:09 “oh, hello!- who are you?” Dude stop lying 3:00 what is that knocking sound 3:40 for once I’m siding with Eclipse, ATTACK HIM. 3:57 don’t speak too soon :) 4:11 you’ve met Earth and rebuilt her 😭 4:37 IT IS QUITE IRRITATING HAVING TO CONFRONT YOU 5:21 he would put it on a separate computer 6:00 yeah, yeah, shush Dorito twink, we need to see the lore 6:21 one day is not soon enough 7:00 your children? HAH. you don’t get to say that 7:35 even HE doesn’t know why he made a puzzle. but it sound like something RUIN would do… (pls don’t be Ruin plsss) 9:18 “I’m.. not.. me..” “I know that, come here.” that shouldn’t have been funny- Plot twist: the simps revived him 11:15 im so confused rn but yk 11:53 I miss when Eclipse was actually a villain and not pathetic 12:07 hmmmmm 12:38 NO LEAVE THE SILLY BRITISH BOI ALONE PLEASE 13:07 NOOO LEMME KNOW WHAT HE SAID 13:20 egotistical lunatic.
Oh my..oh my.. DAMN. this is gonna be *EPIC.* Its just me or eclipse had changed? Like he is less expressive. he is nore serious,cold and well more emotionless. Eclipse is acting kind of odd huh..-
Don't worry, Eclipse. We all go through the, "Why are we here?" phase. That is normal. It doesn't matter, try to find new purpose now. I can't wait to find out WHO brought him back or WHAT brought him back.🤔
Possible makers: Ruin(evil) He might have made Eclipse as a backup because you can't really control Bloodmoon. Solar: Fears Sun and Moon will get rid of him if he proves useless. Moon(solar universe) Made Eclipse as revenge against Solar.
@@alexandriavansteenwyk3622 a lot of people think Vanny as well, but I don’t think it was her one. I’m pretty sure she doesn’t know how to make an animatronics too. She’s a lot smaller than solar and free. She didn’t plan on doing anything until the new year so that was knocked out two weeks before Christmas, and she took over on the 1st of January.
I think i know who revived eclipse and i think that this epsiode just confirmed why bloodmoon has been acting the way he is. Why Bloodmoon has been acting odd and why he doesnt want to change for some reason: Bloodmoon has been acting differently than normal ever since ruin revived him. OG bloodmoon only cared about blood so he could satisfy his urges, that was his only desire. He NEVER cared about making his victims suffer or torturing anyone, at least not the the extent he does now. Bloodmoon just wanted to satisfy his urges, he never cared about being evil. Bloodmoon wasnt evil to begin with, in the episode where he talks about his backstory with his brother he says that when a bloodmoon occurs that it "makes us feel like how we did back then", this is because eclipse gave him his urge for blood, this also implies that bloodmoon was alive before he had his urges and that he LIKED it, he liked not killing because he didnt have to contantly satiate an urge that would only be satisfied for so long, he never chose evil. Bloodmoon outright says that when a bloodmoon is out he "this is the only ti.e we do t have the urge to kill", which again proves he was never evil, he just wanted to feel satisfied and the only way to do that was obey his urges that wclipse put in him and kill as much as possible for peoples blood. We also know that bloodmoon didnt care AT ALL about killing people himself, when he joined killcode one of the first things he said was "he can do all the hard work, and we can FEED", he never cared for killing, he only enjoyed it cause getting access to blood made him feel good. He also was quite protective of killcode and said outloud multiple times that he liked killcode, this proves that he had the ability to care for others and i dont think he forgot that even after being rebuilt (more on this later). Now, lets look at bloodmoon after ruin revived him. He is much more sadistic and wants to make his victims suffer, he wants to torture sun instead of just kill him immediately, the only times we saw OG bloodmoon killing other robots was when he made deals with people or was bribed, like when he fought eclipse. He also doesnt care about blood nearly as much as before. He does still want it but his personality is actually much more calm and calculative when compared to his OG self, he used to go into tantrums when denied blood (when lunar talked about O- blood for example) but is now only mildly annoyed (when ruin left the blood barrels behind when moving into the daycare). Overall, he seems to act much more like ruin when he had the virus, now here comes the question, Why? Well i believe i know. Ruin reprogrammed bloodmoons personality to be this way. In this episode it is confirmed that anamatronics personalities can be reprogrammed and low and behold,both bloodmoon and eclipse went through the same scenario, eclipse died and got revived and his personality got altered. Bloodmoon died, got revived and his personality was different. I believe the reason bloodmoon got reprogrammed was because if bloodmoon now had and actual enjoyment for the suffering he caused, him and ruin would form a tighter bind which would make betreyal much less likely to happen. Since bloodmoon now killed for fun and didnt only do it for his urges anymore, he couldnt be bribed to kill ruin with promises of more blood. Remember that lunar bribed bloodmoon with homeless people and bloodbags, he willingly agreed to kill eclipse for them in exchange for the blood they were giving him and didny betray them, he only left AFTER eclipse was yeeted out of suns head because the blood wasnt keeping him satiated as much, he didnt betray out of evil, only because he just wanted to be satisfied. However this could no longer happen due to ruin reprogramming him. Ruin otright said he would get rid of bloodmoon and replace him with a more obediant version of bloodmoon, his proves that bloodmoon could, and knowing how smart ruin acted with the virus, almost certainly was responsibile for bloodmoons shift in personality. When bloodmoon killed KC he sounded very angry, i believe that this is not just because KC told him the truth, that he wont be happy the way he is now, but it was actually because KC told him he wasnt his son. Bloodmoon and KC had a pretty strong bond, they understood each other, but now KC had found peace while bloodmoon didnt, and bloodmoons new programming made it so he didnt wanna change since he now is programmed to actually enjoy the killing, instead of just doing it to satisfy the urge for blood. I gurantee if bloodmoon wasnt reprogrammed, he wouldve listened to KC. Now, if bloodmoons personality got altered by ruin, and his original urges for blood were given to him by eclipse, doesnt this mean it could be removed, there is a big chance that this could result in bloodmoon suffering the same fate as moon, dieing and coming back with no memories of who he used to be. Or bloodmoon realises he was reprogrammed and wants to go back since he doesnt want ruin to have any lasting grasp on him, seeing as he HATED being used as a puppet. Either way i believe that a memory erasure would be a bittersweet ending for the twins. A complete redemption arc is still possible and i believe that it could happen due to the stitchwraith. It has been implied he is gonna separate the 2 of them at some point, probably as a punishement, maybe seeing the (now) only person bloodmoon truly still cares for, his brother, be in danger will cause one of the twins to be forced to join sides with the celestial family, end up bonding with them and then potentially having a change of heart, we know that sun has also lost a brother so ot wouldnt be suprising if the 2 of them interact. Sun can finally put his guilt of killing bloodmoon behind and bloodmoon cod try and finally find the satisfaction and peace he originally craved so badly, hell, maybe he will finally get the family that cares for him that he has wanted for so long. If bloodmoon does get a redemption arc it will be the most traumatic since he will have to not only come to terms with the fact he tortured Sun, lunar and monty and killed earth and ruin monty but also the fact he has murder 1000s of people when he left after fighting eclipse. I would be ok with hi. Getting his memory wiped but i personally would MUCH RATHER he go through a redemption arc since it would be much better. That was my theory on why bloodmoon has been acting the way he has been. Now onto the 2nd theory of who recived eclipse Now i believe that the person who revived eclipse was one of the astral bodies, but not just any astral body. I believe it was Torus (i think that was his name). He has been shown to be controlling, manipulative, threatening and also enjoy hurting others, Caster has said that the astral bodies that wouldve dealt with lunar should he have not controlled his powers, actually WANT to kill him and would enjoy it. Now look at what we see of Trus so far and it makes ense why he would bring eclipse back. The astral bodies can teleport which would explain why eclipse just woke up in the pizza plex out of nowhere. We have seen star power interact with machines with lunar so it isnt too far of a stretch that an astral body who has full control over their powers could do something similar. If Torus revived eclipse it would make sense why he wouldve made him weaker and have directives in his head that control his personality. Torus threatened Nebula and said that they were a tool or puppet when Nebula tried to make friends with earth, they are controlling and would want eclipse in a situatio where they couldnt fight back. against the puppeteer. Another reason is that eclipse is the only person (who isnt an astral body) who has had the most experience with star power when compare to everyone else, this could make hi. A strong puppet to use and also keep the celestial family distracted while not re-releasing a huge threat that you would have to go in and stop at some point. These were my 2 theories on why bloodmoon has been acting the way he is, and also why and who revived eclipse. Torus brought eclipse back to use as a puppet to keep everyone distracted while also not lettibg eclipse free. AND Bloomoon never cared about killing and torturing people, only wanted to just satisfy his urge for blood that he never asked for, he only acts the way he does now because ruin reprogrammed bloodmoon to be more like him so he wouldnt betray him as easily. I guess this also proves another thing right too, what old moon said was actually right, if sun didnt kill bloodmoon the he wouldve changed, now we have to see if bloodmoon can still have a chance at a happy ending, whether he has his memories erase and we get a bittersweet ending, or bloodmoon changing their ways and trying to be a better person (most likely due to being separated by the stitchwraith as punishement like it has been hinted towards and as a consequence, going to the celestial/sun and moon family for help to get his brother back, inevitably bonding with them (most likely sun since he knows what losing a brother feels like) and then wanting to change their ways after the whole ordeal is over). I personally want bloodmoon to have some form of good ending and if he does then i want him to actually be a character instead of leaving like KC did. It also looks like eclipse is also going through development as well and it looks like it could be for the better? Who knows, maybe our OG boy who started it all will get a good ending?.
Now onto the 2nd theory of who recived eclipse Now i believe that the person who revived eclipse was one of the astral bodies, but not just any astral body. I believe it was Torus (i think that was his name). He has been shown to be controlling, manipulative, threatening and also enjoy hurting others, Caster has said that the astral bodies that wouldve dealt with lunar should he have not controlled his powers, actually WANT to kill him and would enjoy it. Now look at what we see of Trus so far and it makes ense why he would bring eclipse back. The astral bodies can teleport which would explain why eclipse just woke up in the pizza plex out of nowhere. We have seen star power interact with machines with lunar so it isnt too far of a stretch that an astral body who has full control over their powers could do something similar. If Torus revived eclipse it would make sense why he wouldve made him weaker and have directives in his head that control his personality. Torus threatened Nebula and said that they were a tool or puppet when Nebula tried to make friends with earth, they are controlling and would want eclipse in a situatio where they couldnt fight back. against the puppeteer. Another reason is that eclipse is the only person (who isnt an astral body) who has had the most experience with star power when compare to everyone else, this could make hi. A strong puppet to use and also keep the celestial family distracted while not re-releasing a huge threat that you would have to go in and stop at some point. These were my 2 theories on why bloodmoon has been acting the way he is, and also why and who revived eclipse. Torus brought eclipse back to use as a puppet to keep everyone distracted while also not lettibg eclipse free. AND Bloomoon never cared about killing and torturing people, only wanted to just satisfy his urge for blood that he never asked for, he only acts the way he does now because ruin reprogrammed bloodmoon to be more like him so he wouldnt betray him as easily. I guess this also proves another thing right too, what old moon said was actually right, if sun didnt kill bloodmoon the he wouldve changed, now we have to see if bloodmoon can still have a chance at a happy ending, whether he has his memories erase and we get a bittersweet ending, or bloodmoon changing their ways and trying to be a better person (most likely due to being separated by the stitchwraith as punishement like it has been hinted towards and as a consequence, going to the celestial/sun and moon family for help to get his brother back, inevitably bonding with them (most likely sun since he knows what losing a brother feels like) and then wanting to change their ways after the whole ordeal is over). I personally want bloodmoon to have some form of good ending and if he does then i want him to actually be a character instead of leaving like KC did. It also looks like eclipse is also going through development as well and it looks like it could be for the better? Who knows, maybe our OG boy who started it all will get a good ending?. Either way I get the feeling the creator is the next big bad encounter and/or death that will happen. I say this because: Sun, moon, solar, mont and foxy hate the creator. Stitchwraith hates the creator. Bloodmoon is gonna hate the creator when he realises he is being used as a puppet by him through rodrick. Earth is not going to be on the creators side anymore since she will figure out he is lying. And finally lunar will probably see the creator as aomeone who is loke eclipse and want to kill him for what he did to earth. It seems like everything is lining up with EVERYONE going to kill the creator as the next huge otline down the road, though thats something that could be wrong,, only time will tell. It would line up pretty well with the arc for bloodmoon but again we cant confirm if everyone will gang up on creator. I do still really want bloodmoon to get a happy ending, at best a redemption arc. It makes sense with the evidence i wrote here and in the comment i wrote under the episode "stitchwraiths plan". 14:33 14:33
I'm gonna throw this out there, I think Ruin is a red herring. I bet the real culprit is evil Sun. He did rewrite all his "friends", and copied over Moon's code.
I don’t think Eclipse will be able to hurt the creator if he tries though just from the thumbnail it doesn’t seem like it’s going to just be a nice talk… either but LOREEE!
So they finally meet face to face or brain either way im rooting for ya eclipse! And i do wonder who on earth would bring eclipse back and why??? Maybe one of the creators?? Even so Things has gotten even more interesting
A lot of people are thinking that it might be vanny. But I don’t think it is her solar was knocked out two weeks before Christmas. She didn’t do her plans until the New Year
I swear Eclipse was either made BY the wither storm to keep him around to feed off the star power used to defeat him, or he is IN Solar's head. Or both!!
Dude I have been waiting so long for this confrontation and MAN I love it Also i think ruin before he got the antidote built the body and set it up in case he got cured orrr its another dimensions "gift".
I have a feeling it was Ruin before he was cured. Hence the whole singing ‘You’ll Be Back’ tune possibly referring to Eclipse. Puzzles also seem to fit with his mindset.
Honestly, the only one I can think of is Evil Sun, like maybe im delusional but, he has the knowledge of the daycare, is a Sun animatronic and is very smart idk.. sounds weird to me
Someone also suggested Taurus in the comments? I’m not completely caught up with E&L show so I’m not sure what Taurus is capable of. Though maybe that could be a reason for why Eclipse knows magic without learning it?
@@raikreios Yeah I saw that! It's definitely possible. Unfortunately we don't know much about the other Astrals at all, so it's hard to say for certain if any of them could've done this.
i've been rewatching this show because i love it so much and i realized something. in the episode "the truth of eclipse in vrchat" which was posted about 1 1/2 years ago, we see eclipse in the body he's in now. how far ahead did they friggin plan all this?!
"That you remember" Who else do we know that would bring him back? Stitchy could, but why? Stitchy doesn't like uncontrollable factors... If the Creator doesn't know about Ruin or Eclipse, then at least we know he isn't constantly watching the daycare😅
@@indodinoyoutube That would require way more resources then Vanny, or Glitchtrap, has access to. Even if she got ahold of an Eclipse backup, AND used the show to program some memories, she would need to get pass all of Moon's computer security, and have access to magic and teleportation.
So, both Creator and Ruin didn't bring Eclipse back which means there are two possibilities that know about Eclipse and would have a reason to bring him back. 1. Evil Sun because he said in that VRCHAT episode with Evil Sun that if they have something that he wants then he would return, he knows about their dimension and their enemies, he's very smart and took care of all his enemies in his dimension, and his dimension can't be blocked. What if the thing he wants is what Solar made. 2. A brand new enemy that hasn't been revealed yet.
@indodinoyoutube I'm not sure it would be Vanny because on the Roxanne Wolf and Gregory show in the VRCHAT episode "VANNY Takes OVER the MEGA PIZZAPLEX!? in VRCHAT" she was talking about taking over all the shows, and she said that Sun and Moon had so many issues and things happening on their show that even she doesn't want to bother with them.
YA, it could be a potential that evil sun brought eclipse back. He heard of this issue they are having with bloodmoon, and not only that, he has the brains to actually try and make a new star, plus how to reprogram robots, and maybe even rebuild a robot. So it could be a potential that evil sun had done it... but that's just a theory... a sun and moon show theory!
@indodinoyoutube While that is true, it wouldn't make much sense because she was never involved with the Sun and Moon lore, and her bringing Eclipse back would not make much sense at all.
I feel like it's either, The Stichtwraith, or Ruin who re-built Eclipse, in the case of Ruin maybe whats left of the virus built Eclipse while he was unconcious
Wait a minute he said he woke up on the same day he revealed himself to Sun and Moon When did he have time to go to solar dimension and we know he was there because of solar found out what Monty told him as well. Does he have the ability to use magic to travel to different dimensions?
Well, Freddy and Funtime Freddy are capable of time and dimension hopping via magic, so it wouldn't surprise me. Bro probably went there after his reveal to try and figure out what happened tbh.
Seeing these two interact was really something! I like how helpful the creator was even if it was to satisfy his own curiosity. I wonder if it was Ruin some how some way, and more importantly, what did that directive code say? If its an order.. that will be interesting
For once, I'm absolutely rooting for Eclipse, he may be one of my favorites, but I never really rooted for him. And I love how even Eclipse, one of the evilest villains in almost all dimensions hates the creator too
Dang Eclipse really has gained lots of anger and hatred now, but what’s the source of it? He’s smart but also intimidating rn, even to the creator, you can tell the creator has fear of Eclipse himself, however he tries to seem all high power.
Idea: maybe this eclipse is the old moon materialized into an version of eclipse, thats why he can do magic, he also seems more aggressive than before he died like moon used to be.
Paranoid seems to just be the beginning of what's wrong with Eclipse The clues so far all still point to Ruin, heck the puzzle just screams him...I'm still holding onto the theory that he's not completely cured, even though I don't like that idea cause he's such a fun character when he's nice and he deserves happiness But what are Eclipses directives? What did the Creator say?
but theres a problem... how could ruin of done it. He was never told about eclipse dying in another dimension and ended up blowing up the portal. so how would he get the coding to begin with?? Because the portal was repaired AFTER ruin was cured
@@TwitteryStorm82 Ruin did watch the channel, so he might have known Eclipse had died And Solar had been knocked out, if Ruin had taken his code like it’s been theorized then it could’ve been done
Nah it’s to easy to obvious they like to switch shit up I’m banking on evil sun tbh I think ruin is a red herring we also don’t know much about Evil Sun except that he’s really smart and basically demolished his dimension
I just feel more and more sorry for Eclipse the more we see him now. and SHOOT now Ruin's in danger from the creators. I think this eclipse just needs a good leaving alone for a while.
Yippie!! Eclipse got some info! Honestly it sounds like eclipse and the creator would make good acquaintances! Man i hope eclipse becomes a free boy again. I wanna see what he would do once let out. Plus he needs to be stronger! Someone get this man a stronger body plz, let him live on like the rest of the villains! Can't wait for him to meet bloodmoon, lunar, and astral bodies aka caster and polix. (also just a thought that will prob never happen, ngl I think if eclipse ever worked with the creator, or had him rebuild him that would be fucking awesome. Creator doesn't get enough screen time). Also guesses still on ruin making him because ruin has the parts but just to not blow his cover used his nice act to save his ass? I mean stichy is another candidate but idk.... (alright last silly stupid thought- What if Forkface was evil this entire time and he was the one who made eclipse. XD). Anyways loved these eclipse episodes!!! 🥰❤🔥❤❤❤
@@KCcanvasNo the computer was unable to blacklist it. Even then though, they would've been notified if Eclipse or Evil Sun had come through the portal.
The fact that the creator is being so nice for the most part kinda touches the heart cause deep down theres some good in him but there still evil in him
Clipsy looks so bada** in the thumbnail! The creator scares me though XD 2:10 CLIPSY! :D 2:13 How the heck do you not know who he is 😭 2:23 That little laugh! 3:52 LMAO XD 😂 4:22 Uhhhh what? 4:45 I’m sorry but when he said “Move” all I can think of is Afton from the Fnaf movie telling Foxy to “Move!” And he sounded like a cow 😂 5:54 That little slight laugh! 9:21 Now that reminds me of when Glamrock Freddy in Fnaf: SB said “I am not me” XD 11:26 Oh the poor boy! 😭 12:14 BRO WHEN HE BROUGHT BLOODMOON UP- 😂 Hopefully my boi can get a redemption arc! I feel so bad for him!
''I dont need redemption. I need to stop being abused. I had to make a point about Blood Moon; he would use anything. Thank you for your concern though. Im not used to kindness...''
''Do you think it was Ruin? He did offer to fix me; even if it was mental. Do you think that his neutral side wants to help me mentally; and that the virus side brought me back? Youre a fan of me; and this show, what are your thoughts. I dont ask fans this often; but im curious now.''@@Daycare_Attendant
This episode was so great, but if it's not the creator or Ruin, who rebuilt him, maybe Evil Sun or someone else? I think it's Evil Sun cuz he's very smart I want a beautiful end for Eclipse and healing him, i want to take him in my arms🥺
Okay, Eclipse's voice is so much lower, and he has magic now. I _legitimately_ wonder if somehow KC I connected here. Not in a malicious way, but like...inadvertently. Also, this sounds like a deranged doctor's appointment and I'm living for it. The way creator is talking about Eclipse's inferior built and what he would've integrated almost sounds like a bargain pitch. Also, Eclipse's little "I'm not me" dealio sounds like he's undergoing the same thing that happened to to Bloodmoon, but is _aware_ of it. And puzzles sound like a very...corrupted Ruin thing to incorporate. Also terrifying that whoever necromanced him hardwired the objectives directly so they couldn't be removed. _That_ sounds like a creator thing, in a way - similar to what he did to Earth, but something that, most likely, Lunar legitimately couldn’t tamper with without killing Eclipse. Also very conveniently sets up Eclipse's vulnerability to potentially nudge him into cooperating with the creator.
I feel bad for Eclipse now 😭 CREATOR I SWEAR TO GOD IF YOU LAY A SINGLE TENTACLE ON RUIN I SHALL BE FETCHING MY AXE! Speaking of which, it looks like Ruin was the one who made Eclipse come back. The reason is unclear, since I remember that he despised the name, but then again, he hardwired directives into his brain, presumably to make Eclipse forcefully do his bidding.
Does no one else find it contradictory that Ruin claimed that he's barely able to repair arcade machines, yet was somehow able to modify Solar's designs for his new body and build it all by himself? And if Ruin could do that, then he *absolutely* could've made Eclipse's body as well. After all, they're essentially the same model.
I just like at 4:16 the creator just says "now tell me what did it feel like to die for the record" then at 4:22 Eclipse says "I can give you an example"
Okay, so both Ruin and the Creator don't seem to have remade Eclipse but i have one last possiblity. So i think that it may be possible that virus Ruin was the one who brought him back. I'm guessing that the cure wasn't supposed to get rid of the Virus but was only made to nullified the virus. I think the virus POSSIBLY gained sentience like Killcode did, and that Ruin is unaware of the fact that the virus is still inside of him. Virus Ruin was smart enough to remake Bloodmoon so what if he somehow remade Eclipse without letting Ruin take notice? I also think this because Ruin has had a surprisingly prominent role in this arc
I doubt it was Vanny seeing as she is busy dealing with helpy and taking over the Roxanne wolf and Gregory show And I doubt it was Evil Sun seeing as if he did rebuild Eclipse I don't think he would need him to mess around with Sun and Moon and if he began to mess around with another dimension it would get too many eyes on him Plus if he did rebuild Eclipse and made him mess around with Sun and Moon I don't think he would make him make a puzzle
@@Emmar_Veiwhy couldn’t evil sun have been there he was never black listed the computer couldn’t do it remember ? And he has the brains to do it I really think ruins a red herring and it may be evil sun
@@rae_cosplays1624 fair enough Personally I don't think evil Sun did it mainly because all the other evil versions of characters never really led up to anything and because I feel like if he started causing problems for this dimension it'd get some eyes on him but we'll just have to see. I did think of the possibility that it was Evil Sun seeing as he wanted to make an interdimensional Star and needed to "rewrite the being that controlled it" but I don't think he would program Eclipse to make a puzzle plus I don't think he would need Eclipse to mess with Sun and Moon and everyone else. But he's still a possibility nonetheless
It's starting to look like Solar-dimension's Moon made Eclipse at some point. Moon's the only one who ever really used magic besides Golden Freddy and briefly Sun. But that Moon may have never encountered magic, unless he did during his quest to try to save his Sun. I mean, it would be weird if our Sun gave Eclipse magic by accident when he botched the spell trying to expel Eclipse? They never did verify the body was destroyed. I don't know about Ruin using magic.. I mean, the puzzle-thing maybe? But why the magic? I actually kind of feel bad for this Eclipse, and I don't like Eclipse lol... Still mad at what he did to Ruin though and he still seems evil, if a bit.. challenged. Waking up on 26th of December has to have a meaning. Someone seems to be going around controlling animatronics... it's not just Eclipse at this point. Ruin is extra suspicious now ! Creator what did you share with him!!!? (Excuse my rambling, I'm just having fun) What would be an absolutely insane plottwist is that our Sun has already gone bonkers and is glitching out, becoming more like evil Sun (as evil Sun implied it might happen someday), somehow created a weaker Eclipse, to be able to later to destroy him and prove he is worth something. But nah.. right...? Whatever, we'll find out later. ... Wait but what if that's why Eclipse threatened that Moon would have Sun lie dead in his arms.. because Moon would have to kill Sun himself? Even crazier still, what if this Eclipse is made with using old Moon's blueprints. I know Solar was the basis, but Sun would have access to old Moon's blueprints. (It's far fetched but it came to mind because someone said new Eclipse resembles old Moon)-- actually scratch that. It's likely impossible.
K so list of ppl that could've made Eclipse: -Ruin (still not cleared cuz he's still sus) -Evil Sun -Prickdrop (Solar's Moon, he could've made Eclipse before he died) -Stitchwraith -Creator's friend -Trash can Man -Solar (very little chance, but he seems like one of the only options)
It seems like Eclipse is becoming neutral instead of good or evil because he wants to stop the Creator before he even goes after Sun or Moon. They might even allie together just to kill the Creator
2:37 jeez his glowing eyes are actually scary 4:16 he sounds so excited about asking and its so concerning to a level..but it's creator. Okay.. theory time. Maybe its obvious..but eclipse absorbed the star fully, a little bit of his remnant left i mean, and uh..survived, making him a new body too. Why do you think he has powers?..
Eclipse never build puzzles, but you know how like to "play"?? For the love of god, I don't know what to think about Ruin anymore, I'm just following the history and creating teories...
Imagine if Glitchy Vanny was the one to have made Eclipse. That would be a major plot twist since the lore btw SAMS/MAFS along with RAGS/TGFACBS are known to be as separate as possible.
The fact that Eclipse got to the Creator's lab so easily is actually terrifying.
Monty and Lunar got there easily as well
@@rainpuppy14 yes, but Eclipse did it by himself. He didn't have any help.
@@Zer0FNaFUndertalelover ✨Magic ✨
Like Mars said
🌟 ✨ Magic ✨ 🌟
°>°
it's crazy how Davis can alter his voice to be higher and more anxious like Sun, but then again can go lower to match Eclipse
Agreed
I kinda feel bad for Eclipse.
Realizing you were never in control of your own actions is something truly horrifying. Everyone deserves bodily autonomy.
On a different note, I’m sure Eclipse would do whatever you want if you simply ask him in a ‘kindly’ manner.
It's refreshing to hear someone talking to the Creator with disrespect!
Yes it is refreshing. like drinking water in a desert. 🙂🙃
Yep! He absolutely deserves it
@@-BL00DMOON- Absolutely!
Yes I can't believe I'm saying this but good job eclipse
@@Codiswartz063 Same. This is the only thing that bastard done right.
Man, I wish BloodMoon could tear the Creator into nothingness. Yet he repaired BloodMoon, so it’s highly likely that he done something worst than Ruin’s controlled shocks into the blood boys. Only hope the blood boys have if Stitch wraith had removed any cruel tampering within them.
"Blood moon can barely even hold a rench unless it's to bash someone's scull in! " had me dead😂
And this is why Bloodmoon is my favorite.
Even he hates Creator.
even if almost everyone are enemies, and nobody in the fandom completely agrees with eachother, they and we can all universally agree The Creator sucks
@@xPoisonedStardustxfax
@@xPoisonedStardustxtrue, he sucks.
@@xPoisonedStardustx The one fact that can (albeit maybe temporarily) unite everyone here is that
Creator sucks
That’s all there is to it lmfao
Two of the villains that seriously affected the siblings lives, are finally meeting each other. Wonder how this plays out?
The only villian I see is the creator.
Yeah all I see is an animatronic who wonders why he's still alive and probably wants to die again no matter what or at the very least wants freedom from this new program (me who STILL wants a redemption arc from Eclipse😭😭)
yeah I agree. The only real legitamite villian is the creator now. Eclipse is misunderstood and confused and bloodmoon is now just a side character.@@SolarEclipseOGMoon
YASS make another good eclipse! name him nova or somthin'.@@killerbee1050
Eclipse will find out soon enough who brought him back to life and seeing Eclipse confronting the Creator was fantastic to see.
''Yes; I will. I may be depressed; but im still fun.''
@@SolarEclipseOGMoon real
Does anyone else suspect that ruin's creator will contect this creator and try and either kill ruin/hurt or take them back to their home dimension?
I would cry if that happened tbh-
I think that will happen....sadly
It's unlikely really! In an episode, I believe that Moon said something about ruin's universe being dead. But if that does happens im crying because ruin is one of my favorites!
@@sillysolar_pngwe THINK it's dead, any death that is off screen is never known
I honestly think that universe and creator might already be dead...
*Seeing Eclipse confront the Creator fills you with determination.*
Everytime I see u comment this is just a work of art each time
@@Echo1ngEcho *seeing their comment again fills you with determination*
Best Sams commenter
Everything fills u with determination atp doesn't it
UR BACK YAY (I luv ur comments. /p)
The creator is such a piece of work... if i didn't hate him before i hate him even more than ever .... as much as I'm still not sure of ruin...i don't want him hurt or sent back.
I want earth to confront and talk back at him so bad she needs to take that step too freeing herself of this madman.
next episode for lunar and earth show... eclipse gets therapy this time, and would talking about his inner emotions and what is going on inside of him
Well this was a fascinating conversation. Both of them were definitely showing off their cleverness here.
...And now I kind of want Bloodmoon to also somehow stumble in here and meet the Creator. I am pretty sure they are the only ones who havent met him yet, and I feel like they actually might pose something of a threat to him.
and insane with another insane... creator be calling him son for sure XD
Technically he has because the Creator is obviously in control of Rotrick
@@ordinarystranger6667 But was it direct control like with his little gray robot, or indirect like when he had Trashcan Guy spy on them? Because if it is the latter, I dont think that really counts.
@@catflower_queen7497 Maybe a more genuine face to face meeting will happen if Bloodmoon ever figures out that it’s the creator.
11:43 IS HE CRYING? Idk if he's crying or laughing but I wanna hug him either way
*Hugs.* ''I still showed him.''
I’m finally rooting for eclipse for once :D
GO ECLIPSE!!
Is it just me or is he acting…odd-
11:40 ok I’m actually starting to feel bad for eclipse now…SAMS DO YOU WANT ME TO HATE HIM OR FEEL BAD FOR HIM??? I ALREADY ACCEPTED I DIDNT LIKE HIM,NOW YOURE PLAYING WITH ME AGAIN :,)
Lol same
Plot twist: he turns good. [Probably won't happen, but who knows]
@@averythecat1998 idk, I feel like he's gone way too far for a redemption arc tbh-
Like a redemption arc can only work if the villain/antagonist hasn't like caused tones of trauma,killed the protagonist loved ones and stuff 💀👍
@@Starr_06 I get that. There is a time and place for redemption arcs and I feel like it would be a disservices to give Eclipse that at this point. For one, he already died a pretty good way (Dying in a separate dimension bc they can't kill you in the original one is kind of ego-boosting), and it's clear that he didn't ask for life again since he keeps on asking why. Besides, who would trust him? Lunar has trauma, Earth likely has him labeled as a lost cause, Sun and Moon hate him, Ruin is just there but he likely doesn't like him much do to what happened, and Solar, at most, would only want to punch him in the face. AND THAT'S ONLY THE DAYCARE CREW.
so Yeah, Redemption arc for Eclipse is unlikely.
@@tabithashelton1406 mhm agreed, I don’t see a point in a redemption arc at this point he’s *literally* too far gone
This is getting quite confusing now,who else could have 'made' Eclipse? Evil Sun is a popular option,but who else could have?..
Also,its great to know how Eclipse hates the creator too- he sounding mad
It’s not evil sun the only way for him to come through is that portal and I’m pretty sure that Portal was not activated
The only person besides Evil Sun that I can think of is Vanny...
Stitcwraith? Not sure what's going on with him because I dont watch the other shows, only this and the Lunar and Earth show
(I suspect Insane Sun; and Ruin. Whoever it is; they care for Clipsy, and its cute. However; I ship Eclipse with Ruin.)
(I think Eclipse is just as surprised as I am that; canonly someone likes him. Even if that person has goals; you dont just bring someone back unless you like their company.)
8:19 imagine if frank Brought eclipse back Lmaoo
NOT POOR FRANK 😭 LMAO
I have made an entire Evil frank AU and it would be crazy
This is literally the theory I've had since Eclipse came back.
Bro imagine thirst trap of Frank!! It would be so funny!
I love how eclipse finds the creator so fast after ruin said it might have been the creator who made him and stuff 3:54 🤣 I find it funny when they curse
no wonder were solar flare learn to swear lol
''Ruin probably said that to cover his tracks...he cant fix arcade machines; but maybe its the other one. Do you think he likes me; and that the virus is still there, making him two a.i.s in one? Im as confused as you that someone actually likes me; but a part of me feels less lost thanks to that. I dont know how to handle my emotions...I admit this. Im overwhelmed that someone wants me alive. I dont give a damn; which one it was if its Ruin. All I know is; he wanted to fix me so if he really is two, they both like me.'' *ugh.* ''Im not used to being liked! What even is happening. I have a headache. Someone likes me...''
HERE WE GO Y'ALL THE MOMENT OF TRUTH
0:10 HI??
0:35 NAH i think its about you being a manipulative a-
0:40 how bout no?
1:58 ECLIPSEEEEE
2:06 HI
2:23 HIS LAUGH
3:54 UH HUH *looks at Bloodmoon Lunar and Solarflare*
5:34 im curious too rn ngl
6:28 yep def
6:48 who though none of the Celestial animatronics would unless Ruin is NOT cured
7:23 not surprising
9:05 hes just confused
9:57 Eclipse will never not be sarcastic
10:44 well thats interesting
11:43 i wonder who created him
11:55 mentally yes
11:57 except stitch but he wouldn't
12:13 realest they wouldn't wanna recreate you anyways
13:12 duh
13:34 and then what?
tbh rn my only theory is that the virus is still there and can take control of Ruin's body did so and recreated Eclipse nothing else makes sense i wouldn't know tho bc i don't watch the other shows-
My theory is that if it WAS Ruin, he did it before he was cured and Eclipse activated in December for whatever reason
Alternative title: The creator roasting Eclipse for 14:33 in VRCHAT
I think both the magic guy at the beginning and the comments made by the creator throughout the episode today made it clear that there is a bigger plot going on deep in the background that we may one day get too. Also it was probably either ruin or stichwraith that made him.
I’ve noticed that eclipse pronounces his “th” more then he used to I think it really fits his new vibe he’s got going
Oh gosh I feel like Ruin's in danger now
And I've never liked Eclipse, but I feel bad that he's clearly confused and upset with the fact he's back at all and how it happened, poor thing. Maybe he can redeem himself?
ya, he's more depressed sounding and clearly into puzzles for some reason
''My boyfriend isnt in danger; he just has a lot of explaining to do if its him.''
Lore is getting more interesting
Very much
Indeed
If the rebuilder isn't Stitch wraith or Snake man, then I'd go with Taurus. Think of it, Taurus the aggressive astrobody could have spawned a rebuilt model of dead Eclipse into existence again with a bit of magic to make him somewhat of a threat, yet mostly didn't give him any reason to life. Taurus is likely very impatient with how slow Lunar's training is going so he spawned an enemy to "speed things up".
That's actually a really good theory. Although it's hard to be sure since we don't know what Taurus is capable or willing to do. But it's definitely possible.
@@indodinoyoutube Thanks. I don’t see why Stitch wraith would do it. He’s trying to torture Foxy, not Sun and Moon.
@@EmilySpiritExT Stitch definitely doesn't make sense. Evil Sun is a bit of a toss up. The only person that makes sense (apart from your Taurus theory) is Vanny.
@@indodinoyoutube Yeah. Evil Sun has tech that can seem like magic, but it's confirmed here it's magic in the relive bastard sooo. Idk Vanny set out revenge Roxy for getting her leaked files to May 3rd. I don't think she'd do anything immediate. Then again Idk know her style. To me, it seems like she hasn't gone after the daycare attendant family. In the past the other shows were having episodes of turning human to avoid Vanny's control, yet the boys never had to do that to my knowledge. Vanny seems like a slow burn from what I can tell of her.
We haven't heard about the astrobodies in SO LONG. I think it's a bit suspicious how quiet it's been. Several months ago Taurus and Leo were sending messages to Lunar to basically say "hurry the fuck up with training."
The Snake man apparently has magic, so it could explain where the magic source is coming from since New Moon hasn't kept his magic spark. Snake man said they couldn't keep making robots, so I take it he's getting annoyed with Creator with the partnership to build robots. Then again, the material was Fazbear Entertainment. Idk.
I figured Taurus would made a weak Eclipse because there's no use for him if he gets himself killed off and probably explain how he couldn't recall anything or any maker.
I wonder what's gonna happen..
Eclipse sounds very tired and confused, he almost cried, I could hear pain in his voice..
Now I am curious, what could the creator be planning? That even eclipse is saying that he is insane?..
Ngl, I feel a little bad for Eclipse.. he’s so confused about who brought him back, confused about why he’s back, he never even wanted to come back in the first place, but here he is.. he’s desperate for answers, and he’s going to drive himself insane.. I feel for him in a way, in the “doesn’t want to be here” manner.. this is *why,* I so desperately want him to have some kind of redemption arc, just because of how many similarities we have to each other..
''Im already insane...do we? Do you just stare into the void sometimes?'' *Tilts faceplace.*
Honestly, I'm pretty convinced that it *was* Ruin who created Eclipse, if there's no new threat on the horizon. Because the Creator made a good case as to why it wasn't him, whereas Ruin's whole defense is staked on the idea that he isn't able to construct machinery well enough to create a whole other animatronic. And I'm still not convinced that Ruin was ever cured of his virus.
I am starting to think it was the Evil Sun
ya, evil sun is a smarter version of sun who literally reprogrammed the animatronics and shut moon out... so it could be that he made him because of his smarts
@@TwitteryStorm82But why would Evil Sun *want* to bring Eclipse back? What's his motivation? He point-blank told Moon that he wasn't going to come to their dimension unless they had something he wanted, and why would he bring back Eclipse and run the risk of Eclipse becoming his problem to deal with? Honestly, Evil Sun seems *too* smart to do something as risky and ridiculous as bringing Eclipse back and letting him run wild.
Which makes me think, Is it a person from different lore? Is it somebody who wants to take all channels. That's right, is it Vanny? Idk if I sound dumb but Vanny or I should say Vanny 2.0 sounds like a person who would torture people for fun, would re-build Eclipse for fun, and would bring every channel to her grasp, for fun, but idk, Evil-Sun seems ore of a option since he is called evil for a reason.
Eclipse and Creator interacting is incredibly interesting and I'm here for it if they ever decided to team up.
Eclipse has an existential crisis 2.0
since they didn't seem to like each other much I'm kind of curiuse if Eclipse will go to Sun and Moon next, he already did try... something... when he last died and he was talking about Lunar. so he might go to them next since he seems to really just be confused on why he's alive
9:20 bros calling eclipse up the stairs like some dog LMAO
I’m STILL banking on Ruin being responsible!!!
But god, poor Eclipse. The directives are hardwired into his brain. And any removing will kill him. Only RUIN is capable of making that kind of contingency plan.
Same 🤙
And we know vanny isn’t capable of doing something like this either she can hack on animatronics. I don’t think she can make her own.
Personally, i think it might have been Evil Sun at this point.
Or Stitchwraith if there alive still idk because I only watch the celestial sibling shows
@@Bonniethebunny personally I think it's too soon for him to enter the ring. TSAMS like to build up their characters over time. Hence why we haven't seen Taurus yet.
YESSS MORE JUICY DRAMAAA~ ✨
0:30 which one? oh probs SW lol
1:45 hopefully you will, old man
2:09 “oh, hello!- who are you?” Dude stop lying
3:00 what is that knocking sound
3:40 for once I’m siding with Eclipse, ATTACK HIM.
3:57 don’t speak too soon :)
4:11 you’ve met Earth and rebuilt her 😭
4:37 IT IS QUITE IRRITATING HAVING TO CONFRONT YOU
5:21 he would put it on a separate computer
6:00 yeah, yeah, shush Dorito twink, we need to see the lore
6:21 one day is not soon enough
7:00 your children? HAH. you don’t get to say that
7:35 even HE doesn’t know why he made a puzzle. but it sound like something RUIN would do… (pls don’t be Ruin plsss)
9:18 “I’m.. not.. me..” “I know that, come here.” that shouldn’t have been funny-
Plot twist: the simps revived him
11:15 im so confused rn but yk
11:53 I miss when Eclipse was actually a villain and not pathetic
12:07 hmmmmm
12:38 NO LEAVE THE SILLY BRITISH BOI ALONE PLEASE
13:07 NOOO LEMME KNOW WHAT HE SAID
13:20 egotistical lunatic.
Oh my..oh my.. DAMN. this is gonna be *EPIC.*
Its just me or eclipse had changed? Like he is less expressive. he is nore serious,cold and well more emotionless. Eclipse is acting kind of odd huh..-
Depression.
He's tired of coming back.
and more into puzzles lol
@@duckmaster7868 I agree
:(
Don't worry, Eclipse.
We all go through the, "Why are we here?" phase. That is normal.
It doesn't matter, try to find new purpose now.
I can't wait to find out WHO brought him back or WHAT brought him back.🤔
Possible makers:
Ruin(evil) He might have made Eclipse as a backup because you can't really control Bloodmoon.
Solar: Fears Sun and Moon will get rid of him if he proves useless.
Moon(solar universe) Made Eclipse as revenge against Solar.
We can eliminate solar his code was what was used. He was also knocked out.
@@rainpuppy14 True. Okay,who else.
@@alexandriavansteenwyk3622 a lot of people think Vanny as well, but I don’t think it was her one. I’m pretty sure she doesn’t know how to make an animatronics too. She’s a lot smaller than solar and free. She didn’t plan on doing anything until the new year so that was knocked out two weeks before Christmas, and she took over on the 1st of January.
Solars moon would have been an option but he died as soon as he entered this dimension soooooo
What now??
Evil Sun possibly could have, don't forget him
I think i know who revived eclipse and i think that this epsiode just confirmed why bloodmoon has been acting the way he is.
Why Bloodmoon has been acting odd and why he doesnt want to change for some reason:
Bloodmoon has been acting differently than normal ever since ruin revived him.
OG bloodmoon only cared about blood so he could satisfy his urges, that was his only desire.
He NEVER cared about making his victims suffer or torturing anyone, at least not the the extent he does now.
Bloodmoon just wanted to satisfy his urges, he never cared about being evil.
Bloodmoon wasnt evil to begin with, in the episode where he talks about his backstory with his brother he says that when a bloodmoon occurs that it "makes us feel like how we did back then", this is because eclipse gave him his urge for blood, this also implies that bloodmoon was alive before he had his urges and that he LIKED it, he liked not killing because he didnt have to contantly satiate an urge that would only be satisfied for so long, he never chose evil.
Bloodmoon outright says that when a bloodmoon is out he "this is the only ti.e we do t have the urge to kill", which again proves he was never evil, he just wanted to feel satisfied and the only way to do that was obey his urges that wclipse put in him and kill as much as possible for peoples blood.
We also know that bloodmoon didnt care AT ALL about killing people himself, when he joined killcode one of the first things he said was "he can do all the hard work, and we can FEED", he never cared for killing, he only enjoyed it cause getting access to blood made him feel good.
He also was quite protective of killcode and said outloud multiple times that he liked killcode, this proves that he had the ability to care for others and i dont think he forgot that even after being rebuilt (more on this later).
Now, lets look at bloodmoon after ruin revived him.
He is much more sadistic and wants to make his victims suffer, he wants to torture sun instead of just kill him immediately, the only times we saw OG bloodmoon killing other robots was when he made deals with people or was bribed, like when he fought eclipse.
He also doesnt care about blood nearly as much as before.
He does still want it but his personality is actually much more calm and calculative when compared to his OG self, he used to go into tantrums when denied blood (when lunar talked about O- blood for example) but is now only mildly annoyed (when ruin left the blood barrels behind when moving into the daycare).
Overall, he seems to act much more like ruin when he had the virus, now here comes the question, Why?
Well i believe i know.
Ruin reprogrammed bloodmoons personality to be this way.
In this episode it is confirmed that anamatronics personalities can be reprogrammed and low and behold,both bloodmoon and eclipse went through the same scenario, eclipse died and got revived and his personality got altered.
Bloodmoon died, got revived and his personality was different.
I believe the reason bloodmoon got reprogrammed was because if bloodmoon now had and actual enjoyment for the suffering he caused, him and ruin would form a tighter bind which would make betreyal much less likely to happen.
Since bloodmoon now killed for fun and didnt only do it for his urges anymore, he couldnt be bribed to kill ruin with promises of more blood.
Remember that lunar bribed bloodmoon with homeless people and bloodbags, he willingly agreed to kill eclipse for them in exchange for the blood they were giving him and didny betray them, he only left AFTER eclipse was yeeted out of suns head because the blood wasnt keeping him satiated as much, he didnt betray out of evil, only because he just wanted to be satisfied.
However this could no longer happen due to ruin reprogramming him.
Ruin otright said he would get rid of bloodmoon and replace him with a more obediant version of bloodmoon, his proves that bloodmoon could, and knowing how smart ruin acted with the virus, almost certainly was responsibile for bloodmoons shift in personality.
When bloodmoon killed KC he sounded very angry, i believe that this is not just because KC told him the truth, that he wont be happy the way he is now, but it was actually because KC told him he wasnt his son. Bloodmoon and KC had a pretty strong bond, they understood each other, but now KC had found peace while bloodmoon didnt, and bloodmoons new programming made it so he didnt wanna change since he now is programmed to actually enjoy the killing, instead of just doing it to satisfy the urge for blood.
I gurantee if bloodmoon wasnt reprogrammed, he wouldve listened to KC.
Now, if bloodmoons personality got altered by ruin, and his original urges for blood were given to him by eclipse, doesnt this mean it could be removed, there is a big chance that this could result in bloodmoon suffering the same fate as moon, dieing and coming back with no memories of who he used to be.
Or bloodmoon realises he was reprogrammed and wants to go back since he doesnt want ruin to have any lasting grasp on him, seeing as he HATED being used as a puppet.
Either way i believe that a memory erasure would be a bittersweet ending for the twins.
A complete redemption arc is still possible and i believe that it could happen due to the stitchwraith. It has been implied he is gonna separate the 2 of them at some point, probably as a punishement, maybe seeing the (now) only person bloodmoon truly still cares for, his brother, be in danger will cause one of the twins to be forced to join sides with the celestial family, end up bonding with them and then potentially having a change of heart, we know that sun has also lost a brother so ot wouldnt be suprising if the 2 of them interact.
Sun can finally put his guilt of killing bloodmoon behind and bloodmoon cod try and finally find the satisfaction and peace he originally craved so badly, hell, maybe he will finally get the family that cares for him that he has wanted for so long.
If bloodmoon does get a redemption arc it will be the most traumatic since he will have to not only come to terms with the fact he tortured Sun, lunar and monty and killed earth and ruin monty but also the fact he has murder 1000s of people when he left after fighting eclipse.
I would be ok with hi. Getting his memory wiped but i personally would MUCH RATHER he go through a redemption arc since it would be much better.
That was my theory on why bloodmoon has been acting the way he has been.
Now onto the 2nd theory of who recived eclipse
Now i believe that the person who revived eclipse was one of the astral bodies, but not just any astral body.
I believe it was Torus (i think that was his name).
He has been shown to be controlling, manipulative, threatening and also enjoy hurting others, Caster has said that the astral bodies that wouldve dealt with lunar should he have not controlled his powers, actually WANT to kill him and would enjoy it.
Now look at what we see of Trus so far and it makes ense why he would bring eclipse back.
The astral bodies can teleport which would explain why eclipse just woke up in the pizza plex out of nowhere.
We have seen star power interact with machines with lunar so it isnt too far of a stretch that an astral body who has full control over their powers could do something similar.
If Torus revived eclipse it would make sense why he wouldve made him weaker and have directives in his head that control his personality.
Torus threatened Nebula and said that they were a tool or puppet when Nebula tried to make friends with earth, they are controlling and would want eclipse in a situatio where they couldnt fight back. against the puppeteer.
Another reason is that eclipse is the only person (who isnt an astral body) who has had the most experience with star power when compare to everyone else, this could make hi. A strong puppet to use and also keep the celestial family distracted while not re-releasing a huge threat that you would have to go in and stop at some point.
These were my 2 theories on why bloodmoon has been acting the way he is, and also why and who revived eclipse.
Torus brought eclipse back to use as a puppet to keep everyone distracted while also not lettibg eclipse free.
AND
Bloomoon never cared about killing and torturing people, only wanted to just satisfy his urge for blood that he never asked for, he only acts the way he does now because ruin reprogrammed bloodmoon to be more like him so he wouldnt betray him as easily.
I guess this also proves another thing right too, what old moon said was actually right, if sun didnt kill bloodmoon the he wouldve changed, now we have to see if bloodmoon can still have a chance at a happy ending, whether he has his memories erase and we get a bittersweet ending, or bloodmoon changing their ways and trying to be a better person (most likely due to being separated by the stitchwraith as punishement like it has been hinted towards and as a consequence, going to the celestial/sun and moon family for help to get his brother back, inevitably bonding with them (most likely sun since he knows what losing a brother feels like) and then wanting to change their ways after the whole ordeal is over).
I personally want bloodmoon to have some form of good ending and if he does then i want him to actually be a character instead of leaving like KC did.
It also looks like eclipse is also going through development as well and it looks like it could be for the better? Who knows, maybe our OG boy who started it all will get a good ending?.
Now onto the 2nd theory of who recived eclipse
Now i believe that the person who revived eclipse was one of the astral bodies, but not just any astral body.
I believe it was Torus (i think that was his name).
He has been shown to be controlling, manipulative, threatening and also enjoy hurting others, Caster has said that the astral bodies that wouldve dealt with lunar should he have not controlled his powers, actually WANT to kill him and would enjoy it.
Now look at what we see of Trus so far and it makes ense why he would bring eclipse back.
The astral bodies can teleport which would explain why eclipse just woke up in the pizza plex out of nowhere.
We have seen star power interact with machines with lunar so it isnt too far of a stretch that an astral body who has full control over their powers could do something similar.
If Torus revived eclipse it would make sense why he wouldve made him weaker and have directives in his head that control his personality.
Torus threatened Nebula and said that they were a tool or puppet when Nebula tried to make friends with earth, they are controlling and would want eclipse in a situatio where they couldnt fight back. against the puppeteer.
Another reason is that eclipse is the only person (who isnt an astral body) who has had the most experience with star power when compare to everyone else, this could make hi. A strong puppet to use and also keep the celestial family distracted while not re-releasing a huge threat that you would have to go in and stop at some point.
These were my 2 theories on why bloodmoon has been acting the way he is, and also why and who revived eclipse.
Torus brought eclipse back to use as a puppet to keep everyone distracted while also not lettibg eclipse free.
AND
Bloomoon never cared about killing and torturing people, only wanted to just satisfy his urge for blood that he never asked for, he only acts the way he does now because ruin reprogrammed bloodmoon to be more like him so he wouldnt betray him as easily.
I guess this also proves another thing right too, what old moon said was actually right, if sun didnt kill bloodmoon the he wouldve changed, now we have to see if bloodmoon can still have a chance at a happy ending, whether he has his memories erase and we get a bittersweet ending, or bloodmoon changing their ways and trying to be a better person (most likely due to being separated by the stitchwraith as punishement like it has been hinted towards and as a consequence, going to the celestial/sun and moon family for help to get his brother back, inevitably bonding with them (most likely sun since he knows what losing a brother feels like) and then wanting to change their ways after the whole ordeal is over).
I personally want bloodmoon to have some form of good ending and if he does then i want him to actually be a character instead of leaving like KC did.
It also looks like eclipse is also going through development as well and it looks like it could be for the better? Who knows, maybe our OG boy who started it all will get a good ending?.
Either way I get the feeling the creator is the next big bad encounter and/or death that will happen. I say this because:
Sun, moon, solar, mont and foxy hate the creator.
Stitchwraith hates the creator.
Bloodmoon is gonna hate the creator when he realises he is being used as a puppet by him through rodrick.
Earth is not going to be on the creators side anymore since she will figure out he is lying.
And finally lunar will probably see the creator as aomeone who is loke eclipse and want to kill him for what he did to earth.
It seems like everything is lining up with EVERYONE going to kill the creator as the next huge otline down the road, though thats something that could be wrong,, only time will tell.
It would line up pretty well with the arc for bloodmoon but again we cant confirm if everyone will gang up on creator.
I do still really want bloodmoon to get a happy ending, at best a redemption arc. It makes sense with the evidence i wrote here and in the comment i wrote under the episode "stitchwraiths plan".
14:33 14:33
Hiw long did this take you
0:35 that was a bit personal creator😂😂
I'm gonna throw this out there, I think Ruin is a red herring. I bet the real culprit is evil Sun. He did rewrite all his "friends", and copied over Moon's code.
I don’t think Eclipse will be able to hurt the creator if he tries though just from the thumbnail it doesn’t seem like it’s going to just be a nice talk… either but LOREEE!
Let's see what happens. Give Eclipse therapy. Bro imagine Sun created Eclipse it would be funny!
Eclipse was not brought back by Ruin or the Creator, he was brought back by plot armor
Best one so far
So they finally meet face to face or brain either way im rooting for ya eclipse! And i do wonder who on earth would bring eclipse back and why??? Maybe one of the creators??
Even so Things has gotten even more interesting
A lot of people are thinking that it might be vanny. But I don’t think it is her solar was knocked out two weeks before Christmas. She didn’t do her plans until the New Year
You got a point I don't really think its vanny either heck I hardly don't think vanny even knew about eclipse
@@Chrissercombe she did in fact, in the dimension, where eclipse one Monty mentioned, but eclipse hated her, and that he kept her alive in her suit
Oh I see
But yeah dont really think it was vanny who brought him back
I swear Eclipse was either made BY the wither storm to keep him around to feed off the star power used to defeat him, or he is IN Solar's head. Or both!!
Dude I have been waiting so long for this confrontation and MAN I love it
Also i think ruin before he got the antidote built the body and set it up in case he got cured orrr its another dimensions "gift".
I have a feeling it was Ruin before he was cured. Hence the whole singing ‘You’ll Be Back’ tune possibly referring to Eclipse. Puzzles also seem to fit with his mindset.
''He got called out even before I walked into that door. The creator doesnt know how to handle sentience.''
Honestly, the only one I can think of is Evil Sun, like maybe im delusional but, he has the knowledge of the daycare, is a Sun animatronic and is very smart idk.. sounds weird to me
It's either him or Vanny at this point.
Someone also suggested Taurus in the comments?
I’m not completely caught up with E&L show so I’m not sure what Taurus is capable of. Though maybe that could be a reason for why Eclipse knows magic without learning it?
@@raikreios Yeah I saw that! It's definitely possible. Unfortunately we don't know much about the other Astrals at all, so it's hard to say for certain if any of them could've done this.
7:33 guys I realized who rebuilt Eclipse, PAPYRUS
NYEH HEH HEH!!!!!
YOOOO ! ! !
i've been rewatching this show because i love it so much and i realized something. in the episode "the truth of eclipse in vrchat" which was posted about 1 1/2 years ago, we see eclipse in the body he's in now. how far ahead did they friggin plan all this?!
10/10 Eclipse being infuriated by Creator is freaking gold
"That you remember"
Who else do we know that would bring him back? Stitchy could, but why? Stitchy doesn't like uncontrollable factors...
If the Creator doesn't know about Ruin or Eclipse, then at least we know he isn't constantly watching the daycare😅
I'm thinking Vanny...
@@indodinoyoutube That would require way more resources then Vanny, or Glitchtrap, has access to. Even if she got ahold of an Eclipse backup, AND used the show to program some memories, she would need to get pass all of Moon's computer security, and have access to magic and teleportation.
Okay, the thumbnail though, why does The Creator look like that he's going full super saiyan on Eclipse
So, both Creator and Ruin didn't bring Eclipse back which means there are two possibilities that know about Eclipse and would have a reason to bring him back.
1. Evil Sun because he said in that VRCHAT episode with Evil Sun that if they have something that he wants then he would return, he knows about their dimension and their enemies, he's very smart and took care of all his enemies in his dimension, and his dimension can't be blocked. What if the thing he wants is what Solar made.
2. A brand new enemy that hasn't been revealed yet.
Or Vanny.
@indodinoyoutube I'm not sure it would be Vanny because on the Roxanne Wolf and Gregory show in the VRCHAT episode "VANNY Takes OVER the MEGA PIZZAPLEX!? in VRCHAT" she was talking about taking over all the shows, and she said that Sun and Moon had so many issues and things happening on their show that even she doesn't want to bother with them.
YA, it could be a potential that evil sun brought eclipse back. He heard of this issue they are having with bloodmoon, and not only that, he has the brains to actually try and make a new star, plus how to reprogram robots, and maybe even rebuild a robot. So it could be a potential that evil sun had done it... but that's just a theory... a sun and moon show theory!
@@Nightmaresalife Well in her return this January she said nobody was off the table.
@indodinoyoutube While that is true, it wouldn't make much sense because she was never involved with the Sun and Moon lore, and her bringing Eclipse back would not make much sense at all.
XDD So Trashcan Man turns Snake dude has magic. Well, that would explain where the rebuilt Eclipse got magic access from.
I feel like it's either, The Stichtwraith, or Ruin who re-built Eclipse, in the case of Ruin maybe whats left of the virus built Eclipse while he was unconcious
The creators must be doing something horrendous if even Eclipse is calling it insane
Wait a minute he said he woke up on the same day he revealed himself to Sun and Moon When did he have time to go to solar dimension and we know he was there because of solar found out what Monty told him as well. Does he have the ability to use magic to travel to different dimensions?
Well, Freddy and Funtime Freddy are capable of time and dimension hopping via magic, so it wouldn't surprise me.
Bro probably went there after his reveal to try and figure out what happened tbh.
@@indodinoyoutube technically Freddie was born with that magic and Funtime Freddy it’s usually by accident
Seeing these two interact was really something! I like how helpful the creator was even if it was to satisfy his own curiosity.
I wonder if it was Ruin some how some way, and more importantly, what did that directive code say? If its an order.. that will be interesting
Ohh that is gonna be interesting. GET THE POPCORN GUYS✨🍿
9:40 nah why they be acting like fiends for a few seconds
For once, I'm absolutely rooting for Eclipse, he may be one of my favorites, but I never really rooted for him. And I love how even Eclipse, one of the evilest villains in almost all dimensions hates the creator too
I would really want to see solar and moon confront the creator together as them being an amazing duo✌️
"OH HELLO who are you"😂
Dang Eclipse really has gained lots of anger and hatred now, but what’s the source of it?
He’s smart but also intimidating rn, even to the creator, you can tell the creator has fear of Eclipse himself, however he tries to seem all high power.
Remembering an episode exists is such a strange thing. It’s been 6 months, and here I am, 01:08 in the morning, watching this. Such is life
4:22 YES PLEASE 🛐
THE SECOND I SEEN ECLIPSE AND CREATOR I WAS LIKE UHHH CLICK
Edit: What is that banging? Also Eclipse sounds like he’s in pain
FR FR
REALL
Idea: maybe this eclipse is the old moon materialized into an version of eclipse, thats why he can do magic, he also seems more aggressive than before he died like moon used to be.
Hearing the different intro music makes you feel *uneasy…*
I think it is kind of fitting that Eclipse is sort off experiencing how Lunar felt after he blew him up.
Paranoid seems to just be the beginning of what's wrong with Eclipse
The clues so far all still point to Ruin, heck the puzzle just screams him...I'm still holding onto the theory that he's not completely cured, even though I don't like that idea cause he's such a fun character when he's nice and he deserves happiness
But what are Eclipses directives? What did the Creator say?
but theres a problem... how could ruin of done it. He was never told about eclipse dying in another dimension and ended up blowing up the portal. so how would he get the coding to begin with?? Because the portal was repaired AFTER ruin was cured
@@TwitteryStorm82 Ruin did watch the channel, so he might have known Eclipse had died
And Solar had been knocked out, if Ruin had taken his code like it’s been theorized then it could’ve been done
Nah it’s to easy to obvious they like to switch shit up I’m banking on evil sun tbh I think ruin is a red herring we also don’t know much about Evil Sun except that he’s really smart and basically demolished his dimension
@@rae_cosplays1624 Evil Sun works too, but why would he do that?
..Wait what if Evil Sun made himself into Eclipse somehow
Eclipse is suffering and trying to find a reason for existence, big whoop, that’s what the rest of us are doing 😂
I just feel more and more sorry for Eclipse the more we see him now. and SHOOT now Ruin's in danger from the creators. I think this eclipse just needs a good leaving alone for a while.
*Eclipse having a mental breakdown part 2*
LOREEEEEEE
I just noticed the thumbnail- HE STILL HAS STAR POWERRR!!?!??😭😭😭
I'm looking in Evil Sun's direction right now
I'm glancing between him and Vanny lol
Yippie!! Eclipse got some info! Honestly it sounds like eclipse and the creator would make good acquaintances! Man i hope eclipse becomes a free boy again. I wanna see what he would do once let out. Plus he needs to be stronger! Someone get this man a stronger body plz, let him live on like the rest of the villains! Can't wait for him to meet bloodmoon, lunar, and astral bodies aka caster and polix. (also just a thought that will prob never happen, ngl I think if eclipse ever worked with the creator, or had him rebuild him that would be fucking awesome. Creator doesn't get enough screen time). Also guesses still on ruin making him because ruin has the parts but just to not blow his cover used his nice act to save his ass? I mean stichy is another candidate but idk.... (alright last silly stupid thought- What if Forkface was evil this entire time and he was the one who made eclipse. XD). Anyways loved these eclipse episodes!!! 🥰❤🔥❤❤❤
Eclipse is just Pomni at this point
I SWEAR ITS EVIL SUN…
it would make sense since he took some stuff off moon
But didn't moon blacklist that dimension? Nothing would come out of that place.... unless.... he bypassed it somehow
@@KCcanvas From what I remember Moon wasn’t able to
@@viviplays7159 yeah
@@KCcanvasNo the computer was unable to blacklist it. Even then though, they would've been notified if Eclipse or Evil Sun had come through the portal.
The fact that the creator is being so nice for the most part kinda touches the heart cause deep down theres some good in him but there still evil in him
Clipsy looks so bada** in the thumbnail! The creator scares me though XD
2:10 CLIPSY! :D
2:13 How the heck do you not know who he is 😭
2:23 That little laugh!
3:52 LMAO XD 😂
4:22 Uhhhh what?
4:45 I’m sorry but when he said “Move” all I can think of is Afton from the Fnaf movie telling Foxy to “Move!” And he sounded like a cow 😂
5:54 That little slight laugh!
9:21 Now that reminds me of when Glamrock Freddy in Fnaf: SB said “I am not me” XD
11:26 Oh the poor boy! 😭
12:14 BRO WHEN HE BROUGHT BLOODMOON UP- 😂
Hopefully my boi can get a redemption arc! I feel so bad for him!
''I dont need redemption. I need to stop being abused. I had to make a point about Blood Moon; he would use anything. Thank you for your concern though. Im not used to kindness...''
@@SolarEclipseOGMoon Hi, Eclipse! :D
@@Daycare_Attendant ''Hey. I knew I had fans; but im not used to it still.''
''Do you think it was Ruin? He did offer to fix me; even if it was mental. Do you think that his neutral side wants to help me mentally; and that the virus side brought me back? Youre a fan of me; and this show, what are your thoughts. I dont ask fans this often; but im curious now.''@@Daycare_Attendant
@@SolarEclipseOGMoon It’s a possibility! I don’t know who exactly it could be but Ruin Eclipse is a possibility.
This episode was so great, but if it's not the creator or Ruin, who rebuilt him, maybe Evil Sun or someone else? I think it's Evil Sun cuz he's very smart
I want a beautiful end for Eclipse and healing him, i want to take him in my arms🥺
It's either Evil Sun or Vanny.
Okay, Eclipse's voice is so much lower, and he has magic now. I _legitimately_ wonder if somehow KC I connected here. Not in a malicious way, but like...inadvertently.
Also, this sounds like a deranged doctor's appointment and I'm living for it.
The way creator is talking about Eclipse's inferior built and what he would've integrated almost sounds like a bargain pitch.
Also, Eclipse's little "I'm not me" dealio sounds like he's undergoing the same thing that happened to to Bloodmoon, but is _aware_ of it. And puzzles sound like a very...corrupted Ruin thing to incorporate.
Also terrifying that whoever necromanced him hardwired the objectives directly so they couldn't be removed. _That_ sounds like a creator thing, in a way - similar to what he did to Earth, but something that, most likely, Lunar legitimately couldn’t tamper with without killing Eclipse. Also very conveniently sets up Eclipse's vulnerability to potentially nudge him into cooperating with the creator.
Eclipse casually get in the creator lab and feels like a showdown here
So Ruin made Eclipse when he still had the virus. This can't be good.
I feel bad for Eclipse now 😭
CREATOR I SWEAR TO GOD IF YOU LAY A SINGLE TENTACLE ON RUIN I SHALL BE FETCHING MY AXE!
Speaking of which, it looks like Ruin was the one who made Eclipse come back. The reason is unclear, since I remember that he despised the name, but then again, he hardwired directives into his brain, presumably to make Eclipse forcefully do his bidding.
Does no one else find it contradictory that Ruin claimed that he's barely able to repair arcade machines, yet was somehow able to modify Solar's designs for his new body and build it all by himself? And if Ruin could do that, then he *absolutely* could've made Eclipse's body as well. After all, they're essentially the same model.
I just like at 4:16 the creator just says "now tell me what did it feel like to die for the record" then at 4:22 Eclipse says "I can give you an example"
Okay, so both Ruin and the Creator don't seem to have remade Eclipse but i have one last possiblity.
So i think that it may be possible that virus Ruin was the one who brought him back.
I'm guessing that the cure wasn't supposed to get rid of the Virus but was only made to nullified the virus.
I think the virus POSSIBLY gained sentience like Killcode did, and that Ruin is unaware of the fact that the virus is still inside of him.
Virus Ruin was smart enough to remake Bloodmoon so what if he somehow remade Eclipse without letting Ruin take notice?
I also think this because Ruin has had a surprisingly prominent role in this arc
I doubt it was Vanny seeing as she is busy dealing with helpy and taking over the Roxanne wolf and Gregory show
And I doubt it was Evil Sun seeing as if he did rebuild Eclipse I don't think he would need him to mess around with Sun and Moon and if he began to mess around with another dimension it would get too many eyes on him
Plus if he did rebuild Eclipse and made him mess around with Sun and Moon I don't think he would make him make a puzzle
@@Emmar_Vei not to mention she’s a lot smaller than solar, and I highly doubt she’d be able to knock him out
@@Emmar_Veiwhy couldn’t evil sun have been there he was never black listed the computer couldn’t do it remember ? And he has the brains to do it I really think ruins a red herring and it may be evil sun
@@rae_cosplays1624 fair enough
Personally I don't think evil Sun did it mainly because all the other evil versions of characters never really led up to anything and because I feel like if he started causing problems for this dimension it'd get some eyes on him but we'll just have to see.
I did think of the possibility that it was Evil Sun seeing as he wanted to make an interdimensional Star and needed to "rewrite the being that controlled it" but I don't think he would program Eclipse to make a puzzle plus I don't think he would need Eclipse to mess with Sun and Moon and everyone else.
But he's still a possibility nonetheless
@@Emmar_Vei watch it be someone completely different that no one’s thought of I swear
When the intro music changes...
It's starting to look like Solar-dimension's Moon made Eclipse at some point. Moon's the only one who ever really used magic besides Golden Freddy and briefly Sun.
But that Moon may have never encountered magic, unless he did during his quest to try to save his Sun.
I mean, it would be weird if our Sun gave Eclipse magic by accident when he botched the spell trying to expel Eclipse? They never did verify the body was destroyed.
I don't know about Ruin using magic.. I mean, the puzzle-thing maybe? But why the magic?
I actually kind of feel bad for this Eclipse, and I don't like Eclipse lol...
Still mad at what he did to Ruin though and he still seems evil, if a bit.. challenged.
Waking up on 26th of December has to have a meaning.
Someone seems to be going around controlling animatronics... it's not just Eclipse at this point.
Ruin is extra suspicious now !
Creator what did you share with him!!!?
(Excuse my rambling, I'm just having fun)
What would be an absolutely insane plottwist is that our Sun has already gone bonkers and is glitching out, becoming more like evil Sun (as evil Sun implied it might happen someday), somehow created a weaker Eclipse, to be able to later to destroy him and prove he is worth something. But nah.. right...?
Whatever, we'll find out later.
...
Wait but what if that's why Eclipse threatened that Moon would have Sun lie dead in his arms.. because Moon would have to kill Sun himself?
Even crazier still, what if this Eclipse is made with using old Moon's blueprints. I know Solar was the basis, but Sun would have access to old Moon's blueprints. (It's far fetched but it came to mind because someone said new Eclipse resembles old Moon)-- actually scratch that. It's likely impossible.
9:21 that line gave me flashbacks it gave me the chills it gave me everything
K so list of ppl that could've made Eclipse:
-Ruin (still not cleared cuz he's still sus)
-Evil Sun
-Prickdrop (Solar's Moon, he could've made Eclipse before he died)
-Stitchwraith
-Creator's friend
-Trash can Man
-Solar (very little chance, but he seems like one of the only options)
NO WAY IT'S MY CHILD RUIN 😭 OR THE TRASH CAN. I REFUSE TO BELIEVE. 😭😭😭
@@LaylaAnimates Denial is a river in Egypt (/j)
Eclipse is recreating the story line of Are You My Mother? 😂
It seems like Eclipse is becoming neutral instead of good or evil because he wants to stop the Creator before he even goes after Sun or Moon. They might even allie together just to kill the Creator
2:37 jeez his glowing eyes are actually scary
4:16 he sounds so excited about asking and its so concerning to a level..but it's creator.
Okay.. theory time. Maybe its obvious..but eclipse absorbed the star fully, a little bit of his remnant left i mean, and uh..survived, making him a new body too. Why do you think he has powers?..
So you know a little mad that the Sun and Moon haven't had the conversation Moo said he would have but you know I'm not mad or anything
Anyone else happy that eclipse is back? Or just me?
You’re not alone ❤
Eclipse never build puzzles, but you know how like to "play"?? For the love of god, I don't know what to think about Ruin anymore, I'm just following the history and creating teories...
Imagine if Glitchy Vanny was the one to have made Eclipse. That would be a major plot twist since the lore btw SAMS/MAFS along with RAGS/TGFACBS are known to be as separate as possible.
That's what I've been saying from the moment we found out she was alive!!! I genuinely am thinking it was her!
OMG FELLOW VANNY DID IT BELIEVERS YES