For me it's an age thing. I'm starting to ask the manager rather than just assume I can stay someplace because it's on iOverlander. I do this for a couple of reasons, both negating that I'm trying to do Stealth. The first reason is that should I get the knock in the middle of the night, I'll have a name to reach for - the manager that said OK. I'm not trying to hide, and I got permission. I'm not a vagrant, I'm a traveler. I'm an intinerantcraftsman. The other reason I speak with the manager is to give them my business card. It never hurts and maybe they are a silver person and would like my services. But the main reason is because I want them to know who I am out in their parking lot in case something happens. I don't want to be found nameless in a town where nobody knows who I am. Good video. Kent
Amazing how far a smile and handshake can take you in these situations. I've done exactly that. Sometimes their hands are tied but in my experience they appreciate the effort and respect rather than simply assuming. Indeed, over the last several years I've developed friendships with some of the folks and many can't do enough for me when I roll in. I live in the north west but travel in the southwest during the winter months.
In a big truck stop I just stay. BUT, I have been through many a small town and got tired. Conditions permitting I prefer to drive at night at least part of the time, primarily if I need to cover some miles, otherwise I enjoy taking my time with daylight. I drive a white windowless van now but have had big Class A Winnie and cabover truck campers as well. I much prefer traveling off the interstate on state or federal highways. I can see the real America and eat real food in real restaurants. Stop at flea markets and pawn shops and other mom-n-pop operations. See not only the decay and such but also the beauty of parks and town squares in forgotten towns. When I have stopped at a crossroads gas/convenience store and asked if I could park to sleep for a few hours and be on my way, I have not yet been refused. Several even said 'Yea, we are closing for the night soon, but the law will not bother you.". I always get a name when I do that as well. The key is always to be polite and considerate, ask permission. You are a guest as a traveler anywhere you go. Act like it.
IMO as a non-van life guy, the only people that know “what to look for” are people that are van-life people themselves. Believe it or not, 99% of us do not do van life nor do we seek out videos or articles about the subject. In other words, the subject hasn’t even crossed our minds so we’re pretty much oblivious to it. That being said, I AM looking into over-landing across the U.S in my Lexus GX470 (an SUV that is increasingly selected for off-road traveling and recreation) so these tips on stealth camping ARE helpful. P.s. the nice thing about a Lexus SUV is it’s not the typical vehicle one would think someone is stealth camping in.
@@felixcat9455 It was bound to become a “thing” thanks to Covid. I can’t tell you how many times I heard people say We didn’t have anything but do during lock down so we bought a van and built it out. The ban on parking at Walmart was thanks to slobs who took advantage of Walmart’s generosity and spoiled it for everyone else!
@@alexblaze8878 how do you plan to build out your Lexus for van life. Who is going build a shower, bathroom, and kitchen for you?my situation is to get a van, but not travel all over, but parking at my relatives homes. I want to get rid of my house due to high property taxes, hoarding fees, and maintenance. I can always shower and use bathroom at relatives homes, but want to get a bathroom, shower, and kitchen to not intrude all the time.
I think this is a pretty good video. The theme is, “don’t worry about it.” I couldn’t agree more. I’m a retired cop who travels the country in my van. I almost NEVER worry about parking and sleeping. Unless the cops have been pressured by city council, they don’t care if you spend one night on the street. If you are worried,,,find a restaurant or bar and park in their lot. Most cops and private security will assume you drank too much and took an Uber home. As long as you are gone by noon the next day you are good to go.
Sometimes you just need to keep it simple. As long as you're in a legal parking spot, and nobody can see, or hear you, it doesn't matter being stealth. I love getting the knock, because I never answer it, because the person outside isn't 100% sure there's somebody inside. That 10% of doubt will keep them moving on.
If it’s of any comfort to those of you who do this stealth camping thing: as someone who has never done this at all nor do I personally know anyone who’s doing the van life I’ve never once suspected anything when Ive seen a sprinter van or a van with a solar panel on top. I’m sure police and parking attendants may be observant to these things but as a fellow citizen it’s never crossed my mind. After watching this video I’m sure I’ve stayed at hotels where people were stealth camping in the parking lot but, just like everyone else, I’m focused on what I’m doing and where I’m going and am not concerned with whether someone is stealth camping or not.
I can relate to what you said about looking over a parking lot and picking out vehicles that people are living in. It has become a game for me whenever I visit WalMart. The easiest ones to pick out are the cargo vans that dont have any external modifications, but are parked way out on the extreme edges of the lot. Sometimes it isnt just what the vehicle looks like but also where it parks. I love your videos! Thank you for letting us have a view into your travel world!
I've never tried to be stealthy. I've always been honest about living in my VW Bus and I try and create good relationships with people who talk to me about vanlife. I get a lot of people stopping to tell me their VW bus stories from their hippie days! I also get a lot of tourists, or visitors to the town I live in, that take selfies with the bus. The neighbor's think it's funny. I've always equated "stealthy" with being dishonest - so I always thought it was weird that the newbie vanlifers are into it. I've lived on one street spot for years and I have a great relationship with all of my neighbors. I don't even try to blend in - but what I'm conscious of is my appearance (both mine and the bus') and how I treat people. I try to spread good vibes about vanlife. I hope other vanlifers do too!
I worked with LE for 25 yrs and everything you said is true. Just a couple of things. 1. Work vans rarely park overnight unattended at the work site. 2. Most box type work vans don’t have side doors in the box or a house style door at the rear. 3. Don’t stay in the same place for days on end. 4. DON’T leave out anything outside your van. A chair or bag or box of refuse is a dead giveaway. 5. Pets. A cat sleeping on a dashboard is rather a big giveaway or that dog that barks at every noise. Most LE will not bother you if it really looks as if your just overnighting. If they see you there the next night expect the knock. They may not tell you to move but they will want to know who you are and how long you are staying. Just for clarification van life and living in your vehicle are two very different things at least to the LEO they are
Oh my goodness why do ppl care. I have a house and live in a small town near a beach, have great neighbors, and honestly I wouldn’t care if someone parks in front of my house who’s living in their van or car. They can even park there permanently. I’m fine with it. They can even use my shower and kitchen to cook. Sheesh i may even bring u food or some pie. Whatever happened to loving your neighbor as yourself. I will never understand the hate some ppl have for other ppl. We are all people. And one paycheck away from being homeless or living in our car ourselves. We came very close to it ourselves. I am thankful every day for my lil unfinished house .
I've been living in my SUV for over 3 years now and I've never had a knock or bothered by the PD. I've always defined "Stealth" as The Art of Hiding in Plain Sight". You hit all the points on the head! If you're not a bother then people won't bother with you. Be kind and polite and most people will treat you the same way. Don't turn your vehicle into a Hoarder's Delight and keep it clean! And if someone asks you to move, make like Nike shoes and Just Do It!
@@BobWelch-w8n In HB, parking in the many industrial areas is the key. You'll mostly be left alone unless you stand out, like I wrote. I've watched the police pound on the walls of vans and rv's that had their worldly posessions strapped all over them.
The police drive right past my SUV and stop a bit in front of me to check out a vehicle that looks like a homeless dwelling. I just see to it that they don't have a reason to question my vehicle or my intentions. With or without a house, I want to remain a good citizen.
@@BobWelch-w8n LOL Well, I haven't been shot at yet. But then again, I only use those areas to sleep and rarely exit my suv. I park on the streets and I don't enter the parking lots. I respect them so they don't see me...
Hi Allison! I'm really glad that you won't be living in your van this summer. My heart went out to you last summer, as you dealt with the heat. ☺️❤️🙏🙋♀️
Thanks! This was Awesome! Ya, my neighborhood does not care if someone parks and crashes out for a night. But it is the ones that never leave. We call on. They usually leave a huge mess and spill their grey and dark matter tanks on our streets. If they just keep it clean less people would care. And ya, dont steal!
Back in the days of my youth, the big thing was a pickup truck with a camper top on the bed, I'm not talking about the huge one with the thing that goes over the cab, but the small ones that is level with the cab and bed, with just a small lift top door, that meets up with the tail gate, because let's face it, the only main thing you need is the place to sleep, so with a mattress in the bed of your truck, concealed with a camper top is more stealthy than a van, you can always shower at truck stops, and you can use the restroom anywhere, because every place has restrooms, so bring back the old ways of stealth, just use a pick up truck with a camper topper on the bed, you still can have your cooler with food, and other essential in the bed of the truck as well, and you can put a sliding rear window in the cab of the truck that leads into the bed of the truck, so you dont even have to get out of the truck to go between the cab and the bed. 😁👍
Exactly the setup I now have, though the rear window in my pickup is too small to crawl through. But even at 80 years old I can disappear in 10 seconds or less by slipping through the tailgate window.
@sophietucker Why is it differently for van lifers and vehicle campers? I'm a retired veteran with a very nice VA pension and SSA pension as well, and I chose not to get a van to camp in. I took the seats out of my Camry a couple years ago, put drawers, a mattress, a Jackery, refrigerator and luggable loo in, got custom Weather Tech shields, and I'm very happy traveling around in my Tiny House on Wheels Camry Condo, but it annoys the heck out of me that car campers are considered "homeless," while Van dwellers are not, and are considered "Van Lifers." There's actually no difference, except the size of our vehicles!!! BTW I park in Walmart, Planet Fitness or Cracker Barrel parking lots, and LE never bothers me there.
For Me, Stealth describes the Ability to Sleep Undisturbed, by people seeking to Engage you in Conversation. So although your vehicle might look like a Camper, it also looks to be Presently Unoccupied .
Great advice and it didn't make me feel more nervous, it actually made me feel less anxious. My van is not stealth in that it has a raised roof and windows all around. I was worried it wouldn't blend in. Now, I'm glad to know I don't have to. Thanks, Allison.
We’ve never had a knock or anything like that either. I think one of the most important thing is to be sure that you read the city ordinance that is generally found online. Lots of times street parking is forbidden between like 2 AM and 5 AM so you will have a problem. You also need to be careful about trespassing when you park. We have solar panels and an AC. Lots of time we have a bike on the back too. Worst case is that we don’t cover the front windows. We’ll leave the bathroom door open to block the view to the back. People/security just pass by if the front windows are not covered. Our plates even say “RV”. That said, if you do get the knock, don’t be a jerk. Be humble, and even ask for advice on where you might be able to park for the night.
If this country hits a default with their finances and can’t come up with a resolution, to curb debt it will be well known abroad. That can lead to a dire impact on economy. I bet a even bigger chunk of the US population will jump On board with van life.
I couldn't afford a place within 1 hours commute of my Seattle job, I only make a measly 90k per year, so I live in a minivan during the workweek and come back to my condo on the weekend. I am a construction worker so I have dirty boots/vest in my front seat. I suppose I could afford a place closer to work if I spent every penny on rent but my definition of affordable is being able to save 20% of you're gross pay 10% goes into a retirement account and 10% goes into a rainy day/vacation fund, this savings stratagey has gotten me through work slowdowns. After work I go to the gym to do a short and workout and shower then I spend most of the afternoon parked in a library or shopping center and I go to my sleeping spot around dusk. I prefer to sleep in quiet residential neighborhoods it seems alittle safer, it helps that I have a 6am job and leave the neighborhood by 5:30. I think its obvious to anyone who looks into my window during the day that it is a camper Van because there is a big privacy curtain behind the drivers seat. I'm hoping they just glance at the outside of the Van and don't look to closely. I debated opening the privacy curtain during the day but I figured it was better that theives didn't know what or who was behind the curtain and I work different shifts so I sometimes am in the Van during the day with the means to defend myself within easy reach. At night its not so obvious the curtain is black so it just looks like the dark interior of a vehicle. Still despite my best efforts I have heard a neighborhood walker or two say call the police although I have yet to get the knock. Summer can be alittle problematic because this far north it doesn't get dark until 10pm, I need to get up at 4:30 to get ready for work and in order to get enough sleep I have to go to my residential sleeping spot while its still light and the curtain is very visible. I think one of the things that gives me away is condensation I'm hoping the diesel heater will take care of that problem although it will make alittle noise. I also need to be better about only exiting through the drivers door. If the city makes it impossible for me to park I will have to move I couldn't take the 2 to 3 hour commute alot of my co workers have and the Seattle electrician shortage will get even worse.
Ok so theres Rv parks, campgrounds..why doesnt someone begin opening van/car parking? It could be maintained and monitored by attendents and people not able to respect the rules can be refused. This could be a potential goldmine because there can be potential in nearly any city and it could easily get the blessing of the city since it will keep them out of the residential areas and also importantly it can keep the van/car people alot safer. Just a thought..if i had the money i would do it
There already is something like that its called an RV park. I don't know if you have been paying much attention to the news recently but many of these RV parks charge outrageous rents and when you add up the RV park rent + Camper Van costs you're spending almost as much money as you'd spend renting an apartment and many Vanlifers can't afford that so they are forced to stealth camp. I'm not against paying for a place to park if the rules and price were reasonable but my experience from years of renting is its very hard to find a rental without ridiculous rules or ridiculous price. I don't want to be a freeloader but when all the legal camping options are unaffordable what do you expect me to do? Alot of these people who complain about Vans have owned a house for a long time and their mortgage is lower than the rent on the typical studio apartment, they have no idea what alot of young people are going through.
Great video, thanks Allison! We live in Syracuse NY, not sure about other parts of the city, but where we are people park all day or night and no one questions them or calls police, as long as there is no parking violation or trouble police here couldn't care less - but it is a large college city too. Worst state I have found for car resting/van life .. Rhode Island, I tried to rest in a fishing area there, police knocked on the window and told me "no rest areas in Rhode island, you'll have to drive to Connecticut to rest."
Wow how rude and mean. Reminds me never to go visit RI. And never to buy a house there. Horrible State. I want nothing to do with them. Wisconsin too. Way too much crime and drugs. California is another state I never care to visit . For many reasons.
That is crazy! So they would rather people get in an accident from driving tired. I get if they don’t want a bunch of people camping out but resting???!!! SMH
My only knock in 3 years of van life also came in Rhode Island after a day of fishing. There was a Park & Ride in Connecticut about 8 miles away so that's where I went.
Speaking of van/car living I could definitely understand doing this in the Bayonne, Jersey City area with average rent landing right around $1700 per month!!! Unless you're rich or have rich family to help you you would almost HAVE to live in your car at least for maybe a month or two just to save up for move in/deposits. I don't know how regular working.people are doing it..maybe they got 8 roommates?
When not camping somewhere, I'm normally traveling in stealth mode between camping destinations. My stealth van is actually a 34 foot long Limo Bus but most stealth factors apply to all vehicles. My bus has Limo Tint windows down both sides so the inside blackout screens, when in place, are not noticeable. I have cut no holes, added no vents. plugs, or solar panels of any kind to the outside. So the only non bus item that can be seen outwardly is the hitch receiver just below the back bumper, added cause I sometimes need to tow a car or trailer. My batteries charge while I'm driving, see little use when stealth parked at night. When camping have a plug hidden under the bus for plugging in my portable solar panels, the added bonus here is I can park in the shade and still have the panels in the sun for charging. When not towing/camping, the outside looks like any other business owned shuttle bus. As such it will never be invisible, so the most important thing for stealth is to look like I belong where I choose to park for the night. No matter what you drive, this should always be a top consideration for stealth, look like you belong where you're parked. I also keep the bus clean, a major factor for fitting in rather than sticking out. And driving what I do, wearing a nice business or Hawaiian shirt while driving, completes the official work look. Plus I do everything that will need to be done before sleep, before I park at my night location. So no sights, sounds, smells that would hint that someone is inside once I'm parked. Doing this, I have never had The Knock. But I did wake one time to some noise and the feeling of my bus moving. Some guys were jacking it up to steal my wheels/tires, glad I was there to stop what would have been a very costly loss. Also, that was the last time I tried to overnight in a city. Times have changed and cities overall have become very unsafe, do my best to avoid them all now. And when camping, now try not to isolate myself far away from the sights/sounds of others, again for safety reasons. Male or female, if you're isolated/alone these days, you can quickly become a target of opportunity for bad people wanting to do bad things. A dog is your best early warning devise, alerting before possible trouble reaches you door or window.. Giving you those precious added seconds to wake and grab your self defense items, which should always by at the ready. Remember it's better to have and not need, than to need and not have. To be a survivor, not a statistic. And sorry, but no I will not share my best stealth parking, go to locations here. If to many people use/abuse them, they too will be lost. Find what stealth areas work best for you, always treat them and any people you encounter there, with respect.
Ahaha, my van before was kind of stealthy, but now with the hi top its dead obvious. Like yours. I just got back from being all over the SW though, nobody cared, it's like they were thinking oh he's probably going to yada yada national park tmrrw. I figure I just look like some retiree traveling about.
Thank you lady. Great information. When I first started this journey, you were in the car! At a Walmart in deep snow! Trying to pee in a car. Lol I knew then, this was not going to be easy. You are amazing.❤
My Astro stays in 1 spot no more than 3 days then I rotate the location I know the landscapers & security schedule so no snoopers and I have backup transportation if I do get towed but never have I been stealth for over 5 years
I’ve got a white Toyota Sienna minivan. It doesn’t stand out at all and is very stealth. I don’t have solar panels on the roof or anything else to give it away. I can park overnight in cities. For free dispersed camping, I use a tent in addition to the van to give another place to hang out.
Thanks for really good tips . I'm sure you have put a lot of people's minds a little bit to ease. Don't park illegally. Be aware of your surroundings and live your "van life".
if you see what people will due while not being monitored, you will kinda understand, that in general there a alot of people with no sense, crazy, drug addicts, drunks, 40 yr.old, juvenile delinquents', ETC.
I’ve gotten the knock multiple times even staying legitimately in a hotel as a paying customer. Car-camping, when done correctly, can be more private and feel safer.
There is no such thing as Stealth. You are kidding yourself if you think there is, the things that allow you some privacy will always give you away. People do these videos and everyone watches them. Secret is out. This from a Former security officer assigned to hospital setting living in a high top former wheelchair car part of a commercial Fleet. We know, and folks take offense to when others appear to be getting away with not paying their share, (taxes) Good Luck. To those trying to do the van life it's doable to a point, but more folks are doing it attention being called to it and "Authority" doesn't like it and will shut you down. I wish y'all Good Luck. I know the stress of trying to keep a roof over head, with health issues, many think that living in a van, RV ETC. Will be the answer. It might be for short while. We need A better solution to on going lack of affordable living situations.
Hi Allison You give such good advice. In 5 years I have never gotten the knock. I love emergency room parking lots plus If I am staying a few days I like hospital multi level parking near the elevator no higher than the 2nd level. In residential areas I park on a main St the passing cars dont bother me. I often park during a shift and leave on weekends I have stayed as if i am doing a double. My favorite was when the city was on lockdown because of a snow storm I spent 5 days In the same spot discovered the van next to me were nomads. We have remained friends over the years. One tip my bedding is always black. Abd security comes around cleans snow off the car and plows the driveways. Plus highway rest stops have not been a problem during bad weather I park under a light and have never had a problem.
Thanks allison great tips hope you're enjoying yourself in you're new space never thought about looking suspicious with out of town plates on a van thanks again
This is awesome I’m currently 24 in the military showing people how to budget I get out at the end of this year and I need to know these things Hope anyone who sees this follows my journey wether u want to save money or see my future van
So I like everything you said and I agree with the questions as well! One suggestion, do the necessary legal research that protects you from frivolous harassment, most impractical thing is to get to know the legal terms and the constitutional definitions between vehicle(considered to be in a commercial capacity, meaning you're either for hire or your profiting in its current state, automobile(you are not for hire, private you use everyday, not profiting, then domicile, this is your place of residence, it takes you into another category of legal codes which are not relevant to "driving" but because this is a version of your home, you now have a certain set of rights that you lost acting as a "driver"! Awesome video and I'm only have way through it, and I love the fact that you allot of common sense!
I've known people who have work vans and there is a constant worry that the van will be broken into to steal tools since they are so expensive, mainly likely specialized items, not really hammers and ordinary items. 🛠🪚🧰🗜🪛 Thanks for the info. Your jingle is professional sounding, very catchy and fun! 👏🎶🎵
I plan on retiring in two years and will only get about $840/month Social Security. No way I will be able to live on that with rent. I will be 95% urban stealth camping. I have the money saved up in savings to buy a new/used 2023 E-350 14 ft. Cargoport box truck with pass-through ($60,000) + $40,000 for conversion with side door and plan on making it Uber-stealth. Standard plain white box truck with NO windows, black/gray/fresh tanks hidden under skirt, solar panels hidden behind roof edge lip frame so you can't see them from the ground. You would not be able to tell it was a camper without seeing from above the Solar panels and roof vent. I won't be able to afford costly campground fees on my meager monthly SS. So my plan is to park on side streets in industrial areas with my commercial looking box truck. I was also thinking of seeing if I can find a nice manager in an industrial or commercial area who will give me permission to park in the back part of their large parking lot. Always making sure I respect them by not leaving trash around to ruin it for me. What do others think? Am I being naive?
@@computernerdtechman that is a lot of money for something that you may not afford to fix if something happens. What about a log cabin/something similar in a nice place? It is not a city though...
@@computernerdtechman true, but your original argument was that you cannot afford rent. Anyhow, if you want to tour: I hope all goes well with your plans. Happy touring!
"to the point of fear" Just imagine the worst scenario, and how it would go if you responded respectfully, happily, and helpfully. There isn't much downside, other than having to move (unless you aren't in a state that agrees that your other hobbies are legal). And even then, happy, helpful, and considerate goes a long way. A tad slow helps, too.
I have dark windows the vehicle came like this but I definitely need a trailer for my stuff. I left a relationship, and partially is my dream to do this but when I started out for a month, I did kind of kept myself because people are busy bodies.
stealth van camping just means not being bothered by anyone randomly cus they see you living in there. You just wanna avoid a random knock on the window by someone asking what you are doing there. Having a van that can park in a normal parking spot, that does not exude smoke from a stove or from cooking, does not sound like a bass explosion party or have you visibly inside doing regular living stuff is kind of enough for people to leave you alone. If people see you cooking in the parking lot they might have questions, if they see you watching tv... questions. "Is this a camping site or a parking spot?" This is the question you want people to not have as it leads to annoyance, possible anger and eventually a call about a meth lab inside your van or about the perv that steals kids or a dog kidnapping situation... etc. etc. people can quickly become horrible if they want you to simply leave. All this is avoided by they simply not knowing that it's a home on wheels.
I’m glad I watched this video. Great advice. I’ve been trying to figure out what to buy, and I was going to go stealth, but maybe it doesn’t really matter.
Hi. Im glad you have time to relax in a place of your own, free from the heat. And still doing VL content. You are a smart cookie. Just fyi, I hit the ❤ on a particular app. And never heard from you. Haha. You seem fresh and rested. God, keep blessing Allison. In Jesus name. 😊
I find this to be the biggest deterrent to considering this lifestyle. Who wants to feel like they have to hide or run all the time? It seems like the only options are hiding and being nervous in public places, paying exorbant park prices, or boondook 20 miles away from any services!
Good tips. How bout, take care of your trash properly, (try to leave your areas better than when you arrived)💚 ... Proper places/areas, to dump your urine, not in a parking lot/area you just used to park/sleep/move on, proper stealth dumping lol🍋🏕🌄 'keep it clean'🍃
Late to the party but just about to start my fulltime minivan life and now hearing places like Walmart's and planet fitness are stopping overnight parking. I feel very nervous. I need to stay around Denver for about a month wrapping up doctor's appointments, dentist, etc. I hope vanlife/nomadic life will become more accepted.
Here in EU it's kinda illegal to sleep in the car in the urban areas, there for been stealth is a must. No stickers, no solar panels on the roof, heavy tinted vindows and best type is a minivan basicly only to sleep in during the night. With minivan you can blend in any neighbouhood because it's know as mother's cars and used to transport kids to school. In EU most of the countries have national car plates so you don't know if they're from the city or from other county which is plus.
@@InnocentiusLacrimosa Netherlands for example, I'll correct myself ,,you cannot live in the car unless its a caravan o camper and doing so in designated areas. You can sleep in your car if you're tired to drvive but not to live in it.
I’ve not done Vanlife yet, but I’ve watched a lot of TH-camrs. I think by and large your average person as your out and about doesn’t care, people don’t pay as much attention as you’d think. People are usually in their own world. The biggest thing isn’t to be too obnoxious and obvious. It’s easier to park in apartments and hotel parking lots than in front of somebody’s house in a residential neighborhood. I heard Bob wells mention this once, but I hadn’t heard it too much-if you’re in a vehicle that looks too commercial you may run the risk of being pulled over for not having commercial looking license plates. Kind of does the opposite of trying to not bring attention to yourself. Lol.
Putting words and numbers on your van, making it look business, means cops will pull you over and ask for a CDL license. I don't recommend putting that on your van! It is far better to have a van with no windows in back, but no markings either. And if you have a door between the front drivers-passengers area and the back area, the better.
Atm i,m struggling to decide to get white transit or a old school camper like in the 80s 90s because people have been telling me the parts on vans like transit as well sprinters are very expensive and apparently old school vans are still pricey but not as much also the security aspect i guess the security is better on worker vans than old school campers also the stealth is there for the worker van way more than camper just trying to figure out what's the best. I will be living in the van full time i cant afford a house and its the best option for me and also I've been living in hotels, cars, family houses, random people houses basically nomad my whole life which i love but never a van any advice would be great fun video can't wait to watch the rest.
As many lengths as so many go to to not be noticed, barking dogs are very much noticed for many reasons. Some feel sorry for a dog that may be abused or too hot or something and a well meaning person ( wherever you are parked, neighborhood, park or Walmart lot, ) and call animal control.
Great vido/chat. I've been doing research on this. What about also researching the locations of state fairgrounds and large sporting events? These tend to have travelers for their various sports and pasttimes who travel in trailers and large vehicles. Seems like a good place to blend in. Also I wondered about airport parking, or remote lots, maybe even large hospitals. Thoughts?
Been doing this for two years in a not so stealth van (solar and cargo box and surfboard on top with bike on bike rack in back) and bottom line is ya just need to be cool and blend in.
Again another important video. Too often other videos downplay many of the things you talk out. Other times people seem so afraid that they can come across as overly paranoid.
Yep... I've been living in a white Chevy Express cargo van for over 2 years now and I can tell you that "stealth" is bullshit. There is NO SUCH THING as stealth in van life. If you're parked somewhere overnight where overnight parking is not allowed, it DOES NOT MATTER how common, or ubiquitous your van is. You're either going to get "the knock" at best, or wake up to your van being rigged up to a tow truck at worst. No cop is going to say: "Oh, that's just a common work van, we'll just let them park there illegally".
The main thing I did to be stealth is pack very light so that I can have, for the interior of my SUV, a “car mode” & a “sleep mode.” This way, during the day & when I’m driving it just looks like a regular car inside. Nothing on any of the seats and it’s a dark interior. I have a few things on the floor but it’s all dark so nothing stands out (I hope). My biggest problem with being stealth is at night because I didn’t make those window coverings with cloth and reflictix. I just bought the Heat Shield ones. I’m not sure exactly how stealthy those are. I think the front windshield is fine but if I’m under a light I think you can probably see something even though it’s the black side out. I’ve mostly just been at truck stops or hospital parking lots so far though. But this may be something hat I revisit
My take on the whole "stealth" concept is that so long as people are doing what they can to be stealthy they are being as unobtrusive as possible. Which is what every van lifer should be doing. Obviously anyone who is relatively intelligent can tell that the sprinter or promaster van with solar panels and window covers is being lived in. But so long as that person isn't dumping their grey water tank and putting up an awning most people won't care. Its when an RV from the 80s that spews smoke and has a missing bumper just sets up and doesn't move for weeks that it starts causing problems for people.
For me it's an age thing. I'm starting to ask the manager rather than just assume I can stay someplace because it's on iOverlander. I do this for a couple of reasons, both negating that I'm trying to do Stealth. The first reason is that should I get the knock in the middle of the night, I'll have a name to reach for - the manager that said OK. I'm not trying to hide, and I got permission. I'm not a vagrant, I'm a traveler. I'm an intinerantcraftsman. The other reason I speak with the manager is to give them my business card. It never hurts and maybe they are a silver person and would like my services. But the main reason is because I want them to know who I am out in their parking lot in case something happens. I don't want to be found nameless in a town where nobody knows who I am.
Good video.
Kent
I love your straightforward approach Ken. It would definitely make it easier for me to sleep at night.
Beautifully said.
Amazing how far a smile and handshake can take you in these situations. I've done exactly that. Sometimes their hands are tied but in my experience they appreciate the effort and respect rather than simply assuming. Indeed, over the last several years I've developed friendships with some of the folks and many can't do enough for me when I roll in. I live in the north west but travel in the southwest during the winter months.
In a big truck stop I just stay.
BUT, I have been through many a small town and got tired. Conditions permitting I prefer to drive at night at least part of the time, primarily if I need to cover some miles, otherwise I enjoy taking my time with daylight. I drive a white windowless van now but have had big Class A Winnie and cabover truck campers as well. I much prefer traveling off the interstate on state or federal highways. I can see the real America and eat real food in real restaurants. Stop at flea markets and pawn shops and other mom-n-pop operations. See not only the decay and such but also the beauty of parks and town squares in forgotten towns. When I have stopped at a crossroads gas/convenience store and asked if I could park to sleep for a few hours and be on my way, I have not yet been refused. Several even said 'Yea, we are closing for the night soon, but the law will not bother you.". I always get a name when I do that as well.
The key is always to be polite and considerate, ask permission. You are a guest as a traveler anywhere you go. Act like it.
Being stealth was much easier before van life became a thing. Now people know what to look for.
IMO as a non-van life guy, the only people that know “what to look for” are people that are van-life people themselves. Believe it or not, 99% of us do not do van life nor do we seek out videos or articles about the subject. In other words, the subject hasn’t even crossed our minds so we’re pretty much oblivious to it.
That being said, I AM looking into over-landing across the U.S in my Lexus GX470 (an SUV that is increasingly selected for off-road traveling and recreation) so these tips on stealth camping ARE helpful.
P.s. the nice thing about a Lexus SUV is it’s not the typical vehicle one would think someone is stealth camping in.
@@felixcat9455
It was bound to become a “thing” thanks to Covid. I can’t tell you how many times I heard people say We didn’t have anything but do during lock down so we bought a van and built it out. The ban on parking at Walmart was thanks to slobs who took advantage of Walmart’s generosity and spoiled it for everyone else!
@@felixcat9455 this is what I mean it’s ok to show of ur rig but to tell every one where to park n what no is a no brainer keep it on the low
@@alexblaze8878 how do you plan to build out your Lexus for van life. Who is going build a shower, bathroom, and kitchen for you?my situation is to get a van, but not travel all over, but parking at my relatives homes. I want to get rid of my house due to high property taxes, hoarding fees, and maintenance. I can always shower and use bathroom at relatives homes, but want to get a bathroom, shower, and kitchen to not intrude all the time.
@@felixcat9455 yes ans she’s not helping much in terms of keeping stealth van life secret lol
I think this is a pretty good video. The theme is, “don’t worry about it.” I couldn’t agree more. I’m a retired cop who travels the country in my van. I almost NEVER worry about parking and sleeping. Unless the cops have been pressured by city council, they don’t care if you spend one night on the street. If you are worried,,,find a restaurant or bar and park in their lot. Most cops and private security will assume you drank too much and took an Uber home. As long as you are gone by noon the next day you are good to go.
Great tips and advice. Most people notice but the trick is finding a place they don't care.
I am the same . Retired member who travels with his dog all over the place … great lifestyle …
Sometimes you just need to keep it simple. As long as you're in a legal parking spot, and nobody can see, or hear you, it doesn't matter being stealth. I love getting the knock, because I never answer it, because the person outside isn't 100% sure there's somebody inside. That 10% of doubt will keep them moving on.
Have you evern gotten a knock? I assume most people be scared to knock on someone random door.
@@prophetseven728yes,don’t answer
If it’s of any comfort to those of you who do this stealth camping thing: as someone who has never done this at all nor do I personally know anyone who’s doing the van life I’ve never once suspected anything when Ive seen a sprinter van or a van with a solar panel on top. I’m sure police and parking attendants may be observant to these things but as a fellow citizen it’s never crossed my mind.
After watching this video I’m sure I’ve stayed at hotels where people were stealth camping in the parking lot but, just like everyone else, I’m focused on what I’m doing and where I’m going and am not concerned with whether someone is stealth camping or not.
I can relate to what you said about looking over a parking lot and picking out vehicles that people are living in. It has become a game for me whenever I visit WalMart. The easiest ones to pick out are the cargo vans that dont have any external modifications, but are parked way out on the extreme edges of the lot. Sometimes it isnt just what the vehicle looks like but also where it parks. I love your videos! Thank you for letting us have a view into your travel world!
I've never tried to be stealthy. I've always been honest about living in my VW Bus and I try and create good relationships with people who talk to me about vanlife. I get a lot of people stopping to tell me their VW bus stories from their hippie days! I also get a lot of tourists, or visitors to the town I live in, that take selfies with the bus. The neighbor's think it's funny. I've always equated "stealthy" with being dishonest - so I always thought it was weird that the newbie vanlifers are into it. I've lived on one street spot for years and I have a great relationship with all of my neighbors. I don't even try to blend in - but what I'm conscious of is my appearance (both mine and the bus') and how I treat people. I try to spread good vibes about vanlife. I hope other vanlifers do too!
Awesome comment and message. Thanks for sharing this!
I worked with LE for 25 yrs and everything you said is true. Just a couple of things. 1. Work vans rarely park overnight unattended at the work site. 2. Most box type work vans don’t have side doors in the box or a house style door at the rear. 3. Don’t stay in the same place for days on end. 4. DON’T leave out anything outside your van. A chair or bag or box of refuse is a dead giveaway. 5. Pets. A cat sleeping on a dashboard is rather a big giveaway or that dog that barks at every noise. Most LE will not bother you if it really looks as if your just overnighting. If they see you there the next night expect the knock. They may not tell you to move but they will want to know who you are and how long you are staying. Just for clarification van life and living in your vehicle are two very different things at least to the LEO they are
Great advice
What's an LE or LEO?
@@JustARosko LE - Law Enforcement, LEO - Law Enforcement Officer
I'm a currier I usually park my van near my house my idea is to get a stealth van so I can use for work and still live inside
Oh my goodness why do ppl care. I have a house and live in a small town near a beach, have great neighbors, and honestly I wouldn’t care if someone parks in front of my house who’s living in their van or car. They can even park there permanently. I’m
fine with it. They can even use my shower and kitchen to cook. Sheesh i may even bring u food or some pie. Whatever happened to loving your neighbor as yourself. I will never understand the hate some ppl have for other ppl. We are all people. And one paycheck away from being homeless or living in our car ourselves. We came very close to it ourselves. I am thankful every day for my lil unfinished house .
You are so so sweet, Thanks for being human.
Thank you for the reassurance that there are still lots of really nice people living in the USA.
I've been living in my SUV for over 3 years now and I've never had a knock or bothered by the PD.
I've always defined "Stealth" as The Art of Hiding in Plain Sight".
You hit all the points on the head! If you're not a bother then people won't bother with you. Be kind and polite and most people will treat you the same way. Don't turn your vehicle into a Hoarder's Delight and keep it clean! And if someone asks you to move, make like Nike shoes and Just Do It!
As a wise man once told me, 'being conspicuously inconspicuous' lol... less, oftentimes, can be more
@@BobWelch-w8n In HB, parking in the many industrial areas is the key. You'll mostly be left alone unless you stand out, like I wrote. I've watched the police pound on the walls of vans and rv's that had their worldly posessions strapped all over them.
The police drive right past my SUV and stop a bit in front of me to check out a vehicle that looks like a homeless dwelling.
I just see to it that they don't have a reason to question my vehicle or my intentions. With or without a house, I want to remain a good citizen.
@@BobWelch-w8n LOL
Well, I haven't been shot at yet. But then again, I only use those areas to sleep and rarely exit my suv. I park on the streets and I don't enter the parking lots.
I respect them so they don't see me...
Hi Allison! I'm really glad that you won't be living in your van this summer. My heart went out to you last summer, as you dealt with the heat. ☺️❤️🙏🙋♀️
Sleep by day travel by night...day parkers have more options and blend in better
Thanks! This was Awesome! Ya, my neighborhood does not care if someone parks and crashes out for a night. But it is the ones that never leave. We call on. They usually leave a huge mess and spill their grey and dark matter tanks on our streets. If they just keep it clean less people would care. And ya, dont steal!
Back in the days of my youth, the big thing was a pickup truck with a camper top on the bed, I'm not talking about the huge one with the thing that goes over the cab, but the small ones that is level with the cab and bed, with just a small lift top door, that meets up with the tail gate, because let's face it, the only main thing you need is the place to sleep, so with a mattress in the bed of your truck, concealed with a camper top is more stealthy than a van, you can always shower at truck stops, and you can use the restroom anywhere, because every place has restrooms, so bring back the old ways of stealth, just use a pick up truck with a camper topper on the bed, you still can have your cooler with food, and other essential in the bed of the truck as well, and you can put a sliding rear window in the cab of the truck that leads into the bed of the truck, so you dont even have to get out of the truck to go between the cab and the bed. 😁👍
Yes I know exactly what you mean and that's a great option!
Trying to lose enough weight to fit through that little window in my Tacoma and Leer shell.
Exactly the setup I now have, though the rear window in my pickup is too small to crawl through. But even at 80 years old I can disappear in 10 seconds or less by slipping through the tailgate window.
Ex truck driver here, not a good idea to use fake DOT numbers that would be a FED crime. You could just use a vehicle number however.
@sophietucker Why is it differently for van lifers and vehicle campers? I'm a retired veteran with a very nice VA pension and SSA pension as well, and I chose not to get a van to camp in. I took the seats out of my Camry a couple years ago, put drawers, a mattress, a Jackery, refrigerator and luggable loo in, got custom Weather Tech shields, and I'm very happy traveling around in my Tiny House on Wheels Camry Condo, but it annoys the heck out of me that car campers are considered "homeless," while Van dwellers are not, and are considered "Van Lifers." There's actually no difference, except the size of our vehicles!!! BTW I park in Walmart, Planet Fitness or Cracker Barrel parking lots, and LE never bothers me there.
One of the biggest 'tells' is when there's no snow or frost on your car, but every other vehicle around is covered.
For Me, Stealth describes the Ability to Sleep Undisturbed, by people seeking to Engage you in Conversation.
So although your vehicle might look like a Camper, it also looks to be Presently Unoccupied .
Great advice and it didn't make me feel more nervous, it actually made me feel less anxious. My van is not stealth in that it has a raised roof and windows all around. I was worried it wouldn't blend in. Now, I'm glad to know I don't have to. Thanks, Allison.
We’ve never had a knock or anything like that either. I think one of the most important thing is to be sure that you read the city ordinance that is generally found online. Lots of times street parking is forbidden between like 2 AM and 5 AM so you will have a problem. You also need to be careful about trespassing when you park. We have solar panels and an AC. Lots of time we have a bike on the back too. Worst case is that we don’t cover the front windows. We’ll leave the bathroom door open to block the view to the back. People/security just pass by if the front windows are not covered. Our plates even say “RV”. That said, if you do get the knock, don’t be a jerk. Be humble, and even ask for advice on where you might be able to park for the night.
I love your posts and am proud of you. I will keep watching even when you are off the road.
If this country hits a default with their finances and can’t come up with a resolution, to curb debt it will be well known abroad. That can lead to a dire impact on economy. I bet a even bigger chunk of the US population will jump
On board with van life.
Why does everyone worry about the knock ? If the police ask you move , just move . Thousands of other spots not far away... No big deal folks....
@@mikeym.1461 because not every knocker is from the police.
If you are asleep and woke up from a deep sleep by a knock, it’s literally heart pounding scary.
I couldn't afford a place within 1 hours commute of my Seattle job, I only make a measly 90k per year, so I live in a minivan during the workweek and come back to my condo on the weekend. I am a construction worker so I have dirty boots/vest in my front seat. I suppose I could afford a place closer to work if I spent every penny on rent but my definition of affordable is being able to save 20% of you're gross pay 10% goes into a retirement account and 10% goes into a rainy day/vacation fund, this savings stratagey has gotten me through work slowdowns. After work I go to the gym to do a short and workout and shower then I spend most of the afternoon parked in a library or shopping center and I go to my sleeping spot around dusk. I prefer to sleep in quiet residential neighborhoods it seems alittle safer, it helps that I have a 6am job and leave the neighborhood by 5:30. I think its obvious to anyone who looks into my window during the day that it is a camper Van because there is a big privacy curtain behind the drivers seat. I'm hoping they just glance at the outside of the Van and don't look to closely. I debated opening the privacy curtain during the day but I figured it was better that theives didn't know what or who was behind the curtain and I work different shifts so I sometimes am in the Van during the day with the means to defend myself within easy reach. At night its not so obvious the curtain is black so it just looks like the dark interior of a vehicle. Still despite my best efforts I have heard a neighborhood walker or two say call the police although I have yet to get the knock. Summer can be alittle problematic because this far north it doesn't get dark until 10pm, I need to get up at 4:30 to get ready for work and in order to get enough sleep I have to go to my residential sleeping spot while its still light and the curtain is very visible. I think one of the things that gives me away is condensation I'm hoping the diesel heater will take care of that problem although it will make alittle noise. I also need to be better about only exiting through the drivers door. If the city makes it impossible for me to park I will have to move I couldn't take the 2 to 3 hour commute alot of my co workers have and the Seattle electrician shortage will get even worse.
Only a "measly 90k per year"? I feel so BAD for you... life must be rough.
Ok so theres Rv parks, campgrounds..why doesnt someone begin opening van/car parking? It could be maintained and monitored by attendents and people not able to respect the rules can be refused. This could be a potential goldmine because there can be potential in nearly any city and it could easily get the blessing of the city since it will keep them out of the residential areas and also importantly it can keep the van/car people alot safer. Just a thought..if i had the money i would do it
zoning
There are some places that allow that. Duluth Canal Park is one. 2 or 3 lots have ticketed meter parking that allows overnights.
If the zoning allows it, then there are Costs- attendants, insurance, lawsuits....
one of the major benefits of van life is living rent free. Would probably cost more than a studio apartment.
There already is something like that its called an RV park. I don't know if you have been paying much attention to the news recently but many of these RV parks charge outrageous rents and when you add up the RV park rent + Camper Van costs you're spending almost as much money as you'd spend renting an apartment and many Vanlifers can't afford that so they are forced to stealth camp. I'm not against paying for a place to park if the rules and price were reasonable but my experience from years of renting is its very hard to find a rental without ridiculous rules or ridiculous price. I don't want to be a freeloader but when all the legal camping options are unaffordable what do you expect me to do? Alot of these people who complain about Vans have owned a house for a long time and their mortgage is lower than the rent on the typical studio apartment, they have no idea what alot of young people are going through.
Great video, thanks Allison! We live in Syracuse NY, not sure about other parts of the city, but where we are people park all day or night and no one questions them or calls police, as long as there is no parking violation or trouble police here couldn't care less - but it is a large college city too. Worst state I have found for car resting/van life .. Rhode Island, I tried to rest in a fishing area there, police knocked on the window and told me "no rest areas in Rhode island, you'll have to drive to Connecticut to rest."
Wow how rude and mean. Reminds me never to go visit RI. And never to buy a house there. Horrible State. I want nothing to do with them. Wisconsin too. Way too much crime and drugs. California is another state I never care to visit . For many reasons.
That is crazy! So they would rather people get in an accident from driving tired. I get if they don’t want a bunch of people camping out but resting???!!! SMH
My only knock in 3 years of van life also came in Rhode Island after a day of fishing. There was a Park & Ride in Connecticut about 8 miles away so that's where I went.
Hey Allison!! I know everyone has your best interests, but at the end of the day you know what’s best for you. Always Love. ❤ Newark Jersey ❤❤
If anything I would ask you for any questions I have about van life. 😊
What's up Newark..currently have family in Bayonne👍
Speaking of van/car living I could definitely understand doing this in the Bayonne, Jersey City area with average rent landing right around $1700 per month!!! Unless you're rich or have rich family to help you you would almost HAVE to live in your car at least for maybe a month or two just to save up for move in/deposits. I don't know how regular working.people are doing it..maybe they got 8 roommates?
Love hearing from you and watching your videos.
When not camping somewhere, I'm normally traveling in stealth mode between camping destinations. My stealth van is actually a 34 foot long Limo Bus but most stealth factors apply to all vehicles. My bus has Limo Tint windows down both sides so the inside blackout screens, when in place, are not noticeable. I have cut no holes, added no vents. plugs, or solar panels of any kind to the outside. So the only non bus item that can be seen outwardly is the hitch receiver just below the back bumper, added cause I sometimes need to tow a car or trailer. My batteries charge while I'm driving, see little use when stealth parked at night. When camping have a plug hidden under the bus for plugging in my portable solar panels, the added bonus here is I can park in the shade and still have the panels in the sun for charging. When not towing/camping, the outside looks like any other business owned shuttle bus. As such it will never be invisible, so the most important thing for stealth is to look like I belong where I choose to park for the night. No matter what you drive, this should always be a top consideration for stealth, look like you belong where you're parked. I also keep the bus clean, a major factor for fitting in rather than sticking out. And driving what I do, wearing a nice business or Hawaiian shirt while driving, completes the official work look. Plus I do everything that will need to be done before sleep, before I park at my night location. So no sights, sounds, smells that would hint that someone is inside once I'm parked. Doing this, I have never had The Knock. But I did wake one time to some noise and the feeling of my bus moving. Some guys were jacking it up to steal my wheels/tires, glad I was there to stop what would have been a very costly loss. Also, that was the last time I tried to overnight in a city. Times have changed and cities overall have become very unsafe, do my best to avoid them all now. And when camping, now try not to isolate myself far away from the sights/sounds of others, again for safety reasons. Male or female, if you're isolated/alone these days, you can quickly become a target of opportunity for bad people wanting to do bad things. A dog is your best early warning devise, alerting before possible trouble reaches you door or window.. Giving you those precious added seconds to wake and grab your self defense items, which should always by at the ready. Remember it's better to have and not need, than to need and not have. To be a survivor, not a statistic. And sorry, but no I will not share my best stealth parking, go to locations here. If to many people use/abuse them, they too will be lost. Find what stealth areas work best for you, always treat them and any people you encounter there, with respect.
Ahaha, my van before was kind of stealthy, but now with the hi top its dead obvious. Like yours. I just got back from being all over the SW though, nobody cared, it's like they were thinking oh he's probably going to yada yada national park tmrrw. I figure I just look like some retiree traveling about.
Thank you lady. Great information. When I first started this journey, you were in the car! At a Walmart in deep snow! Trying to pee in a car. Lol I knew then, this was not going to be easy. You are amazing.❤
I love the Twins movie example! LOL!. Great recommendations, with a lot of common sense. 🥰😍
Great video. You're always so informative. Safe travels😊
My Astro stays in 1 spot no more than 3 days then I rotate the location
I know the landscapers & security schedule so no snoopers
and I have backup transportation if I do get towed but never have I been stealth for over 5 years
One of the most level-headed vids I've seen on this entire topic. Thanks!
Such a great vid. Thanks so much!
I’ve got a white Toyota Sienna minivan. It doesn’t stand out at all and is very stealth. I don’t have solar panels on the roof or anything else to give it away. I can park overnight in cities. For free dispersed camping, I use a tent in addition to the van to give another place to hang out.
Thanks for really good tips . I'm sure you have put a lot of people's minds a little bit to ease. Don't park illegally. Be aware of your surroundings and live your "van life".
Very helpful.
And by the way, your hair looks great.
Your hair looks amazing 😊
My first night i stayed at a casino, will try a hospital next.
Great video
Good advise
In my opinion
Just keep things simple
Some people tend to go above and beyond
More like a hobby
Not that that's bad
Ok but why is it illegal to overnight sleep, specially if it's out of people's way ?
Because governments don't like people with no fixed address
if you see what people will due while not being monitored, you will kinda understand, that in general there a alot of people with no sense, crazy, drug addicts, drunks, 40 yr.old, juvenile delinquents', ETC.
@@jupiter6647those are separate issues, not related to sleeping in a car (which is a harmless activity).
Hospitals and smaller hotel/motel parking lots work well for me..but I’m a weekend warrior for now..
I’ve gotten the knock multiple times even staying legitimately in a hotel as a paying customer. Car-camping, when done correctly, can be more private and feel safer.
Really by who? What happened? Did you even answer?
@@prophetseven728 Hotel maintenance in the middle of the night, drunk guests, other guests who think it’s a joke
There is no such thing as Stealth. You are kidding yourself if you think there is, the things that allow you some privacy will always give you away. People do these videos and everyone watches them. Secret is out.
This from a Former security officer assigned to hospital setting living in a high top former wheelchair car part of a commercial Fleet.
We know, and folks take offense to when others appear to be getting away with not paying their share, (taxes) Good Luck. To those trying to do the van life it's doable to a point, but more folks are doing it attention being called to it and "Authority" doesn't like it and will shut you down.
I wish y'all Good Luck.
I know the stress of trying to keep a roof over head, with health issues, many think that living in a van, RV ETC. Will be the answer. It might be for short while. We need A better solution to on going lack of affordable living situations.
Hi Allison
You give such good advice. In 5 years I have never gotten the knock. I love emergency room parking lots plus If I am staying a few days I like hospital multi level parking near the elevator no higher than the 2nd level.
In residential areas I park on a main St the passing cars dont bother me. I often park during a shift and leave on weekends I have stayed as if i am doing a double. My favorite was when the city was on lockdown because of a snow storm I spent 5 days In the same spot discovered the van next to me were nomads. We have remained friends over the years.
One tip my bedding is always black. Abd security comes around cleans snow off the car and plows the driveways. Plus highway rest stops have not been a problem during bad weather I park under a light and have never had a problem.
You'd better not be using ER parking lots. Those are for people who actually need them.
Thanks allison great tips hope you're enjoying yourself in you're new space never thought about looking suspicious with out of town plates on a van thanks again
This is awesome I’m currently 24 in the military showing people how to budget I get out at the end of this year and I need to know these things Hope anyone who sees this follows my journey wether u want to save money or see my future van
I’m from California and we used to Vanlife we don’t care❤❤
Insightful, and relevant to European experience too. Subscribed 👍
Awesome, thank you!
I enjoy these types of video. Good job!
So I like everything you said and I agree with the questions as well! One suggestion, do the necessary legal research that protects you from frivolous harassment, most impractical thing is to get to know the legal terms and the constitutional definitions between vehicle(considered to be in a commercial capacity, meaning you're either for hire or your profiting in its current state, automobile(you are not for hire, private you use everyday, not profiting, then domicile, this is your place of residence, it takes you into another category of legal codes which are not relevant to "driving" but because this is a version of your home, you now have a certain set of rights that you lost acting as a "driver"!
Awesome video and I'm only have way through it, and I love the fact that you allot of common sense!
Great video! Thank you!
I've known people who have work vans and there is a constant worry that the van will be broken into to steal tools since they are so expensive, mainly likely specialized items, not really hammers and ordinary items. 🛠🪚🧰🗜🪛
Thanks for the info. Your jingle is professional sounding, very catchy and fun! 👏🎶🎵
I would like travel in Spain in a van but heard there are many vans being broken into to steal stuff. Would be my biggest worry.
I plan on retiring in two years and will only get about $840/month Social Security. No way I will be able to live on that with rent. I will be 95% urban stealth camping. I have the money saved up in savings to buy a new/used 2023 E-350 14 ft. Cargoport box truck with pass-through ($60,000) + $40,000 for conversion with side door and plan on making it Uber-stealth. Standard plain white box truck with NO windows, black/gray/fresh tanks hidden under skirt, solar panels hidden behind roof edge lip frame so you can't see them from the ground. You would not be able to tell it was a camper without seeing from above the Solar panels and roof vent.
I won't be able to afford costly campground fees on my meager monthly SS. So my plan is to park on side streets in industrial areas with my commercial looking box truck. I was also thinking of seeing if I can find a nice manager in an industrial or commercial area who will give me permission to park in the back part of their large parking lot. Always making sure I respect them by not leaving trash around to ruin it for me.
What do others think? Am I being naive?
@@computernerdtechman that is a lot of money for something that you may not afford to fix if something happens. What about a log cabin/something similar in a nice place? It is not a city though...
@@InnocentiusLacrimosa You can't tour the country in a log cabin.
@@computernerdtechman true, but your original argument was that you cannot afford rent. Anyhow, if you want to tour: I hope all goes well with your plans. Happy touring!
Park on a street with lots of apartment blocks and you will never get bothered. Assuming you make no noise or let out light in the evening.
This may not be your journey right now anymore, but our family knows of a parking spot in Philly that has your name on it if you want. 😉
"to the point of fear"
Just imagine the worst scenario, and how it would go if you responded respectfully, happily, and helpfully.
There isn't much downside, other than having to move (unless you aren't in a state that agrees that your other hobbies are legal). And even then, happy, helpful, and considerate goes a long way. A tad slow helps, too.
Excellent video!
Some great pointers and information! Great video! Keep making memories & adventure on! ~Karen & Shannon WOY
I have dark windows the vehicle came like this but I definitely need a trailer for my stuff. I left a relationship, and partially is my dream to do this but when I started out for a month, I did kind of kept myself because people are busy bodies.
Hi love your info , im starting full-time, and a channel, scared to death your videos are helping with both
stealth van camping just means not being bothered by anyone randomly cus they see you living in there. You just wanna avoid a random knock on the window by someone asking what you are doing there. Having a van that can park in a normal parking spot, that does not exude smoke from a stove or from cooking, does not sound like a bass explosion party or have you visibly inside doing regular living stuff is kind of enough for people to leave you alone.
If people see you cooking in the parking lot they might have questions, if they see you watching tv... questions.
"Is this a camping site or a parking spot?" This is the question you want people to not have as it leads to annoyance, possible anger and eventually a call about a meth lab inside your van or about the perv that steals kids or a dog kidnapping situation... etc. etc. people can quickly become horrible if they want you to simply leave. All this is avoided by they simply not knowing that it's a home on wheels.
LoL I love you're insight into this and you have a sense of humor, don't try to hide that!!!💯🤣
Great video and good information.
I’m glad I watched this video. Great advice. I’ve been trying to figure out what to buy, and I was going to go stealth, but maybe it doesn’t really matter.
Hi. Im glad you have time to relax in a place of your own, free from the heat. And still doing VL content. You are a smart cookie. Just fyi, I hit the ❤ on a particular app. And never heard from you. Haha. You seem fresh and rested. God, keep blessing Allison. In Jesus name. 😊
Van life stealth camping has now been replaced by squatting.
I find this to be the biggest deterrent to considering this lifestyle. Who wants to feel like they have to hide or run all the time? It seems like the only options are hiding and being nervous in public places, paying exorbant park prices, or boondook 20 miles away from any services!
Great info. God be with you.❤❤❤❤
Good video. Thanks for posting it. Just ignore it if you get any haters!
Good tips. How bout, take care of your trash properly, (try to leave your areas better than when you arrived)💚 ... Proper places/areas, to dump your urine, not in a parking lot/area you just used to park/sleep/move on, proper stealth dumping lol🍋🏕🌄 'keep it clean'🍃
Good video, as always.
While in enjoy your videos, you are great. Have loved seeing you evolve
Love your tips and points - good ideas. (But - couldn't watch very long because of all the handwaving.) Enjoy your van life, Allison.
Late to the party but just about to start my fulltime minivan life and now hearing places like Walmart's and planet fitness are stopping overnight parking. I feel very nervous. I need to stay around Denver for about a month wrapping up doctor's appointments, dentist, etc. I hope vanlife/nomadic life will become more accepted.
Have you tried Pilot Truck stops? They have been friendly for overnight, and they have public and paid overnight. Asking is better.
In short, be as inconspicuous as possible and stay alert to your surroundings.
Yes exactly
Here in EU it's kinda illegal to sleep in the car in the urban areas, there for been stealth is a must. No stickers, no solar panels on the roof, heavy tinted vindows and best type is a minivan basicly only to sleep in during the night.
With minivan you can blend in any neighbouhood because it's know as mother's cars and used to transport kids to school.
In EU most of the countries have national car plates so you don't know if they're from the city or from other county which is plus.
Where in EU is it illegal to sleep in a car? Definitely not here in the Nordics. It would be a weird thing to outlaw.
@@InnocentiusLacrimosa Netherlands for example, I'll correct myself ,,you cannot live in the car unless its a caravan o camper and doing so in designated areas. You can sleep in your car if you're tired to drvive but not to live in it.
Great video ❤
Very helpful! Thank you!
I’ve not done Vanlife yet, but I’ve watched a lot of TH-camrs. I think by and large your average person as your out and about doesn’t care, people don’t pay as much attention as you’d think. People are usually in their own world. The biggest thing isn’t to be too obnoxious and obvious. It’s easier to park in apartments and hotel parking lots than in front of somebody’s house in a residential neighborhood. I heard Bob wells mention this once, but I hadn’t heard it too much-if you’re in a vehicle that looks too commercial you may run the risk of being pulled over for not having commercial looking license plates. Kind of does the opposite of trying to not bring attention to yourself. Lol.
Great Video! Awesome information Allison
Putting words and numbers on your van, making it look business, means cops will pull you over and ask for a CDL license. I don't recommend putting that on your van! It is far better to have a van with no windows in back, but no markings either. And if you have a door between the front drivers-passengers area and the back area, the better.
Interesting perspective. Good talk! ;-)
Atm i,m struggling to decide to get white transit or a old school camper like in the 80s 90s because people have been telling me the parts on vans like transit as well sprinters are very expensive and apparently old school vans are still pricey but not as much also the security aspect i guess the security is better on worker vans than old school campers also the stealth is there for the worker van way more than camper just trying to figure out what's the best. I will be living in the van full time i cant afford a house and its the best option for me and also I've been living in hotels, cars, family houses, random people houses basically nomad my whole life which i love but never a van any advice would be great fun video can't wait to watch the rest.
As many lengths as so many go to to not be noticed, barking dogs are very much noticed for many reasons. Some feel sorry for a dog that may be abused or too hot or something and a well meaning person ( wherever you are parked, neighborhood, park or Walmart lot, ) and call animal control.
Wonderful post! You’re a real peach. Keep going 💪🏾✨ 3:06
Great vido/chat. I've been doing research on this. What about also researching the locations of state fairgrounds and large sporting events? These tend to have travelers for their various sports and pasttimes who travel in trailers and large vehicles. Seems like a good place to blend in. Also I wondered about airport parking, or remote lots, maybe even large hospitals. Thoughts?
She's done a few videos talking about those things. Maybe she'll revisit these in the future though.
@@artdogg50 thnx, I'll go back
@@golfdogscookingtravel Yeah I'm not sure if she's talked about all of those though.
Been doing this for two years in a not so stealth van (solar and cargo box and surfboard on top with bike on bike rack in back) and bottom line is ya just need to be cool and blend in.
Again another important video. Too often other videos downplay many of the things you talk out. Other times people seem so afraid that they can come across as overly paranoid.
Hey good evening and how are you. Great channel 💯
How are you getting insurance, that then allows for the continuance of yearly tags..?
If you do not have a valid residential address.?
Yep... I've been living in a white Chevy Express cargo van for over 2 years now and I can tell you that "stealth" is bullshit. There is NO SUCH THING as stealth in van life. If you're parked somewhere overnight where overnight parking is not allowed, it DOES NOT MATTER how common, or ubiquitous your van is. You're either going to get "the knock" at best, or wake up to your van being rigged up to a tow truck at worst. No cop is going to say: "Oh, that's just a common work van, we'll just let them park there illegally".
The main thing I did to be stealth is pack very light so that I can have, for the interior of my SUV, a “car mode” & a “sleep mode.” This way, during the day & when I’m driving it just looks like a regular car inside. Nothing on any of the seats and it’s a dark interior. I have a few things on the floor but it’s all dark so nothing stands out (I hope).
My biggest problem with being stealth is at night because I didn’t make those window coverings with cloth and reflictix. I just bought the Heat Shield ones. I’m not sure exactly how stealthy those are. I think the front windshield is fine but if I’m under a light I think you can probably see something even though it’s the black side out.
I’ve mostly just been at truck stops or hospital parking lots so far though. But this may be something hat I revisit
So another one taking up parking space that sick people need.
Also know that if you are “discovered” while trying to be stealthy people will perceive you as “sneaky” or suspicious.
Thank you.
My take on the whole "stealth" concept is that so long as people are doing what they can to be stealthy they are being as unobtrusive as possible. Which is what every van lifer should be doing. Obviously anyone who is relatively intelligent can tell that the sprinter or promaster van with solar panels and window covers is being lived in. But so long as that person isn't dumping their grey water tank and putting up an awning most people won't care. Its when an RV from the 80s that spews smoke and has a missing bumper just sets up and doesn't move for weeks that it starts causing problems for people.
That's why minivans with tinted windows are the ultimate stealth van
You are awesome 🎉
Also if you're van looks like a work van it can be targeted by thieves looking for tools!