The most humane way to harvest meat is hunting. Its the ultimate free range. So if you eat meat you can't hate hunters. Think of how beautiful a life a wild deer has vs a farm raised pig or chicken. Plus hunters are notorious for using every possible part of their kill. I promise you that deer's hide is sent to a leather tanner, all the meat is used, etc etc. Hunting just to kill though....that's sick.
Completely agree, as someone who shoots regularly and who works in the beef and lamb industry the difference is significant. I have seen lambs and cattle arriving at slaughterhouses in awful conditions by a farmer who is under paid and over worked. Hunting and processing your meat this way is by far the more natural and humane way, the beasts are allowed to roam free and every part of the animal is utilised, not thrown away due to low market demand as I see most days.
Totally agree, some commercial farming practices are really abhorrent. I don’t hunt myself although always fancied it, have to make do with a known farmer who does meat boxes. At least I know where the meat comes from and I trust them.
For those who think this is evil and sick, think about it more than what you just see. Deer numbers are soaring as there are no predators to hunt them anymore. Hunting deer is beneficial for humans and the deer population. Controlling the hunt respectfully and butchering the beautiful animal for the healthiest meat in the world for humans to consume is totally fine with me. I'd do that job anyway.
David Patterson the deer numbers are soaring if there was nothing being done there wouldn’t be enough food for all the deer and then you would have deer dying from starvation this is the most humane way to do so without introducing natural predators
Man you guys haven't got a clue, the English dude as you put him is an absolute sik guy.... A proper legend. From the city a hard worker and obviously very open minded and willing to try and do new things. More young men should try to be like this dude! Respect bro and to you too vice!
Fair to call yourself a hunter now, welcome to the club young man,,you could see the maturity taking hold by the look in his eye,,job well done. That guide was top notch, one of the best in Scotland I suspect.
AAAAARGGGGHHH! YET AGAIN, another perverted, limp wristed plonker who loves the idea of killing defenceless animals that can't hit back, now coming on and telling us that this crap has something to do with becoming a REAL man. Bullshit! You want to be a real man? Let me see you do six months of hardcore boxing training! Or, how about working 15 hours a day in a low paid job - but putting up with it because you want to provide for your family? Or, how about heading down to the schemes and helping out people who are less fortunate than you? These are the things that real men do.
The guide is Niall Rowantree and you can find him doing a lot of work with the Fieldsports Britain team. He's a fantastic man with some incredible stories. Check out his interview with David Wright and you will find out how top notch the fella is.
@Wo Jak Wow! Here's how crazy your comment is: we're not arguing! That's right. There's NO WAY you're ever getting an argument out of me! I think you're a nut case and I've been around the block enough times to know not to mess with nut cases. So, happy new year and may you have a great day. Three cheers for you!
guys i worked quite a stack at a game farm in south Africa and often you will find you shoot a pregnant female . when your shooting at 300 meters its neigh on impossible to tell sometimes and it really really fucking sucks when your eviscerating and you find a fetus i promise there isn't a single half decent hunter whose heart doesn't drop at the sight. we actually managed to once save a baby after we had shot the mother and we called him billy the tame blesbok
Yup! From the size it can only be either Red, Fallow, or Roe deer (The 3 largest of our 6 wild species) The hind (female) red deer have a larger creamier coloured bottom with an overhanging tail, whereas a Roe deer has a smaller in size white shaped bottom. Then the easiest way to distinguish between Red and Fallow deer, a fallow deer hide will have loads of white spots whereas a Red deer has a generally uniform colour.
I'm glad this doc shows the emotional aspect of hunting. It's not some burly drunk dude running through the woods and murdering everything he sees. There's a deep emotional connection between the hunter and the animal.
Who's the rookie intern you hired to record audio on this documentary? Apart from that, brilliant content throughout. Love Deer. Love Scotland. Love Vice.
It's so important to know where your food is coming from, and this video shows a side that you just dont think about when it's just food on your plate.
The bear was an example. The reason why sports (football, UFC, boxing, baseball, soccer etc) are sports is because both teams (ex hunter/ pray) have an equal chance of winning. Here's a better example, when a lioness hunts a hog, its not a sport its hunting (for food). The term "hunting for sport" is used mainly to justify killing an animal for ornamental, or "pride" reasons. I am an active shooter and the times where I have hunted, its been for food, not for trophies (aka sport).
I never really understand why people shoot Hinds while in season or in general, I've always hunted for stags just so I don't run the risk of killing two animals in one.
This totally knocked me off guard. I thought they were supposed to preserve young females to keep the species thriving. That didn't seem like a very selective kill
I didn't say I would do anything at all, it's pretty obvious by my post that I don't hunt. But still, thanks for the decent response, you bring up some good points unlike the many "smart" people on here.
Hunting is the last pure link to our ancestors. You stalk, you kill, you eat. I learned from my elders the art of hunting and am passing it down to my children. Sad that so many have a wrong view of what it really is.
In case you didn't see the shot, he actually made the shot in the chest/heart of the deer. So, unlike the way you described, there was no blowing out of brains.
A) They didn't think of adding a warning on their previous videos. B) The person who uploaded the Syria videos did not upload this video. Very likely one of the both.
Why did you put a graphic content warning on this video where some deer are getting skinned and prepared to eat, but not the Syria videos, some of which contain shots of children with their stomachs literally sliced open by shrapnel with their guts spilling out? Not that I'm offended or anything, I just think it's weird that you apparently think the deer skinning is the more disturbing of the two things.
Yes, these things occasionally happen. If you pay attention to the deer before they cut it wide open, there is no way one could tell that the deer was pregnant. It was definitely not on purpose, and this has been done countless times over the past 50,000 years like you mentioned.
There's a difference between accidentally causing grief and ruining someone's life. The baby won't have a good life. You're argument is entirely invalid and you're making really awful, unrelated analogies. The baby can't feel so it's better to end it's life then and there rather than making it grow up in a struggling household and for the mother's life to also be ruined by it. Who are you to say that someone can't control their own body?
I am not opposed to hunting animals. Humans have done this for 50,000 plus year. But when he was cutting open that dear, and we got to see the baby deer that was inside. My heart sank. I saw the shock on his face when he saw that baby deer. You could see he felt bad about that. I would to for that matter.
Just pointing out, not trying to offend you, but that's actually the point of the cull, and why it happens at that time of year. In many Scottish Ecosystems, caribou have no natural predators (if you disclude man), so without the annual cull, caribou population gets too large, which is bad for the ecosystem.
yeah it does, in some places. Where I live, deer are such a danger while driving, hunters are the only thing that keep them in check. Wolves used to have that job, but they were all hunted away centuries ago. The deer thrived without them. My sister nearly died because of a deer accident. Then you have Australia, which is in danger of being turned into desert, because of rabbits. People NEED to kill them or else the land will DIE. Life is brutal. Hunting is better than slaughter houses.
I don't hunt, personally. But i live in a pretty rural area in the south of England where the deer-population is widely regarded as 'overpopulated'. The problem is that they have no natural predators left, because we destroyed them all, because we were also prey at one point. Thus they breed and breed and destroy/take away food for other creatures, reducing the diversity of the eco-system. So, there is licensed culling.
I'm gonna be honest. I find hunting (for food) fair, but I disagree on the rifles. It's too easy to blow away something that can't shoot back from 1/2 a mile away and call it a "natural process". With this said I would never go hunting myself, I like the range more and I don't know how I'd feel about killing something with my own hands. To each his own.
people overcome trauma, a kid has the capacity to effectiely ruin your life if you are in now way prepared for it. Just in terms of what is best for society, having some control over childbirth is clearly a good thing.
To be clear I'm talking about hunting as a hobby/sport. Where all they get out of killing animals is a kick, a photo op and a souvenir. That is very wrong. Yes I eat meat and no I'm not back pedaling.
actually it's the other way around! in fact - if no one ate any meat, we could easily feed many more humans than there are right now because of all the food, water and infrastructure that goes into meat production!
Without performing the process you just witnessed for thousands of years, your ancestors would have never lived long enough to give birth to more of your ancestors. Hunting IS in your blood whether you like it or not.
The protein has nothing to do with it. Its how we had to learn to get it is what grew us. Here's a fun fact; If it wasn't for beer, we may still be hunters and gatherers.
Love how people say its sick , this is humane compared to that pack you buy in the super-market it had a good life. Its nice to see a vice episode in Scotland (fellow scot) And of course it tastes delicious.
Reminds me of one time I found a baby deer that I thought was abandoned. I took it home, figured out that you can give em goat milk, tried to take care of it...and then it just fucking died for no apparent reason. Its mother came for it, but it was too late. I most likely killed that deer with my ignorance and good intentions. There's nothing wrong with hunting.
Mathias, why not research the topic instead of prevaricating on here. There is a healthy head of deer in Scotland which without any natural predation requires human intervention to maintain the habitat and believe it or not the health and welfare of the deer herds. Without this management then the deer population would explode and their health decline. Well put together footage with personal feelings making it real for all to see.
@@feuderali1234 I know but I'm saying that the hunter clearly saw he was uncomfortable and still did it. Probably laughed his arse off when he got home.
Someone answer a question I have. So why exactly is hunting wrong. Is it because the animal is alive. One could argue that vegetables are alive two whats the difference?
Also hunting a bear with a spear is illegal in the US. You can only kill one with a spear or bladed weapon for self defense. I don't knock football or other sports because i dont like them, nor do i say they are not sports because other people do like them. Why would you think that hunting is not a sport because you simply do not like it or have even experienced it.
The most humane way to harvest meat is hunting. Its the ultimate free range. So if you eat meat you can't hate hunters. Think of how beautiful a life a wild deer has vs a farm raised pig or chicken. Plus hunters are notorious for using every possible part of their kill. I promise you that deer's hide is sent to a leather tanner, all the meat is used, etc etc.
Hunting just to kill though....that's sick.
Completely agree, as someone who shoots regularly and who works in the beef and lamb industry the difference is significant. I have seen lambs and cattle arriving at slaughterhouses in awful conditions by a farmer who is under paid and over worked. Hunting and processing your meat this way is by far the more natural and humane way, the beasts are allowed to roam free and every part of the animal is utilised, not thrown away due to low market demand as I see most days.
Preppy Shooter HEAR HEAR! I thank you for your common sense
Totally agree, some commercial farming practices are really abhorrent. I don’t hunt myself although always fancied it, have to make do with a known farmer who does meat boxes. At least I know where the meat comes from and I trust them.
For those who think this is evil and sick, think about it more than what you just see. Deer numbers are soaring as there are no predators to hunt them anymore. Hunting deer is beneficial for humans and the deer population. Controlling the hunt respectfully and butchering the beautiful animal for the healthiest meat in the world for humans to consume is totally fine with me. I'd do that job anyway.
Your an idiot if you actually read into it you would find that it is not beneficial to the population but hurts the population.
+Willie Stroker *You're
+Willie Stroker that's not true at all. I don't know where you heard that.
David Patterson the deer numbers are soaring if there was nothing being done there wouldn’t be enough food for all the deer and then you would have deer dying from starvation this is the most humane way to do so without introducing natural predators
I suspect Scotland has plenty of grass to feed the soaring population. @@idky2685
Man you guys haven't got a clue, the English dude as you put him is an absolute sik guy.... A proper legend. From the city a hard worker and obviously very open minded and willing to try and do new things. More young men should try to be like this dude! Respect bro and to you too vice!
Hes crying over hunting lmaoo
Rory mayoh I do respect his capacity to try new things, but calling him a hard worker is a bit of a stretch.
Fair to call yourself a hunter now, welcome to the club young man,,you could see the maturity taking hold by the look in his eye,,job well done.
That guide was top notch, one of the best in Scotland I suspect.
Aye came across as a true professional and a nice fella ta boot
AAAAARGGGGHHH! YET AGAIN, another perverted, limp wristed plonker who loves the idea of killing defenceless animals that can't hit back, now coming on and telling us that this crap has something to do with becoming a REAL man. Bullshit!
You want to be a real man? Let me see you do six months of hardcore boxing training! Or, how about working 15 hours a day in a low paid job - but putting up with it because you want to provide for your family? Or, how about heading down to the schemes and helping out people who are less fortunate than you? These are the things that real men do.
David Connelly do you eat meat?
The guide is Niall Rowantree and you can find him doing a lot of work with the Fieldsports Britain team. He's a fantastic man with some incredible stories. Check out his interview with David Wright and you will find out how top notch the fella is.
@Wo Jak Wow! Here's how crazy your comment is: we're not arguing! That's right. There's NO WAY you're ever getting an argument out of me! I think you're a nut case and I've been around the block enough times to know not to mess with nut cases. So, happy new year and may you have a great day. Three cheers for you!
This guy is my favorite vice journalist.
I'm a veggie and I watched this. No complaint here. I respect people willing to investigate where their food comes from.
The feelings he must of felt after seeing the dead baby deer. It was a good hunt though and there was alot of respect
I can speak from experience that finding a deer with a fawn fetus is never easy.
the worst thing you can do is kill a dear and not eat it and some other stuff like torture but mostly not eating it
Where the closed captions say "inaudible" he said "pull the stomach away". Just in case you were wondering
guys i worked quite a stack at a game farm in south Africa and often you will find you shoot a pregnant female . when your shooting at 300 meters its neigh on impossible to tell sometimes and it really really fucking sucks when your eviscerating and you find a fetus i promise there isn't a single half decent hunter whose heart doesn't drop at the sight. we actually managed to once save a baby after we had shot the mother and we called him billy the tame blesbok
Vice does it once again, dope documentaries till no end...
thanks for keeping it real, Vice. nice to see my country on here
Awesome video! Thank you for showing hunting in a positive light.
He's a good man for doing this, and recognizing in some way that the skinning and gutting was "justifying 25 years of eating muscle meat".
Watch this entirely before you judge! This is raw reality at its finest!
I think this was a very informative documentary showing hunting as a way to be able to stay in such a remote region, presented in an objective way.
Yup! From the size it can only be either Red, Fallow, or Roe deer (The 3 largest of our 6 wild species)
The hind (female) red deer have a larger creamier coloured bottom with an overhanging tail, whereas a Roe deer has a smaller in size white shaped bottom. Then the easiest way to distinguish between Red and Fallow deer, a fallow deer hide will have loads of white spots whereas a Red deer has a generally uniform colour.
I'm glad this doc shows the emotional aspect of hunting. It's not some burly drunk dude running through the woods and murdering everything he sees. There's a deep emotional connection between the hunter and the animal.
Those things taste great.
this is something i never wanted to see but im glade i did, it gave me a new respect for hunting
Who's the rookie intern you hired to record audio on this documentary? Apart from that, brilliant content throughout. Love Deer. Love Scotland. Love Vice.
just a natural and cultural medium that humans have done for thousands of years, good for you Vice for showing it frankly
the fact that you took the time to warn us is really delightful. futile, granted, but really quite nice.
You're right, i forgot to mention during over populated areas. That's why the special tags when over population occurs. My neighbor was fined last yr
wow I wouldn't want you within a mile holding a loaded gun the way you do
The dears face on the thumbnail is why i clicked. Its so funny LOL
5:14 that break
Thanks for your concern!
It's so important to know where your food is coming from, and this video shows a side that you just dont think about when it's just food on your plate.
Vice always has the best intro songs!
Awesome doc and excellent raw reporting.
The bear was an example. The reason why sports (football, UFC, boxing, baseball, soccer etc) are sports is because both teams (ex hunter/ pray) have an equal chance of winning. Here's a better example, when a lioness hunts a hog, its not a sport its hunting (for food). The term "hunting for sport" is used mainly to justify killing an animal for ornamental, or "pride" reasons. I am an active shooter and the times where I have hunted, its been for food, not for trophies (aka sport).
"it looks like a 'Geiger' drawing" love that line lol
I never really understand why people shoot Hinds while in season or in general, I've always hunted for stags just so I don't run the risk of killing two animals in one.
This totally knocked me off guard. I thought they were supposed to preserve young females to keep the species thriving. That didn't seem like a very selective kill
I didn't say I would do anything at all, it's pretty obvious by my post that I don't hunt. But still, thanks for the decent response, you bring up some good points unlike the many "smart" people on here.
There is such quality on youtube these days
i think vice should do a hunting series
I'm of celtic descent, never been to Scotland.
This straight up made me homesick.
That deer fetus was haunting
ye. i didnt want to start a ethic discussion (especially not on youtube). but i understand your position.
Great documentary. People need to see this.
that moment with the baby deer really touched...
Hunting is the last pure link to our ancestors. You stalk, you kill, you eat. I learned from my elders the art of hunting and am passing it down to my children.
Sad that so many have a wrong view of what it really is.
the foetus has left me speechless
In case you didn't see the shot, he actually made the shot in the chest/heart of the deer. So, unlike the way you described, there was no blowing out of brains.
A) They didn't think of adding a warning on their previous videos.
B) The person who uploaded the Syria videos did not upload this video.
Very likely one of the both.
Great video Vice, I go hunting every year here in Oregon.
Great video. Can't wait to see how similar Alex's and Joe Rogan's experiences were when the air Joe's first hunt with Steve Rinella.
i respect your point of view .....my self ....i love hunting .
Great Documentary, Thankyou Vice!!!
Why did you put a graphic content warning on this video where some deer are getting skinned and prepared to eat, but not the Syria videos, some of which contain shots of children with their stomachs literally sliced open by shrapnel with their guts spilling out? Not that I'm offended or anything, I just think it's weird that you apparently think the deer skinning is the more disturbing of the two things.
Very interesting, thanks for a good documentary, Vice. I like the reporter a lot, too.
Oh I misread. I meant it's worse in farms and slaughterhouses. Sorry about that.
Yes, these things occasionally happen. If you pay attention to the deer before they cut it wide open, there is no way one could tell that the deer was pregnant. It was definitely not on purpose, and this has been done countless times over the past 50,000 years like you mentioned.
There's a difference between accidentally causing grief and ruining someone's life. The baby won't have a good life. You're argument is entirely invalid and you're making really awful, unrelated analogies. The baby can't feel so it's better to end it's life then and there rather than making it grow up in a struggling household and for the mother's life to also be ruined by it. Who are you to say that someone can't control their own body?
I am not opposed to hunting animals. Humans have done this for 50,000 plus year. But when he was cutting open that dear, and we got to see the baby deer that was inside. My heart sank. I saw the shock on his face when he saw that baby deer. You could see he felt bad about that. I would to for that matter.
great documentary thanks for the good work !
Just pointing out, not trying to offend you, but that's actually the point of the cull, and why it happens at that time of year. In many Scottish Ecosystems, caribou have no natural predators (if you disclude man), so without the annual cull, caribou population gets too large, which is bad for the ecosystem.
Nice video. I'd love to get up that way next time I'm in Scotland. Beautiful scenery and great people.
the calf broke my heart
Great Job Vice! Keep putting these kids in crazy situations. The more you know!
yeah it does, in some places. Where I live, deer are such a danger while driving, hunters are the only thing that keep them in check. Wolves used to have that job, but they were all hunted away centuries ago. The deer thrived without them. My sister nearly died because of a deer accident.
Then you have Australia, which is in danger of being turned into desert, because of rabbits. People NEED to kill them or else the land will DIE. Life is brutal. Hunting is better than slaughter houses.
Great story, Vice.
I don't hunt, personally. But i live in a pretty rural area in the south of England where the deer-population is widely regarded as 'overpopulated'. The problem is that they have no natural predators left, because we destroyed them all, because we were also prey at one point. Thus they breed and breed and destroy/take away food for other creatures, reducing the diversity of the eco-system. So, there is licensed culling.
The reason that is wrong is that it's not motivated by anything but your own malice and bloodlust.
I'm gonna be honest. I find hunting (for food) fair, but I disagree on the rifles. It's too easy to blow away something that can't shoot back from 1/2 a mile away and call it a "natural process". With this said I would never go hunting myself, I like the range more and I don't know how I'd feel about killing something with my own hands. To each his own.
yes that is very true. but my point was towards animals like chickens and cows ect. which aptly recognized in my general claim.
people overcome trauma, a kid has the capacity to effectiely ruin your life if you are in now way prepared for it. Just in terms of what is best for society, having some control over childbirth is clearly a good thing.
why did they rip the deers jaws apart. was it part of the skinning process or what?
To be clear I'm talking about hunting as a hobby/sport. Where all they get out of killing animals is a kick, a photo op and a souvenir. That is very wrong. Yes I eat meat and no I'm not back pedaling.
actually it's the other way around! in fact - if no one ate any meat, we could easily feed many more humans than there are right now because of all the food, water and infrastructure that goes into meat production!
Without performing the process you just witnessed for thousands of years, your ancestors would have never lived long enough to give birth to more of your ancestors. Hunting IS in your blood whether you like it or not.
I'm a moron for saying, 'hunting is wrong'? Would you mind explaining why, 'sir'?
The protein has nothing to do with it. Its how we had to learn to get it is what grew us. Here's a fun fact; If it wasn't for beer, we may still be hunters and gatherers.
When you hit a ball out of bounds in cricket, you get six points. To be knocked for six is to be overcome.
Wasn't expecting that, nice video
good vid. thanks vice
Love how people say its sick , this is humane compared to that pack you buy in the super-market it had a good life. Its nice to see a vice episode in Scotland (fellow scot) And of course it tastes delicious.
Reminds me of one time I found a baby deer that I thought was abandoned. I took it home, figured out that you can give em goat milk, tried to take care of it...and then it just fucking died for no apparent reason. Its mother came for it, but it was too late. I most likely killed that deer with my ignorance and good intentions. There's nothing wrong with hunting.
Mathias, why not research the topic instead of prevaricating on here. There is a healthy head of deer in Scotland which without any natural predation requires human intervention to maintain the habitat and believe it or not the health and welfare of the deer herds. Without this management then the deer population would explode and their health decline. Well put together footage with personal feelings making it real for all to see.
fare enough, im not saying i burst into tears or anything :-/ and it has faded with time, but it is still there even for a milisecond.
Ben Franklin was not a vegetarian, and there remains no proof other than that he loved animals that Davinci was either.
No they wouldn't, what do you think we did before cattle farming? We got together, took down a big ass animal, and ate it around a fire.
I love how the hunter actively went out of his way to make him uncomfertable by rubbing the blood on his face 😂😂😂
That's called blooding, it's a tradition when someone gets their first kill.
@@feuderali1234
I know but I'm saying that the hunter clearly saw he was uncomfortable and still did it. Probably laughed his arse off when he got home.
It would have been funny if VICE had sent the "all around loser" to scotland for this. haha
I've hunting boar a whole lot but this is one hunt I would love to take part in a stalk like this.
The floor is just that color, It was still red while they were washing the hide. Also it isn't the right color for animal blood its a bit darker red.
So when you ask her why she's crying she says, "It's nothing, I'm fine?"
oh yeah of course
Someone answer a question I have. So why exactly is hunting wrong. Is it because the animal is alive. One could argue that vegetables are alive two whats the difference?
I guess what I'm getting at is, what is more traumatic to an unprepared mother: going ahead with the pregnancy or having an abortion?
I'm confused if you guys watched the video, Alex constantly brings up that this is more humane than any of the animal farms.
It made complete and total since to me, read it again with an open mind.
What is the problem? The deer lived free until it died... The industrial meat production on the other hand, is abhorrent (especially in the US)....
yeah of course.
How insightful.
great vid vice keep it up
Also hunting a bear with a spear is illegal in the US. You can only kill one with a spear or bladed weapon for self defense. I don't knock football or other sports because i dont like them, nor do i say they are not sports because other people do like them. Why would you think that hunting is not a sport because you simply do not like it or have even experienced it.
Well done. ATB, RoeStalker
You kind of lost your moral high ground with that last word, sir.