Thanks for the likely explanation. There are a lot of details about these beasts that I still don't know. My haziest speculation was catastrophic failure of the prime mover and a massive discharge of diesel smoke.
Es44ac tier 4 locomotive. More than likely the EGR cooler let loose and the carnage when that happens is epic. It literally turns the oil into mayonnaise and the coolant into jello.
@19:11 After visiting Skykomish, Horse Shoe Curve, and La Grange we finally made it on a grab bag! Honestly, the best of the locations we've been to yet. Where we try next... nobody knows! (we have no idea... zipo, nota, ziltch) Happy travels rail fans :) EDIT: Apparently I can't spell shoe without supervision... thanks hun
Couple of things from a railroader's perspective: Looking up the road number, the lead engine is a Dash 9-44CW, so it's old enough that it doesn't have any emissions controls on it (such as DPF, EGR, or SCR). The "scream" you're hearing is cooling fans. I'm not especially familiar with GE prime movers but I know that GE cooling fans, even just the radiator fans sound like that. The engine might be as high as notch six (give or take a notch) guessing by the rpms on the prime mover (the "thum thum thum" sound). Now, that kind of like high-pressure air hiss/whoosh sound you hear is common as well when the railroads do things like not change air filters to save a buck (or so they think). Basically it has a partially restricted intake path somewhere as a guess. The engine isn't smoking or throwing flame out the stack so it isn't running excessively rich, which suggests engine management is getting all (or almost all) the air it's asking for (GE prime movers specifically seem to be less than great at adjusting for reduced combustion air). So, up until the prime mover releases the forbidden glitter and dumps steel McNuggies in to the cylinder heads, it appears to be functioning as intended (minus potential restrictions in the intake system). However, when whatever it is goes, you hear a "THRASH TRHASH CRASH" sound. Having said all that, I can see two possible scenarios: 1) Turbo grenade, and 2) Rod went bye-bye and tossed a piston up and out the top of the power assembly. Given a quick search for known failures on those prime movers, and how they react to them a totally blown turbo wouldn't actually shut the prime mover down, just drastically de-rate it and put a bunch of warnings up on engine management (and email the power director the loco is attached to). In this case, my semi-educated guess is that there are now unintended windows into one or more cylinders on the prime mover. Specifically that higher-rpm thrashing sound makes me think something like a journal or rod bearing gave up and trashed the prime mover. This might actually get someone a text message instead of just an email ;)
The locomotive is NOT a Dash 9-44CW, it is an ET-44 Tier 4 emission-controlled locomotive. The offset exhaust stack and overheight radiator is the visual evidence. It obviously did suffer a major mechanical failure--maybe or maybe not related to the complex Tier 4 emission system.
Gotta get a cam over in Portland Oregon or Vancouver. Anyone on here that can help get one up and operational? I've been thinking of speaking to the folks at Oregon Rail Heritage Foundation, or the Oregon Historical Society to see if they'd sponsor a cam.
Maybe I am not catching them, but it seems like very few Sante Fe warbonnet are passing the cameras, and the units in warbonnet livery have the BNSF marking on the side
Over the early days of January we had a marathon of Train videos. I enjoyed this so much, especially+I ally those involving Horse Shoe Curve in Altoona, Pa. The grade there is mre difficult than it appears, Norfolk Southern had two issues there over the last summer, but this event more recent. Train stalled, engineer on “hot mic”, calling for help as he is stalled. The dispatcher asked about the engines, the engineer replied “I have two on the head end.” “What does that mean says the dispatcher?” The engineer at this point says, “where do they get these people?” The remainder of the conversation was hysterical as the engineer cannot understand the management response to the events on the high iron.
At 12:10, after the Heritage unit why would BNSF lower themselves to the tightwad level of CSX? Looks crooked anyway, taggers I hope. And at 13:11 whatever GE put in the Exhaust blew out, a T4 to T0.
That's a weird train at 4:53. You rarely show trains going slow there, but it had 5 or 6 engines, many with their cab lights on, pulling about a dozen hoppers.
Busy night. Speed is based on the track limits, and slowed by the actual traffic ahead of this train. I don't know the area, but, perhaps there was a pickup or set off at a nearby spur and the train is just getting up to speed.
0:13 CP 8781 as mid-train DPU on a container train 1:27 NS 4125, UP 7272 in new paint (not the new livery since it has the wings and no flag at all), and NS 1072 Illinois Terminal heritage unit. The Illinois Terminal was the biggest interurban system in the country and was able to transform itself into a diesel freight railroad in the 60s 2:06 two RailPower RP20CD gensets. They each have three smaller diesel engines instead one big prime mover 2:24 GEVO, Dash 9, GP60M, SD40-2, and SD60M triclops 3:02 unusual replacement panel on this BNSF GEVO 3:17 Amtrak business cars on the Southwest Chief! (again at 15:54) 3:43 UP 1989 leading 4:13 MARC coach on a freight train 4:58 five big locomotives and 16 hopper cars! 5:42 12-unit light power move 6:12 CSX 4568 leading 7:22 this geep has a nice K5LA 8:16 Amtrak 145 leading the Lake Shore Limited 8:33 this idiot tries to cross between stopped tankers, even when the cars are still making noises 9:52 2-piece Loram grinder in Roanoke yard (full grinder at the same location at 17:29) 10:43 Herzog MPM the 28th with MOW hoppers and well cars 11:38 WOW! tie carrying cars with new, untreated ties 12:06 BNSF 6887 has a Santa Fe sticker on the nose like some CSX engines have stickers of their predecessor roads 12:30 10-unit light power move 13:00 an ET44AC suddenly starts smoking up! 14:56 this guy doesn't care there's a train speeding towards him from behind 16:20 CSX 3194 trailing 17:57 CN triple-header in Wichita 18:34 Texas Eagle racing an intermodal 20:28 ACS64 on the Pennsylvanina to Pittsburgh! The wires end at Harrisburg where the Keystone Service terminates 20:42 CP 8757 leading 21:18 warbonnet leading an 11-unit power move 22:14 Dash 8 on a Silver service in Plant City
From the outside looking in, I see a lot of trains with engines from various railroad lines. I would think that each line has a tremendous investment in locomotives. How does anyone keep track of their equipment?
At 14:13 when I came to a complete stop I would look at my watch to determine how much time I had to work and with one engine you pretty much have them “ in a pickle”……call us a cab~~~ an in these situations train dispatchers get dumb in a hurry and he’s looking at his watch to see how much time until he goes home because no one gives a * hit anymore….
That was probably a turbo that blew on the CN GEVO. Turbo diesel engines can run without the turbo going, so without a turbo it's not doing anything, so it wasn't going to make any power. They probably also had to emergency stop because it would no longer supply air to the brakes
I'm thinking the (EGR) Exhaust Gas Recirculation System failed given the top exhaust stack few off from the explosion, I've seen another video of this same Loco just slightly more down the track and that's what you see fly off is the Stack top.
Some quick research shows that those are Railpower RP20CDs. Very funky looking genset locomotives, meaning they have several (usually 2-4) smaller engines rather than one massive prime mover. Very unusual locomotives and I’m not exactly sure what they’re used for, but if someone knows feel free to add on to my comment
You have to listen closely, but right when the "explosion" happens there a sound of a metal panel clattering off. VR has shown video before of an engine losing one of it's cooling fans, which jumps right through the roof and takes off on it's on trajectory. So whatever happened here, I bet there's a chunk of sheet steal missing off the roof of the cooling compartment.
this guy could have been a lot more of a DARWIN AWARD winner if he had waited for the train to clear ! standing outside in freezing weather in Canada is a quicker way to die than passing through a stopped train ! i've seen some trains sit for hours ! like the grab bags ; but the dummies here are anyone who thinks they would have stood and waited !
13:26 turbo let go and the axial turbine wheel went into the exhaust and knocked the soot out of the particulate filer …the dash probly lit up from high exhaust temperature and a loss of intake manifold pressure
8:31 When I saw that on the live stream, as soon as that train stopped and he took those first slow steps forward, I knew what was coming. The next Darwin candidate. I guess given that the guy was actually standing there in the freezing night for 15 minutes waiting for the yo-yo train to finally move on instead of running back and forth, it was no big surprise.
I’m not an expert but I believe the CN engine blew a turbo. You can see something shooting out of the top and off to the side.
yep
You could hear the engine howling too, as it passed by.
Thanks for the likely explanation. There are a lot of details about these beasts that I still don't know. My haziest speculation was catastrophic failure of the prime mover and a massive discharge of diesel smoke.
Es44ac tier 4 locomotive. More than likely the EGR cooler let loose and the carnage when that happens is epic. It literally turns the oil into mayonnaise and the coolant into jello.
Just what I was thinking too. The black smoke would be from the lack of oxygen due to turbo failure.
Boy some of these models look so real!!
@19:11 After visiting Skykomish, Horse Shoe Curve, and La Grange we finally made it on a grab bag! Honestly, the best of the locations we've been to yet. Where we try next... nobody knows! (we have no idea... zipo, nota, ziltch)
Happy travels rail fans :)
EDIT: Apparently I can't spell shoe without supervision... thanks hun
Excellent catch my friend. Thumbs-up. Greetings. Watching from Bangladesh
Great video. I like the ending too!
Couple of things from a railroader's perspective:
Looking up the road number, the lead engine is a Dash 9-44CW, so it's old enough that it doesn't have any emissions controls on it (such as DPF, EGR, or SCR).
The "scream" you're hearing is cooling fans. I'm not especially familiar with GE prime movers but I know that GE cooling fans, even just the radiator fans sound like that.
The engine might be as high as notch six (give or take a notch) guessing by the rpms on the prime mover (the "thum thum thum" sound).
Now, that kind of like high-pressure air hiss/whoosh sound you hear is common as well when the railroads do things like not change air filters to save a buck (or so they think). Basically it has a partially restricted intake path somewhere as a guess.
The engine isn't smoking or throwing flame out the stack so it isn't running excessively rich, which suggests engine management is getting all (or almost all) the air it's asking for (GE prime movers specifically seem to be less than great at adjusting for reduced combustion air).
So, up until the prime mover releases the forbidden glitter and dumps steel McNuggies in to the cylinder heads, it appears to be functioning as intended (minus potential restrictions in the intake system). However, when whatever it is goes, you hear a "THRASH TRHASH CRASH" sound.
Having said all that, I can see two possible scenarios: 1) Turbo grenade, and 2) Rod went bye-bye and tossed a piston up and out the top of the power assembly.
Given a quick search for known failures on those prime movers, and how they react to them a totally blown turbo wouldn't actually shut the prime mover down, just drastically de-rate it and put a bunch of warnings up on engine management (and email the power director the loco is attached to).
In this case, my semi-educated guess is that there are now unintended windows into one or more cylinders on the prime mover.
Specifically that higher-rpm thrashing sound makes me think something like a journal or rod bearing gave up and trashed the prime mover. This might actually get someone a text message instead of just an email ;)
The locomotive is NOT a Dash 9-44CW, it is an ET-44 Tier 4 emission-controlled locomotive. The offset exhaust stack and overheight radiator is the visual evidence. It obviously did suffer a major mechanical failure--maybe or maybe not related to the complex Tier 4 emission system.
Great write up..good insight..agree..thank you Jason
You're no railroader.
It sure looked like a blown power assembly to me. A turbo usually doesn't kaboom quite like that.
SD70’s sound so good, in whatever configuration they are.
Epic ending music, perfect with visuals!🏆👍🏿
The new cam in Skykomish is awesome, great views, thanks VR
It is I just wonder why they can’t get a new on at the pass in California no audio for close to a year !
Yet another astounding video!! Thank you for posting. ❤👍
Nice Musical Theater of Sunrise in Sky and Sunset In LaPlata 🌅
4:59 I got a good laugh from this horn sequence. The two longs weren't all that long and I just can't stop laughing from that short.
The sunset from La Plata was wonderful
What a start. Executive livery and a bit later - Illinois Terminal. Fantastic. Thanks all at VR.
Like the end scene at Skykomish and the fast forwarding with the fog rolling in makes it look like an invisible ghost train, koool!!!!!
As always awesome stuff...Raven was a grand bonus😊
Great ending. Love the tunes.Thanks
Beautiful music and scenery in this one. Thank you!!
13:09 This is just how they announce the new Railroad Pope.
After 25 (and in some cases, 30) years, those Grinstein BN SD70MACs still look good!
Glad to see new cameras in Decatur AL and Cordele GA. Mike, Justin, and crew have really done the legwork to make that happen.
Gotta get a cam over in Portland Oregon or Vancouver. Anyone on here that can help get one up and operational? I've been thinking of speaking to the folks at Oregon Rail Heritage Foundation, or the Oregon Historical Society to see if they'd sponsor a cam.
9:45 the foxes crossed the tracks properly by not stepping on the rails. They are smarter than a lot of people I know.
Woohoo!! Skykomish is getting some love. That new camera is great!!
Want to add my thanks for all the Skykomish clips! We do love our new camera.
Beautifully done....Thank you ...👍
Another fiery evening in La Plata. Wake up, Skykomish!
What were the rounded nose engines at Rochelle?
A double musical finale to the video, outstanding presentation and choice, keep up the work, and greetings from the UK
Awesome Video That black smoke that came out of the top of that train..wonder if a piston went on the motor
Nah, the engineer had "gas" that day.
*Awesome!*
Excellent rail footage . . and you guys have a feel for good music as well : >)
Crazy to see that CN blow a turbo as that’s a new ET44ac only about 2 years old
Yeah, but then again, those GEs do go down rather spectacularly!
Maybe I am not catching them, but it seems like very few Sante Fe warbonnet are passing the cameras, and the units in warbonnet livery have the BNSF marking on the side
There's still a few locomotives in full Santa Fe paint floating around! I was fortunate enough to catch a couple at Thayer, Missouri not to long ago!
9:50 You missed an opportunity to play "Fox On The Run" by Sweet.
Nature's Daredevils
Or Ace Frehley's version
Over the early days of January we had a marathon of Train videos. I enjoyed this so much, especially+I ally those involving Horse Shoe Curve in Altoona, Pa. The grade there is mre difficult than it appears, Norfolk Southern had two issues there over the last summer, but this event more recent. Train stalled, engineer on “hot mic”, calling for help as he is stalled. The dispatcher asked about the engines, the engineer replied “I have two on the head end.” “What does that mean says the dispatcher?” The engineer at this point says, “where do they get these people?” The remainder of the conversation was hysterical as the engineer cannot understand the management response to the events on the high iron.
Awesome Video VRF
🍂👍🇮🇳👍🍂
I’m so glad Decatur is on virtual railcam
Arkansas? ....I wish lol
Now if they could get one Anniston somewhere on the line between Atlanta and Birmingham
I would like 2 see a cam at Stevenson AL
I'll bet that turbo just burst...
Thanks!
At 12:10, after the Heritage unit why would BNSF lower themselves to
the tightwad level of CSX? Looks crooked anyway, taggers I hope.
And at 13:11 whatever GE put in the Exhaust blew out, a T4 to T0.
Nice cargo on the Decatur, AL train.
Love that Herzog train!
That diesel exhaust coming out at 7:30 on Norfolk Southern was nice .
Love belching exhaust.
Beautiful grab Thank you.
Saw the La Plata one a few nights ago..
Great coverage 😍👌
You caught an AMTRAK zipper at Big Sandy!! A rare category!
That's a weird train at 4:53. You rarely show trains going slow there, but it had 5 or 6 engines, many with their cab lights on, pulling about a dozen hoppers.
Busy night. Speed is based on the track limits, and slowed by the actual traffic ahead of this train. I don't know the area, but, perhaps there was a pickup or set off at a nearby spur and the train is just getting up to speed.
Great Tier 4 GE quality...
What's the MARC car doing?
0:13 CP 8781 as mid-train DPU on a container train
1:27 NS 4125, UP 7272 in new paint (not the new livery since it has the wings and no flag at all), and NS 1072 Illinois Terminal heritage unit. The Illinois Terminal was the biggest interurban system in the country and was able to transform itself into a diesel freight railroad in the 60s
2:06 two RailPower RP20CD gensets. They each have three smaller diesel engines instead one big prime mover
2:24 GEVO, Dash 9, GP60M, SD40-2, and SD60M triclops
3:02 unusual replacement panel on this BNSF GEVO
3:17 Amtrak business cars on the Southwest Chief! (again at 15:54)
3:43 UP 1989 leading
4:13 MARC coach on a freight train
4:58 five big locomotives and 16 hopper cars!
5:42 12-unit light power move
6:12 CSX 4568 leading
7:22 this geep has a nice K5LA
8:16 Amtrak 145 leading the Lake Shore Limited
8:33 this idiot tries to cross between stopped tankers, even when the cars are still making noises
9:52 2-piece Loram grinder in Roanoke yard (full grinder at the same location at 17:29)
10:43 Herzog MPM the 28th with MOW hoppers and well cars
11:38 WOW! tie carrying cars with new, untreated ties
12:06 BNSF 6887 has a Santa Fe sticker on the nose like some CSX engines have stickers of their predecessor roads
12:30 10-unit light power move
13:00 an ET44AC suddenly starts smoking up!
14:56 this guy doesn't care there's a train speeding towards him from behind
16:20 CSX 3194 trailing
17:57 CN triple-header in Wichita
18:34 Texas Eagle racing an intermodal
20:28 ACS64 on the Pennsylvanina to Pittsburgh! The wires end at Harrisburg where the Keystone Service terminates
20:42 CP 8757 leading
21:18 warbonnet leading an 11-unit power move
22:14 Dash 8 on a Silver service in Plant City
From the outside looking in, I see a lot of trains with engines from various railroad lines. I would think that each line has a tremendous investment in locomotives. How does anyone keep track of their equipment?
Computers are wonderful things!
Hopefully that conductor was ok. Definitely needed new pants.
At 14:13 when I came to a complete stop I would look at my watch to determine how much time I had to work and with one engine you pretty much have them “ in a pickle”……call us a cab~~~ an in these situations train dispatchers get dumb in a hurry and he’s looking at his watch to see how much time until he goes home because no one gives a * hit anymore….
CN's extreme lack of maintainace and running everything to fail is the cause of that.
That was probably a turbo that blew on the CN GEVO. Turbo diesel engines can run without the turbo going, so without a turbo it's not doing anything, so it wasn't going to make any power. They probably also had to emergency stop because it would no longer supply air to the brakes
And here I was thinking I haven't seen much from Wausau...
I'm thinking the (EGR) Exhaust Gas Recirculation System failed given the top exhaust stack few off from the explosion, I've seen another video of this same Loco just slightly more down the track and that's what you see fly off is the Stack top.
CN's turbo blew apart.
Great grab bag! What in the world were those UP units in Illinois?
Some quick research shows that those are Railpower RP20CDs. Very funky looking genset locomotives, meaning they have several (usually 2-4) smaller engines rather than one massive prime mover. Very unusual locomotives and I’m not exactly sure what they’re used for, but if someone knows feel free to add on to my comment
i’ve seen em as locals and yard switching, ultra low emission UPY’s should be in the upper 800 roster
@@RDC_Autosports interesting. You’d think since these have 6 axles they’d be mainline locomotives
@@redbeast23 they are light and 4 axles just weren’t cuttin it why they went to 6 axles for traction, each traction motor is 750 horsepower
You have to listen closely, but right when the "explosion" happens there a sound of a metal panel clattering off. VR has shown video before of an engine losing one of it's cooling fans, which jumps right through the roof and takes off on it's on trajectory. So whatever happened here, I bet there's a chunk of sheet steal missing off the roof of the cooling compartment.
Good day how many trains would you see in a 12 hour cycle it looks busy I’m impressed very nice night shots cheers 👍👍👍👍🦘🇦🇺
cool
Does anyone know why the Southwest Chief appearted to be running with single-level cars, as seen in La Plata and later on in Flagstaff?
At least the DARWIN AWARD winner 🏆 👏 👍 used the catwalk to cross between the tank cars rather crawling under the cars 🤔🥶.
not a winner - didn't remove himself from the evolutionary chain
@@ijzfzzy be something if he was heading to the store for the lottery 🙄- and won🏆.
this guy could have been a lot more of a DARWIN AWARD winner if he had waited for the train to clear ! standing outside in freezing weather in Canada is a quicker way to die than passing through a stopped train ! i've seen some trains sit for hours ! like the grab bags ; but the dummies here are anyone who thinks they would have stood and waited !
The illinois terminal unit is handsome.
13:06 That was supposed to be the Amroad locomotive hauling Neil Page and Del Griffith home for Thanksgiving.
13:00 What you clicked on this video for.
What was the significance of pointing out Engine 6887? Just curious.
Good old weird units
8:20 Amish takin' the train. Friendly travelers. Never forget the first time I saw one wip out their credit card in the cafe car.
I can't expect that given I've watched Weird Al's 'Amish Paradise';)
Anyone have any idea what the loads were on the train through Revelstoke at 06:26 ? Inquiring minds would like to know...
What's the significance of the pause on BNSF 6887 at 12:11?
Oh, thanks!
Yuh 🎉
Well we had a emd on Tuesday set fire to half a town due to a brake block catching fire in Australia
The CN engine definitely blew its turbo....
13:23 engine took a dump at the worst time 💀💀
Keep the grab bags going
What can I said to beautyfull and fun to watch
BNSF 3985 at 14:32
Awesome, I was at the platform Railfanning when that Amtrak Dash 8 passed PC 22:11
what kind of rebuild unit was that herzog?
I didn't catch the number but I believe the Herzog unit is a GP38-2 with the cowl added.
13:26 turbo let go and the axial turbine wheel went into the exhaust and knocked the soot out of the particulate filer …the dash probly lit up from high exhaust temperature and a loss of intake manifold pressure
do locomotives actually have a dpf? i kinda was thinking turbo blew, lack of forced induction caused it to go rich hence the black smoke
Sounds about right
@@dalton456 the tier 4 does
Could have been turbo blowing, but usually it smokes a lot BEFORE it blows.
16:35 Am I crazy or is that an HO-scale train using an O-scale trestle??
Bet that woke them up?
Best. Grab Bag. EVER!!
8:31 😂
15:02 😂
The second one is a classic.
20:30 I'm sure why they don't usually do this
That one locomotive did not sound good at all going past the camera before its turbocharger gave up.
8:31 When I saw that on the live stream, as soon as that train stopped and he took those first slow steps forward, I knew what was coming. The next Darwin candidate. I guess given that the guy was actually standing there in the freezing night for 15 minutes waiting for the yo-yo train to finally move on instead of running back and forth, it was no big surprise.
Interesting… Hapag-LLoyd has Diesel power in Canada.
It's a CP unit in an orange Hapag-Lloyd paint. They have a close working relationship and this unit celebrates it
Hello sir
I have a question for you what is your name because I have a friend that moved to Ft. Madison, IA
Yup blew the turbo ...
15:00 🍌 бананы в ушах 👂
Good addition of the Skykomish sunrise but you still had to throw in a La Plata sunset. Choose more sunset locations, that one is old.
The guy who got on the tank car could be/should be arrested for trespassing.
What are those locos at 2:06?
RailPower RP20CD.
Thank you
I guess the loaded Schnabel car passing the Quincy cam wasn't as worthy as multiple shots of GEVO's pulling stacks or covered hoppers. Sigh.
1:42 saw that in columbus ohio :D