I come from a Polish Catholic family that came to America in the early 1900s (I think, anyways) and settled in southeast Texas, in the El Campo-Rosenberg-Wharton area near Houston. The farm my great grandparents started is still there, and we used to go there for family reunions once a year. Anyways, I was raised Catholic and I live in a part of the country where a majority of people are Hispanic, Polish, German, Irish, or some other ethnic Catholic, so I haven't *really* experienced a lot of anti-Catholic prejudice. I have had eyebrows raised when I told people I was Catholic, but that's probably more to do with my pasty white skin and my Scottish last name since those people were themselves generally Hispanic Catholics. Of course, I've gotten the "Catholics aren't Christian" line, which blew my mind when I was a kid because it made negative sense to me. The most anti-Catholic prejudice I or my family have received was from my cousin's wife's family; they're Church of Christ, and his wife's mother was basically under the impression that Catholicism was some sort of contagious disease or something (at the time, I thought she was calling us vampires; I was, like, eleven, so I didn't really get it). The younger generations of the family were more curious than outright hostile, though; before I met them, I'd never heard of a church passing around a tray of grape juice in plastic cups and thin wafers at communion and they were new to the idea of a church where everyone gets in line to be handed a piece of unleavened bread and then drink actual wine from a chalice at communion. I guess I got kinda lucky. Or maybe it's the result a cultural shift away from the old prejudices. I've received more anti-Catholic prejudice on the internet than I have in real life.
i experienced anti-catholic attitudes a lot when i was a kid. My home town had two Lutheran Churches. They were different Synods, and hated each other. They could only agree on one thing. Even though they hated each other, they both hated Catholics. i think that has changed now.
Catholics first churches in the 1500-1600's. Santa Fe, NM, Coronado's journey mapped southwest and went up into Kansas where they had to "stand in the stirrups to see over the tall native grasses" before returning. Founding of missions in Florida -- all hundreds of years before the Declaration of Independence.
Growing up in the South as a Catholic girl was awful. I saw the ugliest and most ignorant sides of people. I always loved going to Ohio with my grandparents in the summer because I wasn't "Different" there were more Catholics around me and I felt more at home. I got a special vantage point on racism because within my church it didn't exist. Outside of it..... BOY O BOY. and the only fellow white friends that I have that WILL speak out honestly about racism on anyone other than white people are fellow Catholics.
My family immigrated to Chicago where our community was very Catholic, many Poles and Lithuanians. It was peaceful and education among us was excellent. As a young child I knew nothing of Protestants. Only when I moved elsewhere in the country was when I came in contact with Protestants who really disliked Catholics and were quite discriminatory. It was a culture shock. This was only 10 or so years ago. Thank you for this video. It really puts into perspective the Catholic experience in the US and why it developed into the way it is today. It still makes me wonder how things would be like had the English Reformation never happened.
I know that you cannot put everything into a lecture, so this is mainly for those that view the comments. But the British Government's oppression of the Irish Catholics, through nefarious penal laws, played a major role in the dependency of the potato. 80% of the population was Catholic, leaving the other 20%, or the "ascendancy" as they should be known(Protestant settlers by the crown), ruled over the Catholics. The laws, which excluded Catholics from owning property, having a job, voting, marrying protestants, gaining education, living in or within 5 miles (8 km) of a corporate town, Ban on Catholics buying land under a lease of more than 31 years, etc...Despite these being repealed just before the famine, you can imagine the impact it had on the Irish economy. Also, the large exportation of crops (even during the famine) by the government lead the majority of the population to lean on a cheap crop like the potato. With the purposeful neglect by the government, many see this as genocidal. This is why the so many Irish immigrated during this that time, and sadly, came to a country just as hostile to them. As a Protestant, my tradition has been oppressed greatly but within my WASP (White Anglo-Saxon Protestant) world, it is the Catholics who have been oppressed, and many have no idea of the atrocities done to them. I think it is a duty to inform those of this oppression, as I do not think these events in Britain and America can be overstated. Both sides have a duty, out of Christian love, to repent of the crimes done do to each other, and that involves acknowledging the crimes. Thank you, professor, for pointing some of these out in our own country. P.S. It must be added that Presbyterians were also very oppressed in Ireland and Scotland during these times, but not as harshly. God Bless.
The Penal Laws in Ireland had a massive impact. As a result the education system was underground. Also the Catholic Emancipation League was an organised political system. When these people arrived in the US they knew how to organise politically.
I believe your presentation to be objective but incomplete. Catholicism in America should also be addressed in the context of Healthcare and the numbers of hospitals and health institutions which were established and remain to this day, some whose stated mission was to provide charity care. Over the past 2 decades there has been a profound transformation of these institutions but there imprint and contributions to the American fabric cannot be ignored.
The current law on religion in the US based on court rulings is heavily influenced by an absolute need to keep Catholic institutions from having any place in the US. What you didn't have time to mention is that quite a few organizations that exist today were founded in part to oppose Catholics. Americans United for Separation of Church and State is the best known example. Planned Parenthood is an organization whose founders were anti-Catholic.
I really appreciate your excellent videos Dr. Reeves.These are wonderful and informative especially to those of us who have not been to College and yet love to read and to learn.
Coming from a city that had a French foundation near Notre Dame and being Bavarian/Luxembourg Catholic there was quite a bit of tolerance. The only exception was when my Dad married my Mom he had to promise his Mom that he would not convert to Roman Catholic. She was descended from Swiss Anabaptist with many Amish and Mennonite cousins living nearby. Now living in the Southwest even though Mormonism is very well represented, Roman Catholic is the majority because Arizona was colonized by the Spanish. Love your videos.
Speaking as an American Catholic, I have to say I have never felt in any way persecuted. My hometown is predominantly Catholic due to almost everyone being German. Irish, Italian or Polish, or some mongrel mix thereof. So nearly everyone around was more or less Catholic, and we, for our part, had no particular animosity toward Protestants besides finding them slightly comical having got wrong such a major thing as what a proper sort of faith was. =D As for the Kennedy issue, to this day we find this quite laughable. Why on earth would JFK be beholden to the Pope? What Catholic listens to him!?! Sure, we have tremendous love and respect for any pope, just as we do our parents and grandparents, but do we listen to them!? Are they obeyed without question!? I appreciate, Dr Reeves, how fairly you have spoken of Catholicism in this series. So much so that in all the earlier Pre-Reformation ones, I just assumed you were a Catholic theologian and was surprised when you mention in one of them that you are a Protestant. (I have no idea what kind. Excuse me for saying so, but it is of no interest to me. We Catholics just lump you all together as Nons, and our concern with the matter ends there. It does not particularly bother us. You are what you are. We get that you're Christians, so I hope anyone who has "a problem" with Catholics gets that we are too, and that we've been at it longer than you, and you're welcome to sign back on anytime. ; ) May I also add, contrary to what I've heard from Protestants, you are always welcome at Catholic Mass. No one will check your credentials at the door. And if you admitted to being a Non, you would still be welcome. Conversely, I never attended a Protestant service until just a year or two back. Not because, as some Protestants suppose we are taught at Catholic school that it is a sin to attend a 'Lutheran' church. it just simply never occurred to me, and I daresay, most Catholics to go into a Non church. Why would we? It's just like I do not drive, so I rarely go to gas stations or garages. Nor do I play squash, so you will never see me at a squash court.. And that's all there is to it. And since you've never opened this particular can of worms, perhaps I shouldn't either, but we haven't a clue why the Mother Mary thing bothers you all so much, and yet we're not nearly as fanatical about her position and role as you seem to think. Some of us, for instance, John Paul II, feel a special devotion to her, but still more of us hardly give her a passing thought although we rank her as 'alone among her sex' and would not dream of disrespecting her in in any way - in thought, word or deed. Thanks for reading. Blessings from the God we both adore.
My grandparents cheered when Kennedy was assassinated. Strangely, they also made my dad and his siblings watch Fulton Sheen everytime he was on TV. I guess he didn't count.
A Church Historian must be unbias towards Catholics, Orthodoxes and Protestants. Just tell the story as it really happened in history. Then let the hearers judge the facts for themselves. Thanks for the History Lessons.
Gosh... So Maria Monk was a REAL book! My mother talked of it. It was STILL being banded about as truth in the last 20's in Britain. It was around that time she converted to Catholicism and had Maria Monk quoted to her as chapter and verse reasons not to get baptized. Never heard ANY reference to the book 'cept from my Mam, 'til now!
This is very well done and very objectively presented, IMHO. It does retain a flavoring of the Catholic still as outsider, even today, which I think we're well past. On education, Catholics from European origins were in large part inheritors of the vast and even ancient education systems established in the monasteries. Those traditions I suspect arrived with the priests who came with, or later. Of interest is that on the heels of the evangelic presence in Kentucky there arrived from Maryland in about 1790 (my forbearers among them) a wave of Marylanders, who settled what became the first diocese in America at Bardstown. My suspicion is that John Carroll urged them to the frontier across the Appalachians. (He was a cousin to, not brother of, Charles Carroll the signer of the Declaration.) The Carrolls, like my Riley forbearers in 1634, arrived in the Chesapeake from Ireland.
The year 2017 will mark the tenth anniversary of the motu proprio Summorum Pontificum published on 7th of July 2007. This text, which was written by Benedict XVI and came into force on the 14th of September of the same year, reminded Catholics that the traditional missal had never been abrogated and gave, at least theoretically, a greater degree of freedom concerning the celebration of the ancient liturgy. - See more at: rorate-caeli.blogspot.com/#sthash.i5oqc7Pj.dpuf
Johnnyc drums I am beginning to agree. I am not sure what he is. I do not like what he is doing. He should be running the Church and saying things about the Christians being beheaded in the middle east. Not stinking his nose in US politics and global warming. I think he is part of the NWO and possibly the anti Pope. I retract my comment and would say God bless the office of the Pope. Kinda like saying God bless the presidency but F....K the administration.
Hello X Servex) The BEAST of Rome was Rome and the "world", since it was in fact written to Christians living within the territory of the then Roman Empire that was for them the "known world". And plus the fact that the text says that it was the Beast in fact of "Rome". Roman officials often times meated out sporadic persecutions on the Church throughout the empire. The letter of Revelation was written as a much needed encouragement to a persecuted bunch, that in spite of these afflictions, She (aka. The Church) would prevail and Christ would rule supreme upon His return. Looking forward to your response).
Between 1830 and 1930, almost a million French-Canadians, that is nearly half that population, left the Province of Québec for the United States. Jack Kerouac was one of their offsprings
Thanks for uploading this video. I am Muslim and I believe Muslims in America are experiencing same kind of discriminations, mockery and hostile the Catholics in the United States had experienced in the public school systems , politics and work places as well. I read couple books about Catholics Immigrants in America and the information I discovered was very important and supportive to understand all these anti- immigrants going in this country. I think every new Muslims immigrants should to study the history of Catholic immigrants in US to sense the whole immigration thing. It was 2016 US election when Ben Carson who said "Muslim person cant be US president." After I discovered President Kennedy was Catholics and they didn't want him to be President because of his religion that gave me I to study more about immigrants in America.
I , as a Catholic, appreciate this comment MORE THAN YOU KNOW! Catholics had a huge part in building the welfare system in America. Also much of the history period. My great great grands came as german and Irish Catholic immigrants into NY and Ohio. I was raised in the south. I was taught (IN CHURCH) equality and respect to others .... outside the church I was taught ignorance, hatred and bigotry. By watching it and having it happen to me just because I was "Catholic"... This is why calling white people such a problem because many ethnicities other than American Protestant have white skin. Just because I grew in the south doesnt make me a "white" person who cannot understand the problems. I was raised with a special view of getting a little taste of the proverbial shoe on the other foot. I speak openly about racisms I see where no of my "white" friends who grew up christian (baptist, protestant, etc) EXTREMELY racist and hateful. Not only that, the KKK would never have let me in being catholic. They would have killed me next to anyone else. I think the anti Catholic sentiment is sad because most of the Catholics I know are the white people MOST WILLING to speak out honestly about bigotry and racism. The anti-immigrant sentiment back in the early 1900s is no different than today. I hate it is happening and hopefully in the end great things come of it.
Dr. Reeves, I've recently been watching a number of your videos on denominations and their histories/ideologies and was curious which denomination (if any) you consider yourself to be a part of?
I was there for that, used to go to Muenster all the time because my girlfriend was a student there while I studied way south in Heidelberg from 2000-2003. A fascinating city in regards to the religious upheaval of the 16th century, I remember the false-fronts on the historic buildings being rather aesthetically pleasing but also the people being rather cold compared to places like Essen, Aachen and Cologne! Did you live on the outer edge of town in those high rise dorms? How was your experience!? I am impressed by your resume in regards to you going out and acquiring a second language immediately after graduation, you would think American politicians would follow the same path but instead we as a nation seem to be reveling in our own ignorance of the world and celebrating anti-intellectualism with renewed vigor with the incredible rise of demagoguery in American politics! Very few of our representatives could probably even pass a basic world geography exam, I used to work as an intern in DC.. It was shocking. Germany's general public seem by-in-large far more engaged in global affairs and their political system far less dominated by corporations and interest groups. Did you enjoy your time out there in Muenster? .
You don't have to LIKE him but it doesn't change the doctrine. You may not like him (as most of the Catholics who dont) because he isn't "old school." He is modern and smart. I thought the same at first until I did good research on him. He knows what he is doing and much more open of spreading the true words and beliefs of CAtholics far beyond the reaches of previous Popes. Not only that, he has a lot of cleaning house to do. Give him some more time.
There's one slight thing you are missing about having Roman Catholics as political leaders. For years and years, Rome stated they were above the state. So while bigotry was involved, not wanting a Roman Catholic as a political leader was not completely crazy.
Geoffrey Robinson // Thanks for the comment, Geoffrey. It certainly is a factor, but there are just as many Protestants who lay out specific teachings about how their faith trumps political dogma, and those same fears are not as aggressively mentioned until the late-20th century. But you're right that I'm not wanting this to be a harsh distinction that Catholic rulers are questioned only for being Catholic, per se, but rather the intensity of it is hard to explain at times.
+Geoffrey Robinson Hey, I've got a great idea, how about separation of church and state, or how about only atheists can fill political offices, or jews! Organised religions are so divisive, it gets scary sometimes: We are right whatever we say and you are wrong, always. This usualy leads to segregation, inquisition, war, etc, etc. We are all human beings dammit, couldn't we find some way to... Anyway, I love these series but from now on I MUST avoid reading the comments, I get emotional, in a bad way. By the way, here in Quebec, most of us don't even know or care about our politicians religious tendencies.
Roses and Songs: I grew up in atheist Cuba. Please do tell about how atheist Governments separate their belief from the state,; and how that results in peaceful tolerant societies like the USSR, Mao's China and Pol Pot's Cambodia. Please, do go on about the extremely peaceful tolerant French revolution .
Maybe I missed it, but should have clarified that it was Roman Catholic. Yes, in US it almost always means Roman when speaking of Catholics, but there are other denominations. Great history lesson.
History and questionable allegiances are very good reason to question Catholics. Irish fighting the Mexicans in the US Army changed sides and fought with the Mexicans against the US in the 1800's.
Organized religion is a control mechanism that appears to still function quite well, although its influence is waning. Education and knowledge is much easier to attain in the age of the computer. Hopefully, soon mankind will fully awaken ....nah they won't. Not this generation, maybe the next.
I love your lectures, as they are usually objective. But in this one you totally miss the the mark, as you make this anti-catholic sentiment sound American and, typical of Western thinking, point up the underdog as the poor, sad victim. IfJamestown had been Catholic, it would've been the other way around. The truth is, Protestants and Catholics have hated each other all along and have done their best to anathematize and marginalized each other. Therefore, any negative sentiment at all came from this root. A simple history of England will demonstrate this very clearly. I think you should recant.
+greg harvey // Well recanting is something you do for heresy not differences of historical judgment. :) But I can agree with your assessment that the story should not be read as the story of a sad underdog. But I do think it should be an objective point that Catholicism was not welcomed in this country overall for most of its history. There is a lot of concern there, even by those who could care less about theology or Protestantism. This is why I cite the case of JFK having to discuss his Catholicism. Objective is not slanting the story, which I am not attempting. Of course, anytime you tell a story of several hundred years in a survey you are flattening a lot of variety. I chose here to focus on the stories of those times when the stress between Catholicism and America was strongest, mostly because this is a side of the story we don't always discuss. I'm not calling on anyone to feel shame or vindication here, but the fact is there is a lot of this in the American past. For me ignoring the bad parts of history is a balancing act, though. We have to balance this with other stories, and I would only say that most of my videos are about the positive developments in history, which would balance this out. Keep in mind, too, that this is an entire course, from Luther to MLK. Lot of twists and turns there!
Paul We are the original Church, the successor of the first appointed Pope, Peter, by Jesus Christ himself. Christ knew that tragedies and devastations would happen, he knew that sin and corruption was inevitable given that the Church is comprised of us humans and we humans have that sinful nature that was the cause for Jesus Christ's crucifixion. Over the years, we the Church have had great and holy times, as well as bad and sinful times which the Lord pulled us out from time and time again. We are his body, and he aided and protected us even in our- the Church's- worst times. It is insane and idiotic to suggest that, given the very thing Christ taught us was that we could be redeemed and forgiven, we should break apart from His Church and create separate man-established churches where we change what we see fit and keep what we see fit- given our sinful and ignorant nature- is/was His will.
I come from a Polish Catholic family that came to America in the early 1900s (I think, anyways) and settled in southeast Texas, in the El Campo-Rosenberg-Wharton area near Houston. The farm my great grandparents started is still there, and we used to go there for family reunions once a year. Anyways, I was raised Catholic and I live in a part of the country where a majority of people are Hispanic, Polish, German, Irish, or some other ethnic Catholic, so I haven't *really* experienced a lot of anti-Catholic prejudice. I have had eyebrows raised when I told people I was Catholic, but that's probably more to do with my pasty white skin and my Scottish last name since those people were themselves generally Hispanic Catholics. Of course, I've gotten the "Catholics aren't Christian" line, which blew my mind when I was a kid because it made negative sense to me. The most anti-Catholic prejudice I or my family have received was from my cousin's wife's family; they're Church of Christ, and his wife's mother was basically under the impression that Catholicism was some sort of contagious disease or something (at the time, I thought she was calling us vampires; I was, like, eleven, so I didn't really get it). The younger generations of the family were more curious than outright hostile, though; before I met them, I'd never heard of a church passing around a tray of grape juice in plastic cups and thin wafers at communion and they were new to the idea of a church where everyone gets in line to be handed a piece of unleavened bread and then drink actual wine from a chalice at communion.
I guess I got kinda lucky. Or maybe it's the result a cultural shift away from the old prejudices. I've received more anti-Catholic prejudice on the internet than I have in real life.
i experienced anti-catholic attitudes a lot when i was a kid. My home town had two Lutheran Churches. They were different Synods, and hated each other. They could only agree on one thing. Even though they hated each other, they both hated Catholics. i think that has changed now.
Catholics first churches in the 1500-1600's. Santa Fe, NM, Coronado's journey mapped southwest and went up into Kansas where they had to "stand in the stirrups to see over the tall native grasses" before returning. Founding of missions in Florida -- all hundreds of years before the Declaration of Independence.
Growing up in the South as a Catholic girl was awful. I saw the ugliest and most ignorant sides of people. I always loved going to Ohio with my grandparents in the summer because I wasn't "Different" there were more Catholics around me and I felt more at home. I got a special vantage point on racism because within my church it didn't exist. Outside of it..... BOY O BOY. and the only fellow white friends that I have that WILL speak out honestly about racism on anyone other than white people are fellow Catholics.
My family immigrated to Chicago where our community was very Catholic, many Poles and Lithuanians. It was peaceful and education among us was excellent. As a young child I knew nothing of Protestants. Only when I moved elsewhere in the country was when I came in contact with Protestants who really disliked Catholics and were quite discriminatory. It was a culture shock. This was only 10 or so years ago. Thank you for this video. It really puts into perspective the Catholic experience in the US and why it developed into the way it is today. It still makes me wonder how things would be like had the English Reformation never happened.
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during the Mexican American war, many Irish men and other catholics switched sides after being fed up with discrimination
Johan Bierhoff yup they were the st. Patrick's batallion if I remember correctly.
I know that you cannot put everything into a lecture, so this is mainly for those that view the comments. But the British Government's oppression of the Irish Catholics, through nefarious penal laws, played a major role in the dependency of the potato. 80% of the population was Catholic, leaving the other 20%, or the "ascendancy" as they should be known(Protestant settlers by the crown), ruled over the Catholics. The laws, which excluded Catholics from owning property, having a job, voting, marrying protestants, gaining education, living in or within 5 miles (8 km) of a corporate town, Ban on Catholics buying land under a lease of more than 31 years, etc...Despite these being repealed just before the famine, you can imagine the impact it had on the Irish economy. Also, the large exportation of crops (even during the famine) by the government lead the majority of the population to lean on a cheap crop like the potato. With the purposeful neglect by the government, many see this as genocidal.
This is why the so many Irish immigrated during this that time, and sadly, came to a country just as hostile to them. As a Protestant, my tradition has been oppressed greatly but within my WASP (White Anglo-Saxon Protestant) world, it is the Catholics who have been oppressed, and many have no idea of the atrocities done to them. I think it is a duty to inform those of this oppression, as I do not think these events in Britain and America can be overstated. Both sides have a duty, out of Christian love, to repent of the crimes done do to each other, and that involves acknowledging the crimes. Thank you, professor, for pointing some of these out in our own country.
P.S. It must be added that Presbyterians were also very oppressed in Ireland and Scotland during these times, but not as harshly. God Bless.
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The Penal Laws in Ireland had a massive impact. As a result the education system was underground. Also the Catholic Emancipation League was an organised political system. When these people arrived in the US they knew how to organise politically.
I believe your presentation to be objective but incomplete. Catholicism in America should also be addressed in the context of Healthcare and the numbers of hospitals and health institutions which were established and remain to this day, some whose stated mission was to provide charity care. Over the past 2 decades there has been a profound transformation of these institutions but there imprint and contributions to the American fabric cannot be ignored.
The current law on religion in the US based on court rulings is heavily influenced by an absolute need to keep Catholic institutions from having any place in the US. What you didn't have time to mention is that quite a few organizations that exist today were founded in part to oppose Catholics. Americans United for Separation of Church and State is the best known example. Planned Parenthood is an organization whose founders were anti-Catholic.
I really appreciate your excellent videos Dr. Reeves.These are wonderful and informative especially to those of us who have not been to College and yet love to read and to learn.
Thanks! I often say learning is free, education is for a degree. (And I did not intend that to rhyme!)
Coming from a city that had a French foundation near Notre Dame and being Bavarian/Luxembourg Catholic there was quite a bit of tolerance. The only exception was when my Dad married my Mom he had to promise his Mom that he would not convert to Roman Catholic. She was descended from Swiss Anabaptist with many Amish and Mennonite cousins living nearby. Now living in the Southwest even though Mormonism is very well represented, Roman Catholic is the majority because Arizona was colonized by the Spanish. Love your videos.
Speaking as an American Catholic, I have to say I have never felt in any way persecuted. My hometown is predominantly Catholic due to almost everyone being German. Irish, Italian or Polish, or some mongrel mix thereof. So nearly everyone around was more or less Catholic, and we, for our part, had no particular animosity toward Protestants besides finding them slightly comical having got wrong such a major thing as what a proper sort of faith was. =D
As for the Kennedy issue, to this day we find this quite laughable. Why on earth would JFK be beholden to the Pope? What Catholic listens to him!?! Sure, we have tremendous love and respect for any pope, just as we do our parents and grandparents, but do we listen to them!? Are they obeyed without question!?
I appreciate, Dr Reeves, how fairly you have spoken of Catholicism in this series. So much so that in all the earlier Pre-Reformation ones, I just assumed you were a Catholic theologian and was surprised when you mention in one of them that you are a Protestant. (I have no idea what kind. Excuse me for saying so, but it is of no interest to me. We Catholics just lump you all together as Nons, and our concern with the matter ends there. It does not particularly bother us. You are what you are. We get that you're Christians, so I hope anyone who has "a problem" with Catholics gets that we are too, and that we've been at it longer than you, and you're welcome to sign back on anytime. ; )
May I also add, contrary to what I've heard from Protestants, you are always welcome at Catholic Mass. No one will check your credentials at the door. And if you admitted to being a Non, you would still be welcome. Conversely, I never attended a Protestant service until just a year or two back. Not because, as some Protestants suppose we are taught at Catholic school that it is a sin to attend a 'Lutheran' church. it just simply never occurred to me, and I daresay, most Catholics to go into a Non church. Why would we? It's just like I do not drive, so I rarely go to gas stations or garages. Nor do I play squash, so you will never see me at a squash court.. And that's all there is to it.
And since you've never opened this particular can of worms, perhaps I shouldn't either, but we haven't a clue why the Mother Mary thing bothers you all so much, and yet we're not nearly as fanatical about her position and role as you seem to think. Some of us, for instance, John Paul II, feel a special devotion to her, but still more of us hardly give her a passing thought although we rank her as 'alone among her sex' and would not dream of disrespecting her in in any way - in thought, word or deed.
Thanks for reading. Blessings from the God we both adore.
My grandparents cheered when Kennedy was assassinated. Strangely, they also made my dad and his siblings watch Fulton Sheen everytime he was on TV. I guess he didn't count.
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Do you think it was because Kennedy was a Catholic
A Church Historian must be unbias towards Catholics, Orthodoxes and Protestants.
Just tell the story as it really happened in history.
Then let the hearers judge the facts for themselves. Thanks for the History Lessons.
Thank You Ryan for taking the time to do this !
Gosh... So Maria Monk was a REAL book! My mother talked of it. It was STILL being banded about as truth in the last 20's in Britain. It was around that time she converted to Catholicism and had Maria Monk quoted to her as chapter and verse reasons not to get baptized.
Never heard ANY reference to the book 'cept from my Mam, 'til now!
This is very well done and very objectively presented, IMHO. It does retain a flavoring of the Catholic still as outsider, even today, which I think we're well past. On education, Catholics from European origins were in large part inheritors of the vast and even ancient education systems established in the monasteries. Those traditions I suspect arrived with the priests who came with, or later. Of interest is that on the heels of the evangelic presence in Kentucky there arrived from Maryland in about 1790 (my forbearers among them) a wave of Marylanders, who settled what became the first diocese in America at Bardstown. My suspicion is that John Carroll urged them to the frontier across the Appalachians. (He was a cousin to, not brother of, Charles Carroll the signer of the Declaration.) The Carrolls, like my Riley forbearers in 1634, arrived in the Chesapeake from Ireland.
Ryan your videos are very informative and educational. Thanks and keep them rolling.
The year 2017 will mark the tenth anniversary of the motu proprio Summorum Pontificum published on 7th of July 2007. This text, which was written by Benedict XVI and came into force on the 14th of September of the same year, reminded Catholics that the traditional missal had never been abrogated and gave, at least theoretically, a greater degree of freedom concerning the celebration of the ancient liturgy.
- See more at: rorate-caeli.blogspot.com/#sthash.i5oqc7Pj.dpuf
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I always wondered why Dutch were so anti Catholic (Catholis were persecuted) here in Indonesia.
Great video. God Bless the Pope
+Allen Lichner ; O.K., but I don't think Francis is Catholic.
Johnnyc drums I am beginning to agree. I am not sure what he is. I do not like what he is doing. He should be running the Church and saying things about the Christians being beheaded in the middle east. Not stinking his nose in US politics and global warming. I think he is part of the NWO and possibly the anti Pope. I retract my comment and would say God bless the office of the Pope. Kinda like saying God bless the presidency but F....K the administration.
He isn't even a legitimate priest. He was ordained under Novus Ordo the ordination rules set forth in Vatican II.
Then I guess there are hardly any legitimate priests.
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The BEAST of Rome was Rome and the "world", since it was in fact written to Christians living within the territory of the then Roman Empire that was for them the "known world". And plus the fact that the text says that it was the Beast in fact of "Rome". Roman officials often times meated out sporadic persecutions on the Church throughout the empire. The letter of Revelation was written as a much needed encouragement to a persecuted bunch, that in spite of these afflictions, She (aka. The Church) would prevail and Christ would rule supreme upon His return. Looking forward to your response).
I dealt with a lot of bigotry because I'm Catholic. I grew up and still live in the South. Some seriously ugly behavior
Between 1830 and 1930, almost a million French-Canadians, that is nearly half that population, left the Province of Québec for the United States. Jack Kerouac was one of their offsprings
@Ryan Reeves ... Thanks for the great videos... why arent you Catholic?
Maria Monk? Shouldn't it have been Marie LeMoyne? Would have been more plausible.
Thanks for uploading this video. I am Muslim and I believe Muslims in America are experiencing same kind of discriminations, mockery and hostile the Catholics in the United States had experienced in the public school systems , politics and work places as well. I read couple books about Catholics Immigrants in America and the information I discovered was very important and supportive to understand all these anti- immigrants going in this country. I think every new Muslims immigrants should to study the history of Catholic immigrants in US to sense the whole immigration thing. It was 2016 US election when Ben Carson who said "Muslim person cant be US president." After I discovered President Kennedy was Catholics and they didn't want him to be President because of his religion that gave me I to study more about immigrants in America.
I , as a Catholic, appreciate this comment MORE THAN YOU KNOW! Catholics had a huge part in building the welfare system in America. Also much of the history period. My great great grands came as german and Irish Catholic immigrants into NY and Ohio. I was raised in the south. I was taught (IN CHURCH) equality and respect to others .... outside the church I was taught ignorance, hatred and bigotry. By watching it and having it happen to me just because I was "Catholic"... This is why calling white people such a problem because many ethnicities other than American Protestant have white skin. Just because I grew in the south doesnt make me a "white" person who cannot understand the problems. I was raised with a special view of getting a little taste of the proverbial shoe on the other foot. I speak openly about racisms I see where no of my "white" friends who grew up christian (baptist, protestant, etc) EXTREMELY racist and hateful. Not only that, the KKK would never have let me in being catholic. They would have killed me next to anyone else. I think the anti Catholic sentiment is sad because most of the Catholics I know are the white people MOST WILLING to speak out honestly about bigotry and racism. The anti-immigrant sentiment back in the early 1900s is no different than today. I hate it is happening and hopefully in the end great things come of it.
Dr. Reeves, I've recently been watching a number of your videos on denominations and their histories/ideologies and was curious which denomination (if any) you consider yourself to be a part of?
You were in Muenster when Burger King finally came to town. That must have been one epic moment!
+wasteofspace20 // It was for me! May as well have been a national holiday. :)
I was there for that, used to go to Muenster all the time because my girlfriend was a student there while I studied way south in Heidelberg from 2000-2003. A fascinating city in regards to the religious upheaval of the 16th century, I remember the false-fronts on the historic buildings being rather aesthetically pleasing but also the people being rather cold compared to places like Essen, Aachen and Cologne! Did you live on the outer edge of town in those high rise dorms? How was your experience!? I am impressed by your resume in regards to you going out and acquiring a second language immediately after graduation, you would think American politicians would follow the same path but instead we as a nation seem to be reveling in our own ignorance of the world and celebrating anti-intellectualism with renewed vigor with the incredible rise of demagoguery in American politics! Very few of our representatives could probably even pass a basic world geography exam, I used to work as an intern in DC.. It was shocking. Germany's general public seem by-in-large far more engaged in global affairs and their political system far less dominated by corporations and interest groups. Did you enjoy your time out there in Muenster? .
I am Catholic but I don't like my Pope, is this common? I wish John Paul II was still Pope, he actually had values.
There is still a difference between not liking and being disobedient.
Anyone with a half brain will admit that Francis and Paul II believed very different things.
You don't have to LIKE him but it doesn't change the doctrine. You may not like him (as most of the Catholics who dont) because he isn't "old school." He is modern and smart. I thought the same at first until I did good research on him. He knows what he is doing and much more open of spreading the true words and beliefs of CAtholics far beyond the reaches of previous Popes. Not only that, he has a lot of cleaning house to do. Give him some more time.
There's one slight thing you are missing about having Roman Catholics as political leaders. For years and years, Rome stated they were above the state. So while bigotry was involved, not wanting a Roman Catholic as a political leader was not completely crazy.
Geoffrey Robinson // Thanks for the comment, Geoffrey. It certainly is a factor, but there are just as many Protestants who lay out specific teachings about how their faith trumps political dogma, and those same fears are not as aggressively mentioned until the late-20th century. But you're right that I'm not wanting this to be a harsh distinction that Catholic rulers are questioned only for being Catholic, per se, but rather the intensity of it is hard to explain at times.
+Geoffrey Robinson Hey, I've got a great idea, how about separation of church and state, or how about only atheists can fill political offices, or jews! Organised religions are so divisive, it gets scary sometimes: We are right whatever we say and you are wrong, always. This usualy leads to segregation, inquisition, war, etc, etc. We are all human beings dammit, couldn't we find some way to... Anyway, I love these series but from now on I MUST avoid reading the comments, I get emotional, in a bad way. By the way, here in Quebec, most of us don't even know or care about our politicians religious tendencies.
Roses and Songs: I grew up in atheist Cuba. Please do tell about how atheist Governments separate their belief from the state,; and how that results in peaceful tolerant societies like the USSR, Mao's China and Pol Pot's Cambodia. Please, do go on about the extremely peaceful tolerant French revolution .
Maybe I missed it, but should have clarified that it was Roman Catholic. Yes, in US it almost always means Roman when speaking of Catholics, but there are other denominations. Great history lesson.
History and questionable allegiances are very good reason to question Catholics. Irish fighting the Mexicans in the US Army changed sides and fought with the Mexicans against the US in the 1800's.
Because Irish were treated like crap by US protestants.
Dr. Reeves, getting your history from Howard Zinn. Jeesh.
Well he does give historians a call and tell us all what to say. :)
sigh.
if you love the first amendment of the Constitution of the United States , you can thank the Baptist
Organized religion is a control mechanism that appears to still function quite well, although its influence is waning. Education and knowledge is much easier to attain in the age of the computer. Hopefully, soon mankind will fully awaken ....nah they won't. Not this generation, maybe the next.
I love your lectures, as they are usually objective. But in this one you totally miss the the mark, as you make this anti-catholic sentiment sound American and, typical of Western thinking, point up the underdog as the poor, sad victim. IfJamestown had been Catholic, it would've been the other way around. The truth is, Protestants and Catholics have hated each other all along and have done their best to anathematize and marginalized each other. Therefore, any negative sentiment at all came from this root. A simple history of England will demonstrate this very clearly. I think you should recant.
+greg harvey // Well recanting is something you do for heresy not differences of historical judgment. :) But I can agree with your assessment that the story should not be read as the story of a sad underdog. But I do think it should be an objective point that Catholicism was not welcomed in this country overall for most of its history. There is a lot of concern there, even by those who could care less about theology or Protestantism. This is why I cite the case of JFK having to discuss his Catholicism. Objective is not slanting the story, which I am not attempting. Of course, anytime you tell a story of several hundred years in a survey you are flattening a lot of variety. I chose here to focus on the stories of those times when the stress between Catholicism and America was strongest, mostly because this is a side of the story we don't always discuss. I'm not calling on anyone to feel shame or vindication here, but the fact is there is a lot of this in the American past. For me ignoring the bad parts of history is a balancing act, though. We have to balance this with other stories, and I would only say that most of my videos are about the positive developments in history, which would balance this out. Keep in mind, too, that this is an entire course, from Luther to MLK. Lot of twists and turns there!
+CHIPPY CHOPPY // No, I am an historian.
Paul We are the original Church, the successor of the first appointed Pope, Peter, by Jesus Christ himself. Christ knew that tragedies and devastations would happen, he knew that sin and corruption was inevitable given that the Church is comprised of us humans and we humans have that sinful nature that was the cause for Jesus Christ's crucifixion. Over the years, we the Church have had great and holy times, as well as bad and sinful times which the Lord pulled us out from time and time again. We are his body, and he aided and protected us even in our- the Church's- worst times.
It is insane and idiotic to suggest that, given the very thing Christ taught us was that we could be redeemed and forgiven, we should break apart from His Church and create separate man-established churches where we change what we see fit and keep what we see fit- given our sinful and ignorant nature- is/was His will.