@kristian rikardsen There's literally a scene where Todd is treated better than his father because of his race. The fact that a world with anthropomorphic animals still has racism is funny.
Her parents are very likely refugees from the Vietnam war after the fall of Saigon in 1975. They do have a very good reason to not discuss Vietnam with her, because it is painful. Families were split when members started picking sides or died in raids and bombing.
It was rather VERY supportive. The father was affraid that she as an immigrant might face discrimination. Assuming she felt insecure about her ethnicity or/and bullied because of that He wanted to reassure her that che indeed belengs to the society she found herself within, that there is NOTHING wrong with her.
@@ekmb wow this comment itself is almost a year old, but let me put my two cents in. personally, i wouldn't consider what diane's father said to her as "supportive". your culture and ethnicity shouldn't play a part in how you're treated by others, but it does play a part in who you are. isolating diane from her culture and saying she's "just like everyone else" isn't supportive at all. helping diane to learn about her culture and the unique role that it plays in her life, while at the same time teaching her that everyone should be treated equally regardless of their race, would be the best way to help reassure her while also helping her to connect with her background. "you're just like everyone else," said to diane by her father most likely did nothing to reassure her of anything. we all know diane struggles to grapple with her true emotions, extends herself past what she's psychologically capable of, and constantly places others above herself. even from a young age, diane wasn't like anyone else; without a doubt, she was the black sheep of her family and knew so early on. "you're just like everyone else" forced diane to compromise honesty and emotion. it robbed her of the ability to connect with her culture. it was a microaggression which originated from internalized racism. if you're just like everyone else, then why do your feelings and emotions matter? what sets you apart from others? and how can you use your own unique experiences to connect and bond with them? that being said, he does have a point that diane shouldn't be treated differently by anyone. abusers are nice... sometimes. the problem is, they're only nice if they know they can manipulate you with that very same kindness.
i love how Bojack portrays "bad people" because people are rarely assholes because they want to be, you see glimpses of how they think they're doing the right thing like Diane's dad telling her she's no different from anyone else
It's also a pretty expected response from immigrant parents. My grandmother came to the US from Germany in the 50s and when her kids were toddlers she decided they were going to be raised "American" to have an easier life and to fit in better. So she stopped speaking German around them til they were older (aside from cussing) but never taught them enough to hold a conversation. Or her grandkids :P all the German I know is from Duolingo, but its sad cause so many immigrant parents feel they need to hide their children from their culture
@@Starburst514 i think both aspects of that are extremely important. It's very important for new immigrants to quickly and fully adopt american culture, language and customs, but it's also very important for children to learn about where they come from
@@MajesticSkywhale Well he's a VIETNAMESE he might not being an inmigrant but a REFUGEE that was fleeing from a war-torn country as a child or a teenage. An experiencing either a far-right dictatorship or a ruthless communist guerrilla, or both. So he goes to the USA gets threated like trash (as many vietnameses after the Vietnam war) finds a place to live, and starts a family. But after experiences a lot of shit the guy probably was done with dealing with racism and his identity, so he uses his knoweldge to make money from his culture while sparing his children from his burden I think he's more or less like Beatrice Sugarman, a victim from war but too full of himself to do anything about it
I know that "accurate regional dialect " line was supposed to be an ironic joke but as someone from Boston they actually nailed it. Everyone talks like that here
My mom's entire family Iraqi but she has cousins who moved to Boston as kids. They all have heavy Boston accents, sometimes even when they speak Arabic lmao.
Well yeah, half way I guess, you clearly see Diane somewhat regretting not being closer to her culture. The you should be treated equally thing is fine, but you don't havw to be the same to be so
Well is it? He told her she's just the same as everyone else and it's well established that Diane has a need to be an individual. It all starts at home.
Eating frosting straight from a can sounds wrong to me, frosting being in a can sounds wrong to me, and it being called frosting sounds wrong to me. I love how many layers of wrong there are in that phrase. Where I come from, I only ever hear people say icing. I don't think we really recognize any difference between icing and what frosting supposedly is. And I've seen it in plastic containers in the store, but never in a can. And eating it straight from that container sounds grossly indulgent.
It’s a nice contrast between her and bojack. Beatrice was bitter towards bojack because of scotch and made him her outlet for her constant frustration and misery while Dianne’s dad just didn’t care unless it was tied to sports and barely put in the bare minimum thinking that’s all he needed to do. They were different variants of the same lack of love and you see that contrast with the two of them throughout the series. This show’s writing is so tight
God that last bit is too fucking real. The stupid line about periods, the instant your brain tries to process the utter stupidity of what was just said, and the conclusion that it's not worth it. This happens with way too many guys that I've met.
I always thought Diane's family were made to feel embarrassed about being immigrants so basically mom and dad started to act like stereotypical Boston people in response. But I don't know. That's just my headcanon.
lildeerling Yeah, it sounds to me like there was some repressed shame in being descendants from another country, so they chose to ignore their whole heritage altogether. Even IF Diane’s dad was a professor of a Vietnamese culture class, the fact that he spoke NONE of that culture at home says a lot. It’s no wonder Diane grew up with a sense of isolation and displacement, there were identity issues that weren’t even discussed. Even adopted children have a right to know who their biological parents were and where they come from. That shit can haunt you for the rest of your life.
He adopted their culture to fit in, he's a professor to hold on to his culture but he wants his kids to be fully immersed in the Boston culture idk, Bojack the sho was doesnt make jerks to just be jerks
@@salsamancer how can you watch this show yet put such a peabrained amount of thought into aspects of it. nobody "successfully intergrates" - thats just racist propaganda people use to justify hating others. its a conscious decision to immerse / take on a culture and completely throw yours away, and there is always a reason for it
@@smonkk8556 nah, people do integrate. Few generations after and they stop being immigrants, and not talking about Americans or immigrants in America. It's an all encompassing thing, we are root to adapt to our surroundings to survive and beacuse we a social animals we adopt behavior from our new environment. It's not "propaganda" there are many studies about it. Please note, I'm not saying that you are wrong and that _some_ people use it for hate porpoises. Nor that all people adapt the same and ditchs their "heritage". But it's what it is.
Her father being a tenured professor is hilarious to me. Can you imagine having him as your teacher? "'Ey, why did I get a B on this paypuh?" "Ahhh shove it up your rear end, ya jagoff!" hahaha
Its interesting that the human characters in this world still care about ethnicity. Think about it. You think in a world were they share their existence with "millions" of other species, who all look radically different from each other, that the humans of this world would just classfied themselves as one species and wouldn't think much about skin, eyes or hair color. Just like how the horses, cats, dogs, mice ect don't seem to care if members of their own species look different (such as having different color fur). But even here race is still somehow an issue among humans. Thats depressing.
@@AluraAlua yeah, I can see some of it in that light, but there are other episodes where they make it obvious race is still a divisive issues with the humans. Like when Todd had to join a race based gang in prision, or that there have been a couple jokes taking shot at "white privilege". Isrealis and Palestinians still hate each other. WW2 and the Vietnam war happened in this world, so its also safe to assume all the others wars such as the US Civil War also happened. Even in this episode Diane seem insecure about being Asian and how she looks different from the other (I'm assuming human) kids. I kinda figure in this world being human would make her more of a minorty more so then being Asian or whatever race/ethnicity you happen to be. Other species like the dogs may acknowledge different breeds, but so far there dosen't seem to be any real "Breedism" among them. When the animals do show discrimination, prejudice or bigotry towards each other, its usually directed at another species all together. Like how the mice treated Princess Caroline.
I saw that too in the latest season of Bojack. How Todd's stepfather came to see him and his stepfather realized all the stuff Todd went through he turned out okay bc he was white. His stepfather was Hispanic and he explained how hard it was for him to grow up and survive in his life. Sometimes I get that too because I'm Mexican-American and I see around me how sometimes we are treated differently. because we're just different. But I liked what Diane's father said how she is the same as everyone else, she's American, and she shouldn't be treated (or discriminated) differently from the other kids.
Not really. Personally I think she sounds that way because she wanted to be an individual, ex: she didn't want to sound just like everybody else in her family.
Maybe. Or it's just a memory that she's filled in with her adult voice. If that is the case then maybe she did have a Bostonian accent that we just don't know about and it's the writers letting us leave it up to our imagination to fill in the gaps.
It is, but he's reading between the wrong lines. Judging by his persistence about being from Boston, he was probably looked down upon for being asian, so he thinks that when Diane asks that, she's trying to indirectly tell him that she's being looked down upon for being asian. While what Diane really wants is to just know about her culture, which he completely doesn't get.
My great great grandmother: _Was Russian_ Me trying to find myself and cure my depression: _Bring the vodka here, I am feeling like reconnecting to my roots today_
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Odd question, but have you actually seen a HAPPY Russian? A sober one.
god i totally get this. i feel incredibly disconnected from my familial/cultural roots because my parents (my dad in particular) resonated more with america and its culture when they came here and just did not expose me to our own culture. so i'm basically disconnected from the rest of my extended family and just suffer a whole ton from imposter syndrome whenever i visit my home country or see my relatives. i'm grateful for the sacrifices my parents made to immigrate to the united states but i can't help but wish i was more connected to my culture especially growing up in a predominantly white area.
@@axelpatrickb.pingol3228 Not just that, it's used by over a third of the population (whereas the most common surname in the USA (Smith) isn't even used by 0.1% of the population)
I think my favourite part of this is that there’s some genuinely good advice nestled in there under the several layers of, well, that. This actually seems to be a recurring theme in BoJack, that several of the characters are actually very intelligent but have never been in an environment where their intelligence could be nurtured
I connected with this part so much. I am mixed but my mother didn't transmitted anything about her homeland. I remember when I was 11 and a friend of mine was shocked that I don't speak creole. So I asked my mother about it and she answered it is useless. This scene reminds me of that conversation. The all connected with the roots thing also speak to me. Often show presented that as a part of your DNA but it is not. If nobody transmitted that to you, all of your supposed roots look as foreign to you as for other people who are not from this country. It was nice to see that portray in a TV show for once.
It's been like... a year or something since I watched this episode and I keep thinking about this over and over again ever so often. The main reason it sticks so hard with me is that whenever I think about Diane's dad saying that they're from Boston in response to being asked where they're from, to me it isn't "We're Americans duh" but more of her father preferring not to be reminded that he isn't...a full-fledged American in a sense. Reminded that he's Asian, an "other", and "different" from the rest. It doesn't come from pride of being American to me, it comes from a place of insecurity and hesitance towards the idea that he isn't originally from America like "everybody else", and to him that very fact might even be shameful.
@@Joe-mz6ez They are American, as American as any other family, but the pervasive culture in the US is one that only sees White Americans as simply "American" and everyone who isn't White as "other". American culture is one that says they're a melting pot but centralises the culture and interests of European, Puritan ideals and optics, because that's who had the power to establish it. Forgetting that allows the inequalities that were made part of the establishment to continue uninterrupted. Diane and the rest of the Nguyen family are American, but that doesn't make it wrong for them to research and stay connected to their roots, because that's just as much part of them as anything else. Considering that mainstream American culture places the cultures brought over by White European immigrants at the forefront (yes, even excluding the American-own Black American culture, except in whatever pieces they want to take for themselves), American culture is their culture, but it doesn't make room for them or consider them "fully" American; if it did, Diane wouldn't have been bullied by her classmates for being Asian.
Why do americans equate race with culture. Her being asian doesn't mean she has any understanding of vietnamese culture. She is as american as it gets doesn't matter if others are racist towards her. Being racist is part of American culture tbh lol just like hotdogs and 4th of july. America does not promote european culture either don't know where you got that from, america is literally based on a culture and religion that was kicked out of europe for being too obnoxious. European teens would be racist as well but because of her being vietnamese or french or liberian, its racism based on nationality not skin colour.@@rachelfox8108
A lot of us thought Diane and BoJack were going to hook up. Probably for the best that they didn’t, but dammit if we didn’t want to see another season! 😭
The way they portray the successfully integrated immigrant family in this show feels weird. Somehow I always got the impression that the writers thought it was a bad thing for some reason.
ikr! It's like they don't recognize that American culture can have merits on it's own. That it's a reasonable thing for an immigrant to adopt American culture for fun, rather than as a tragic "Joy Luck-esque" abandoning of self. (And even Joy Luck Club sort of resolves that idea in the end). It feels like they're fetishingz other cultures, because they believe that Hollywood regularly portrays traditional American experiences, and those experiences might crowd out "immigrant experiences". But they don't recognize that those "immigrant" experiences can overlap with more traditional American experiences. I read an interview that said that if Raph Waksberg could have done it again, he would have hired Vietnamese writers (which is cool) and would have made more on an effort to portray a Vietnamese-culture experience in Diane. But I think a better decision, if they were really looking to promote equality and normalize diverse experiences could be to include a "Vietnamese culture reaction" to America (In the form of a new Diane) and keep old Diane. I think there's room for both.
I dunno why this felt so normal to me... Maybe it's because we don't need to reassure our cultural identity, since we are very mixed and stuff. Like, my family a mix of native people and asian, african and european immigrants (and when I say "african immigrant", unfourtunately she was probably a slave), so cultural roots don't really matter. It is more important to us to understand that you are equal to everybody and the things you do are the ones to define you, not where you came from.
You are right, when you are as mixed as that, caring about your cultural background it's confusing and at the end you start identifying just with your country culture. I'm the same mix you are lol
It hurts a second time when you start proving your "damages" to be justified and everyone around you gets hurt because they had to actually see themselves for what they are. Then its like...was it worth it to hurt more. Life isnt a scoreboard. We want it to be but...well you all know the rest.
Yall acting like at 0:32 he’s being a good parent, nah man he basically said you’re just the same as everyone else, basically saying there’s nothing special about you and the way he says it you know he’s just regurgitating something he’s heard before but didn’t say it right at all. If he was being a good parent he would’ve said, “you’re different but that’s ok everyone is different and unique from each other so don’t let others bring you down for being yourself”.
i think the backlash alison brie got from voicing diane was unreasonable. diane and her family were totally separated from their ethnic culture, so she literally had no knowledge of it. it wasnt like alison was doing a vietnamese accent, she was just voicing a woman isolated from her roots
that’s fair, but i think it’s notable that alison brie regrets voicing the role now. as a viet american who isn’t super super connected to my roots, i greatly appreciate and relate to the storyline, but it definitely would’ve resonated more knowing that the voice actress was vietnamese or at least of asian descent. i think a lot of asian americans in general have felt a disconnect with their mother culture, so it’s not a herculean feat to find a voice actress who is of asian descent and has perhaps felt that sort of disconnect within their life. that sort of thing would’ve been nice, but i think that it’s not 100% integral to the plot or the core of the show-it’d *just* be nice.
Exactly. I used to have a thing for a girl who was Vietnamese and you'd never know it if it wasn't for her name. She didn't look Vietnamese nor did she speak with an accent. In fact, Diane reminds me a lot of her, even the same last name funnily enough.
@@natplant her job there was awesome, so sad she has to feel bad about it cuz people for some reason care about the dna of the person voicing a cartoon more than the awesome work they delivered.
Why do americans lie to themselves like this? Race doesn't determine culture. Race determining culture is literally founded in the race sciences from the 1800's, the sort that gave us eugenics,facism and the Axis powers. Americans by trying to be antiracists are somehow looping around to using the most racist science humanity has ever seen. You are American and Vietnamese-American not Vietnamese. Same way Billy Bob mick from boston is American not Irish, or Big Jim from Appalachia isn't Scottish. Culture is something created by people living together and sharing experiences. You aren't part of the vietnamese culture but in the same way a vietnamese person can't claim to understand the vietnamese-American culture. Your lived experiences are unique to the vietnamese-american culture and that is a culture in and of itself, the same way the Vietnamese person has their own experiences living in Vietnam but doesn't know the struggles of being an immigrant to America. This way of thinking is what leads to Americans being racist and upsetting black French footballers by telling them they are African and not French. If you have lived in France for 28 years to be told your culture is African because of your skin colour is so fucked. @@natplant
Love the detail in this damn show. I was just thinking that if Guy took her last name he'd be Guy Nguyen. phonetically it does nothing but it looks cool written out, having your first name inside your last name
I don't know why Diane's dad said "jagoff" when that is Pittsburgh slang. I guess the point was to be inaccurate and come up with any resembling the northeast.
Yeah, it sounds to me like he was a genuinely intelligent man at some point. But I don’t know, I guess he became bitter and resentful at some point and just stopped giving a shit. Thank god Diane only inherited his intelligence and nothing more.
Actually, there WAS a large Vietnamese population in Cambodia. But then Khmer Rouge came to power, and butchered them. So it is possible Mr. Ngyuen could be a Cambodian heritage. Which would go a long way to explain his abrasiveness.
im kinda sad tho that she couldnt speak any vietnamese or didnt know anything about her viet culture or traditions :(( just something connected to her ethnicity but ig it makes sense?
This is such an American thing- You're HALF Vietnamese. But WHOLE American. Yah its important to stay close to your ancestors, but it's just your ethnicity; not you're identity or destiny- And the end of this episode proves it. Diane goes to Vietnam, feels nothing, and looses herself even more.
i would say should of toughed it out for at least 2 more questions and she probably would of gotten something, quiters dont find out anything by quiting
@Mai Trương Kim Nope, even if you add markings, it would still looks like dirt. It's the color. If you look at the road in other scenes, it's gray (like concrete)
Grandparents would have been boat people, probably. Tenured professor but won't talk about it? The trip is fine, but Diane's family doesn't make any sense.
It seems like that dichotomy between integrating and wanting to keep your sense of heritage. It's supposed to be a blend, but not everyone knows or wants that. You're either not American enough, or you're some kind of sell out for trying to be like other people.
They are super similar. I think the writers purposely made it so they were never single at the same time because if they did get together, they would have both made each other spiral.
Without the insults this is insanely good parenting for someone trying to raise a American teach them there just as American as anyone else and don’t let anyone tell you different
I kinda think his remark makes sense. I only want my period a few days a month I wouldn’t want more of it. I’ve had it for 2 weeks straight( not normal) and it’s terrible. I’m ok with 4-5 days a month not more
"Your just the same as anyone else and don't let anyone tell you different" this is actually great fatherly advice that Diane should have listened too, but she focused on the negative side of the conversation (looking different) so she lagitamitly deserves a lot of the pain she felt in this episode. My grandmother was a mixed race orphan who was left there becuase her parents didn't love eachother and created something both of them didn't want. She was never adopted becuase she was a mix raced child and ended up becoming a nun. When she was old enough she got married and had allways taught us that race and heritage are NOT important. Who you are is not history. YOU are yourself and it doesn't matter what you look like or who you're parents were. People who believe the idea that race and heritage are important are people who are privileged enough to benefit from these things and fail to see how there behavior destroys the lives of those who do not benefit from having the wealth, power, and prosperity that comes from believing they deserve to have more simply becuase of what they are born from.
But you do realize that Diane's personality is also based on knowing her heritage, its also one of the reasons why she has a bad relationship with her father because he's also Vietnamese and teaches Vietnamese studies in University but doesn't have the care to at the very least educate his own children on their culture they're born from but instead has no problem teaching Vietnamese studies to students who are not related to him in class. I feel if he has enough time to teach that specific subject to strangers in school than he should've informed his daughter about it as her father for her own self worth to be confident in her own skin.
'Looks different from the other kids.'
In a school full of animals
kristian rikardsen actually we are the great majority
@kristian rikardsen There's literally a scene where Todd is treated better than his father because of his race. The fact that a world with anthropomorphic animals still has racism is funny.
@kristian rikardsen no
kristian rikardsen W-what?
@@ShadowSaberBaroxio I understood that reference!
Discovering that her dad is ridiculously educated was probably one of the most shocking parts of the show 😂
I didn't know. I thought he was just a dumb asshole w. how his family is.
I am from New England. People like Diane's father are actually pretty common around here.
Her parents are very likely refugees from the Vietnam war after the fall of Saigon in 1975. They do have a very good reason to not discuss Vietnam with her, because it is painful. Families were split when members started picking sides or died in raids and bombing.
It’s not that surprising, it’s a classic subversion
@@Rkenichi that’s what subversion is
Her father was a Professor and a jerk. So she inherited his brains, and her brothers the remainings
Diane is a Jerk too but she is working on it.
@@navarone4031 yep at least she's self aware
her dad doesn't seem so terrible actually
Actually it offers no context that implies that her brothers are stupid. But it doesn’t imply their smart either.
Ben jamin they didn’t go to college
The weird thing is, that was probably the most supportive thing anyone in Diane's family ever said to her
@Mr. Man It can be both.
@Mr. Man oh yes, her father is quite clearly a liberal.
It was rather VERY supportive. The father was affraid that she as an immigrant might face discrimination.
Assuming she felt insecure about her ethnicity or/and bullied because of that He wanted to reassure her that
che indeed belengs to the society she found herself within, that there is NOTHING wrong with her.
@@eddiereptile1049 she’s not an immigrant she was born in the states but I see what you’re saying
@@ekmb wow this comment itself is almost a year old, but let me put my two cents in. personally, i wouldn't consider what diane's father said to her as "supportive". your culture and ethnicity shouldn't play a part in how you're treated by others, but it does play a part in who you are. isolating diane from her culture and saying she's "just like everyone else" isn't supportive at all. helping diane to learn about her culture and the unique role that it plays in her life, while at the same time teaching her that everyone should be treated equally regardless of their race, would be the best way to help reassure her while also helping her to connect with her background.
"you're just like everyone else," said to diane by her father most likely did nothing to reassure her of anything. we all know diane struggles to grapple with her true emotions, extends herself past what she's psychologically capable of, and constantly places others above herself. even from a young age, diane wasn't like anyone else; without a doubt, she was the black sheep of her family and knew so early on. "you're just like everyone else" forced diane to compromise honesty and emotion. it robbed her of the ability to connect with her culture. it was a microaggression which originated from internalized racism. if you're just like everyone else, then why do your feelings and emotions matter? what sets you apart from others? and how can you use your own unique experiences to connect and bond with them? that being said, he does have a point that diane shouldn't be treated differently by anyone.
abusers are nice... sometimes. the problem is, they're only nice if they know they can manipulate you with that very same kindness.
*Sarah Lynn was right. She is kind of an asian Daria.*
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Darias parents were nice to her at least.
Or she is...herself
@@kleyton5272 Don't be. You're not supposed to be guilty of not knowing everything.
@@kleyton5272 I bet you deserve people to be nice at you. Why should I not? 😁
i love how Bojack portrays "bad people" because people are rarely assholes because they want to be, you see glimpses of how they think they're doing the right thing like Diane's dad telling her she's no different from anyone else
Yeah when you think about it , it's like in his own weird way he's hoping to shelter from racism during that time period
@@kyledass7162 Trauma can impact so many generations
It's also a pretty expected response from immigrant parents. My grandmother came to the US from Germany in the 50s and when her kids were toddlers she decided they were going to be raised "American" to have an easier life and to fit in better. So she stopped speaking German around them til they were older (aside from cussing) but never taught them enough to hold a conversation. Or her grandkids :P all the German I know is from Duolingo, but its sad cause so many immigrant parents feel they need to hide their children from their culture
@@Starburst514 i think both aspects of that are extremely important. It's very important for new immigrants to quickly and fully adopt american culture, language and customs, but it's also very important for children to learn about where they come from
@@MajesticSkywhale Well he's a VIETNAMESE he might not being an inmigrant but a REFUGEE that was fleeing from a war-torn country as a child or a teenage. An experiencing either a far-right dictatorship or a ruthless communist guerrilla, or both. So he goes to the USA gets threated like trash (as many vietnameses after the Vietnam war) finds a place to live, and starts a family.
But after experiences a lot of shit the guy probably was done with dealing with racism and his identity, so he uses his knoweldge to make money from his culture while sparing his children from his burden
I think he's more or less like Beatrice Sugarman, a victim from war but too full of himself to do anything about it
"Youre just the same as anybody else and dont let anyone tell you otherwise"
This is probably the most parenting this man did, ever
I like that added bit of nuance.
I know that "accurate regional dialect " line was supposed to be an ironic joke but as someone from Boston they actually nailed it. Everyone talks like that here
My mom's entire family Iraqi but she has cousins who moved to Boston as kids. They all have heavy Boston accents, sometimes even when they speak Arabic lmao.
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@@Polyglot_English bruh
@@glassestarzan8702 I’m trying to imagine this so hard but I can’t
@@papasscooperiaworker3649 I tried to imitate it once for a coworker and it didn't work lol
0:32 that is actually some half way decent parenting until the period thing
So true.
That’s the spirit of Bojack, jingle a little key, and then snap you on the nose like that.
Well yeah, half way I guess, you clearly see Diane somewhat regretting not being closer to her culture. The you should be treated equally thing is fine, but you don't havw to be the same to be so
Well is it? He told her she's just the same as everyone else and it's well established that Diane has a need to be an individual. It all starts at home.
Period.
Him describing being a tenured professor as his "day job", like a 9-5 or something, is such an overlooked joke.
True...
Nah I know super well educated people who act like that
If he wants to punch out at 5 what are they gonna do? Fire him? He's got tenure
At a school like Tufts, no less
Like Orel's dad from Moral Orel complaining about this lousy job, when he's literally the mayor of the town
Eating baked beans straight from the can is a nice touch. People in Boston do that. The also eat frosting straight from the can.
are you telling me that eating frosting from the can isn't normal? lol
Frosting comes in a can?
@@KaveMan_ What's a "frosting"?
Eating frosting straight from a can sounds wrong to me, frosting being in a can sounds wrong to me, and it being called frosting sounds wrong to me. I love how many layers of wrong there are in that phrase.
Where I come from, I only ever hear people say icing. I don't think we really recognize any difference between icing and what frosting supposedly is. And I've seen it in plastic containers in the store, but never in a can. And eating it straight from that container sounds grossly indulgent.
Baked beans are so nasty cold tho 🤮
I love how accurate her 90s teenage clothes are, right down to the vertical stripes shirt and ball-chain necklace.
thats a choker i think
those are horizontal
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It’s a nice contrast between her and bojack. Beatrice was bitter towards bojack because of scotch and made him her outlet for her constant frustration and misery while Dianne’s dad just didn’t care unless it was tied to sports and barely put in the bare minimum thinking that’s all he needed to do. They were different variants of the same lack of love and you see that contrast with the two of them throughout the series. This show’s writing is so tight
abuse vs. neglect
+Next 525 Oh my god, it just clicked for me that "Scotch" can be a nickname for Butterscotch. And he DRINKS literal scotch!! XD
God that last bit is too fucking real. The stupid line about periods, the instant your brain tries to process the utter stupidity of what was just said, and the conclusion that it's not worth it. This happens with way too many guys that I've met.
I thought he kinda meant period like, as in class
If this happens to you everytime.. I'm very concerned about the people you are meeting LOL
I always thought Diane's family were made to feel embarrassed about being immigrants so basically mom and dad started to act like stereotypical Boston people in response. But I don't know. That's just my headcanon.
Or maybe they just successfully integrated like the immigrants who came before them.
lildeerling Yeah, it sounds to me like there was some repressed shame in being descendants from another country, so they chose to ignore their whole heritage altogether. Even IF Diane’s dad was a professor of a Vietnamese culture class, the fact that he spoke NONE of that culture at home says a lot. It’s no wonder Diane grew up with a sense of isolation and displacement, there were identity issues that weren’t even discussed. Even adopted children have a right to know who their biological parents were and where they come from. That shit can haunt you for the rest of your life.
He adopted their culture to fit in, he's a professor to hold on to his culture but he wants his kids to be fully immersed in the Boston culture idk, Bojack the sho was doesnt make jerks to just be jerks
@@salsamancer how can you watch this show yet put such a peabrained amount of thought into aspects of it. nobody "successfully intergrates" - thats just racist propaganda people use to justify hating others. its a conscious decision to immerse / take on a culture and completely throw yours away, and there is always a reason for it
@@smonkk8556 nah, people do integrate. Few generations after and they stop being immigrants, and not talking about Americans or immigrants in America. It's an all encompassing thing, we are root to adapt to our surroundings to survive and beacuse we a social animals we adopt behavior from our new environment. It's not "propaganda" there are many studies about it.
Please note, I'm not saying that you are wrong and that _some_ people use it for hate porpoises. Nor that all people adapt the same and ditchs their "heritage".
But it's what it is.
Her father being a tenured professor is hilarious to me. Can you imagine having him as your teacher?
"'Ey, why did I get a B on this paypuh?"
"Ahhh shove it up your rear end, ya jagoff!" hahaha
I imagine he could actually be a perfectly normal professor, which would also be hilarious by contrast.
Yes, I can imagine, sadly...
A lot of people are nice in public and show their true colors at home.
isn't that how all professors and students talk to each other in Boston?
@@Vattgh3rn now i want to move to boston
0:25 ok but I love how she does the pillow thing, I used to do that
That exasperated 'okay' of resignation at the end was delivered perfectly. Always makes me laugh
She does looks like Daria :O
Sarah Lynn did say she looked like an asian daria.
I think that's pretty much what they were trying to do with Diane
I didn't see it before but now I do
@@juannaym8488 Making a more human like daria I guess
Diane rocks with that short hair
You mean she rocks that neck extension
@@jadennbarnn9346 It really brings out the neck part of her neck
It's okay to want to learn about your family history. Curiousity is an aspect of human nature.
I love how she lives in a world full of animals but still wonders why she looks different from other humans. priorities lmao
Its interesting that the human characters in this world still care about ethnicity.
Think about it.
You think in a world were they share their existence with "millions" of other species, who all look radically different from each other, that the humans of this world would just classfied themselves as one species and wouldn't think much about skin, eyes or hair color. Just like how the horses, cats, dogs, mice ect don't seem to care if members of their own species look different (such as having different color fur). But even here race is still somehow an issue among humans.
Thats depressing.
Eh well I don't see it much different from Pickles acknowledging that she's a pug and PB is a yellow lab
@@AluraAlua yeah, I can see some of it in that light, but there are other episodes where they make it obvious race is still a divisive issues with the humans. Like when Todd had to join a race based gang in prision, or that there have been a couple jokes taking shot at "white privilege". Isrealis and Palestinians still hate each other. WW2 and the Vietnam war happened in this world, so its also safe to assume all the others wars such as the US Civil War also happened. Even in this episode Diane seem insecure about being Asian and how she looks different from the other (I'm assuming human) kids. I kinda figure in this world being human would make her more of a minorty more so then being Asian or whatever race/ethnicity you happen to be.
Other species like the dogs may acknowledge different breeds, but so far there dosen't seem to be any real "Breedism" among them. When the animals do show discrimination, prejudice or bigotry towards each other, its usually directed at another species all together. Like how the mice treated Princess Caroline.
Makes you wonder if the animals have similar views about race, with mice only marrying mice or horses only marrying horses?
I saw that too in the latest season of Bojack. How Todd's stepfather came to see him and his stepfather realized all the stuff Todd went through he turned out okay bc he was white. His stepfather was Hispanic and he explained how hard it was for him to grow up and survive in his life. Sometimes I get that too because I'm Mexican-American and I see around me how sometimes we are treated differently. because we're just different. But I liked what Diane's father said how she is the same as everyone else, she's American, and she shouldn't be treated (or discriminated) differently from the other kids.
huh interesting point, in my opinion: People will be People
Is it wierd that Diane doesn't sound Bostonian?
Not really. Personally I think she sounds that way because she wanted to be an individual, ex: she didn't want to sound just like everybody else in her family.
Even as a child?
Maybe. Or it's just a memory that she's filled in with her adult voice. If that is the case then maybe she did have a Bostonian accent that we just don't know about and it's the writers letting us leave it up to our imagination to fill in the gaps.
Neither of them sound Bostonian lol
Maybe its the same thing as with young Bojack and little Bojack having the same voice
Her childish innocence never existed because of her father.
Dad snapped tf back, textbook definition of “don’t bother me when the game is on”
I mean its p solid advice "you're like anyone else, don't let em tell you otherwise."
It is, but he's reading between the wrong lines. Judging by his persistence about being from Boston, he was probably looked down upon for being asian, so he thinks that when Diane asks that, she's trying to indirectly tell him that she's being looked down upon for being asian. While what Diane really wants is to just know about her culture, which he completely doesn't get.
I feel her, my family never told me anything about my cultural background and during a long time i felt like a stranger every where I used to go
My great great grandmother: _Was Russian_
Me trying to find myself and cure my depression:
_Bring the vodka here, I am feeling like reconnecting to my roots today_
Odd question, but have you actually seen a HAPPY Russian?
A sober one.
I know this is probably a joke, but dont give into addiction. Its not a cure, its a symptom
That one tidbit about being herself and not letting anyone make her feel differently is actually and very surprising good advice
god i totally get this. i feel incredibly disconnected from my familial/cultural roots because my parents (my dad in particular) resonated more with america and its culture when they came here and just did not expose me to our own culture. so i'm basically disconnected from the rest of my extended family and just suffer a whole ton from imposter syndrome whenever i visit my home country or see my relatives. i'm grateful for the sacrifices my parents made to immigrate to the united states but i can't help but wish i was more connected to my culture especially growing up in a predominantly white area.
what’s your profile picture from? i know i’m out of subject here
@@samichan6848 ace attorney
That necklace young Diane wears omg 😭😭😭😭 literally all the 'cool kids' in my high school were wearing those in like 2015
*“I WOULDN’T ASK YOU TO HAVE A PERIOD ON YOUR DAY OFF”* WHHHHAT 🤣🤣🤣
To be fair, it's impossible not to sound like a jerk with a Boston accent.
I only realised now that the shop is called "Nguyen", just like Diane's last name lol
"Nguyen" is one of the most common surnames in Vietnam...
@@axelpatrickb.pingol3228 Not just that, it's used by over a third of the population (whereas the most common surname in the USA (Smith) isn't even used by 0.1% of the population)
0:32
He sounded sort of nice for a sec
I think my favourite part of this is that there’s some genuinely good advice nestled in there under the several layers of, well, that.
This actually seems to be a recurring theme in BoJack, that several of the characters are actually very intelligent but have never been in an environment where their intelligence could be nurtured
I connected with this part so much. I am mixed but my mother didn't transmitted anything about her homeland. I remember when I was 11 and a friend of mine was shocked that I don't speak creole. So I asked my mother about it and she answered it is useless. This scene reminds me of that conversation.
The all connected with the roots thing also speak to me. Often show presented that as a part of your DNA but it is not. If nobody transmitted that to you, all of your supposed roots look as foreign to you as for other people who are not from this country. It was nice to see that portray in a TV show for once.
oh god there is so much to break down about that period joke holy shit that's fucked up
Imagine going into a Vietnamese class and this guy with a thick boston accent is the teacher
THIS IS WHY I SAID WAIT IN THE CAR
Dad actually gave good advice.
Unlike butterscotch, well it was but it came from him despising everyone.
Me when I ask about my Panamanian heritage
I'm getting some answers, folks. Not a lot, but some
I'm a Panamanian, born and rise, your roots are not as amazing as you think.
Take it from me.
@@Joe-mz6ez kinda learned that last month.
Trust, I'm just as underwhelmed as you are
I would assume you would be a mix of Spanish (White) and Chibcha (Amerindian) ancestry...
Latino families hate the race/cultural background talk for some reason xd, my family is like that
It's been like... a year or something since I watched this episode and I keep thinking about this over and over again ever so often.
The main reason it sticks so hard with me is that whenever I think about Diane's dad saying that they're from Boston in response to being asked where they're from, to me it isn't "We're Americans duh" but more of her father preferring not to be reminded that he isn't...a full-fledged American in a sense.
Reminded that he's Asian, an "other", and "different" from the rest. It doesn't come from pride of being American to me, it comes from a place of insecurity and hesitance towards the idea that he isn't originally from America like "everybody else", and to him that very fact might even be shameful.
He is an American, no matter what assholes around say. And Diane is a much Americans as any other kid.
remember when race didn't matter in America? me neither.
race war now
@@Joe-mz6ez They are American, as American as any other family, but the pervasive culture in the US is one that only sees White Americans as simply "American" and everyone who isn't White as "other". American culture is one that says they're a melting pot but centralises the culture and interests of European, Puritan ideals and optics, because that's who had the power to establish it. Forgetting that allows the inequalities that were made part of the establishment to continue uninterrupted. Diane and the rest of the Nguyen family are American, but that doesn't make it wrong for them to research and stay connected to their roots, because that's just as much part of them as anything else. Considering that mainstream American culture places the cultures brought over by White European immigrants at the forefront (yes, even excluding the American-own Black American culture, except in whatever pieces they want to take for themselves), American culture is their culture, but it doesn't make room for them or consider them "fully" American; if it did, Diane wouldn't have been bullied by her classmates for being Asian.
Why do americans equate race with culture. Her being asian doesn't mean she has any understanding of vietnamese culture. She is as american as it gets doesn't matter if others are racist towards her. Being racist is part of American culture tbh lol just like hotdogs and 4th of july. America does not promote european culture either don't know where you got that from, america is literally based on a culture and religion that was kicked out of europe for being too obnoxious. European teens would be racist as well but because of her being vietnamese or french or liberian, its racism based on nationality not skin colour.@@rachelfox8108
young Diane should also have a Boston Accent, but that would be too distracting.
My guess is that she did but since this is a flashback/story device where she is reliving her childhood as an adult she is using her current voice.
The funny thing is that I also learned the same lesson Dian did when I went to the land of my ancestors.
A lot of us thought Diane and BoJack were going to hook up. Probably for the best that they didn’t, but dammit if we didn’t want to see another season! 😭
Idk why but I really love the detail of her sliding down the arm of the couch
'Dying young.'
Is this foreshadowing?! D:
No.
Sorry what do you mean? I think I missed something.
@@valentinomoran4874 Diane Nguyen sound a bit like Dying Young
Right like the episode called "Live Fast, Diane Nguyen"
The way they portray the successfully integrated immigrant family in this show feels weird. Somehow I always got the impression that the writers thought it was a bad thing for some reason.
ikr! It's like they don't recognize that American culture can have merits on it's own.
That it's a reasonable thing for an immigrant to adopt American culture for fun, rather than as a tragic "Joy Luck-esque" abandoning of self. (And even Joy Luck Club sort of resolves that idea in the end).
It feels like they're fetishingz other cultures, because they believe that Hollywood regularly portrays traditional American experiences, and those experiences might crowd out "immigrant experiences".
But they don't recognize that those "immigrant" experiences can overlap with more traditional American experiences.
I read an interview that said that if Raph Waksberg could have done it again, he would have hired Vietnamese writers (which is cool) and would have made more on an effort to portray a Vietnamese-culture experience in Diane. But I think a better decision, if they were really looking to promote equality and normalize diverse experiences
could be to include a "Vietnamese culture reaction" to America (In the form of a new Diane) and keep old Diane.
I think there's room for both.
I dunno why this felt so normal to me... Maybe it's because we don't need to reassure our cultural identity, since we are very mixed and stuff. Like, my family a mix of native people and asian, african and european immigrants (and when I say "african immigrant", unfourtunately she was probably a slave), so cultural roots don't really matter. It is more important to us to understand that you are equal to everybody and the things you do are the ones to define you, not where you came from.
You are right, when you are as mixed as that, caring about your cultural background it's confusing and at the end you start identifying just with your country culture. I'm the same mix you are lol
i forgot her dad was a professor lol
It hurts a second time when you start proving your "damages" to be justified and everyone around you gets hurt because they had to actually see themselves for what they are. Then its like...was it worth it to hurt more.
Life isnt a scoreboard. We want it to be but...well you all know the rest.
I felt this
That was way too fucking real for a two year old youtube comment with 6 thumbs up
My dad is from Boston and the Boston dad personally portrayed here is 10000% accurate
He's already a better parent than both of Bojack's parents combined.
That's genuinely sad.
That's how you know the bar is low
Yall acting like at 0:32 he’s being a good parent, nah man he basically said you’re just the same as everyone else, basically saying there’s nothing special about you and the way he says it you know he’s just regurgitating something he’s heard before but didn’t say it right at all.
If he was being a good parent he would’ve said, “you’re different but that’s ok everyone is different and unique from each other so don’t let others bring you down for being yourself”.
i think the backlash alison brie got from voicing diane was unreasonable. diane and her family were totally separated from their ethnic culture, so she literally had no knowledge of it. it wasnt like alison was doing a vietnamese accent, she was just voicing a woman isolated from her roots
that’s fair, but i think it’s notable that alison brie regrets voicing the role now. as a viet american who isn’t super super connected to my roots, i greatly appreciate and relate to the storyline, but it definitely would’ve resonated more knowing that the voice actress was vietnamese or at least of asian descent. i think a lot of asian americans in general have felt a disconnect with their mother culture, so it’s not a herculean feat to find a voice actress who is of asian descent and has perhaps felt that sort of disconnect within their life. that sort of thing would’ve been nice, but i think that it’s not 100% integral to the plot or the core of the show-it’d *just* be nice.
Exactly. I used to have a thing for a girl who was Vietnamese and you'd never know it if it wasn't for her name. She didn't look Vietnamese nor did she speak with an accent. In fact, Diane reminds me a lot of her, even the same last name funnily enough.
@@natplant her job there was awesome, so sad she has to feel bad about it cuz people for some reason care about the dna of the person voicing a cartoon more than the awesome work they delivered.
As an asian dude, I don't think voice roles should be race locked like that anyway. She did a great job and helped make her a memorable character.
Why do americans lie to themselves like this? Race doesn't determine culture. Race determining culture is literally founded in the race sciences from the 1800's, the sort that gave us eugenics,facism and the Axis powers. Americans by trying to be antiracists are somehow looping around to using the most racist science humanity has ever seen.
You are American and Vietnamese-American not Vietnamese. Same way Billy Bob mick from boston is American not Irish, or Big Jim from Appalachia isn't Scottish. Culture is something created by people living together and sharing experiences. You aren't part of the vietnamese culture but in the same way a vietnamese person can't claim to understand the vietnamese-American culture. Your lived experiences are unique to the vietnamese-american culture and that is a culture in and of itself, the same way the Vietnamese person has their own experiences living in Vietnam but doesn't know the struggles of being an immigrant to America.
This way of thinking is what leads to Americans being racist and upsetting black French footballers by telling them they are African and not French. If you have lived in France for 28 years to be told your culture is African because of your skin colour is so fucked. @@natplant
0:05 "Nguyen New Inn"
Love the detail in this damn show. I was just thinking that if Guy took her last name he'd be Guy Nguyen. phonetically it does nothing but it looks cool written out, having your first name inside your last name
It's weird watching this after watching Community. I can't unhear Annie now
Lol. Sames, but I'm Mexican American.
Same, but I am a Russian Spanish
Damn it feels so weird to see thin diane now
I know the VA isn't Asian, but I'm glad she was able to finish the project.
My family kept records, I know exactly where I come from.
He veers from good advice to bad advice like four times lol.
I feel bad for Diane, by far one of my favorite shows Bojack Horseman
I don't know why Diane's dad said "jagoff" when that is Pittsburgh slang. I guess the point was to be inaccurate and come up with any resembling the northeast.
"Why do you think I speak in this regionall accurate dialect?" *Proceeds to use Jagoff*
Where's her Jane Lane ?
Yes even the show pointed out the fact that she is basically an Asian Daria..
Good advice even though he also called her a jag off lol
That was genuinely good advice though
Her dad was the only one that cared and loved her
her dad doesn't seem so terrible actually
Yeah, it sounds to me like he was a genuinely intelligent man at some point. But I don’t know, I guess he became bitter and resentful at some point and just stopped giving a shit. Thank god Diane only inherited his intelligence and nothing more.
Is still bad he reject to teach Diane anything about their culture, and by seeing her brothers is easy to tell where their shittiness came from.
Plot twist: they are Cambodian (and yes i know Nguyen is more known as a Vietnamese name but still, it's a damn joke)
Actually, there WAS a large Vietnamese population in Cambodia. But then Khmer Rouge came to power, and butchered them. So it is possible Mr. Ngyuen could be a Cambodian heritage. Which would go a long way to explain his abrasiveness.
Who knows? Maybe they are, but doesn't change anything on how disconected Diane feels about her roots.
why does her dad say jagoff if he's from Boston and not Pittsburgh lol
Kalil E because of his....accurate regional dialect?
“I wouldn’t ask you to have a period on your day off” is crazy lmao
I love how she has a clear voice crack
im kinda sad tho that she couldnt speak any vietnamese or didnt know anything about her viet culture or traditions :(( just something connected to her ethnicity but ig it makes sense?
This is such an American thing-
You're HALF Vietnamese. But WHOLE American.
Yah its important to stay close to your ancestors, but it's just your ethnicity; not you're identity or destiny-
And the end of this episode proves it. Diane goes to Vietnam, feels nothing, and looses herself even more.
Well that was a lot to unpack in just a few minutes. Seconds? Sheesh oof Um well then.
i would say should of toughed it out for at least 2 more questions and she probably would of gotten something, quiters dont find out anything by quiting
Honestly what her dad said was pretty good. People nowadays put to much on racial background and forget who they are
Diane learning more about her heritage wouldn't diminish any part of herself at all though
@@nueshb4797It made her feel more alone and disconnected
Yeah I guess so
She went from Billie Eilish to Daria.
Love that her dad is eating Boston beans
Just the fact that her dad is a university professor but lives like most working class Bostonians.
I get the storks. But why is the road like that ?
@Mai Trương Kim
It looks like a dirt road, not concrete 🤔
@Mai Trương Kim
Nope, even if you add markings, it would still looks like dirt. It's the color. If you look at the road in other scenes, it's gray (like concrete)
@@lalaicyling8429 dirt roads exist
When I had long hair I looked like her lmao
How come she came out so pretty
Weeb Sexual this comment and your username says a lot about you and none of its good
Grandparents would have been boat people, probably. Tenured professor but won't talk about it? The trip is fine, but Diane's family doesn't make any sense.
Asian Daria
True man from Boston .
It’s funny see her family as Boston stereotypes or whatever
It seems like that dichotomy between integrating and wanting to keep your sense of heritage. It's supposed to be a blend, but not everyone knows or wants that.
You're either not American enough, or you're some kind of sell out for trying to be like other people.
And Fandom says Diane's dad is not voiced by Randall Park. 🙄
I might be the only one but I used to ship Diane and Bojack
They are super similar. I think the writers purposely made it so they were never single at the same time because if they did get together, they would have both made each other spiral.
Gawsh I looked just like her back in high school
Without the insults this is insanely good parenting for someone trying to raise a American teach them there just as American as anyone else and don’t let anyone tell you different
Young Diane looks hella bad though
I kinda think his remark makes sense. I only want my period a few days a month I wouldn’t want more of it. I’ve had it for 2 weeks straight( not normal) and it’s terrible. I’m ok with 4-5 days a month not more
So.. did anyone else recognize the Clarissa explains it all reference?
@Burinnu the house setting. Well it's referencing that for me😅
I thought that was daria
"Your just the same as anyone else and don't let anyone tell you different" this is actually great fatherly advice that Diane should have listened too, but she focused on the negative side of the conversation (looking different) so she lagitamitly deserves a lot of the pain she felt in this episode.
My grandmother was a mixed race orphan who was left there becuase her parents didn't love eachother and created something both of them didn't want. She was never adopted becuase she was a mix raced child and ended up becoming a nun. When she was old enough she got married and had allways taught us that race and heritage are NOT important. Who you are is not history. YOU are yourself and it doesn't matter what you look like or who you're parents were. People who believe the idea that race and heritage are important are people who are privileged enough to benefit from these things and fail to see how there behavior destroys the lives of those who do not benefit from having the wealth, power, and prosperity that comes from believing they deserve to have more simply becuase of what they are born from.
But you do realize that Diane's personality is also based on knowing her heritage, its also one of the reasons why she has a bad relationship with her father because he's also Vietnamese and teaches Vietnamese studies in University but doesn't have the care to at the very least educate his own children on their culture they're born from but instead has no problem teaching Vietnamese studies to students who are not related to him in class. I feel if he has enough time to teach that specific subject to strangers in school than he should've informed his daughter about it as her father for her own self worth to be confident in her own skin.
Your grandmother is pretty strong