What Does "Use Whatever Minis You Want" Really Mean?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 8 ส.ค. 2019
- There are a lot of miniature tabletop wargames that don't have specific miniatures designed to go with them - and they tell you to "use whatever minis you want" to play. What does that mean? And is this a good thing?
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My son and I test out new kill team configurations with green army men
Hey. That actually be kind of cool. Trying to paint my old green army men. I mean they have an ok amount of details and its usually pretty clear.
I use green army men taped to appropriately sized cardboard bases for basic guardsmen. Already spent all my money on bugs.
your pa chows are incredibly natural and free flowing these days. great video i don’t know how you manage to come up with so many new subjects each week. ❤️
Great video, thanks Uncle Atom.
Another good thing about this approach, which you touched on, is that it lets your miniatures be used in multiple games.
I have an Age of Sigmar army, and just joined a wargames club, but no one there plays AoS, but they do play an Osprey Game called Dragon Rampant, which is a fantasy battle game that lets you use whatever miniatures you want.
It has really flexible rules that let you customise your unit stats to what you have model wise, so I can use my AoS army in that game and it’ll still feel similar.
Well worth checking out. (There’s also a historical version called Lion Rampant, but I like some monsters in my games)
Yes, I have Dragon Rampant; it’s another great rules set from Osprey. Thanks for watching!
40K speed freeks make very nice Gaslands minis
Garlands, by Osprey is a fantastic example of this, it’s a Mad Max style future racing game. So naturally you use Hot Wheels cars. The cottage industry that grew up around Gaslands is superb too, people are cranking out some impressive minis by just adding custom bits to toy cars.
Garlands is a good name for a game. I'd be impressed if someone could make a Mad Max style future racing game setting that would match the word "Garlands"
"GASLANDS" for anyone trying to look for it.
I'm getting into the 9th age and really enjoying having tons of different miniature manufacturers to choose from. As long as the basing scheme and colour scheme are the same then all the models from different sources blend together nicely.
Ninth Age does look good in terms of rules and using whatever models you like. Their magazine also isn't half bad. That said, I'm always leery these days of tournaments, conventions, etc. that have a CoC policy. Chiefly because those policies only ever get applied to one demographic, which coincidentally is the chief demographic that actually shows up to said events. Funny how that works.
A great example of rules only companies is 2 Fat Lardies, with Chain of Command arguably their crown jewel. It is such a great rule system, and if you play 15mm scale, it is a relatively inexpensive way to play WWII historicals. Platoon level with armoured support with a patrol phase that sets the game apart from so many other games.
I have never played this game. But your channel is extremely helpful for me as a Gunpla builder. Your tips and tricks for painting has stepped up my models ten fold! You rock Unc!!!
Because of you I’ll randomly say pa-chow
So thank you and keep up the awesome work
Frostgrave is a great system for building custom warbands. My go-to warband is a motley crew of kitbashed Warhammer goblins. The main guy I play against uses a mixture of Warmachine and CMON minis for his warbands. For a hobbyist, it's great not being limited to a single model range.
My two-month-old daughter really enjoys your voice. She doesn't normally look at anything too long, but watched this entire video with me. #kitbash4life
How could you not like his voice is the real question
Rogue Star, Rangers of Shadowdeep, ASoBaH, and Operation: Last Train are all amazing. that's what I've been playing.
My favorite thing about many of these types of games is the lighter rule sets. Things like Infinity and Malfiaux (while still being fine games I enjoy) have so many models that all need their own individual rules, and those rules need to be written in a way that it interacts properly and is still balanced... Meanwhile, Something like Rogue Star says, this is a laser rifle, this is how it works, doesn't matter who has it, it always works this way. and for a guy like me, who just wants to have a beer and play a game without stressing about the nitty gritty for tournaments, it's a solid win
My Undead collection contains models from multiples manufacturers and I play multiple games with them.. The 9th Age, Kings of War and Age of Sigmar. It's a good time for the hobby!
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That is what this hobby is about. Fun. Always having fun.
Great video. Thanks for sharing.
Great video, and really relevant for me and my wife right now!
We bought the Song of Blades and Heroes PDF on your recommendation a few weeks ago.
For our first few games, we made custom units to use with the miniatures from the recent Doom boardgame, that I've been painting over the past few weeks. Marines vs Demons, where Marines have stuff that represents the rifle, shotgun, chaingun, chainsaw etc., and demons being a bit weaker per model, but with special rules that make sense in the context of the game.
Right now, we're playing a game of SOBAH with chess pieces, with rules that sort of makes sense for chess but on an open battlefield. King is a Leader, but slow and bad in combat, pawns are basically cannon fodder, knights counts as Mounted units, etc. Scenario rule is to kill the opponent king of course!
I'm working on squads of Wood Elves and Greenskinz from Warhammer that are also going to be a great matchup! I really love that it only takes a turn or two for a new player to pick up the gist of the rules and the flow of the game.
To me Osprey and their Blue Book Series is the champion of it.
Việt Trung Trần Gaslands is so much fun. Game wise and modeling. I’ll have to check out their other games.
A batrep for Zone Raiders finally came out, it definitely looks like a nifty game. I'd have never known about it if it wasn't for Uncle Atom!
Excellent points about kit-bashing, customisation, and how you can use this as an opportunity to exercise your creativity.
I got asked the same question recently by a friend who is new to the hobby...and here I have Uncle Atom answering so I just forwarded him the video :)
I can heartily recommend "Operation: Last Train". It is a small scale skirmish game from Joseph A. McCullough (the Frostgrave guy). It is a solo co-op game.
Sounds interesting, thanks for the heads up :)
I finally got to a video before it had thousands of likes already! Feels pretty good :)
Thanks for reminding us to just play the games and not worry about some of the particulars that may get in the way. If we're playing, we're doing well. Keep up the good work 👍
never heard of of Osprey Games before this video. good job mentioning that. by the looks of it, it seems to be up my alley.
also: "Use whatever minis you like" said no GW staff ever.
Osprey make some great games, well worth checking them out.
This is a great idea, and I can also see this video opening up a discussion about model collecting/painting and what people want from their Minis. For me, I have been on the Games Workshop bandwagon for about 17 years, however recently I have been playing a lot more of other games from other companies. The group I play with likes to switch around what games we play and as such, it feels like every two months we have a new game system with different figures. In part thanks to your videos I have decided to paint up a a big batch of different models from my collection to a higher level tabletop quality then normal to use in these newer games. The way I figure it, I'm going to be wargaming for at least 20 years and I can see the games changing as I play. As such, I want to be able to use well painted models to represent whatever Minis I used in the games we play. That way whenever we switch to a new game system or get settled on one we like I will be able to have well painted figures that I can tell history of the games they've been a part of. For example, I am just now finishing up about 80 metal lord of the rings gw models that can be used for any medieval or D&D setting.
(Another video that helped me to this mindset was your/the "who are you painting your minis for?" )
We have to mention the excellent Studio Tomahawk with SAGA, Jugula, Dead Man's Hand, etc!
Never wanted to get into tabletop war game that doesn’t have a miniature line until I saw Carniverse on Kickstarter, just backed it so this is a timely video!
Warlords of Erehwon by Rick Priestley : recycling my old GW mini collection :D
The 9th Age fantasy Battles, the game made by players for the players, has been around for over 3 years. It is now in second edition with the set rules being frozen. They are now working on the actual army books now. The Warriors of the Dark Gods codex is incredible. The ETC had incredible models made by the players of this great game.
Thanks for the Wreck Age shout out Adam xoxo
"Use Whatever Minis You Want" is every game if you have enough green stuff and bits in the bits box
Or a resin 3D printer
@@ninetails6218 FDM works just as well if you are FDM savvy.
Meeko1001 Yeah, but resin works out of the box. So it depends, if you want to tinker with it and really master the machine, 100% FDM is for you, but if you’re more interested in painting/3D modeling with minimal set up, resin is the way to go. Both are about the same price too ($500 is a safe baseline for quality from either at this rate).
Nine Tails after printing most of this year in resin I will say it does not print out of the box.
I've printed about 4k points so far and its still a brutal process to setup and oriente a model for a successful clean print
This is off topic but I'm using blood bowl guys in warcry. I love the idea of the shambling undead football team instead of the regular skeletons. all I have to say I the rule is cool and no one can tell you what you think is cool
Really good idea, since the Blood Bowl line came out I’ve been wanting to kitbash human players so I can take some roided up Adeptus Arbites instead of the boring Scion models
We usually play with 25/28mm miniatures from various companies, but for a couple of months we didn't have access to them. So we gamed with my Star Wars Lego minis, swapping weapons and cloaks and such with fantasy L:ageo minis. In the way-back, we used various plastic board game tokens with the character's name on a piece of masking tape. It's just a representation of what is goin on to help people visualize distances, numbers, and facings.
It means I usually play them and buy their books. That's what that means. Great example is Kings of War. I have one of their ogre armies, undead armies, and orc armies, however my favorite armies is my Perry Miniatures plastic Hundred years war fantasy army.
Instead of guns I used Wizards to represent that fire power. I bought some boxes of the plastic Frostgrave Wizards to use as my Rifleman formations.
My daughter painted and uses Reapermini's Mouslings and I use GW Sisters of Sigmar for our Frostgrave warbands. I got her interested in the game because of how cute the Mouslings are.
Another new video, hit me with your knowledge uncle Atom
One big example is my Landship basically a 1.35 london Bus with napoleonic canons and sails pulled by Perry mintures war of the Roses
So, a while back, when I watched your video about SOBAH, I followed up and discovered Ganesha Games' Giant Monsters and Robots bundle and I've found loads of bashable kits to customize from. Some of my favorites are the more goofy Bandai kits from canceled or dated shows from the early 80s and the like - I mean the ones where the styling looks more like 1950s B-movie robots where every appendage is a version of a flexible lamp neck and every antenna had a ball on the end. That being said, I don't know if it was the self-print PDF option or the fact that the rules are just begging for adjustment, but we have tones of notes (conveniently scribed on the back of any page because my printer only prints one sided) on this game that basically comprises a 'house rules version' which we wrote to fit the scale we chose to play in.
We have a lot to be grateful for in our Italian friend... and in you as well, Atom.
I love Frostgrave. It was my second miniature game ever. Going to check out ZoneRaiders now!
Another great video and discussion piece. My son and I are new to the hobby (well, I've not played since my late teens) and we've fallen into the Warhammer 40k gravity well...does anyone have any suggestions of model-agnostic games we could use our 40k minis with (i.e, a futuristic setting)?
Osprey do some great stuff, I ran into Gaslands, Ronin, Daisho, and In Her Majestys Name and the Ministry of Gentlmanly Warfare.. some great indie rule books out there!
I play The Ninth Age, I started because I wanted to play with my old warhammer models and wasn’t satisfied with AoS. Now I think on of the biggest advantages is building a new army and trying to find great models that I love that fit my view of that army.
Good video. You touched on using these games to stretch your creativity, to find other cool models out there, and/or kitbashing stuff. All great options. But I feel like you missed an opportunity by not stressing that many of these games can just as easily be approached and played with whatever you already have. For example, if you have even one decent Age of Sigmar army, I bet you could build 2-4 frostgrave warbands out of it. No new purchase needed. No extra hobby time needed. Just grab what you have and go for it.
I agree with your main take that these games ARE a great way to flex creativity. But for the fiscally more limited folks out there, they're a great way to drop a few bucks on a PDF ruleset and have a completely new experience with what they already have.
Thanks for the video!
Kitbashing and doing conversions is my favorite part of the hobby!👍
Great video. Thank you.
Kit bashing one can say started with us model railroaders making our own rolling stick either cause no one makes it or what ifs or just because.
My favorite rules for whatever minis are Gruntz, Ral Partha Chaos Wars and Full Thrust.
I use my Seraphon skinks for frostgrave I need some archer type guys though for my Slaves to Darkness warband
Received my Osprey Reality's Edge book in the mail today!
Great video! Glad you mentioned Osprey, because I’ve pretty much switched over to playing just their games and loving it.
I looked up Zone Raiders, and saw it Kickstarted in Feb. of this year. I take it it’s not available anywhere else yet?
It’ll be available on their website soon, I believe. Thanks for watching!
Thanks to this video kicking things off, I now have all the Frostgrave books, Rangers of the Shadowdeep, heaps of new miniatures and terrain, and a 3D Printer...
Speaking of rando minis: Have you tried any Heroforge minis?
I like the customizability of them, but when I've seen them painted they always look like they have a weird, gritty surface. I believe it's a 3D print thing, but I was wondering if there's a way to prime them that could make them look better.
Yeah love having these games around as means I can have loads of games in the car and it's fun to crank out lots of different teams. Well worth having done if these games handy.
Where might I find a list of games that work like this?
Hey Atok, have you heard of Burrows and Badgers from Oathsworn Miniatures?
This video was so informative 😄
I hadn't thought of tabletop wargames this way. Thanks for the inspiration.
Kitbahsing is my favourite part of the hobby. I literally kitbashed all my models so they feel more personal to me
I’m getting more into kit bashing with some recent projects. I’m looking forward to talking about them on the channel as I get further along. Thanks for watching!
I've done some tinkering with a skirmish game design that would be "minis-agnostic" like this. I have some interesting ideas for dice mechanics and such, but generally, the idea is to make a competitive game with a tight rule set for tournament play that can be balanced without the conflicts of interest that come from the need to Sell The New Stuff.
I do anyway! If I can fit them into my head cannon. My Frostgrave campaign is a sci-fi saga. Reason why? I own more sci-fi miniatures than fantasy.
Sounds like you're going to love Stargrave when it comes out.
The 9th Age rules!
Atom can you make a video about your opinion on 6mm miniatures?
Kit bashing for historicals is also legitimate. Even today, there are figures it's impossible to get "as cast".
I think Battletech uses a halfway approach in this regard: Ral Partha make the miniatures, but it is stated in the rulebook that the player can use anything to represent the units. I recall that a given example is a business card on a stand.
Great advice, however you need a big stock pile of bits and parts of unused models to start kitbaching effectivly.
This is a particularly attractive type of game if you're someone with a 3D printer (especially a good mini printer like the Photon), since you can piece together and customize groups of figures SOOOO easily from freely available figures online.
Great video. Bummed I live in a somewhat geek-starved area and don't have a handful of people like you around to play systems like these.
I am an RPG'er and have lots of individual minis and have been thinking about getting into war-gaming and I think these types of games are exactly the type for me.
Which games are best at really going into customized armies/warbands?
Both in hobby, and mechanics/listbuilding.
Check out Inquisitor 28 (Uncle Atom did a video called "Great Things About Old Tabletop Games" where he talks about it)
About 20 years ago (closer to 15)i had a huge imperial guard army, i loved the catachan soldiers, but decided they were not mean enough, i stuck orc arms on and painted them skin colour, they looked badass, crazy to see its still all the same teams!
That *would* certainly make them seem pretty jacked. Thanks for watching!
Striker (an old rules set for old Traveller RPG), though I don't usually wargame, it's my goto rules for my Traveller games involving larger scale engagements. I use a lot of Mantic/Warlord/Reaper/Hasslefree/Victoria minis. I wish there was a way to get an official updated revamp of the Striker rules.... that would be cool.
I personally love game systems without miniatures lines attached to them. Like uncle atom I'm more of a hobby hero and want to paint whatever model I feel like at the moment but because it bothers me a bit to give up space for models I wouldn't have any use for after I painted them, I always look for games I could use them for. Recently Rogue Stars from Osprey games has been my excuse to get lots of Infinity Miniatures.
I just got started playing Full Thrust, a starship miniatures game. It's sort of skirmish like since each fleet is only about 6-12 figures, depending on the point value played. The rules are available online for free. You are allowed and encouraged to use whatever miniatures you want, but the game company does have a model line if you want to use those. The community has extended the rules in free online supplements so you can have an easier time making your own custom factions and universe. It's an interesting kind of freedom compared to something strict like 40k.
Great vid!
I'll second Osprey's games. Rogue Stars is AMAZING.
It's also based on A Song of Blades and Heroes, so if anyone likes the concepts of that game, they can easily jump into Rogue Stars.
Does uncle Atom has a video about that post apocalyptic game he mentioned? This is not a test? Can't find any
Awesome video! If you can proxy in a paperclip for a Primaris, why shouldn't you be allowed to do the same with an actual miniature?
Dragon Rampant is another good Fantasy Combat Game from Osprey that uses any minis you like. I mix my Lord of the Rings, with Dream Blade and Wargods of Aegyptus.
i remember the original warhammer fantasy had the campain box with cardboard counters for figs. got rule book and we made carboard armies and we had fun
"please stand by" is a nice little skirmish zombie combat book i bought about 6 years ago. no models, just rules and scenarios set in multiple time periods. cool modeling opportunities.
An Orc is an Orc a dwarf is a dwarf and so on, there are so many companies making minatures its easy to find whatever you're looking for.
One of my new fav games, Gaslands, has some models around the internet, but the instruction book literally tells you to go find some hot wheels and use those, and just kb the shit out of them, and they're so much fun to make
Anything of the major systems by warlords games for example... Hail caesar - they even say to use what you want in the rulebook. Bolt action - nobody cares what company sculpts as long as they're suitable for the period etc.
“gaslands” players have made some awesome madmax style vehicles from matchbox cars
Where did you get that shirt?
It is very funny.
I want to mention Ronin by Osprey also, Great Feudal Japan skirmish game ruleset.
Great vid. I have did just that recently and started my own Pagan Scots army using both old and new models to suit the rule book and backstories I have written. Been most interesting build i have done. Maybe make a,vid one day and get some feedback.
Only problem I've had is scale variation when shopping different company's miniatures. I try to pull as many from one company as I can.
Thank you for this video! Since the beginning of wargaming, we old grognards have know that rules and figures are two different things. Heck the original Warhammer didn't have a miniatures line.
You spent a lot of time on kitbashing - which is great, but you don't even have to go that far. If you build up a decent collection of historical figures, especially WWII, Ancients or Napoleonics, you will find there are hundreds of rules sets out there for you to try.
Again many thanks for the video.
Great video. And Draculas America!
Thanks for addressing miniatures agnostic games. My company's new game, URBAN MANHUNT, has no model line and I'm glad I went that route for a lot of reasons. The main reason is that it makes the game more accessible and affordable, since you create your own hunters' game stats based on whatever miniatures you have laying around. People are used to the notion that getting into a new miniatures game requires a large investment and I did my best to throw that out the window. Each player needs one miniature to play and it can be almost any miniature you desire. It's also playable as a solo game, which also increases the accessibility. The more small press games companies can break down the cost barrier, the more our hobby will grow.
I start with this type of rulesets when I start with modern warfare wargaming. And is a big advantage if i can use my 20mm (mostly elhiem figures) modern stuff through different ruleset like Force on Force, Spectre Operations, Skirmish Sangin or Fireteam Modern. I can as detailed or less how i like to do for a specific scenario. Not to be bound on a specific range of figure range or scale is a huge advantage and give me much more possibilities to play that kind of game that I like.
Atom everyone I watch a video you mention another game I have never heard of and then must discover it.
Just to note that Mantic don't require you to use their models (at least not for Kings of War). Probably because the game is designed for to be compatible with with GW armies, but I appreciate the creative latitude it allows.
Saga Age of Magic is really good for using all this kickstarter plastic and old dusty armies :)
i really wish i could find a modern day(not cold war, like 2012 and after) combined arms miniature wargame. ive been writing my own but it feels bad. i found a couple but they were typicly really skirmish based (like special forces stuff)
That rail bike on your shirt would be an amazingly smooth way to cycle..... Until you get arrested. ;)
My favorite thing to do!
I'm liking this style of game more as big boxed board games are getting better and better minis - the CMON Massive darkness Enemy boxes are great value for money units & characters for fantasy games. Plus I picked up a painted up set of Runewars miniatures game, wasn't a fan of the rule set, but I do have 2 armies :)
Had a lot of success using 20mm plastics glued to FoW small bases for 1700s / ACW BlackPowder
Man, I'm still holding out for Harder Than Steel from Ganesha Games for a unit based generic sci fi skirmish game.
Gaslands is a great game. Uses hot wheels as a base scale but rules can be used for any toy car within reason
QUESTION. How can one find people to play with if you dont live in a city or close to a game shop?
Uncle Atom is part of a team that developed the GAMEFOR app, which is designed to help people do just that. Check it out :)
Even In Norway?
M Edvinsonn I’m not sure if it works in Norway, unfortunately. Worth a try :)
I need some kitbashed amd converted Chaos Cultists for my 40k collection...
Except for Necromunda I just play this kind of games. Absolutely love that freedom. On the negative side I can say that I almost buy every miniature I see, because I think I can use them in 10 different systems :-D
I never want to play in a shop that won't let me use the miniatures I like. It's why I avoid Warhammer stores like the plague.
Cool
Ghost Mutton yeah because all of those other miniature producers have their own brick and mortar stores..... oh no, they dont. 😱
Maybe consider that you are using a space you don’t own and you are not payng for it. Showing support to the store for giving you such a playground for free buyng not only official minis but official minis at that specific lgs is not only guaranteeing that store to stay open, but it is also a metter of politeness, much like when you go to a bar and ask to use the toilet, and after you buy something from them (even a 1€ coffe) it’s just a civil way to say thank you.
@@12neef independent wargaming stores are all over the place what you on about?
J K not really. A lot of people say that the GW store is the only one in their town. I am blessed with having options. Many are not.
What i am talking about is that people want to bring non-gw models to a gw store. GW is a free space to build paint and play at no charge. The reason is that you are free advertisement for their product. Bring in non GW product would defeat that purpose.