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The best part is at around 11 mins when the guy says, "Where most likely the gun was kept, there's nothing there," referring to the missing spot in the inventory. It really is all just game mechanics for them.
"rp it out" or "roll with the punches", riGhT?
Crazy they don’t understand the GSR mechanic is not enough itself.
true that
Seeing pigeon dna appeared on scene despite the fact the pigeon dna is not on record
They understand what angel is saying. They just don’t like it. They will have to actually do police work. Instead of using game mechanics to send people off to jail.
@@madcarver4492 Exactly. They knew they were cutting corners this whole time in 4.0
@@julieannewaller7541 where does everyone get this narrative from im 100% sure mcnulty took pigeons dna when he caught him for that one laundrymat a couple months ago. did he forget to put it on his profile or are people just running with a story?
Rare Angel W. This actually sets a huge precedent for shooting in the city, and it’s actually a fair and logically sound ruling. There’s no definitive proof showing Mr. K actively took part in the shoot out, and it’s on the shoulders of any PD to be able to prove beyond a reasonable doubt the subject committed a crime.
Honestly with K’s and Suarez trial she set huge precedents for criminal cases, for K it was GSR alone is not enough evidence and for Suarez it was casings alone are not enough evidence. She’s kinda forcing the cops to conduct more investigation to prove a person is guilty of the crime they’re charged with
Well it will only be not guilty in angels cases the other judges will push guilty cause theyre clueless
Yes, you need more than simply GSR; I'm not sure why the PD doesn't see this. Instead of basing everything on gaming mechanics, conduct some real police investigations.
It’s cause they don’t know how to😭😭
You’d think the investigation would be the fun part, too!
True that ❤️
Ironic that in her closing statement she said possession is 9/10ths of the law but he wasn't found with a weapon
@@ryanne.5172 IF I KNEW HOW TO BE A COP I WOULD LOVE TO DO IT BUT IM NOT SMART ENOUGH TO REMEMBER ALL THE THINGS THEY SAY LOL
10:55 “where most likely their firearm was being kept there’s nothing there anymore” - this officer needs to be fired. Absolutely braindead. He’s talking about the inventory slot.
"is my assumption, not enough evidence?!"
Angel: "gsr test is not 100% accurate, so therefore a gsr test cannot be used as sole proof a crime was committed, use it in addition to other evidence"
Cops: "I don't get it, why can't we rely on mechanics" like bro idk fkn roleplay it out???
Yeah. Instead of rushing to scene maybe take some photos who is shooting and who is robbing who then maybe have a chance to say look he was gsr positive and I have a picture how he was robbed so highly likely he had a gun and was involved in shooting. 😅 so simple or maybe sometimes don't arrest just make photos and let him go 10 15 min later you probably will find him in another shooting incident with same outfit 😅
@@Ubagz That's something that I think K's defense should have used to just put the nail in the coffin. Just been like "The Police said multiple times that the incident lasted 30 minutes, and in that 30 minutes they were taking pictures and documenting everything involved including clothing and cars, but not 1 cop got even a single picture of Mr K with a weapon."
A lot of them are terrible roleplayers, period.
Haha, also Nino who already is not a fan of Ruby witnessed all this. She is 100% going back to being officer once he is a Mayor. Honestly, sooner the better.
Ruby is a textbook definition of a cop that Nino doesn't want. She can't think for herself, she is not able to apply the human aspect when it comes to the arrests and things related to them. Which ironically makes her the one being difficult to deal with when you are a crim. Just because a server mechanic says something, it doesn't 100% mean that the person is guilty.
I remember this incident happening and when LK was in the cell at the PD. He explained his side of things to Ruby but it was pointless because in her mind gsr positive = guilty. It didn't matter to her that nobody saw him shoot and that he didn't have a gun on him. She called him as being difficult to deal with and refused to even reach a middle ground when the lawyer arrived.
You don't wanna have cops like this on the server. What she did stops RP, not only for the crim but also for the lawyers. It is one of the reasons why lawyers stopped showing up because what's the point of being a lawyer if the cops don't roleplay with you.
Idk about that Andi Jones is running for Mayor. I think she is going to win
@@marcaisse Nino is running in Los Santos county. Andi is running in Blaine county. Nino doesn't have anyone running against him aside from Osvaldo, so he'll very likely be the mayor.
Oh nice. Two great mayors at the same time@ethanhodges4283
NP cops are so lazy. They're upset they can't just rely on mechanics to get a case across the line now.
Just wanna point out bones from Spain literally laughted and said wtf with how little evidence our p.d needs to push charges
@@davidcorrea-3136 are the cops better on his server ❤️
This with just alittle bit of police work they can charge ppl
@@DESHAWNTE9090dont know, just know he is in charge of Spain server and said dna evidence should be to prove suspections when u have other evidence.. shouldnt just be "hah got dna, jail for u, no need for other evidence, I prove u there"
@@davidcorrea-3136bros not wrong either
Cops can't believe judges are wanting more than just gameachanics... it is nice to see a judge not reward laziness and making them have any evidence outside game mechanics
its CRAZY how they think 1 evidence that doesnt justified if he did a crime or not is enough....... vs. K help the officers with plenty of evidence with max and Siobhan and DO ABSOLUTELY NOTHING because "its not enough evidence" 😂😂😂😂
Fax
It pretty simple angel is just saying don’t be lazy do the work
PD grumpy that they have to do work to prove things.
"First thing we try is to preserve life" 😂
Where is the firearm!? no witness no casings no actual proof of robbing by not catching the perpetrator only GSR positive leading to false charge. Fought back with enough backing of the questioning and staying strong on defense. Absolutely loved watching this case. Truly creates more RP in other scenarios of shooting.
Yeah. They doing bad mistakes rushing in scenes head on xD go make some photos from distance who shooting, who robbing who the when Lawers foia doc will say we will not going to win this case xD
@@Ubagzhypothetically you in real life would roll up to a shooting to take pictures instead of preventing the shooting or trying to save the person being shot? That sounds a little crazy lol
@@umop3plsdn real life is a real life
Using only GSR as evidence is just Lazy investigating
It's like irl. There was gun shot in that area and you were walking away from that area, so you fired a firearm. 😂
How do they not understand that you need more than one piece of real evidence and a bunch of assumptions to find someone guilty.
Essentially, this should be the situation in EVERY SINGLE CASE. One singular piece of evidence should never be enough to push charges on someone.
The PD does all have the advantage of mechanics for them. The crims dont even have the counter to GSR and DNA. What crims can do is just justify their arguments by relying more in RP route rather than mechanics, it will create more creativity and like this court cases. thats why the devs dont added counter mechanics for that but the PD cant see this and just like to be lazy and handed all to them.
10000%
Soon there will be koil was talking about it ❤️
In 3.0 if you went in water you’d tell the cops that and even if you were gsr+ they’d say you weren’t you could also /me wash hands if there was a sink.
All of these cops should be perma cadets at best. They keep promoting the cops that abuse and rely on mechanics
If they just taught RS vs PC more clearly to officers this would make more sense. GSR+ you have RS that a gun was fired, you can search them and investigate further. GSR+ & Gun on person = PC for arrest and charges. GSR+ & witness testimony = PC to press charges but witness will need to testify if challenged, and be credible. Its honestly not that hard if they remember they are role playing and not gaming.
its like the multi prong requirement to voice ID someone
You nailed it
They barely teach RS and PC in 4.0. Most of PD command and HC doesn't even know or care about it. Brian was the only cop who used to drill RS and PC into his cadets but he hasn't been doing P&T stuff since middle of 3.0. Mehdi stopped playing cop because of how frustrating it is with this PD and group of dumb cop players.
About time they force the PD to actually do some RP and find evidence.
NP cops mad cause they cant do thier job... it must be a day of the week that ends in Y lol
Relying purely on server mechanics to push a charge is just fail RP. THE PD IS NOT A GANG AND YOU NEED TO ACTUALLY DO YOUR JOB
How do they make something so easy to understand so ridiculously difficult.
Its funny how she says "our first priority is to preserve life, so we move them as soon as possible." It has nothing to do with wanting to secure the scene. And pervert anyone getting picked up.
Prevent any one being picked up😂 proof read your comment so you don't use the completely wrong word lol
@@onthemarkgaming9718 nobody cares
@@justinberube8525 you're right, nobody cares about your comment calling someone a pervert. You cared so much you replied. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@onthemarkgaming9718 aw my feels
@@justinberube8525 who?
Ruby just admits defeat. It's not your fault that you were somehow dealing with your feelings and was somehow was annoyed by Mr. K dick jokes and say fk it charge him with this and that. Mistakes happens. Let it go. Leave your bias at home when going on duty.
these cops are idiots. shes saying do some damn work. gsr is a tool and shes saying the tool to gather evidence is not evidence itself
"if you represent the PD you might as well be a member of the PD yourself." I agree, let's get a DA for the cops. The bonus is they can more effectively hold court in the jail cells.
Gsr positive with casings around the body with no gun. Surely he is guilty.
Ever consider its transfer from.whoevet possibly shot him at close range?
that's what koil said on his character ❤️
@@DESHAWNTE9090 on Franny he said why did that guy shake ur hand after shooting you
@@AbhishekGupta-ul8nm yes❤
JUST GSR, THERE ARE GUN RANGES IN THE CITY
They'd just argue mechanics again and say shooting ranges aren't actually open to the public
@@topgeorge6908 I remember Pred was towing a car for being in front of a bus stop and the cop said “but there are no buses.” 🤦♂️
@@gmoney9469 Which is even worse because there are buses driving around in the city
@@topgeorge6908 there is gun ranges too that you can here people shooting inside
and to think this arc started with k losing the case where he argued they planted a gun on him and he lost anyways even though the prosecution lacked evidence to charge him
They actually had tons of evidence he was the victim too lol
@@drparker135 exactly and cause of past vendettas with cg they fucked him and woke up the dragon
From what i rememeber they never brought up there was casings around his body. And if there was they didnt bring it up. Thats why he EASILY won that charge
I don't get the confusion. Literally all they had to do is look at where the body was, look at the casings around it, look for the projectiles that match those casings and see if them stem from the body. If you can't match projectiles without the weapon, then follow the blood. Most people don't go down where they start bleeding. See if there's the same casings at that first blood site that leads to the final site of the body
The fact he didn't shoot at this specific scene and they have such a hard-on for pushing charges is crazy
The problem for me was it was like hey mrk your bad bc the game mechanic says so...
This whole thing reminds me, i really miss GTA rp from before No pixel. With the hardcore servers.
Nothing against nopixel. Its just sometimes i miss hardcore investigations.
its crazy how they arent understanding this
i mean, K got moved by the time the cops got there. those casings wern't even his lol. also, he could just argue he went to the range at ammunation and. gun stores let people fire weapons on their ranges.
They'd just say shooting ranges aren't actually open to the public. Arguing mechanics as they did with all the other stuff
At 11:00 to 11:10 the dude is arguing mechanics, bro is brain dead cop who just follows pings. “ The common spot where people keep their gun in their inventory was empty, therefore definitely stolen and can’t be argued”
They mention in the court case and in this part that bbmc was involved. From watching it live they had no involvement.
It's Ruby being Ruby not knowing that bbmc and admc are two different mc clubs. Her own officer had to explain it to her
if they really can’t understand why K won, they are too far gone just like Max
Stop being lazy stop relying on out rated broken abusive mechanics. RP , investigate do your job as a Cop. Imagine if crims had a reliable mechanic to erase GSR . PD would be fucked . 😂
I don't get the "gun casings" senario that she's trying to use. If shell casings were around him, he'd argue that he was shot up close.
They can match the casings to the bullets they find.
@@ethanhodges4283 match them to what? They dont have a gun.
@@inksday To each other... If the bullet that hit him doesn't match the casings beside him, he didn't get shot up close.
How is it hard to understand that someone could have shot a gun, perhaps at the gun range, and then gets shot down and Gsr’d an hour later? GSR doesn’t give you when he shot a gun, just that he has at some point shot a gun. They need corroborating evidence that proved he shot it at that point. Why is it that hard to understand?
i gotta way for ruby to formulate a way for other officers to get the idea.......try being police and actually conducting an investigation
Also because you see someone robbing does not mean that something was taken.
Pretty crazy that back then, everybody hated Angel when she was a cop coz she was trigger happy. Now that she’s a judge, she’s fucking killing it in the role and doing peak work.
Ruby making it sound like doing their job is difficult in cop pixel. "Trying to come up with a way in my head how to articulate a charge without real evidence other than a game mechanic"
They can't be this stupid... 2min in and I can't.. Wow.. How can people walk around and can't make a case..
yes
I bet the cops don't start lying on the stand now
G s r , can show up if you were fertilizering you’re garden so no gun no charge if I was lawyer I’d ask the question when did you garden last was it with in the last 24 hrs of the shoot out
They argued that a lot, but Angel refused to allow proof that GSR tests can present false positives under certain conditions... Then in their deliberation they said that the defense didn't prove that GSR tests can present false positives.
At least the ruling was right, but refusing to allow something to be proven or disproven, then using that inability to prove or disprove something, is the same braindead nonsense that has been going on with the PD/DOJ especially egregiously since the beginning of 4.0.
ruby finding out how guns work for the first time or what? did she just assume that ballistics and GSR magically appear from a gun? u need evidence to show it
why isnt this on reddit?
erm admin judge angel I don't undertand how a coded game mechanic is not enought convict on its own in an RP server!! 🤓👆
Coaching them how to lie to get that conviction
Technically (im sure this isnt a mechanic ingame, but you could make the argument) that someone around you shot a firearm, and thats why you have residual gunpowder on you.
Gun shot residue only comes out of the back of a fire are by the hammer and doesn’t go very far. So, you could make that argument, if you want to be laughed at
@@Dkatt25 "Expelled gunshot residue does not travel very far from the muzzle because the particles lack momentum. Depending on the type of fire arm and ammunition used, it will typically travel no farther than 3-5 feet (0.9-1.5 meters) from the muzzle of the gun."
Not to mention they are very fine dust particles, which mean they get picked up by the wind. Its not like all that dust instantly falls to the ground.
Also, it doesnt just exit out the back of the gun. It goes every which way. The front, the back, and if there are any holes for pressure release, it goes out of those aswell.
Im sure if you walk through the gun range you exit covered in GSR.
So yes, you could make that argument, and be laughed at by idiots that have no idea how GSR works.
No offense ofc.
Edit: Typo.
@@Uhdksurvhunter It would not land on your hands
@@Dkatt25 What wouldnt land on my hands? Gun shot residue?
If im walking by a few guys at the shooting range im covered in GSR.
Its a dust, it'll blow all over you. Your hands, your shirt, your face, your genital area. All over.
Just give it up. You obviously have no clue.
@@Dkatt25 It would land all over you. Its fine dust particles that get blown all over.
It would land in your hair, on your shirt, on your hands, on your crotch.
All over.
Seems like the new judges are trying to do a better job to balance out pd vs crims on charges standard. Pd should not rely on just mechanics. Because you can't argue mechanics in court
need this for DNA
People charged for the July 3rd incident are taking it to court. It'll probably get ruled blood on scene isn't enough to push charges. That's why she allowed the PD to push warrants. She knew people would get caught and fight it in court to set a precedent
It doesn't prove WHEN he shot the weapon weather he's gsr positive or not.
Nobody in that case brought up that he was surrounded by casings or where the bullets landed that would match the casings , those two things plus gsr would be beyond reasonable doubt in a court case . PD roleplayers should take a look at how much work other roleplayers have to do on the server to make things work , for example , growing vegetables, theres like 10 steps before you can do anything thats fruitful , another example is , building materials , you have to literally grind for weeks before you get the really good stuff , so they gotta stop complaining and actually do some investigation , every case cant just be open and shut .
Angel with the anti pd ruling... I'm stun locked
"You mean I can't just use my "PD Win mechanic" to do my job? Bloody Rubbish Crickey!" - Ruby York
This is braindead af they don't understand this. It's extremely simple:
Hearing a shot in the area gets you to respond.
A GSR test can give you RS to search someone for a firearm.
Finding a firearm then gives you PC for an arrest.
The most fundamental problem of the NP cops is that they do not understand the difference between Reasonable Suspicion (RS), which gives you grounds to detain and search people, and Probable Cause,(PC), which allows you to arrest and charge. This is not complex.
Lol or he needs to have a gun on him that was mr k's whole point they had no gun just GSR and he was shot so yes he has GSR on him but he had no gun and they just let the other guys leave
It's quite simple: A positive GSR test is not, on it's own, enough to convict someone of criminal use of a firearm. It's *supporting* evidence that requires a gun, or other physical evidence that the defendant fired a gun *on scene*. The fact that the PD doesn't understand this is baffling.
Only thing i dont like is that Mr Ks defense was all based on GSR tests can give false positives, but Judge Angle was wanting to set precedence that GSR positive alone isnt enough. kinda a f u to the defenses work and time to make a precedence.
Haven't any cops rper seen any crime show like law and order or csi?
Illegal to have gsr on u. The man can’t shoot a buddy’s gun in the wood like Ik tht not how it went down but they have to prove otherwise. Rubys head hurts how bout most viewers trying to understand how they justify using tht charge like tht with no evidence
I dont expect PD to take pictures of an active shootout or photos of people being robbed but to rely simply on GSR alone it doesnt prove criminal use but they could have articulated literally anything and would proven it because he was criminally using a firearm. To say PD is lazy and relying on mechanics etc is not fair. They are doing the best they can with a rework in the constitution
this is so funny how dumb people are on basic law , if something is there you still need to prove that he/she used it ore its was from him at that time span, like gunshot residue, DNA ect
Criminal /use/ of a firearm and they don't understand that no evidence of it being used or witnessed isn't a relevant argument. Being GSR positive and with casings nearby doesn't mean that person fired the gun. The amount of time wasted on this makes me wonder if they have brain rot.
Honestly cornwood would have loved to go against k. why ruby didn’t ask I don’t understand.. she didn’t even know the proper objections lol
I thought you needed to know how to actually RP to get into server? Not only does it seem like its hard for them to understand that the DoJ wants the PD to use a little more effort and do a little more policing and not just take'n easy street sayin all they need for a W is GSR.
And that leads me and helps with the econd part.. Knowing that the only way someone could get GSR is by them specifically shooting a gun, but it RL and in RP its possible to get it by other means.
So the DOJ making the PD get a little more evidence and not just goin off a mechanic that people cant change or control and is just black and white, no grey, will help some with that part.
Oh.. forgot about the icing on the cake.. loved when the cop was like.. the spot where the gun was most likely kept, was empty... TF you mean? He had a gun holster and that was empty? FFS.. next he was prolly about say its illegal to roll money, followed by telling a crim if there is anything that says it needs to be seized by police, I need to take it..
Seems like PD needs to get trained on how to RP properly and how to use game mechanics the correct way before they get trrained how to actual police work. Cause not knowing how to do one hurts when doing the other.
See the problem is the pd is so use to using mechanics to win cases they know that nothing is able to give you a positive gsr unlike real life hell a firework could make you positive is some cases
shocker PD doesn't know what Roleplay is and rely on game mechanics to tell them everything
Anyone with a brain knows that you need more then GSR to try and push that type of charge. This go back to lazy police work.
Bro PD is so slow. It's plain old English. Just get more than a GSR. Tryna convict on solely a mechanic is dog shit
gsr is not only from guns stop making it wird "only guns give gsr in the sever"
So she brought up that there were casings from ANOTHER GUN, and thinks that's proof mr K had also been shooting?
All the evidence was there in the reports and in the evidence but you didn't tell me it was there, even though I looked at it, so I ruled against you. Does that make sense?
Tell me do don't know how to do your job without telling me you clearly don't know how to do your job
Giving bar lisence to a cop, isnt that the kind of dumb shit max was doing
These cops are dumb af. GSR CAN have false positives. GSR CAN be transferred from one person to another. Stop letting mechanics do your job and actually do some investigation.
GSR on its own just proves that that person shot a gun. it doesn't say he shot at who, where he shot it, or what he was doing. Unless you can 100% identify him shooting, with the casing in the same area that he shot, you can't really charge him with criminal use for a firearm. Also a gun license just say that a person legally own a gun. it doesn't say that you can't shoot a gun.
doesnot even prove that Irl you can get it from fireworks. All it should be used is to support the rest of prosecution
@@silverspade8394 who is talking about fireworks?
@@Syn741 You were talking about the veracity of Gsr and i added the point that you can also get Gsr+ from fireworks and other sources so its not accurate at all aka your own point
@@silverspade8394 your point is literally irrelevant in the context of NP.
@@Syn741 Its something you can argue in Roleplay if there is no other evidence other than GSR so pretty relevant in context of Np
How do they not get it right away actual braindead activity. Just put some effort in beside relying on mechanics
I get pd here but GSR is just to infallible as it stands, all most shouldnt exists
Basically just do better
PD is so lazy and not that smart. Guess it’s close to real life.
They need to see him holding the gun or using the gun but yeah, have one cop take pictures Next time when gang war is happening ❤️
She not even saying that. The only time they mentioned him and casings was Ruby's opening statement
At most find the hun on him, but also it can be argued it was planted since there was a judge/lawyer that was found with a gun and gsr+. Or maybe that would be overcooking or it doesn’t stick because K is a convicted criminal? NP is so confusing at times
@@uascott I know that I'm saying that's what they need
4.0 is dogsht
I mean this seems like a case of K has been complaining so much and convicted so much that he got tossed a bone here. And Angel convicted him on terrorism and got mega hopped that stream and attacked that for something this small he got off. And he will probably get a few more from Angel. The only one I see standing firm at all times is Bailey. You saw him in the Soze case. He will literally take whoever is giving the evidence that makes the most sense. And most crims wont go to court unless the situation is completely fucked because they know they are guilty so why waste everyones time to get innocent in a trial because pd has to argue mechanics without it sounding that way. But some people cant take the RP L when the money means nothing to them and the time is like 2hr.
Nopixel has gone down hill i dont blame people for leaving so much fan boys for cg
Then stop watching. That would also help you stop crying all the time.
Leave
Lmao all your comments are defending np cops 😂😂
It's seriously a streamer problem these people are actually so dumb irl its not their character angel literally explains what they need to do and repeats herself and here's Frost: "so 30 cops all saw it and they're gsr positive so doesn't that mean it was them" Ruby: " I'm so confused" Angel repeats herself again, Ruby: "im just trying to figure out how to explain this to other cops" like what, maybe people need to start talking like a cave man to these people, cop need more the gsr, cop need pictures, or cop need one extra thing with gsr, cop not allowed to go "gsr positive? k job done 👏 no need for any other work"