"Flo....the 75 won't counterbalance again. Two times with this. TWO TIMES!!! We also have three cracked vision blocks.....Flo...Flo... FLO! It's a Florida tank Flo....you are legally required to repair all broken glass, no charge. Yeah ok...you'll cancel our policy? Business is business. One question? Have you ever had a panzertruppen roll through your Monday AM conference call? We're in 1941 form and still really good. The appraiser will be out tomorrow? You're the best!
7th of June 1944 GI: "WE GOT A TIGER! CALL THE WHOLE USAAF AND RAF! SHIT, CALL THE SOVIETS!" Panzer III M crew: "why are they retreating" Literally all but like 2 of Germany's tigers: **isn't even in normandy**
@@JohnsonTheSecond - Oh hardly that. The Tiger didn't scare US Forces that badly. They actually called everything they saw, that wasn't a squat brick called Tiger, a Panther instead. No seriously, look it up. I think the Chieftain left a note about it at his Chieftain's Corner about 10 years ago where US Forces in the ETO called every Panzer IV and Panther Panthers. No one knows way though.
@@FLJBeliever1776 Well, makes yourself be more impressive if you killed 100 Tigers and Panthers in 1944 instead of some comparably old Panzer IVs, StuGs or other "tanks" like self propelled guns.
@Chris_Wooden_Eye To be fair he has shown how much time and effort finding anything in the archives is, I imagine the same records for Germany would have been partially or totally lost durring the various bombings and assaults so an expert like Doyle is fantastic for this situation as he has tread that ground.
@@discordia013 The fact that he's able to do so at his age in such a snap of the fingers is great, I can only hope I can hold onto my brain matter when I hit that point in life!
..there sort of is, but albeit a brief one from another TH-camr called Sofilein, about The Weald Foundation's Jagdpanther with Mr. Doyle shot/taken at a TTM Tankfest.
C: "Hallo operator, get me a Maybach. Ja, ja. Mhhm. Ich want to speak about the warranty, ja ich will wait, dankeschön." M: "Maybach her, engineering department sprechen, how may I help dich? C: "Ich would like to claim the engine, it can't seem to start in our panzer!" M: "Did you tried to turn the keys to 'start' positionen?" C: " *KEYS?!* *DRIVER!* "
You know, that reminds me of a short story over on Fanfiction . net where Vadar has to call support services because his TIE Advance broke down in the middle of space. It also leads to him wanting to finally get Luke's help to kill the Emperor and take over the galaxy because of cheap the TIE line is.
"I'm sorry, the factory you are trying to reach has just been bombed by 1,000 RAF Halifaxes, and suffered 3 hits, moderately damaging the break room and gatehouse, and destroying a maintenance shed. Please call back in 10 minutes when they are back in service."
The detailed three parts on the Panzer IV was excellent. The addition of Mr. Doyle and his depth of knowledge gave us much greater comprehension of a tank that stayed operational for three decades.
@@azzazel225 Torsion bars don't even take up that much space. Just look at Panzer III which is essentially same size as Panzer IV but it has torsion bars. In case of Tiger and Tiger II, torsion bars take up around 120mm of space in height and bit more in Panther because of the dual torsion bar design.
Uncle Joe I mean it was nominally better than the low velocity 75, but once you get to the 76 it actually was switched to the 76 was nominally better than the 4s 75.
@@Senshikaji I started watching it on the WoT channel but I changed to the Chieftain's once I noticed. I'd rather give him the view and ad revenue than them.
@@MultiZirkon All they did was sponsor the video, which practically anyone could do. The Chieftain is the one who actually put most of the work in and has all the knowledge which is why he deserves the views and ad revenue.
sam8404 yes, and I’m sure they didn’t support his stay during his review of the tanks at all for his time. Jesus dude, you hate them or something? That’s pretty much standard when a third party is asked to do videos for a company to inform and give positive media.
I used to work with an Australian WW2 veteran who took part in the 2nd battle of El Alemain. One of the memories he was to take to his grave was the screams of wounded Germain tank crew trapped in a tank brewing up on fire. Due to the hazardous situation of amunition cooking off, there was nothing that could be earthly done to save these German soldiers, and their horrible fate was sealed. So German tanks caught fire are being hit equally as allied armoured vehicles and tanks. That is why the crew of Tiger 131 abandoned their damaged tank as the risk of further rounds hitting the vulnerable areas of the Tiger tank, causing it to burn, was very high.
Well as a former soldier I can say that I've never met anyone in service who thought there's such a thing as too much ammo :D If you have room to put it somewhere, you will :D
@@LeutnantJoker ...well Lt_Joker. Your arms get quite long dragging Carl Gustav ammo around, (at least if you do it a the manual says). ....But then again, ...I haven't been at war with it...
Not that they "expect" to fire it. But they know they damn well better have it in case they need it. It was rare for a tank to be in such heavy, endless combat as to use up the entire ammo load without reloads close to hand, But when you are out in the North African desert, or the steppes, and you are never sure just how long it'll be until the next time the supply trucks reach you, it's wise to have all the ammo and fuel and water and food you can carry. And if you're going to carry ammo, it might was well be in places were it can be reached, since it's not much good otherwise. But in normal combat, if the supply trains are working, no tank should ever have to use up all of the ammo. A tank without ammo isn't good for much, and it's vulnerable. And really, most encounters were short and sharp. They didn't spend hour upon hour driving around blasting stuff. That's not how combat works. It isn't WOT.
I've waited aeons for the Pz IV vid and I wasn't dissapointed. But I would like to know your final, overall opinion about it, like how you said the Pz III could be regarded as one of the best tanks of the early war period. So how does the Pz IV fair overall, compared to it's adversaries in your opinion?
Co nsidering it was still a viable combat vehicle in 1945 I woould say it was very good. They managed to upgrade it to stay in service throughout the entire second World War and remain combat efficent. Not many tanks can claim the same. And yes I know one of the reasons it stayed in active duty so long is the lack of industry to go full Panther for the Tanks units, but still, impressive.
The conversations were strained to me. Sofilein just lets Hilary Doyle talk as she has a smaller ego. Hilary Doyle is a treasure, like HT Lenton was a treasure on the Royal Navy of WW2. Doyle is around 74 in 2024, and when he passes, a true expect and knowledge will pass also.
Loved Hillary's input. He is just amazing. Loved it when track dimensions and other details were slipping off his tongue like singing a song. Thank you Mr Doyle!
There was a nickname for the Pzkw IV too: crews called it "Rotbart", inspired of a slogan for the razor blade "Rotbart extradünn" ("Redbeard extra thin") because the gun e.g. of the T 34/76 went straight through the armour.
@@ICCUWANSIUT "Barba" - barber, beard, hair. "Rossa" - rust, rouge, red. Ferrari Testarossa - "Redhead", named for the color of the paint on the engine head. Barbarossa = Redbeard. You are thinking of Blackbeard the pirate. There is also Bluebeard, of popular legend.
What I'd really like to see is David Fletcher with the Chieftain! Fletcher: "Well, yes it was rubbish, no way around it. but did serve a purpose I suppose." Or possibly replying to the Chieftain on ergonomics: Well there was a war on you know? It worked well enough. One can't expect creature comforts at such times."
@@genericfakename8197 The Soviet warranty was enforced by the political commissar at the production plant. It was a lifetime warranty, that is: if the part failed your lifetime was over.
Take your trash somewhere else. Soviets design expected things to break, and so the tank was designed in a way to allow the crew to just hope into a new tank while the other is scrapped or refited.
A German tank veteran, quoted in a book about the fighting around Tilly-Sur-Seilles in France in 1944, said that the Panzer IV was nicknamed the "mess tin" as it had the thinnest armour of the frontline German tanks and that enemy rounds could and did pass clean through. Not so for the Panther or Tiger. If, he said, a round penetrated, it usually ricochetted around inside and killed the crew.
Well that happens pretty much with any tank if the shell penetrates. The Panzer IV was decently armored for the time. 1944 is a pretty extreme time and especially in France there aren't exactly that many Tigers and Panther to begin with. In a 1:1 vs the Shermans the Panzer IV was still perfectly adequate most of the time.
I remember reading on the Eastern front that if a 152mm hit the Elefant the entire crew would die (from shock, or I don't know) and the tank would be reserviced.
@@LeutnantJoker 50 mm flat plate is a joke fuck. The only thing about the panzer iv that's better is the gun. None of that stuff matters in close quarters fighting of france.
@@nicholaspatton5590 - I highly doubt that. Only 90 or so Ferdinands were built and the dozen or so that was destroyed are usually by mines or hits on it's wheel tracks, after which the crew would then abandon and destroy the tank.
@@nicholaspatton5590 Russians were known to use 152mm HE rounds on German tanks. German tanks were tightly sealed (to ford rivers coz they were too heavy for most bridges) and the concussion from the 152mm rounds would kill the crew inside. Americans used a similar tactic with the 75mm Shermans, hit the enemy with enough HE and the Nazis inside would be finished. Dying from concussion like that is very unpleasant, although it's a fair end for a Nazi.
Very interesting series of videos about one tank- when i was a kid i built dinaramas involving American and German tanks firing at eachother- to be able to actually see the insides of these tanks is very interesting to me
Very interesting video. Changed some ideas of mine about the PzIV. First, when fully loaded with ammo and five men, it would be very cramped. A lot of internal fittings are missing in this vehicle. The loader and the funker had a very hard ride in any terrain because they have almost no space left. In the other hand, gunner and driver have plenty of space. This occurs because the engine and transmission in this tank are placed off to the right of the centerline, while the turret is placed offset to left a few inches, so the turret base can clear the transmission shaft. From outside, this is only curious, but the effect on the crew positions is much bigger than I've thought. Second, these turret doors and all vision ports could be great by the time the tank was designed, but from 1942 on would be letal to the crew if hit by almost any antitank gun. With 80 mm front armor in the hull front, it was well protected, but the 30 mm vertical side armor is poor, and has too many weak points also. This is more easily noted from inside the tank. I think the Stug III had a much better protection from the sides. Only a close observation from inside could show how the crew would feel in a tank. This video is thus very important for all people that want to know more about these vehicles. So thanks a lot for you both. PS: I missed a closer look at the engine compartment...
@@zafranorbian757 Yes, it had the same 30 mm side plates. But not that lot of weak spots, such as view ports and the turret side doors. The PzIV turret was somewhat inclined at the sides, about 12 degrees. But this is not enough to aford a better protection. Considering all aspects, in my opinion the Stug was better protected.
I saw part 3 coming out on wargaming channel but couldn't find it here. Turns out it's because the video is unlisted and only accessible through the playlist.
Wargaming wants to release the videos in andvance on theyre own channel since they pay for the videos, and you can get official early acces to them here if you are a Patreon ;) )
@@galtur5241 That's interesting. I watched this last night, most definitely not on Wargaming's channel (I've had my fill of WoT bu&*^%it). Not a patron either.
I just viewed it, and I'm definitely not a computer game player . I'm not even subscribed to the cheiftains channel. I am however 'friends' with Hilary so perhaps that is why?
To me, the most interesting fact that was just mentioned in passing is how short the gun intruded in the turret and held balanced by the vertical big spring on the loader side. You can see how short the block and shell chamber in every video scene. The Sherman guns and the 17 pdr took up a lot of room in their respective turrets and were engineering limit, but the Germans seem to have been successful with a highly capable 75mm long barrel gun in mid 1942, compared to the UK in mounting the 17 pdr in the Fireflies in early 1944, and the US 76mm in the Easy 8 in late 1944.
The script on the tach's green marking reads "Sparbereich", meaning (roughly) "fuel economy zone". Which might not be super interesting in and of itself, but I think it does underscore the fact that the Wehrmacht weren't exactly drowning in gasoline during the war.
About the warranty, I understand that the Jeep was the same thing. As a result Ford marked all their parts so they would not be held responsible for the failures of other manufacturers.
Nicholas, both you and Hilary simply must do more co-labs together... It is such a joy to watch the two of you interact and produce your pearls of knowledge... o_0
I love the Panzer 4. IMO its the German equiv of the US Sherman. If they'd originally designed it with a bigger gun, engine and some more armor it probably would have been the best tank of the war. I think it was hampered by its original design as a support tank though but like the US Sherman they kept finding ways to make it better and relevant thought the entire war.
@@LeutnantJoker now I whant to see a anime whit that scene also a scene where they task some poor new recrute whit finding the Tank key, Drop zone keys and blinker fluid and the recruiter somehow manage to find all 3. plus the key to there own resroted Panzer 4.
I would suspect if the key was only used to “unlock” a separate starter that once the war got going in ernest the keys got broken off in the ON position. They’d what we used to do with tractors and such with keys.
That gyrocompass thing. I have one broken unit at home. And AFAIK it comes from soviet T-72. One thing it is quite useful for is underwater driving. As drifting away from the right path could mean... well, never coming out of the river, and with all the currents and soft riverbed and seeing absolutely nothing... it is good to know what direction you are going.
@@obelic71 Nah, it was a very simple key, even the Bundeswehr used them of their truck way into the 1980's. If you lost the key you could easily start the engine with a smaller screwdriver. up.picr.de/20173805jo.jpg
Also, the Sherman Wet Storage moved the ammo from the sponsons to the floor (tween the turret basket and the actual floor). This change of position probably did more for crew survival than having water around the ammo. In fact due to leaks, a lot of crew just stopped putting water into the protective jackets around the ammo!! Finally, during the Desert Campaign, the British Tankers also "found" places to store extra ammo in the tank. Often to the detriment of the crew if the tank got penetrated!!! (Even if it was just slowing them down from getting out of the tank!)
The German troops nickname for the Panzer IV was the 'Sardinebusche' or 'Sardine Tin' in English. Considering it was spacious in comparison to the T-34 (and most soviet tanks) i feel sorry for Panzer IV crewmen who would be downgraded to a T-34 beutepanzer.
I didn't realize that the Syrian Pz. IVs received significant upgrades (though it's fairly obvious in hindsight). I do wonder how those compared with the late-war Pz. IVs in German use.
This was an absolute gem of a "mini-series" and always wanted more details on Panzer IV work horse that it was... I'm with Hilary about the Jagdpanther BTW... A nice house for a tank crew to live in along with a vociferous 88 that demands respect... What's not to like?
Some of the Syrian Pz IV came from Spain. Spain army bought 20 Pz IV H from Geman in 1943 They sold 17 to Syria in 1965, all them in running condition. By the way, the transmission was slighltly to the right of the tank to avoid the turret axis.
@@Cloudman572 the drive shaft runs from the engine in the back to the transmission in the front. Either the transmission or the turret must be slightly moved to the side to avoid colliding. In fact, I was wrong. I n the Pz IV is the turret the one moved to the side. This way the base junction doesn't touch the drive shaft.
Nick, I literally thought you said "A good noodle pizza." For several seconds, my mind was reeling from the Italianoception when you said it again and 'New York' was a bit more clearly annunciated.
Hi Chieftain You should hook up a LOT more with Hilliary Doyle - there's a natural chemistry between the two of you - lots of really good information delivered with a very warm manner
You both have a wonderful job. I would love to have that opportunity as I'm sure most fans of history would agree. World War two is a unique time in history where desperation leads to innovation on a global scale. Tanks, firearms, aircraft, and ships change so much so fast its really amazing.
I'd say the same thing happened as in WW2. the better trained crewmen won. And ironically the Israeli's were the army that copied Wehrmacht training the closest. So in terms of experience and tactics, the Sherman crew was probably the more "German" one. That's how history goes sometimes :D
Tiger support offers no guarantee _The attack collapsed as the Canadian tanks destroyed two Tiger tanks, two Panzer IVs and two self-propelled guns in Wittman's force, while British tank fire destroyed three other Tiger_
No loader's seat? Huh? Where does he sit when they are just driving around, or waiting in ambush? You can't just kneel or squat for hours on end. Maybe that's why they liked sitting in the doorway hanging out of the turret so much. Seems a strange thing to leave out, when it is so important and so easily included.
Brilliant, thank you! Just one doubt: I have seen in movies that, despite the tank was hit, some of the crew were able to escape while the vehicle was in flames. With such a narrow space inside, how did they manage to escape? What happens inside a tank when it receives a hit and it penetrates the armour?
Why don't the Panzer II, III or IV have other names like the V (Panther), and VI (Tigers)? Tho, I do think I have heard the Panzer II called the Linx, before.
The Luchs (Linx) specifically describes the Pz. II Ausf. L. The Cat naming convention only kinda started with the beginning of the devellopment of what would become the tiger. Porsche named his first prototype Leopard, and after that the idea of naming tanks after cats stuck.
Tommy Cooker was slang for any tank in the British Desert/African Campaign.... Something about No A/C in the Sahara Desert in late Spring, Summer, and early Fall!
When you arrive back to home, angrily slam the keys of your Pz. IV onto the table and dial the number of the insurance company...
LOL
"Flo....the 75 won't counterbalance again. Two times with this. TWO TIMES!!! We also have three cracked vision blocks.....Flo...Flo...
FLO! It's a Florida tank Flo....you are legally required to repair all broken glass, no charge.
Yeah ok...you'll cancel our policy? Business is business. One question? Have you ever had a panzertruppen roll through your Monday AM conference call? We're in 1941 form and still really good.
The appraiser will be out tomorrow? You're the best!
Didn't have insurance. They were all still under warranty by the end of war, and they didn't reimburse for the damage they caused.
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Assuming you haven’t lost the keys …
Most used nickname for the Panzer 4.
Tiger!
Soldier 1 : I saw german tanks
Soldier 2 : what kind?
Soldier 1 : eh.... panzer tank
Soldier 2 : ಠ_ಠ
i had the same thought when he mentioned the nicknames XD
7th of June 1944
GI: "WE GOT A TIGER! CALL THE WHOLE USAAF AND RAF! SHIT, CALL THE SOVIETS!"
Panzer III M crew: "why are they retreating"
Literally all but like 2 of Germany's tigers: **isn't even in normandy**
@@JohnsonTheSecond - Oh hardly that. The Tiger didn't scare US Forces that badly. They actually called everything they saw, that wasn't a squat brick called Tiger, a Panther instead.
No seriously, look it up. I think the Chieftain left a note about it at his Chieftain's Corner about 10 years ago where US Forces in the ETO called every Panzer IV and Panther Panthers. No one knows way though.
@@FLJBeliever1776 Well, makes yourself be more impressive if you killed 100 Tigers and Panthers in 1944 instead of some comparably old Panzer IVs, StuGs or other "tanks" like self propelled guns.
Hilary Doyle on the Jagdpanther: “I just think they’re neat.”
That should be the next episode
@Chris_Wooden_Eye To be fair he has shown how much time and effort finding anything in the archives is, I imagine the same records for Germany would have been partially or totally lost durring the various bombings and assaults so an expert like Doyle is fantastic for this situation as he has tread that ground.
@@phantomkitsunezero And how mad is it that Doyle can tell you the exact dimensions on the PzIV escape hatches at the drop of a hat?
More like "I just think its a nice one, plus my friend was in one for a few weeks" . I had to listen again but i was sure he never said neat hehe.
@@discordia013 The fact that he's able to do so at his age in such a snap of the fingers is great, I can only hope I can hold onto my brain matter when I hit that point in life!
I would LOVE to see an inside the hatch with Hilary Doyle on a Jagdpanther!
..there sort of is, but albeit a brief one from another TH-camr called Sofilein, about The Weald Foundation's Jagdpanther with Mr. Doyle shot/taken at a TTM Tankfest.
th-cam.com/video/wwaCkaxw7So/w-d-xo.html
*Oh bugger, I've lost the key to the tank...and it's on fire*
The key, or the tank?
Forget the key, Hinkel, get out of there!
C: "Hallo operator, get me a Maybach.
Ja, ja. Mhhm. Ich want to speak about the warranty, ja ich will wait, dankeschön."
M: "Maybach her, engineering department sprechen, how may I help dich?
C: "Ich would like to claim the engine, it can't seem to start in our panzer!"
M: "Did you tried to turn the keys to 'start' positionen?"
C: " *KEYS?!* *DRIVER!* "
You know, that reminds me of a short story over on Fanfiction . net where Vadar has to call support services because his TIE Advance broke down in the middle of space.
It also leads to him wanting to finally get Luke's help to kill the Emperor and take over the galaxy because of cheap the TIE line is.
@@FLJBeliever1776 Link?
"I'm sorry, the factory you are trying to reach has just been bombed by 1,000 RAF Halifaxes, and suffered 3 hits, moderately damaging the break room and gatehouse, and destroying a maintenance shed. Please call back in 10 minutes when they are back in service."
@@facubeitches1144 Squire approves!
The detailed three parts on the Panzer IV was excellent. The addition of Mr. Doyle and his depth of knowledge gave us much greater comprehension of a tank that stayed operational for three decades.
man, for such a tank of its size, it's actually pretty roomy inside.
Like they said, no torsion bars.
The sloping is also minimal on this baby
@@azzazel225 Torsion bars don't even take up that much space. Just look at Panzer III which is essentially same size as Panzer IV but it has torsion bars.
In case of Tiger and Tiger II, torsion bars take up around 120mm of space in height and bit more in Panther because of the dual torsion bar design.
Uncle Joe I mean it was nominally better than the low velocity 75, but once you get to the 76 it actually was switched to the 76 was nominally better than the 4s 75.
From what I understand, the German tanks were known for being pretty roomy. The Germans actually cared about crew comfort.
Missed opportunity: a Chieftain vs. Hilary competition "OMG, the tank is on fire!" test. Slowest one out through the hatch buys the other one dinner.
@@Senshikaji I started watching it on the WoT channel but I changed to the Chieftain's once I noticed. I'd rather give him the view and ad revenue than them.
@@sam8404 Well, WoT have funded The Chieftain some, so we should give them a little cred from time to time ;-)
@@MultiZirkon All they did was sponsor the video, which practically anyone could do. The Chieftain is the one who actually put most of the work in and has all the knowledge which is why he deserves the views and ad revenue.
@@Senshikaji I would love to see a comparison of the Sherman vs the PzIV.
sam8404 yes, and I’m sure they didn’t support his stay during his review of the tanks at all for his time. Jesus dude, you hate them or something? That’s pretty much standard when a third party is asked to do videos for a company to inform and give positive media.
I used to work with an Australian WW2 veteran who took part in the 2nd battle of El Alemain. One of the memories he was to take to his grave was the screams of wounded Germain tank crew trapped in a tank brewing up on fire. Due to the hazardous situation of amunition cooking off, there was nothing that could be earthly done to save these German soldiers, and their horrible fate was sealed. So German tanks caught fire are being hit equally as allied armoured vehicles and tanks. That is why the crew of Tiger 131 abandoned their damaged tank as the risk of further rounds hitting the vulnerable areas of the Tiger tank, causing it to burn, was very high.
Hope you do more with Hilary, well done
Wow! Hilary is a real expert on German armoured vehicles. Incredible level of knowledge! Please make more videos with him featuring!
It’s really neat to see Doyle taking about the thing he knows best. A true expert that can answer any off the wall questions about the tank.
One thing to deduce from the crews finding ever new ways to stow ammo.
They expect to fire every last round.
Well as a former soldier I can say that I've never met anyone in service who thought there's such a thing as too much ammo :D If you have room to put it somewhere, you will :D
The only times when you have too much ammo is when your drowning or on fire.
Also, who knows when the next resupply will happens Vs the expected will resupply every night.
@@LeutnantJoker ...well Lt_Joker. Your arms get quite long dragging Carl Gustav ammo around, (at least if you do it a the manual says). ....But then again, ...I haven't been at war with it...
Not that they "expect" to fire it. But they know they damn well better have it in case they need it. It was rare for a tank to be in such heavy, endless combat as to use up the entire ammo load without reloads close to hand, But when you are out in the North African desert, or the steppes, and you are never sure just how long it'll be until the next time the supply trucks reach you, it's wise to have all the ammo and fuel and water and food you can carry. And if you're going to carry ammo, it might was well be in places were it can be reached, since it's not much good otherwise.
But in normal combat, if the supply trains are working, no tank should ever have to use up all of the ammo. A tank without ammo isn't good for much, and it's vulnerable. And really, most encounters were short and sharp. They didn't spend hour upon hour driving around blasting stuff. That's not how combat works. It isn't WOT.
Mr. Doyle thank you for taking the time to share your experience and knowledge with us.
Seeing the chieftain have someone else to bounce off of makes this particular video such a joy. Great work.
I've waited aeons for the Pz IV vid and I wasn't dissapointed. But I would like to know your final, overall opinion about it, like how you said the Pz III could be regarded as one of the best tanks of the early war period. So how does the Pz IV fair overall, compared to it's adversaries in your opinion?
Co nsidering it was still a viable combat vehicle in 1945 I woould say it was very good. They managed to upgrade it to stay in service throughout the entire second World War and remain combat efficent. Not many tanks can claim the same.
And yes I know one of the reasons it stayed in active duty so long is the lack of industry to go full Panther for the Tanks units, but still, impressive.
This was a great series with our Chieftain and Hilary Doyle teaming up! Good show!
The conversations were strained to me. Sofilein just lets Hilary Doyle talk as she has a smaller ego. Hilary Doyle is a treasure, like HT Lenton was a treasure on the Royal Navy of WW2. Doyle is around 74 in 2024, and when he passes, a true expect and knowledge will pass also.
Lovely serie, nice dialog and i could listen for hours of just their chat.
The scope of Hilary Doyle's knowledge is amazing - His Mum on Craggy island must be very proud 😆
_"My son works with them 'ere tank contraptions... 'orrid noisy things I don't know how he does it"_
Can we keep Mr. Doyle?
how to disable german tanks, switch the tags on the keys.
Lol
Could be a Hogan’s Heroes episode 😂
Some german armoured vehicles still use key ignition, usually the key is kept in the ignition at all times to avoid losing it.
Loved Hillary's input. He is just amazing. Loved it when track dimensions and other details were slipping off his tongue like singing a song. Thank you Mr Doyle!
There was a nickname for the Pzkw IV too: crews called it "Rotbart", inspired of a slogan for the razor blade "Rotbart extradünn" ("Redbeard extra thin") because the gun e.g. of the T 34/76 went straight through the armour.
Redbeard? As in Barbarossa?
Jeremy A that’s Blackbeard.
@@ICCUWANSIUT Blackbeard would be "Barbanera".
I would have called Barbarossa, Ragnarok instead
@@ICCUWANSIUT "Barba" - barber, beard, hair. "Rossa" - rust, rouge, red. Ferrari Testarossa - "Redhead", named for the color of the paint on the engine head. Barbarossa = Redbeard. You are thinking of Blackbeard the pirate. There is also Bluebeard, of popular legend.
Hilary Doyle: love him or hate him, he ain't sayin nothin but straight facts
What I'd really like to see is David Fletcher with the Chieftain! Fletcher: "Well, yes it was rubbish, no way around it. but did serve a purpose I suppose." Or possibly replying to the Chieftain on ergonomics: Well there was a war on you know? It worked well enough. One can't expect creature comforts at such times."
Kind of curious now about how many tanks used ignition keys.
I'm curious about how many countries had warranties on their tank parts. I can't imagine the Soviets or Brits doing that
@@genericfakename8197 The Soviet warranty was enforced by the political commissar at the production plant. It was a lifetime warranty, that is: if the part failed your lifetime was over.
Take your trash somewhere else. Soviets design expected things to break, and so the tank was designed in a way to allow the crew to just hope into a new tank while the other is scrapped or refited.
@@eagletanker it was a joke, that's why we sent him to gulag.
@@eagletanker "just hope into a new tank"
Sorry, this is Stalinist Russia, not enough hope to spare.
I used to read Hilary Doyle's column in the Airfix magazine in the UK.
A German tank veteran, quoted in a book about the fighting around Tilly-Sur-Seilles in France in 1944, said that the Panzer IV was nicknamed the "mess tin" as it had the thinnest armour of the frontline German tanks and that enemy rounds could and did pass clean through. Not so for the Panther or Tiger. If, he said, a round penetrated, it usually ricochetted around inside and killed the crew.
Well that happens pretty much with any tank if the shell penetrates. The Panzer IV was decently armored for the time. 1944 is a pretty extreme time and especially in France there aren't exactly that many Tigers and Panther to begin with. In a 1:1 vs the Shermans the Panzer IV was still perfectly adequate most of the time.
I remember reading on the Eastern front that if a 152mm hit the Elefant the entire crew would die (from shock, or I don't know) and the tank would be reserviced.
@@LeutnantJoker 50 mm flat plate is a joke fuck. The only thing about the panzer iv that's better is the gun. None of that stuff matters in close quarters fighting of france.
@@nicholaspatton5590 - I highly doubt that. Only 90 or so Ferdinands were built and the dozen or so that was destroyed are usually by mines or hits on it's wheel tracks, after which the crew would then abandon and destroy the tank.
@@nicholaspatton5590 Russians were known to use 152mm HE rounds on German tanks. German tanks were tightly sealed (to ford rivers coz they were too heavy for most bridges) and the concussion from the 152mm rounds would kill the crew inside. Americans used a similar tactic with the 75mm Shermans, hit the enemy with enough HE and the Nazis inside would be finished. Dying from concussion like that is very unpleasant, although it's a fair end for a Nazi.
Very interesting series of videos about one tank- when i was a kid i built dinaramas involving American and German tanks firing at eachother- to be able to actually see the insides of these tanks is very interesting to me
Mr. Doyle was fantastic. I really enjoyed his commentary and interaction with the Chieftain.
Very interesting video. Changed some ideas of mine about the PzIV. First, when fully loaded with ammo and five men, it would be very cramped. A lot of internal fittings are missing in this vehicle. The loader and the funker had a very hard ride in any terrain because they have almost no space left. In the other hand, gunner and driver have plenty of space. This occurs because the engine and transmission in this tank are placed off to the right of the centerline, while the turret is placed offset to left a few inches, so the turret base can clear the transmission shaft. From outside, this is only curious, but the effect on the crew positions is much bigger than I've thought. Second, these turret doors and all vision ports could be great by the time the tank was designed, but from 1942 on would be letal to the crew if hit by almost any antitank gun. With 80 mm front armor in the hull front, it was well protected, but the 30 mm vertical side armor is poor, and has too many weak points also. This is more easily noted from inside the tank. I think the Stug III had a much better protection from the sides. Only a close observation from inside could show how the crew would feel in a tank. This video is thus very important for all people that want to know more about these vehicles. So thanks a lot for you both. PS: I missed a closer look at the engine compartment...
the Stug also had 30mm sidearmour.
@@zafranorbian757 Yes, it had the same 30 mm side plates. But not that lot of weak spots, such as view ports and the turret side doors. The PzIV turret was somewhat inclined at the sides, about 12 degrees. But this is not enough to aford a better protection. Considering all aspects, in my opinion the Stug was better protected.
I saw part 3 coming out on wargaming channel but couldn't find it here. Turns out it's because the video is unlisted and only accessible through the playlist.
Wargaming wants to release the videos in andvance on theyre own channel since they pay for the videos, and you can get official early acces to them here if you are a Patreon ;) )
@@galtur5241 That's interesting. I watched this last night, most definitely not on Wargaming's channel (I've had my fill of WoT bu&*^%it). Not a patron either.
@@coreys2686 like madman_24 said you can watch it over the watchlist (or if you have the link)
@@galtur5241 Even if its just a notification for subscribers? Huh.
I just viewed it,
and I'm definitely not a computer game player .
I'm not even subscribed to the cheiftains channel.
I am however 'friends' with Hilary so perhaps that is why?
No "oh bugger the tank's on fire"? Sad panda. But a good episode. Now we need one with David Fletcher, I bet that would be hillarious.
Oh bugger the keys are missing!
You know what "Sad Panda" comes from, right? Might not want to be too obvious about that.
Two Irish men sitting in a German tank, talking about New York pizza...
Love it!
Hillary is a great addition. We want to see him more often you two work well together and he is an amazing repository of detail.
To me, the most interesting fact that was just mentioned in passing is how short the gun intruded in the turret and held balanced by the vertical big spring on the loader side. You can see how short the block and shell chamber in every video scene. The Sherman guns and the 17 pdr took up a lot of room in their respective turrets and were engineering limit, but the Germans seem to have been successful with a highly capable 75mm long barrel gun in mid 1942, compared to the UK in mounting the 17 pdr in the Fireflies in early 1944, and the US 76mm in the Easy 8 in late 1944.
You should do the "oh bugger, my tank is on fire test".
I'm loving the back and forth between Hillary Doyle and Nicholas. More of these episodes would be amazing!
James Bond would have been pissed if he tried to use a P4 instead of the T-72, when finding out he did not have the (right) key for the tank.^^
Use the bumper... that's what it's for!
The script on the tach's green marking reads "Sparbereich", meaning (roughly) "fuel economy zone". Which might not be super interesting in and of itself, but I think it does underscore the fact that the Wehrmacht weren't exactly drowning in gasoline during the war.
About the warranty, I understand that the Jeep was the same thing. As a result Ford marked all their parts so they would not be held responsible for the failures of other manufacturers.
The Chieftain, Hilary Doyle and the Panzermuseum Münster, a perfect combination! Thanks a lot.
Nicholas, both you and Hilary simply must do more co-labs together... It is such a joy to watch the two of you interact and produce your pearls of knowledge... o_0
I love the Panzer 4. IMO its the German equiv of the US Sherman. If they'd originally designed it with a bigger gun, engine and some more armor it probably would have been the best tank of the war. I think it was hampered by its original design as a support tank though but like the US Sherman they kept finding ways to make it better and relevant thought the entire war.
if it was designed with a bigger gun, engine and some more armor it would have been another tank entirely !!! ..... they called it the panther !!
Amazing parallel with the F35.
Can't start Panzer, lost key. Can't fly jet, it won't let the pilot login.
Imagine writing a letter to your wife at home "honey, can you send me the spare keys to my Panzer? They're in the bedroom cabinet"
@@LeutnantJoker now I whant to see a anime whit that scene also a scene where they task some poor new recrute whit finding the Tank key, Drop zone keys and blinker fluid and the recruiter somehow manage to find all 3. plus the key to there own resroted Panzer 4.
@@Zack_Wester much anticipated
@@Zack_Wester And a five-pound can of relative bearing grease.
I would suspect if the key was only used to “unlock” a separate starter that once the war got going in ernest the keys got broken off in the ON position. They’d what we used to do with tractors and such with keys.
Amazing information about Germany’s production during the war from Mr. Doyle. Thanks!
Thank you alot Nicolas and Hilary for such a detailed look onto and into my favorite tank of all times.
Love the banter between Nick and Hillary in this vlog.
I would suspect that the commander might give the driver a field demotion if he lost the key. Probably involving a Luger. ;)
One would hope they gave a key to every crewman. Kinda embarrassing to lose a tank over a lost key.
Great mini-series on an awesome tank. Please keep making these, and take Mr. Doyle with you to every future German vehicle!
That gyrocompass thing. I have one broken unit at home. And AFAIK it comes from soviet T-72.
One thing it is quite useful for is underwater driving. As drifting away from the right path could mean... well, never coming out of the river, and with all the currents and soft riverbed and seeing absolutely nothing... it is good to know what direction you are going.
Lord - Imagine being the nasty one that lost the key.
2 choices
A hotwire the ignition before the rest of the crew finds out
B get shot for losing the key
@@obelic71 Nah, it was a very simple key, even the Bundeswehr used them of their truck way into the 1980's. If you lost the key you could easily start the engine with a smaller screwdriver.
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WOW, the poor driver literally had to lean on live rounds...
Well any round wants to set those off would'a had to go through him first....hey, wait a second!
You want something to lean on or not?
Also, the Sherman Wet Storage moved the ammo from the sponsons to the floor (tween the turret basket and the actual floor). This change of position probably did more for crew survival than having water around the ammo. In fact due to leaks, a lot of crew just stopped putting water into the protective jackets around the ammo!!
Finally, during the Desert Campaign, the British Tankers also "found" places to store extra ammo in the tank. Often to the detriment of the crew if the tank got penetrated!!! (Even if it was just slowing them down from getting out of the tank!)
The gyro compass is a pretty good idea. Makes a lot of sense. Must have been a pretty great tank if it had 30 years service life.
I would say quite average in that category. T72 is almost 50 years and still used by maybe 1/3 if not more of the world.
That last PzkwIV destroyed in combat was by a Sherman in 1967! Wow, talk about holding a grudge.
Brilliant series. Need more Hilary.
Speaking of favourites, mine is the Panzer IV/70. Would love a video about those one day.
Long awaited and much appreciated. Thanks for posting, Major Nick!
Clearly, Chieftain, the reason you feel so cramped in the funker's position is because you're not a redheaded Japanese schoolgirl. :D
GIRLS UND PANZER WOULD LIKE TO KNOW YOUR LOCATION
The German troops nickname for the Panzer IV was the 'Sardinebusche' or 'Sardine Tin' in English. Considering it was spacious in comparison to the T-34 (and most soviet tanks) i feel sorry for Panzer IV crewmen who would be downgraded to a T-34 beutepanzer.
Great to watch the chemistry between these two
I'm sure they'd love to be buttoned-up in a turret together for long periods
I didn't realize that the Syrian Pz. IVs received significant upgrades (though it's fairly obvious in hindsight). I do wonder how those compared with the late-war Pz. IVs in German use.
Dshk on commanders hatch is a defin+
The "start" and "Aus" on the dashboard are written in a Germanic gothic font. Fabulous. (Superb team-up BTW)
Hilary has a hilarious knowledge, adding a lot of interesting detalis and fact.
Well of course there were warranties on tanks. Except for the Bradley Fighting thing.
This was an absolute gem of a "mini-series" and always wanted more details on Panzer IV work horse that it was... I'm with Hilary about the Jagdpanther BTW... A nice house for a tank crew to live in along with a vociferous 88 that demands respect... What's not to like?
The jagdpanther was considered one of the most successful design of the war, and that is why the Swede's developed the S tank after the war.
I concur!
@@mrzoinky5999 yes, indeed.
In the middle of downloading WoT as you suggested.
It’s been downloading now for 24 hours and is currently at 13%.
Jeez! It’s slower than a Panzer I.
Some of the Syrian Pz IV came from Spain.
Spain army bought 20 Pz IV H from Geman in 1943
They sold 17 to Syria in 1965, all them in running condition.
By the way, the transmission was slighltly to the right of the tank to avoid the turret axis.
Why does the turret axis matter? Genuinly interested.
@@Cloudman572 the drive shaft runs from the engine in the back to the transmission in the front. Either the transmission or the turret must be slightly moved to the side to avoid colliding. In fact, I was wrong. I n the Pz IV is the turret the one moved to the side. This way the base junction doesn't touch the drive shaft.
@@jmb5030 But with the turret floor/basket that rotates and which hangs from the turret, what difference does it make where the transmission goes?
Nick, I literally thought you said "A good noodle pizza." For several seconds, my mind was reeling from the Italianoception when you said it again and 'New York' was a bit more clearly annunciated.
good ol noodle pizza, mmmm good.
Hi Chieftain You should hook up a LOT more with Hilliary Doyle - there's a natural chemistry between the two of you - lots of really good information delivered with a very warm manner
The panzer IV is one of my favourites, a workhorse of the panzer Division's and a classic tank design.
Love to see a 3 way whisky soaked debate between Hilary, David Fletcher and David Fletcher's Moustache.
How much you want to bet 'damage from enemy fire' is not covered in that warranty?
Thank you for this series! Really informative and entertaining.
Jagdpanther, great taste. Love the shape of that thing.
This was a good episode, lots of banter.
You both have a wonderful job. I would love to have that opportunity as I'm sure most fans of history would agree. World War two is a unique time in history where desperation leads to innovation on a global scale. Tanks, firearms, aircraft, and ships change so much so fast its really amazing.
Ya gotta do more of these with H.D.!
So, the Panzer vs Sherman duel lasted for a long time, but the Shermy won in the end. I guess, the Panzer didn't get Tiger support in '67 :D
I'd say the same thing happened as in WW2. the better trained crewmen won. And ironically the Israeli's were the army that copied Wehrmacht training the closest. So in terms of experience and tactics, the Sherman crew was probably the more "German" one. That's how history goes sometimes :D
Tiger support offers no guarantee _The attack collapsed as the Canadian tanks destroyed two Tiger tanks, two Panzer IVs and two self-propelled guns in Wittman's force, while British tank fire destroyed three other Tiger_
I'm really glad to see you two having fun!
Seems like a more user friendly tank than the Panther and quite a small target judging by the closing footage!
No loader's seat? Huh? Where does he sit when they are just driving around, or waiting in ambush? You can't just kneel or squat for hours on end. Maybe that's why they liked sitting in the doorway hanging out of the turret so much. Seems a strange thing to leave out, when it is so important and so easily included.
Great vid! Were the side crew doors a weak point? Cheers!
Outstanding video and presentation.
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Brilliant, thank you! Just one doubt: I have seen in movies that, despite the tank was hit, some of the crew were able to escape while the vehicle was in flames. With such a narrow space inside, how did they manage to escape? What happens inside a tank when it receives a hit and it penetrates the armour?
Wasn't familiar with Mr. Doyle and his work.
His participation in these videos was a treat!.
I'd like to see an inside the hatch , on that half track next to the panzer 4 , thats near the end of the video.
great duo the 2 of you..
if you get the opportunity to "review" tanks with more operatives plz do em
Hi, In Siria there was spanish,s panzer IV and stugs III. Regards.
Did the bloke with you feature in a certain father Ted episode Panzer drivers. Great bunch of lads .
Hilary Doyle is amazing. Wouldn't it be fun to have a few pints with him at his favorite pub and just let him lecture about German tanks.
Ooh I'd love to see an Inside the Hatch of the Jagdpanther!
Why don't the Panzer II, III or IV have other names like the V (Panther), and VI (Tigers)? Tho, I do think I have heard the Panzer II called the Linx, before.
The Luchs (Linx) specifically describes the Pz. II Ausf. L.
The Cat naming convention only kinda started with the beginning of the devellopment of what would become the tiger.
Porsche named his first prototype Leopard, and after that the idea of naming tanks after cats stuck.
Tommy Cooker was slang for any tank in the British Desert/African Campaign.... Something about No A/C in the Sahara Desert in late Spring, Summer, and early Fall!
Can you do more videos with Hilary please?
500mm = 19.685 inches, so a large pizza would be a fair approximation.
That's a family pizza lol