@Girl102 Cezanne's art is more analytical of composition than paint subsumed into beauty.This thus begins the road to Duchamp.This type of analysis gives us modernism,which is a physical-fact of culture.But,walking around any contemporary American City,Gothic revival churches stand.These buildings utilize beauty to captivate the feelings through moods & stained glass.Co-existing with Duchamp these buildings have functional toilets & urinals.Duchamp is about utility-contemplated as part ofLife.
with every new generation of artists, the whole genre will be reinvented yet again - good old fashioned talent and craftsmanship will always win out it in the end......
@tlaniganschmidt Thanks. I love your comment and agree with your corrections except for one. If his art is open to so many interpretations, how can it be free of irony?
happy birthday mr marcel duchamp a day late, industry certainly provides necessities for certain however what they do to their own is altogether another question that requires further research from my perspective
@tlaniganschmidt In my view, you have about half of it right. The other side of the coin of turning ordinary things into art, was to regard art as something rather ordinary in itself. There is this leveling effect between the artificial and the natural. The nexus point between those two worlds is the Human Being. Duchamp situates humanity on this precipice. Ironically, this overcomes the leveling effect --- we behold the extraordinary within the ordinary.
@nobodady1 a better way for me to say,is that for me,there is nothing ironic in his Art.But in truth Duchamp is open to ironic interpretations.The problem i have is when saying his Art is ironic just becomes a way to get an"A" on the ArtWorld entranceExam.The enormously rich complexity of Duchamp is(still at this point) a much needed counterpoint to the in-rush of techno-culture.Contemplative situations & Objects abound,but he focuses on particular situational-contemplations appTechno
@vassiliscompo No. It's because when the focus shifts to being on the craft, art stagnates and regurgitation eventually becomes the order of the day. Sure, we may get a period where we get some "prettier" art, but what in the hell is that worth? The deepest worth of art is art as a vehicle of exploration of the human condition. The time of artist as cabinetmaker is, or at least should be, over. Art has grown so far beyond that. There is no value in recession.
Loplop : Max Ernst ? Marcel Duchamp est Le Grand Marchand du Sel du XXe siècle. Sans doute l'artiste le plus éminent de l'histoire de l'art, sa pénétration intellectuelle est sans commune mesure, c'est à se demander s'il n'a pas voyagé dans le futur pour y imposer sa vision de l'art. En tout cas avec "Etant Donnés", œuvre posthume, il a réussi à dépasser avec certitude, génie et Teeny, les frontières de la mort avec instantanéité. 9 mois après sa mort physique, il renaissait spirituellement par le biais d'une des œuvres les plus influentes du XXe siècle. Son emprise n'a pas fini d'exercer son pouvoir au XXIe siècle. En effet, au delà de l'Art, les 2 trous dans la porte, mettant le regardeur en position de voyeur, n'étaient rien d'autre que les prémices de ce qu'allait devenir l'Art ou les premiers fruits de grand n'importe quoi.
@Girl102Pixie Perhaps Duchamp and his followers were basically critics -- of art and of civilization. But their critiques were themselves acts of creation -- hence art of a type. Critiques Concrete?
@Girl102Pixie Why should one regard ordinary life as "base?" And why should one place art on a pedestal above life? I think what Duchamp questions is the notion that art improves ordinary life --- in that Bourgeoise way of dignifying our walls and public spaces with decor of all kinds. If we want to elevate the ordinary, we need not to escape it or decorate it, but to see life in a new way -- a way that is beyond our prejudices --- and our tastes. Well, this is my understanding.
@Girl102Pixie I believe Duchamp deserves to be criticized in an authentic way --- that is, by those who have some notion of what he was up to. Ideals and beauty and importance and art: for him these were always questions to ask, rather than answers to promote. He asked the question, is there a difference between aesthetics and taste? If they are the same thing, that presents one kind of problem. If they are separate things, a whole different problem. What is your problem?
Dada was essentially about ethics and true morals, not totally nihilism. At heart Duchamp, as with Hugo Ball, father of Dada, was trying to enlighten. Try search London Dada..
all it is is Transubstatiation: aka theRomaan-Catholic belief that when the priest says "this is my Body" & this is my blood" bread & wine become(literally) Christ's body & blood through the "power" of the priest,to the believer,it looks just-like bread & wine but is now a body & blood. all Duchamp did was to secularize-Transubstantiation,turning the "ART-WORLD" into a Faith-based-community.He is a public-relations genius & that is much of the 20th century.
Yes, Duchamp is indeed one of the most influential artists of all time. He showed a school of other largely talentless "artists" how to make large sums of money with very little effort.
On this days ART is Paint. If I make a piece of jewellery from a string of wire, that is not see as ART ! Why is that ?? Why people pay 1000£ for some paint and they do not give value for a piece of ART that come from the hands of a Craft man ? OH ! I know !! Crafts are not ART, Paint is ART... OR Do the Artists need to die to have some value in the ART he left ?? I think this all have to do with Elitism. DaDa-Project
I really liked his quote "not everyone is an artist but everyone is a fucking critic" so here I am at 1 am
i love you marcel you changed my life.
Thank you so much for this, even.
I wish someone would subtitle the french part.
13 years later still nothing?!?!?!?
GENIUS!!!
eine faszinierende Persönlichkeit... und seine Haut und seine Hautstruktur...
me too. it changed everything.
He would probably love to hear you say this!
@Girl102 Cezanne's art is more analytical of composition than paint subsumed into beauty.This thus begins the road to Duchamp.This type of analysis gives us modernism,which is a physical-fact of culture.But,walking around any contemporary American City,Gothic revival churches stand.These buildings utilize beauty to captivate the feelings through moods & stained glass.Co-existing with Duchamp these buildings have functional toilets & urinals.Duchamp is about utility-contemplated as part ofLife.
no no I was responding to someone! Duchamp is high on my list of most influential artists of all time!
with every new generation of artists, the whole genre will be reinvented yet again - good old fashioned talent and craftsmanship will always win out it in the end......
To me Duchamp is a work of art in his own terms because I am indifferent to him.
@tlaniganschmidt Thanks. I love your comment and agree with your corrections except for one. If his art is open to so many interpretations, how can it be free of irony?
happy birthday mr marcel duchamp a day late, industry certainly provides necessities for certain however what they do to their own is altogether another question that requires further research from my perspective
in fact you are right
dope
Subtitles, Please...
@fissionchips223 Je suis d'accord!
genius
@tlaniganschmidt In my view, you have about half of it right. The other side of the coin of turning ordinary things into art, was to regard art as something rather ordinary in itself. There is this leveling effect between the artificial and the natural. The nexus point between those two worlds is the Human Being. Duchamp situates humanity on this precipice. Ironically, this overcomes the leveling effect --- we behold the extraordinary within the ordinary.
Marcel Duchamp is the most important artist of the xx century, no question about it.
genius gut!! or ever
Why is he so cool?
@tlaniganschmidt hes a commercial, or a magazine cover, a supermodel something like that or a bumper sticker
@nobodady1 a better way for me to say,is that for me,there is nothing ironic in his Art.But in truth Duchamp is open to ironic interpretations.The problem i have is when saying his Art is ironic just becomes a way to get an"A" on the ArtWorld entranceExam.The enormously rich complexity of Duchamp is(still at this point) a much needed counterpoint to the in-rush of techno-culture.Contemplative situations & Objects abound,but he focuses on particular situational-contemplations appTechno
confuso e inexplicable para entender en latinoamerica.
@vassiliscompo No. It's because when the focus shifts to being on the craft, art stagnates and regurgitation eventually becomes the order of the day. Sure, we may get a period where we get some "prettier" art, but what in the hell is that worth? The deepest worth of art is art as a vehicle of exploration of the human condition. The time of artist as cabinetmaker is, or at least should be, over. Art has grown so far beyond that. There is no value in recession.
That's such an ironic statement.
Loplop : Max Ernst ?
Marcel Duchamp est Le Grand Marchand du Sel du XXe siècle.
Sans doute l'artiste le plus éminent de l'histoire de l'art, sa pénétration intellectuelle est sans commune mesure, c'est à se demander s'il n'a pas voyagé dans le futur pour y imposer sa vision de l'art. En tout cas avec "Etant Donnés", œuvre posthume, il a réussi à dépasser avec certitude, génie et Teeny, les frontières de la mort avec instantanéité. 9 mois après sa mort physique, il renaissait spirituellement par le biais d'une des œuvres les plus influentes du XXe siècle. Son emprise n'a pas fini d'exercer son pouvoir au XXIe siècle. En effet, au delà de l'Art, les 2 trous dans la porte, mettant le regardeur en position de voyeur, n'étaient rien d'autre que les prémices de ce qu'allait devenir l'Art ou les premiers fruits de grand n'importe quoi.
Plus ou Moins..............
ES NECESARIO UNA TRADUCCION AL CASTELLANO.
@Girl102Pixie Perhaps Duchamp and his followers were basically critics -- of art and of civilization. But their critiques were themselves acts of creation -- hence art of a type. Critiques Concrete?
@nikossyren88 "I THINK,ON SOME LEVEL,THAT IT'LL SHIFT BACK AGAIN TO IT'S ARTISAN ROOTS-OF CRAFT"
Oh God, I hope not!
artist as pointer? >>>>(U)
@Girl102Pixie Why should one regard ordinary life as "base?" And why should one place art on a pedestal above life? I think what Duchamp questions is the notion that art improves ordinary life --- in that Bourgeoise way of dignifying our walls and public spaces with decor of all kinds. If we want to elevate the ordinary, we need not to escape it or decorate it, but to see life in a new way -- a way that is beyond our prejudices --- and our tastes. Well, this is my understanding.
@Girl102Pixie I believe Duchamp deserves to be criticized in an authentic way --- that is, by those who have some notion of what he was up to. Ideals and beauty and importance and art: for him these were always questions to ask, rather than answers to promote. He asked the question, is there a difference between aesthetics and taste? If they are the same thing, that presents one kind of problem. If they are separate things, a whole different problem. What is your problem?
@SiriusRKW I thought about these things maybe when I was 4. There is no genius.
Dada was essentially about ethics and true morals, not totally nihilism.
At heart Duchamp, as with Hugo Ball, father of Dada, was trying to enlighten.
Try search London Dada..
@lloplop really? you feel Duchamp had no talent? explain please.
@BloatedSensations Why is that?... Just for the artist to be a more respectful role in society than the craftsman?...
Fnaf dyu dri n styifnna pr dyu tsi dri styifnna!
all it is is Transubstatiation: aka theRomaan-Catholic belief that when the priest says "this is my Body" & this is my blood" bread & wine become(literally) Christ's body & blood through the "power" of the priest,to the believer,it looks just-like bread & wine but is now a body & blood. all Duchamp did was to secularize-Transubstantiation,turning the "ART-WORLD" into a Faith-based-community.He is a public-relations genius & that is much of the 20th century.
@sheba021 "make large sums of money with very little effort." don't know what your talking about, most artists can't make a living out of their art.
Yes, Duchamp is indeed one of the most influential artists of all time. He showed a school of other largely talentless "artists" how to make large sums of money with very little effort.
der erste Antikünstler und Kunstbetrüger
the first anti-artist art fraud
On this days ART is Paint. If I make a piece of jewellery from a string of wire, that is not see as ART ! Why is that ?? Why people pay 1000£ for some paint and they do not give value for a piece of ART that come from the hands of a Craft man ? OH ! I know !! Crafts are not ART, Paint is ART... OR Do the Artists need to die to have some value in the ART he left ?? I think this all have to do with Elitism. DaDa-Project
no talent? it must be horrible to be so limited.
Utter BS